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Another Guest Column

Mr. Chile (I have no idea what that means) wrote an interesting take on the Skins front office, drawing from his experience in sales. I think he might be on to something here.

The guest column:

There is a fundamental personality difference between those who take on the responsibilities of a general manager and those who become a coach. A GM is, essentially, a buyer. His job is to buy the pieces of a team, the players. Buyers, by their very nature are skeptics. To get the best value, they don't believe anything they're told. They think everyone is out to screw them, and it takes many trips to the trough to gain their confidence. A coach is, essentially, a salesman.

A coach's job is to sell his system, plays, workouts, etc. to the players. A coach is in the business of gaining the confidence of his players. Why do you think we hear so often from Coach Gibbs how much he loves this or that player? It's because he has no natural skepticism. Coach Gibbs is a salesman; he loves everybody. (Have you ever heard him say something negative about anybody?) So, too is Mr. Snyder, a salesman. (Don't know about the love part, never seen him quoted)

So, with two salesmen running the operations it seems impossible to approach free-agency with the healthy level of skepticism that a good buyer, GM, should have. None of this is a criticism of the scouting department. That may, or may not, be another matter. But if that scouting department were reporting to a GM, they'd have to answer the "prove it to me" demand regularly, which would improve their skills, too.

So, Messrs Snyder and Gibbs, my plea to you is to hire a skeptic. Outstanding as you are at the jobs that you do, you lack the healthy amount of skepticism that any good buyer must have. Mr. Snyder, you may consider this a job application. I don't need the title, because I know that the Redskins don't need a GM. You just need someone with some skepticism when those other salesmen come a calling: the agents.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 9, 2007; 7:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

I believe I'll take a pass on Larry's thread.

THIS one makes sense, except for the $nyder as seller part. $nyder is definitely a buyer ... or more accurately, a consumer (possibly a carnivore). The skepticism deficit on his part is that his background is in marketing, not football. Otherwise, this is a tremendously important point b/c Cerrato does not deliver the required skepticism either.

Thanks, Chile!

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Amen and Amen.

Posted by: evan | January 9, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

800k to long snap a football about 10 times a game?

damn, instead of shooting hoops or playing back yard football every day after school I should have been snapping a football to a cardboard punter or holder....

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 9, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Ricky,
But if you miss once or twice, your bonus for the week is a plastic bag and a swift kick out the door.
Not to mention the real costs of playing in the NFL -- like paper for the letters to Madden about your player rating.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 9, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

dcsween...Dan Snyder is the consumate salesman. Let's ask this..do you still watch/live/eat/breathe the 'Skins? Yes, you do. Want to know why? Because each year Dan Snyder sells them to you. And you buy right into it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing...I love the 'Skins. "Drink the Kool-Aid"...THAT is the best salesmanship ever. You wrote "his background is in marketing" ...ummm...DUH....what do you think Marketing is?.

Not fighting...but to say he's not a Salesman....sheesh.

I think perhaps I'm done for the season. Will curl up in my "B-n-G" blanket and hibernate until mini-camp.

Go 'Skins!

Posted by: bornafan | January 9, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

dcsween...Dan Snyder is the consumate salesman. Let's ask this..do you still watch/live/eat/breathe the 'Skins? Yes, you do. Want to know why? Because each year Dan Snyder sells them to you. And you buy right into it. I'm not saying it's a bad thing...I love the 'Skins. "Drink the Kool-Aid"...THAT is the best salesmanship ever. You wrote "his background is in marketing" ...ummm...DUH....what do you think Marketing is?.

Not fighting...but to say he's not a Salesman....sheesh.

I think perhaps I'm done for the season. Will curl up in my "B-n-G" blanket and hibernate until mini-camp.

Go 'Skins!

Posted by: bornafan | January 9, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Love the Red Snapper.

[Hate the Drake.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

ABSOLUTELY ON TARGET!!! I remember the battles I had with our Comptroller, trying to get $$ added to the budget was like pulling teeth. Until they get BALANCE the bucks will fly out the door and the junk will walk in.
Don't see this problem in Balmer, huh?

Posted by: ILikeSonny | January 9, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

He hit the nail on the head here. I haven't seen a better analysis anywhere.

Posted by: Rich in Salisbury | January 9, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

bornafan, accepted. But the point of the Chile's blog starter is about the conflict between the buyer/seller mentality in the Skins' FO. I completely agree that Mr. $nyder is (or was) a seller of the Skins brand. [He had to turn that over to St. Joe when he realized that his public association with the team started becoming a liability for the brand, for sales.]

For his buyer/seller role in football operations, however, I don't think he fits into either box. He has a special box called the owner's box, which entitles him to meddle ... and if Scooby Doo taught me anything, its that its always those meddling kids who ruin everything. He's not a football guy, he's a marketing guy. HIS football guy is Vinny Cerrato. Yes, he bought Joe Gibbs, but that was to protect the brand. Mr. $nyder still keeps a hand in personnel decisions ... and his decisions are informed only by a seller (St. Joe) and an enabler (the VP of Player Personnel).

