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An Unrestricted Look at Tuesday's Moves

Jason Reid takes an unrestricted look at a wild Tuesday while we wait for the locker room to open.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 15, 2008; 10:40 AM ET
 
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Posted by: kmichael76 | October 15, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

My streak of never having watched a vid intact.

Posted by: Gweez | October 15, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm with ya on "Restroom Stall Unrestricted," Gweez Skinz.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

DCSween - Get out of that SJKing urbandicionary.com BS. They are hardly ever accurate.

Gweez gave the right definition at the bottom of the previous thread.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I was sorta listening to the TV this morning while getting ready for work and could have sworn I heard the guy on sportsrise say that Reed Doughty was put on IR because his back problem was actually a cracked vertebrae and that he definitley needed to be out for the year, but I have heard/read nothing else that would support this? Anyone else heard anything?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 15, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Dealer (from last yarn) I agree I was siked and suprised by Marcus W's performance last week. I would love nothing more than to admit I was wrong on that one!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 15, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,

I myself have no doubt as to the validity of your sources at Redskin Park. Still, it is the journalist that decides which source's opinions he or she will choose to print, and with JLC, I always see opinions from sources who find the moves made by the front office to be dubious.

I'm glad that JLC lets us know if their are players unhappy or uncertain of the organizations moves or direction, but for every player who questions a decision made by upper management, how many are saying they felt the decision was reasonable? I rarely, if ever see these opinions in print...which is fine if there are no such opinions, which should absolutely then be a story in itself.

The objective in journalism is not supposed to be to simply ruffle feathers, or print the negative. Certainly negative storylines are flashier, and gather more attention, so I can totally understand how this happens - but true objective journalism is to print both sides of the issue; in this case, unnamed vets who find the roster moves made the other day questionable, and those (named or unnamed) who find them reasonable.

This approach gives us faithful (fanatical?) insider readers the whole story, and lets us come to our own conclusions regarding our front office's competence based on all the facts available.


Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Marcus is a consitent beast when healthy, dont quickly forget he has been our best and most consistant defender over the last 5 years.

Im down with Larry Michales, what a terrible job that would be. You get to talk delusional about how great the team you love is and get piad a bunch in the process, terrible.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 15, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this has already been covered, but Shaun Alexander is listed as jersey #35 on the Skins roster. Not the #37 jersey newly vacated by the unfortunate Mr. Doughty. Interesting. For those of us who care about these things, which I realize isn't all of us.

Also from the roster, this gives us two Shauns (Alexander and Suisham) and one Shawn (Springs). No Seans.

Also from the roster, a belated happy 24th birthday to LaRon Landry (10/14/84).

http://www.redskins.com/team/index.jsp?d-49681-o=2&d-49681-p=1&d-49681-s=1

(re-post)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

4th, I had misread ... I didn't get why you said we jocked on Vinny up here ... so I figured it had a different meaning ... before I figured out I misread your post. My bad.

Not only is this week NOT going to be a trap game, it is going to be a HEROIC game. Beating the Browns will, by extension, avenge the loss to the Giants.

Question: Any chance that Zorn copycats the Wildcat formation? And who would line up as QB? I say Portis. He could either pass (like a regular QB) or run up the middle (like a regular Portis) or run a draw up the middle ... pump faking and handing off to himself.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Frank Herzog rules
laRRY miCHaels drulz

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Let's try that again...

Frank Herzog rulz
laRRY miCHaels drulz

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor will be a redskin for all time Nate.

Also we now have 2 Alexanders, last name, and one Alex (Buzbee)

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Im still waiting to see a double set wildcat formation. CP26 and ARE, endless possibilites. Plus the QB becomes a blocker, JC could blow some people up...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 15, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I just executed a picture-perfect Wildcat play at the coffee machine -- textbook pump fake, juked the lady next to me right out of her shoes. Coffee everywhere. First down... back at my desk. *sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

lmao @ Nate!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad that JLC lets us know if their are players unhappy or uncertain of the organizations moves or direction, but for every player who questions a decision made by upper management, how many are saying they felt the decision was reasonable? I rarely, if ever see these opinions in print...

Posted by: shaunsherman12

As I remember from my cognitive science class in college, one of the basic theories about the human thought process is that "losses loom larger than gains".

You don't remember the positives because the positives don't stand out to you. You remember the negatives because they DO stand out. There are numerous, numerous times when JLC himself gives heaping praise to the team, and when he finds guys that give positive remarks about the team and its players. It seems like most of the "haters" only comment on the negative posts, without taking into account his entire body of work.

Posted by: psps23 | October 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Everytime I hear about the 'Wildcat' I think about Ertha Kitt...

Perhaps we could develop the 'Cougar' set..

