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Analysis: Redskins' interview is bit of a Gray area

The widely-held belief around Redskins Park seems to be that no head coaching change will happen before Sunday's Chargers' game. But keep your eyes and ears open Sunday night and all day Monday. By this point, any name other than Mike Shanahan's would be a big surprise to people across the league.

So we'll likely be talking plenty more about a new coach this week and next, but right now, most of the Redskins' head coaching news seems to revolve around secondary coach Jerry Gray. As with so many things, it's not nearly as simple as it should be.
Gray has muddled the situation with explanations that have ranged from unclear to contradictory. He has yet to clearly confirm or deny that he interviewed for Jim Zorn's job. To make this as simple as possible, let's review what we do know:

  • Gray has denied to friends and colleagues that he interviewed for the job, according to multiple sources;
  • John Wooten, the president of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, the group in charge of monitoring diversity hiring in the NFL, said he spoke with Gray, and Gray confirmed that he interviewed for Zorn's job. Furthermore, Gray spoke at length and described to Wooten the interview process, the questions that were asked and the Redskins' officials who participated in the interview sessions. Defensive coordinator Greg Blache also vouched for the process, according to Wooten.
  • Gray has urged reporters to go directly to the source for information, yet alternately refuses to answer questions about the head coaching job or dances around them.

Before we leap to any conclusions -- and spoiler alert: there will be no final conclusion in this post -- let's review Gray's most recent comments. Here's what he said to NBC4's Lindsay Czarniak on Monday:

"I haven't talked to Fritz Pollard, I haven't talked to NFL, I haven't talked with [league spokesman] Greg Aiello. ... To me, I think again, we got to see. And that's the thing."

Before we go through the rest of the quote, let's point out that no one suspected Gray spoke with Pollard, the NFL's first African-American coach who died in 1986. But if he meant he never spoke with a representative from the Fritz Pollard Alliance, that's especially interesting because Wooten, the group's president, is quite certain he spoke with Gray. His conversations with Gray convinced Wooten that the Redskins' interest in Gray was legitimate and he's a serious contender to be this team's next head coach.

(And let's dismiss the possibility that Gray simply didn't know what the Fritz Pollard Alliance is; every black assistant in the league who has aspirations of being a head coach is very familiar with the Fritz Pollard Alliance.)

Okay, more Gray:

"I don't want to sit here and throw the Redskins under the bus, I don't want to throw Jerry under the bus. I don't want to do any of that stuff."

Let's interrupt the quote one more time. If we're to parse words, how is confirming that he interviewed for a job throwing a team under the bus? Or throwing himself under the bus? Perhaps Gray doesn't want to admit to interviewing for a position while Zorn is still coaching, but it's not clear how he'd be throwing the organization under the bus by merely confirming or denying that he interviewed. Perhaps he doesn't want to share the news that the Redskins might be trying to replace Zorn.

More from Gray:

"What we want to do is really win. Like I said, there are a lot of distractions out there. But to me, I think it's how you handle the distractions that will get you where you want to go."

At the very least, no one is going accuse Gray of handling this one in any manner that limits the distractions the team, its players and its coaches have been dealing with.

After her interview, Czarniak spoke with Wooten, and he repeated what he told the Washington Post and other outlets earlier in the day: Gray told him that he interviewed for the Redskins' head coaching job, which seems to contradict this part of Gray's comment to Czarniak: "I haven't talked to Fritz Pollard."

Czarniak ended her report by saying that Gray later texted her, saying he wasn't certain that Wooten was a representative of the Fritz Pollard Alliance.

So the possibilities seem simple: Either Gray did interview for the job and the Redskins have complied with the Rooney rule, as the Fritz Pollard Alliance contends. Or he didn't interview.

And if that's the case, the question then becomes, Why would did Gray tell the Fritz Pollard Alliance that he did interview?

By Rick Maese  |  December 29, 2009; 9:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

alex, red is a dolphins fan.

but i wish it was burgandy and not red (of ***skins). :) what can i say, i have a soft spot for the natives...i just love their casinos and their locations. if the white man wasn't around i wouldn't have to drive 3 hours to go to a casino. it'd be like 7-11...casino on every corner! not to mention legal, homegrown, organic pot. we'd be one with nature a la AVATAR. world/america would just be better.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Why not hire Jerry Gray?

He knows the team.

The FO whiffed and passed on Grilliams, let's promote from within this time.

Jerry Gray is more qualified to be a head coach than Jim Zorn was when he got hired.

So give the job to Gray.

And let's stop making this a black and white issue.

'Cuz it's all about qualifications and ability.

And Jerry has them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

moe, no thanks on Gray, I've only seen regression in the defensive backfield, I've only seen CR be unable to defend a double move for YEARS now, I've only seen excuses, and not accountability from Landry, Rogers, while under Gray's watch....sorry, no thanks to that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

It's all so perfectly clear now. Either Gray has some serious dementia going on or he's a flat-out liar.

Posted by: NCICURN | December 29, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Why is this newsworthy?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

It appears very possible that John Fox will stay in Carolina. Does this make Bill Cowher a possibility??

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 29, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

SO Gray mis-lead the media. Whoopety-doo.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I have an idea, why can't the Washington Post hire a reporter to cover the Redskins. NBC spoon fed this story to you. You are too busy repeating the same rumors that every one else is reporting. It is at the point where the Washington Post reports speculation by talk radio and the talk radio is owned by Dan Snyder. Jason you are a joke. How did NBC get it and you are sitting on your hands. How did NBC get the statistic that the REdskins are the third lowest scoring team of the decade. I think this is called a pattern and it would be nice to have a reporter that could discuss facts and not repeat what Steve Czaben is talking about. Is there an editor at the Washington Post? At least you do not have a columnist on the Snyder payroll? Say it Jerry Gray lied. He interviewed for the job. The fact is that Dan Snyder used Jerry Gray like a cheap hooker. What kind of a jerk would do that? Dan Snyder. Why do you think that the Redskins offense is worse than any other team in the NFL except Cleveland and Detroit. Hint it is the offensive line. Who is running this team. It is not Bruce Allen. It is not Vinny Cerrato. It never has been. It is Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder does not care about anything but himself. JERK.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | December 29, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

It's all so perfectly clear now. Either Gray has some serious dementia going on or he's a flat-out liar.

Posted by: NCICURN


*GASP*

Wow-wee!!!

Huh? A pro coach lying about team affairs?

Whatever, nothing new or to see here...

Coaching is synonymous with lying.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Why not hire Jerry Gray?

He knows the team.

The FO whiffed and passed on Grilliams, let's promote from within this time.

Jerry Gray is more qualified to be a head coach than Jim Zorn was when he got hired.

So give the job to Gray.

And let's stop making this a black and white issue.

'Cuz it's all about qualifications and ability.

And Jerry has them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:23 AM

I agree Gray should be in the mix, but I have some reservations...If Gray can't handle the PR of his apparently interviewing for the HC job now, what makes us think he can handle all the other types of in-season issues that emerge every season for every team? He seems pretty ham-fisted in his dealings on this one.

And before all the Colt-and-Patriot slobberers come out of the woodwork to say that the best teams don't have distractions during the season like the Redskins do, lay down the crackpipe and read on:

Patriots: the Randy Moss quitting in-game controversy this year. The spygate issue from two years ago.

Colts: Dungy's son committing suicide. This year, the controversy this past Sunday over pulling starters and losing the game, ruining a bid for a perfect season.

There seem to be fewer of these kinds of issues on other teams this season, true...and these in-season issues are not all the same at all. But the point is that problems arise and tragedies occur every season for all teams, and I am not convinced that Gray has the seasoning to effectively deal with this type of thing after watching him flail over admitting to interviewing for Zorn's job.

Posted by: hithere1 | December 29, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I agree the interview was a sham for one reason:

He didn't interview with Bruce Allen. And he's the one hiring the next Head Coach.


????????????????????

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 4:49 AM | Report abuse

I am a big Fritz Pollard fan. And I believe he never gets the repect he deserved as he played back in the day. He was the only Black Football player in the Ivy League, as well as in the NFL. He was also a Haad Coach...A BLack Man..in the 1920s.....He created many different formations and plays being ran today, but a White Coach would get the credit.

If Pollard was alive, he would say that's what they was doing to him back in his days.....To interview Fritz and pick his brains for ideas for free. While never planning to hire him in the 1st place.

I would hate to think we're still living in the 1920s....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 5:03 AM

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Here’s what happened. Danny said there’s no way I’m going to go thru search for a coach like I did last time. Where the org was made a joke in the media cuz they couldn’t hire a coach. So this time he says I’ll start the process sooner, way sooner. He basically hires shanny and then really hires bruce allen. But now he has to wait until the end of the year to actually announce the new hiring and firing of zorny. BUT his organization still looks like a joke because of all the leaks and this town’s media’s hard on for making snyder look bad. For the record I like what danny did. He wanted shanny and he got him. To satisfy the rooney rule which is a somewhat of a joke he interviewed gray. And in return he probably offered gray something and I’m hoping it wasn’t a job in the next regime cuz I don’t want the corners playing 10 yards deep next year on a 3rd and 5. yes, gray sold out but it’s all about number 1 baby.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Danny Boy has got some 'splainging' to do. You know he interviewed JG and Danny likely asked him to keep it close to the vest out of respect for Zorn. He likely interviewed him primarily for the DC job and threw in some HC questions. Let's be honest here. This happens in business every day.

I would have to agree with Beantown. JG has not necessarily provided an environment of accountability. All we hear is how great our DBs are, yet every team passes for 250+ yds week after week.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You want to know why Gray shouldn't be considered for the head-coaching position?

He hasn't taught Landry how to tackle

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 29, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

dealer1 Redcoat is also a brit.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It appears very possible that John Fox will stay in Carolina. Does this make Bill Cowher a possibility??

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 29, 2009 9:33 AM

I dunno. Fox will be in effect a lame duck next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Fox buys himself out, giving him the able to coach elsewhere in 2010.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen was not here when Gray was interviewed, allegedly. The Alliance representative has asked that Bruce Allen conduct an interview as well since he is now in charge with operations.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

WTF? Reid who the hell cares? Gray has no obligation to tell you or the media if he interviewed or not. The powers that be understand and know what went down, case closed. Its none of your business what went down.

What was the process when you interviewed to get this blog? Did JLC tip you that he was leaving for the NFL Network before Wise or Boswell knew about it? That's not fair if its, I mean, you got a head start with the higher ups to get this gig before others on the staff had a chance to lobby for it. Maybe Lisa or Tracee wanted it, but because they're women were they looked over? Now this is a juicer story than this Gray story.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It appears very possible that John Fox will stay in Carolina. Does this make Bill Cowher a possibility??

Posted by: RedskinJim1

I mentioned this yesterday and it appears others too before that. I don't think Shanny is a forgone conclusion. I thought Shanny and BA didn't see eye-to-eye, and wonder about how Cowher and BA would work together?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 29, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

This post is just about a complaing reporter complaining about what coaches do all the time...LIE...

