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An Unrestricted Look Back

Jason Reid looks back at the season that was.

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Feel like chatting today? I'm up at 11 a.m. for the usual Monday morning postgame post mortem.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 29, 2008; 9:36 AM ET
 
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Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Miami had 27 new players on there team in one year, and went from 1-15 to 11-5, big time change can happen when you have a guy willing to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

That's what Jasno did in his column this morning. He said that Gibbs built a win-now team, trading off the future. It was a good column he wrote.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

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Which is precisely why this past offseason was (is) so important. At least Gibbs had a plan as to where he wanted this team to go. Vinny doesn't strike me in that way.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Zcabe,

Just said the offense was high schoolish.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think since the season has ended, the people on the keep Marcus Mason bandwagon was right.

And the people who didn't hop on wish they had...........

(In addition I wanted totrade Betts last year when he had more value.......)

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

(In addition I wanted totrade Betts last year when he had more value.......)

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 9:49 AM |

I would agree with that, he has no value now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

There were people not on the Mason wagon?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

al, not on the mason bandwagon, call me when he actually carries the ball in a real NFL game.

Betts was mis-used all season long. He should have been carrying the ball more since the start of the season, and they should have been throwing him the ball more as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I think since the season has ended, the people on the keep Marcus Mason bandwagon was right.

How do you figure? He couldn't crack the depth chart here...was picked up by NYJ and couldn't crack the chart there...

No one else has picked him up. There's nothing to "Keep." We can just "bring him back" this offseason if we need to.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Man the guys on 980 hate Zorn and Campbell. You can see where the haters get their material from.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

ok, even if Mason stayed here, he'd have been the third string, right? How many carries was he going to get?? People need to get over the fascination with a guy who has never carried the ball in a regular season NFL game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Man the guys on 980 hate Zorn and Campbell. You can see where the haters get their material from.

Posted by: alex35332"

My hate for Zorn has nothing to do with 980. That comes purely from the heart.

(Alright, "hate" is a strong word. Let's use "severely disapprove".)

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg - Going down with the ship? It's not his fault that no one gave him an opportunity.

Again, here are my examples:

* ahmad (4th) Bradshaw
* Ryan Grant
* I forgot the rest.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

And apparently no one has noticed it.
Thanks.

Posted by: dwyersteve | December 29, 2008 9:52 AM |

No one noticed it because yesterday was an exibition game that counts against the standings. We had no shot of the playoffs going in, and don't give me carry over nothing carries over in the NFL there is to much change for a win or loss at the end of the season to matter next year.

We should have played all the young guys against a pretty good team, to see what they could do. Instead we saw the same old crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Nail on the head Jason Reid. We can talk about free agent signings and draft picks 'till we're blue in the face but until the brains behind the decision to guarantee Portis' contract through 2010 are out of the picture, this team will continue to flail. I hope Snyder has a lot of fun playing GM because he's doing at the expense of the Redskins.

Posted by: tbenderbender | December 29, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, he was on the Redskins, Ravens, and Jets teams this year.

But no one has given him a chance???

Right.....all 3 teams must have just misjudged him......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the sentiments that we should have played younger guys, why not inactivate Thrash or Springs or whoever you don't think is coming back.

BTW, with all his talk Springs sounded like he is not coming back next season. If I am a coach and hear a player talk like that I don't put him in a game because what does he have to play for?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Betts was mis-used all season long. He should have been carrying the ball more since the start of the season, and they should have been throwing him the ball more as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this. He's being paid like a starting RB and he's proven when given enough carries he plays like one. In addition he's a great pass catcher as well. They should trade him to a team that runs the WCO because i think he'd be fantastic in that offense....oh right..

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason
Colt Brennan
Leigh Torrence

all suck, sorry folks

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't see why everyone is so up in arms expecting some rookies to turn our season around????

Malcom Kelly was injured and missed valuable learning time during training camp and during the season. No way you can/should expect him to contribute of any importance the 1st year. No Way.

