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By Cindy Boren  |  December 17, 2009; 6:18 PM ET
 
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I feel bad about the Chris Henry thing ... one of those bad boy turns things around tragedies ... like Sean Taylor. Totally crappy time of year for it to happen too.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 5:56 PM

I'm not a fan of the comparison. While both are tragedy’s, there are very little comparisons between the two.

Henry didn't compare to ST on the field and ST didn't compare to Henry off the field.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:23 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Cindy-

No poll love for Grimm?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

No pun intended..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of the comparison. While both are tragedy’s, there are very little comparisons between the two.

Henry didn't compare to ST on the field and ST didn't compare to Henry off the field.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:23 PM

agreed, but a tragedy none the less.....

it puts a damper on a great day for the redskins.


Posted by: cancunlizzard | December 17, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Cindy-

No poll love for Grimm?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse


he he

Posted by: cancunlizzard | December 17, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I say give Zorn a 3rd year, get some beast Olinemen, get back to basics, stress fundamentals like blocking and TACKLING and this can be a playoff team.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 17, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse


I feel bad about the Chris Henry thing ... one of those bad boy turns things around tragedies ... like Sean Taylor. Totally crappy time of year for it to happen too.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 5:56 PM

I'm not a fan of the comparison. While both are tragedy’s, there are very little comparisons between the two.

Henry didn't compare to ST on the field and ST didn't compare to Henry off the field.


Posted by: Diesel44

The differences you cite between Henry and ST21 are minor compared to the fact that both players died much much too young. I'm sure the Bengal organization is struggling every bit as much as we did, and my heart goes out to them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

feel bad about the Chris Henry thing ... one of those bad boy turns things around tragedies ... like Sean Taylor. Totally crappy time of year for it to happen too.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 5:56 PM

I'm not a fan of the comparison. While both are tragedy’s, there are very little comparisons between the two.

Henry didn't compare to ST on the field and ST didn't compare to Henry off the field.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:23 PM


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse
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He's gone Diesel. Don't become what we hated with 21 and the press. There are folks who will miss him, and it is tragic that he's passed at such an age.

Dead too young is dead too young.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 17, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2009 6:42 PM

Agreed. They both played football and they both died much too young.

I'm not minimizing anything.

The comparisons are being made for the alleged off the field trouble. ST wasn't in the same area code as Henry. It's unfair to ST.

Henry didn't compare to ST on the field and ST didn't compare to Henry off the field.

It's truly sad, much like our men and women in the Armed Forces that die every day with much less fanfare.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap!

What a day!

Numb from the shock. I refuse to believe anything has changed - until things change or Bruce Allen does his thing for at least two years or Vinny Cerrato gets a job handing out towels at Candlestick.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 17, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I Went to WVU and I'm a Skins fan so I feel like both are family.
They are both Sad Stories, Both young players who turned there life around and everything was starting to look up. Neither deserved to Die. But it is true you can't really compare the circumstances.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | December 17, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen is the new GM....Hip, hip hooray.....Hip,hip.....oh never mind, I'll wait until next year

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 17, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

this is a great day for the redskins. LET ZORN FULFILL THE REST OF HIS CONTRACT. HAIL!

Posted by: BMACattack | December 17, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"I say give Zorn a 3rd year"


I say the same thing.

Perhaps Allen will look past the coaching flub ups, see a team performing for an emasculated coach, and decide that another year--plus a good draft--is just what this team needs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Cancun, we just went with the two names we're hearing most often, and with Zorn since he still has the gig now.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 17, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like no one here knows haha Dead heat among the 4

Posted by: Daspig | December 17, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"Allen told reporters that, with three games remaining in the season, he wanted to watch the Redskins players and coaches at work and begin to build for 2010."


FEDEX Field will be rockin' Monday Night.

It should be like a playoff game, what with the national television audience, and jints coming to town.

Think of the guys playing for their redskin futures:

Carlos Rogers

Quinton Ganther

Rock Cartwright

Stephon Heyer

Levi Jones

Jason Campbell

Antawn Randle El

Casey Rabach

... and that's just a start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

on Chris Henry, I think a lot of people are alive today by the thinnest of margins. In my own life, I've been very close to that wrong place, wrong time situation more than once.

I learned to respect the random nature of life a long time ago. We all do foolish things and survive. We all do smart things and get unlucky. But few pay the price of dying young, as ST21 or Chris Henry.

If I don't see a significant difference between Chris Henry and Sean Taylor, it isn't because they weren't different people. It is because I know how close I came to sharing their fate.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Really a great day. Like most I'm sure, I was stunned for a moment when I heard the news. Then it sank in and I smiled broadly. If we hear from Cerrato again it will be too soon.

We can worry about coaches in 3 weeks. NY looms on Monday.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"...emasculated..."


I apologize for using this SAT-like word in this blog.

It'll never happen again.

