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Kyle Shanahan isn't surprised by Anthony Amstrong's success

As usual, Rick Maese did a nice job in his post the other day about unheralded wide receiver Anthony Armstrong, who has impressed in his bid to earn a spot on the opening 53-man roster.

Fellow Redskins beat reporters John Keim and
Rich Campbell provided even more detail in their reports Thursday about Armstrong, and both are great reads.

Count offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan among Armstrong's fans.

"He hasn't been a surprise," Shanahan said. "He was a surprise when he got here because I didn't know who he was. But he's been this way since OTAs.

"We expected it from him. We just wanted to see if he could do it in the games because he's never had that opportunity. And he's done it so far."

Armstrong's talent is obvious, Shanahan said, and he's "a guy who can run and who is fast and also has the quick twitch to get in and out of breaks. He has the hands and has everything it takes to be a receiver.

"You wonder, when a guy has never had a career catch preseason or regular, what's the deal. So we wanted to get him under the lights. He hasn't flinched at all. He's been the same at practice. You can tell we've got a good player."

By Jason Reid  |  August 26, 2010; 11:51 AM ET
Categories:  Anthony Armstrong , wide receivers  
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Wait...Keim provided more detailed analysis than the Post?

No way.

Here's to AA on FIRST team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 26, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

This is great news. I remember on one of McNabb's underthrows against the Ravens, Armstrong shook the hell out of the DB covering him (not the actual one he caught), and the ball was just thrown short.

Sounds like Armstrong has made enough of an impression to be penciled in for a roster spot. Likely that means one of either Terence Austin or Brandon Banks hits the practice squad (if nobody else snatches them up).

Still waiting to see something from Galloway.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Promising... a burner with sticky hands.

Posted by: bhoang888 | August 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Armstrong makes the final roster, and I suspect Kelly won't....

Posted by: gr8fullted | August 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"You wonder, when a guy has never had a career catch preseason or regular, what's the deal. So we wanted to get him under the lights. He hasn't flinched at all. He's been the same at practice. You can tell we've got a good player."

By Jason Reid | August 26, 2010; 11:51 AM ET

Jim Zorn wouldn't put him on the field because he was obsessed with height. But isn't the owner living proof that good things come in short packages?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on how the WRs will end up:

Moss
Armstrong
DT
Austin
Banks
Galloway

Bye bye MK. Take your bad knees, bad hammies and Madden speed rating of 75 elsewhere.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Terence Austin or Brandon Banks

psp, of the 2, I think that banks makes the team based on his return ability...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

2010 WRs

Moss
Galloway (unfortunately)
Thomas (inconsistent, but talented and plays teams)
Armstrong (plays teams and has elite hands)
Banks (special teamer w/ ELITE speed)

1 spot for
Williams ( most polished but zero upside)
Kelly (has size, hands, but NOTHING else)
Wade (plays teams, but also has no upside)

That's if they go with 5 plus a specialist, McNabb's injury and reputation for injuries may cause Shanahan to go with 3 QBs and therefore you can say goodbye to the 3 guys battling for the 1 spot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I think they've been putting in too much time on DT to predict they'll let him go.

It may be his last season here, but I just don't see it after spending all this time on him.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 26, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

If Banks has another big night against either the Jets or Cards, they have to keep him. Put him on the practice squad and somebody else will make the smart move and grab him.

Between Austin and Kelly, I gotta take Austin. Kelly doesn't look reliable, and I don't remember him ever making plays when he was in there. I think in the past two years, he's had one big catch. Austin shows a lot of upside and plays ST's.

If I keep Kelly, it's because I kept 7 instead of 6 WR's, and Banks is basically the staff return guy listed as a WR.

Posted by: edvar | August 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

2010 WRs

Moss
Galloway (unfortunately)
Thomas (inconsistent, but talented and plays teams)
Armstrong (plays teams and has elite hands)
Banks (special teamer w/ ELITE speed)

1 spot for
Williams ( most polished but zero upside)
Kelly (has size, hands, but NOTHING else)
Wade (plays teams, but also has no upside)

That's if they go with 5 plus a specialist, McNabb's injury and reputation for injuries may cause Shanahan to go with 3 QBs and therefore you can say goodbye to the 3 guys battling for the 1 spot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 12:13 PM

No love for Austin?

Posted by: edvar | August 26, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Terrance Austin is probably head to the practice squad....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I think they've been putting in too much time on DT to predict they'll let him go.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 26, 2010 12:17 PM

The one who's put too much time in on DT is Jason Reid.

They have to be disappointed in his production for all they've put into the guy. And, I don't think Shanahan has much time for guys who fall asleep in team meetings.

Reid mentioned in one post that they'd had trade offers for DT. If they can get something decent for him, he's gone.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Thomas, Armstrong gotta be locks.

Keep Banks around somehow. Can't teach speed.

Austin on the PS.

That leaves Kelly, Galloway, Wade, Williams. Haven't seen much from any of them.

What's Bobby Wade been doing?

Has Keim or Reid had any report on how Galloway has looked? I know they put a quote from Shanny up here about how he likes his experience, but I haven't seen or heard much from the players or journalists.