And no way you should have put him on IR. If you put him on IR, then he wouldn't have been able to practice. So, even though he wasn't able to get in the game, he got valuable practice reps during the season. We have 8 people you MUST deactivate each and every game. He was just one of those guys, like Rinehart and Rob Jackson. MK12 just has a bigger name and expectations...........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"but until the brains behind the decision to guarantee Portis' contract through 2010 are out of the picture, this team will continue to flail.

Posted by: tbenderbender"

Guaranteeing a contract until a guy in his prime reaches the age of 29 is not a bad move.

Having a highly paid offensive line with all the starters over 30, having 10 draft picks, then deciding that only 1 of them should be used for grooming their replacements IS a bad move. (Not to mention, extending the contract of your 32 year-old, past-his-prime, hasn't been healthy in 4 years, weakest part of the o-line right tackle)

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I did not expect any one player to turn around our season, but everyone you listed should have played yesterday in a meaningless game.

Why would you play people you pretty much know are not going to be on the team anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to note that because we lost, we are sitting at #13 in the draft. If we had won, I was told we would have drafted #19 in the draft.

The trade value chart says #13 in the first is worth #1 and #2 in the 2nd.

Detroit Lions have a late 1st rounder (from Cowgirls) and the first in the 2nd. That might be a stretch, but if they go with Stafford or Bradford with the first overall and they want a stud LT to go along with him, they just MIGHT want to trade up to get one.

and PS how have we all not laughed at the Cowgirls yet? I mean seriously.

Seriously!?!


I mean, seriously! I didn't have the Skins game here so I was pissed to be watching the Girls\Eagles, but at the end of the first half I had forgotten all about my pitiful Redskins and was laughing at the Cowgirls like it was the first time I ever saw Caddyshack.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Vinny must, but won't go. This team has been screaming for a vision and coherent strategy since Casserly left. If you don't see that, well I have this great investor Madoff I'd love for you to talk to....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Mangini, Marinelli, and Crennel all out. Ahh, Black Monday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Malcom Kelly was injured and missed valuable learning time during training camp and during the season. No way you can/should expect him to contribute of any importance the 1st year. No Way.

Posted by: DaReal4th"

How is that an appropriate excuse? The guy was drafted KNOWINGLY with that risk. Just because that risk came to fruition does not give the FO a free pass on drafting him.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

So who is the first round pick?

a lineman who can both run and pass block...?

a running back with breakaway speed...?

a linebacker who can cover...?

a speedy special teamer/wideout...?


And do you burn the third round picks on the dreaded 'best-player-availiable' or go for more needs...?

Should a free agent q-back be brought in...?

Should the q-back position be a one-sided competition or a coronation...?


We can answer all of these questions in our own ways, but until a GM/talent-Czar is hired, the Skins just a dog chasing its own tail.

The off-season is going to to be massively interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Mangini, Marinelli, and Crennel all out. Ahh, Black Monday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 10:15 AM |

Brown,

They are just starting, I would say probably 5 more get canned by the end of the week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

TheTruth - I was UPSET I had the Redskins game and not the Girls/Eagles Game. And got even more upset when they would show the game break and updates of that game.........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

From Mangenius to Mangidiot.....do you theink he regrets naming his new son "Brett" now? (Actually it was the middle name...but you smell what I am laying down.)


Oh beantown...baby is great...gettin her smile/giggle on which is good times all around.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Truth - thats true on paper, but no team would ever make that trade.

NYG, NE and Miami all have 2 late 2nd rounders though -- I am hoping they may be interested in a trade and that Duke Robinson and Unger/Mack are still there for us....

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Can we draft a new GM with the 13th pick?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Smart teams create systems that "produce" good running backs, good receivers, etc. Denver had a string of very good running backs. The Giants make even their third string backs look good. Smart teams create systems where the player is not greater than the position. If that player goes down the next in line fills in with but a small qualitative loss, (Patriots qb position). Smart teams look at the team as a whole concept, the individuals contribute in ways that make the sum of all their efforts greater than just individual statistics. Smart teams staff their team with players who are able to contribute and when given the chance are more than ready.

