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Andre Carter has the edge on Lorenzo Alexander at OLB

Mike Jones of TBD.com did a nice job of updating the outside linebacker competition between Lorenzo Alexander and Andre Carter.

The University of California alums and good friends, who formerly played different positions, have been working at outside linebacker throughout the preseason, and even with two preseason games remaining, it appears Carter will start opposite Brian Orakpo. Alexander is still actively involved on special teams and has numerous responsibilities in many defensive packages, so having Carter start makes sense from a workload standpoint.

"The coaches haven't said anything for sure, but they have Dre running with the ones," Alexander said the other day. "Coach Has [defensive coordinator Jim Haslett] has me doing different things, and we're all going to play.

"Whoever is out there, we're all going to support each other. Dre is doing a great job, as always, and everybody is working together. I'll continue to push Dre because that will just make him better and get him ready. It's all about the competition."

Carter agrees. "It's all up to the coaches, we just go out and do our work," Carter said. "Zo is a great player. He just does so much to help our team. We're all just trying to do whatever we can to win. That's what it's all about."

By Jason Reid  |  August 25, 2010; 11:29 AM ET
 
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Based on what we've seen so far in preseason and what some of were saying about the 3-4 here, the Skins are going to have to go shopping for a real OLB in 2011. Along with a C, G, FS, WR, RB....

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 25, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter...All of our top OLB were DEs last year, and none of them can cover the TEs......(AC, OSackPo, One Man Gang, and CWilson)

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Damm...

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 25, 2010 10:26 AM ET
When asked about Redskins owner Dan Snyder on NFL Network, Deion Sanders usually says he loves him and thanks him for helping to build a new wing of his home with his final NFL contract.

Jets receiver Laveranues Coles can identify. With a matchup against the Redskins this week, Coles was asked if he had any emotions facing his former team.

"I'm very thankful to Dan Snyder for building my home down in Jacksonville," said Coles, referring to a 25,000-square foot mansion, according to Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com. "That's about it."

Unlike many veterans that came to Washington, Coles actually produced in his time in Washington. Coles was asked if Snyder is memorialized anywhere in the house.

"Maybe I'll put up a picture of him in one of his $80,000 suits or those $50,000 boots he wears," Coles joked.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

why don't they give Wilson a look!?! he's faster than both these guys and might actually have a shot at covering a back or TE. Both Carter and Zo have looked slow and unsure in space/coverage....I'm extremely nervous about them when they have to cover Celek, Whitten, Bennet, Boss, Felix Jones, Lesean McCoy, Ahmad Bradshaw in space...

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 25, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

bitter is no way to go through life lavy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 25, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Jets receiver Laveranues Coles can identify. With a matchup against the Redskins this week, Coles was asked if he had any emotions facing his former team.

"I'm very thankful to Dan Snyder for building my home down in Jacksonville," said Coles, referring to a 25,000-square foot mansion, according to Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com. "That's about it

We thank you Laveranues for helping us get Santana Moss. Thats about it.

BTW, how do you feel about your mother giving you a womans name that she couldn't even spell right?

Anyway, thanks for getting us Santana again.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 25, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

bitter is no way to go through life lavy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 25, 2010 11:47 AM

It's weird because in the past he's always spoken well about the Redskins. When the 'Skins traded for Pete Kendall, Coles was quoted in the NY Times saying that Kendall was going to "A class organization."

Posted by: beep-beep | August 25, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the sounds of this. From my perspective, Alexander has played better and has a much bigger upside. Carter has played in a 3-4 before and frankly, he's about as good as he is going to get. Relegating Alexander to the backup position because he is also a good teams player is a little unfair, and frankly, doesn't make much sense to me.

On another note, I wonder if Alexander fits into the backup fullback scenario for Friday's game...

And, oh yeah, how about that Devin Thomas sleeping in the training room? Nice to know he is working hard to get better. Still a sneaky thing to do by Brandon Banks. Realize the guy is just a kid, but you can't expose your teammates like that. I am thinking we will hear about Banks being duct taped to a goal post before the week is out....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Obscure Sports Quarterly magazine.


Mine just came in the mail. The stories are interesting.