Chile is absolutely right. What the Skins need is a skeptical buyer. I'm so jealous of Baltimore -- that B-Sun article about Ozzie Newsome is still frying wires in my brain. The Skins need a football GM ... someone who can speak Gibbs. A character guy, preferrably one of those guys who was first on the field and last off. Super smart wouldn't hurt either. Hell, I'd be good with someone like Tiki Barber (he's a UVa guy, right?). How has Charles Mann been doing as a restaurant guy? I'm looking for someone (a former player) who can develop, stick to, adapt, and eke some profit out of a business plan.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the picks last night whoever said OSU...I think it was almost everyone, and 1 person at least had Florida covering. I got lucky and decided to bet against OSU because everyone assumed they'd win. What a 1st half though.

MPM

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

JLaC - I would stop doing this guest column thing. They as good as you...........

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 9, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 9, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Football guy. Eye for talent. Real skeptical. Fits with the 'brand.' How about Sonny Jurgenson? Do he and St. Joe get along OK?

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I believe I'll take a pass on Larry's thread.
THIS one makes sense...

dcsween, i concur.

and i couldn't agree more with this column. wow! mr. chile, you had me at "buyer"!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Sonny's youth would be consistent with that of the current coaching staff. Its a new business model that Buffalo is trying out. Might make St. Joe look young and spry.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I got lucky and decided to bet against OSU because everyone assumed they'd win...

pub golf, i was going to bet my house on the patsies this weekend against SD. BUT all i'm hearing now is how great brady is and bellichoke is (and i don't dislike either one of them so it's nothing personal)...what's the line like?

my fear is this: Indy beating baltimore and SD beating NE. giving Indy a clear shot to make the SB.

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Excellent analysis Mr. Chile, you really put everything in perspective.

I couldn't agree more with your observation.

Also, I agree with dcsween that the Balt Sun article about Ozzie Newsome burns. Newsome sounds like everything I'd want in a GM for my beloved Skins.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | January 9, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Ricky - Remember what you yelled to Ethan outside the hotel in Indy? Classic line:

"ETHAN!!! THAT MADDEN RATING IS BULLSH!T!!!"

awesome. what a wknd. I miss Miss Piggy.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Can't say I really agree with this.

I'd say that Danny is impetuous.

A coach can't be a good GM because often times what's in the best interest of the coach (winning the next game) isn't in the best interest of the GM, (maintaining a viable team year in and year out.)

Ultimately when faced with those decisions coach/GM's revert back to being what they are Coaches.

If they hired a GM when Gibbs was hired he'd have probably said:

Year 1: Eat some bad contracts and accelerate cap hits. Hire new coaches with a good system to implement.

Year 2: Coaches further refine their systems. Existing players feel comfortable in the system. Keep your picks in all 7 rounds, plug in some holes with FA's and with some luck make the playoffs.

Year 3: Maybe trade up for a position of need. Players should be well versed in the systems. Make a strong push for the playoffs.


Coaches Perspective:

Year 1: Win as many games as you can.

Year 2: Win as many games as you can.

Year 3: Win as many games as you can.

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Great news fans! The 'skins are already winning the off-season in the NFC East. The Tuna may go leaving the Cowpies worse than they started same for the Gi-ants and Coughlin. Hell, no more Barber and possibly keeping Coughlin = good for the 'skins. Eagles, not yet in the offseason. But the more Garcia wins the more the controversy in Philly with McNabb and the one thing that can stop Wilbon's best friend is controversy. Oh, did I mention games against the Dolphins, Bills, Lions, Pack, Vikings, Bucs, and Cards? Don't forget Saunders new improved offense against the Bears. Or, Grilliams innovative way of using Achuleta as the 12th man turning around the defense. 16 and Oh baybe! Fire up the bandwagon it's 2007!

Posted by: ilovetheoffseason | January 9, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Dealer:

Your wknd lines per Bodog - I didn't include adj payout -

Colts +4
Philly +6 (wow)
Sea +8.5
Pats +4.5

Honestly - I hate betting playoff football. College is more of a crap shoot when teams take 7948 days off before game, and Urban Meyer studies film for 1 gazillion hours. I feel like the bookies sucker me in the playoffs. Career, I'm prob 3-17. All those reg season winnings flushed. I like dogs and the points though, for whatever that is worth, and it ain't much. I've just gotten killed going w/ favorites.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know who won the Madden Bowl? I was rooting heavy for my boy Coach Mook but I was worried about Da Secret taking the whole thing. Please update me immediately.

I thought I would also bring up all of your spirits quickly. My boss who has been a Skins fan forever and is the ultimate skeptic about the team tells me yesterday out of the blue: "The Redskins are going to the Superbowl next year." I thought he was joking. "No. I am serious. The offense will be the best in the league and the defense will get its act together. The schedule will be relatively light. They will go to the Superbowl."

I don't care how old you are or how many kids/grandkids you have, male or female, you NEED to purchase these two things: The Game's new album and the Lincoln biography by Goodwin called "Team of Rivals." Two triple your pleasure, read the book while listening to the album.

I am the American Dream.

Posted by: The Governor | January 9, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I spelled two wrong. It should have been "to". Irritating.