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

classic nate....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Question: Any chance that Zorn copycats the Wildcat formation? And who would line up as QB? I say Portis. He could either pass (like a regular QB) or run up the middle (like a regular Portis) or run a draw up the middle ... pump faking and handing off to himself.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:02 AM

If we did, I see ARE getting the Snaps and there being no other QB on the field........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The Sourcererer strikes again. We are into the season now! Draft picks and free agents DON'T MATTER!!! Who ever can help the team plays!! Lets cut a defensive end for a safety? What kind of since is that?

Jason Lockenfatter the Sourcererer stikes again!

Posted by: punchdaclock | October 15, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

was that some rant by Larry that I missed.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

BTW start voting for the pro-bowl kids

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

But Nate, did you manage to get the last maple donut?

Posted by: daggar | October 15, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Cindy posted some comments about the wildcat and Zorn over the weekend. He said he would look at it in the offseason.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 15, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

You guys continue to miss the point on JLC. Its his job to either laud or criticize, not be a vanilla fan, repeated "Yeah Redskins" posts and articles wouldn't give us much to talk about. Most people on here hate and criticize the fact that almost every other media outlet is owned or bribed by the Danny and doesn't give a fair assessment of what's going on, and hate Larry Michael cause he has lost all ability to do anything but suck up to Ashburn. JLC has rightly lauded the Springs, Fletcher, Smoot, and Griffen signings. He questioned the Brooks decision at the end of the preseason and was right, he questioned the Arch deluxe signing and was right, he got on the Lloyd move and was right, he questioned the Ducket move and was right, the Taylor move is looking pretty dubious as is Vinny's entire draft while Zorn is looking like an incredible hire and he is praising that. That's kinda his job, point out the good and the bad, the problem is FO personnel choices for the last oh I don't know 15 years have been more misses than hits, and the hits that have happened, while great, don't negate the misses. Look at last weeks posts, almost all were extremely positive, cause um we won 4 in a row, now they have been a little more negative, cause um, we lost a home game to a winless team and a draft pick and dubious decision played a big role in that loss (Brooks) and we are yet to see any production what-so-ever from 3 2nd round picks. That deserves some criticism. Go to Reddskins.com and watch Larry if all you want is how everything is wonderful Redskins reporting. I for one appreciate the info JLC gives and the criticism when its deserved which has been pretty often with the franchise for years. Stop accepting mediocrity and stupidity from this front office!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

me three! i kinda sorta wanted to stay on the other/last post...my way of civil disobedience...

alex, no...it's one of those RI chants/waves we have up here. one says "LM" then everyone else says "sucks!" and we move on...just like a successful wave you have to judge the mood of the stadium before you start it...

what were we talking about? ohh yeah...so like i was watching oprah last night and everyone MUST start buying cage free eggs/hens so the prices of cage free eggs go down and everyone starts to raise hens cage free...

i used to have hens when i was a kid...we used to throw them off the roof and they can kinda/sorta fly...they never got hurt. fun times!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

See, that's why we lok bad on our end of the argument.....

But he is right. Draft picks don't matter right now, and I highly doubt that Vinny kept all of his picks originally because he was afraid of being criticized.

I don't think they would have cut Rob Jackson, because I'm sure someone else would have picked im up before he even made it back to the practice squad.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Wildcat formation. Cobra package.

Sounds much scarier, faster, meaner, and more aggressive than what we had before.

Jumbo package.

[Other than Portis or ARE, the other obvious Wildcat QB would have to be ... wait for it ... Lorenzo Alexander ... the ORIGINAL Alexander. That would be called Jumbo Wildcat ... or maybe just Sabretooth.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

i wrote a long post with big words and loosable type ate it. :(

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Also, this ain't politics. Investigative reporting not needed on the NFL Beat.

Go to the METRO section for that......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Well said jack.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

daggar, that's part of the reason I'm playing with fire today... I was out sick on Friday and missed donut day! So I am running a severe maple deficit right now.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And for this we are thankful.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"dubious as is Vinny's entire draft"

Yup, you can judge a draft after 6 games, no doubt.

Or, the general rule of thumb is 3 years, but 6 games, 3 years, all the same.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 11:27 AM

Classic case of unbalanced objectivity......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

4th,

Sadly I think Jason does more in depth investigation than most our political reporters. And I think he knows more about football and other sports than many political reporters understand politics.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I thought the fabled donuts were maple-bacon-flavored. [Yes, maple-bacon ... if there ever was a need for an ideal in donuts, its maple-bacon.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I agree with SMACK1.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

cL, he was looking pretty bad this season. and all of a sudden he had a lil explosion...

jasno, can you find out what was wrong with MW and what went right for him this past week?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

EWE!!!!!!!!!!!! @ sween!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"dubious as is Vinny's entire draft"

Yup, you can judge a draft after 6 games, no doubt.