The defense of the Redskins is closer to becoming a "smart team" than the offense is. (It is probably 50% there.) The offense is a product of all the dumb things that a team can do. (That is worthy of a whole new post).

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

And do you burn the third round picks on the dreaded 'best-player-availiable' or go for more needs...?

Should a free agent q-back be brought in...?

Should the q-back position be a one-sided competition or a coronation...?


We can answer all of these questions in our own ways, but until a GM/talent-Czar is hired, the Skins just a dog chasing its own tail.

The off-season is going to to be massively interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2008 10:17 AM |

Why are you people under the impression that we have two third round picks, was there some trade I am unaware of. Did you get that from that tool Periculum don't listen to that idiot.

We have 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 6th thats it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Look, maybe we could have gotten more out of our rookies, but II haven't seen too much creativity out of our offensive coordinator......

It's a two-way street. And Kelly had a hamstring or groin tear intially in training camp that was unrelated to the knee. His knee became an issue when they decided to clean up his kneee when he really didn't need to...

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Can we draft a new GM with the 13th pick?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

You get Madoff to be Snyder's Investment manager and I'll take a trip to Boston and beg Peoli to come be the GM

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The Lions will always be a joke.

LIONS PROMOTE LEWAND, MAYHEW
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 10:23 a.m. EST
On the day that the Lions fired coach Rod Marinelli, the team also rewarded two men who are inextricably linked with the embarrassing failures of the franchise over the past eight seasons.

Tom Lewand has been promoted from COO to President, and Martin Mayhew has been given the permanent position of General Manager.

The team also announced that defensive coordinator Joe Barry has been terminated, and that offensive coordinator Jim Colletto has been reassigned to offensive line coach.

Elsewhere, secondary coach Jimmy Kaye and assistant offensive line coach Mike Barry have been released, and defensive line coach Joe Cullen’s contract will not be renewed. Also, assistant director of pro personnel Dave Boller won’t be retained.

So, basically, not much is changing in Motown. To the ongoing delight of Packers, Bears, and Vikings fans.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The team is at its core mediocre with the chance to grab a wildcard spot. The right coach could get the team to 10 wins.

The coaching search was a debacle that produced and reinforced a completely dysfunctional structure.

We are fans, we hoped, looked on the bright side, rooted for players, were excited by wins. But this franchise is a joke. All you have to do is look at every other team that had HC changes last year. Quiet, measured, in concert with structural changes in management. The Skins....an unholy mess of a clusterfcuk that was more tabloid than strategic. Look at the coaches who rankled at the situations.

We hired assistants before HC, we mandated what players to use, we wanted a coach to fit preexisting philosophies, based the person on who SnyderCerrato thought they could boss around.

They should have said to Spagnola, hey man its your gig, set up your staff and we will get out of your way.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

better remedies..

Trade our '09 first and third round picks for 3 second rounders.

Take the 3 second rounder picks and trade for 3 older pro bowler caliber players.

Use our remaining late picks on receivers, dbacks and a kicker or punter.

Promote Vinny to President of the Redskins.

Make Vinny Cerato's show a daily one, with acts and live entertainment. Make Sally Jenkins and Lavar Arrington the co hosts.

Increase ticket prices to finance a new and larger stadium.

Have the Redskins buy all the fan websites, Comcast, and 6 more radio stations, so that fans can get fresh news and insights on the skins realtime.

Use RFK for next years training camp and set aside an area for VIP Parking and auto detailing.

Posted by: guruvinny | December 29, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"And Kelly had a hamstring or groin tear intially in training camp that was unrelated to the knee. His knee became an issue when they decided to clean up his kneee when he really didn't need to...