Sorry.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

This just in to our newsroom. United Press is reporting that Gregg Williams will accept the Washington Redskins job after the New Orleans Saints season. It is reported that Vinnie Cerrato was behind the firing of Gregg Williams and not Dan Snyder who will offer the job to Gregg Williams after the Saints lose to the Vikings in the playoffs.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 17, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I tell you what, I have no f'ing clue who the next head coach will be but I hope Zorn gets the chance. It looks like the worm is beginning to turn for this team and they are starting to get the hang of this West Coast thing. Even this makeshift line is starting to block. Heck, we even have running backs that look like they can run. For God's sake anyone with half a brain knows it takes time to get this thing going. It's starting to work, give it another year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

In response to the poll, someone else, please GOD someone else. The choices listed suck the big weenie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

This just in to our newsroom. United Press is reporting that Gregg Williams will accept the Washington Redskins job after the New Orleans Saints season

I just know GREG BLATCHE will LOVE reporting to his old boss.

RUSS GRIMM please, and keep JOE BUGEL and GREG BLATCHE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

In response to the poll, someone else, please GOD someone else. The choices listed suck the big weenie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:17 PM

It's probably safe to say it will be a West Coast guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

No to Zorn, No how, No way.

In order to have continuity in a coaching staff, you must have the right people picking that staff. Obviously the right people weren’t in place with regards to the last hire.

This whole coaching staff has to go...

Zorn can't manage personnel or a game and is too conservative to be successful. He is being given credit for the team not quitting and the players liking him. Give credit to the players and of course the players like him, he has no authority.

Blatche: His scheme "bend but don't break", more like let the opposing team score just enough to win. Great rankings but has consistently not made a stop when needed.

Danny Smith: No need to elaborate.

The FO makeover is the first step followed by a complete coaching staff makeover.

4-9 is 4-9. No need to continue to be medium.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It's starting to work, give it another year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 8:05 PM |

Sounds like premature exclamation to me. A win over the Raidahs and Jamarcus is scant grounds for declaiming "it's starting to work". Lets see what happens in the next three games against teams that are fighting to be in the playoffs.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I heard Fassel was available..

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 17, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Does any one have any info on Allen's draft history? Does he stock up linemen? Reach for Qb's, receivers?

Posted by: jpfree | December 17, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like premature exclamation to me. A win over the Raidahs and Jamarcus is scant grounds for declaiming "it's starting to work". Lets see what happens in the next three games against teams that are fighting to be in the playoffs.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 8:37 PM |

Our offense managed to put up 30+ points in 2 games. That is what I am basing my "starting to work" statement on. Yes, 2 games is not enough to jump to conclusions on but we also beat Denver, and lost by 1 to Dallas (although the offense looked anemic.) We don't necessarily have to win to look better.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Zorn might eventually succeed, but you just can't have that wackiness as the face of your franchise. There's a reason the other 31 guys are a lot more like each other than they are like JZ. The NFL will just never be a holistic place.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 17, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If Gruden is the next coach it will be a replacement with a big difference from a time sequence perspective. In the last season of the Gruden era the team was headed for the playoffs and the players quit on him and TB ended in the terlet. In the case of Zornic the team started off good and ended in the terlet and the players said we like him.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Has everyone copped zzzs early tonight, or are we just ragged out from the day's momentous event?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn gets a do over. He should be held accountable also...

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Zorn might eventually succeed, but you just can't have that wackiness as the face of your franchise. There's a reason the other 31 guys are a lot more like each other than they are like JZ. The NFL will just never be a holistic place.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 17, 2009 8:42 PM |

There are two parts of the country that propagate weird behavior like it was an exportable commodity. The steamy bayou swamps of Louisiana and the damp rain forests of the Northwest.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess I can't be shocked that some STILL are complaining!

Snyder hires a bona fide GM and people still complain. Give the man a chance.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I heard Fassel was available..

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 17, 2009 8:40 PM

His son will probably be available, too, after he cost the Raiders that 15 yard penalty for yelling at the ref last Sunday.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

BRUCE ALLEN - congrats fellow alum. Good luck here in D.C. Make us proud.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

It were smart to bring Allen on board now. After the season is over there could be quite a few teams in the hunt to hire a HC and the list of attractive availables ain't a very long one. By then Allen should have his ducks in a row and a plan of some kind.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Has everyone copped zzzs early tonight, or are we just ragged out from the day's momentous event?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:53 PM |

Until Zorro has left the build we cop fffs, not zzzs.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting that one of the things that Allen will do will be to improve relations between the Redskins and the Washington Post.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Gruden? Please. Ok the SB. What did he do in TB? That would be a mistake. He couldn't handle DC. It's bad enough having to watch this idiot on MNF

Posted by: robjway1 | December 17, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Gruden? Please. Ok the SB. What did he do in TB? That would be a mistake. He couldn't handle DC. It's bad enough having to watch this idiot on MNF

Posted by: robjway1 | December 17, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

RAIDERS #1 picks while BRUCE ALLEN was with the org. 1995-2004.

OL = 3
RB = 1
QB = 0
WR = 0
TE = 1
DT = 0
DE = 2
LB = 1
CB = 3
S = 1
K = 1
P = 0

13 choices in nine years. Multiple first round picks in '98, '02, and '03.

