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Analysis: Shanahan in test of wills with Haynesworth

The standoff between Albert Haynesworth and the Redskins is about much more than defensive schemes and positions. What's really at play here is Coach Mike Shanahan's need to exert his will over the football operation -- and Haynesworth providing an obstacle to that end.

Shanahan has repeatedly expressed his displeasure with Haynesworth for his decision to train on his own rather than participate in the Redskins' voluntary offseason conditioning program at Redskins Park. And earlier Wednesday, it was learned Haynesworth probably will not attend Washington's first voluntary minicamp that begins April 16.

Haynesworth plans to participate in all mandatory offseason team events under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, two people with knowledge of the situation said. But Haynesworth would not face disciplinary action for skipping non-mandatory activities at the park.


It's one thing for Haynesworth to train on his own, which irritated Shanahan. But for Haynesworth, the Redskins' highest-paid player and arguably their most talented, to be elsewhere during a minicamp, well, I imagine that would simply be unacceptable to Shanahan.

Shanahan is the undisputed leader of the football operation. General Manager Bruce Allen makes the moves that Shanahan wants. (And owner Daniel Snyder, obviously, is still the owner.)

Haynesworth has made it clear he does not want to play the nose. Shanahan has made it clear Haynesworth is the Redskins' starting nose tackle. In holding firm with Haynesworth, Shanahan is sending a clear message that he sets the agenda for the Redskins -- not the players. Even a player as talented as Haynesworth.

Shortly after he was hired, Allen told people in the organization he never would have given Haynesworth a $100-million contract. Shanahan's feelings are known about the two-time all-pro selection.

The Redskins do not want Haynesworth. And Haynesworth apparently is open to a change of scenery after receiving $32 million from the team in the first 14 months of the contract. It is believed the Redskins would prefer Haynesworth to repay some of the $21 million bonus he received April 1. At this point, I don't see Haynesworth giving back money.

The Redskins do not want a disgruntled Haynesworth on their roster when they're trying to start anew under Shanahan. And Shanahan, from what we've heard from his days in Denver, does not believe in the democratic process when it comes to running a football operation.

Again, this is about Shanahan's will, and we're about to learn just how strong it is when someone challenges him.

By Jason Reid  |  April 7, 2010; 4:53 PM ET
 
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Comments

FIRST to say Snyderatto still haunts the organization

Posted by: 0121 | April 7, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan will get his way. No question. But to be an effective coach, you will have to manage some prima donnas. For example, Gibbs did a great job with Gary Clark.

'My way or the highway' may sound good, but its not the best choice.

The best choice is to find a way to get Albert fired up about getting prepared for the season and to make the best use of Albert's immense talents on the field.

Sometimes you need to recognize you have a unique talent and build a system around him. If you want a hybrid of 3-4 and 4-3, tell Albert he'll be in on the 4-3 plays or at DE on 3-4 plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Shanny needs to park his ego at the curb and find a way to bring the best player on the team back into the fold. Maybe if he stopped dictating to him and tried to find a middle ground, we could keep the most dominant game-changing DT in football around and enjoy the benefit of watching him destroy the other team instead of ours.

This is bordering on stupid.

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If you want someone to show up to workouts, DON'T CALL THEM VOLUNTARY! If you want someone to show up, CALL THEM MANDATORY! Its pretty simple so I don't know why these news articles keep rehashing the same old story of him not showing up. There are plenty of players around the league that don't go to voluntary workouts so get off Big H. I think they would have to be nuts to get rid of him, but thats just me.

Posted by: mgilbo | April 7, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth = overpaid, out of shape, lazy - with self serving view of life, ie., a serious attitude. I say let's bite the financial bullet, get all we can for him, move on, and rid ourselves of the last vestige of the Cerrato regime.

Posted by: bones21 | April 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I think an exception should be made in this case. Shanny didn't do the deal, plausible deniability, but we suck this guy is good and we paid him an s load.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

i cannot see snyder eating $32 million on a player for 12 games of performance. if anything, i can see haynesworth being forced into daily oklahoma drills in 95 degree heat during mandatory workouts and training camp. a player can never win a war with a good head coach, but this could take awhile for albert to get the message.

Posted by: shanafan | April 7, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

First Jason Taylor, one year then out. Not Fat Albert, one year and one foot out the door if they can push him out. C'mon mane, you got 32 mil over 14 months you should try long snapper if they wanted you to. Came out there fat, bad conditioning, sucking oxygen,and now want to have an attitude....psssst, please.

Posted by: hbu_dog | April 7, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I love the way WaPo keeps fanning the flames on this one...

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that the Skins finally have a coach and gm that will dictate how the team is run and not let the players run the asylum as it has been for the past few years.
I personally am tired of the prima donna athletes that think I instead of TEAM

Posted by: Modelchip | April 7, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Shanahan has drawn a line that he can't/won't back away from. Has anyone heard what they're asking in return for Haynesworth? (What's a Haynes worth?)

Posted by: wdb503 | April 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think an exception should be made in this case. Shanny didn't do the deal, plausible deniability, but we suck this guy is good and we paid him an s load.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo, I just had a one hand clapping moment.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010

that should be "one hoof"... and what is the sound?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 5:14 PM

Its not about the sound, its about the moment ... I have no idea what the point was about the ants, but it didn't matter because I started to levitate. It was kind of like when I came to appreciate the true awesomeness of Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I think its all JR hype. Focus on the Draft. This gossip is simple minded journalism.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | April 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

this blog is so funny...reading posts that try and claim they know more than Bruce Allen and Shanny who has 2 rings and well is actually in the profession and at redskins park.

Shanny needs to do this and that...they are dumb to make that move and this move.

But yeah ...all of you know better....know better how to lift a beer to your mouth maybe.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"(And owner Daniel Snyder, obviously, is still the owner.)"


The tower, the tower! Rapunzel, Rapunzel!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 7, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the weakest unit on our team, until the OL disintegrated, was the D-line.

In 2009, the only 'unit' that was better than the DL was our TE spot. We added Orakpo and Haynesworth. Orakpo and Andre Carter thrived -- in part because of Albert.

Why turn one of our strengths back into a weakness?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

(4) the only days of interest to me as a local sports fan are now Days One and Three (and I'm off the hook after about an hour and a half into Day One)

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:17 PM

Not so fast there, sween. Don't box yourself in with your schedule. Remember the draft where they traded down TWICE in the first round before picking Patrick Ramsey? That was like four hours of Mel Kiper.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't seem like Shanahan is treating Portis quite the same way (though Portis did say all the right things when Shanahan came in). If only Haynesworth had said those things ... then they would have signed two additional older, former great DTs to cover for him.

I also have a hard time seeing The Owner sucking up a $32M payment for 12 games ... this might not just be a test of wills between Shanahan and Haynesworth ... this might be a test of wills between Shanahan and The Owner. I think this is the part where Allen comes in and gets something done where everyone keeps getting paid, or at least saves some face.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

i see guys on here throw round words like tiles like 4 - 3 defense and 3 -4 defense.....other than the difference of the alignment of the positions I bet half do not even know what the actual use of the defense is 4. lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how much money he has been paid (that won't effect my bottom line and none of the othe posters on here, its Snyders $$ and he and the Skins have plenty).

If we can recoup some picks for a player who doesn't want to cooperate and play for his team and teammates then f*ck him.

Posted by: digger76 | April 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Its not about the sound, its about the moment ... I have no idea what the point was about the ants, but it didn't matter because I started to levitate. It was kind of like when I came to appreciate the true awesomeness of Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010

hey now, Leigh Torrence is deep stuff... but this too shall pass, like herds of cows floating off into the sunset

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the weakest unit on our team, until the OL disintegrated, was the D-line.

In 2009, the only 'unit' that was better than the DL was our TE spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:26 PM

You said unit.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

anyone who is tired of prima donna athletes should just go ahead and stop watching sports all together, or do what I did and not concern yourselves with their attitudes and just be a fan on gameday.

Riggo was/is a prima donna, start winning and pelle don't care

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling ya, Haynesworth/Landry for Carriker/Atogwe and a ham sandwich (Haynesworth keeps the $21M in exchange for the ham sandwich) and everyone is happy ... and both teams are better team for it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

How is this a test of wills? Haynesworth cashed a 21M check the other day. He has already won. I dont think he would care if he was shipped to Oakland. He has a right to be a bit upset. He was brought here to be a disruptive force in the 4-3 not a 3-4 space eater. Granted he is under contract and as long as he does what he is supposed to do who cares if he complains about it a little bit. An earlier poster had it right, dont get upset if a player doesnt show up to voluntary workouts. If you want it to be mandatory than say so. Shanahan should stop playing childs games to prove a point. Either trade him or accept the fact that he is not showing up to non mandatory offseason activities. Like it or not, even out of position he is easily our best defensive player. If the FO is trying to move him they could find a better way to shop him.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

leevi do you? If you want I will go into the differences between a 3-4 scheme and 4-3 front... but you have to be one of the most annoying posters on here. You bring nothing relvent to the converstion (other than the "i am copying and pasting these comments to bring back when we win this year")... seriously, what is the difference between a 3-4/ 4-3?

Also, Haynesworth. Well, he clearly helped the team. No one argues against that. Was he worth 48 mil over 4 years? Doubtful. Is his attitude a detriment to this new regime and the team? Probably not, but this team has been dominated by the divas for years and I do think its necessary for Shanny to stand up and say no more. He needs to show the players that they can no longer just run to Danny Boy and get what they want. Hes in charge and if you do not obey you will be gone.

I don't see this happening again, I see this as a 1 time thing... he'll make his point. Either ship BFA out or shape him up and get him involved... either way he'll get what he wants, prove his point and the team will be better for it.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

So what would your plan be?

Trade the whole roster for picks?

I think Shanahan is doing the best he can given the circumstances surrounding the number of picks and changes to FA.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 7, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse


Up until a couple days ago, I would certainly have supported trading the bulk of our busted 4-12 roster for picks.

Now that we've gone McNabb, we need to acquire veteran talent now.

We need to keep AH; we probably need to bring in Flozell; we need to get Levi signed.

For Pete's sake, I'm wishing that we would have gotten K.Dansby and Larry Foote in the fold now. We're gonna make a run for a SB in a year or 2 and roll out a defense w/personnel that's never played 3-4 before.

On that note, I hear Jason Taylor is still out there...

Posted by: p1funk | April 7, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you need to recognize you have a unique talent and build a system around him. If you want a hybrid of 3-4 and 4-3, tell Albert he'll be in on the 4-3 plays or at DE on 3-4 plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1

It's a battle of wills. If Shanahan did that now, it's a surrender and he'll lose the team.

Thanks to Snyderatto, and to borrow a legal phrase, he's the "fruit of the poisonous tree."

Dude's gotta go.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

'm telling ya, Haynesworth/Landry for Carriker/Atogwe and a ham sandwich (Haynesworth keeps the $21M in exchange for the ham sandwich) and everyone is happy ... and both teams are better team for it.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse


Landry for Atogwe is a push.

AH for Carriker? Giving up arguably the best DT in football for a guy widely viewed as a bust?

I'm sure that the Rams would jump at the offer.

Posted by: p1funk | April 7, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Shanahan, the enlightened offensive mind behind Elway's eventual success be somewhat flexible? Its the same deal as last year? The guy wants to be a defensive end. Even in the 4-3 that's true? He wants the freedom to make plays not be a road block in someone's lane. That was true in Tennessee. It certainly was true last year.

Haynesworth IS talented and athletic enough to play defensive end? And the Redskins have already sunk millions into his bonus? Let the guy play DE! Use that as a "compromise" to get him to train at Redskins park. Anything else was just a waste of his talents and abilities IMHO.

Sheesh Shanahan and Allen sound just like Allen's dad with Sonny Jurgenson. Its why dad never won a superbowl.

This is crap.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

imagine
carter-suh/mcCoy-hayney-rak/daniels
Great
Now imagine

Carter-golston-suh/mcCoy-rak/dan
Good
And

Carter-golston-monty-rak/dan
ok

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Andy and Czabe had an interesting take on Schefter's report that the Skins won't trade AH.

They noted that Schefter and Shanny apparently have a very close relationship (they authored a book together or something like that).

There's one particular line in Schefter's report:
"The source said Haynesworth is, and will continue to be, the Redskins' starting nose tackle."

Basically the take is that Shanny himself had Schefter issue this. And by specifying that AH will be the starting nose tackle and won't be traded; it's Shanny's way of playing hardball with AH.

You play where we tell you; and we control your future.

Maybe they want AH to pay back some $$ in order to get moved.

Interesting...

Posted by: p1funk | April 7, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

We need to remember this is professional sports and the players and thier union have negotiated cetain rights.

My question is why go to a 34 in the first place? You had a d line last year that was very effective when healthy and had personnel which fit those roles. Not only do you play Haynesworth out of position but you also displace the d ends which worked so well. Given the Haynesworth situation you now have to junk 3 out of the 4 positions on that line... Don't you have enough to rebuild already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: junkmail0153 | April 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

worst free agent signing, EVER.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

We need to remember this is professional sports and the players and thier union have negotiated cetain rights.

My question is why go to a 34 in the first place? You had a d line last year that was very effective when healthy and had personnel which fit those roles. Not only do you play Haynesworth out of position but you also displace the d ends which worked so well. Given the Haynesworth situation you now have to junk 3 out of the 4 positions on that line... Don't you have enough to rebuild already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: junkmail0153 | April 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

anyone who is tired of prima donna athletes should just go ahead and stop watching sports all together, or do what I did and not concern yourselves with their attitudes and just be a fan on gameday.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 5:30 PM

Speaking of prima donna d!kcheads, can we pause for a moment and take a few hours to ridicule Tiki "I just left my 8 months pregnant with twins wife for an NBC intern" Barber?

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a game changer, he's under contract and has been well paid, live with the attitude and work him hard and turn him loose on the other team come sunday. With his talent he can be a bit of a diva, may not like it but that's the way life is.

Posted by: gr8fullted | April 7, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

this blog is so funny...reading posts that try and claim they know more than Bruce Allen and Shanny who has 2 rings and well is actually in the profession and at redskins park...

Posted by: leevi98 |

So you're saying we should have kept our mouths shut when Spurrier and Gibbs 2.0 screwed the pooch?

Look, Leevi, the horse you're beating is not only dead, it's been turned into dog food, eaten, and pooped on your lawn.

The PURPOSE of this board is to exchange opinions. Love it or leave it for Redskins.com.

And for the record, I constantly admit Shanahan has forgotten more than I'll ever know about quarterbacks. And that's what I'm worried about: That shanahan has forgotten more than I'll ever know about quarterbacks.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

My take on what's been done by our front office so far since March 1.

4 choices. Yes, No, in the middle and don't know enough.

The 10 guys they released
Yes to all, though might have restructured ARE for a lot less and Rock for vet minimum. But both were overpaid under existing contracts.

The list of tenders. Yes to all. Get something in trade and they are all good enough to be on the roster.

Alexander and BMW. Mostly yes.