Or, the general rule of thumb is 3 years, but 6 games, 3 years, all the same.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

By week 6 you should have some production from 3 2nd round picks. Of course the jury is out on the overall state of the draft picks, but when you had contributions from only 1 pick and a late rounder at that when you had 4 first day picks, that aint good, spin it any way you want to, and I agree that in a couple years we will know for sure whether they were good picks or not, but regardless it is no stretch to say that to date our draft has been a major disappointment. Time will only tell if that is the final word or not.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

6 games dude, thats all that it has been. 6 games. Take a look at Limas Sweed, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson, Mario Manningham, are they all dubious picks??

Wide outs take time to grasp the pro game, but as you stated, spin it any way you want.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

psps23,

I agree completely that JLC gives praise where it is due concerning the efforts of the team and its individual players. The last few weeks have shown that in spades. My concern is his objectivity concerning the front office, and my orginal post was concerning Cindy's defense of the Post's sources, which I felt sidestepped the real issue.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/10/larry_michaels_latest_target_i.html

Speaking of the crazy gomba of the skins.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:42 AM

This one isn't that bad. Larry M was called out, so he is just mentioning it. When you have a daily half hour show that you are the executive producer of, you can use your show to rant against anyone who uses your name in vain.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 15, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

alex, for the record i never read that. wow! just wow!!!! why does he(LM) have a job??????????????????????

and dan forgot the odds for cindy boren.

cindy boren: 4/1. she's the one that tells the jasons what to do/say/write. you betcha! ;)

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Beantown,

You nailed it. MOST Wr's don't contribute much in their first seasons, unless they are:

A. Very special, or
B. Pressed into service.

DeSean Jackson is a perfect example of a WR who is pretty good....but whose stats are inflated because he's pressed into service.

The Redskins have the luxury of being able to compete without throwing the majority of their class into the fire, so to speak. That's a good thing, and it speaks to the talent level or our veterans - veterans whom this front office helped acquire.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think its a little extreme to criticize the on field performance and overall production at this point in their careers. But you do have to wonder about that injury and lack of off the field work that seems to be going on.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The maple bacon donuts are sold by local purveyor Voodoo Doughnut, which sadly is not the supplier for our office's Friday donut hauls.

But the other place makes a fantastic maple bar, which is like a little dough mattress with a fitted sheet of delicious maple goo.

Bacon is good... wonder where I can get some bacon right about now? Hmm...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more that 6 games does not a draft decide...but I am very concerned about Malcolm Kelly's health. It is never a good sign when a 21 yr old kid's having his knee drained regularly, especially when he's not even exerting himself much. I think they have to PUP him, explore all options (surgery, rehab, fire watcher, etc) and let him try to learn the offense from the sideline.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't watch much comcast sports net, what exactly was said? I just think its odd that Larry comes off convinced that JLC is running some vast WaPo conspiracy against him.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Nate inthePDX:

We apologize for the recent posts of NateinthePDX. Those who have been found responsible for these posts, have been sacked.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Eddie Royal is starting for Denver, according to the WP depth chart, so it stands to reason that he's caught more passes. I also believe that Desean Jackson is starting for Philly with Curtis out, so it again stands to reason that he's going to have better stats.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Hold on, hold on... some cognitive dissonance happening here, that even bacon talk hasn't managed to beat back... just want to get this straight... so we all pretty much agree that the jury is and should be still out on the kid WRs, but that the same standard does not and should not apply to the kid punter?

Something about the solitary/critical nature of the punter position, which absolutely has to be at least medium or else is a massive liability? And that makes it a quicker grading curve than other positions? And with far less tolerance for egregious errors?

I think we're all in agreement on this, as usual, so I'll just leave that Obvious observation and see myself out...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought u can only PUP in the beginning of the year.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Yeah,

Malcolm Kelly probably needs to be considered a wash for this year, and get that knee all the way back during the coming offseason.

It doesn't look like there will be much time for him to contribute at this point, and if the knee is going to be chronic for the year, it's best to see if they can get it back to 100% (hopefully, they can).

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

...or is anyone lamenting the ignominious dismissal of the kid punter, saying he got the hook too soon?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 15, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

6 games dude, thats all that it has been. 6 games. Take a look at Limas Sweed, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson, Mario Manningham, are they all dubious picks??