Picking a kicker in the first sounds shaky. He has a propensity for..........O-LINEMEN and CB's. Yes-s-s-s!!!!!! Three each topping the list.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

In response to the poll, someone else, please GOD someone else. The choices listed suck the big weenie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Lets see . . . Gruden and Shanahan . . . 3 super bowl championships, 3 conference championships, 8 division titles, 241-179 combined regular season record. Yea, these guys stink. Can't have either of them.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Why keep Zorn around? The offense showed signs of life only after play calling was taken from him. The players only rallied around him when his job was in jeopardy: they weren't inspired by Zorn, they were inspired by Zorn's circumstances, and they still have only won three games...

Remember, this is the guy who held the luxury spa training camp, and has let players get away with too much methinks. There has been little to no accountability... He never was the offensive mastermind people thought he was. He has been horrible at developing/playing young talent and the team is heading into some years where a lot of young guys will be playing. I just don't see why anyone would want to keep him around.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I said I'd like Zorn to get a three-year audition for an extension before the season started. Still think so.

For those who think the players aren't playing for Zorn: there are teams that have quit on their coach in the NFL before. The players on those teams still had pride, jobs, future salaries to play for, but they quit anyway. It happens. This team isn't doing that. I think Zorn figures into the reason why.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting that one of the things that Allen will do will be to improve relations between the Redskins and the Washington Post.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 9:11 PM |

And vice versa. WaPo would like RI to rise above the hash level.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 17, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

2004-2008 1st round picks for the BUCS while ALLEN was GM.

WR = 1
RB = 1
OG = 1
CB = 1
DE = 1

Again an O-lineman and CB in the five. This is promising.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Gruden? Please. Ok the SB. What did he do in TB? That would be a mistake. He couldn't handle DC. It's bad enough having to watch this idiot on MNF

Posted by: robjway1 | December 17, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh . . . the Super Bowl. And three division titles. And a winning regular season record. Which is more than any of the coaches we've had since Joe Gibbs I can say.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan rode ELWAY's coat-tails and that pimp GRUDEN got fired. They suck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Quite an interesting day...

I like the forced Cerrato resignation! I still think he was decent at picking players, but sucked at creating a team.

Allen is a good pick up as GM. He will have a clean slate to work with next year -- in particular if the uncapped year is realized.

As for the next head coach -- creating a strong coaching staff is paramount -- how about head coach Mike Shanahan, with offensive head coach Jon Gruden and defensive head coach Jeff Fisher?

Posted by: siris | December 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

F*** who the coach is going to be. Aren't you posters interested in what BRUCE ALLEN drafted #1 during his stays in OAKLAND and TAMPA BAY? None of us is going to make the coaching decision anyway. Fagidaboudit!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richie_sheppard | December 17, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

NO NO NO to Zorn. Nice guy but not an HC at least not here.

If we are starting fresh let's do it and not wait around to see if something works out.

The improvement is there but we are still 4-9 and it's gotten better without Zorn calling plays and arguably the hair rending moments of last few games have come when he was potentially calling the plays.

I think Allen's repeated talk about tradition and history of the franchise is very much pointing to Zorn being gone. . . of course I'm projecting big time from my perch.

4-9 is 4-9 and combined with collapse of last season I think says all you need to know.

Posted by: sfskin | December 17, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

sf, i must have missed your reaction to the Cerrato departure. Are you skeptical or did you dance like Snoopy?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 17, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Clark Judge is right about pointing the finger at Danny, the real culprit. But he misses oh so much about why Vinny - scapegoated to some degree, sure - deserved to get canned.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12673235/cerrato-latest-to-earn-scapegoat-label-under-snyders-skins

As fans we all understand that Dan's meddling has hobbled this franchise - we're just so relieved at what seems like a real possibility he may attempt deferring to someone who if not perfect - at least has a clue.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan rode ELWAY's coat-tails and that pimp GRUDEN got fired. They suck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense. It was Terrell Davis, one of a series of late round draft choices who excelled at running back in Shanahan's offense, who was the offensive key on those Super Bowl teams. Elway played a more complimentary role than he did in earlier years, much like Favre is doing this year with the Vikes. As for Gruden getting fired, so did a lot of other good coaches, such as Bruce Allen's dad, George, by the then-L.A. Rams, and Bill Belichick by the Browns. How did those guys do at their next stops?

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I must admit I'm a little baffled by the reaction that this is someone's Xmas present Up Here. I can think of a couple of hundred things I'd rather have.
I think the timing is pretty savvy, and if you're going to replace Vinny it makes sense to do it with someone who is well respected in the league, has an historical connection with the team, and can deal with an owner that wants to be involved. The short list of people that meet those qualifications has got to be in the single digits, so the choice doesn't strike me as particularly bold.
My big questions revolve around whether Allen will make significant changes to the pro and college scouting staff, and whether he will change the basic approach to contract structure. If we take advantage of the uncapped year to get our house in order, you could see a pretty good team emerge quickly.

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The only way you keep Zorn is to keep Sherman Lewis . Dont care what anyone is saying this team is playing better than they were even when they were 6-2 last yr. If we suck next yr then they should fire him but it seems that all of the youngsters are stepping up so thats a good thing.