Cuts, Yes (10 times yes)
Tenders, Yes (9 times yes)
Re-sign Daniels, in the middle
Re-sign BMW, Yes, if he's cheap
Re-sign Alexander, Yes
re-sign Rabach, in the middle
Alexander to LB, No
3-4 conversion, No
McNabb trade, No
Hicks, Yes
LJ, No

Grossman, Parker, Sean Ryan, Kemoeato, Buchanan, Bidwell -- I'm either in the middle or don't know enough to make a call.

Age of signings, No
Not wasting big $$ on FA, Yes

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Landry for Atogwe is a push.

AH for Carriker? Giving up arguably the best DT in football for a guy widely viewed as a bust?

I'm sure that the Rams would jump at the offer.

Posted by: p1funk | April 7, 2010 5:39 PM

The Rams are sitting on the offer because they really want to hang onto that ham sandwich.

Also, just stop listening to Czaban and Pollin ... that is exactly what Florio guess was going on early this morning.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

At this point he is going to be booed by the fans. He needs to go. He is a worthless person that just needs to go.

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 7, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

4-12 for $32 million. Not a lot of bang for the buck! Haynesworth had moments where he helped the D-line tremendously, but too often he failed to show up when the game was on the line.

It's time for the Skins to cut their losses. Game, set, match to Haynesworth.

Shanahan knows exactly what he's doing. Why would he be foolish enough to be saddled with the dumb decisions of Cerrato? Huge writeoff, but that writeoff is charged to Cerrato, not to Shanahan and Allen. Smart business move!

Posted by: dannykurland1 | April 7, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of prima donna d!kcheads, can we pause for a moment and take a few hours to ridicule Tiki "I just left my 8 months pregnant with twins wife for an NBC intern" Barber?

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:45 PM

agreed. cows aren't known much for monogamy, but among humans this is pretty uncouth, even if you are a self-absorbed (former) star athlete. such is the perceived power of fame and wealth... makes one wonder what the downward trajectory will be. boo and moo.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, this was 9:30 this morning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/07/redskins-haynesworth-are-suddenly-playing-chicken/

Andy and Czabe, and JReid for that matter, are just getting around to it now.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

IMO the people who think Shanahan should capitulate to Big Al have probably never been a part of a successful business or athletic organization.

No offense, but look at the Redskins over the last 15 years. The only way to fundamentally change this is to NEVER be OK with a player dictating his role/not showing up for camps and workouts etc. Especially days after cashing in for $32 mil over the last 14 months.

It is inherently wrong, in Shanahan's estimation, to allow this to happen, and he is going to ship him out of town, I guarantee it.

I understand we are losing a talent, but we will get picks and we will then have 100% participation in Shanny's program. To me, that is more valuable than a ,low motor, high talent player with a newly fat bank account. Even one as gifted as Haynesworth.

This is how you build teams. In life, business, sports, you need a team that is 100% committed to be elite.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 7, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Test of Wills ... reminds me of an episode of Different Strokes called "Test of Willis."

"Watchu talkin' 'bout, Albert?"

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

leevi do you? If you want I will go into the differences between a 3-4 scheme and 4-3 front... but you have to be one of the most annoying posters on here. You bring nothing relvent to the converstion (other than the "i am copying and pasting these comments to bring back when we win this year")... seriously, what is the difference between a 3-4/ 4-3?

Also, Haynesworth. Well, he clearly helped the team. No one argues against that. Was he worth 48 mil over 4 years? Doubtful. Is his attitude a detriment to this new regime and the team? Probably not, but this team has been dominated by the divas for years and I do think its necessary for Shanny to stand up and say no more. He needs to show the players that they can no longer just run to Danny Boy and get what they want. Hes in charge and if you do not obey you will be gone.

I don't see this happening again, I see this as a 1 time thing... he'll make his point. Either ship BFA out or shape him up and get him involved... either way he'll get what he wants, prove his point and the team will be better for it.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

First of all..I too think your the most annoying poster on here...always negative and acting like your views are the best and no others compare.

Secondly...of course I know the differences between the defenses and if you would like me to explain them in detail...Its gonna take a few hours to break down the comparisons by position and what their jobs are specifically to each defense. but since you think you know more i will do this and type it all down then post by position..Gonna be lots of reading for you and will be pretty detailed
You sure it;s not over your head?

I asked if people knew the difference..you not didn't answer the questions..you tried reverse the question back at me!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

What's a 'draft pick'?

these words confuse me.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"draft pick" means fighting chicken I think in spanish

Posted by: BugEyes | April 7, 2010 4:14 PM

I'm pretty sure it means Whale's vagina

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"A player as talented as Haynesworth?" The guy can barely go a single play without sucking wind and needing oxygen. How's that professional? Put him on the O line and let him try to suck up space and protect the quarterback, something our current O line cannot seem to do. At least then he might be worth some of the money we pay him.

Posted by: alterego1 | April 7, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing.

H didn't show up to voluntary workouts.

S & H have a dispute. S is the boss.

H is getting paid millions to listen to S.

Where is the story?

Posted by: randers001104 | April 7, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Shanahan has drawn a line that he can't/won't back away from. Has anyone heard what they're asking in return for Haynesworth? (What's a Haynes worth?)

Posted by: wdb503 | April 7, 2010 5:21 PM

What line has Shananhan drawn. I have yet to hear him say he does not want Albert.

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 7, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

leevi do you? If you want I will go into the differences between a 3-4 scheme and 4-3 front... but you have to be one of the most annoying posters on here. You bring nothing relvent to the converstion (other than the "i am copying and pasting these comments to bring back when we win this year")... seriously, what is the difference between a 3-4/ 4-3?


Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

you are definitely NOT reading but only certain posts then...cause I post facts a lot of times...I have factly address signing older RBS....QBs over 30 and their success just in the last few days with Documentation to back up my point of views....So well honestly..if you do not like reading my posts...then don't read them! Too easy way too easy

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, this was 9:30 this morning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/07/redskins-haynesworth-are-suddenly-playing-chicken/

Andy and Czabe, and JReid for that matter, are just getting around to it now.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse


Gotcha.

I obviously never read Florio, and I only heard about 5-10 minutes of Andy/Czabe kicking it around on the radio while running an errand...

Posted by: p1funk | April 7, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure it means Whale's vagina


Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:04 PM |

So that's what it means. Well, we could certainly use more of those.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a force to be dealt with when he plays. Too many times, he took himself out of the game when he was needed. If he shows up out of shape,(like he did last year,) Shanahan should run him until he pukes.

Posted by: almelbe | April 7, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Refund? His name is Haynesworth not Nordstrom. As I was explaining earlier to Admiral Z of the USS Disaster, there's no reasoning with a guy who has already pocketed $32M and is owed $9M more. So long as he comes to the mandatory stuff there's nothing they can do to him. This is a no win for Danahan.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We need draft picks not players doing their own thing. I'd back MS 100% and send AH adrift. Can't allow anyone to show up the coach in this case. Notice how invisible CP is? His azz was let go before by MS and that's when he as younger and better.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

OK Skins fans, we've tried it for about a decade with divas and prima-donas. MS is just coming in to clean up Vinny and Danny's mess. He's sticking his neck out, and I think he is setting a tone: either buy in or ship out. Since we've been losing for so long, it's going to take a change of culture--and players--to make things right. Let's give him some respect here. Oh, one more thing, can we do away with those hog-ette freaks in the stands that always get televised? Embarassing.

Posted by: vik805 | April 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone please clarify where the talk of Fat Albert starting at Nose Tackle is coming from. I recall Shanny saying he could play DE or where ever the team thinks is best. Is this coming from a source?

Posted by: cm9876 | April 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

So that's what it means. Well, we could certainly use more of those.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:08 PM

This is spoken like you're a man who is packing a whale's dick.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I decided i don't time and I feel like breaking thisngs down quite in detail to prove a point...frankly..I don't care so here is a quick answer.

the 4-3 defense's 4 down linemen make rushing more difficult by adding one more down lineman to fill gaps.

the 3 -4 uses fast linebackers, sitting back to survey the offensive set, can key in on an inside ball carrier and hit the gaps quickly to offer help to the 3 down linemen when defending the rush. In pass coverage, the 4 linebackers are already in a sitting back position, able to see the patterns develop and cover the short/intermediate pass.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I've got another idea of what to do with Hayney. Put this fat boy through the ringer. Run, run, run his ass and sit him on gameday. You can't hit him in the pockets anymore, he already robbed 'em. Make him play nose. If he tanks bench his ass and run him all day in practice. If he won't then suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team. If I remember correctly after a certain number of these you can start to take some money away. He'll jump on board or ride the pine until no one wants his fat ass.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

So that's what it means. Well, we could certainly use more of those.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:08 PM

This is spoken like you're a man who is packing a whale's dick.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 6:14 PM |

My wife didn't marry me for my money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Putting the money aside here is why Shanny wants Al to be at the "voluntary" workouts...

Not only have they revamped the training, added a new strength and conditioning coach but they have 30 minutes a day of film to get up to speed with the new defensive philosophy and switch to a hybrid 3- 4.

This is now a professional organization with a top notch strength and conditioning program and Fat Al is choosing to be "trained" by a dude that graduated from Golds Gym. He had 100 million reasons the last time he trained with him, now what is his motivation? He needs to be there, no exceptions and no excuses.

He has agreed to be at the mandatory mini camps and we are NO DOUBT better with him but with regards to Haynie...I'm down with whatever Shanny wants to do.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the weakest unit on our team, until the OL disintegrated, was the D-line.

In 2009, the only 'unit' that was better than the DL was our TE spot. We added Orakpo and Haynesworth. Orakpo and Andre Carter thrived -- in part because of Albert.

Why turn one of our strengths back into a weakness?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:26 PM
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What is the sound of a 4-12 season?

It is the sound of some individuals having career years while the team falls apart.

Remember - Albert "best D lineman in the league" Butterworth 2009:

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 7, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 7, 2010 5:59 PM

Never understood why people try to compare the corporate world and professional sports. Two different worlds. I will say this even in the corporate world not every one is treated the same. Everyone knows of someone in their office who gets away with murder and for all intensive purposes the rules dont apply to them. This is because they are important/valuable to the organization in a way that others are not for what ever reason. Ideally everybody should be treated the same but its ridiculous to think that London Fletcher is held to the same standards as HB Blades. This situation between Haynesworth/Shanahan is no different. The biggest problem last year is that the FO was stupid enough to make their head coach a lame duck by week two so everybody was doing their own thing. AH hasnt done anything wrong, he doesnt have to be happy about where he plays as long as he does without disrupting anyone else. So give it a rest with the get rid of AH because he doesnt bow down to Shanahan the way that some of you do.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Why turn one of our strengths back into a weakness?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:26 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What is the sound of a 4-12 season?

It is the sound of some individuals having career years while the team falls apart.

Remember - Albert "best D lineman in the league" Butterworth 2009:

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1

because the biggest strength of a TEAM is being a TEAM. AA have to buy in to get there.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, that said, I agree ... it is an interesting theory ... and it makes perfect sense.

I have a new ham sandwich idea ... taking the Atogwe/Landry exchange out the equation.

Supposedly (supposably?), there are four likely candidates for a Jason Campbell trade: Oakland, Buffalo, Jacksonville, and Charlotte. ESPN 980 (Snyderadio) says there is a fifth "mystery team."

I think the Rams dropping Bulger f's everything up on any dickering or deals or leverage that Campbell's agent might have had ... at least until Bulger gets re-signed.

The one place where Bulger is NOT going to sign is St. Louis. Releasing Bulger supposedly means that the Rams definitely are picking Sam Bradford. Bradford, however, doesn't want to play where he's going to get killed ... he wouldn't even think about signing with the Rams before the draft ... was ready to be psyched for the Skins to move up and save him. He'd be able to sit behind Campbell for at least a year, Grossman if necessary after that. blah blah blah.

The new ham sandwich is whether the Rams have to couugh up a second or a third round pick to sweeten the deal that sends Carriker to Washington ... in exchange for Campbell and Haynesworth (who is NOT giving back the $21M, esp. if he has to go to St. Louis).

Until Bulger re-signs, the only active negotiation on Campbell has to be with St. Louis. Allen holds out to recover the second round pick ... Devaney says third round ... they both wait to see who loses out btwn Oakland, Buffalo, and Carolina (Jacksonville sticks and holds its breath that Tebow drops in order to save the franchise).

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

ALL, not AA. ??

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I love the way WaPo keeps fanning the flames on this one...

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2010 5:20 PM |
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lol, yep, WaPo is my favorite newspaper but they cover the Skins like a supermarket tabloid.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | April 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R was that you who wrote the email to Redskins Nation condemning Shanahan for not contacting JC when the trade went down with McNabb?

Posted by: TWISI | April 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

ALL, not AA. ??

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 6:27 PM

Quite the slip, Eh? Vodka and Sodas for all my friends...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

AH has not done anything wrong. These are voluntary sessions. Having said that, any honorable person who just cashed a $21M check should do anything and everything to help make that team better. Period. AH has shown he is anything but honorable.

This will probably get uglier before everything is said and done. Good news for RI cuz RI likes drama.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Quite the slip, Eh? Vodka and Sodas for all my friends...

Posted by: Diesel44


Will you be serving those this Sunday?

Vodka and Red Bull, if you don't mind. Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R was that you who wrote the email to Redskins Nation condemning Shanahan for not contacting JC when the trade went down with McNabb?

Posted by: TWISI | April 7, 2010 6:29 PM

Is Pope Benedict XVI Catholic?

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a game changer, he's under contract and has been well paid, live with the attitude and work him hard and turn him loose on the other team come sunday. With his talent he can be a bit of a diva, may not like it but that's the way life is.

Posted by: gr8fullted | April 7, 2010 5:46 PM
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4-12.

How many of those games last season did he change, exactly?

Posted by: hithere1 | April 7, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Is Pope Benedict XVI Catholic?

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:37 PM |

Gotta like her conviction

Posted by: TWISI | April 7, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is a force to be dealt with when he plays. Too many times, he took himself out of the game when he was needed. If he shows up out of shape,(like he did last year,) Shanahan should run him until he pukes.

Posted by: almelbe

you missed the post taht Hayney had the second most plays of any d lineman on the skins

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Finally...after 11 years the "R" word was mentioned by someone high up in the organization...FINALLY...and what do some of you do...

You still f*ckin' complain!!! You jackazzes complained for 11 years cause Snyder wouldn't hire a GM. We now have one and you're still bitc*in!

It's o.k. to be skeptical, but don't be stupid! The difference with bringing in these old guys is...they are cheap, have something to prove and won't cost us anything to cut if need be. PORTIS IS ON NOTICE!

I STILL CAN'T FUGGING BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE STILL COMPLAINING!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What is the sound of a 4-12 season?

It is the sound of some individuals having career years while the team falls apart.

Remember - Albert "best D lineman in the league" Butterworth 2009:

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 7, 2010

moo to that... the herd is either a formidable team under a strong bull, stampeding everything along its path, or a bunch of cows meandering around and eating grass. AH is just eating grass. despite his skills, how many wins did he get us?

and just so you know, despite the moniker, there is no love lost between cattle and cowboys (@ the 1:20 mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAXwhuWl00o

F cowboys

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

4-12.