Posted by: The Governor | January 9, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Actually looking at that schedule, and yelling at some Eagles & 'Girls fans round here...

How happy would you be with a playoff year every other year, followed by sub-500 performances. The furthest you get in the playoffs is, say, round 2 in Seattle?

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

In the spirit of uplift, attached is a new youtube link (yesterday) of Jason Campbell with plenty of Cooley. It takes a while to load (over six minutes of video), but this stuff by the 1.5 year clipboard holder makes me drool thinking about the possibilities after spending his offseason visiting his receivers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO7fGysKEw

I forgot about how much I loved that Saints game.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Oh, did I mention games against the Dolphins, Bills, Lions, Pack, Vikings, Bucs, and Cards"

Well, there's 2-5

Posted by: Reality bites | January 9, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Reality bites,
May rain never again fall on your parade(s) and hope spring eternal...or not

Undefeated!

Posted by: ilovetheoffseason | January 9, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Everyone gets taken by the bookies in the playoffs and the bowls. The SuperBowl itself is a monument to gambling stupidity, biggest betting day of the year on what should be the smallest.

Posted by: cm202bc | January 9, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Every year in the parody ridden NFL, at least one terrible team with an easy schedule goes to the playoffs. This year, it was the Jets. Next year...it will be someone.

LaRon Landry in '07.

Art Monk.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 9, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You just have to be supersmart. The way Vegas sets the lines, there are no bad bets, there are just losing ones.

Posted by: SMACK | January 9, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Reality bites, out of those teams, who do you think has any chance of improving? Of those, the only one who seem to have a prayer seems to be Arizona. If AZ goes heavy into the draft and FA to rebuild an offensive line, I fear the possibilities of the Edge, Leinart, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald (with Leonard Pope ready to step into year 2 at TE). If they do land Norm Chow, I'm seeing a decent regular season team ... their current defense is better than the Colts'.

I don't know who the Cards' GM is, but that team was a rebuild and is almost there. More GM envy.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Gov - I find it pitiful I'm so entralled watching a TV show about OTHER peeps playing video games. So I went out and bought an Xbox 360 on New Years. My life goals have been recently updated:

1. Stay single forever so that you might enjoy more Xbox.
2. Never allow anyone to see you play Elder Scrolls in your helmet on your fake horse.
3. Beat two games a month 4 ever.
4. Develop invention that allows for procreation with Xbox so that you may teach your children to play without meeting female.
5. Get glasses, 3x's bathrobe, white tube socks, Vivid Video hat, and put on 75 more lbs.

Sweet. Did anyone see that southpark where they ripped World of Warcraft? Funniest 1/2 hour EVER.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't totally disagree with "Mr. Chile," but I think Skinz is closer to the mark, and echoes what Michael Wilbon has said for years about the differences between Coaches and GMs.

Coaches want to win immediately. GMs want to build strong systems of coaching and player acquisition over the long-term. Coaches always have some kind of input with picking or keeping players in the short-term, and of course GMs want to win now, too. But despite some of this overlapping, overall the time-frame perspectives of coaches vs. GMs tend to be very different.

Another difference, and this is what Chile is referring to I think, is that GMs serve as a kind of check against both the coach and the owner, making sure that there is not too much influence concentrated in one personality. Right now the 'Skins have concentrated power in Gibbs, and he is the de facto GM/Head Coach. There is no effective check against Gibbs to, as Chile puts it, be skeptical of his decisions.

There is a fundamental difference between the functions of a coach and a GM. One person cannot do both jobs at the same time because more often than not the requirements of each position opposes the other.

The Redskins need to hire a GM.

Posted by: Rennypolis | January 9, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

pub, i'd take the colts. TRUST me b'more is paper tiger man! [of course the last time i said that the skins lost to the giants.] i HATE the colts. i hate b'more a little less. but i think the colts are going to win somehow. i'd be very happy if b'more kicks archie's boy's ass but i don't see it happening.

that's the only "stone cold lock" of the week.

the other close lock is the seahawks losing. i think they're going to lose big.

pats and bolts...with just 4 points? i don't know. that's saying that someone's putting some serious money on the patsies...and i don't know if that's smart or not.

and when you lose all your money...rember it's only a game man!

LH, that's weird! mcnaab's mom having a BLOG? some mothers man...i tellya. i wish my maama was like that sometimes.

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Great work, Chile. By the way, is that pronounced "chilly" or "chyle"?

Like the rest of you dudes, I'm haunted by that article about Ozzie Newsome. The thing about the Ravens being one of only three or so franchises which rely solely on in-house scouting operations is HUGE. So the Skins are among the 28 or how ever many teams who are essentially sharing scouting data with other teams, by using one of the same scouting services. Ugh.

This is one of those little How Things Work details that will drive me crazy.

If Danny will spend anything to succeed, why hasn't he developed an in-house nationwide scouting organization along these same lines? Oh, right, because Vinny and Pepper never suggested it. But you'd have to think that would help us as far as roster depth.