If you have Moss w/ 70-80 catches, Cooley and Davis w/ 100-110, RB's w/ 30-40, that leaves about 80-120 catches up for grabs in a higher than average passing year for McNabb (granted these numbers are from Philly where its 65-35 pass/run and of course he's likely to miss some time).

Between Thomas, Aldridge, and 2 other wideouts, 'Skins really need one guy to scare defenses with deep routes, and someone w/ crisp route running and can get in and out of breaks in the 10-15 yard range.

Posted by: saltine182 | August 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Moss
Galloway
DT
Armstrong
Banks
And all the guys fighting for this one last spot.

We'll carry six WRs since most of our special teams/return personnel come from this group.

DT will make it because there was talk of people inquiring/possible trade talk about him in the off season. We will not let him just go when we could have received something for him in the off season.

Austin could be a practice squad guy. Banks can make a big play throughout the season and can give us 10-12 yards a return for better field position...that will make the team. And, the Shannys can probably scheme how to get Banks the ball in open field at times through the year...

Just my 2 cents worth...

Posted by: redskinbo | August 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

No love for Austin?

Posted by: edvar | August 26, 2010 12:28 PM

Sure, but more for Banks. Austion to the practice squad.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

For all the chatter about the receiver position, the lack of depth and versitility on our o-line back ups is what what doom the season.

Who makes it to 9/12/10:

Edwin Williams
Chad Rhinehart
Wil Montgemory
Eugene Cook
Selvish Capers
Will Robinson
Clint Oldenburg
Kory Lichtensteiger


Moe sees CR's card getting pulled, and some dude cut from another team getting added.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Haven't I already told all you guys? Devin Thomas is a lock for the roster.

So far it goes (in terms of likelihood to make the roster):

(1) Moss
(2) Thomas
(3) Armstrong
(4) Galloway
(5) Banks
(6) Williams
(7) Kelly
(8) Austin
(9) Wade

Austin is so low based on his practice squad availability. Kelly is neck and neck with Williams and slightly ahead of Wade, but only because he's so uncertain. A good performance once he gets healthy boosts him above Williams. Poor performances secure his spot on the cut list. Moss and Thomas are already in, Armstrong is well on his way, if not already earned. Banks has a clear edge on Austin as the return ace.

My guess is the top 5 on that list make the team easily, with 6 and 7 being a toss-up based on Kelly's recovery and performance in the last game/week of practice.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

2nd round pick to the eagles for a 34 year old

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins had played better on special teams last year, it might have meant an extra victory or two. Not much when you're talking about a 4 win club, but a difference maker if you're contending for a playoff spot.

On footballoutsiders' measures, Washington finished 23rd last season, a slight improvement from the year before but nothing to write home about. It's usually blamed on not keeping enough adept ST players on the final roster. Philly finished ranked 2nd, Dallas 14th, and the Giants, who had a really awful season outside of the offense, were ranked 27th.

Of course, really strong teams can get by with poor ST play. NO finished 28th.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Sure, but more for Banks. Austion to the practice squad."


Can't say I agree with this.

I'd keep the young'ns--Thomas, Austin, Banks, and Armstrong--on the roster and find a way to get them serious on field time.

We're talking about developing four guys with sub 4.4 speed who can also play teams.

The skins need youth and speed at the wr position position, so let Furrey, Wade, and Williams see the door on their way out of camp.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The Smurfs 2.0 - Moss, Armstrong, and Austin.
Featuring Chris Cooley as Don Warren and Fred Davis as the poor mans Art Monk, because God knows we need one tall guy in there that's not the number 1 Tight End. Now lets wait for someone to freak out over a poster using Fred Davis and Art Monk in the same sentence.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I always thought they'd be looking to add a vet OL, probably a guard, from another club late in camp. Even before Mike Williams' went down. Maybe one of the present crew will step up, but I wouldn't be surprised if the team signs someone else.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

If it was up to me, a soon to be 39 yr old Galloway wouldn't be on the roster. It's not and MS loves vets, and therefore Austion to the PS and Galloway on the 53 man.

I'd roll with
Moss
Thomas
Armstrong
Banks
Austin
Williams

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"We're talking about developing four guys with sub 4.4 speed who can also play teams."

Moe, I think you've got this a little mixed-up.

Thomas can play teams.

Armstrong, Banks, and Austin really can't (especially Banks and Austin). They are returners, but not really special teamers in the full sense. There's no shot you would put Banks or Austin (and I'm guessing Armstrong too) on coverage units. They would get injured way too easily, and their ability to tackle is non-existent given their size. Same applies for return units outside of being the designated returner. One of them will be a punt returner, but the other two will be sitting on the sideline for ST.

That's why I say you can only keep two of them on the active roster, especially if Galloway makes the team (as he doesn't play teams either). One will have to go to the practice squad.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

2nd round pick to the eagles for a 34 year old

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Nate Allen is that 2nd round pick's name and we sure as heck could use him right now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 26, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"We're talking about developing four guys with sub 4.4 speed who can also play teams."

Moe, I think you've got this a little mixed-up.

Thomas can play teams.

Armstrong, Banks, and Austin really can't (especially Banks and Austin). They are returners, but not really special teamers in the full sense. There's no shot you would put Banks or Austin (and I'm guessing Armstrong too) on coverage units. They would get injured way too easily, and their ability to tackle is non-existent given their size. Same applies for return units outside of being the designated returner. One of them will be a punt returner, but the other two will be sitting on the sideline for ST.