Gray can not tell the truth until Zorn is fired and the season is over. Plain and Simple. It's all about respect.

The fact is Zorn will be fired. But he hasn't yet.

Now....let's address the real problem about how this interviewing Black canidates is a sham....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey 1965skinsfan, where did you hear that Shanny and BA didn't see eye-to-eye? That's a scoop I'd rather know about than this Gray crap.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

damn, I got my post screened twice, no bad language, huh

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

4th,

You need to get real! Interviewing black candidates is not just for providing them an opportunity to interview. I see how it appears on the outside that it may look like a sham. Keep this one point in mind. It is also to assist them with interviewing skills and candidate marketing. It is widely reported that Jerry Gray did not interview well for the Memphis job. Do you think interviewing with Snyder may assist Jerry Gray in interviewing for the next HC job? Also, suppose he does really well and Snyder wants him for our DC spot? It is not just a "check the box" process. There are many things that come out of this. Jerry Gray's name hasn't been mentioned in the media this much since his playing days. Remember, no such thing as bad PR.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

You say no way to Mr. Gray?

So how did the 'big name' guys make out for us:

Marty Schottenhiemer

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs


Wow, I'm so glad these big name coaches fared so well in DC.

And just think: come Monday afternoon, another big name coach will be in the house to impress us all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I heard that Cowhers no 2 suitor was TB.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Art Schell!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

moe, it appears that Gray can't get the defensive backfield in order, giving him even more responsibilities doesn't seem prudent....

as cl stated yesterday however and I agree with, the ink is dry, and shanny is the guy...nothing to see here...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Who would you rather have COWHER or SHANNY? Lets hear it folks...

I take Cowher, cuz I think he will bring back the smash mouth bruising football we all grew up with here. He wont take crap from any player, he will just spit on them when he gets excited.

Cons for Cowher??

Support for Shanny? I hate this WCO so I dont have any and I always hated the Broncos growing up.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Clark,

I don't remember where read it, but it was a few weeks back and not much was made of it at the time. All the focus was on Shanny. Time will tell.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 29, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Peater Carmichael Jr.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Now....let's address the real problem about how this interviewing Black canidates is a sham....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse
========================================
Great, first lets start by stating what the Rooney rule is first. It's not just for ahem... "Black Candidates", its for all minorities, Black, Latino (Ron Rivera), Asian (Norm Chow), and women (Katie Blackburn) in coaching and high level positions.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Anybody want to seriously argue that the Rooney rule is not a GD joke? And who appointed these Fritz guys the arbiters of equality in interview process?

Danny is forced to interview some DNA qual'ed guy just to appease whatever remnant guilt meanders through the nation's consciousness.

Meanwhile, because Danny a) looked like an azz clown and b) had to settle for Mr Mellow last time he hired a coach, he wanted to TCB early and beat the other clubs to the trigger. Makes sense to me.

So he interviews Gray, mostly to comply with the Rooney Rule, and he interviews Shanny. Shanny says I want BA. Danny hires BA and it looks like Shanny is a mortal lock to get the job.

Meanwhile, the vultures circle for any scrap that can get a few eyeballs to sign up for their latest twitter feed.

Gray, who wants to do anything to NOT make Zorn's life even more unbearable, is forced to play an unwinnable game. He is either a liar, or a scum bucket for a) interviewing for his bosses job, or b) taking the interview for some suspected "pay off".

What shocks me is that the so called reporters haven't figured out that the pay off check has already been cashed. How do you think Gray got the Memphis interview? The FEDEX guy and Memphis alum just thought it was cool to try and raid Danny's coaching staff mid season? Or did maybe Danny call up ol boy and say "hey, you may want to have Memphis take a look at Gray for their gig".. Duh.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Count me in for Cowher!!! Smashmouth is how we play east coast football!! Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and New York do it that way. It's too cold here for all that facy scmancy west coast passing crap. Give me 250 lb running back any day.

SMASHMOUTH

SMASHMOUTH

SMASHMOUTH

SMASHMOUTH

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, yes:

"Does this make Bill Cowher a possibility?"


Nothing like a big name to satisfy the redskin faithful.

And how did ten year of depending on big names work out for the franchise:

Deion Sanders

Bruce Smith

Mark Carrier

Clinton Portis

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs

Albert Haynesworth

Lavernuaes Coles

Marty Schottenheimer


So bring on another big name coach and all his bluster.

Why take the time to search for a well-qualified guy with a strong mind and a clean slate?

(Even Gruden, Shanahan, Holmgren, Walsh, Cowher, Dungy, Tomlin, and Shula had to get an owner to give him a chance.)

And don't mention Zorn as a 'take a chance on this guy type' as he wasn't more qualified than a guy the team passed on--Ron Meeks.

It looks like redskin head coach spelled backwards is going to be pronounced 'retread'.

Or Shanahan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I mentioned this yesterday and it appears others too before that. I don't think Shanny is a forgone conclusion. I thought Shanny and BA didn't see eye-to-eye, and wonder about how Cowher and BA would work together?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

I've actually heard the exact opposite - that when Shanahan interviewed with Buffalo he stipulated he wants Bruce Allen as GM. As for Cowher, he will not be coming here. Cowher has stated several times he would only coach for a team that has respectable ownership/management. Looks like he is interested in the Panthers or the Bucs.

It would be really funny if Snyder did hire Jerry Gray and shock the media world.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray knew he was the token interview, but was a good soldier and took one for the team. He probably also looked at it as good practice for when a real HC interview comes around.

Why is everyone afraid to tell the Emperor he's naked? It is what it is. He had no more of a chance of becoming the Skins next head coach than you or I...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"It's too cold here for all that facy scmancy west coast passing crap. Give me 250 lb running back any day. "


Here's a guy who doesn't know about Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.

And that pass happy guy named Favre who starred at Lambeau Field featuring something called the WCO offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

It looks like redskin head coach spelled backwards is going to be pronounced 'retread'.

Or Shanahan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:03 AM

I agree. However, we dont have an owner smart enough, nor a GM with balls it seems to stand up and say, lets do this right!

I still dont think Gray is the guy though, the defensive backfield has been atrocious and gotten worse, how do you reward that?

I liked Meeks, Caldwell, Carmichael and others out there, but Snydey wont go throught this full process. I would take Fox if he was going to get fired, but not anymore.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I thot Cowherder was essentially a no-go and stated such. no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

for those who want smashmouth football, 1983 called........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they are considering Grey for defensive head coach...

Posted by: siris | December 29, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Kaneohe,

I will argue that it is not a joke. Under the one single premise that you say it is a joke, then maybe. However, I think the Rooney Rule is for more than just one purpose, Hiring a Head Coach. I think it has multiple platforms as I mentioned in an above post.
1. To find a Head Coach
2. To help market a potential candidate (how often has Jerry Gray's name been in the news?)
3. To assist in providing opportunities for future potential coaches to gain interviewing skills.
(Jerry Gray had a poor interview with Memphis) Not to mention do you think Raheem Morris was the first candidate that TB wanted? How often do teams get their 1st choice? Give up the conspiracy theory crap.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

An interview and a job are two entirely different things. Dan Snyder has no more intention of hiring Jerry Gray to coach the Redskins than he does hiring me.

The only thing the Rooney Rule does is it guarantees minorities an interview. If the owner has no intention of hiring a minority the process is useless. I'll admit the intent of the rule is well grounded, but the execution of the rule goes far beyond any outside influence, it rest entirely in the hands of the owner.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Here's a guy who doesn't know about Tom Brady and the New England Patriots.

And that pass happy guy named Favre who starred at Lambeau Field featuring something called the WCO offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what, if we get Tom Brady or Brett Favre from 10 years ago we'll do the WCO. Hell, why stop their let's just get Montana at QB and maybe a unicorn at RB, and a pocket full of rainbows in the secondary.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Cowher isn't an option. Its Shanahan and hopefully his son.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I will argue that the Rooney rule was a idea that was created with the best of intentions, just like any law or idea. No one does something with bad intentions, its human nature to think of yourself as a good guy.

I will also say that after a few years the rule has been loopholed to death so that its no longer of any use. If owners or GMs want coach X they will get coach X.

If the NFL really wants to make sure that minority candidates are considered for high level positions they would look more towards ensuring owners are not raciest or hiring more minority owners (and I don't count Jewish as a minority in this one). Here is a question, was the Rooney Rule complied with when Roger Goodell was picked as head of the NFL?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg

Do you think WCO is the type of offense our team is built for?

It may not be smashmouth that we need, but a run first, open up passing is how we have been built. Is it what wins today, could be, just WCO could win if the appropriate people are in place to run it and Zorn is gone.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

pa, how has the WCO worked for the eagles the past oh I don't know 10 years?? aren'tthey on the east coast?? Seems to me that the giants do a LOT of passing as well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Jery Gray denied interviewing for the commissioner job, but league sources said he did in fact interview twice while Tags was still in power.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Out of all the coaches, I personally am glad Joe Gibbs got a shot, at the job. He got us to the playoffs two years out of the four he was here. He found a way to some how make coaching under the Vinny and Danny show work (Although, I personally believe he got tired of it). He also got us in the playoffs when the team's best player was murdered, most teams would have imploded under such devastation. Norv took us to 1 playoff run, Marty lost the team at training camp but by the time he got it back in second half of the season, he was shown the door. Spurrier...ugh, Zorn was doomed from the start.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

for those who want smashmouth football, 1983 called........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

1983 wasn't available so we're transferring you over to 2006.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me when free agency begins? Immediately after the season ends or is there a specific date?

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Why all the hate for WCO? Look at this year's playoff teams. Seem s like WCO is what the majority of them are running.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Yes Jerry Gray will be head coach and Jim Fassel OC

What are the chances of that?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 29, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Fassel is working at the Lowes in Herndon...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

mh, hard to say what this team is built for, but to openly pine for a smashmouth ball control team, to me is just misguided.....look at the top teams in the playoffs/league RIGHT NOW, Indy, SD, NO, NE, Minn, Philly....they're mostly passing teams...its a passing league right now....

if we're going to be a smashmouth running team, then I'll get the time machine fixed, and we can go back to the mid-80's, and have a blast.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"Danny is forced to interview some DNA qual'ed guy just to appease whatever remnant guilt meanders through the nation's consciousness."

You're abolutely right.

It isn't odd that a league that's 98% African American can't generate young black coaches.

Which is why we get Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniel, Todd Haley, and Jim Zorn: guys who get head coaching jobs because they are connected to some great white coaching father.

Meanwhile, Jerry Gray--a standout player and coordinator in the league--shouldn't get a head coach shot because some dude can't tackle or the out of position players he probably didn't want to draft aren't performing.

Somehow, the NBA can do what the NFL has to be forced to do: give African American legit head coaching opportunites.