How many of those games last season did he change, exactly?

Posted by: hithere1

ask Carter and Orakpo and their 21 sacks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

repeat after me - "VOLUNTARY"......AGAIN - repeat after me - "VOLUNTARY"....... jeeeeeeeeesh.....

I'm more worried about our plans at backup QB.....

Posted by: dah1963 | April 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Will you be serving those this Sunday?

Vodka and Red Bull, if you don't mind. Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010 6:37 PM

Red-

This is from earlier today. I thought you were already cool with our plans. Let's go over it again.

I don't often drink beer but when I do...

Quantity: Keers (Coors) Light
Quality: Guinness

Since I'm know for my sausage: I'll bring those
Since your wife is known for her buns: She can bring those sweet buns
Since you are known for your many rolls: You can bring those

Don't worry about L-S...the only thing he drinks is prune juice and Metamucil

So I'll see you this Sunday morning @ 9:00 am. If I'm late just hang there in your #56 jersey patiently.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Is nose tackle really that different from DT that you would refuse to play it? That just seems like a really petty reason to turn your back on the team that just paid you $21 million. C'mon Albert, just man up and play for your team and your teammates, if not for the sake of loyalty, money, and the Redskins fans. Whats the BFD?!?!?

Albert could be a Pro-bowler at nose tackle and we'll never find out because of this "test of wills" BS.

Posted by: jimwest20 | April 7, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

My God. The guy just received $21 million and he doesn't want to show up for work? There is something really, really, really wrong there, and if you can't see that, well...

Posted by: tmkelley | April 7, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Will you be serving those this Sunday?

Vodka and Red Bull, if you don't mind. Thanks.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010

red bull... yum

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

@pabrian2003:

Respectfully I ask: what did AH's "dominance" get the TEAM in 2009?

Rhetorical question. The Answer:

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows of someone in their office who gets away with murder and for all intensive purposes the rules dont apply to them. This is because they are important/valuable to the organization in a way that others are not for what ever reason. Ideally everybody should be treated the same but its ridiculous to think that

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This isn't to start an English lesson or debate because I don't know the answer to this but isn't it intents and purposes as opposed to intensive purposes? I've seen it both ways but don't know which is correct.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

What about "Head" Coach is not understood? Its not a democracy. And the last thing this team needs is a out-of-shape, fat-ass petulant, clown trying to disrupt things.

Hand him a doughnut to go with his parting gift and don't look back

Posted by: erthdog | April 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh Shanahan and Allen sound just like Allen's dad with Sonny Jurgenson. Its why dad never won a superbowl.

This is crap.

Posted by: periculum

Well, Sonny never did run George Allen's offense, but the reason Allen didn't win a SB with Sonny was that SJ9 was usually injured before the season ended. When Sonny played, he played brilliantly.

I just took a look at his games from his last season, at age 40. He played in 7 games, had a QB rating of over 90 in 6 of them. The irony is that the one game under 90 came was easily the most memorable. A duel of HOF QBs with Griese and the Fins, and a rematch of SB, but with Sonny instead of Billy. SJ9 threw 3 picks in the 1st half in his first start of the season. After the rust came off, Sonny was unreal. His QB rating might have been perfection in the 2nd half. 19 for 25 for about 240 yards and 2 TDs. Game winning TD pass with 10 seconds left to win.

Yeah, RFK rocked that day!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

@pabrian2003:

Respectfully I ask: what did AH's "dominance" get the TEAM in 2009?

Rhetorical question. The Answer:

4-12.

Posted by: hithere1

then cut everyone from last year, what did Orakpo's play get us

4-12

nice try

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

4-12.

How many of those games last season did he change, exactly?

Posted by: hithere1

ask Carter and Orakpo and their 21 sacks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Good one pabrian!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

was unreal. His QB rating might have been perfection in the 2nd half. 19 for 25 for about 240 yards and 2 TDs. Game winning TD pass with 10 seconds left to win.

Yeah, RFK rocked that day!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Where do you find those games? I'd love to see them.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This isn't to start an English lesson or debate because I don't know the answer to this but isn't it intents and purposes as opposed to intensive purposes? I've seen it both ways but don't know which is correct.

Posted by: scampbell1975

For years, I believed it was intensive purposes because that's how it sounded, though it made no sense. One day, someone say intents and purposes ... it it made sense. All these year I misunderstood the words because of the way people innunciate, err, anunciate, err, announciate, err, the people say it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM

I just started to notice your posts about a week ago and for some reason they make me laugh. You offer some substance while tying in the Bovine family of animals. Well Done although I prefer my cows medium and think Rodeos are a tad Brokeback Mtn.

This is much better than Rotfrau pretending to be German or Risa_L pretending to be African American.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Here’s a player who got big bucks and it went straight to his head.

Oh how quickly a star can fade...

Posted by: 4Jaxon | April 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanny needs to park his ego at the curb and find a way to bring the best player on the team back into the fold. Maybe if he stopped dictating to him and tried to find a middle ground, we could keep the most dominant game-changing DT in football around and enjoy the benefit of watching him destroy the other team instead of ours.

This is bordering on stupid.

Posted by Edvar

This statement reflects a very uninformed opinion regarding organizational management.
Haynesworth has cashed more checks in the last 14 months from the redskins, than the next best player at his position will in the next 4 years. He should be happy to be a cheerleader if that is what is asked of him. He has been injured for a quarter of the season and has whined since he got here.
Making this a-hole happy by conceeding would produce only more demands for concessions from him and others. Anyone who is stupid and impulsive enough to stomp on someones head with cleats in front of 3 million people is a scumbag, almost without exception.

Thanks cerrato/snyder you muffugin 'tards.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Again, this is about Shanahan's will, and we're about to learn just how strong it is when someone challenges him.

By Jason Reid | April 7, 2010; 4:53 PM ET

Better yet, this is about Shanahan's ego, not will, and we're about to learn nothing! Albert Haynesworth is not going anywhere, Shanahan have to find a way to safe face and learn to manage an all pro best on his team. Dexter was more troublesome, Gibbs did a fantastic job to manage him, he didn't trade him away! Voluntary is not a must, it is what it is, not mandatory, did Shanahan's ego understand English?

Posted by: abxinc | April 7, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

In defense of Haynesworth, he came here with the agreement that he would play a 4-3. The 3-4 is a career ender for nose tackles. I like Shan but I think AH is correct.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 7, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

this is SO great, I love this. I love seeing Shanny's boot up fatboy's overpaid ass, so funny.

but really, you have to hand it to fatboy, he took The Danny for so much money for basically nothing that it puts a perfect capper on the pile of sewage The Danny gave us as a team and GM last year. go fatboy, I can laugh since I'm not a season ticket holder and I don't buy merch.

hope fatboy loves it up there in Detroit, the lazy F. new sheriff in town, lazy rich fatboys hit the road LOLOL

Posted by: greatteamdan | April 7, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Better yet, this is about Shanahan's ego, not will, and we're about to learn nothing! Albert Haynesworth is not going anywhere, Shanahan have to find a way to safe face and learn to manage an all pro best on his team. Dexter was more troublesome, Gibbs did a fantastic job to manage him, he didn't trade him away! Voluntary is not a must, it is what it is, not mandatory, did Shanahan's ego understand English?

Posted by: abxinc

Why do you post here man.
I hope someday you have to deal with someone like big al, who is stupid spoiled and greedy.
Yea, I sure this is all about Shanny so he can personally "safe face," and not about what will make the TEAM better.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to be fired...he is already alienating the best player

Posted by: TerpfanMA | April 7, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Albert must go. The coach is in charge. The player must play whatever position the coach wants, for the good of the team. There is no "I" in team. He doesn't want to play nose, he doesn't want to workout with the rest of the team. Fine. TRADE HIM. TRADE HIM NOW.

I would rather have a hungry younger player than this lazy turd. With Albert gone, it will be the end of the Vinny era for the most part. Further, it sends a strong message that there is a new sheriff in town.

Posted by: gatorz | April 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

These problems happen every year and the media blows them up like it's a major problem and it's not. Besides the Wapo reporters have no inside information on the Skins. If they did they wouldn't copy and paste all there stories from PFT.

Until you hear something from Shanny or AH this is all BS.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I pay pretty good attention to Skins news and I don't remember Haynesworth ever saying he doesn't want to play NT. Show me a quote or video where he said that...

Jasno makes this crap up and others repeat until the fan base is incensed! I thought he was finally gone, but his NFL.com reports continue to originate total BS about the Skins players and organization.

I believe Haynesworth said he always trains (in AZ) with a personal trainer. And I'm willing to bet he's not the only veteran player who will skip the voluntary workouts. If the coaches have a problem with that clause; then they should ensure the owners make the mini-camps mandatory in the next players union contract negotiation...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT's CRYSTAL BALL:

I predict a ton of young players and undrafted FA's in camp...that's where we'll get our youth.

I predict we will have young QB in camp to groom for the future.

I predict that the Skins will pick Eric Berry if they pick up Flozell Adams

I predict Clinton Portis will be a stud this year...not because I like him, but because he's a guy who performs best when doubted.

I predict the Redskins will be better than 4-12.

I predict that Mike Shanahan will show the team the "swinging gate" play to get a laugh from the team when times get rough.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to be fired...he is already alienating the best player

Posted by: TerpfanMA

IQ less than room temperature.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Well Done although I prefer my cows medium and think Rodeos are a tad Brokeback Mtn.

This is much better than Rotfrau pretending to be German or Risa_L pretending to be African American.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010

I like my cows rare... or should I say be saying that? Not there is anything wrong juicy, succulent cows...

RisaL and Rotfrau are surely cows, in the worst sense of the word.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to be fired...he is already alienating the best player

Posted by: TerpfanMA | April 7, 2010 7:10 PM |

Maybe your right but I don't think so.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Where do you find those games? I'd love to see them.

Posted by: westjr88

That Miami game is burned into memory. I could do the play by play of the final drive from memory.

The stats I get from
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

It is a great site for looking up records and stuff. Lots of stuff and its very well put together

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I totally disagree with you. Have you ever heard a player say "This is a business?" I have...thousands of times.

There are too many similarities between pro sports and professional business too even debate you. You have your take and I have mine. (Mine is clearly right).

I don't know where you work, so I can't comment, but if you have people doing what you indicate, then at the very least there are co-workers who are resentful of that person, thereby undermining organizational integrity.

Don't get me wrong, I know it happens. Hell, it happens in the NFL...see Jimmy's old Cowboys for a prime example. All I'm saying, is that it is not going to happen under Shanahan. That's his mantra here.

In summary, this is not about AH bowing down to anyone. It's about him being respectful of the money and the chain of command he is working under. He is not doing that to Shanahan's liking, so he will be gone. No use in arguing, that's just the facts, regardless of what you or I think.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 7, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't often drink beer but when I do...

Quantity: Keers (Coors) Light
Quality: Guinness

I'll punish all the Guinness.

Since I'm know for my sausage: I'll bring those

Man, what they called bratwurst? Yeah throw some of them on that grill with the steaks, burgers, shrimp, ya dig?

Since your wife is known for her buns: She can bring those sweet buns

No wifey. *pause*

But you should tell your wife to bring those two uber bubblicious watermelons I likes to get down on.


Since you are known for your many rolls: You can bring those

I don't cook.
No here rolls.
I don't snitch...

The only rolls I know about is the many times I rolled out some.. you know.. when you done ya biz with a lady, and you roll out???

Maybe you don't.

Don't worry about L-S...the only thing he drinks is prune juice and Metamucil

Damn.

So I'll see you this Sunday morning @ 9:00 am. If I'm late just hang there in your #56 jersey patiently.

Man, I'll be in "regroup" mode Sunday @ 9:00 AM. I might have to catch you another time, G'. Why would you be late? Are you fu_king those trannys again, dude?

And I don't even fu_k with Lavar at all.

Posted by: Diesel44

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do you post here man.
I hope someday you have to deal with someone like big al, who is stupid spoiled and greedy.
Yea, I sure this is all about Shanny so he can personally "safe face," and not about what will make the TEAM better.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 7:10 PM

Anyone with business acumen will tell you, never throw your ace away until you find a comparable replacement. This is supposed to be a voluntary and not mandatory work out. I will never fire an ace employee for not showing up for voluntary meeting; I will simply blacklist such employee for future termination if and when a suitable replacement is found.

Posted by: abxinc | April 7, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in team.

Posted by: gatorz

but there is a 'me'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

And Albert is not our best defensive player. How many times do you see him lying down sucking wind during a game, or on the sideline missing plays.

Granted, he had some good plays, and helped others look better, but he certainly did not take over any games last year.

Further, Albert is not a leader. Being the best means on the field during the game, and offseason working out with the team, for the good of the team, including doing what will help the team be better (such as playing nose, working out with the team).

He has a new coach and a giant salary. He should be trying to impress the heck out of the new staff.

Posted by: gatorz | April 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Just stop it J. Reid. ESPN shot down your AH trade speculation, so now you have to stir up a Shanny vs. AH controversy so you have something to write about. We're getting tired of it.

Posted by: unquiltom | April 7, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone with business acumen will tell you, never throw your ace away until you find a comparable replacement. This is supposed to be a voluntary and not mandatory work out. I will never fire an ace employee for not showing up for voluntary meeting; I will simply blacklist such employee for future termination if and when a suitable replacement is found.

Posted by: abxinc | April 7, 2010 7:20 PM |

The difference is you can't trade your employee, the Redskins can.

There is no one on a 4-12 team who is not replaceable.

For people saying that a coach can't act this way it works well for Bill B. and it worked fine for Parcells.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in team.

Posted by: gatorz

but there is a 'me'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 7:21 PM

only in anagrams... then what do you do with the "t" and "a"? ta ta AH

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what kind of training program AH has. With all of the sucking wind, he didn't have very much stamina last season.

Posted by: gatorz | April 7, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

4-12. Everyone knows that that record is all Jason Chumpbell. Every loss can be pinned on him. Everyone jumps on the O-line but it's my contention that his slow feet and poor decisions made them look worserest than they likely were. Werer. Seriously though, I do think he made the O-line look far worse than they were. Glad to see him leaving...

Posted by: hand_of_doom | April 7, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to be fired...he is already alienating the best player

Posted by: TerpfanMA

IQ less than room temperature.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 7:12 PM

Monkeymayo- It was like 85 outside today, he appears to be a Terps fan and he did spell alienating correctly.

I'm thinking he's that dude from the movie Memento were he has short term memory loss and can't make any new memories after his head injury. The accident happened in 2008 and he was a Broncos fan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010 7:19 PM

Not your best, but solid. I'll give you a B because I like ya...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you need to recognize you have a unique talent and build a system around him. If you want a hybrid of 3-4 and 4-3, tell Albert he'll be in on the 4-3 plays or at DE on 3-4 plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. There's only one gamechanger on defense. You use him, you don't get into a battle of wills with him. You might not like your inheritance, but you do your best with it. Shanny's driving Haynesworth's value down. That's not good coaching.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 7, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

gatorz, who, then, is our "best" defensive player, as you see it? London? I'm guessing you're going with London. Or maybe Rak. But I'd bet either of those guys would swear on a Bible that Albert made them better last season.