Consider:

"Backstabbin' Friends" by Floyd Landis and Brian Mcname.

"That's Not Enough Money!" Scott Boras.

"I Am More Than Just Booty" by Serena Williams.

"Gosh is not a Cuss Word" Jim Zorn.

"St Joe Ain't Got Nothin' On Me" Tony Dungy

"Hope is a dirty, Four Letter Word" Barack Obama.

"Fuk New York" Joe Torre.

and the best story is,

"Should I Do Porn and Change my Last Name to Blowhan?" by Lindsey Lohan.

I think that last story is the one I'll go read in the bathroom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 25, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Obscure Sports Quarterly magazine.


Mine just came in the mail. The stories are interesting.

Consider:

"Backstabbin' Friends" by Floyd Landis and Brian Mcname.

"That's Not Enough Money!" Scott Boras.

"I Am More Than Just Booty" by Serena Williams.

"Gosh is not a Cuss Word" Jim Zorn.

"St Joe Ain't Got Nothin' On Me" Tony Dungy

"Hope is a dirty, Four Letter Word" Barack Obama.

"Fuk New York" Joe Torre.

and the best story is,

"Should I Do Porn and Change my Last Name to Blowhan?" by Lindsey Lohan.

I think that last story is the one I'll go read in the bathroom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 25, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

True that really all of our OLB are converted DE and that they will have some trouble covering TE, but they will have more one on one opportunities or even straight shots at the QB. But we will basically have two MLB that can tackle and cover in Rocky and Fletcher. Think that we can have a really good year as long as unsexy rexy doesn't have to lead the offense, our team can stay healthy, and we have an affective running game. Also interested to see how much Jamal Brown plays this week. Only played one series against the Ravens

Posted by: PanteraCFH | August 25, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

why don't they give Wilson a look!?!

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 25, 2010 11:46 AM

I wonder the same thing. It was the same way with the last regime too. It makes me wonder if Wilson isn't a good practice player. He always seems to make the most of the limited chances he gets during games, but coaches are never willing to bet on him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 25, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Carter stinks at OLB, he constantly over pursues his rush and they just run right under him.

Get used to seeing a lot of traps to the strong side, I have a feeling this is going to have to be addressed in the near future.

Top 2 needs going into NEXT year: OLB and WR. Hopefully that will be all. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Redskinhead: Well......the last thing Devin should be doing is sleeping, the kid has bust written all over him he and Malcom both, although Kelly's got somewhat of an excuse(chronic knee issues)anyway Banks is trying to make the team and Thomas had better be aware.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter...All of our top OLB were DEs last year, and none of them can cover the TEs......(AC, OSackPo, One Man Gang, and CWilson)

Posted by: 4thFloor

Well said. Carter and Lo are both better on the line, hand down, going forward.

Carter gives you something else that is very rare. He can play DE and rarely take a play off. In an era where DEs rotate a lot, having an every down DE is like adding an extra roster spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 25, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I sure do wish that we could infuse Lorenzo Alexander's attitude and London Fletcher's heart into every member of our team.

Posted by: TDawg1 | August 25, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

classic jabba, Moe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 25, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Laverneous Coles is still in the NFL? Thought he retired 4 years ago based on the fact that he hasn't done anything since being a Redskin. He must be real productive if the Jets traded for two monster headcases in the past year - Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes. I guess he can watch film all day on the plasma Snyder gave him.

Posted by: Section104 | August 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

meh, if Zo hasn't passed AC at OLB tells me they both aren't fit for an OLB position. I say put Chris Wilson out there for s & g's.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | August 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

AC is trying his best out there, I'll give him that BUT his skill set doesn't match a 3-4 scheme. I'd almost rather have him play strictly in 4 or more d-lineman sets. Goaline, nickel, dime and of course the 4-3. I really think he is a great trade waiting to happen. Raiders, Chiefs, Rams seem like perect fits to me. We need a real 3-4 olb immediately. Also for a lack of other options DT will be our starting wr opposite Moss, and Armstrong will be 3rd, book it.

Posted by: MaxnDC | August 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

He must be real productive if the Jets traded for two monster headcases in the past year - Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes. I guess he can watch film all day on the plasma Snyder gave him.