Which is why the NFL has to be forced to do what it won't do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Why all the hate for WCO? Look at this year's playoff teams. Seem s like WCO is what the majority of them are running.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

We have 1 guy that fits a WCO.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

How in the world can Jason Campbell whine??? No, it's not all your fault but do you remember that "pick 6" you threw against the Giants without pressure? You threw a pick against the Cowboys. You threw a friggin screen in to the Cowboys bench. You failed to audible to cover the corner blitz (so what if Zorn won't let you). You held the ball way too long on the Scandrick sack.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't whine and he has NO offensive line but he makes plays!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

2/27/10 is the FA start date next year.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Just doesnt seem like we have the talent to pull off the WCO scheme, could be wrong, but it doesnt seem like we have the right OL to play the scheme, RB, QB, etc.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

FA begins on March 5th.....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

2/27/10 is the FA start date next year.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse


Starts on March 5th

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

pa, how has the WCO worked for the eagles the past oh I don't know 10 years?? aren'tthey on the east coast?? Seems to me that the giants do a LOT of passing as well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse
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Beantown, I hear what you're saying, but in those 10 years the pigeons have just as many SB wins as the skins do ZERO. (For the record, I think the WCO will work no matter the coast its played on, I just refuse to give the eagles credit for anything.) :-)

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

We have 1 guy that fits a WCO.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM

In three years you can have a team full of WCO types. This isn't an over night thing. Pick the best coaches, use the best schemes, draft the right players.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Another day at Disney in 68 degree weather.

Such is life.

The minivan is ready to roll.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

We have 1 guy that fits a WCO.

Really?? Who?? Because if you're trying to say that the offense this team is currently running shows you which player fits the WCO, I'd say you're only kidding yourself.

Perhaps if we had a competent coach running this team we'd have a better idea...but we don't...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya Greg. Dont get me wrong I love the pass, again I just dont see us built that way currently. I would feel differently if we were built over the last 2 or 3 years towards the WCO offense, but I just dont see it.

Do Indy, SD, NO run the WCO offense? Just wondering, I thought NOrv ran a similar version of Gibbs offense.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Sam Bradford, where r u?"
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I would guess he's somewhere rehabbing his surgically repaired shoulder. He wouldn't last 10 minutes w/ Heyer protecting his back.

Posted by: closer44 | December 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

mh, hard to say what this team is built for, but to openly pine for a smashmouth ball control team, to me is just misguided.....look at the top teams in the playoffs/league RIGHT NOW, Indy, SD, NO, NE, Minn, Philly....they're mostly passing teams...its a passing league right now....

if we're going to be a smashmouth running team, then I'll get the time machine fixed, and we can go back to the mid-80's, and have a blast.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse


How about last year? Atlanta, Baltimore, Tennessee, New York, and Minnesota were all running teams.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You must be in Cali cause its 49 here in Tampa 80 miles from Orlando.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 29, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

moe, may there be a flat tire or two in your future.....

clark, I'll give you that, however you cannot simply dismiss the success they've had both offensively, as well as in wins/losses...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney Rule is the biggest joke in NFL and it needs to just end now. I mean teams are probably giving the black coach they interview a bonus and the "we interviewed you, right?" *wink*wink* look....

Posted by: ENJOYA | December 29, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, I'm all for throwing the ball, I was a QB in high school, but there's nothing wrong with some smash mouth football.

If we had a shot a getting the Vikings' Adrian Petterson, would any of you be complaining about the archaic philosophy of smash mouth football?

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

WHO FREAKING CARES WHO WAS INTERVIEWED AN WHEN, CAN JANUARY 3RD PLEASE GET HERE SO ZORN CAN BE RELIEVED OF HIS DUTIES AND MR TONY DUNGY CAN GET THIS SHIP STRAIGHTENED OUT...

IF ITS SHANHAHAN SO BE IT LETS JUST MOVE ON FROM THIS EMBARASSMENT AND KICK BLATCHE TO THE CURB TOO

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

pa, how about THIS YEAR??

Look at Indy/Philly/SD/NE, all the top teams in the league the past 5-10 years, I think indy/ne have 115, and 110 wins respectively, as well as 4 SB trophies....

they have a DYNAMIC passing attack...first and foremost....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Somehow, the NBA can do what the NFL has to be forced to do: give African American legit head coaching opportunites.

Which is why the NFL has to be forced to do what it won't do.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe,

I think to say that Black coaches haven't been given a shot is not accurate. I do think more should, but if Jerry Gray is so talented, why did he not get the Memphis job? I think sometimes it's easy to say it is due to his skin color. I couldn't care less about the color of the coach, just care that they can coach.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Gray can't coach a player to stay disciplined and not bite the 'double-move'.

Gray will probably coach somewhere and when he does our secondary just may be worse than it's ever been this season.

I pray that Blache remains with the team. As I do for Gray also... & LFB....

Hope everyone had happy holidays.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 29, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Its not a conspiracy theory. Why should one group on DNA specific individuals get a leg up on interviewing over all others in the universe of potential candidates? Does this specific group need the extra help? Are you saying they are naturally poor interviewers? Are you saying Morris got the job only because of the Rooney rule?


My position is this: I don't think that any specific group should get an advantage over another in the interview process. I don't think that any group is denied the opportunity to earn the job in today's NFL. Mandating a specific group be interviewed to comply with the rule only leads to controversy and wondering if they are REALLY interviewing for the job, or if they only got the Rooney interview, because, you know, "they need the practice, and we had to interview somebody who wasn't really gonna get the job anyway".

Most, if not all, NFL teams want to win. To win, they need to get the best players, coaches, and front office personnel. To do otherwise is stupid. Merit and talent wins.

If there was no Rooney rule, HC candidates would be interviewed and hired based on merit. Look across the NFL sidelines and front offices. There are plenty of Americans of all stripe holding down the various jobs. The good ones move up. Sometimes they move up too far or fail and need to be replaced. Others from the ranks are there to interview and eventually assume their jobs. Look at the various in game and in studio commentators. Its not monochromatic, and talent wins. Key is in, The Playmaker is back smoking crack where he belongs, because he sucked.

The Rooney Rule is not needed to ensure diversity, and causes more controversy and problems than it supposedly fixes.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Now....let's address the real problem about how this interviewing Black canidates is a sham....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse
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Great, first lets start by stating what the Rooney rule is first. It's not just for ahem... "Black Candidates", its for all minorities, Black, Latino (Ron Rivera), Asian (Norm Chow), and women (Katie Blackburn) in coaching and high level positions.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:01 AM


Clark....Go read up on Fritz Pollard and see the racism and hatred he had to live through with the likes of George Halas (the Football player/Original owner of Da BEars) who would try to knock him out of the game for good because he was the ONLY black player....And there would be no more black players/coaches until 25 years later past Pollard....But yes....the interview process is now for all minorities...but let us not forget the past.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

clark, I'll give you that, however you cannot simply dismiss the success they've had both offensively, as well as in wins/losses...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse
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True, but you must admit, they're like the Houston Oilers of the 70's, or The Chargers of the 80's, close but...

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

lisa, i don't know if you heard but panthers job is no longer available. john fox can stay if he wants to and his entire coaching statff. per the owner/gm. so it's buffalo or bust for cowher.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

What a joke this whole Rooney rule is. How can a black man feel equal when he is put in line for an interview because of his race. I'll tell anyone who wants to listen that you keep your nose clean and get a good education and you will succeed in this world. Bottom line is earn respect through hard work. I'd like to believe that all the black coaches in this country were hired because of their expertise and knowledge of the game and not the color of their skin.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

AllThat,

Really? You want this team to keep Blache? We have the most vanilla defense out there. We put Safeties 30 yds off the ball and put CB's 10 yds off the ball on 3rd and 4. We don't blitz and we don't play any press coverage. This guy is pathetic. No risk No reward! We play a SS at FS. DE at OLB.... we have a 350 Nose Tackle that we play a gap controlled containment.... Any other reasons that you would like to keep him?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"SO Gray mis-lead the media. Whoopety-doo."
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I think it's more that he's doing such a crappy job of it. Still, I agree, there are more interesting things I'd rather read about.

Posted by: closer44 | December 29, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I would also like to add the fact that the Rooney rule thus far has only included a black man being interviewed. Where are the other minorities that aren't black. This Rooney rule is a farce and being politically correct is a sham. How about a good education and hard work? It's a proven fact that it works. And the folks that accomplish success through hard work are the ones that get a bad rap for being successful. Geeeesh!

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

clean out the ENTIRE coaching staff...no questions asked....

not a one of them worth keeping....buges to the ring of fame, but please, lets move on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Wow - Beaner & I agreeing again. What is this strange universe?

Fire 'em ALL!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Somehow, the NBA can do what the NFL has to be forced to do: give African American legit head coaching opportunites.

Which is why the NFL has to be forced to do what it won't do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Why should anybody be GIVEN anything? Why don't people who want to be NFL head coaches work their way up the ladder either as ex players or as straight coaches to EARN the next job up the line? When i look across TODAY's NFL, this is what i see occuring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the Rooney Rule is that the NFL was 30 years too late in implementing it.

It would have been useful had it been put in place in 1973, but 2003? I don't think so.

I think the whole charade is embarrassing for all the participants; if you want Mike Tomlin as HC (let's pretend he is available), you interview him, hire him, and you're done.

But if you want Mike Shanahan as HC, you have to interview Jerry Gray first.

It's not necessary, and the time has passed when it was necessary. The NFL dropped the ball back then, but somehow feels better about itself by making it a rule now.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the FA info, everyone!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I am with Dik and Bean, clean house.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

lisa, i don't know if you heard but panthers job is no longer available. john fox can stay if he wants to and his entire coaching statff. per the owner/gm. so it's buffalo or bust for cowher.

Posted by: dealer1

I did hear that about John Fox - but maybe he does not want to continue there without a contract extension. I think he decides to stay.

Can't see Cowher in Buffalo - I've heard the Bucs is a possibility for him but after the Bucs beat the Saints last Sunday I think they will keep Raheen Morris - who was on the hot seat.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Clark....Go read up on Fritz Pollard and see the racism and hatred he had to live through with the likes of George Halas (the Football player/Original owner of Da BEars) who would try to knock him out of the game for good because he was the ONLY black player....And there would be no more black players/coaches until 25 years later past Pollard....But yes....the interview process is now for all minorities...but let us not forget the past.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse
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4th floor, I don't need a black history lesson from you, especially when I live it everyday. I know who Fritz Pollard was (A-Phi-A!). But just because racist don't spit in your face, doesn't mean racism doesn't exist behind board room doors.

Now, I agree that the Rooney isn't perfect, but it is necessary. It does loose it effect when people use it as means just to get to the coach they want. However, the thing that most people miss in the Rooney Rule is the opportunity and experience that the candidate gets. No matter how foregone the conclusion is to who the next coach will be, the candidate gets valuable exposure to the process, the so the next time he/she interviews for the position, they'll impress even more and may land the job.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

clean out the ENTIRE coaching staff...no questions asked....

exactly, one problem Snyder has always had is trying to link the team with it's past, somehow there has always been a link to the "glory days" he should form his own glory days forget about the past and make a future for this team, but once again he linked himself to the past with BA. Just start over. Stop whipping out the superbowl trophies everytime you sign someone, keep them locked up and out of the way,those days are long over. IF the fans want to see them let them drive down to Ashburn

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG,

I wouldn't blame those things on Blache. I would blame them on Vinny Cerrato.