Posted by: wattsicon | December 17, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Not too shabby for an AFC game here.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 17, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

And the idea that Zorn has more than three weeks left as HC couldn't be more retarted if it had a helmet on it.
The man has shown us nothing that would indicate he has a shred of HC DNA in his rain-soaked, mountain-bike riding, blocking-pad throwing, english-language-stretching body.

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

So csnwashington's Kelly Johnson is reporting that sources close to Mike Shanahan, say he has the job as HC/Team president. Shanahan will be in charge of personnel decisions, will Alen's role will be making the cap work, organization etc. Kyle Shanahan will be the new OC.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

So csnwashington's Kelly Johnson is reporting...

Hey, pretty sure that the Mayor will have any real news first.

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm on record of saying that I wanted the Shanahan/Shanahan pairing in DC. The question now is what the defense will look like going forward. Finally I hope that Chris Meidts finds a spot on the new staff. I think he's going to be a really good coach in the NFL.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

RAIDERS #1 picks while BRUCE ALLEN was with the org. 1995-2004.

K = 1

Picking a kicker in the first sounds shaky.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 9:15 PM


As a rule, yeah. But the kicker was Sebastian Janikowski.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

i believe kelly. shanahan will be the new gibbs with total control of the skins. bruce allen will just do the contracts/salary stuff...interestingly enough that's what jasno reported on NFLN this afternoon.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 17, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Are you people serious!

How can anyone vote for Zorn, unless you're related to him or Cambpell.

Basically, the writting is on the wall. We'll probably finish 4-12 or 5-11 this year. That record does not keep you from being fired.

Also, I'm not sure if any of you know this, but he is doing NOTHING at this time. He is fake coaching.

That being said, Campbell is a good as gone as well. Campbell fans stop getting your hopes up. Allen will review the game films, and notice that Campbell is not fit for this offense. He will note his slow release, and delayed reactions when reading the defense.

Allen will bring his own people in. Zorn and Campbell got Cerrato canned this year. Allen will learn from that, and trust his own coaches and players.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The Colts make football look like it did when we played on the empty neighborhood lot...

Remember the nighborhood QB would draw the pass routes on his hand. When he said run a "butt and hook" I needed a visual.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen...

Please trade our entire draft for Peyton Manning!

Do it Duhday!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

That being said, Campbell is a good as gone as well. Campbell fans stop getting your hopes up. Allen will review the game films, and notice that Campbell is not fit for this offense

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 10:47 PM

I thought you said Zorn is getting fired. If so why would it matter if Campbell is not fit for this Zorn's system?

Bruce Allen realizes that Campbell is an asset and will tender him. That's a win if he stays and a win if another team would like to compensate us for his services.

There is no GM in the NFL that would let JC walk.


There is no

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

We don't necessarily have to win to look better.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse
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Famous LOSER words!!!

by your name "scampbell" this must mean that you are related to JC. Guess the loser mentality runs deep in your family.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought you said Zorn is getting fired. If so why would it matter if Campbell is not fit for this Zorn's system?

Bruce Allen realizes that Campbell is an asset and will tender him. That's a win if he stays and a win if another team would like to compensate us for his services.

There is no GM in the NFL that would let JC walk.


There is no

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse
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I stand corrected. Allen will note that Campbell is not fit to run the "west coast offense". (Zorn's offense)

Allen's program ran the WCO in Oak, and Tampa. I'm guessing we will keep said WCO next year. No matter who the HC is.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Assuming the DEADskins can sign one of the Super Bowl guys.....they HAVE TO PULL the plug on Zorn......He is and will continue to be a deer in headlights as a head coach....THIS IS A 4-12 team for gods sakes !!!! Incompetent Continuity is INSANE ....

He!!, it Would make more sense to elevate Bingo than keep Zorn......

The entire front end of this organization must be dismantled...and in an uncapped year all the deadbeat underachievers (portis, randle el, thomas etc) with big contracts have to be put on the bus out of DC.....

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | December 17, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I'll post on Bruce Allen's drafts in detail tomorrow. On the whole, he picks the right spots, but struggles on talent. Which is sort of the opposite of Vinny.

Of note, this is the 3rd time in a row that Danny has shocked Redskins fans and the so-called experts with his hire.

Joe Gibbs return was a complete shock. No one had a clue that Zorn was a candidate for the HC job when he got it. And while there was speculation around Vinny getting moved out, I never heard the name Bruce Allen used in context of a possible successor to Vinny (though in hindsight, it sure seems like his name should have come up).

I'll give Danny credit for surprising us. The speculators have been wrong, three times in a row.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 11:01 PM

No offense, but you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not challenging you, just stating a fact.