Posted by: DaReal4th"

When you have serious injury problems, particularly in the knees, everything is related. The hamstring or groin injury may not have been the knee itself, but I'd be 90% sure that the knee contributed to it (due to compensation, muscle imbalances, etc.).

And certainly I agree with you regarding the offensive coordinator/head coach aspect of it. They definitely did not help. Just remember that they too were the personal choice of Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

With the 13th pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select The Truth, GM, out of Redskins Insider.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Betts was mis-used all season long. He should have been carrying the ball more since the start of the season, and they should have been throwing him the ball more as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this. He's being paid like a starting RB and he's proven when given enough carries he plays like one. In addition he's a great pass catcher as well. They should trade him to a team that runs the WCO because i think he'd be fantastic in that offense....oh right..

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:07 AM |

Would it really have made a difference? He's not a gamebreaker. He's never had a run longer than 30 yds (actually 27 yds) in his entire career. What difference would have made if he caught more screens or passes short of the line to gain?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

They should have said to Spagnola, hey man its your gig, set up your staff and we will get out of your way.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I heard from people in the know inside the Redskins organization that he Spagnolo had some serious character flaws. The two most damaging being a Free Will and inability to put a large paycheck above all else.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Miami had 27 new players on there team in one year, and went from 1-15 to 11-5, big time change can happen when you have a guy willing to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21

It would be a worthy endeavor to analyze exactly how they did this. What was their existing contract structure? How many draft picks were available? How much money was allotted for free agents? What percentage of draft picks have contributed in a meaningful way to the team's success this year? What percentage of recent draft picks are on the starting roster? How did they change the coaching staffs--wholesale slaughter or cherry picking? How much power does Parcell's have and what are his duties? Does the owner interfere at all in the operation and personell selections of the players? What was the philosophy in the personell hires of the new coaches? What principles in the organization are firm and applied up and down the organizational structure? What is the overall morale of the team--why?

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Vinny says he's looking to trade down. This would be a good move. The players he picks, may not be such a good move. Vinny is going to be here for the fore-seeable future, so I just sit back and hope he makes some better moves (with my teeth clenched and fingers crossed).

What would it take for Snyder to get rid of/replace Cerrato? Discuss.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | December 29, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Would it really have made a difference? He's not a gamebreaker. He's never had a run longer than 30 yds (actually 27 yds) in his entire career. What difference would have made if he caught more screens or passes short of the line to gain?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse


1. Taken pressure off Campbell by mitigating the passrush with screens.

2. Helped Campbell get into a rhythm.

3. Lessened the wear and tear on Portis.

4. Given opposing teams one more thing to worry about.

5. Opened up the underneath for Cooley by making the opposing defense account for Betts a legitimate pass catcher.

6. Made it harder to double team Moss and Cooley.

or maybe it would have done none of those things. Just a comment. Clearly not having him involved didn't help.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

What would it take for Snyder to get rid of/replace Cerrato? Discuss.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz
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Destroy the negatives Vinny must have of Snyder and the cheerleaders. I can't fathom why else he's still here.

There's not another team in the league that would hire Cerrato, the fans hate him, he's made some of the worst picks and trades that should have had him packing years ago.

But Danny loves him.....

Posted by: guruvinny | December 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Flounder

A typo is what it is.

'third round picks' and 'best player availiable' don't agree

I know we only have four picks...

I also know that in some earlier posts, the idea to trade players of value to secure more picks was floated, and when I dropped player numbers #47 and #89, I was mocked.

To me, the idea is a no brainer...

I'd take a sal cap hit if it meant I could get two picks for one guy.

And if I trade both guys--again, if it's possible--and wind up with four picks, that'd give me 8 picks in this draft.

I'd get 4 lineman, a back, a speedy punt returner, and a linebacker.

I'd bring in Derrick Ward and play a rotation of three backs: Portis-Ward-Betts

I'd open up the q-back competition as Campbell just isn't an accurate thrower- the o-line has nothing to do with never hitting a receiver in stride

Now laugh at that....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

beeps ya'll!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

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