Wide outs take time to grasp the pro game, but as you stated, spin it any way you want.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, for every wideout that it takes a long time to grasp being an NFL guy there are ones that "grasp" it right away. Colston, Boldin, Fitz, Plax, Marshall, Bowe, Harrison, Wayne, to an esxtent Eddie Royal & Desean Jackson, and on and on, there are undrafted guys who make an impact right away, but we didn't just miss on a WR we have missed on two WR to date and TE. Say what you want, but Kelly fell on everybody's boards cause of questions about his speed and his knee, we took him anyway and he's out with a bad knee, Thomas fell down everyone's boards because he had all the talent in the world physically but was a 1 year starter who people question how quickly he'd be ready and we took him anyway with the party line that this immediately upgrades our receiving core and he can't beat out Thrash, we took a TE in the second freaking round despite having a pro bowl TE (3rd round pick btw) and that second round pick can't get on the field cause Todd freaking Yoder is that much better than him? No offense to Todd, I like him and all, but he shouldn't be able to hold off a second round pick for a week much less half a season. Of course, there is time to turn it around, if Kelly gets healthy and Thomas gets a brain and Davis gets whatever it is that is seperating he and Yoder right now which is supposedly blocking even though I've seen Yoder whiff several times this year (one for a sack in the STL game) then sure, it will look like a good draft. But three 2nd round picks should give you something immediately, we've gotten nothing. That is a disappointment and right now everybody just has their fingers crossed that it gets better.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It just dosent look good when u draft a tight end because he is the best available player onthe board, and dont use him cause you have a pro bowler there. Then your #1 wr taken has as many penalties as catches and your #2 wr is getting his knee drained constantly after having ever fiber in his body injured from running windsprints in shorts and ts.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 15, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

I think the difference is you only have one punter, he HAS to contribute, and his contributions, bad or good, are very material. You can hold depth position guys on the bench without neccessarily hurting yourself.

For what it's worth, I had hoped they would IR him...if they felt they had sufficient spots left on the IR to do so, since I still feel like the kid could be a great punter once he gets his confidence back.

If he clears waivers, I hope they IR him, since the current punter won't be the long term answer in all probability.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Colston, Boldin, Fitz, Plax, Marshall, Bowe, Harrison, Wayne

zj, how many of those guys STARTED right away??

I'd venture to guess that the MAJORITY of them did.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Stu, who did the Cowboys draft with their first pick?? Felix Jones

Who plays RB for the Cowboys?? Marion Barber

Did he make the pro-bowl last year?? Yup

Did they make a mistake too?? What about when the Giants took Matthias Kiwanuka, when they already had Osi, and Strahan?? What about when the Patriots drafted Daniel Graham, and then the next year drafted Ben Watson, same thing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Beantown:

All of them did.

Bowe is a very good case in point: is he good? Yeah, I think so - I think the Chiefs did right by themselves in drafting him. However, how many people know that he has been targeted by his QB's FAR MORE times than any other WR in the league?

If we threw to Devin Thomas 15 times a game, would he produce anything?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know who will be the holder for placekicking? Plackemeier, at 6' 3" and 247 lb does not appear to be the prototype nimble flexible person for this task. What about giving Colt Brennan a shot at this? That might give us a nice pass option alternative. That's the way Joe Theisman started contributing in his early years. Glad that Durant will be kept if he passes waiver. With some mind reset, he still may justify the draft pick.

Posted by: northvajim1 | October 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Colston, Boldin, Fitz, Plax, Marshall, Bowe, Harrison, Wayne

zj, how many of those guys STARTED right away??

I'd venture to guess that the MAJORITY of them did.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah they did, and that was the point of this draft so we were told, the supposed strategy was take Thomas and Kelly one of which would start opposite Moss and move ARE back to the slot where he belongs. Instead it turns out one is hurt with an injury that scared a lot of other teams away and the other isn't ready to play which is what scared a lot of other teams. That aint good....and Davis was a high draft pick supposed to provide us with two threats at TE immediately and he can't beat out Yoder....that aint good. And drafting 3 players in the second round with the hope that maybe only one in the near future becomes a starter aint good strategy either.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 15, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So begins the great debate...Paulescu vs. Plackemeier. Another historic chapter in the history of these two franchises. Bet you my new boy outkicks yours, or at least has more opportunities.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

And drafting 3 players in the second round with the hope that maybe only one in the near future becomes a starter aint good strategy either.

Whose strategy was this?? Who, where did you read this?? Either provide a link, copy and paste, or you're full of shti.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | October 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Sadly I think Jason does more in depth investigation than most our political reporters. And I think he knows more about football and other sports than many political reporters understand politics.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 15, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

4th,
Sadly I think you don't know what you're talking about. When was the last time that Jason Reid had an original thought, a point of view that was new? He can cover game day articles or injuries, but anybody can. Listen to what he says and trust me, it's all been covered before he says it.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Those guys were catching balls and making plays as rookies because they were good, and as a result of being good, they were starting.

They were not catching balls and making plays because they were starting, and as a result became good. It doesn't work that way.

Say what you want about potential for the future, that sure is still out there, but for right now our 2nd rounders are extremely underwhelming. That really can't be argued.

Posted by: psps23 | October 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

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