Posted by: Section104 | August 25, 2010 12:22 PM

He was a Bengal last year.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the other day, someone asked for a nickname for Haynesworth. How 'bout we just call him Haynes, the underpants boy. You know kinda like the 2 year old running around the house with only his underpants on and his thumb in his mouth.

Posted by: MrChili | August 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Round 1 - olb, pass rushing lb to go opposite rakpo for the next ten years

Round 2 - og, think the mold of vlad duccasse, jets 2nd rnder this past draft

Round 4 - rb, a shanny pick for 1k rusher

Of course we add jackson83 in free agency

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow. People are banging on LColes in defense of Dan Snyder. He didn't really say anything. Some of you need therapy for your schizophrenia.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 25, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Any word on whether the skins are interested in Tyler Palumbo, OT recently cut by the Broncos. He's a zone blocking type who didn't fit in McDaniel's scheme. He's a Shanahan guy and might give some good depth.

Posted by: skinswest | August 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Any word on whether the skins are interested in Tyler Palumbo, OT recently cut by the Broncos. He's a zone blocking type who didn't fit in McDaniel's scheme. He's a Shanahan guy and might give some good depth.

Posted by: skinswest | August 25, 2010 12:45 PM

We'll just have to wait and see if the 'Skins claim him off waivers.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Coles, aren't you gay?

Not saying there is anything wrong that...just sayin'

Posted by: oh_boy1 | August 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Some of you need therapy for your schizophrenia.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 25, 2010 12:42 PM

That's a mild disorder on RI, about as problematic as, say, bad breath. They won't even treat it because they're busy with the sociopaths, bi-polars, and paranoids.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Last yr of contract, of the top of my head.....

Mcintosh, starter
Rogers, starter
Portis, starter
Moss, starter

Imo this years performance with these 4 guys will determine who gets resigned.

If they keep any of the four they keep one maaayyyybe two

Thoughts????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

do some of you even follow the nfl outside of skins?

coles caught a td for bengals in playoffs just last year and very productive years in his return to the Jets.

jeesh...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Re: OLBs

We're going to have coverage issues from our linebackers. The Ravens exposed it when they started dinking and dunking their way down the field on alot of shallow routes to RBs and TEs. Instead of wasting a pick on a guy like Dennis Morris, we should have just grabbed an athletic OLB prospect.


Re: Coles

What a whiny little donkey. He got paid and he got tons of looks in the offense when he was here. He caught 90 balls one year and then complained about the offense - dude, if you want the offense to be dynamic, why don't you do something with the ball after you catch it??? You had 90 opportunities to be dynamic! He whined his way off the team and we accomodated him in a trade. I know Danny deserves to get the business from alot of people that he's wronged, but I don't see how Coles is one of them.

Posted by: p1funk | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for a HUGE step back on defense this year.

Posted by: Aerowaz | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Last yr of contract, of the top of my head.....

Mcintosh, starter
Rogers, starter
Portis, starter
Moss, starter

Imo this years performance with these 4 guys will determine who gets resigned.

If they keep any of the four they keep one maaayyyybe two

Thoughts????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"...why don't they give C. Wilson a look!?!"

I don't get that either.

I mean, two converted defensive linemen are better choices at olb than a guy in Wilson who has already converted to the position--and can also play d-line?

As President of the Wudda, Cudda, Shudda Society of RI, I wish we had humbled up and signed L Foote when he can calling.

Foote is a vet who could play both inside and outside linebacker.

He is now a stiller.

He woulda been a redskin had he been shown the money.

He had a cookie and a facility tour while he was here.

But I wish he had left town with a signed redskin contract in his hand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 25, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Random (or not so random) thoughts:
1) Carter is NOT an OLB. Am I the only one who thinks he looks completely lost standing up as an LB? Seriously...He just looks totally uncomfortable out there.

2) Having Carter play OLB reminds me of how they tried to get Landry to play free safety over the past two years. Completely NOT playing to the players strengths. And misusing their talents.

3) I think Orakpo would probably be better with a hand on the ground too. Am I wrong?