Here are some facts...
1. Zorn is gone. Correct
2. 6 HC in the NFL call their own plays. 26 coaches are fake coaching?
3. Campbell is better than any option in the draft or FA and would also be a much cheaper option. Tendering JC gives you options, letting him walk is not an option.
4. Shanahan is known for a run-heavy variation of the WCO. (perfect for JC)
5. GM's don't determine the scheme, coaches do.
6. Vinny got Vinny canned by ignoring the OL, hiring Zorn, and making a mockery of the Redskins.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Famous LOSER words!!!

by your name "scampbell" this must mean that you are related to JC. Guess the loser mentality runs deep in your family.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 17, 2009 10:57 PM |

Go phuk yourself you ignorant dooshbag. You don't know me for sh!t and you want to talk about my family. Why don't you go get your mama to choke you again why you jack it to your sisters 3rd grade yearbook photo. I guess in your phuked up world you can't improve unless you win. What an a$$clown.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

zeke, further back, Schottenheimer was something of a surprise, since he had been on the teevee saying he wouldn't want to work for an owner like Snyder.

Too bad that "surprising us" hasn't always been synonymous with "making the right hire."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

the skins are at a competitive disadvantage every week that Zorn is head coach

snyder didn't make this move to keep zorn

Posted by: coparker5 | December 17, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

this off season is going to be especially fun

Posted by: coparker5 | December 17, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley ESPN writes

Since the news broke this morning about the Redskins hiring Bruce Allen as their general manager, a lot of folks have made the logical leap to suggest that ESPN's Jon Gruden is a likely candidate to replace Jim Zorn. The two men worked together in Oakland and Tampa and here's what Gruden had to say about Allen being hired:

"Bruce Allen is a great football mind and an even better person," said Gruden through an ESPN spokesman. "His background and understanding of the Washington Redskins' tradition will be a huge asset to the Redskins. He is a leader and a great fit for this job. He's a big reason why I had any success in coaching. I'm really happy for him and I wish him the best."

And suddenly the "Monday Night Football" matchup between the Giants and Redskins becomes a lot more interesting -- especially with Gruden at FedEx to call the game. But after asking folks about Gruden all afternoon, I had a chance to talk to Chris Mortensen on 103.3 ESPN in Dallas-Fort Worth's afternoon show, "Galloway and Company." Mort believes that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen will hire Mike Shanahan to be the Skins' next head coach. Mort's not ready to report that yet, but he said he was sharing that opinion "with great certainty."

He also thinks Cowboys owner Jerry Jones may have missed his window to have any chance at Shanahan.

"If things don't go well with the Cowboys, I think Jerry will have missed a great opportunity with Mike Shanahan," said Mortensen.

Mort would not rule out Bill Cowher for the Cowboys job and he thinks that Titans coach Jeff Fisher might be a "wild-card guy" in Jones' search for a replacement for Wade Phillips. Of course, Jones could decide to retain Phillips if the Cowboys are finally able to win a playoff game.

It's been a very interesting day in the NFC East. Let's get it going again tomorrow.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll post on Bruce Allen's drafts in detail tomorrow. On the whole, he picks the right spots, but struggles on talent. Which is sort of the opposite of Vinny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2009 11:06 PM |

Getting DeCosta or DePaul to head up personnel will be key hires as well. DeCosta will bring in some ideas that have made the Raven select players that fit their scheme well. DePaul I think might be a better fit I think because he has worked with Morocco Brown in Chicago.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

There's no chance that Zorn comes back here. Anyone who voted that way is out of their mind.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

this off season is going to be especially fun

Posted by: coparker5 | December 17, 2009 11:24 PM

We will as always continue to own the offseason.

However (Stephen A. Smith)....Today is a big step in the right direction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan NEVER won anything without John Elway so I don't understand what the fascination is with him.

there are bright young head-coaching candidates out there - nobody ever heard of Joe Gibbs before he was hired by Bobby Beathard.

I don't know who or where that guy is but it's Bruce Allen's job to find him, NOT go after "big name" coaches... anyone can hire one of those coaches.

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Clark Judge is right about pointing the finger at Danny, the real culprit. But he misses oh so much about why Vinny - scapegoated to some degree, sure - deserved to get canned.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12673235/cerrato-latest-to-earn-scapegoat-label-under-snyders-skins

As fans we all understand that Dan's meddling has hobbled this franchise - we're just so relieved at what seems like a real possibility he may attempt deferring to someone who if not perfect - at least has a clue.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins |

Clark Judge is good friends with Vinny so this article is no surprise. Yes,Clark got some things right but mostly he was just defending his friend.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

A lot of coaches haven't won Superbowls without great players.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

A lot of coaches haven't won Superbowls without great players.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess my reasoning for wanting to keep Zorny around for one more year is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to the hatred I have for the constant turmoil surrounding the Skins for umpteen years now. I don't particularly think he has what it takes to be a successful head coach in the NFL but I only have 2 years to judge him on. The kearning curve is much steeper than that and he just didn't seem to get up to speed fast enough. Vinny's neglect of the oline and constant hamstringing certainly didn't help though. For the record I'm just happy that Vinny is gone and we have a real GM now. Whatever happens from here on out will be judged on its merits alone. And for the record, for that dirty sanchez Redskin in miami, the team that lost in overtime to an undefeated Saints is a much improved team than the one that lost to the winless Lions. If you don't agree than whatever you say after has no merit because you have proven yourself a world class imbecile.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Keeping a bad coach around for the sake of stability would be an incredibly bad idea. It's like trying to build a mansion on a garbage heap.