So let's review... we're getting the same intel as a bunch of other teams by using a shared scouting service, and instead of applying a deliberate, reasoned, cautious, skeptical method in sorting through that data (the "buyer" perspective Chile cites) we're applying the demonstrably meager personnel-decision-making skills of our coaching staff and, uh, Vinny. And then we're applying salary cap legerdemain to make it work for another season.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins need to draft Florida's front seven.

Posted by: disappointed | January 9, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Heh, I've used the word "intel" like twice in the past few days up here. It makes me feel all Army, like Buster.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Several Jets veterans will be released before March [including] QB Patrick Ramsey.
-- New York Daily News

Posted by: disappointed | January 9, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Whats the deal on this rumor? It was posted on a chat on ESPN....

Kevin (Manassas): I heard a rumor today that the Skins might be trading Portis and a 6th round pick to the Lions for Dre Bly, and the Lions 2nd and 3rd round picks. Your thoughts?

Matt Williamson: (12:09 PM ET ) First I heard that and it is obviously pretty odd to trade for a guy who recently suffered a major injury. That deal does seem fair however, assuming K Jones is out for quite a while. I am a big fan of Portis'. Actually, that is a bit steep to get Portis and Bly is really their only good cover guy-I can't see them moving Bly.

Posted by: Rob | January 9, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

OMG! rob! did you post that question? :) and i can't belee ESPN's editors took it! LAME!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

hey crew very busy at work. I just wanted to stop in and say. Will some team please take double G? Smack to the back of his head.

Yes Cyn Cyty I hoping if I say it enough it will happen. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 9, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I really hope we don't make that pick. Bly is old and not that great.

I'm not worried, linking a deal to the redskins that states we will get draft picks is ridiculous.

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Why trade for a running back coming off major surgery, when you can just take Adrian Peterson instead?

Portis and his fat contract are going nowhere, despite any rumors he may be planting. If the identity is now to run the ball more, we gotta have both of those dudes.

Posted by: k Squared | January 9, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys?

They still suck - Day 3.

Posted by: The Indians | January 9, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

PG, the Gov is already dead. He has a wife.

Further, the Elder Scrolls is just outstanding. It does feel like I'm cheating on Final Fantasy though (XII has been a blast so far).

These Portis trade rumors have got me terrified. Bottom line, no matter what we do, we are going to get 10 cents for our dolla bill.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 9, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If Portis gets traded I'm going to formally resign from the blog, kiss my wife and son goodbye, fly to Dulles, rent a car, siphon gas from the rental car and soak my Riggins jersey, and immolate myself on the side of Loudoun County Parkway (having been unable to get through security gates at the Park).

Yeah, that'll show 'em!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Its been a while since I stopped in, but after last nights game, I got to forget about my redskins and enjoy my Gators destroy those Buckeyes. SEC best conference in college football. Oh and if you didnt see the game, the Gators have about 4 D-lineman we could pick up in the draft. Jarvis Moss=Beast.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Disappointed up above said it best. Floridas front seven played like rabid animals last night. I havent seen the Redskins with a front seven with that intensity since the days of Dexter Manley and Charles Mann. At least my college team didnt fail me. At least the skins will win the offseason trophy.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The global influence of Joe Gibbs and his unique descriptive vocabulary is becoming more noticeable each day.

Today, at MacWorld San Francisco, the Chairman of Apple Computer, Mr. Steve Jobs, while describing a new Apple product, was quoted as follows:

"We're going to use a pointing device that we're all born with," Jobs said. "It works like magic. ... It's far more accurate than any touch display ever shipped. It ignores unintended touches. It's super smart."

We should expect that such phrases will be coming from the White House, the Kremlin, and the United Nations on a regular basis very soon.

Posted by: Johnny Appleseed | January 9, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Mawaige...mawaige mawaige mawaige.

can't wait. My roommate just broke up w/ his g-f on the foundation:

"I dunno...she just wants to...to...hang out all the time!!!"

I mean, weird right??? How much cooler are blogs, road trips, and video games???

SHOOT ME.

I think I'd be a lot more pro-laid if I didn't live in Firneck. A 9 here is a 3.5 in Bethesda.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Gator.....your boys were flying around last night, impressive victory.

Ohio State was a step too slow, and looked out of sync. Let's pump the brakes on hyping up the Gator footballers though. Aside from Emmitt and Kearse, I can't think of very many other impact NFL players, hailing from Florida U. Sorry.

Although, I may still be reeling from the 'ol ball coach era, or the Taylor Jacobs experiment.

Posted by: k Squared | January 9, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

In the final Writers' Poll of the season, the Florida Gators were voted as the #1 team in NCAA Division 1-A football,

Florida received 64 out of 65 1st place votes from the writers, following the Gators' convincing victory over the Ohio State Buckeyes in the BCS Championship game in Glendale, Arizona.

The remaining 1st place vote was cast for Boise State University, which defeated the University of Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl last week. The dissenting was cast by one Mr. Archuleta from Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Posted by: Under Dog | January 9, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Emmitt went to UF?

I coulda swore that guy was OSU. Or was that Barry?

so old now.

so old.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Chile" is really a secret code name for "Dr. Pepper".