That's why I say you can only keep two of them on the active roster, especially if Galloway makes the team (as he doesn't play teams either). One will have to go to the practice squad.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 12:53 PM
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Though clearly the Redskins have their own opinion, I would rather they went with the young guys and give Galloway a decent retirement party. I'd send DT and MK out via trade or just through the facility exit, and not look back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

malcolm makes the team... they will likely put him on ir at the beginning of the season... that means he will have 6-8 more weeks to get healthier...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | August 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to Armstrong deep on opening day against Dallas.

I'm guessing 45 yards for a TD.

Dallas' secondary is not scary at all, they will be paying attention to Santana(Cowboy Killer).

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

saw the play McNabb got injured on ... but the ESPN angle is pretty bad and they roll the play after its already begun.

Still ... the goal of this play design appears to be to get the QB hurt. Two guys came right up the middle untouched. And it looked like Rabach was running a pass pattern.

I don't have video to review it more carefully to see if someone whiffed or an RB didn't get in the right spot, but that was ugly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

2nd round pick to the eagles for a 34 year old

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Nate Allen is that 2nd round pick's name and we sure as heck could use him right now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 26, 2010 12:57 PM
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who's Nate Allen?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

malcolm makes the team... they will likely put him on ir at the beginning of the season... that means he will have 6-8 more weeks to get healthier...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | August 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Do you mean the PUP list, because if they put him on IR he'll have 16 weeks plus the playoffs to get healthy.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Lions beat out Texans, Seahawks for Tyler Polumbus
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 26, 2010 1:15 PM ET
It was a surprise on Tuesday when the Denver Broncos waived offensive tackle Tyler Polumbus. It's no surprise that multiple NFL teams put in waiver claims on him.

Polumbus has been awarded to the Lions, and Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Texans and Seahawks also put in claims for Polumbus. The Lions get him because they had the worst 2009 record of the three teams.

Polumbus has played in every game but one for the Broncos since signing as an undrafted free agent out of Colorado in 2008. Last year he started eight games, and he said he expected to make the team this year as well.

"It was a little unexpected," Polumbus said. "But I'm just blessed to have been able to start my career here in Denver in my hometown."

Now he gets to take his talents to Detroit.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

malcolm makes the team... they will likely put him on ir at the beginning of the season... that means he will have 6-8 more weeks to get healthier...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | August 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Do you mean the PUP list, because if they put him on IR he'll have 16 weeks plus the playoffs to get healthy.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM
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If he can't play in the last preseason game, I could see him going on the PUP. If he plays in the last game and doesn't perform, I think he gets cut.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is going to look at everything a guy does when he makes his WR call. And that includes blocking.

Shanahan's 1 cut run scheme depends on having the threat of an RB who can turn the corner (not sure we have on of those, but ...). A big part of turning the corner is having a WR that can block the CB or seal an inside LB.

If Thomas (and/or Kelly) are still here, run blocking will likely be a big part of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to Armstrong deep on opening day against Dallas.

I'm guessing 45 yards for a TD.

Dallas' secondary is not scary at all, they will be paying attention to Santana(Cowboy Killer).

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM
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I'm good with that but you have to follow up with a spleen-rupturing sack of Romo by Osackpo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Polumbus to the lions, does that equal Jansen to retirement?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

MK12 not eligible for the PUP list. If you go on IR, you can't come back this season....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to Armstrong deep on opening day against Dallas.

I'm guessing 45 yards for a TD.

Dallas' secondary is not scary at all, they will be paying attention to Santana(Cowboy Killer).

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM
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I'm good with that but you have to follow up with a spleen-rupturing sack of Romo by Osackpo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Which he fumbles, to be picked up by Laron Landry and mailed home.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

@MistaMoe, You made the followinig comment on the Grossman subject,"Yes, D-Mac doesn't have Troy Aikman type accuracy."

So, I did some research because I was curisous about that statement. This is what I found:

Aikman completed 2898 of 4715 attempts. He threw 165 TDs and 141 Interceptions. He threw for 32,942 yards, had a Rating of 81.6, and a completion percentage of 61.5.

McNabb has completed 2801 of 4746 attempts. He has thrown 216 TDs and 100 Interceptions. He has thrown for 32,873 yards, has a Rating of 86.5, and a completion percentage of 59.

I think the two of them are very close in their stats as far as accurancy goes. Giving the fact that Aiken threw 41 more interceptions to date, might lead a person thinking McNabb is just as accurate.

Posted by: dbailey211 | August 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Polumbus to the lions, does that equal Jansen to retirement?
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 1:27 PM

Yeah bean, he’s “retiring”….just like Nixon did.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Roydell Williams should make the team, he's been more consistent than Galloway

Posted by: destewar | August 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Polumbus to the lions, does that equal Jansen to retirement?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

actually heard on Sirius NFL that they have lost so much confidence in the young tackle they drafted that Jansen might start...might mean polumbus in to back up jansen and push the draft bust further down chart.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So this 18 game season thing…IMO this is simply highlighting the greed of the owners. There isn’t anything “wrong” with a 16 game season; nothing’s broken, so nothing needs fixing. All they see is more money from the stadium revenues and television contracts. Assuming that not all teams “sell out” their preseason games like the skins. They should actually take a cue from the players in this case. The players are just as greedy as the owners, and would likely benefit from getting X percent more money from the extension (I am assuming that this would be a natural inclusion in the CBA negotiations), but in this case, they are saying no, please don’t do this…..this is NOT how we want to make more money.