Get a solid foundation in here and then build from it.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Keeping a bad coach around for the sake of stability would be an incredibly bad idea. It's like trying to build a mansion on a garbage heap.

Get a solid foundation in here and then build from it.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Keeping a bad coach around for the sake of stability would be an incredibly bad idea. It's like trying to build a mansion on a garbage heap.

Get a solid foundation in here and then build from it.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:34 PM

I can agree with that. I'm just sick of only getting a year or 2 to see what someone can do around here before we start over.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I expect Bruce Allen to interview Jerry Grey.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 17, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with that. I'm just sick of only getting a year or 2 to see what someone can do around here before we start over.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse
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Hoping that the hiring of a GM is the beginning of the end of that syndrome.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

this team needs a head coach who believes more in fundamentals of football rather than fancy play calling or offensive scheme.

more of a Bill Parcells or Mike Tomlin type coach than a Bill Walsh or Jon Gruden type.

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I am so NOT excited about Shanahan - simply can't get over his love of that awful Jay Cutler. Plus, he has not won a Super Bowl since the 90's and I don't believe the Broncos went to the playoffs his last few years there.

Before all the media outlets start reporting Shanahan's hiring, don't they need to wait until the season ENDS and abide by the Rooney Rule?

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

expect Bruce Allen to interview Jerry Grey.

Posted by: skinfanman | December 17, 2009 11:40 PM |

I've heard it said that he was a possible candidate for head coaching jobs in the NFL. (Not sure where)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with that. I'm just sick of only getting a year or 2 to see what someone can do around here before we start over.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse
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Hoping that the hiring of a GM is the beginning of the end of that syndrome.


Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:41 PM |

Here, here!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with that. I'm just sick of only getting a year or 2 to see what someone can do around here before we start over.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse
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Hoping that the hiring of a GM is the beginning of the end of that syndrome.


Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:41 PM |

Here, here!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:29 PM

And Bill Walsh never won anything without Joe Montana.

And Bill Belicheat never won anything without Tom Brady.

And Jimmie Johnson never won anything without Troy Aikman.

And Chuck Noll never won anything without Terry Bradshaw.

Here's something to insert in your pipe...only Joe Jackson Gibbs (3x), Don Shula (2x), and Bill Parcells (2x) did it with different QBs.

Winning two super bowls is not an accident, stop regurgitating someone else's stupid argument.

I mean this in the best possible way…Do yourself a favor and never repeat that again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

@ Diesel44

save it for someone who gives a rats a$s about your opinions

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh found Joe Montana

Bill Belichick found Tom Brady

Mike Shanahan was handed John Elway

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan Denver record since 2000
*2000 11 5 0
2001 8 8 0
2002 9 7 0
*2003 10 6 0
*2004 10 6 0
*2005 13 3 0
2006 9 7 0
2007 7 9 0
2008 8 8 0

*Playoffs (Record was 1-4, did get to AFC championship in 2005, lost to Pitt

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 17, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joek443 | December 17, 2009 11:49 PM

Facts...

What you said was opinion.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Denver Post, JLaCa, Kelly from csn, Mort... lots of people reporting the Shanahan is getting the gig. If you think Zorn is being retained, you didn't lsiten between the lines for what was NOT SAID by Allen when given the opportunity to give Zorn a vote of confidence. "We spoke, I'm sure we will meet again". Wow, ringing endorsement. NOT.

Lets assume that Shanahan/Shanahan are coming as HC and OC.

Who are the viable DC or AHC/Def candidates? I gotta think and believe Blache is done. Gray get a shot with Shanahan? Or does Shanahan want to run out all the leftovers?

John Fox if he gets run in Carolina?

Dick Jauron, ex of the Bills?

Any up and comers? College guys?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

John Elway didn't win a Superbowl until he had Shanahan.

Or more to the point, Terrel Davis and a running game.

Until Elway had those things, he had no rings.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

While it may be true that Shanahan only won the SBs with Elway, it is also important to point out that Elway never won before Shanhan became coach (0-3).

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 18, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

there are ALWAYS bright young coordinators/asst. coaches who will do great as a HC once they're given the opportunity.

going after "big name" coaches is a lazy way to go about things.

the pittsburgh steeler have had ONLY 3 headcoaches in the last 40 years or so and none of those guys - Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher or Mike Tomlin - were "big name" coaches before they got the job.

Posted by: joek443 | December 18, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey & lifelongfan-

I waiting for an unintelligent response and was going to unleash these mere facts.

Regardless of what the mentally challenged say...This is a great day and a huge step forward,

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan would be a mistake. If the goal is a championship, hiring a Super Bowl winner is a recipe for failure - no HC has ever won one for more than one team. In my heart I'm pulling for Russ "HC Flea" Grimm 2.0, but the best choice is probably some obscure rising star a non-obsessive like me has have never heard of.

Posted by: zimbar | December 18, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

The reason a team would go after a proven commodity is credibility. Right now this team has an image problem. I don't think in this situation they'll be looking for unproven coordinators for the head coach position. Especially after the Zorn fiasco.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 18, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

the pittsburgh steeler have had ONLY 3 headcoaches in the last 40 years or so and none of those guys - Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher or Mike Tomlin - were "big name" coaches before they got the job.