4) Not sure why, with the people we had on the roster (Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, etc), they were so intent on switching to 3-4. I HOPE it works out. And I should trust the new regime... But the personnel to me fits more of a 4-3 scheme...

Posted by: carocanesfan | August 25, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the Skins Twitter policy states about tweeting from inside a meeting room. Dumb rookie mistake by Brandon Banks! I'm sure Shanny has already called him onto the carpet. McNabb and Santana Moss have probably already pulled the young man aside and let him know that that kind of foolishness won't be tolerated in the locker room. I'll bet Brandon Banks wished he never hit the send button about now. Guys like Andre Carder and Lorenzo Alexander might have already helped D Thomas tape Banks to the goal post. Some things need to remain in-house -- the veteran leadership needs to handle this if they haven't already done so.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | August 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It will depend on a lot:

1) How do they play this year/Do any of them make the Pro Bowl?

2) How does the team do this year overall/Do we make a serious push into the playoffs and have incentive to keep the group together?

3) What kind of FA market will exist after a new CBA?

4) How do any of the young bucks "behind" them develop this season - E.G. Torain, Barnes/Tryon, Perry Riley, D.Thomas, etc?

Posted by: p1funk | August 25, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

why don't they give Wilson a look!?!

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 25, 2010 11:46 AM

I wonder the same thing. It was the same way with the last regime too. It makes me wonder if Wilson isn't a good practice player. He always seems to make the most of the limited chances he gets during games, but coaches are never willing to bet on him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 25, 2010 12:00 PM
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Sign me up for the camp of Chris Wilson should be the weakside linebacker, but methinks Haslett wants a hybrid there. My suspicion is that the base defense is going to look more like a 4-3 than a 3-4, with Zo and Dre up on the line of scrimmage, but maybe not with their hands in the dirt. He needs big guys in there to take on blocks from tackles. They'll occasionally drop back in coverage, but that might be a very rare thing, and, when they do, probably will only be matched up with a slow tight end or fullback. What we have seen of this defense so far is just plain vanilla, I-don't-want-to-show-my-hand stuff, so we haven't seen exactly what Haslett has in mind.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the Skins Twitter policy states about tweeting from inside a meeting room. Dumb rookie mistake by Brandon Banks! I'm sure Shanny has already called him onto the carpet. McNabb and Santana Moss have probably already pulled the young man aside and let him know that that kind of foolishness won't be tolerated in the locker room. I'll bet Brandon Banks wished he never hit the send button about now. Guys like Andre Carder and Lorenzo Alexander might have already helped D Thomas tape Banks to the goal post. Some things need to remain in-house -- the veteran leadership needs to handle this if they haven't already done so.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | August 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse


Okay, I'll bite. What the eff are you talking about?

Posted by: TDawg1 | August 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

tdawg,

BBanks posted a hysterical cell phone shot of DT11 sleeping in team meeting on twitter....link in previous thread.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't going to ask their OLB to go man to man very often with a TE. This will be a zone team with some zone blitzing. The Steelers aren't asking their OLBs to run down field 30 yards with a TE. The 3-4 allows you to send LBs from different spots and still allows you to drop 7 into coverage. The Skins are very vinilla right now. The Ravens played that last game like it meant something with all or their blitzes and fake punts and the Skins played it like it was a practice game.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | August 25, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

BBanks posted a hysterical cell phone shot of DT11 sleeping in team meeting on twitter....link in previous thread.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2010 1:09 PM
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what a cheap shot by BBanks...he wants to make the team I'm sure...but to put DT11 on blast like that is some BS...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 25, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't going to ask their OLB to go man to man very often with a TE. This will be a zone team with some zone blitzing. The Steelers aren't asking their OLBs to run down field 30 yards with a TE. The 3-4 allows you to send LBs from different spots and still allows you to drop 7 into coverage. The Skins are very vinilla right now. The Ravens played that last game like it meant something with all or their blitzes and fake punts and the Skins played it like it was a practice game.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | August 25, 2010 1:28 PM |
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Agreed.....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Jurge...
I'm not so concerned about having an OLB (Carter or Orakpo) chasing a TE down the field, though that thought isn't at all comforting...