I usually side with the owners when it comes to these labor things, but in this case I gotta go with the players. This is pure and simple greed from the owners…..If they want to make a good change they should have the super bowl on Saturday night instead of Sunday so I don’t have to take a vacation day or call out sick the day after. Just me though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's 1 cut run scheme depends on having the threat of an RB who can turn the corner (not sure we have on of those, but ...). A big part of turning the corner is having a WR that can block the CB or seal an inside LB.

If Thomas (and/or Kelly) are still here, run blocking will likely be a big part of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 |********

Zeke, as usual, is right on the nose here. I am going to be interested to see what impact Kyle has on Mike's personnel decisions. I think there will be some. Also, while Mike likes to run, Kyle (at least in Houston) really liked to pass. Of course, he had different talent there and weather was not the factor it will be late in the year in the NFC East.

Posted by: manlius1 | August 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The closer Sept. 12th gets the more I become aware of the fact that the Redskins will improve but they will not be "good". I.e. I doubt they will have a winning record. Just my opinion, Now I'll just move along to the acceptance phase.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | August 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll add this about the Ravens game, I think LLandry is gonna have a big year....he might not get a ton of int's, but he's gonna be straight up SMEARING guys all over the field....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why anyone would side with owners over players myself...but thats just how i roll...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has completed 2801 of 4746 attempts. He has thrown 216 TDs and 100 Interceptions. He has thrown for 32,873 yards, has a Rating of 86.5, and a completion percentage of 59.

I think the two of them are very close in their stats as far as accurancy goes. Giving the fact that Aiken threw 41 more interceptions to date, might lead a person thinking McNabb is just as accurate.

Posted by: dbailey211 | August 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If McNabb wins a SB with us, he's a lock for the HoF.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Texans and Seahawks also put in claims for Polumbus. The Lions get him because they had the worst 2009 record of the three teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM |

Interesting that the 'Skins didn't try to get him. Since Polumbus played a year for Shanahan, it says Shanahan likes the ones he's already got better.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"I don't have video to review it more carefully to see if someone whiffed or an RB didn't get in the right spot, but that was ugly."

I wanna say Larry Johnson "whiffed." I seem to recall he missed badly on one play and that might have been it.

I think LJ doesn't make the team, He SUCKS at pass blocking. Both of those kids are pretty good and if it were me I'd send LJ packing.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

cl, the young tackle was that the kid from BC who they took in the first a few years back??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The closer Sept. 12th gets the more I become aware of the fact that the Redskins will improve but they will not be "good". I.e. I doubt they will have a winning record. Just my opinion, Now I'll just move along to the acceptance phase.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | August 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

blasphemous!

11-5 will be the record.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"cl, the young tackle was that the kid from BC who they took in the first a few years back??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

yeah bean I think...Lions are going to be much improved this season I think. Very good skill guys on offense.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I usually side with the owners when it comes to these labor things, but in this case I gotta go with the players. This is pure and simple greed from the owners….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:37 PM

I think it's a win-win. 18 games means more money for the owners AND for the players.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why anyone would side with owners over players myself...but thats just how i roll...
Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:40 PM

Both sides are so greedy it almost sickens me….I guess I am just in general an anti-union type….comes from having been a manager for so long.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"I think [Aikman & McNabb] are very close in their stats as far as accurancy goes. Giving the fact that Aiken threw 41 more interceptions to date, might lead a person thinking McNabb is just as accurate.
Posted by: dbailey21"

LOL they'd be wrong, but you bring up a good point -- stats don't tell the whole story, especially with regard to QB performance.

The rap on McNabb's accuracy comes from two main observations: first, his tendency to throw behind the receivers, especially on crossing patterns, and second, his predilection for putting balls in the dirt for no apparent reason.

Both of those observations are true and both are anecdotal, of the type that doesn't show up in the final stats. In fact, McNabb is one of those QBs who (as has been discussed here and elsewhere) actually is better under pressure than standing in the pocket waiting for a receiver to come open. It's a valuable trait in an era when defenses focus on pressure rather than tight coverage to gain an advantage. I suspect that's why McNabb was so successful in Philly and also why he annoyed Iggles' fans -- just when you think he can't miss, he tosses one into the turf or two feet behind the receiver and costs you the first down.

So I'd say yes, your argument has merit, and also yes, McNabb has problems with accuracy that Aikman never had.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The closer Sept. 12th gets the more I become aware of the fact that the Redskins will improve but they will not be "good". I.e. I doubt they will have a winning record. Just my opinion, Now I'll just move along to the acceptance phase.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | August 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

blasphemous!

11-5 will be the record.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Shootin the moon!

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | August 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

saw the play McNabb got injured on ... but the ESPN angle is pretty bad and they roll the play after its already begun.

Still ... the goal of this play design appears to be to get the QB hurt. Two guys came right up the middle untouched. And it looked like Rabach was running a pass pattern.