The 4-12 record wasn't on Albert, it was on the offense, starting with Jim Zorn and including the O line and, yes, Jason Campbell.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanny needs to park his ego at the curb and find a way to bring the best player on the team back into the fold. Maybe if he stopped dictating to him and tried to find a middle ground, we could keep the most dominant game-changing DT in football around and enjoy the benefit of watching him destroy the other team instead of ours.

This is bordering on stupid.

Posted by Edvar

This statement reflects a very uninformed opinion regarding organizational management.
Haynesworth has cashed more checks in the last 14 months from the redskins, than the next best player at his position will in the next 4 years. He should be happy to be a cheerleader if that is what is asked of him. He has been injured for a quarter of the season and has whined since he got here.
Making this a-hole happy by conceeding would produce only more demands for concessions from him and others. Anyone who is stupid and impulsive enough to stomp on someones head with cleats in front of 3 million people is a scumbag, almost without exception.

Thanks cerrato/snyder you muffugin 'tards.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise

Actually, your comment shows a very uniformed understanding of organizational management. Very few situations should become 'my way or the highway' which is what you're suggesting.

Good management finds ways to address these issues effectively. Pretty much every business has a set of rules that are different for their stars. There are lines that no one can cross, but not attending voluntary workouts doesn't seem like one of them.

Does Albert have a point about a 4-3 vs a 3-4? Don't really know. But Albert was the best in the biz at one point and he should want to be used in the way he can be most effective. Mgmt should be looking at what he did -- both how he prepared and how he was used -- in order to make him the best in the biz again.

Why? Isn't it more important to optimize the team instead of one player? Usually, yes. But for a few situations, optimizing a great player is the same as optimizing the team. In the year Albert was the best DT in football, his defense was 2nd best in points allowed, 4th in turnovers and 5th in sacks. Albert was the key to that defense. Optimize Albert and the defense will be very good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you need to recognize you have a unique talent and build a system around him. If you want a hybrid of 3-4 and 4-3, tell Albert he'll be in on the 4-3 plays or at DE on 3-4 plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. There's only one gamechanger on defense. You use him, you don't get into a battle of wills with him. You might not like your inheritance, but you do your best with it. Shanny's driving Haynesworth's value down. That's not good coaching.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 7, 2010 7:36 PM |

I believe these were Shanny's exact words that AH would be used in many different ways.

All this other crap is made up by Reid to get posters like you to sit and argue back and forth about it. That equals more post which makes Cindy happy and keeps Reid employed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is the head coach and Fat Albert is a player. Fat Albert is an overly paid player who does in fact take downs off (when he chooses) and is oft injured. The Redskins under the prior regime made a huge mistake getting Fat Albert for the big money.

Is it sane to correct an issue or to just paint it over?

Fat Albert needs to get it through his fat head that he is not THE BEST player on the team. BEST PLAYERS are the ones who OVER ACHIEVE, play every down they are asked, and who make their team better. Fat Albert fails on two of those accounts and it is debatable if the team is better off with his Prima Donna attitude or without him.

I certainly hope the Redskins offload this human debris and focus on the concept of a team rather than a collection of individuals. It would cost the Redskins dearly to offload him, but that is the bed that was made and the sooner we deal him out of town, the better the TEAM will be.

It could be asserted that we should stay a 4-3 defense just to allow cry baby to have his way, but if the coaching staff finds that in this era a 3-4 is better suited to their ends, then cry baby needs to suck it up and play or get the heck out of Washington.

I have no sympathy for a lazy, half-stepping, overpaid, overrated, and mediocre player (and if you only play when you want to you are mediocre). He may be awesome on one or two downs a half, but he was marginal on other downs.

Cut the dead weight and make this truly a Redskin team that is a team! This is one of the times when "my way or the highway" is appropriate.

Of course Fat Albert would be welcome if he acted like an adult. Short of that, put his fat butt on a flatbed and send him out of the area.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 7, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

AH has not done anything wrong. These are voluntary sessions. Having said that, any honorable person who just cashed a $21M check should do anything and everything to help make that team better. Period. AH has shown he is anything but honorable.

This will probably get uglier before everything is said and done. Good news for RI cuz RI likes drama.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2010 6:33 PM

Here. Here. Here (best English accent).

Posted by: smokeybear2 | April 7, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm too "good" to think of real spiteful sh*t to say.

It's cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

coaches coach and players play. Haynesworth showed his true class by stomping on a defenseless opponent. The mistake was paying him all of that money to bring his loser attitude here. Thanks cousin vinnie. When a new coaching staff comes in with new schemes, the leaders on the team should be leaders and set the tone to get a jump on the changes. Haynesworth is not a leader, he is a rich, spoiled, me first, loser. How quickly you folks forget what it was like when the players had no discipline. Gibbs did handle Clark, but benched him when he got carried away, he never let Clark get away with the crap that asswipe is pulling.

Posted by: Phillip258 | April 7, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I’m against the Redskins trading Albert Haynesworth. When he plays (25 plays per game) he is bar none the best DL in the game. Ask Brandon Jacobs what he thinks of AH.

When he played he was a huge force stuffing the run and tying up blockers and creating opportunities for Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo (21 sacks). Could it be that all this talk of him being traded, overpaid, and being the worst FA signing ever is motivating him? If you are dead set on switching schemes and Haynie doesn’t fit, then you make it work.

Make Haynie happy and he will dominate at his position and continue to make everyone around him better. We bought Haynie high, no need to sell him low. Hug it out with him and see if his stock can rise and bring the rest of the D with him.

For the record I was against signing Jason Taylor, Haynesworth, and trading for McNabb. Since two of the three are here might as well make the most of it since I root for the uniform and not the people wearing it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Two coaches who have coached well in the free agent era are Parcells and Shanny. Their philosophy is my way or the highway. It works for them. Get rid of the bum Fat Albert for whatever you can get for him. Allen and Shanny are trying to build a consistent winner and they will not be able to do so with the likes of Fat Albert on the team. He is a Cerrato blunder and he has to go.

Posted by: pjente | April 7, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan shouldnt be mad at Haynesworth- he should be mad at Snyder and Cerato and the NFL. I don't understand how fat Albert went from kicking someone in the fact and almost being kicked out of the NFL, to one it's highest paid players. It's shear insanity. That said, sit in Haynesworths shoes at this point and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing he's doing. He's got his money, now he can either a)play in a system he doesn't fit into, a year after he specifically tried to go somewhere that didn't have such a system, or he can b)follow his contract to the letter of the law, but express his displeasure with being a nose tackle, only show up for mandatory activities, and take $30+ million for one years worth of work, and then get traded to a better situation for him, where they will build around him and probably give him either more money. If you were his friend or advisor, which option would you choose? Don't hate the player, hate the game- literally. This crazy NFL free agency and the Redskins misguided use of it are what created the situation...

Posted by: jmadams | April 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that Haynesworth is unstoppable when in the game. I hope he stays and contributes.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that Haynesworth is unstoppable when in the game. I hope he stays and contributes.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Look,It's obvious,Albert likes his millions more than he likes to be a TRUE team player.It's a brotherhood. ! If he can't accept that fact,then it's time to make a move!,can't have negativity on the D line and be successful, or at any position for that fact! I say take the loss ( let it be a reminder ) and boot his ASS. !!!

Posted by: killerskunk63 | April 7, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Shanny needs to park his ego at the curb and find a way to bring the best player on the team back into the fold. Maybe if he stopped dictating to him and tried to find a middle ground, we could keep the most dominant game-changing DT in football around and enjoy the benefit of watching him destroy the other team instead of ours.

This is bordering on stupid.

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse
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I'm sorry the coach always plays dictator. There is no way a coach, at least a coach worth his/her elk meets the player halfway. I've never played for a coach like this. I don't get why the Shanny/Albert thing is...well a thing. You play the way the coach wants or you don't play, doesn't matter what level your playing.

Posted by: clark202 | April 7, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually the problem doesn't lie principally w/ either Shanahan OR Haynesworth. It lies with the team's owner. Hear me out on this one. Shanahan is a disciplinarian, a strict, old school type of coach. Anyone who's followed his career knows this. Before Shanny arrived, Snyder allowed the players (cough, Portis) to bypass the coaches and come directly to him w/ their concerns. He also completely emasculated Zorn by stripping him of his authority. The result of all this: The players learned not to respect the coaches and the "organization" disintegrated. So what we're seeing is Shanny being Shanny and Haynesworth, who learned last year, that he could blow off the coaches, acting out his conditioned behavior learned last season. TRADE SNYDER!

Posted by: randysbailin | April 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Look,It's obvious,Albert likes his millions more than he likes to be a TRUE team player.It's a brotherhood. ! If he can't accept that fact,then it's time to make a move!,can't have negativity on the D line and be successful, or at any position for that fact! I say take the loss ( let it be a reminder ) and boot his ASS. !!! Oh Yea,heeeeey heeeey heeeey!!!!

Posted by: killerskunk63 | April 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Shanahan is the coach so he is in charge. We have heard from a lot of players about how in the past certain players had special treatment and how that effected the attitude of the team. As a result the team underachieved. The collective bargaining agreement only allows you to have a certain amount of mandatory workouts or practices, so right now they are "voluntary." My question is, why wouldn't Albert WANT to be here more? I don't buy that its simply because he wants to use his own trainer and regimen. A few others, like Philip Daniels are using their own program and incorporating the team's approach. As for Gibbs having to handle certain players like Gary Clark, thats apples and oranges. Gary Clark was a pain because he wanted the ball on every passing play. In Joe Gibbs first run he had a rule where if you couldn't practice so much during the week, you didn't play on Sunday. Gary Clark practiced hurt and always showed up on game day. Somewhere along the line Gibbs changed his approach and players, particularly Clinton Portis wouldn't practice, yet would play on Sunday.

Posted by: jwat2410 | April 7, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry the coach always plays dictator. There is no way a coach, at least a coach worth his/her elk meets the player halfway. I've never played for a coach like this. I don't get why the Shanny/Albert thing is...well a thing. You play the way the coach wants or you don't play, doesn't matter what level your playing.

Posted by: clark202 | April 7, 2010 8:20 PM

now elk is real Idaho talk... look at the most successful herds around the league. usually (but not always) someone with real criadillas is in charge.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 7, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Why are people raggin on J. Reid? Nothing about this post is untrue, John Clayton has a pretty good story on it too. Al could make this work if he wanted to. I hope he's around next year and the "training" he's doing on his own will pay off. Regardless of what team he plays for, if he pulls that lazy sh_t he will never be mentioned in the same breath as Reggie or Bruce. Neither of them ever loafed.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | April 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Charles Haley had similar attitude issues. Jimmy Johnson found a way to reach a mutually beneficial solution. In order for Skins to win SB, they need Haynesworth. There types of players are not dime a dozen. Find the middle ground, win the SB.

Posted by: SeedofChange | April 7, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

This is a story all too predictable.

Some sweaty fat guy plays hard for a season or two until he is given a monster guaranteed contract with a big bonus.

Sweaty fat guy never plays hard again.

The real mystery is how a guy like Danny got so rich in the first place.

Shanahan should pull the handle and flush the sweaty fat man because he'll never get the sweaty fat man to do anything.

Posted by: krankyman | April 7, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

we're probably stuck with AH and JC as VC made Al Davis look brilliant. Ughhh!!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

A couple of comments on what the Skins are doing.

1. The McNabb trade is risky - he is aging and somewhat prone to injury. But the top two QBs available in the draft are no slam dunks either, Bradford from the injury standpoint and Clausen from the leadership point of view. Plus there is always the risk of not performing at the next level, something you don't have to consider with McNabb.

2. If the Skins had the top pick would Shanahan still have done the McNabb trade? Interesting question we probably won't ever know the answer to.

3. Shanahan's war of wills with Haynesworth is ill timed from the perspective of the need to win now with all the talent you have while McNabb is still in his prime. But how good is Haynesworth, especially if he is taking the money and running? He did improve the defense but he wasn't a difference maker and he was noticeably out of shape last season. The Skins D still has a serious problem with not enough turnovers, which acquiring Haynesworth didn't seem to make a dent in.

4. Shanahan inherited a team that had no discipline or self control. He needs to crack the whip to let each player know that they have to turn over a new leaf and rededicate themselves to playing the game the way it should be played.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

we're probably stuck with AH and JC as VC made Al Davis look brilliant. Ughhh!!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 7, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan can meet the player halfway and give up none of his authority. If I'm Shanahan, these are the sorts of things that he could say:

"Albert I want to run the 3-4, but I'll also use a 4-3. If the 4-3 works better when you're on the field, that's what we'll do. Prove it to me on the field. Its in your hands to show me. But you also need to give the 3-4 your best shot when you're out there in the 3-4. When we see what works best, that's what we'll do. I'm going to do what works best for this team and I expect you will do the same."

On the workout issue:

"Albert, I'm not thrilled with your choice of workouts, so convince me what you are doing is the best thing for you to get in shape. I gotta say, I didn't like what I saw last year and I hope you weren't happy with it either. I want to see you doing what you did in 2008. Dominate your position. Here's what I'd like. Bring your conditioning coach up here and meet with our conditioning staff. We'd like to look over the program and understand it. We're also going to want feedback from your guy, and if he's that good, hopefully we can learn from him. I'm not be thrilled with what you are doing right now, maybe its because I don't understand it. Me and the guy that just signed a big checkl to you will be much happier if I know I'm going to get the best from you this season."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

A couple of comments on what the Skins are doing.

1. The McNabb trade is risky - he is aging and somewhat prone to injury. But the top two QBs available in the draft are no slam dunks either, Bradford from the injury standpoint and Clausen from the leadership point of view. Plus there is always the risk of not performing at the next level, something you don't have to consider with McNabb.

2. If the Skins had the top pick would Shanahan still have done the McNabb trade? Interesting question we probably won't ever know the answer to.

3. Shanahan's war of wills with Haynesworth is ill timed from the perspective of the need to win now with all the talent you have while McNabb is still in his prime. But how good is Haynesworth, especially if he is taking the money and running? He did improve the defense but he wasn't a difference maker and he was noticeably out of shape last season. The Skins D still has a serious problem with not enough turnovers, which acquiring Haynesworth didn't seem to make a dent in.

4. Shanahan inherited a team that had no discipline or self control. He needs to crack the whip to let each player know that they have to turn over a new leaf and rededicate themselves to playing the game the way it should be played.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Again, this is about Shanahan's will, and we're about to learn just how strong it is when someone challenges him."

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Heh-heh. This is too much like when Zorn got in CP's grill.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 7, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Charles Haley had similar attitude issues. Jimmy Johnson found a way to reach a mutually beneficial solution. In order for Skins to win SB, they need Haynesworth. There types of players are not dime a dozen. Find the middle ground, win the SB.