Posted by: Noah Webster | January 9, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Jack Youngblood, Wilbur Marshall, Kevin Carter, Fred Taylor, Lito Sheppard, Chris Collinsworth, Wes Chandler, Lomas Brown

Posted by: UF football alums | January 9, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Pub....Emmitt was a Gator then a Cowboy. Barry Sanders was a Cowboy then probably wished he was never a Lion.

Posted by: k Squared | January 9, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Do you remember Wilbur Marshall? A very good linebacker for the Redskins. Reche Caldwell has done pretty well for the Patriots this year, had a 100 yard receiving game last Sunday, Kevin carter has had a very good career. For some reason people think of Florida as an offensive team, but it is their defensive players who usually do much better in the pros. Oh yeah Lito Sheppard. Please, dont hate. Ohio state hated, the media hated, Michigan fans hated. Look what happened. Give me some more time and Ill give you a longer list.
Ill give it to you about spurrier, I love my skins and gators, but I didnt think he would do that well in the pros. Of course, Gibbs has only won 1 more game in the same 3 year span. So what does that say??

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

that kinda explains him and Eddie all night last night...along w/ him on the sidelines doing the chomp.

I bet if took the SAT's right now - 675 tops.

I just drooled.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If all you are looking for is impact on an NFL team I'd like to nominate Steve Spurrier. He had an impact on the Redskins. Not a good one, but an impact non the less.

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"So let's review... we're getting the same intel as a bunch of other teams by using a shared scouting service"

What will really kill you is when it comes out that the shared scouting service is secretly owned by Mel Kiper (otherwise known in pro football circles as, "Mr. I Wouldn't Know a Sure Pick if it Hit Me in the Head").

Posted by: The Insiders | January 9, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,

Isnt your team Michigan? Sorry.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ArtMonktotheSticks...ha ha ha...ha ha ha...ha...really funny...really great fun...ha ha ha...Ask ArtMonktotheSticks what he did on Saturday and why he wouldn't go with me to the Wizards game on Friday night? Ask him why he left his boy to scalp a ticket and roll solo with his chicken tender basket and a large Coke...ask him. He will tell you the truth but spin it so somehow it sounds normal.

Lost Planet for 360 is like taking Anna Nicole Smith to the woodshed. I want it sooooooooooo bad.

Posted by: The Governor | January 9, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Ok ok I need to stop. I apologize for gloating and loving every minute of Floridas championship. I should remember the other Redskins fans who follow bad teams like Maryland and Virginia. It has been so long since I have been able to feel the joy of a championship whether it be from the skins or the gators, I wish my fellow redskins fans could share my warm fuzzy feeling, or is that just the booze. Either way, I wish all redskins fans could feel how I felt last night and today. We do have the Redskins off season to look forward to. I'm just saying, watch the front four of Florida from last night.

There is another defensive beast I forgot about from Florida, Alex Brown from the Bears. I wish he was on the redskins. But then that would have required actual scouting from The Vinny.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz2000 - Jevon Kearse also was/is a pretty good Gator d-lineman. How many brain cells did you kill last night, anyway?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | January 9, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Gatorz, congrats man. It looked like the Ohio State kids stole the collective ATVs of the Florida kids and the Florida kids decided to put metaphorical guns in the Ohio State kids' mouthpieces and make them suffer for the stealing.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 9, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Eagles fan, good luck by this weekend. And by good luck I mean I hope the team bus crashes.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 9, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

amtts, gov, pub, please keep it up...some funny shti!

so why didn't you go to the wiz game?

spurrier would've had much much much much better record had he been in a non-dysfunctional organization run by two football-idiots aka dumb and dumber!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Aside from Emmitt and Kearse, I can't think of very many other impact NFL players, hailing from Florida U"

Hopefully I killed enough, but I didnt put Kearse because this was the question put to me. I like Jevon Kearse, I just wish my favorite gators didnt go to the Redskins enemies.
I dont care how old Emmitt got, he still would run over us, I hated every time we played the cowboys.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

No my team is Penn State, not Michigan. Silly SEC fans always trying to say their conference is better than the Big Ten. I think it's funny. I call it little brother syndrome. You guys are cute.

AM and Gov will appreciate this lingo. We got you in the pocket. (Come on tell me you didn't say that back in the day.)

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Megskin........muscle milk mustache.....you like?

Posted by: Heavy D | January 9, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"It looked like the Ohio State kids stole the collective ATVs of the Florida kids and the Florida kids decided to put metaphorical guns in the Ohio State kids' mouthpieces and make them suffer for the stealing."

ArtMonkToTheSticks

I had to laugh at that one, but you have the Gators confused with the Thug-lifers a bit further south. Some call them Hurricanes, or this year they could be referred to as an Ocean fart

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gator, I stand corrected. A fellow alum put up some recognizable names.

Man, really missed it on Wilber Marshall, I loved that guy. Not hating on your team, gotta support your school. It is cool, though that they hold both the Nat'l Championship in football and basketball right now.

By the way, I am a Maryland alum, what can you tell me about Josh Portis? As you may know, he transferred here last year, I hope he can add a different look to Freidge's offense.