I don't have video to review it more carefully to see if someone whiffed or an RB didn't get in the right spot, but that was ugly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

On this particular play, I think Sherman Smith broke into the booth and started babbling into the headphones. Nobody told him that Shanahan was here, he just heard "See ya next year Sherm" Snyder talked to him in january and showed up, started calling plays, you know, doing what he "Do".

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 26, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@ Posted by: dbailey211 | August 26, 2010 1:33 PM
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good info...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why anyone would side with owners over players myself...but thats just how i roll...
Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:40 PM

Both sides are so greedy it almost sickens me….I guess I am just in general an anti-union type….comes from having been a manager for so long.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Owner greed is on another level. Players have 2-5 year window to make their money and play a sport that puts them at far greater risk of long term health risks. Average life span of NFL player is like 5 years less than norm.

Now they obviously choose to play so not feeling sorry for them but I totally get why they scrap for every penny considering the NFL is multi multi billion dollar industry built on the backs of their labor.

Owners, hell half of them didnt even earn their money and are second/third gen extreme wealth...although that has changed some the last 10/15 years.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

On this particular play, I think Sherman Smith broke into the booth and started babbling into the headphones. Nobody told him that Shanahan was here, he just heard "See ya next year Sherm" Snyder talked to him in january and showed up, started calling plays, you know, doing what he "Do".

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 26, 2010 1:49 PM |
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don't you mean Sherman Lewis?...i don't think Zorn allowed Sherm Smith to call plays...that how he treats his boyz

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Shanny said that Kelly was injured and could not show his worth. I take that to mean: he is gone unless he heals and impresses. Armstrong has played himself on the team. Wade has played himself off the team.

Banks will make the team as PR and maybe KR and occassional WR.

Galloway has done enuf in practice to beat out a bunch of mediocre WR, so he stays.

Thomas was given lots of attention because even Shanny won't release a 2nd rounder that the owner selected without solid proof that he does not play well. I think Shanny has enough evidence now. So both Thomas and Kelly are gone (Kelly maybe to IR).

When trade offers were made for Thomas (probably 4th), we needed WR's and Shanny was not sure he had enough evidence to give up a 2nd selection for a 4th. (1st year coach does not insult owner. Remember, JJones fired 2-time SB winning coach because he did not give JJ enuf credit in public. And TBay has fired 2 winning coachs, for who knows why. Shanny is not stupid.)

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | August 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's 1 cut run scheme depends on having the threat of an RB who can turn the corner (not sure we have on of those, but ...). A big part of turning the corner is having a WR that can block the CB or seal an inside LB.

If Thomas (and/or Kelly) are still here, run blocking will likely be a big part of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 |********

More reason where I find it difficult to see how both Austin and Banks make the active roster. They are just too small to be effective in that role.

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

don't you mean Sherman Lewis?...i don't think Zorn allowed Sherm Smith to call plays...that how he treats his boyz

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I did indeed Sir, thank you for correcting my memory of last season, which stinks, thankfully.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | August 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"I think you've got this a little mixed-up....Thomas can play teams."

I don't rememeber suggesting that he couldn't:

I'd keep the young'ns--Thomas, Austin, Banks, and Armstrong--on the roster and find a way to get them serious on field time....We're talking about developing four guys with sub 4.4 speed who can also play teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 12:45 PM |

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Austin is going to P Squad. I think he will clear waivers.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

A good day to everyone. I have three items:

1. F Dallas.

2. Last night I perused the new NFL Shop catalog that came in the mail. Two words: Realtree jerseys. Two more: The hell? Finally, you can have the pleasure of felling a 12-point buck while wearing your favorite NFL player's name on your back.

3. F Dallas.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 26, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

People are down on DT and putting Galloway as the #2 based on nothing. What has Galloway done in a game to merit this status. And that "I know what he can do" is coachspeak. Does anyone really believe McNabb hasn't targeted Galloway because the coaches know what he can do?

DT is going to line up across from Moss on Skins' opening drive opening night. Book it! And look for him to make a great leap in receptions and TDs this season.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 26, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Texans and Seahawks also put in claims for Polumbus. The Lions get him because they had the worst 2009 record of the three teams.Posted by: 4thFloor"

I do not get it. This is a truly unreliable OL. But then, I suppose somebody drafted safety Sabby Piscitelli, and he's a waste of salary cap space.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

McNabb to Armstrong deep on opening day against Dallas.

I'm guessing 45 yards for a TD.

Dallas' secondary is not scary at all, they will be paying attention to Santana(Cowboy Killer).

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM
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I'm good with that but you have to follow up with a spleen-rupturing sack of Romo by Osackpo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Which he fumbles, to be picked up by Laron Landry and mailed home.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 1:30 PM
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And while the crowd is distracted by the runback, Albert Haynesworth stomps Gurode once more for old times' sake.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I was saying you were mixed-up about Armstrong, Austin, and Banks. They're not special teamers. One of them will be a returner only, the other two will be sitting on the sidelines for all the special teams packages. They're all too small to play special teams in a non-returner capacity; they're can't block and they can't tackle (though I could be wrong about Armstrong, just can't seem to recall him being in on any of those packages).