Posted by: SeedofChange | April 7, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse
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Charles Haley respected his coaches it was other players he rubbed the wrong way. He had an issue with Seifert after he punched Steve Young for mouthing off to him. But all his coaches loved him especially Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson.

The Redskins do not need Haynesworth in order to win a SB, especially if they move to a 3-4. The pressure on the QB is a totally different mentality from a scheme perspective. If he doesn't want to be the NG fine, there are people who do and will.

Posted by: clark202 | April 7, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

A couple of thoughts on this matter:
1. This was a 4-12 team, no player should be beyond trade consideration. If some team offers a great deal for Haynesworth it should be considered. If not they should keep him. I hope they don't give him up cheap.
2. I can understand Shanahan's disappointment with Haynesworth. I can understand if he had already set up a program based on his experience from last year but you would think he could make some kind of compromise and spend some time at the park especially considering:
- The team was 4-12
- The defense was good but not dominant
- Haynesworth was not an all pro
- Haynesworth was not a pro bowler (even as an alternate)
- New HC
- New defense coaches
- New defensive scheme

However, until Shanahan states he is getting rid of Haynesworth or he is traded I will assume that they will work this out.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 7, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 7, 2010 8:54 PM

Even the most disagreeable folks on here would have a tough time not agreeing with you..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"This is too much like when Zorn got in CP's grill."

There is a singulal difference, though:

Zorn in CP's grill is like a bug hitting a Mack Truck's egotisical windshield.

Shanahan in Prince Al's grill is like an army ant up an lazy elephant's azz.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If you were paid handsomely by corporate America and griped about what you were told to do you would be bounced out quicker than eye lash...Being paid handsomely does not equate with that person calling the shots...the ones who paid you call the shots....

Posted by: pentagon40 | April 7, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Sweaty fat guy never plays hard again."

This is so true.

So having an advanced degree in psychology, I suggest an incentive-based approach:

We attach greasy cheeseburgers, instead of carrots, on sticks in front of the fat guy's helmet.

If the chance to get a snack doesn't motivate him, nothing else will.

Unless, of course, we find another pile of money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree Shanahan MIGHT be heavy handed but so was Lombardi, Parcells and a few others..Crying was not allowed so Big Albert should just suck it up and play his best no matter where he is lined up...that would be the manly thing to do but since Albert has difficulty even paying child support guess it's asking too much to be a man all around....

Posted by: pentagon40 | April 7, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I like trading for McNabb better than I liked the idea of drafting a QB.

But the idea that I liked more than trading for McNabb was this: Use the #37 overall to get an OT, hopefully to go along with the OT we pick at #4. Use the 3rd rounder from 2011 to get the C we need to replace Rabach.

We got a good QB with and the odds say we get about 4 seasons from McNabb, 2 of them strong seasons. But we closed off 2 good opportunities to address our biggest problem. Plus, if someone dangles a trade where the compensation might be a 3rd or 4th rounder in 2011, we can't make that deal since we don't know whether the 3rd or 4th rounder is what we'll need to send philly.

fwiw, Peter King had an excellent point about the #37 pick. It gets used very early on day 2, after teams have gotten a chance to see what happened on day 1. Many things can happen in round 1 that will change the approach to round 2 & 3. The #37 pick may get some pretty good trade offers between the time when rounds 1 ends and when round 2 begins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"....Crying was not allowed so Big Albert should just suck it up and play his best no matter where he is lined up..."

The history lesson notwithstanding, there's an even less complex way to put Prince Al in his place.

Sit him down and point out that a high paid, hig profile player is seen as a leader by a re-building franchise.

And so where the player may want train on his own, he should show up to set the proper example.

It's just a matter of professionalism and leadership, not 'coach v. player' will.

And if a guy doesn't respond to ownersip desiring him to lead, then it was an idiotic move to give him a pile of money in the first place.

But we've already established that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has 32 million, he does not care.

Posted by: jmy999 | April 7, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling if you asked O lineman who had to "block" Hayneswoth, "did he seem out of shape"? The response would be, "didn't seem like it to me" or "I hope not because he was kicking my arse"

RI a couple a days ago said al played the 2nd most number of plays of any of our D line, behind only Carter.

I understand what shanny is doing, but I hope it ends with big al on the field in burgandy and gold

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has 32 million, he does not care.

Posted by: jmy999 | April 7, 2010 9:18 PM

Shanahan has everything to lose, everything to gain. He does care.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 9:19 PM

Seems to me a middle of the road OL named Jason Brown called him out BEFORE they played and 92 proved him right.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Finally...after 11 years the "R" word was mentioned by someone high up in the organization...FINALLY...and what do some of you do...

You still f*ckin' complain!!! You jackazzes complained for 11 years cause Snyder wouldn't hire a GM. We now have one and you're still bitc*in!

It's o.k. to be skeptical, but don't be stupid! The difference with bringing in these old guys is...they are cheap, have something to prove and won't cost us anything to cut if need be. PORTIS IS ON NOTICE!

I STILL CAN'T FUGGING BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE STILL COMPLAINING!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Best post in years!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Props to JReid for actually getting a scoop this time. It's about time.

Props to Shanahan for showing the inmates who really runs this asylum. This isn't just about whether Haynesworth stays or goes, or shows up to voluntary mini-camps or mandatory camps. It's about who has the juice. Right now, Shanny's got it, and he's going to use it. Our "most talented" defensive player last year helped us to a 4-12 record. After going 4-12, no one is untouchable...except Orakpo. He's so dreamy...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan has everything to lose, everything to gain. He does care."

Gotta question:

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

There was never any talk of moving Taylor, either.

Is Prince Al worthy of such treatment by a new head coach who is trying to also set a new tone at Redskins' Park?

That's for you to answer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

the goal is to get better, starting at 4-12, it shouldnt bethat hard. A lot of people seen to think getting rid of your most talented players is the way to get better.

Attitude is great, but here on earth, we need talent.

Gandhi great attitude bad football player
haynesworth bad attitude great football player

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

the 4-3 defense's 4 down linemen make rushing more difficult by adding one more down lineman to fill gaps.

the 3 -4 uses fast linebackers, sitting back to survey the offensive set, can key in on an inside ball carrier and hit the gaps quickly to offer help to the 3 down linemen when defending the rush. In pass coverage, the 4 linebackers are already in a sitting back position, able to see the patterns develop and cover the short/intermediate pass.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:15 PM

I already knew this much. But what's an "under front"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503634.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

the goal is to get better, starting at 4-12, it shouldnt bethat hard. A lot of people seen to think getting rid of your most talented players is the way to get better.

Attitude is great, but here on earth, we need talent.

Gandhi great attitude bad football player
haynesworth bad attitude great football player

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Finally...after 11 years the "R" word was mentioned by someone high up in the organization ...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 6:39 PM

Remind me again, which "R" word would that that be?

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan has everything to lose, everything to gain. He does care."

Gotta question:

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

There was never any talk of moving Taylor, either.

Is Prince Al worthy of such treatment by a new head coach who is trying to also set a new tone at Redskins' Park?

That's for you to answer.
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I believe that was Taylor's rookie year, and he matured years later well beyond that. So much to the point that the relationship between Gibbs and GW was pretty much father/son. Gibbs even said that losing Taylor weighed heavy on him and was a factor in his decision to retire. Albert is a seasoned vet playing well into his career. He knows better.

Posted by: clark202 | April 7, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

if i was haynesworth i tell them to trade me but i'm not giving nothing back, and as far as making him do drills in the heat this ain't toby. remember these r men ur talking about. the coach is a coach not a dictator.

Posted by: kd6300 | April 7, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

No DLman is going to be able to play full out every play, especially when they are double and triple teamed. That is why the teams with good DLs rotate players. As a coach I would prefer a player who goes all out for as many plays as possible but then asks for a rest so a fresh player can be brought in. I watched almost all the Redskin games last year and don't have a problem with AH's play, although I don't think he played to his full capabilites, he did play most of the time at a high level.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 7, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe any self-respecting fan could not want Shannahan to take a hard stand here. (Either you get rid of Fat Albert or your make clear to him that if he stays he will play nose whether he likes it or not.) This sh*t has been going on far too long with this franchise, and finally we have someone willing to put an end to it. I don't care if it costs us games next year, letting the rest of the organization know that Shanny is not going to put up with a bunch of crap from anyone (even the highest paid player) will do wonders for the Skins in the long run. Same thing with the RB situation. It is freakin' about time that professional coaches/front office took control and served notice to the players that they run this ship.

Posted by: mknight1 | April 7, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of bloggers on this board are jealous of Haynesworth. There is no reason to be as upset as some of you are. He is not showing up to voluntary workouts. Keep in mind we dont know who is going to be playing FS, ILB, DE, OLB for that matter, so how would his presence affect the team one way or the other. If AH shows up out of shape when training camp starts then he will pay for it. The reality is that Shanahan needs Haynesworth more than he needs him. He already got his big bonus. He can either work with AH or continue to drive down his trade value by bad mouthing him in the press. Start complaining when he doesnt show up to training camp. AH showed enough respect to show up to the first day, and let Shanahan know his plans. This is much ado about nothing. Shanahan needs to spending his time trying to find someone to protect his qb and stop playing passive aggressive mind games through Schefter.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

For almost a decade this organization has traded high draft picks and acquired older FA veterans and ignored the draft. And everyone cheered each year as they did so.

Each year the team won the offseason. Fans were giddy.

Then when the season began and the injuries mounted and the players failed and the team had no backups or young players to step in, everyone was upset.

Then the next offseason, the same thing occurred. Picks were traded, older veterans given enormous contracts and the draft put aside.

And the team failed again. Injuries mounted, key players failed to produce and once again the team had no young nucleus to save the season.

So we fast forward to 2010 and the team, now under new new management, is trading picks, signing older veterans and, so far, not rebuilding with a young nucleus.

And the same people who yelled when the team was ignoring the draft, ignoring young player development are now cheering the same moves that this organization has done for a decade.

Moves that failed. Year after year after year.

But this time, it will work. Shanahan will coach them better. New blocking schemes will turn re-treads into stars. Et cetera, et cetera.

Okay. Let's hope so.

Only, forgive us for being a bit sceptical because we've seen this act before. In fact, numerous times.

And it doesn't turn out well.


Posted by: SteveMG | April 7, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Mayock seems to think Williams would be the better pick for the Redskins instead of Okung

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/williams-could-be-mcnabbs-protector-at-no-4/

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 7, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

At the start of Gibbs, part 2, S Taylor avoided St Joe's phone calls, and showed up to mandatory practices fit and ready to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:28 PM |

Taylor's suthority issues live on today in the likes of Landry, Rogers and others. When you consider that Portis and Arrington were also around at one point or another to make their contributions to team spirit and camaraderie it amazes that Gibbs 2.0 teams accomplished what they did, misfits and all.

Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse


Haynesworth has 32 million, he does not care.

Posted by: jmy999 | April 7, 2010 9:18 PM

Shanahan has everything to lose, everything to gain. He does care.

Posted by: League-Source | April 7, 2010 9:20 PM

But not caring beats caring every time. Caring is a sign of weakness. The only reason I go to work every morning is fear (well, and to blog and drink free coffee). Fat Albert has nothing to fear.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

the 4-3 defense's 4 down linemen make rushing more difficult by adding one more down lineman to fill gaps.

the 3 -4 uses fast linebackers, sitting back to survey the offensive set, can key in on an inside ball carrier and hit the gaps quickly to offer help to the 3 down linemen when defending the rush. In pass coverage, the 4 linebackers are already in a sitting back position, able to see the patterns develop and cover the short/intermediate pass.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:15 PM

I already knew this much. But what's an "under front"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503634.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Read your link..They already answered that in the article

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

As much as Albert Not My Money's Worth annoys me with his poor conditioning and lack of leadership...

It is what it is.

Our defense was much improved last year as a result of AH. Just ask Andre Carter what he thought about playing on the same line as the big fella.

I would hate to see us lose AH, and revert back to the days of being completely unable to pressure the opposing QB.

That being said, the guy bugs me.

Please Albert...

I implore you to increase your level of professionalism and commitment to the game that has made you a very rich man. You'll feel better about yourself -- and the coaches, fans, and your teammates will also feel better about you.

Thank you.

You may proceed to hurt people.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

the 4-3 defense's 4 down linemen make rushing more difficult by adding one more down lineman to fill gaps.

the 3 -4 uses fast linebackers, sitting back to survey the offensive set, can key in on an inside ball carrier and hit the gaps quickly to offer help to the 3 down linemen when defending the rush. In pass coverage, the 4 linebackers are already in a sitting back position, able to see the patterns develop and cover the short/intermediate pass.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 6:15 PM

I already knew this much. But what's an "under front"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503634.html

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Read your link..They already answered that in the article

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse


if you want to know what i think the under front is well it was a technique used at best in Tony Dungy's Tampa 2 defense... where you slide the defensive tackles away from the strength of the offensive formation instead of playing them in even alignments over the offensive guards. This "under shifted" front makes it very difficult for the offensive line to double team the 3-technique, or in this case, under tackle.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

RoundToes

Your "Posted by: RoundToes | April 7, 2010 9:54 PM" re-upped itself well over 30 times.

Talk about double-post ecstacy!

That's got to be some kind of record.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for Shanahan in this. Big Al ought to act like a real man and do what his bosses tell him to do. Most poeple would get fired for not doing their jobs or telling their bosses what they will or will not do. So hey Albert shut up and do your job which is to play nose tackle if that's what the team wants you to do.

Posted by: rmilton | April 7, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"....Crying was not allowed so Big Albert should just suck it up and play his best no matter where he is lined up..."

The history lesson notwithstanding, there's an even less complex way to put Prince Al in his place.

Sit him down and point out that a high paid, hig profile player is seen as a leader by a re-building franchise.

And so where the player may want train on his own, he should show up to set the proper example.

It's just a matter of professionalism and leadership, not 'coach v. player' will.

And if a guy doesn't respond to ownersip desiring him to lead, then it was an idiotic move to give him a pile of money in the first place.

But we've already established that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 9:16 PM |

Great post!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for Shanahan in this. Big Al ought to act like a real man and do what his bosses tell him to do. Most poeple would get fired for not doing their jobs or telling their bosses what they will or will not do. So hey Albert shut up and do your job which is to play nose tackle if that's what the team wants you to do.

Posted by: rmilton | April 7, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

round toes = suspended

in a perfect world everyone is like art monk, walter payton, etc, etc.

in turn making guys like art monk and walter payton average joes


let me know how that perfect world thing works out for ya, I'll be here in 'crazy reality land' with the humans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of bloggers on this board are jealous of Haynesworth.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 7, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt that. I think most are just sick of the losing and the disfunction, and Al has become the poster boy for that. He took the pay, but is not willing to go the extra mile that his employer is asking for. What don't you understand?

Hard working people that support this team have spoken, and 75% of us want him gone for picks last I checked the poll.

You have made your stance known, we'll see how it plays out.

My money is on Shanahan over Haynesworth 8 days a week.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 7, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think this has more to do with the way JREID feels poor little JC has been treated and just to start some mishmash.