Blache does his best with what he has to work with.

I never heard Griff, Monty or Golston complaining about 'gap-control' while maintaining a top-10 Run-D over the years.

Here's a question, Who would you start at FS? Kareem Moore? Lendy Holmes? Doughty? It's not like we have Sean Taylor anymore. And Ed Reed is a Raven.....

I blame all of those criticisms about Blache's Defense of Vinny.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 29, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if this is the fault of the reporters or not but this seasons coverage is more of a tabloid then what we've come to expect from the Washington Post. I know the Redskins STINK and covering actual football may be a bit of a challenge - but come on! Enough already with the rumors, he said, she said crap. Very taken aback by the coverage this season. What started off as great reporting (ticket scandal) has turned into reports of gossip and hearsay. It's disgusting to say the least.

Posted by: JBuss | December 29, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Analysis:

The KELLI comments are so out of character by CAMPBELL. I think he wants to be certain he's not offered as a RFA so he can get the hell out of DODGE.

I said in July this o-line thing was a set up for failure by DANO and VINNIE to get ZORN out of town. Turns out SNYDER was just going on the bag-man's advice regarding JIM, and VC was as stupid as we all thought he was. Wow, what a mess. I'd want out too.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

BRUCE, BRUCE, the Nation's Capitol turns it's lonely eyes to you.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

You can blame Vinny all you want. If you want to help protect a FS, then you jam WR's at the line, not free releases. That's scheme not player selection. Gap Control worked for Griffin, Golston et all... None of them are Haynesworth. You don't put a man that takes 2 or 3 players to block him in Gap Control. Move him around and let he wreak havoc. Not Vinny, but scheme. Blache is old and stubborn. Yes, I would leave Smoot at FS before leaving Landry back there again to give up another football game. Once again, scheme. Causing Turnovers wins football games, not being a Top 10 Run stuffer.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

How is it vinny's fault that in the game the other night the safeties were so far away from the LOS, that they weren't even in the television screen???? Or that the cb's play 10 yards away from the wr??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

clean out the ENTIRE coaching staff...no questions asked....

not a one of them worth keeping....buges to the ring of fame, but please, lets move on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:44 AM
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I agree with Beaner to move on.. But before we do...

Good news, it was not a total waste of your Sunday night, if you watched the full 3 hour debacle. Because you witnessed NFL history. It was the first time a Screen Pass has ever been overthrown, in the air (on the fly..no bounces) into the seats (5th row, mid field).

The Refs were so incredulous that it was just a bad pass, they threw an intentional grounding flag (but picked it up, quickly).

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Why should anybody be GIVEN anything? Why don't people who want to be NFL head coaches work their way up the ladder either as ex players or as straight coaches to EARN the next job up the line? When i look across TODAY's NFL, this is what i see occuring.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 10:47 AM

Because the people running the show are old white men who would rather see someone who looks like them to be the Head Coach?

When was the last time you were in the states?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

moe, no thanks on Gray, I've only seen regression in the defensive backfield, I've only seen CR be unable to defend a double move for YEARS now, I've only seen excuses, and not accountability from Landry, Rogers, while under Gray's watch....sorry, no thanks to that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I'll second that. No thanks to any of the coaches, BLATCHE and BUGEL included. I have nothing but admiration and respect for BUGES, but it's time for a change, or the rockin' chair.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

pa, how about THIS YEAR??

Look at Indy/Philly/SD/NE, all the top teams in the league the past 5-10 years, I think indy/ne have 115, and 110 wins respectively, as well as 4 SB trophies....

they have a DYNAMIC passing attack...first and foremost....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Actually you may want to go back and look at some numbers. Those Colts and Pats teams had some very good rushing numbers and dominant defenses. It wasn't Peyton Manning that beat the Bears. It was him with 200 yards of rushing that beat the Bears. The Colts won 2-3 of their playoff games that year with a strong ground game. Only the New England game was a pass first game. The Steelers were the same way too. Big Ben didn't do much at all in his first playoff run. In the second run you could argie that they were a defense and special teams team first. The Giants also ran the ball very the well the year they won it all. I think it's disingenous to say it's a passing league league now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Let's stay off the black-white bull-shyt, and play some real football - coach.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

pa, who are the top teams in the league right now??

what type of offense do they run, smash-mouth, or passing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question, Who would you start at FS? Kareem Moore? Lendy Holmes? Doughty?

Eric Berry, but thats just me, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

4th,

You are really getting silly now. It is about WINNING. Even look at College Football which is more about winning/and cash now more than anything. A lot of owners do fall for the "Coaching Tree" thing more than they should, but come on. Would you hire any Assistant over Shannahan or Cowher? They have won and won consistently. Give me a break.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

No matter how foregone the conclusion is to who the next coach will be, the candidate gets valuable exposure to the process, the so the next time he/she interviews for the position, they'll impress even more and may land the job.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 10:50 AM

While I respect you...I just don't agree..Now Gray is being painted as a back stabber...What good comes from that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Blache has got to go. He gets 100% of the credit for taking a #4 overall ranked defense last year, adding Orakpo, Hall, and Haynesworth, and actually DROPPING to #9 (probably worse now).

As noted earlier this season, his style is deceivingly bad. It looks good because the point totals stay low, but in reality he's doing this "bend but don't break" thing which basically gift wraps ball control and time of possession for the other team.

He isn't aggressive enough, he isn't using his players effectively, and he damn sure isn't teaching tackling. Just because our D is top 10, doesn't mean he should stay. I think there are a lot of coaches who could do a LOT better with the talent we have on Defense.

Probably a moot point but I hate to see anybody hoodwinked into defending Blache's coaching.

Posted by: rexforab | December 29, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Clegg....So, it is fine to turn a blind eye for the love of money?

Really??

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I am with Dik and Bean, clean house.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

God I hope those guys never open a restaurant together.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 29, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It is sad that in this great country we have to make people perform a valid job search. Can any of you seriously say the Greg Blache or Jerry Gray is not a better coaching candidate than Jim Zorn? Why did they get the job in the 1st place. This is the problem with the NFL. They think that players are meatheads. I know that Clinton Portis and Santana Moss understood that this guys was not a good coach. Then you get players in self preservation mode vs. What can I do the for team mode.

Sad state of affairs!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | December 29, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if this is the fault of the reporters or not but this seasons coverage is more of a tabloid then what we've come to expect from the Washington Post. I know the Redskins STINK and covering actual football may be a bit of a challenge - but come on! Enough already with the rumors, he said, she said crap. Very taken aback by the coverage this season. What started off as great reporting (ticket scandal) has turned into reports of gossip and hearsay. It's disgusting to say the least.

Posted by: JBuss | December 29, 2009 10:52 AM
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I agree.

If I was a player, I wouldn't speak to any of these reporters except to offer cliches re football, i.e., "We played well today but we can improve" or "We didn't get it done today and need to improve."

Because why give them anything else? Reporters are career-killers and/or controversy peddlers. They did it to Cartwright earlier this season with his comments, Haynesworth, and now JC.

JC in particular is a good case study. He had a lot of sympathy from fans for most of the season, but his comments after the Dallas game have definitely lost him even more support because it sounds like he's whining (and maybe he was whining, I don't know, that's beside the point).

These players would do well to remember that the media is NOT their "friend," they don't sign their paychecks, and at the end of the day they don't give a rip about anything but a headline.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

You make a great points all around, CLEGG. I wonder all of the time about Rogers lining up 10, 15, maybe even 20 yards off of a WR. Why does he do that to begin with? It truly irritates me when his man pulls in a catch....

Blache was a line coach and spent a lot of time with GWilliams. I know he wants to run a disciplined scheme, players must buy into it and play accordingly. He knows the Dline very well.

Don't get me wrong - there are problems. Good coaches adjust to satisfy them.
Good coaches can scheme.

But Good coaches can not control turnovers like they can stuffing the sun or pressing the receivers. Stuffing the run is almost as important as winning the turnover battle... not quite but almost.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 29, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I am guessing that Zorn know's his fate, and in most cases, Snyder has probably told him as much. Jerry Gray is in a tough position, but I really think his lot in the NFL has been elevated, not as a back stabber, but as a Coach. No one in the NFL is surprised by any of The Danny's shenanigans at this point.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"suppose he does really well and Snyder wants him for our DC spot?"

Why is SNYDER deciding who the coordinators are before the new head coach is hired? Shouldn't that be the left to the discretion of the new COACH? Isn't this the type of practice that leads to the organizational incongruence that seems to plague the franchise?

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

He interviewed, and this post it grasping at straws.

So the guy's not the White House press secretary, he doesn't stay up all night planning how to parse his words for maximum intrigue.

What you really want to write about it whether this Rooney process is a sham - well, it is and it isn't. In this case, Snyder wants to hire Shanahan so he will and he should.

That's not say the rule has totally failed. Gray's profile is much larger now, potentially helping his career down the road. And for what it's worth, our secondary is crapola.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 29, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What's the difference in hiring a quarterbacks coach versus a secondary coach? If the Danny likes Gray, he should promote him to Coordinator first, then wait a couple years.

In the past two years, what real head coaching mentoring has gone on between Zorn and Gray? What kind of good head coaching habits/skills has he learned from watching Zorn?

Hire Shanahan.

Posted by: jctichen | December 29, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

ANyway...My Main point was Gray didn't interview with Bruce Allen...

...Does NO ONE see the SHAMOCERY in that? When...you know...Bruce Allen will be hiring the Head Coach.

And you always need a plan B to your Plan A. Because we didn't have one 2 years ago, we ended up with Jim Zorn.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Backstabber? Check.
Liar? Check.
Lousy position coach? Check.

Hey we may have our guy!

Posted by: AlexVa1 | December 29, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"suppose he does really well and Snyder wants him for our DC spot?"

If this is the case we are screwed for the next 10 years. This decision is typically made by head coaches, not owners.

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule. Mike Tomlin.

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Jboogie,

Now that is a great point. Suppose Snyder wants to keep him as DC. What does that do to the "new set up".......

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I live in the States.

So, if the Rooney rule only says minorities must be interviewed, how did Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris get their jobs?

Better question: how did Art Shell, Tony Dungy, Herman Edwards, Denny Green and Lovie Smith get theirs? They were hired before 2003, no?

The so called Old White men (isn't Danny 45-47 and Jewish?) want to win, and will hire whoever they think can make their team win.

Maybe i have an unfair advantage, all my adult life I've worked in an environment where sustained excellence is rewarded no matter what genes may course through our blood.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Zorn brought Gray in AND also protected him after the end of 2008. As such, I would call Gray a back-stabber.
And now ALL Head NFL Coaches will be reluctant to hire him... The NFL coaching ranks are a very small universe.