Posted by: k Squared | January 9, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

We are.....Marshall!!! haha I couldnt resist. I know you have to hate that commercial everytime it comes on.

The Big10 did very well this year. Reference the Big 10 champ vs the SEC champ. 41-14, I cant see your point on that argument

And why is Ohio State 0-8 vs SEC teams??? Hmmmm very interesting.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Gibbs is a salesman; he loves everybody. (Have you ever heard him say something negative about anybody?)"

Yeah, that's his public face. You really don't know if he criticizes his players personally behind closed doors.

If I were the coach, I too would never do it publically. I would almost always criticize behind closed doors.

Posted by: charlie | January 9, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Josh Portis is going to be good. I believe he is Clintons' cousin. He is FAST!!! It all depends how the Fridge uses him. He left because of Tebow, and definitely wouldnt play now that the #2 QB in the country committed to Fl. I believe they also wanted to move him to receiver or tailback, but he didnt want to. He chose a bad year to leave though I'll tell you that.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Best arcade video game ever:

Super Sprint

Posted by: MV Dame | January 9, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wilbur Marshall - a beast. Tallest whiplash brace/pad in history. I was sooo pissed off when I read Charlotte's Web and chubby little fairy pig was Wilbur, and I knew anything named Wilbur should have scales, claws, fangs, and a couple of convictions stemming from arguments in NE DC.

Lost Planet huh? Just read about that at gamespot. Good hype along with Gears of War, Midway, and Halo 3. Locating Gears of War is like trying to find a virgin on the Gator cheerleading squad this AM after being locked up in the same hotel as the Nat Chmps all night.

speaking of -
Was it me or were they max'n out at a B cup? OSU def won that game. And the crowd search game as well. I know UF brings it on campus though. Friggin utopia. I'd trade the Xbox for 2 years as an adjunct with a 9 strike policy in Gainesville. hellz bellz I would.

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why? Why is Michigan 18-5-1 against the SEC?

I'm not taking anything away from the win. I am no fan of Ohio State trust me. I do believe if that game is played again it could go the other way. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas.

I lived in Atlanta and every SEC fan is fixated on the SEC vs. Big Ten thing. It's like every conference comparing itself to the ACC in Bball though.

Either way congrats.

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Florida Gators stink. This is the same school that gave the REDSKINS Steve "'ol ball coach" Spurrier. Yeah, go coach em up.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 9, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

No matter who my Terps get, they'll be several athletes short when they have to match up with the bog boys.

Skinz...yes man, we said that.

Dealer, as Keith Bogans told me when he punted my layup attempt at our first AAU practice into the bleachers: 'This ain't fo' you son...'

I will only say that it was my Christmas present to my special lady friend. It absolutely could be used against me in a court of chooch law hearing. I will say that I no longer own my special coin purse. It is on display of the mantle piece of her living room at her old sorority house in a sterile beaker labelled:

"Alias: Art Monk. Conquered 3/06."

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 9, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I just hope Vinny watched a good bit of College football this year. There are some very good D-linemen coming out in the draft. And no I am not just referring to the gators, but in general, we should be able to pick up a good DL this draft. Unless we trade our 1st rd pick away for new gatorade coolers from The Broncos. we know how Vinny likes to deal with the Broncos.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I just want to say that I'd be remiss if I let you all discuss the 360 without mentioning the giddy feeling I get each and everytime I chainsaw through someone and the blood splatters in Gears. I keep thinking I'll get tired of it but no i never do.

Posted by: Skinz | January 9, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

NFL Commisioner on a sunny Sat in NYC sometime in April:

"And for the 6th pick, there has been a trade...of sorts. The Redskins, because they painted the locker room in "motivational colors" of Orange and Blue in the year 2002, have forfieted the 1st round pick to the Broncos. Denver is now on the clock."

Posted by: Pub Golf | January 9, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

EXTRA EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT:


DALLAS COWBOYS BETTER THAN WASHINGTON REDSKINS.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 9, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I actually kind of like that one. I like shouting out mildly negative comments. That is funny.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

When I hear the Redskins and Broncos talking trade, I think of the Skins as Jody Foster, and the Broncos as those 3 a holes around the pinball machine.

Posted by: k Squared | January 9, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Extra Extra Read all about it!!!

Redskins: No div. title
Dallas: No div. title


Redskins: No Playoff wins
Dallas: No Playoff wins


Redskins: 6th pick in draft.
Dallas: 22nd pick in draft.

2006 season edge: Redskins.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 9, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Pub-
If that happened it honestly wouldnt faze me. Its like when you see some kid do something so dumb, you want to ring his neck. But it has gotten to the point where all you do is sit there and shake your head in bewilderment. Nothing about our draft picks and silly trades matter anymore. We shouldnt have cleaned house last year, with the exception of getting 1 receiver and getting rid of Gibbs Christian partner Brunell. We could have been in the playoffs. And kept Pierce.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz2000, Vinny doesn't actually watch college football ... or pro football ... at least not live, except for the glimpses of the games he catches from the owner's box. He's more of a raquetball kind of guy. Helps him relax. Game film is "work". He keeps his work life and free time separate.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS for whom did you play AAU ball?