JC was offered a tender - he has not signed the tender so he is effectively not part of the team until he has signed his tender.

He was tendered as a 1st rd. Not very realistic but says we not sure you are gonna be the long term answer but well give you a year to show what you can do.

His play last 2 years, which is on tape for all teams to see, not all that stellar. Get good amount of yards, not too bad on td's, pretty good on int's, but can't seem to close the deal in wins. Part is from Zorns playcalling, but any QB who eyes an uncovered safety on the LOS and doesn't adjust (not once but twice) has a lot of question marks in my mind.

Again, I don't think that there is too much to this except JREID and his manlove for JC.

If AH shows up for MANDATORY mtgs, practices in great shape, there will be no story.

JREID is turning into JLA on his reporting about the SKINS. Never seem to report anything good and get a lot of negative rumormongering going.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 7, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

So the "under front" looks something like this

TE T G C G T
DE NT "UT" DE


With the strong side (TE side in this diagram) guard essentially uncovered, the defensive line has shifted away, or under shifted, from the strength of the offensive line. The strong side defensive tackle plays over the shoulder of the center and the weak side end plays a loose 5-technique outside the tackle, leaving the weak side defensive tackle (our 3-technique/under tackle) isolated against a guard. In many ways, on passing downs, you've schemed yourself a third defensive end.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"I would hate to see us lose AH, and revert back to the days of being completely unable to pressure the opposing QB."


Those who shout "Trade Haynesworth!!" haven't noticed that after releasing Griff, we're already down a defensive tackle.

Even if you move Al and draft a rookie, you still got issues:

Daniels is old, Kemo not truly healthy, and Montegomery not living up to his size and potential.

We asked this before and no one answered:

Given the present mediocre state of the skins' defensive tackle rotation, might Haynesworth have us over a barrel and thus warrant a pass?

That's for you to answer.

I'd say yes: He's got the money, and we ain't got the bodies to replace him.

He and Haslett should have a sit down about his role, and we all move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanny needs to rid the team of AH. He is selfish and must go.

Posted by: sonofliberty09 | April 7, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

i can't do the spacing on this blog put the line ups together

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for Shanahan in this. Big Al ought to act like a real man and do what his bosses tell him to do. Most poeple would get fired for not doing their jobs or telling their bosses what they will or will not do. So hey Albert shut up and do your job which is to play nose tackle if that's what the team wants you to do.

Posted by: rmilton

actually people who are that much more talented than other people are the people that get to be diks and NOT get fired, in any profession. It's the talentless diks that CAN'T act like that

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan said the "R" word...REBUILDING!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 7, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

i posted multiple times last year in defense of Haynesworth's conditioning, where is his back-up, Monty???

Monty was the biggest waste of space on the roster last year, Hayney contributed.

our QB sack production went way up, it's gotta be due to Haynesworth, there is no other logical theory. it wasn't Blache's scheme or the blanketing coverage

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2010 10:12 PM

Quit it Moe..

Whatever they are paying you ain't enough.

You can't keep giving these posts away for what 2.50 a pop. Talk to Cindy, because you are due. If she won't pay your freight then threaten to hold out.

They'll come around sooner than later..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Long story short...the 3 - 4 is a good defense to use and I agree and see why the new d cord thinks we have the personnel to run it and we do.

1972 Dolphins were the first to use it...Tampa bay under Dungy used it at best...the Redskins are one of two teams who have never used the 3 - 4

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

This is a very simple matter. Buttersworth will eitherr play NT or he will be traded. It's that simple.

The culture of the team is changing and Shanny is not going to have people challenging is authority. It's a simple thing of leadership and accountability.

In the military there is a chain of command. If you bypass that chain you end up in the brig or stockade. The same thing is being implemented here. Shanny is a 5 star general and he'll be **** if he let's some private come in and think he's running the show.

As McNabb said the other day, it starts from the top down. Either you are a part of the problem or a part of the solution.

#4 - Okung Okl. St. will be a Skin

Posted by: ajb1094 | April 7, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

mock draft analysis 365 mocks

#1 - Bradford 59%, Clausen 22%, Suh 19%
#2 - Suh 50%, Okung 30%, G.McCoy 19%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 51%, Suh 28%, Berry 15%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 34%, Clausen 30%, Bradford 21%, Bulaga 4%, G.McCoy 2%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 30%, Okung 24%, Bulaga 21%, Davis 5%, Campbell 5%, McClain 4%, Williams 3%
======================================
Looking good for Okung at #4

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 7, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan needs to chill out. Hanesworth can play this game, Shanahan has about 25 players he needs to worry about; not big Albert. The 100 mil is not out of his pocket. Everyone is overpaid, including coach and his baby boy.

Posted by: elderdave1 | April 7, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

for kids and grown up alike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8X5tu4BZIQ

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

And by the way Okung is a Lion. Just don't ya'll to be heart broken come draft day.

Posted by: elderdave1 | April 7, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Dump the bum...let him go...fine with me.
I give Snyder and Shanahan and Allen my respect for their willingness to spend the money and move forward without this dumbbell.

Posted by: Rocananda1 | April 7, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

All this concern about trading a second round draft pick and a conditional pick next year for a pro bowl quarterback with tons of playoff experience. I truly don't get it.

People are ignoring that we still have some chips to play with to get more picks this year. First, we don't need two starting tight ends. You know who needs one starting tight end? NE. Who's their tight end? Algae Freaking Crumpler. What's the guy, 40 or so? I think it's fair to say Cooley or Davis would be an upgrade for them. They have THREE second round picks.

Also, SF has two mid to late 1st round picks, would probably love to move up to get Suh if available at 4, and I imagine would take Campbell as an upgrade over Alex Freaking Smith. Our 4 and Campbell for their two first rounders?

Also, I wouldn't count out dealing Rogers. Or even Landry.

Finally, a lot of good prospects that teams will be coveting will be available at 4. At least TWO of these guys are going to be available at 4: Bradford, McCoy, Suh, Okung, Berry.

My point is, we are in a prime position to trade players and that 4th pick for multiple picks, and think that's exactly what we're going to do. We'll come away with McNabb and two new tackles.

Also, the talk about getting rid of Haynesworth is crazy. The guy irritates me with his I'm hurt routine 4 times a game...but he wants to win, he plays hard when he plays, and he's dominant that 50% of the time. We made our bed with him and now we need to sleep in it. We get rid of him, our pass rush goes back to being pathetic. I'm absolutely opposed to getting rid of him (read "cutting off our nose to spite our face"). Also, why does he have to play Nose and not End? Didn't we just sign a Nose? Don't we have Golston? I'm sure we can meet in the middle. Listen big Al, you play Nose some, you play End some, you sit your fat behind on the bench and pretend to get your ankle looked at while you catch your breath some. And when we need you earn that money and go flatten Romo, we'll let you know. That's the deal for your thirty gajillion dollars.

Posted by: brianearman | April 7, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Long story short...the 3 - 4 is a good defense to use and I agree and see why the new d cord thinks we have the personnel to run it and we do.

1972 Dolphins were the first to use it...Tampa bay under Dungy used it at best...the Redskins are one of two teams who have never used the 3 - 4

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:22 PM

Leevi-

We do not have the personnel to run a 3-4 yet. This is why we are going to run a HYBRID 3-4.

Dungy is famous for the TAMPA TWO which is a standard 4-3 with four linemen, three linebackers, two cornerbacks, and two safeties. Typically, the TAMPA TWO features players that don't have the prototypical size of other NFL defenders. Instead, stress is put on speed, smarts and flawless tackling. A quick defensive line is a must, whereas a stout DL is a must in a 3-4. The middle linebacker position is the straw that stirs the drink in the Tampa Two while the key to a 3-4 is the NT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Mock drafts

100 most recent
#1 Bradford 98%, #2 Suh 61%, #3 McCoy 62%, #4 Okung 50%, #5 Bulaga 38%

50 most recent
#1 Bradford 98%, #2 Suh 60%, #3 McCoy 58%, #4 Okung 52%, #5 Bulaga 42%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 7, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

This is a very simple matter. Buttersworth will eitherr play NT or he will be traded. It's that simple.

The culture of the team is changing and Shanny is not going to have people challenging is authority. It's a simple thing of leadership and accountability.

In the military there is a chain of command. If you bypass that chain you end up in the brig or stockade. The same thing is being implemented here. Shanny is a 5 star general and he'll be **** if he let's some private come in and think he's running the show.

As McNabb said the other day, it starts from the top down. Either you are a part of the problem or a part of the solution.

#4 - Okung Okl. St. will be a Skin

Posted by: ajb1094 | April 7, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse


couldn't agree more ajb!

Posted by: mknight1 | April 7, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins may end up having to eat a $32 million Turkey sandwich. Believe me turkey wasn't my first choice of words. Fact: this guy is the best dlineman in the league. Unfortunately a man no matter how talented he is can ruin himself through his own stupidity. Albert has never been a team player and he never will be!!!

Haynesworth only cares about the plays he can make for himself. Too bad no defense can be successful trying to set up 1 player to make plays.

Albert can be had in a trade for 3 yrs at about 16 million. Nobody wants him!!!!

No matter how great he plays on the field the man hurts teams more than he ever helps them.

I say tough lesson learned. cut him!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | April 7, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

How do you feel about Flozell? Let the hate begin!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/redskins-show-interest-in-adams/

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 7, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Tampa ran the 3-4 before Dungy and Kiffin came to town.

Dungy/Kiffin are big time 4-3 guys

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 7, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I am in town (DC) for work and watching Redskins Nation in my Hotel. Now I am no huge fan of Larry Michaels but he just laid the wood on what I am 87% sure is RI's own Lisa R about this horsecrappe issue of Shananhan "not calling JC" (boo hoo).

Wow when you get made to look silly by L. Michaels.....well its time reexamine your position.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I too thought Okung was going to DET. However, I now think that was a smokescreen.

I think both Rams and Lions having been trying to force Redskins to trade up to get player that Skins want. Either Bradford or Okung.

But now we do not have the the picks to make it happen, so you see them doing other things like cutting Bulger.

If you look at the DET sports sites, they are locked on Suh to fix the D-line issues much like is with the O-line.

They think adding Suh will make the whole defense better ala Big Al.

So, I'm now going Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Okung now

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 7, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

No matter how great he plays on the field the man hurts teams more than he ever helps them.

Posted by: skins91r | April 7, 2010 10:51 PM

-------

No matter how great plays on the field?

We did not finish 4-12 because of AH, nor in spite of him.

Losing the big fella would not be a case of addition by subtraction, rather --subtraction by subtraction.

We don't need him to be a Prince. I'd settle for a 10-20% improvement in his off the field attitude.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Again,

Listen to DMac talk.

Listen to AH talk.

Any questions as what to do with him?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 7, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"We did not finish 4-12 because of AH, nor in spite of him."

He also did not help them win any games and he's the highest paid player on the team.

He's a big let down, he whined, and cried. He got paid and didn't want to play anymore. There's really nothing to talk about here, he needs to go.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 7, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

What was the point again, ray?

I missed that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

No discussion. Sorry to say I haven't read any of your posts but just had to jump to the bottom to voice my opinion. Coach Shan is in charge-f what ah or any other roster squatter thinks or says. You will do as directed or be gone. Pretty simple. Ok, just got back from league night (no reflection on you LS, I'm a bowler) and might of had a few drinks. FIRST to say I'm glad there are adults in charge of the front office and my blasted dishwasher was finally repaired. (by me). Still laughing about the Prokey Pine comment a couple of days ago. HTTR BEEP F'ing BEEP

Posted by: wireman65 | April 7, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

ok first of all you corn_holes that think you know EVERYTHING need to find something productive to do in your lousy lonely pathetic lives. Is fat albert a beast? yeah.......sometimes, when hes in shape and not being a lil biatch, which hes doing right this very moment. If you have a NEW coach and a NEW offseason workout program AND you just cashed a 21 million dollar check your fat lazy self centered a_ss better be there with your teammates! End of discussion. There is nothing wrong with how Shanahan is handling this. I dont care if they trade him. yeah we will be losing a very good DT, but if hes not on board with the new coaches and his teammates hes not worth the headaches he is gonna cause thru out the season. All of you who think Shanahan is out of line need to put down the crack pipe.

Posted by: SkinEm1 | April 7, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

One D Lineman ain't gonna single handedly win many games for any team.

When he was out there, Big AL was beastin'

We lost 12 games for a myriad of reasons, and he wasn't one of them, although I agree he's overpaid.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

No matter how great plays on the field?

We did not finish 4-12 because of AH, nor in spite of him.

Losing the big fella would not be a case of addition by subtraction, rather --subtraction by subtraction.

We don't need him to be a Prince. I'd settle for a 10-20% improvement in his off the field attitude.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 7, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree, first off, in a 3-4 you don't need a overpaid, out of shape, attitude problem on your Dline. They are there to eat blocks and allow the LBs to make plays. IF Albert won't buy in to the team and to what Shanny is building get him out of here. I'm tired of overpaid underperforming malcontents on my team. If we can turn him into two or three quality offensive line prospects (I've seen predictions of his trade value anywhere from a 1,3, and 5 to a 2 and 4) we'll be better off than keeping his attitude and drama on the team. Is he better than any dlineman we have? Of course, but in this system dline is nowhere near as important as it was in the past and if he won't buy in get him out of here. Nothing would show this locker room that its get on board and be "team first" more than trading Haynesworth. If he could be moved a week or two after getting 21 mil, who won't be shipped out of here if they butt heads with the coach. That is a culture we've sorely lacked for a decade.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 7, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

DET faces Jared Allen. Twice a year.

Stafford missed 6 games in 2009 due to his shoulder injury.

DET guaranteed him $42mil (more than we guaranteed Albert)

If I'm DET, I take the best LT in the draft.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

listen up there Chia.

The Skins record had little if nothing to do with Albert. He did however play like a beast when he was in there and you need look no further than Arakpo and Carters sack totals to know that.

His play is not the problem. I can even live with him being out of shape.

The problem is Albert wants to be the defensive coordinator as well!! He's good but not that good.

If you need an explanation as to why any player no matter what the talent level is useless to team/coaching staff he doesn't want play for then you don't know much about football.

Posted by: skins91r | April 7, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Without question Det is taking Okung.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Zeke-

Without question Det is taking Okung.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

right that's why they just acquired Rob Sims to play guard and have nowhere to move Backus now.

From ESPN:

We were always skeptical of the rumors indicating that the Detroit Lions would do anything aside from drafting Ndamukong Suh at No. 2 overall, but it's been like whack-a-mole; every time a rumor that they're taking Russell Okung gets squashed, another one bounces up in its place.

But according to Brian VanOchten of the Grand Rapids Press, the team appears "locked in" to taking Suh at No. 2. He argues that the recent acquisition of Rob Sims to play guard is a further indication that Jeff Backus is going nowhere; VanOchten does note that it's possible the team will go after a new franchise LT in 2011, hopefully not with another Top 2 pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 7, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Referencing AH..
No matter how great he plays on the field the man hurts teams more than he ever helps them.