When Zorn and all the coaches are fired it will be interesting to see what Snyder does for Gray vis a vis Quid pro quo, since Gray stuck his neck out to suffice the Rooney rule for Snyder. No way will Gray be retained by the new Head Coach.. for the same reason, above.
My guess, Gray will get a MUCH healthier "Buy Out/Severance" package than the other Assistant Coaches.

Ummmm wonder if this was worked out BEFORE the "Rooney Rule" interview??


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4th wrote:
While I respect you...I just don't
agree..Now Gray is being painted as a back stabber...What good comes from that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

...Does NO ONE see the SHAMOCERY in that? When...you know...Bruce Allen will be hiring the Head Coach.

actually 4th, shanny hired bruce allen. shanny will be BA's boss not the other way around.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

pa, who are the top teams in the league right now??

what type of offense do they run, smash-mouth, or passing??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Who cares? We aren't. Who is going to be the top teams next year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What a joke this whole Rooney rule is. How can a black man feel equal when he is put in line for an interview because of his race.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Better than he feels not getting interviewed at all?

I hate to get involved in political discussions here, but I had to say something.

In 2009, all minority unemployment rates
are significantly higher than white unemployment rates. Black unemployment is double that of white unemployment, and is the highest of all groups. Statistics bear out that blacks are still the last hired and the first fired across the entire American workforce. Those trends are just more obvious in NFL front offices than in other fields.

I don't think this is happening just because blacks don't want to work ANY jobs. Similarly, I don't think there are so many minority NFL players, yet so few minorities in NFL management positions, because minorities don't want the jobs or aren't qualified for them. The NFL recognizes this as a problem. (The NBA, a league similarly dominated by minority players, doesn't have this problem.)

Again, I hate getting bogged down in politics, but I had to point this out. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

Posted by: jcabana | December 29, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

It's all so perfectly clear now. Either Gray has some serious dementia going on or he's a flat-out liar.

Posted by: NCICURN | December 29, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

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Add stupidity and naiveness to his resume and he is PERFECT for the Redskin head coaching job!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 29, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Gray is lying.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | December 29, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Allthat,

Thanks. Your points are well taken. The only difference between Blache and GG's D is that GG blitzes.... Blache, not so much. So the scheme is set when you blitz, and should be adjusted when you don't. Unfortunately, we have one scheme, and it is a sucky one.. ( for lack of a better word )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODES, shanny was hired like 3 weeks ago.

@jboogie, gray was being interviewed for the HC job not a position coach.

btw who fulfilled the rooney rule last time? was it blatche or we-let-them-off-the-hook dude?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

bozhogg wrote:
that's not always true and that's why the Rooney rule was put in effect.
There IS racism in America or haven't you heard????
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There's racism throughout the world or haven't you heard? What does that have to do with hard work and earning a position in this world. Equal rights means equal ground. ask your boss for a raise because you are black. Not going to happen. Ask your boss for a raise based on your job performance and I'm sure it will be considered. By the way, if you take into consideration the definition of minortity and apply that to the number of black head coaches than they are doing well. And I don't think it had a thing to do with the Rooney rule. I think ever black NFL head coach hired was due to their experience and knowledge of the game and not their skin color.


mi⋅nor⋅i⋅ty  /mɪˈnɔrɪti, -ˈnɒr, -maɪ-/ Spelled Pronunciation [mi-nawr-i-tee, -nor, -mahy-]
–noun 1. the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole.
2. a smaller party or group opposed to a majority, as in voting or other action.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

God I hope those guys never open a restaurant together.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 29, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

DikBeans would be an awesome restaurant!!!

I got reservations at DikBeans tonight.

Well, she pretty much had to at that point, I mean I took her to DikBeans.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 29, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question for Cindy & staff. If someone interviews for an interim HC position, would that satisfy the Rooney Rule. That is, what if Gray interviewed to be the HC of the team back in week 6, when Snyder was first rebuffed by Shananhan. It was rumored then that Gray we get the first crack if Zorn walked away.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Jcabana,

The unemployment rate for College Educated employees are less than 5%. So what now?
The unemployment rate for those with only a highschool education is over 15%. Any common themes here?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule. Mike Tomlin.

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:14 AM

Come on dude....It is named the freakin ROONEY RULE!! You know how much the Rooneys would be talked about if they DIDNT hire a minority?????

Re: Snyder. Jewish = White in this instance I am talking about...If I wanted to be political correct, then I could have said Whites and Jews (A Black guy tried to buy the Vikings, but was denied, and that's when they gave it to Zygi Wilf), and they don't want to hire minorities as their HEad Coach.

Raheem Morris was picked because his name got hot as part of the Tampa-2 Tree, and the Glazors are cheap...and Morris was the cheapist option.

"Better question: how did Art Shell, Tony Dungy, Herman Edwards, Denny Green and Lovie Smith get theirs? They were hired before 2003, no?
"

That's a very small proportioned # to be quite honest.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

ANyway...My Main point was Gray didn't interview with Bruce Allen...

...Does NO ONE see the SHAMOCERY in that? When...you know...Bruce Allen will be hiring the Head Coach.

And you always need a plan B to your Plan A. Because we didn't have one 2 years ago, we ended up with Jim Zorn.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


I see where you are all bunged up now. You are assuming that BA was interviewed and hired BEFORE the decision to hire Shanahan was finalized. In reality, BA was brought in as part of the hiring of Shanahan process after Shanahan was contacted and wined and dined.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

anyone got any good New Years Eve plans??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

So, if the Rooney rule only says minorities must be interviewed, how did Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris get their jobs?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM

They "got their jobs" in their interviews....interviews that would not have happened, if not for the Rooney Rule.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If you include the guy up in Buffalo who took over for Dick Jauron, there are 7 black Head Coaches in the NFL right now.

7 out of 32. That's almost 22%. Nationally, blacks account for about 13% of the population.

So I'd say they're well represented among the 32 possible HC jobs in the league.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

copley square, new years eve package.
+++++++++++++++

anyone got any good New Years Eve plans??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:26 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Zorn, Gray, Blatche, who cares! If Shanahan is smart, he will clean house and bring in all new experienced guys and do this thing the right way! Unlike Gibbs 2.0, Shanahan has only been out of coaching for 1 year and is up-to-date on modern player talents, cap situation and coaching. Hopefully Bruce Allen will be "confident" enough to let Shanahan do it his way, unlike the previous "opportunistic" and "backboneless" Cerrato.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 29, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

anyone got any good New Years Eve plans??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:26 AM

Watch new years rockin eve to see if Ryan Secrest is taken down by a pack of angry wolves.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

where are the Skins in the Draft?
4th/5th pick range?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

They "got their jobs" in their interviews....interviews that would not have happened, if not for the Rooney Rule.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

This is the crux of our basic disagreement. I think they would have gotten interviews AND jobs if their performance merited both.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So, if the Rooney rule only says minorities must be interviewed, how did Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris get their jobs?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM

They "got their jobs" in their interviews....interviews that would not have happened, if not for the Rooney Rule.


Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:30 AM

Tomlin got his job because the Rooneys HAD to hire a minority HC.

The Glazers hired Morris because the fired Gruden and needed a cheap replacement. And Morris' name was already floating as the next hot Tampa-2 Coach. And he would come cheap, because of his age and lack of experince.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

IMHO, SNYDER picks the HC not BA. After listening to VINNIE last time, I'm sure DS thinks he can do at least as well. Good point, of course, he could do much worse. Tough, but possible. Better, n-n-n-no!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

al, we could only get so lucky, haha....

clifton, copley square in Boston??

I'll probably be asleep by 9:30....yeah, I'm old and out of touch....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's a silly rule now. A few decades ago, it may have been necessary.

But today, it deserves circumvention.

Owners & GMs don't care about race, they care about winning ... as they should.

Ironically, the rule is hurtful to minorities. It is patronizing and implicitly tells them that they are inferior.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | December 29, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

4th,

African Americans make up 14% of the US population. That would mean out of the 32 HC in the NFL just over 4 Coaches should be African Americans if it is proportionate to the US population.
Tomlin
Lovie Smith
Raheem Morris
Mike Singletary
Marvin Lewis

What now?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I think we are currently sixth.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If you include the guy up in Buffalo who took over for Dick Jauron, there are 7 black Head Coaches in the NFL right now.

7 out of 32. That's almost 22%. Nationally, blacks account for about 13% of the population.

So I'd say they're well represented among the 32 possible HC jobs in the league.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:31 AM

Dude....The NFL is 65% Black. That has been the original problem. It's proportion....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG:

How's that ratio for players working?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

They are sitting at 5, and are a lock for no worse than 5 if they lose at SD.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm just a middle aged white dude who's seen some f'd up hiring in my almost 20 years of work. But whateves...F the Rooney Rule. Let's go back to hiring the good old boy network retreads like Jerry Glanville.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Jcabana,

The unemployment rate for College Educated employees are less than 5%. So what now?
The unemployment rate for those with only a highschool education is over 15%. Any common themes here?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm tempted to respond with an obvious counter, but your response doesn't apply to football and fails to explain the hiring gap in the NFL.

I'm sure there are many things NFL owners look for when hiring a coach. I'm pretty confident that a college degree isn't very high on the list.

Lack of a college degree might influence a high-up front-office hire, but I doubt it would matter when looking to fill out a coaching staff. Tons of former coaches and players never finished college.

The fact that someone in this thread rattled off every minority NFL head coach over the past 15 years speaks volumes. Seven coaches out of about probably 75 openings in a league that is at least 70% minority tells you everything you need to know.

Posted by: jcabana | December 29, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

But today, it deserves circumvention.

Wow, I don't think it's so serious that surgery is called for. Chill man.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Let's say it together:

PRO-POR-TION

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG:

How's that ratio for players working?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Well maybe we should come up with a Rooney Rule for White Players then...... Gee, I wonder if it comes down to who is strongest, fastest, best hands, route running, tackling? Maybe the whole combine is a farce? Imagine that, the best players are playing? Hired b/c of their accomplishments. What a novel idea. Are you saying it is all about winning? ( As it should be )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Dude....The NFL is 65% Black. That has been the original problem. It's proportion....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM |
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No, the players are 65% black. The league isn't 65% black.

And most players, white or black, don't become coaches.

Are you saying the NFL should have 65% black head coaches, 65% black asst coaches, 65% NFL New York offices employees, 65% black GMs, 65% black officials, in order to match the talent on the field?

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Say it with Me PEOPLE:

PRO-POR-TION

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

thanks hawaii five oh..
Ummm trade down to two lower 1st picks and take the best OLine guys available.... Ala Bethard's 1981 Russ Grimm/ Mark May move.
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They are sitting at 5, and are a lock for no worse than 5 if they lose at SD.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:38 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

FYI with the loss this week the Washington Redskins end of season record will be worse then the Washington Nationals overall record last year.

So congrats to the Washington Nationals for moving up to the Second best sports team in Washington!