Posted by: joek443 | December 18, 2009 12:05 AM

The Redskins don't have 6 rings and aren't the Pittsburg Steelers. Are you a Steelers’ fan looking for a compliment?

This is a good move and the head coach is only rumored to be Shanny.

Who would be your choice, big name and proven coaches excluded?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule should exclude internal minority candidates
Posted by Mike Florio on December 17, 2009 11:56 PM ET
Though some (i.e., us) continue to be troubled by the appearance that Vinny Cerrato was abruptly swapped out for Bruce Allen as part of a premeditated front-office makeover that will be followed by the premeditated hiring of Mike Shanahan as the next head coach, the powers-that-be believe that the Redskins met the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

"We're very satisfied," John Wooten, chairman of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, told Mark Maske of the Washington Post. "They fulfilled it over 10 days ago."

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

@ Diesel44

I'm sorry but did I say hiring Bruce Allen was a bad move???

a monkey can hire a proven head coach... it takes talent and effort to find the next great head coach who has yet to prove himself.

Posted by: joek443 | December 18, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Commissioner Roger Goodell said during a live chat at NFL.com that the Redskins complied with the rule that requires at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for General Manager positions.

Still, no one will say who was interviewed.

A league source tells us that at least one of the candidates currently works for the Redskins, and that the candidate didn't believe it was a sham interview. But if Allen was hired as part of a premeditated effort to bring in Shanahan, it necessarily was a sham interview.

Besides, at a time when Cerrato is quitting because the current front office isn't getting it done, it's ridiculous to think that owner Daniel Snyder would have rewarded sustained mediocrity by giving one of Cerrato's lieutenants a bump up.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's something to insert in your pipe...only Joe Jackson Gibbs (3x), Don Shula (2x), and Bill Parcells (2x) did it with different QBs.

Not quite. Bob Griese started both of Shula's wins. On the other hand, George Seifert won Super Bowls with Joe Montana in '89 and Steve Young in '94

Posted by: zimbar | December 18, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

The goal of the Rooney Rule, as we understand it, is to ensure an inclusive hiring process. The notion that the rule can be fulfilled by duping an in-house minority candidate into thinking that he has a legitimate shot at the job doesn't constitute an inclusive hiring process, in our view.

So we propose a new twist to the Rooney Rule. We believe that the rule should be changed to require at least one minority candidate from outside the organization to be interviewed. Frankly, it's just too easy (in most cases) to persuade a person already on the payroll to "take one for the team," especially if the wink-nod-cough-fart request to interview comes with the wink-nod-cough-fart implication that loyalty in this regard will be rewarded.

An outsider to the organization will have no reason to interview other than to try to get the job, and thereafter will have no incentive to claim that it was a legitimate interview process if the candidate doesn't truly believe that it was.

In this case, we recognize that it's possible an external candidate was interviewed. But there's no way of knowing that because it all happened quickly -- and in the wake of the abrupt change no one is talking. So the Rooney Rule also should impose a minimum time period for which the job must be vacant, in order to give qualified candidates of every race, color, creed, and national origin an opportunity to apply for the position.

After all, it's hard to know to apply for a position when the qualified candidates don't even realize the position is vacant.


Damn, Florio needs to get his silkies back out of his clam. He's gonna get an infection.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

The next coach? I don't know, but I doubt it'll be Shanahan. Shanahan wants more control and Bruce Allen isn't going to want a HC/President type of thing.

Which leaves coaches who want to coach, not coaches who want to be GMs.

Grimm, Sherm Lewis, Cowher, Harbaugh, Ryan, Frazier would be among the candidates. It'll be much easier to get a good coach and that coach will have a much better chance to succeed with Vinny gone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 18, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

"Cerrato will remain with the Redskins as a Snyder consultant"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/18/cerrato-will-remain-with-the-redskins-as-a-snyder-consultant/

I know this sounds like a typical PFT troll post, but click on the link. It's for real.

Can anyone explain this one???

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 18, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

If you interview Jerry Gray for head coach, does that mean he leaves if he doesn't get the job?
Where does Blache stand? It seems like the top two candidates are offense-oriented, perhaps keeping him on would be acceptable, perhaps even preferred?
I wonder what Shanahan thinks of JC?
I sorta know what Chucky thinks of our QB corps -- "you need about 3-4 more QBs".

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Doc and Sonny have been jokingly saying Vinny would stick around and park cars for a couple of weeks now.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

@ Diesel44

I'm sorry but did I say hiring Bruce Allen was a bad move???

a monkey can hire a proven head coach... it takes talent and effort to find the next great head coach who has yet to prove himself.

Posted by: joek443 | December 18, 2009 12:19 AM

It takes a monkey to throw the pooh that you threw. I’ve only provided irrefutable facts, while you’ve spewed nothing but opinion.

You questioned a HC that won 2 super bowls, and said it was a bad move to hire a guy with his resume...."that's too easy."

So genius, Who's your choice?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Who in your opinion are the up and coming HCs that will eventually turn into the Shanahans, Cowhers, and Dungys of the future. I would think Tomlin and Payton have a shot. Is there anyone else?