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

People are down on DT and putting Galloway as the #2 based on nothing. What has Galloway done in a game to merit this status. And that "I know what he can do" is coachspeak. Does anyone really believe McNabb hasn't targeted Galloway because the coaches know what he can do?

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Agree LearnedHand. If he were open, #5 would throw to him, especially if he is the first or second option on the play. That said, I would not be shocked if he makes the team, though I will be surprised if he starts.

Posted by: manlius1 | August 26, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

the skins prolly knew teams above them were going to claim polumus anyway. he didnt last past the first team on waiver wire, so dont read it as solid endorsement of ol depth.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The Dt debate rages on and I say thumbs down but let's talk about Galloway...

Is there an upside to keeping a guy with wheels this ancient?

My gut tells me no. I think they've been real gentle with him trying to preserve him for the regular season, but sometime he's going to be playing and he's going to wear down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

malcolm makes the team... they will likely put him on ir at the beginning of the season... that means he will have 6-8 more weeks to get healthier...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett

PUP list is out. You cannot be on the active roster at any point during training camp and be eligible for the PUP list. You need to start camp on it. It is IR outright release.

Moss, Armstrong, Thomas are the only wr locks I see as of right now. I would not be too shocked if any of the other guys are cut.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

dbailey

"...I think the two of them (Aikman-McNabb) are very close in their stats as far as accurancy goes. Giving the fact that Aiken threw 41 more interceptions to date, might lead a person thinking McNabb is just as accurate."

Having lost a ton 'o games to both Aikman and McNabb has and hasn't clouded our judgement.

Yes, statistically speaking, they are close in terms of passes completed.

And you could argue that given the weakness of the group of receivers McNabb had during his time in Philly, his numbers are all the more outstanding.

McNabb, unlike Aikman, also had the weigh of Philly's offense on his shoulders, too, whereas Aikman was lucky enough to have E Smith carrying the rock with purpose.

But--and I know this is blasphemous--all I remember about Troy Aikman was that he could put a ball in the right spot, pass after pass.

After D Fouts, Aikman, to me, is the best pure thrower I've seen.

He could thread the ball between the safety/corner on a skinny post with uncanny accuracy.

He threw a catchable deep ball, square-in, and occasional dump off to J Novacek with ease.

I don't remember too many 'balls in the dirt' (a la McNabb) or times when a receiver had to stretch awkwardly to catch his passes (a la JC).

So, yes, he and D Mac are close statistically.

But I'd say that Troy Aikman was better at putting the ball just where it had to be.

And that, to me, is what true accuracy is.

No matter what the numbers say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

So I'd say yes, your argument has merit, and also yes, McNabb has problems with accuracy that Aikman never had.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 1:48 PM

If you are going there, you have to also recall that Troy Aikman had Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and Jay Novacek throughout most of his career. I suspect that the threat of Emmitt running probably opened up the passing game a whole heck of a lot for Aikman. Yes, McNabb had Westbrook, but there was no commitment to the running game. McNabb also had a bunch of scrubs at WR save for TO (1 season) and DJax.

And by the way, F Dallas, F the Iggles and F the Ginas.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"2nd round pick to the eagles for a 34 year old"

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | August 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Nate Allen is that 2nd round pick's name and we sure as heck could use him right now."

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | August 26, 2010 12:57 PM

Well, yes, but if we hadn't made the McNabb deal, we'd now need a QB even more than we need a safety. And just for accuracy's sake, DM5 is still 33.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Moe that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

But I'd say that Troy Aikman was better at putting the ball just where it had to be.

And that, to me, is what true accuracy is.

No matter what the numbers say.

*****

Moe, you are usually right on in my book but I have to disagree with you on this one. I have lived in the PHL area for the entire McNabb era and have unfortunately had to watch virtually every one of the Eagles games over that period (no DirecTV). McNabb is pretty darned accurate, even given the occasional ground ball (which he does throw, though rarely on 3rd down. I have noticed). I think the difference in perception between McNabb and Aikman is due to: (1) no Super Bowl wins for McNabb, which is more a function of the team around each QB than the QB himself, in my view, and (2) a weaker receiving corps in PHL as compared to what Aikman had in Dallas. In fact, McNabb's numbers, especially the TDs, are pretty amazing considering the cast of nobodies he was pitching to in PHL (T.O. and Jackson excepted).

Posted by: manlius1 | August 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Your character provides the comic relief, just like Marlon Brando in 'Apocalypse Now.'

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanny likes big wr's. He is not going to field a team with tiny wr's. Thomas and Kelly will make the roster. Roydell Williams and Bobby Wade will be cut. Hodge and Austin will go to the practice squad. Gotta believe Banks gets the punt return job cause no one else has been given an opportunity to return punts in the preseason. Galloway has played in 2 games and has caught as many passes as Kelly - I don't see why he's guaranteed a roster spot.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"After D Fouts, Aikman, to me, is the best pure thrower I've seen."

Now I wasn't old enough to watch, but I suspect many will find this blasphemy.

One thing my dad told me and still holds to this day is that the best pure passer he'd ever seen was Sonny J. According to him, nobody threw a more consistent and pretty pass right on the money.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Re: Anthony Armstrong

Dude is a baller. He got open deep a second time but McNabb overthrew him by 5 yards; otherwise it's another TD.