Posted by: Konchalski | January 9, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Actual question to The Vinny:

Richmond, Va.: Do you feel as though the skins will be able to keep Champ Bailey past this year?

Vinny Cerrato: Yes. No question.

Jamison, Pa.: If you had to pick just one player that you are most excited about, right here and now, on the Redskins this year, who would it be?

Vinny Cerrato: Anxious to watch Coles play and see the next step with him.

San Francisco, Calif.: Do you have any intentions of leaving the Redskins anytime soon and returning to the 49ers? We need help!

Vinny Cerrato: No thank you. Been there, done that.

Washington, D.C.: When will the transition period end? I understand that every team needs to rebuild at some point; however, it seems like we are rotating through players and coaching staff a little too often. T

Vinny Cerrato: I think we have put a foundation together now that will be together for about three years for sure.

Germantown, Md.: Come on! Tell us about Smoot. Do you think he'll be here long term?

Vinny Cerrato: Yes. I believe so.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | January 9, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Ever since the Washington Redskins closed out their highly disappointing season with a 34-28 loss to the New York Giants on Dec. 30, many have been pondering the future status of the former's star running back, Clinton Portis. The 25-year-old has been among the NFL's most productive ball carriers throughout his short career, but he missed most of last season with injuries to his shoulder and ankle.

In the absence of Portis, career backup Ladell Betts stepped in and thrived behind Washington's above-average offensive line. The five-year veteran appeared in all 16 games for the 5-11 Redskins, started in nine, rushed for a terrific 1,154 yards on an eye-popping 4.7 per-carry rate and added 53 receptions from the backfield, which was just four behind Santana Moss' team-leading 57.

Between Nov. 26 and Dec. 24, the ex-second-round pick from Iowa had five straight games of 100-plus yards rushing, with his best being a 33-carry, 171-yard extravaganza against the Philadelphia Eagles on Dec. 10.

Because of the 27-year-old Betts' emergence and subsequent five-year contract extension Washington rewarded him, some are hoping the team sends Portis to a needy club for a high-round draft choice. Not so fast, though. Portis' contract may be a big burden to carry for the Redskins, but, thanks to victory-hungry owner Dan Snyder, they're one of the richest franchises in the league. Put simply, money doesn't seem to be any object for the organization, as has been evidenced so often in the past.

In the current NFL, it's often beneficial to have an effective two-back system. In fact, of the eight playoff teams remaining, all have a pair of runners at least capable of performing well on any given Sunday. The best example, of course, is the NFC's New Orleans Saints , a squad that brings the versatile attack of Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush.

The 5-foot-11, 212-pound Portis was banged up this past season, but is that really a reason to put him on the trading block? Absolutely not. The soon-to-be sixth-year man still averaged 4.1 yards per carry in 2006 and racked up an impressive seven touchdowns in just eight games, which compares favorably to Betts' four scores in eight more contests.

And one can't ignore Portis' overall career numbers. The speedster, who was a second-round pick of the Denver Broncos in 2002, opened his career with four straight seasons of 1,300-plus yards rushing, including three years eclipsing the 1,500-yard plateau. He did all of that while missing only four games, which is an impressive feat for the RB position, known as one of the most bruising in football.

When the offseason reaches its peak in terms of free agency and the draft, the Redskins will have plenty of roster adjustments to make. Running back, however, shouldn't be an area worth tinkering with. And that's a sentiment echoed by the team's head coach, Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs:

"We feel great about those two guys carrying the ball for us. They've been great partners in the past."

**E-mail: cbyrne@realfootball365.com.

Posted by: 4th Floor via Football365 | January 9, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Scott Pioli (personell guy for the Patriots) will be the next great GM. Too bad Snyder and Gibbs don't want a GM, because if anyone could make Mr. Pioli an offer he can't refuse, it would be the Danny.
Could you imagine, we fire Vinny C, hire Pioli as GM, use Snyder's money to get the players Pioli picks and have Gibbs coach them?
Oh, what could be.

Posted by: Hire Pioli | January 9, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just let me be? It's because of you that I'm like this! I ain't got nothing... I ain't nowhere... Get... off me! I can't stand being like this no more, Redskins Insider. I wish I could quit you.

Posted by: OB'd | January 9, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Eleanor Roosevelt (Derrick Harvey) rulz!!

Posted by: spunky | January 9, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

w/r Harvey. He would certainly fit in here. He didn't record a sack all season until last night.

Posted by: LH | January 9, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Pioli just turned down the Giants, which presumably were ready to pay some real money, because he wanted to stay with Belichik. Pioli wouldn't like it here.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I remember Marty saying he wouldn't like it here too, then Snyder gave him a couple million reasons to think differently.
Guess we all know it will never happen, because Snyder doesn't want a GM... although, Parcells is looking for a GM job... would that be a big enough name for Snyder to consider? (of course, as a life long Skins fan I would be sick if Parcells came on board)

Posted by: Hire Pioli | January 9, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

LH said: "w/r Harvey. He would certainly fit in here. He didn't record a sack all season until last night."

??? IIRC, announcers said he had 8 sacks so far this season (now 11).