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

jcabana,
I'd like to think we can discuss this without the take it or leave it approach. No need to be defensive. After all, most of us didn't make up the rules, we just follow them. If you want change than you start by getting a good education. You then start at the bottom of the chain and work your way up. Unfortunatly it is the opposite in the NFL. You play well in college and your at the top of the chain when you are drafted and start your career in the NFL. Being a minority means that there are fewer of a total amount. Blacks are doing well in sports. Black coaches will be successful in sports because of their Knowledge of the sport and not the color of their skin. I'm not in denial as far as racism is concerned. I just think things are improving and I hope they continue to get better.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

NEVERMIND. You guys don't understand what I am saying. I don't agree with y'all....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

say it with me, follically challenged....

PRO-PE-CIA

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I think 4-12 (assuming they lose at San Diego) is the worst the Skins have finished since 1994, back when JKC still owned the team.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Come on dude....It is named the freakin ROONEY RULE!! You know how much the Rooneys would be talked about if they DIDNT hire a minority?????

Re: Snyder. Jewish = White in this instance I am talking about...If I wanted to be political correct, then I could have said Whites and Jews (A Black guy tried to buy the Vikings, but was denied, and that's when they gave it to Zygi Wilf), and they don't want to hire minorities as their HEad Coach.

Raheem Morris was picked because his name got hot as part of the Tampa-2 Tree, and the Glazors are cheap...and Morris was the cheapist option.

"Better question: how did Art Shell, Tony Dungy, Herman Edwards, Denny Green and Lovie Smith get theirs? They were hired before 2003, no?
"

That's a very small proportioned # to be quite honest.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Fowler is one of a group of investors, led by Zygmunt Wilf, who purchased the NFL's Minnesota Vikings from previous owner, Red McCombs, in 2005. He initially sought to be the general partner himself, thereby becoming the first minority owner of an NFL franchise, but withdrew his bid when he could not provide details about his stake in the ownership group. Instead, he became a limited partner in the group so that he would not lose his $20 million deposit. A very private man, he has not publicly disclosed any information about his financial situation to the media."

Hmm yeah the white owners got together and told him not to disclose anything so they could reject him!

Quit your damn whining about race! The 1960's called and want their angst back!

Owners are going to hire the coaches they think will give them the best chance of winning! Period!

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 29, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

CLEGG:

Great concept dude. Roll with that.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Last note on Blache - He seems like a really cool coach to play for. Down-to-earth, no BS, you either like him or you don't.

The only thing proportionate about racism is that it affects everybody. The Rooney rule may should have come sooner, but that's the way the story goes.

Florio seems to think that Shanny will want to new QB.

I would prefer an OL. But I think I may be hoping on the Spiller bandwagon before too long.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What difference does any of this make? It's just another Roach in a Tuxedo. Snyder will just continue to pout and mettle anyway and that will never change.

Posted by: bhalseyp3 | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Man, I love the smell of the offseason... time to fire up the Rooney Rule debate! And such as.

I'm a flaming liberal type, but I'm also results-oriented, so when I compare the number of minority head coaches today (7) with the total number of minority head coaches for the seventy NFL seasons before the Rooney Rule was implemented (7), I can wholeheartedly aver that the Rule has had a positive effect on the league.

It's not perfect, of course, but it was a dramatic step, with teeth, that enabled progress to be made. Hail to the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I live in the States.

So, if the Rooney rule only says minorities must be interviewed, how did Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris get their jobs?

Better question: how did Art Shell, Tony Dungy, Herman Edwards, Denny Green and Lovie Smith get theirs? They were hired before 2003, no?

The so called Old White men (isn't Danny 45-47 and Jewish?) want to win, and will hire whoever they think can make their team win.

Maybe i have an unfair advantage, all my adult life I've worked in an environment where sustained excellence is rewarded no matter what genes may course through our blood.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse
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You are right all were hired before 2003, how before Art Shell was hired in 1990 the last African-American head coach was Fritz Pollard which was in 1921. That's huge gap. Denny Green (1992) became a head coach two years after Art Shell. Dungy (1996) four years after Green and Herman Edwards 5 years after Dungy (2001).

Other minority coaches like Tom Flores and Wayne Fontes have also proven their weight in gold, but the opportunities have been far and few in between. I still for the life of me don't understand why if Zorn got a shot at being a head coach in the NFL, why Ron Reviera has not.

Posted by: clark202 | December 29, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

So, if the Rooney rule only says minorities must be interviewed, how did Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris get their jobs?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:15 AM

They "got their jobs" in their interviews....interviews that would not have happened, if not for the Rooney Rule.


Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 11:30 AM
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Actually you are dead wrong!!! Tomlin's hiring had nothing to do with the Rooney Rule!! Get your facts straight!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

4th,

I think there is one thing that we can agree with is that it sucks that at 4-13 (as Zorn said Sunday night) we are left with arguing the Rooney Rule. Let's all pray for better days ahead that hopefully will have some relation to a football team in DC.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn did not bring in Jerry Gray! GWilliams did. Interviewing people for a job that is not vacant yet HAPPENS all the time. People make SPORTS out to be special IT'S BUSINESS. I have worked for my fairshare of pro teams and other industries there is NO difference. If your boss was on the chopping boss and his superior wanted to interview you for his job without his knowledge are YOU a backstabber? No, your Boss is still going to get fired regardless so what's the big deal you added to your self development with the interview experience even if you do not get the job. People let's keep it real sports is business and life; nothing SPECIAL.

Posted by: Skins21-4everSmashmouth | December 29, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Clifton, agree. At 5, there may be a team that wants to get stupid and come up to grab our pick. We should let them. It would be great to get 3 players in the first two rounds and pick up a 3rd rd pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor

Bruce Allen will be hiring the Head Coach.
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I beg to differ, $nyder will be hiring the next head coach. I will say this much, I wish Allen or anyone else but $nyder was doing the hiring!!!

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hmm yeah the white owners got together and told him not to disclose anything so they could reject him!

Quit your damn whining about race! The 1960's called and want their angst back!

Owners are going to hire the coaches they think will give them the best chance of winning! Period!

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 29, 2009 11:46 AM

It's deeper than that...But low blows do nothing to me...keep it coming...ANd you missed my point while lamblasting me.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Last note on Blache - He seems like a really cool coach to play for. Down-to-earth, no BS, you either like him or you don't.

The only thing proportionate about racism is that it affects everybody. The Rooney rule may should have come sooner, but that's the way the story goes.

Florio seems to think that Shanny will want to new QB.

I would prefer an OL. But I think I may be hoping on the Spiller bandwagon before too long.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM |
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If the 2010 season goes uncapped, you just might have a new QB and OL!!
Just remember, the salary cap screwed the Redskins more than any other team in the league!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's not perfect, of course, but it was a dramatic step, with teeth, that enabled progress to be made. Hail to the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM |
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Agreed.

And I think the time has come for the "Roby Rule," to ensure that more African-Americans become punters and kickers.

It's kind of strange. I can remember Roby and Greg Coleman of the Vikes (both punters) but I can't recall the last black K in the NFL.

Might have been that guy with Tampa Bay years back, I think he might have been Swahili.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

the blog needs a PFT rumor

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Wait, did I say "relation to a football team"..... at least it wasn't "relations with a football team" CL and Cork would never let me live that one down.

Merry Christmas and may 2010 be the best year to be a Redskin fan!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

How many AMERICAN INDIANS will want to play for the REDSKINS if we quota race and players?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Snyder puts people in position to do the wrong thing. No leader would even consider doing the kind of sleazy things he did when Blache interviewed for the D-Coordinator and stabbed his buddy in the back...same thing with Gray.

Posted by: nativedc | December 29, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

say it with me, follically challenged....

PRO-PE-CIA

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

for real? i been thinking about it...especially since i don't need my boys anymore...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

And I think the time has come for the "Roby Rule," to ensure that more African-Americans become punters and kickers.

I wish we had REGGIE back. He and THRASH were a potent weapon.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

4-12,
How do you know the Rooney rule had anything to do with any coach being hired? Pure speculation on your part. Why not get the facts before commenting. For all I know it had something to do with a hiring. Get my point?

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

hope Allen remembers the Grimm/May draft move that began the Hogs in 81...
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Clifton, agree. At 5, there may be a team that wants to get stupid and come up to grab our pick. We should let them. It would be great to get 3 players in the first two rounds and pick up a 3rd rd pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 11:50 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

With a league composed of 32 George Preston Marshalls',(and I don't know that it's not) have fun with a "Rooney Rule". Rules do not change the heart of a man, if he's a racist then that's what he is and all the rules in the world are useless against it. Those of us who experienced Jim-Crow know all about it. The league should stop playing games.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Katie Holmes has moved in with Dan Snyder and that Greg Blache is adopting Suri.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

when I compare the number of minority head coaches today (7) with the total number of minority head coaches for the seventy NFL seasons before the Rooney Rule was implemented (7), I can wholeheartedly aver that the Rule has had a positive effect on the league.

It's not perfect, of course, but it was a dramatic step, with teeth, that enabled progress to be made. Hail to the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Nate! It makes sense that a league should sort of reflect its player population. Not to say that the league's coaches should be 65% minority. Of course not. I don't think anyone with a brain would realistically make that argument.

But I also think that there were more than 7 minorities who were qualified to be head coaches over the 70 years before the Rooney Rule was implemented. I also think that -- like in the NBA -- there should be so many minority coaches and front-office types in the NFL that you shouldn't be able to name them all.

The reason nobody talks about the NBA like this is because you can't name every non-white in a management position. In a league that features so many minority players, and that takes many of its managers from the ranks of former players, isn't that how it should be?

Posted by: jcabana | December 29, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, here's hoping Leigh Torrence gets the redsksins Rooney HC interview. He went to Stanford, and likes politics, so I bet he will do a real good job coaching the team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Marty Schottenhiemer

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs


Wow, I'm so glad these big name coaches fared so well in DC.

And just think: come Monday afternoon, another big name coach will be in the house to impress us all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Spurrier....I'll give you that one, but I think his past succes deserved a shot.

Schotty: went 8-8 and was doing very well. Snyder's biggest mistake of his terrible ownership was firing him.

Gibbs 2.0: Coached the best team the skins have had under Snyder

So I think your argument was a very bad one.....

Posted by: rupertpupkin | December 29, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

hope Allen remembers the Grimm/May draft move that began the Hogs in 81...

Wasn't that the same one that got GIBBS in dutch with the league and the University of Pittsburgh over tampering with a junior football player?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that while its no secret that Mike Shanahan will be the next coach of the Washington Redskins, the qb position is very much up in the air. Maybe not so much anymore. Insiders in Ashburn have informed us that both John Elway, and Jake Plummer have been burning up the phone lines calling into talk with Bruce Allen, regarding their future employment. Elway in particular has been mulling over a comback in recent years, and is said to be in better shape that when he came out of college. Stay tuned"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I get what you're saying 4th. If the NFL was a factory and 65% of the employees working the line were African American but a significantly smaller percentage (22%?) were employed as supervisors, we'd all agree that there's a racial disparity. But for some reason people can't see the same disparity in the NFL.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

the blog needs a PFT rumor

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34620858#34620858

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with Gray's coaching as none of his Defensive Backfield can catch interceptions except Hall who had that ability before he came here.