I say tough lesson learned. cut him!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | April 7, 2010 10:51 PM
======================
I say Shanny and Allen keep fat Albert, if for nothing else, as a irritating reminder to Dan Snyder of what happens when he and his stooges try to play "GM".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Long story short...the 3 - 4 is a good defense to use and I agree and see why the new d cord thinks we have the personnel to run it and we do.

1972 Dolphins were the first to use it...Tampa bay under Dungy used it at best...the Redskins are one of two teams who have never used the 3 - 4

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 10:22 PM

Leevi-

We do not have the personnel to run a 3-4 yet. This is why we are going to run a HYBRID 3-4.

Dungy is famous for the TAMPA TWO which is a standard 4-3 with four linemen, three linebackers, two cornerbacks, and two safeties. Typically, the TAMPA TWO features players that don't have the prototypical size of other NFL defenders. Instead, stress is put on speed, smarts and flawless tackling. A quick defensive line is a must, whereas a stout DL is a must in a 3-4. The middle linebacker position is the straw that stirs the drink in the Tampa Two while the key to a 3-4 is the NT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Diesel you took that out of context...you saw the closing comments about the differences between the 3 - 4 and 4 -3 in an under front situation.

You are right though.... what you copied and pasted from wikipedia is correct to an extent but the Tampa 2 was created off the same concepts...The Tampa 2 is run out of the usual 4-3 defense, but every player is responsible for his own gap up on the line and drops a middle linebacker into deeper coverage. The design behind the Tampa 2 was to stop the West Coast Offense.

the reason i tied that particular defense with the 3 -4 is because certain ways Tampa 2 works also applies to the 3 - 4 especially when you are talking about "under front". fast linebackers, sitting back to survey the offensive set, can key in on an inside ball carrier and hit the gaps quickly to offer help to the 3 down linemen when defending the rush. In pass coverage, the 4 linebackers are already in a sitting back position, able to see the patterns develop and cover the short/intermediate pass.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 7, 2010 11:34 PM

You quote espn and that means what.

Backus is going into his 11th year of an undistinguished career.

Rob Sims is a fringe starter/depth guy.

The first 3 picks are all be set.
1- Bradford
2- Okung
3- McCoy

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 11:43 PM

And you were wrong even though you copied from wiki as well.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

We do not have the personnel to run a 3-4 yet. This is why we are going to run a HYBRID 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

interesting.... the HYBRID 3-4 is Belichick's style of the 3-4.

So that would not make since cause a true 3-4 is easier to run with less or not the right players than the HYBRID 3-4. The key to the HYBRID 3-4 is flexibility of personnel. To be able to effectively switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to a dime defense and all points in-between requires versatility at nearly every position. Players have to be able to run and cover and hit. Linemen have to be strong enough to hold the point in the 3-4, but get up field in a 4-3. Defensive backs have to be very good in zone coverage but competent in man coverage when needed. It requires a special skill set, but also an above-average football IQ.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM I hear ya.

The sad thing is a man took a $21 million check and then turned to the folks that gave it to him and said "sorry don't wanna play nose, don't wanna play a 3-4. WOW!!!

He could take up 2-3 blockers on every down playin nose, but NOOOOOOO. Albert wouldn't get as many tackles and almost no sacks doin that, no matter how much it helped the Redskins to win it doesn't matter to Albert.

Biggest free agent bust in history!!!

That's your legacy Albert!

Posted by: skins91r | April 7, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 7, 2010 11:34 PM

You quote espn and that means what.

Backus is going into his 11th year of an undistinguished career.

Rob Sims is a fringe starter/depth guy.

The first 3 picks are all be set.
1- Bradford
2- Okung
3- McCoy


Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:52 PM

assume an inability to trade back. Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga? both are just a touch of a reach but screw it, gotta be one or the other.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 7, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 11:43 PM

And you were wrong even though you copied from wiki as well.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse
it has nothing to do with being right or wrong. We are talking about defenses and the different ways to use them...and the many variations of each.....Where is this right or wrong thing coming from?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 7, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

criminy, we might end up lookin' at Backus after post-draft cuts.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 8, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:52 PM

that would be really nice if we could indeed run the HYBRID 3-4

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 7, 2010 11:52 PM

Anyway...We are both Skins fans and apart of the Nation....So we should be buddies! :) I'm not here to fight...Only thing i have against anyone on this blog is negativity and complaining about the saem stuff over and over again....It gets old....

we have a new FO who has a plan and they are slowly putting it together. So i am not going to blame the new because of the old and their mistakes.

So I'm choosing to be positive and supportive until we see the finished product.

CHEERS DIESEL! My favorite player too! :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

leevi-

Sorry dude. I'm not trying to pick on you. Some people are addicted to things far worse than football. So I guess we're both lucky in that respect.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is no different than B.O. You have an overpaid idiot who thinks he is entitled to be treated above all others. We now have a GM, a coach, and a quarterback(like em or not) who are proven leaders. The idiot parade is over. Cerrato's gone.Larry Johnson and Willie parker are here to push the other malcontent. Jeez! These guys can't even take pride in themselves and practice.
Practice, man. Talkin bout PRACTICE!

Posted by: baggfull | April 8, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

What does it say about the previous(?) Dan Snyder that he gave up his checkbook to a malcontent like Haynesworth, but does his best to run a person like JC out of town. If history repeats itself, JC will come back to FedEx field and beat the 'Skins when it hurts the most, or even better get that SB ring before Snyder does.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 8, 2010 4:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if it's a test of wills so much as an acknowledgement by Shanahan that Albert doesn't want to play on this team.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 4:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of Haynesworth being called a Diva. He is at the top of his profession. In EVERY other profession, ESPECIALLY those involving entertainment, the top performers and earners get MORE, not LESS, input on what they are asked to do, even when they are under contract. If John Wayne's studio told him he's doing bedtime for Bonzo, I'm very sure there would be plenty of "the hell I wills". He would have eventually done it, but he would have argued about it, cursed about it, and probably not put his heart into it. And if Frank Sinatras label has said, hey Frank, lets give the pipes a rest for a couple of years, and you'll just sing background on our other artist's records. How about Shanny? I'm sure he was given assurances not written into the contract about how much power he will have. What if Snyder renegs on that? What if Snyder hires a real hands on GM who makes all the personel decisions regardless of what Shanny says? Will Shanny snap to attention, whip of a sharp salute, and say, Yes Sir!? If Michael Jordan was told he was going to be moved to point guard and instructed not to shoot more than 10 times a game, do you think he'd be a diva for raising a hissy fit? I'd actually be disappointed in Big Al if he just rolled over and said, sure, I'll sit my 100 million buttocks in the trench and sumo wrestle on the line of scrimmage the next two or three years. The man is not a scrub nagging to start, he is a phenomenal talent wanting to be allowed to reach his potential. Just like any highly accomplished professional in ANY field. And about the VOLUNTARY workouts, like previous posters I ask Shanny, does he understand the concept of voluntary, or does he have delusions of grandeur that he is a plantation owner or feudal lord directing his slaves/serfs? IF YOU WANT RESPECT, GIVE IT!!!

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

The $100,000,000 bum! Send him to Detroit or somewhere else where they will put up with his crying! This way we can move on and create some team chemistry. Mike needs to get control of these guys right now, or we will be stuck with 53 spoiled babies AGAIN! I am very happy with the direction that the Redskins are heading in, but this guy needs to be nipped in the bud!

Posted by: truckmclaren | April 8, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

The $100,000,000 bum! Send him to Detroit or somewhere else where they will put up with his crying! This way we can move on and create some team chemistry. Mike needs to get control of these guys right now, or we will be stuck with 53 spoiled babies AGAIN! I am very happy with the direction that the Redskins are heading in, but this needs to be nipped in the bud! Right now!

Posted by: truckmclaren | April 8, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Someone tell Sampson that John Wayne owned the studio.
If one looks back a year or so..we see guys like PORTIS going directly to Snyder. A better analogy than the John Wayne telling the studio to buzz off..is a corporal in the army telling a general that he is not gonna do drills. Shanny will set the tone for any future "stars" that come here..you are one cog in the machinery, no special treatment.
If all the other players are taking part in the voluntary work outs..even Portis..Fat Albert cannot be allowed to control the situation.
I think Shanny should tell Albert..fine, you will start the season on the practice squad. They have him signed for a long term deal..{{he can`t go anywhere unless he returns a lot of the money and rips up his contract.}} SNYDER HAS ALREADY PAID OUT A LOT OF THE MONEY...AND HE WON`T GET MUCH BACK IN A TRADE...SO DANNY EATS THE MONEY. ALBERT WOULD HAVE A CHOICE..BE A TEAM PLAYER, OR HAVE HIS CAREER RUINED BY SPENDING IT ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD. IT WOULD BE HIS CHOICE.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | April 8, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

There are too many variations how defenses are structured to say one guy will always play one position. Orapko is a good example.
Washington is capable of switching between the 4-3, and the 3-4..giving other teams more to try to prepare for.
No one football player is worth what Al got.
That happened because Danny has more money than sense. Fat Albert would not have gotten anything approaching his current contract under Shanny.
Some team who plays the 4-3..might pony up
a couple of no. one picks to get Albert.
He could be (in their eyes) a stopper that would get them to the big game. Teams do stupid deals..like Philly giving us Sonny in "64"and McNabb now. Ditka trading all those picks to us for the rights to draft Ricky Williams.
FAT ALBERT WILL BE GONE BEFORE THIS SEASON GETS GOING! I JUST HOPE IT IS NOT WITHIN THE NFL EAST.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | April 8, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Another GD train wreck. Every one is talking about the about the message Shanahan is sending. How about the one Haynesworth is sending? It’s a message of "I don’t care about what the team is doing, it's all about me".

I guess Haynesworth never realized - how talented you are or how much money you make doesn't matter...

THE TEAM COMES FIRST !!!!!

Posted by: dc4life | April 8, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

THE TEAM COMES FIRST !!!!!

Posted by: dc4life | April 8, 2010 8:11 AM

They why do players leave their TEAM via Free Agency. I'm not worried about #92 showing up now. This is all overblown. When its time to play let that be the judge of whether we get rid of him. If you invested your money in something you want a return 9 out of 10 people would just chalk it up as a loss. Give time Fans and calm down...let it play itself out..just stay a fan not a critic or every personnel move!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | April 8, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I did not agree with signing Haynesworth for all of that money when it was done last year. He is nothing but a trouble maker and the Skins don't need that on the team. I say "Go Mike Shanahan!" If he can bring a playoff team to Washington again everyone will be saying the same thing.

Posted by: safoley | April 8, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

This is why the redskins will never be good. We always change coaches. These coaches have different systems. This leads to crazy turnover every few years. Changing QBs,rbs,d cordinators, systems and the players in what we brought in before are worthless.

Posted by: Snyderratostinks | April 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

levi98 wrote:
this blog is so funny...reading posts that try and claim they know more than Bruce Allen and Shanny who has 2 rings and well is actually in the profession and at redskins park.

Shanny needs to do this and that...they are dumb to make that move and this move.

But yeah ...all of you know better....know better how to lift a beer to your mouth maybe.

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I am as big a diehard Reskins fan as anyone, but that does not mean we have to swallow all of the Kool Aid. Allen made his share of bad personnel moves in Tampa Bay, hence he was fired. He basically assembled an aging roster in Tampa Bay. Shanahan made his share of bad personnel decisions in Denver, hence he was fired. Joe Gibbs won more Super Bowls than Shanahan and how did he fare the second time around. The most telling statement in the whole argument, was the fact that Bruce Allen said he would not have paid Haynesworth 100 million dollars. Fine, but the guy is here and he can play, just ask Orakpo and Andre Carter, who were the main beneficiaries of his presence. Part of coaching is knowing how to manage different personalities, they are treating the guy like he held out or something. We are talking about voluntary work outs. If the guy comes in out of shape or misses mandatory work outs than you come down on him, but to scapegoat the guy, because you don't like his contract is wrong. This roster is too bereft of talent to jettison a guy that you just paid 32 million dcllars, how high will Snyder raise ticket prices to pay for giving a guy free money. Think about all of the repercussions of Shanahan's pissing contest.

Posted by: impartial1 | April 8, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

What's done is done. I don't see why his contract is a problem. I think he's being hated for making all that money and nothing else. leave the guy alone, i'd rather have him on our team and not.

Posted by: harbirsingh | April 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Saw one of the ex-players on the NFL network and he made the point that Albert is a franchise player and he is being paid like a franchise player. He needs to be there with the team doing what he asked to do. Plain and simple.
Everybody wants to jump on Lavar but I remember I think it was Marvin Lewis lining him at DE. He didn't like it but he still showed up and did it. He did what was best for the team. He didn't whine like a child and try to force a trade, skip team workouts. This guy is a cancer. They call it addition by subtraction. Get somebody to bite on a 2nd round pick and draft a stud nose tackle and move on.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Only thing that makes me happy about this whole situation is that the Danny lost $32 million of his own money to a punk like Haynesworthless :)

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

If there's one more reference to kool-aid in a WaPo Redskins blog, I think I'm gonna puke. Do you even know what "kool-aid" refers to?

If you did, perhaps you'd stop using it!

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps what Shanny and Allen are trying to do is to emulate the winning franchises in the league. The franchises that win consistently are organizations where the Coach and GM run the team, not the players or a player.

TRADE THE CLOWN FOR WHAT YOU CAN GET FOR HIM!!!!!!

Posted by: pjente | April 8, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

How I wish I could tell my boss, "Even though you pay me, I'm not gonna do what you tell me to do and I gonna do my own thing." Todays athletes are nothing but prima-donnas. If you cut me a check for $32 million, I'll be the water boy at practice if you want me to.

Cut him, he isn't good for the team. Let him be someone else's problem.

Posted by: themightyzep2000 | April 8, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Blown out of proportion, eh?
The man is making $100million...just got a $32mill check. If he was smart, he'd keep his mouth shut, play the position he is asked to play, be in the best shape of any and all Redskins, and lead by example. But, nooooo...this egotistical malcontent punk is now causing a major problem and distraction for an entire organization.
Haynsworth is all about "me, me, me."
I would think that the ethical, and moral thing to do, in order for him to be able to "live with himself and have the proper respect shown" would be for him to refuse the money and go somewhere else, to a team that will let him play whatever position he wants to play.
The Skins don't need any more prima-donnas. Forget the money, 'cause anyone thinking that the Skins will get their "money's worth" is delusional. If he stays, he'll play, but give 50% and sit out every other play.
Punk.

Posted by: scmonty1 | April 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me how fans only see what they want to see. Shanahan didn't win 2 SBs. Elway did. Gibbs didn't win 3. Beathard did. Parcells would have won 6 with the players Beathard assembled.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | April 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we Trade AH for the Lions 1st round Pick? At this point with 32 of the 40mil paid off he is pretty cheap. He is probably cheaper than Soh at #2. If they can get Soh and trade AH that might be worth it. They could get Okang and Soh in the same draft. Also, Snyder probably saved 40 mil this year by not signing Peppers and some other over paid turkeys so he should count his losses and let him do this. AH is the best player on this team. But only if he wants to play. Ask the Raiders how good Randy Moss was when he didnt want to play.