I'm just totally unconvinced that Carter can be the OLB to defend the run. 1st game - over ran every play and they ran right past him (the BILLS! no less). 2nd game - pushed around by the Oline. And offenses WILL target him with the run. Defending the run was never his strength. Doing it standing up, he's even worse.

And I LOVE Carter! Just not as an OLB...

Posted by: carocanesfan | August 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I guess what I'm saying is round hole, square peg... ya know

Posted by: carocanesfan | August 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Dre, Zo, awwwwwe

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Add him to the trade bait......

So now we got

Cleatsworth

Rogers

Carter

A 4/3 team with injury bug could come a callin...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't going to ask their OLB to go man to man very often with a TE. This will be a zone team with some zone blitzing. The Steelers aren't asking their OLBs to run down field 30 yards with a TE. The 3-4 allows you to send LBs from different spots and still allows you to drop 7 into coverage. The Skins are very vinilla right now. The Ravens played that last game like it meant something with all or their blitzes and fake punts and the Skins played it like it was a practice game.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | August 25, 2010 1:28 PM |
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Agreed.....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse


The issue is that our OLBs are not the type of athletes that are going to do well in open field situations where they drop into coverage.

We have a batch of converted DEs - guys more accustomed to grappling with linemen, as opposed to dropping into a zone and reading/reacting to receivers in pass coverage.

Posted by: p1funk | August 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If Andre Carter weren't so awkward, I'd say put HIM on special teams and let Alexander play OLB. I guess the team feels Carter hurts them less only failing at one position, rather than 3 or 4.

I mean, I like Andre Carter. He's a great guy, great work ethic, never a problem. But, he's not very coordinated and he seems 2-3 steps behind everything happening around him at OLB.

Last year, he finally got DE down pretty well, only to have the rug yanked out from under him with this switch. I feel for him. But there's also a reason the 49ers gave him up when they switched to a 3 4... He doesn't fit in it.

I hope I'm wrong, but as people have noted, whenever the Bills or Ravens needed a play, they went where Carter should have been. And he didn't once disappoint them.

I'm not liking it. There's got to be an OLB out there. I can think of a couple of my friends who could play the position better than Carter.

Not encouraging.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 25, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

why don't they give Wilson a look!?!

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 25, 2010 11:46 AM

I wonder the same thing. It was the same way with the last regime too. It makes me wonder if Wilson isn't a good practice player. He always seems to make the most of the limited chances he gets during games, but coaches are never willing to bet on him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | August 25, 2010 12:00 PM

Yep. Politics. They always look first at draft order. I think it's stupid, but maybe they are exactly that. I cannot believe Carter is the best we can do at OLB, but it's all about brown-nosing, contract dollars, locker room impact, etc. Carter is a "leader," meaning he takes orders with a series of nods and a smile.

I'd take a nasty athlete over that any day. But, then again, I don't have to coach them.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think carters career here will mirror san fran...

One year in 3 4 then gone....

Sad cuz last yr he was one of our top 3 defenders

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think carters career here will mirror san fran...

One year in 3 4 then gone....

Sad cuz last yr he was one of our top 3 defenders

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | August 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING GOOD FROM HAVING CARTER OR ALEXANDER AT THE POSITION. CARTER LOOKED SLOW, WAS BEATEN SEVERAL TIMES AND CAN'T CATCH AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO TALK ABOUT COVERAGE.

Posted by: keedrow | August 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Skins should of signed Joey Porter when they had the chance! Carter and Alexander won't work this season. That area is going to be a problem. If it were me, I would start LB Henson or Riley.

Posted by: rcjur | August 25, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

BBanks posted a hysterical cell phone shot of DT11 sleeping in team meeting on twitter....link in previous thread.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2010 1:09 PM
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what a cheap shot by BBanks...he wants to make the team I'm sure...but to put DT11 on blast like that is some BS...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 25, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse
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Football is a business. If DT11 doesn't like it, next time maybe he'll drink some coffee before the meeting. Banks plays like he wants to make roster, DT11 plays like he's comfortable.

Posted by: clark202 | August 25, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

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