I also have a problem with token interviews to end-around the Rooney Rule.

Fact is, Zorn got an opportunity he was not ready for and was further hampered by management/ownership's constant undermining and disrespect (asking about Shanny to Pat Bowlen IN FRONT OF Zorn is but one example). Why any current coach thinks he won't encounter the same disrespectful, undermining, meddlesome behavior is beyond me. The Danny hasn't had a lobotomy, has he?

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@ hessone

Thank you for your response. It was one of the kindest I've received in these forums, even if we might disagree on the topic at hand.

Posted by: jcabana | December 29, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

How many AMERICAN INDIANS will want to play for the REDSKINS if we quota race and players?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Jim Thorpe did.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Marty Schottenhiemer

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs


Wow, I'm so glad these big name coaches fared so well in DC.

And just think: come Monday afternoon, another big name coach will be in the house to impress us all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Spurrier: While he didn't do a good job I think his past successes in college probably meritted a pro job. I'm sure you hailed the hire when it happened

Schotty: Went 8-8 before being fired and had the team playing very well. The biggest mistake Snyder made as an owner was firing him......and I know he has made lots of mistakes

Gibbs 2.0: Coached the best skins team that we've had since his first tenure, hardly a failure

I think your argument stinks

Posted by: rupertpupkin | December 29, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Pure speculation on your part. Why not get the facts before commenting. For all I know it had something to do with a hiring. Get my point?

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM

Yes, yes indeed, hessone. Your point is clearly and concisely articulated here. You're saying that, for all you know, "'it' had something to do with a hiring." Thank you. Thank you for presenting "facts" that show the error in my line of reasoning. F me. F Zorn. F RI.

But most of all, F vegemite.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, jcabana. And I think there were more than 70 years of the NF of L prior to 2003 (Rooney Rule), but I had sevens on the brain and just went with that...

Hmm, the NFL was founded in 1920, so there were actually i>80 years before the Rooney Rule during which time only seven guys who where not white dudes were head coaches... seven in eighty years, how can that be characterized as anything but an institutional disgrace?

And right now, six years and change after the Rooney Rule was implemented, there are seven guys who are not white dudes who are head coaches. That's demonstrable progress, in my opinion.

F hating on the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I get what you're saying 4th. If the NFL was a factory and 65% of the employees working the line were African American but a significantly smaller percentage (22%?) were employed as supervisors, we'd all agree that there's a racial disparity. But for some reason people can't see the same disparity in the NFL.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid the disparity a lot of people see is the 14% African-American general population / 65% NFL population figure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to clean house of all it's assistants too!

I'm sorry but what player on this team has developed? Look at the DBs under Gray. Landry was an ALL WORLD Safety coming out of college and a legit football player. he can't cover or tackle anything now. Look at our WRs, our OL, our LBs. no one has developed as a Redskin. Fletcher is just a pro,, but no one here has developed. the only things players develop as a Redskin is media savvy!

Posted by: oknow1 | December 29, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I get what you're saying 4th. If the NFL was a factory and 65% of the employees working the line were African American but a significantly smaller percentage (22%?) were employed as supervisors, we'd all agree that there's a racial disparity. But for some reason people can't see the same disparity in the NFL.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM |
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That's because in the NFL "factory" the "line workers" make the huge salaries, guarantees/incentives/endorsements, and the coaches (and especially the assistant coaches) make far less.

Super analogy there, scooter.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You say no way to Mr. Gray?

So how did the 'big name' guys make out for us:

Marty Schottenhiemer

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs


Wow, I'm so glad these big name coaches fared so well in DC.

And just think: come Monday afternoon, another big name coach will be in the house to impress us all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 29, 2009 9:53 A

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Mr. Gray seems to be a lying and a backstabbing person who can not handle the simple task of dealing with a couple of reporters.
How is Mr. Gray going to deal with 53 stubborn players?
Who is going to believe Mr. Gray?
The big name guys have prove themselves, has Mr. Gray done anything similar to those guys?

Posted by: hock1 | December 29, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

How many AMERICAN INDIANS will want to play for the REDSKINS if we quota race and players?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Jim Thorpe did.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

That's a great start. How about MARK SCHLERETH

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien did (part native amer).
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How many AMERICAN INDIANS will want to play for the REDSKINS if we quota race and players?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Jim Thorpe did.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2009 12:06 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid the disparity a lot of people see is the 14% African-American general population / 65% NFL population figure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 12:10 PM

Well....That is better than 100% White/0% everybody else as it was in the not too distant past. That shows the best can make it, regardless of race. Sadly, it is not like this in the FO or on the HEad Coaching front.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is this even a story? The commissioner even commented on this, saying the Rooney Rule was followed.

What's the point then? That Gray undermined Zorn? LOL, I'd say that would be par for the course anyways.

The Post needs to come up with something new to pick on. Does it have anymore old ladies that committed 20k to football tickets and then lamented their poverty?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 29, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4-12, you are not kidding about the Vegemite thing. Good golly.

Nathan Jr. and I tried it on toast, as kost suggested, and it was, ah, problematic for both of us. I'm glad I tried it, and it was very kind of kost to smuggle it over to these shores, but whoa...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Snyder puts people in position to do the wrong thing. No leader would even consider doing the kind of sleazy things he did when Blache interviewed for the D-Coordinator and stabbed his buddy in the back...same thing with Gray.

Posted by: nativedc | December 29, 2009 11:55 AM
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Grow up nativedc!! Blache owed nothing to Williams and since neither you nor I were sitting in on the negotiations between Williams and Snyder, nobody knows what demands were being asked. Williams interviewed on at least four occassions with Snyder and couldn't seal the deal!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Better yet Nate, or better yet than better yet, lets ALSO F hating on the Redskins because they want to hire Shanahan who is clearly qualified but must give a token interview to a random African American coach who will supposedly appear to actually have a shot at the job.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs did not fail. He managed to make the playoff's twice under Dan Snyder!! That's amazing. Simply amazing.

I cannot wait for this mess to end. I hope Allen ends stuff like this next season. I hope Shanahan and Allen do not fall into this black hole. I really believe Snyder has finally decided to not take part in any player choices and does not make friends with any players.

I want Gray gone. This defense was horrible this season. Mostly because of the secondary.

Posted by: Mike4169 | December 29, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

That's because in the NFL "factory" the "line workers" make the huge salaries, guarantees/incentives/endorsements, and the coaches (and especially the assistant coaches) make far less.

Super analogy there, scooter.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 12:11 PM

Look fatso, it's not about salary, it's about power. Surely an impotent clown like you can appreciate that.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, jcabana. And I think there were more than 70 years of the NF of L prior to 2003 (Rooney Rule), but I had sevens on the brain and just went with that...

Hmm, the NFL was founded in 1920, so there were actually i>80 years before the Rooney Rule during which time only seven guys who where not white dudes were head coaches... seven in eighty years, how can that be characterized as anything but an institutional disgrace?

And right now, six years and change after the Rooney Rule was implemented, there are seven guys who are not white dudes who are head coaches. That's demonstrable progress, in my opinion.

F hating on the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hmm define "white dudes".

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 29, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow, shaunsherman, you're really going to dig up that story and try to convince someone that the Post was in the wrong to report it? Sorry, but I'm not going to let that one slide.

The Redskins sued some of their season ticket holders.

That really happened. The Redskins had options when those season ticket holders couldn't afford the season ticket plans they'd signed, and unlike every other team in the league who faces such situations the Redskins chose to sue these fans for breach of contract. Read that again and tell me why that wasn't newsworthy.

The team was legally in the right, and I would never argue that, but good golly they looked like total and complete bottom-line business deuchebags for doing so. And they confirmed that by trotting out that sleazebag lawyer to not-apologize for it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Kost was nice enough to leave me an entire tube of Vegemite. I'm trying to figure out a use for it. Perhaps it can play right guard for the Skins on Sunday, as no U.S. American would be stupid enough to go near it.

I was able to finish my piece of Vegemite-topped-biscuit. However, 4thFloor's reaction after he had just one bite was priceless.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 29, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I know I shouldn't ask, but what is vegemite, just the name is enough to say no

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

So Campbell is a whiner and should be benched?

Hey how about Haynesworth is paid around 10 or more times what he is. Complaining that he isn't used properly? That Blache and the entire coaching staff sucks but the players are okay? For 41 million given the miserable state of the team you would think he would display some leadership and keep those comments in-house where they belong. Definitely, they should bench the original whiner Portoise now shouldn't they? He was bellyaching about the line well before Campbell.
So hey MAYBE they should TRADE HAYNESWORTH!? They would get more draft picks for him ... and then Campbell for one or two more.

Maybe all of you should all just shut the what up? A few of us here told you this was likely to happen. Well before training camp. So, now just grin and bear it. Its not going to change until Snyder gives up running the team one way or another. I am tired of YOUR whining. Okay?

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

hope Allen remembers the Grimm/May draft move that began the Hogs in 81...

Wasn't that the same one that got GIBBS in dutch with the league and the University of Pittsburgh over tampering with a junior football player?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 29, 2009 12:02 PM |
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I'm pretty sure you are talking about Penn State!! I believe the player was Larry Kubin.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow... sounds like top-quality head-coaching material to me... NOT.

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 29, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe, count me among those who are convinced that what you dismiss as a "token interview" itself has value to both the interviewer (and by extension his franchise) and the candidate.

Of course I can't verify that this is true, but it's one of the reasons I believe the Rooney Rule has contributed to demonstrable progress in the hiring of minority head coaches.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

GRAY IS PATHETIC. WHY INTERVIEW IF YOU KNOW IT'S A TOKEN INTERVIEW??

Posted by: MadeRED | December 29, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Snyder just likes to get a jump on things. He hired coordinators before selecting a head coach. He got a deal done with Haynesworth before free agency started. He conducts token interviews to satisfy the Rooney Rule before firing Zorn. Nothing wrong with being proactive.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 29, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Look fatso, it's not about salary, it's about power. Surely an impotent clown like you can appreciate that.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:18 PM |
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Power? That was funny.

The NFL is a players league, not a coaches league, meathead.

Pull your head out of your rectum and try to find a better analogy next time, spooge-eater.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok Nate, I'm willing to press the I believe button on that. I certainly think Snyder's diversity record is as good or better than any other team. The coaching staff, the front office, etc etc. Of course, this was not the case with the Redskins of old under GPM.

At what point do the Redskins get a pass from the press for giving the minority interview even though its apparent they want Shanahan for non nefarious reasons?