Posted by: Pathavi | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I am a Redskin fan but not the fickle fair weather type that unfortunately seems to express themselves on these posts. In regards to this Haynesworth/Shanahan issue here is my opinion.
First when Haynesworth was signed to the lucrative deal he is not the one to blame for accepting it. Danny made the decision to pay him so all this whining about the money is a moot point, on one hand it shows that without football people making football decisions these things occur but it is not the players fault to get as much money as he can.

Haynesworth obviously was out of shape last season but my point is when he was on the field he was dominant and made players around him better such as Fletcher, Orakpo, and Carter...So on his own initative Haynesworth hired a personal trainer and decided to workout on his own before Allen or Shanahan were hired..When Haynesworth came to the Skins he was also assured that they would be playing in a 4-3 defensive scheme.

These workouts are VOLUNTARY , as long as Haynesworth attends the mandatory mini camps and is in shape I don't see a problem, is this about ego or winning? If it is about winning then both sides need to compromise a little and meet halfway. You don't trade a dominant defense tackle , if this new regime has decided to use a 3-4 maybe they should use it so it plays to Haynesworth strengths....

AND MAYBE DISCUSSING THIS LIKE GROWN PROFESSIONAL MEN INSTEAD OF THRU THE MEDIA WULD HELP

Another thing I am sick an tired of reading posts disrespecing Portis..Portis has attended all VOLUNTARY workouts, Portis has never been used properly since the Skins traded for him, he changed his body into a fullback when in reality he is more of a scatback, word is he has lost weight , he is healthy and I am sure he will make you haters eat crow..No running back could have been successful playing behind this atrocious offensive line.....

Posted by: BeatDontStop | April 8, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I haven't scanned a lot of the posts, but I seem to recall Haynesworth sliding over to end/5 technique in passing downs on several occasions last year. I think he could be very effective as a 3-4 end. Even playing at 3.5 bills, he can be a wrecking machine at that spot. With an offensive staff and QB that will likely generate longer possessions, he'd likely play fewer downs to boot.

But I don't think it will happen. He's as good as gone.

Most of you are right, Haynesworth should be willing to do whatever he's asked given the money the team's paying him. But he has no incentive to do so given all the money the team's *already* paid him. That's human nature. We complain, but if our bosses handed us each $21 million, non-refundable, how many of us would be less productive?

There isn't a more productive player than a motivated Albert Haynesworth, and there isn't a less productive player than an unmotivated Albert Haynesworth. An unmotivated 92 + Mike Shanahan = Major Problem. Coach Shan will have enough issues managing #26 and changing an entire culture.

As much as I'd love to see #92 stay, this team will be better off cutting its losses and shipping him.

Or throw a ton of money at Jim Washburn leave Tennessee and motivate #92 to produce.

Posted by: skinspeace | April 8, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Even Jim Freakin' Zorn got Haynesworth to play on Sundays. What's so hard about that?

Another dynamic to which we are not privy is Haynesworth's relationship to his teammates. Are they calling him? Telling him to come in? Do they care? Are they happy he's a beast on Sundays?

The Head Coach can set up a framework for team chemistry, but what ultimately happens is up to the team members themselves. I have to think if I played on the Defense, I'd be in Shanahan's ear telling him Haynesworth is a beast on Sundays. I'd be on the phone with Big Al, too. Telling him to get his ass in here, that the team needs him.

Seems like none of that is happening, but what do we know?

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

dc1020008 get a clue and lighten up.

Everyone knows the kool aid reference is about the Jonestown Masacre.

It's called dark humor.

That's what makes it funny!!

Posted by: skins91r | April 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Fat Albert is still here as of Thursday??? man! I wish he's traded already to another team for some picks because that's all we needed to complete a "hat trick" THIS week.

1. Donovan McNabb is the Redskins QB

2. Capitals just swept the Pens

3. ???

scenario (a) Haynesworth and Portis traded to the Titans for their 2nd and 3rd rd and Campbell traded to the Oakland Raiders for their 3rd Rd selection


scenario (b) Haynesworth and Campbell traded to the Titans for their 1st and 3rd rd selection


C,mon Shan-Allen you till Sunday to complete the trick!

Go Skins!!!

Posted by: alucard1 | April 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree wholeheartedly with Shanny. As the highest paid and one of the most talented players on the team, Haynesworth needs to dedicate himself to his position and lead by example. Additionally, since when do employees have the right to dictate what they will or will not do to their employers. Also, Shanahan has to exert his power and take control of this situation. As undisciplined and unorganized as the Skins have been for the last few years, Shanahan cannot allow anyone to challenge his authority or interfere with the direction he is trying to take the organization. I believe that he should not show concessions to any player, regardless of ability, popularity, or salary. Furthermore, lest we forget, we are talking about an overpaid, seemingly out of shape player who spent as much time on one knee on the sidelines than he did in a three-point stance on the field. Discipline is the only thing that will fix this situation. Not hatin on Big Al, but he needs to get his head on straight and forget his ego.

Posted by: KEVRED73 | April 8, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The voluntary and non-voluntary camps are set by the collective bargaining agreement. Still, coaches want/expect a player, especially those who are well paid, to set the example and attend these. The coach cannot decide to mandate that a camp be mandatory when it's not. Fat Albert just cashed a $21 mil paycheck. I'm not having any empathy for his ass, especially after reporting last year out of shape, sucking on oxygen, and chucking cookies on the field. The team has too much invested in this tub of goo to trust that he will get himself into shape. I hope they find a way to dump his fat ass.

Posted by: jfoster13 | April 9, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

glad to see mike is taking control, it's about time. the last coach who had a pair was marty. and when the team was starting to come around, than comes stevie.

Posted by: williedyn | April 9, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

glad to see mike is taking control, it's about time. the last coach who had a pair was marty. and when the team was starting to come around, than comes stevie.

Posted by: williedyn | April 9, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This is not an individual sport and the goal is to win a Super Bowl not pad Fat Albert's stats. If Shanahan thinks he would help the team more by taking on double teams and freeing up the LB's to make the plays then that is what he should do - because it benefits the team. In fact with the amount of money he has been paid, he should not only be at every workout to make sure he is in top shape, he should offer to also play LT. What a prima dona! We have to get away from individuals trying to push their own agendas and develop a team. With Shanahan as the leader it will happen, with or without Fat Albert.

Posted by: TXSkinsFan2 | April 9, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This is why the redskins will never be good. We always change coaches. These coaches have different systems. This leads to crazy turnover every few years...

Posted by: Snyderratostinks
Agreed-The constant turnover comes back to bite the Skins in the butt. Spurrier didn't like/didn't think he needed Stephen Davis soooo Davis signs with the Panthers and leads them to a Super Bowl, Gibbs didn't like/ didn't believe he neeeded L.Arrington soooo he plants him on the bench.Blatche didn't like/think he needed Orakpo and now Shanahan/Haslett comes along and they want Haynesworth to play out of position. I'm not defending AH, but this mis-matching of coaches to players is more of a problem than most posters are paying attention to.
Veteran sportscaster Keith Jackson used to say of great coaches such as Bo Schembechler " He can take his'n and beat yours'n or he can yours'n and beat his'ns." Meaning if you can coach you can coach. So why change the scheme to a 3-4? Unless you have the Steelers rather remarkable ability to constantly acquire/coach up outstanding linebackers (Ham, Lambert-70s, Merriweather,Greene-80s, Lloyd,Brown,Kirkland-90s, Gildon, Porter,Hamilton,Woodley,Farrior-now) and scheme them up (something Haslett has yet to prove) how about using the guys you have in the best possible way ACCORDING TO THEIR STRENGTHS! I know the NFL is a copycat league and all, but unless our new coordinator is Dick Lebeau and we get a couple of the Steelers linebackers, I would leave well enough alone. Certainly, a case could be made that the defense would improve more with Orakpo starting a weakside end. Scheming is what is done when you have a weakness to cover up, we won't let strengths be strengths.Laron Landry, who showed some specialness as a blitzer as a rookie should be playing strong safety, Chris Horton a naturally rangy ballhawk should playing free safety. But, Gregg Williams was fired, S.Taylor died and given the job Blatche was only to happy to keep Landry out of position a FS, causing Landry to regress as a playmaker. Landry CAN play free S but he's best as a Brian Dawkins-like strong S, Haynesworth can probably play the nose,but he's best (My Opinion Folks :)! as a big 3-technique. Why can't Haslett/Shanahan see that!


Posted by: ArmchairGM | April 9, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Its a different regime now (thank goodness) and Shanahan is a proven winner. When a new regime comes to town they bring a system that has worked for them and the players have to be on board with the coaches assesments and be willing to do what the coaches feel are best for the "team." It will take time to undo the past 10 years but imo we are on the right path. Caving in to the demands of individual players (AH)will not pull this team together. We will see how the process unfolds but if a player is unwilling to give the new system a try then they need to go imo. Coaches coach, players play and leaders lead. AH should be leading this defense but he chooses not to for seemingly selfish reasons... again imo.

Posted by: TXSkinsFan2 | April 9, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

When he does come into camp, work him until he's in shape. If he balks at that time, fine him. They should expect him to perform just as they expect the other players to perform. If he isn't in shape in September, bench him or work him until he gets in shape. Coaches coach, players play. Albert will do what is pragmatic to not lose face and to keep his value on the market.

Posted by: bfjam | April 10, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Hayneworth isn't going anywhere ....at least for this season.

Shanahan and haynesworth will come to an agreement....as Haynesworth knows you can't be a football star unless you are on the field.

As long as Haynesworth comest to camp in shape and ready to play....could care less what he does for the offseason optional OTAs.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | April 10, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

There is more than one to skin-a-cat when it comes to managing personalities as a head coach in the NFL. Contrary to some of the comments here, Parcels did not have a "my way or the highway" approach to the entire roster. He let LT get away with stuff he wouldn't let your average starter get away with. His response to grumbling of a double standard was 'there is one, he's LT, you're not.'

At the same time, he openly abused LT at practice on a level he would never apply to regular guys. Players don't care if there are different rules for different players, as long as those know what set of rules applies to them and feel that the varying standards contribute to winning games and making money for all. More than anything, I think a coach has to be true to himself and completely committed to his philosophy or the players will smell weakness.

If Shanahan really believes that there should one set of rules for everyone, and I'm not sure that he does, than he needs to go with it. But as many successful coaches have shown, that's not the only way. Furthermore, Haynesworth may not be worth the trouble in Shanahan's eyes. I mean, he's good, but he ain't no LT. He's been a problem in one form or another his entire career and it cold be that from the outset, Shanahan felt he is just more trouble than he's worth.

Posted by: feeney | April 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"So that would not make since cause a true 3-4 is easier to run with less or not the right players than the HYBRID 3-4. "

I'm not sure the above sentence qualifies as English but one main reason for the popularity of the 3-4 is that it's easier to find LBs than really good defensive linemen. But now that so many teams are playing it, there's a shortage of NTs. Which may lead to a shift in the other direction.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Bahaha! This is what happens when you try to build through free agency and throw out overprices contracts like a ticker tape parade. Just look at the Raiders if you want to see what will happen to the Skins.

Posted by: ozpunk | April 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Bahaha! This is what happens when you try to build through free agency and throw out overprices contracts like a ticker tape parade. Just look at the Raiders if you want to see what will happen to the Skins.

Posted by: ozpunk|April 10, 2010 1:15 PM
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Ozpunk, the Raiders are getting better, especially if they start Gradkowski over JaMarcus Russell (which won't happen, so in a sense, they won't get better until after the Al Davis era ends). Either way, though, at least the Raiders are taking the effort to build through the draft, albeit somewhat. The Redskins franchise is all about making money by over-overbidding on another team's star player and care less about where the team finishes in terms of the rest of the NFL rankings. Why do you think that the area reserved for a mall was over-overbid on to ensure that the team has the maximum amount of exposure, in the (relatively) poor Prince George's County? If the team was actually in DC or Northern Virginia, the team's revenue stream would be a third of what it currently is, since the Redskins brass figures that people in the relatively richer DC area counties (Montgomery, Arlington, Fairfax) can afford to travel to Prince George's, whereas if the Redskins were based solely out of Northern Virginia, the people in the Maryland suburbs would not dare travel into Virginia on a Sunday afternoon, then turn right back around and drive north on I-495 and have to contest with gridlock...the day BEFORE the workweek starts.

I brought up all that to simply say that the location of the Redskins is strategically placed, such that they get the maximum amount of exposure and, moreover REVENUE. Snyder is the second richest owner in the NFL behind Jerry Jones, and third overall is Pat Bowlen.

For anyone else reading this trying to understand why the rest of this article has zero to do with Shanahan or Haynesworth, it's because with or without Haynesworth on the Redskins roster, the team will finish 4-12 again. By the way did I mention that they are changing their entire defensive philosophy on a whim from 4-3 to 3-4? That's an article in and of itself...

Overall, this organization just reeks of greed on the part of the owner and misery for its fanbase. Meanwhile, don't think you're coming up I-95 and are going to bandwagon on the Baltimore Ravens. You've been exposed before you even think about it.

Posted by: thelongblueline | April 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Gooood post, Armchair!

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 10, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

It's so hard for me to read these posts. So many "fans" are bashing the coaching staff before they've even coached a preseason game. The great thing about Redskin fans is that we are passionate. The worst thing is that the majority emulate a politician and believe their opinion matters.

PLEASE understand that the Washington Post Liberal rag hates ALbert Haynesworth. Every story they post is calling for his head. Check other media sources, no one else is reporting this. Here are the facts... 4 year 49 mill contract. the day before his 21 mill check, we tried to trade him. NO surprise. We paid him. He is a Redskin. Now, consider this... He had three options during free agency and he chose the one that was a sure lock to never run a 3-4. If you doubt me, who thought the Skins would run a 3-4???

And i hope you all can see the problem already. AH is NOT a nose tackle. Albert Haynesworth came to the Redskins as the most disruptive force on defense in the NFL. Nose tackles claim space; they neutralize. They do not rush the passer! Don't sign an accountant and ask him to market your product! Christ, what is wrong with you guys? AH just put a f*cking ROOKIE in the PRO-BOWL!

And here's my main point, the only thing I wanted to say that Redskin's fans forget... D. Hall and other Skins were literally getting chumped and punched by a Giants RB (Jacobs) and everyone watched it happen. That was so hard for me to watch. Im a f*ckin DC brethren... Who came to end that? Who stepped up and fought back? Who showed the most spirit the Redskins have displayed in years?? The same guy that got fined and chastised by the league and the fans... SHAME ON YOU.

Posted by: ambrogicd | April 11, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

The only posts Ive read that have any merit and spirit are from LEEVI.. Thank you for representing my Skins.. You are a true fan.

Posted by: ambrogicd | April 11, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

why cant i read this?

Posted by: ambrogicd | April 11, 2010 2:30 AM | Report abuse

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