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 18, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Here's something to insert in your pipe...only Joe Jackson Gibbs (3x), Don Shula (2x), and Bill Parcells (2x) did it with different QBs.

Not quite. Bob Griese started both of Shula's wins. On the other hand, George Seifert won Super Bowls with Joe Montana in '89 and Steve Young in '94

Posted by: zimbar | December 18, 2009 12:21 AM

I was going off memory...props to you for doing research.

I stand slightly corrected and will add George Seifert to my list.

Here's the deal...There is only a handful of coaches that have won multiple super bowls and even less that have won it with 2 different QBs. Irresponsible to discredit anyone who has hoisted the trophy once, and to do it twice is irresponsible.

Even more props to Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

laaaattteeee niggghhhttt bbeeeeeepppppaaaggeee

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Dan, you are the man. Next, do what is right and fire Larry Michael, Vinnie's tool bag. I hear Frank Herzog would come back.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 18, 2009 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Hard to see Shanahan taking a head coaching job under Bruce Allen. Why would he? There are better opportunities out there.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 18, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Where is Russ Grimms name you moron's?

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I can see the headlines...."Dan Snyder Funds Project to Raise George Allen From The Dead".

I cannot be happier that VC is gone, but Danny needs to stop with the marketing BS of bringing in guys with "history with the franchise".

First of all, it doesn't mean squat. Second of all. Bruce Allen has NO HISTORY with this franchise. His father did. All Bruce did pertaining to the Skins was go to games as a kid.

Now, all that being said, I hope he does a great job and he helps us win SBs....but his "history" with the franchise won't have anything to do with it.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | December 18, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Please do not hire anyone on that list. Their time has come and gone. Shanahan got fired because he just does not relate to the players today. Gruden took a Bucs team to the SB that Dungy rebuilt. Why not bring in Russ Grimm being played for Joe Gibbs, coached under Bill Cowher and Ken Whisenhunt, knows what it takes to get to Super Bowls. HIRE RUSS GRIMM, BRING BACK THE HOGS!!!!!

Posted by: kvanname0610 | December 18, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The Denver Post is reporting that former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan is heading to Washington to be the next head coach of the Redskins.

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Deconstructive analysis of winning head coaches is clearly a frustrating topic. For every successful coach who comes "out of nowhere" there's an unsuccessful one; for every Mike Tomlin there's a Lane Kiffen. For every Joe Gibbs there's a, I don't know, let's say June Jones.

I think there's a lot to be said for the argument that coaches have been successful because of a superstar, HOF player (Shanahan/Elway), or that they have come into an organization that has already assembled a winning team (Seifert, Mariucci, Gruden in TB, for example).

I'd like to see someone try and do a Bill James-style analysis of coaches that looks into non-traditional statistics. But in this era in which players move around the league with greater frequency than in the days of Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs I, et al, being or finding a successful coach is lightning in a bottle.

Certainly there will be coaches who are better than others, who will succeed despite less-than-ideal situations (Bellichik) and those who will always manage to underachieve (Norv). How do you determine who will be which with any degree of exactitude?

Maybe there should be some sort of Wonderlic test for coaches. But until there's a way to quantitatively measure football intuition, picking a coach is basically a crap shoot.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | December 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

How's this for a trio:

Shanny HC
Cowher/Dungy DC (pick one)
Holmgren/Gruden OC (pick one)

Seriously, this could happen, right? Right? Throw enough $$$ at any of these guys, and well, why not?

Posted by: BMoreChil | December 18, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Jim Zorn really feels about everyone talking about his replacement when the season isnt over & he is still under contact. If you ask him, he will take the high road...But in private he probably cant wait to get the heck away from DC, MD, VA.

I dont understand what every one expected from a 1st time head coach...The 2nd comming of Lombardi???

Posted by: dc4life | December 18, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I would to see Zorn back for next year. A few o line players and a running back who wants to play would be key. I think that the Zorn/Lewis combo is working well. Jim Gray as the D Coach would also be nice. As long as the GM is calling the shots and not the owner.

Go Skins!

Posted by: DCSPORTSFANATIC | December 18, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Whoever it is - and I don't believe it will be Zorn even though he's shown he inspires his players to give their all, and has shown the aptitude to learn from his mistakes - I hope they recognize and retain JOE BUGEL. In my opinion, Buges has been the REAL unsung hero this season. Considering how the needs of the offensive line were all but competely disregarded by that now gone idiot Cerrato, and how the two best veterans have gone down to injury, Coach Bugel has done a phenomenal job even putting together anything that closely resembles an O-Line - he has had nothing to work worth and performed incredibly. If nothing else, let's recognize Joe Bugel for his successes. I'd like to submit his name for coach of the year. I honestly believe he's the best Offensive Line coach in the game today - and quite possibly, the best ever in the game. Here's to Coach Joe Bugel !

Posted by: whelms | December 21, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen should go to the middle of the field of announce the firing of Jim Zorn at halftime! I do not believe anyone who saw the last 20 seconds of the half can believe the head coach and offensive coaching staff should be employed in the NFL or even in Division 1-A football.

Posted by: fkephart1 | December 21, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

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