And when does Gray get a pass for being "the Rooney guy"?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of the Rooney rule is that any minority candidate who interviews will be considered "token" if they're not offered the job, even if they are a serious candidate but less qualified than the person who is chosen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I think most people overlook the fact that most of the candidates are qualified (see: Sherm Lewis '94-'02).
There is always this fear expressed by the posters here that this gives an unfair advantage to minorities also known as African Americans. Minorities are not just Black, but to make it popular to oppose a Black face is put on it. If a team interviewed Ron Rivera and Norm Chow they would be complying with the Rooney rule.
Has this rule helped Black coaches get interviews? Yes. But like all diversity rules/ laws it helps all minorities. Just like the changes unions fight for don't just affect/ help union members. But the old boogieman that AA's are getting a 'leg up' b/c they're black gets trotted out and racism becomes part of the discussion.
The culture in the NFL is changing and maybe the rule is obsolete at this period in time.

Posted by: priceisright | December 29, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Rooney rule has yet to be confirmed as a reason a minority has been hired a head coach in the NFL. Only that the indivisual has been interviewed. So how has it really made an impact. The way $nyder has complied with the rule, it looks like a joke to me.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

With a league composed of 32 George Preston Marshalls',(and I don't know that it's not) have fun with a "Rooney Rule". Rules do not change the heart of a man, if he's a racist then that's what he is and all the rules in the world are useless against it. Those of us who experienced Jim-Crow know all about it. The league should stop playing games.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 11:57 AM
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Sorry to inform you boss, but George Preston Marshall was possibly the first to hire a minority as head coach!!!!
Funny how that works!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed in all of you...

Reid, Cindy, & Mease posts these stories and sit back and laugh. They know exactly what they're doing, this is their form of entertainment.

The JC & Rooney debate are the two most tired arguments on RI, and you guys & LisaR are merely puppets for their sick amusement.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 29, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe all of you should all just shut the what up? A few of us here told you this was likely to happen. Well before training camp. So, now just grin and bear it. Its not going to change until Snyder gives up running the team one way or another. I am tired of YOUR whining. Okay?

Posted by: periculum

If you don't like our whining than fill your days with something other than this board. Geeeeesh

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 why don't we add this to the long list of things that you just don't understand.
Oh, and "spooge-eater?" Weak.

Posted by: mack1 | December 29, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"...Before we go through the rest of the quote, let's point out that no one suspected Gray spoke with Pollard, the NFL's first African-American coach who died in 1986. But if he meant he never spoke with a representative from the Fritz Pollard Alliance, that's especially interesting because Wooten, the group's president, is quite certain he spoke with Gray..."


He probably THOUGHT he spoke with Gray, but instead it was Dan $nyder disguising his voice and giving answers such as: "S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me! Cutty say 'e can't HANG!"

Posted by: nojunk4me | December 29, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

@NateinthePDX

Living in the past can be a painful exercise. Things are getting better, but you have to be positive and not dwell on the past. Again, not one head coach hire has been confirmed a Rooney rule hire. Wouldn't you rather believe it was because the coach that was hired got the job due to knowledge of the game. Or would you like to keep the race card alive and well? I'll choose the first option.

Posted by: hessone | December 29, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

JC Beeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 29, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

You're just spinning your wheels over who the coach is going to be, or not be. Doesn't matter whether its Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden or Winky the Wonder Horse if Snyder maintains his meddling ways. If he does, it'll just be yet another failure. If he'll get out of the way, there's a chance for success, maybe even with ol' Winky. For what it's worth (nothing), my money is on the leopard that is Daniel Snyder being unable to change his spots.

Posted by: chorister | December 29, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

You say no way to Mr. Gray?

So how did the 'big name' guys make out for us:

Marty Schottenhiemer

Steve Spurrier

Joe Gibbs

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Spurrier - untested NFL coach

Gibbs 2.0 - did the best he could, but how many lineman were drafted during his time? The GREAT Joe Gibbs surely knew the importance of offensive lineman, didn't he?

Schottenheimer - Should of never been fired & if he were hired today I think he would stick because at this point Snyder is probably completely disgusted. He is the type of coach that would definitely get this team to shape up.

Which leads us to Shanahan... as far as I'm concerned he is the best offensive coach available & he always seems to get the most out of his offensive players... I think Cutler's struggles this year are exhibit A. He gets this offensive line straightened out this summer & sky could be the limit... As long as the defense doesn't regress under a new DC then I see this as a very good hire.

We already hired an unproven product at HC in Zorn & Gray is the same... I wouldn't mind him staying on to be the defensive coordinator since in Buffalo he had 2 defenses ranked #2 (2003, 2004).

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

George Marshall hired his first minority because he didn't have much of a choice. It certainly wasn't because he wanted too.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

George Marshall hired his first minority because he didn't have much of a choice. It certainly wasn't because he wanted too.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

George Marshall hired his first minority because he didn't have much of a choice. It certainly wasn't because he wanted too.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 1:08 PM
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READ!!!!!!! I said head coach....not player!!!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

dkidwell61 You seemed to be anxious to respond but you should get your facts straight, know something about the history of the team before you do.

George Marshall never hired a minority coach, the first minority he did hire was Bobby Mitchell and that was done under duress. Had he had his way that would not have happened.

Furthermore, the Redskins have never had a minority head coach excepy on an intrem basis and for a very short period of time.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is hired, Blache is gone and his replacement is Bob Slowik.....as some would say on here.... BOOK IT!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Gray lied so he could get an interview with Czarniak and text with her.

I'd do it too.

Seems simple. He interviewed. He doesn't want it public til after the season.

He also could not want it public b/c he knows it was a token interview.

Get on the boat. The motorboat.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 29, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Gray lied so he could get an interview with Czarniak and text with her.

I'd do it too.

Seems simple. He interviewed. He doesn't want it public til after the season.

He also could not want it public b/c he knows it was a token interview.

Get on the boat. The motorboat.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 29, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

dkidwell61 You seemed to be anxious to respond but you should get your facts straight, know something about the history of the team before you do.

George Marshall never hired a minority coach, the first minority he did hire was Bobby Mitchell and that was done under duress. Had he had his way that would not have happened.

Furthermore, the Redskins have never had a minority head coach excepy on an intrem basis and for a very short period of time.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 1:23 PM
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Best to know the history yourself before calling someone else out and showing how little you really know!!!
George Preston Marshall hired "Lone Star" Dietz as head coach of his Boston Braves and changed the name to Redskins as an honor to the man.
Also, you might want to rethink the whole Bobby Mitchell thing as well!!! You see, Ernie Davis was actually drafted by the Skins and traded to the Browns for both Mitchell and Leroy Jackson. But a little talked about fact is that the Skins also drafted Hernandez in the 2nd round and Hatcher in the 8th who were also black!! (Hatcher was actually the first black player to sign a contract with the Skins)
The fact is that the Skins complied with the "threats" that the federal government threw at them before the Mitchell/ Davis trade was complete.
You see, if Marshall wanted to only comply with the feds, he could have traded Ernie Davis for anyone he wanted since he already had two other players that qualified!!
Therefore, Mitchell was part of a great trade for the Skins and not because of the threats.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with Gray's coaching as none of his Defensive Backfield can catch interceptions except Hall who had that ability before he came here.

I also have a problem with token interviews to end-around the Rooney Rule.

Fact is, Zorn got an opportunity he was not ready for and was further hampered by management/ownership's constant undermining and disrespect (asking about Shanny to Pat Bowlen IN FRONT OF Zorn is but one example). Why any current coach thinks he won't encounter the same disrespectful, undermining, meddlesome behavior is beyond me. The Danny hasn't had a lobotomy, has he?

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and 'token interview' doesn't mean that the Black applicants are not qualified; it means that the interviews themselves are not for actual hiring considerations but to meet the Rooney Rule requirement.

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Gray, don't embarrass yourself. You're the designated Rooney - but volunteering for same is undignified.

Posted by: AlohaFan | December 29, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with Gray's coaching as none of his Defensive Backfield can catch interceptions except Hall who had that ability before he came here.

I also have a problem with token interviews to end-around the Rooney Rule.

Fact is, Zorn got an opportunity he was not ready for and was further hampered by management/ownership's constant undermining and disrespect (asking about Shanny to Pat Bowlen IN FRONT OF Zorn is but one example). Why any current coach thinks he won't encounter the same disrespectful, undermining, meddlesome behavior is beyond me. The Danny hasn't had a lobotomy, has he?

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 2:33 PM |
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Gray can only put the players in position to make plays!! He can not catch the ball for them!!
Why is this and "end-around" the Ronney Rule!!?? The Skins compied!! End of discussion!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and 'token interview' doesn't mean that the Black applicants are not qualified; it means that the interviews themselves are not for actual hiring considerations but to meet the Rooney Rule requirement.

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM
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So unless the black applicant is hired, how do you differentiate between an "unqualified" applicant and a "token"!!??

Posted by: dkidwell61 | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I have an out for Jerry Gray. Just tell us you've never spent the night at the guest house on the grounds of the Snyder estate in Potomac this season, and we'll believe you when you tell us you've never interviewed for the Head Coach job. And for goodness' sake, don't ever, EVER, let slip that you ran into Jim Fassel in the hallway.

Posted by: rooster75 | December 29, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Lone Star Dietz was a native American who were the majority until the Europeans came along. Ernie Davis was never in Marshalls' employ, and there was that little thing about the stadium deal in 1961.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

dkidwell, it is only the 'end of discussion' because you don't comprehend the difference between compliance and true opportunity.

You also don't read well or else you wouldn't have asked why it's an end around the Rooney Rule or what the difference is between unqualified and token. I actually posted up the difference just for folks like you and you still missed the point.

It's like you are a vinny clone with your undying loyalty to $nyder as though he can do no wrong. It's as though you totally disregard that Gray has ZERO chance of becoming the HC.

It would appear that folks have to constantly spell things out for you and that rickyroge dude. I think you both share the same brain. Your 'Dan is the Man' zealotry is astounding...and a bit disturbing.

We have had 10 years of overpaying, meddling, disrespectful and condescending behaviour from Dan and his minions and little to show for it but a team in constant turmoil working thru chaos all due to an egomaniac who refuses to build upon the Squire's legacy because he wants his OWN legacy to outshine all previous ones.

Switzer and Gruden both have the 'he won a SB with someone else's players' knock on them...but at the end of the day, they are both SB Champion coaches regardless. They don't care about the knocks. Dan does. He'd rather continuing on losing 'HIS WAY' than win using someone else's blueprint.

That is NOT the mark of a smart man or one who 'wants to win so badly'.

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 29, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

dkidwell61 is a George Preston Marshall clone.There is no history anywhere to support his claims. George Preston Marshall, entrepreneur, racist.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

WOW

What a jive talker, double talker, and liar this Gray guy is. Let´s all hope he´s ruined his career with his behind the back shananagins.

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 29, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, I wish all you angry black whiners would take your rooney rule posts to some liberal political blog and use this blog to opine about sports

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 29, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"So unless the black applicant is hired, how do you differentiate between an "unqualified" applicant and a "token"!!??"

When Snyder has Shanahan's contract already made out, and then interviews Gray, that might make him a token?

Posted by: AlohaFan | December 29, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Another clone chimes in.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | December 29, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

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