Posted by: spunky | January 9, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

What does 'w/r' stand for? Only Leanard Hand does this and i am tryin to figure out why? Thanks.

Posted by: 4th | January 9, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

4th, it means 'with respect to'

what i don't know is what IIRC means.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

never mind. i'm going to guess 'if i recall correctly'

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

4th,

IIRC = if I recall correctly

if I recall correctly, that is.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Aaaargh, is it really this bad that we're deciphering internet shorthand?

Come on, bloggies! We ran through two fairly good topics and a nat'l championship with like a few dozen comments. We'll never get to 100K with that kind of half-assed effort! Let's go!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 9, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Calm down Nate. The Gators without question did their thang last night.

Posted by: jm220 | January 9, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The collapse of his unit over the second half of the season has cost Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer his job

Take notes Dan! Double G D collapse all season. Kick his ass out now!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 9, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What Nate said! Eyes on the prize, people! 100k by NFL Draft Day!
This, btw, is 23,844

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 9, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

What Nate said! Eyes on the prize, people

I agree 100% Cyn. And I keep my eyes on the prize. Will some other team please take double G? LOL

Posted by: jm220 | January 9, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I have a feeling that Cerrato would draft the paralyzed kid from "Friday Night Lights."

And is it just me, or is it no coincidence that the kid who is a tough running back on FNL has the last name of "Riggins"?

Posted by: disappointed | January 9, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Helooooooo. Is there anyone out thereeeeee? lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 9, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected regarding Harvey. The NCAA credits him with 7 sacks during season. Another site - http://scoreboards.aol.com/football/ncaaf/player/23883/player.aspx - had him with zero sacks.

Posted by: LH | January 9, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

it's friggin TUESDAY!!!!!! of NEXT week!!!!! how much longer is gibbs going to meet with danny? we want ANSWERS!!!!!! we want to hear PLANS! It's been 240 hours! two HUNDRED forty!!! c'mon Joe let's go!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

it's friggin TUESDAY!!!!!! of NEXT week!!!!! how much longer is gibbs going to meet with danny? we want ANSWERS!!!!!! we want to hear PLANS! It's been 240 hours! two HUNDRED forty!!!! since the worst season for a defense in the NFL and the worst season of Red Lancer's franchise!!!!!! c'mon Joe let's go!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Nate, I'm dry on the championship last night. My guy (the OTHER UF corner) did nothing in particular.

I'm still stuck on the free safety/strong safety distiction. Ryan Clark is a free safety, Polomalu is a strong safety. That makes sense to me. Sean Taylor is a free safety and the other guy (won't say the name anymore) and Vernon Fox play strong safety. That doesn't make sense to me. Also doesn't make sense that Sean Taylor (free safety) weighs 20 pounds more than Lemar Marshall (MLB).

Jason, if you check in, let us know how to pronounce your last name. I've heard lots of radio talk about your part in the Lost Season series (you seem to get credit for all three -- bummer for Howard and Les). Some put the accent on the CAN and others accent the FOR. Which way is the way you say it?

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

>>> "The collapse of his unit over the second half of the season has cost Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer his job"

Probably cost him his marriage, too.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 10, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Diddy, good one... dang it's quiet in here. Yeah, yeah, it's past midnight out east. But it's been quiet most of the day.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Watching the hand-wringing in the places filling head coaching vacancies, and running through the mostly same old-same old lists of candidates interviewing for each one, makes me more and more grateful that we know who our fearless leader will be next year.

Replacing the HC or either off/def coordinator almost always signals the beginning of a year or more watching half or all of the team struggle through a learning curve.

I know there are a lot of Gibbs bashers up here, but I for one am glad we'll have relative stability in the main coaching positions in the wake of this difficult year. Give these dudes an offseason to work with the young QB, get everyone on the same page offensively, get the dang defense fixed, etc.

I have the utmost faith in them as COACHES, mind, not as personnel pickers or roster managers.

Yes, jm220, I'm even happy that Grilliams appears to be sticking around. Everybody has a bad season now and again, and I'm willing to give him a Gmulligan for 2006 (though it would help if he would step to the podium for a very public smack in the back of the head).

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 10, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

but what about nate clements?...who else could we get in FA that would shore up the CB pos.? cuz thats all we really need...that and a pass rusher on the end....same as last year, we just needed another WR, CB, DE
NOT another SS, Off.Co., and two overpriced recievers....
sigh.....
HAIL TO THE DEADSKINS

Posted by: shadam242 | January 10, 2007 4:40 AM | Report abuse

What we need on defense....We need other positions a lot more than we need a corner.

In order of need (at least according to me):

1) D lineman who can REALLY put heat on the QB (a solid pass rush makes every corner look better)

2) A real middle linebacker with some size as a run stopper

3) Another outside LB to go with Marcus (and I don't know if Rocky can do that -- but the reason we don't know is the D coaches)

4) A decent corner for depth (and PRAY for a healthy Springs)

5) Safety. I think we'll be OK assuming Prileau (sp) is back

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | January 10, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Re: the Pro Bowl...

Won't it be weird watching Samuels protecting Ro-Moron's blindside?

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