Re: McNabb's Accuracy

In the WCO you are supposed to get the ball out on time. Sometimes his throws seem rushed and he puts them in the dirt. But that's much better than clutching clutching clutching the ball and taking a sack...like certain other QBs tended to do in the WCO...


Re: Owners v. Players

They can both suck donkey eggs. I'm tired of fatcat owners pissing and moaning about "operating costs" - if you don't like running the team, then sell it for a cool billion and go do whatever it is disgustingly rich people do. I'm tired of millionaire ballers who play a schoolyard game for a living whine about contracts - maybe if you stashed some cash in the bank instead of blowing it on nightclubs/jewelry you wouldn't burn through your signing bonus in 2 years.


Re: Skins Tackles and Polumbus

If Jamaal Brown can stay healthy, then I think we are set at tackle - which is amazing considering where we were a year ago. We are not set at guard.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

the skins prolly knew teams above them were going to claim polumus anyway. he didnt last past the first team on waiver wire, so dont read it as solid endorsement of ol depth.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 2:12 PM

It's not an endorsement of depth, but a knock on Polumbus. How did they know teams about them would claim Polumbus? A claim costs nothing -- you don't give up a draft pick or anything. If they thought he was better than the ones they got, they'd have claimed him.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

On the 18 game schedule ... no.

The owners are looking at this from one 'insane' direction. 2 less preseason games + 2 more regular season games = more money.


And that 'seems' true. But ... it'll mean more games for teams out of the playoff hunt. Ticket sales will plummet for those teams in December, especially. There will be a lot more meaningless games.

The more games you have, the more you 'dilute' the value of each game.

Plus, the rosters will likely need to increase, increasing the salary costs. Of course, the players will want more $$. The risk of a key injury increases as well.

The preseason isn't simply to get the guys you know on the roster, its to evaluate and provide learning situations for younger players. It also gives coaches a chance to make clearer evaluations. Armstrong is a guy who likely wouldn't have gotten a chance if not for 4 preseason games.

Obviously, ticket prices will get hiked (to pay the players, who don't get much for preseason), which means some people will stop buying their season tix. Especially in markets where teams don't sell out. Which is currently a large portion of the league

Lastly, in an argument that makes no sense, the owners say the 'fans want it' because they pay the same ticket price for preseason games as they do for regular season games. Ummmmmmmmmmmmm -- isn't that the owners choice? They could charge less for preseason. Fans should be ticked at the owners for ripping them off. Charge a few bucks more for the regular season, half price for preseason. That'd make more sense.

The 18 game schedule is too much. I know people don't like the preseason. But you play your vets only the amount you need to in order to get ready. That amount doesn't change. It'll just get compressed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Shanny likes big wr's. He is not going to field a team with tiny wr's. Thomas and Kelly will make the roster.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 2:41 PM

Shanahan likes wr's who can play. That leaves out Kelly. Shanahan likes wr's who care enough to stay awake in meetings. That means that Thomas is trade bait.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: Skins Tackles and Polumbus

If Jamaal Brown can stay healthy, then I think we are set at tackle - which is amazing considering where we were a year ago. We are not set at guard.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Very true. Trent Williams will be very good, Jammal Brown is very good.

Derrick Dockery is extremely solid, it's just that right guard position that's a little sketchy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Shanny likes big wr's. He is not going to field a team with tiny wr's. Thomas and Kelly will make the roster. Roydell Williams and Bobby Wade will be cut. Hodge and Austin will go to the practice squad. Gotta believe Banks gets the punt return job cause no one else has been given an opportunity to return punts in the preseason. Galloway has played in 2 games and has caught as many passes as Kelly - I don't see why he's guaranteed a roster spot.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 2:41 PM
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More than size Shanahan treasures production. DT and MK haven't produced. As for Austin, I thought he did pretty well in preseason game #1. That didn't emphasize him as much in game #2 but will probably come back to him in this next game. If they try to waive him so they can sign him to the developmental roster, some team will end up signing him - probably a team desperate for receivers like Minnesota. You may be right on Hodge going there, but something tells me they will poach at least one receiver from another team. They'll be looking for that big guy you are talking about.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

manlius

I'm not saying D McNabb is not accurate.

He's an excellent deep ball thrower.

He sometimes lack touch with medium range and short passes, though.

I'd say his job has been harder than most of today's q-back's as unlike Manning, he never had a great corp of receivers to work with.

Too, McNabb, unlike Aikman who had Smith, WAS the Philly offense, which is why I could never undertand the hostility fo the iggle faithful.

It seemed to me that they wanted him to be Superman and he just simply was not.

And never will be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


One thing my dad told me and still holds to this day is that the best pure passer he'd ever seen was Sonny J. According to him, nobody threw a more consistent and pretty pass right on the money.

Posted by: psps23

Your Dad is correct. Sonny was an amazing passer. One thing that sticks in my mind came after SJ9 had retired. They did a punt, pass and kick thing with some of the retired players. Sonny's kick attempt was funny, but his pass .... he took one step forward (no run-up)and let it fly: 65 yards of perfect spiral, ball landing on the tape measure. For a combination of accuracy and arm strength, Sonny is as good as there has ever been.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Before I forget, happy birthday Brownwood. May your b-day present be motion in the ocean and panties (hopefully not Chia's) on the bedroom floor tomorrow morning.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Shanny likes big wr's. He is not going to field a team with tiny wr's. Thomas and Kelly will make the roster.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 2:41 PM


He drafted Eddie Royal, who is not big.

Rod Smith at 6' didn't exactly tower over people

I believe Shanny was the one who signed the under-6ft Brandon Stokely in '07.

Shanny wants guys who can run his offense.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Gotta agree that SJ9 was one of the best pure passers to play the game.

Posted by: wireman65 | August 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:52 PM

With you 100% here. Philly fans never gave #5 his due, which is odd given how badly the Eagles stunk before he came along, but par for the course with Philly fans. They never gave Mike Schmidt his due either.

Posted by: manlius1 | August 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse


In case some have forgotten

Fred Davis 2009 stats
48 receptions
509 yds with 10.6 AVG
6 TDs
and 0 fumbles

and that my friends wasnt even a full season so save the hate for real BUSTS like MK

Posted by: TimmySmith36 | August 26, 2010 10:14 AM |

No one is hating FDavis. He is clearly better than DT and MK. That said, you'd think he's a HOF TE by reading some of the post on the board. Nice stats from last year don't mean squat this year. I will say that his touching the ball 48 times without a fumble has got my attention.

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"According to him, nobody threw a more consistent and pretty pass right on the money."

Best all around passers?:

Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

He drafted Eddie Royal, who is not big.

Rod Smith at 6' didn't exactly tower over people

I believe Shanny was the one who signed the under-6ft Brandon Stokely in '07.

Shanny wants guys who can run his offense.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

AWW SNAP!

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Moss
Armstrong
DT
Austin
Banks
Galloway

Bye bye MK. Take your bad knees, bad hammies and Madden speed rating of 75 elsewhere.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 12:08 PM

Dude, don't be surprised if MK12 makes the team, there is a reason he is still on roster. I agree with your list except Austin may go to the practice squad and MK12
makes the team.

Posted by: abxinc | August 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I could never undertand the hostility fo the iggle faithful.

It seemed to me that they wanted him to be Superman and he just simply was not.

And never will be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


McNabb is fine.

Philly fans are nucking futs.

After a decade of Pro Bowls, deep playoff runs and NFC East titles, they couldn't run him out of town quick enough. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to say after Skins sweep them this year.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Best all around passers?:

What about Unitas?

Posted by: manlius1 | August 26, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanny likes big wr's.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 2:41 PM

What coach doesn't? This is like saying "Guys like girls with big titz and tight assez." Of course. But if you can't be with the one you love, ....

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Best all around passers?:
Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime
Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:59 PM

I like your list, but I would replace Doug Williams with Joe Montana. Williams was streakier than Mcnabb is, and while Montana was never considered to have a strong arm, the ball was always where it was supposed to be. Also would have SJ9 on the list.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you are usually right on in my book but I have to disagree with you on this one. I have lived in the PHL area for the entire McNabb era and have unfortunately had to watch virtually every one of the Eagles games over that period (no DirecTV). McNabb is pretty darned accurate, even given the occasional ground ball (which he does throw, though rarely on 3rd down. I have noticed). I think the difference in perception between McNabb and Aikman is due to: (1) no Super Bowl wins for McNabb, which is more a function of the team around each QB than the QB himself, in my view, and (2) a weaker receiving corps in PHL as compared to what Aikman had in Dallas. In fact, McNabb's numbers, especially the TDs, are pretty amazing considering the cast of nobodies he was pitching to in PHL (T.O. and Jackson excepted).

Posted by: manlius1

McNabb is not an accurate Qb. His career completion 59%. He finished the season in the top 10 once in his career and that was at #10.McNabb was a great QB in philly but he did not win games with his accuracy. He is a streaky QB who throws a beautiful long ball.

Around the 2000 season the avg completion perecentage of the QB starting to shoot up. By 2004 anything under 60% was awful and you needed 64% to get in the top 10. That probably coincided with the rules changes that handcuffed DBs.

Aikman was consistently in the top 10 during his playing days and ended up with 62% career avg.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude, don't be surprised if MK12 makes the team, there is a reason he is still on roster.

Posted by: abxinc | August 26, 2010 3:01 PM

And what is the reason? I think it's because there's no one available out there who's any better. He won't be on the opening day roster because that means they have to guarantee his salary for the year. He won't be on anyone's opening day roster with those knees.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

aikman, much as I hate to say it, was a very accurate passer. He deserves to be on that list. Fouts was more like Sonny, with a big arm, quick release and very accurate.

I think Sonny would struggle to play today. Other than injury risks, you'd have to think that at 76 years old (b-day just 3 days ago), he's probably lost some of that arm strength.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Malcolm Kelly would be picked up off the Redskin's practice squad. Therefore, punt.

My guess is the Redskins keep six WR's including Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Armstrong, Banks, and Austin.

The league's oldest team better start discovering young talent before this is yet another lost decade for fans.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | August 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Dude, don't be surprised if MK12 makes the team, there is a reason he is still on roster.

Posted by: abxinc | August 26, 2010 3:01 PM

And what is the reason?

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He's more talented than anyone not named Moss or Thomas.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:59 PM |

Ken Stabler

Posted by: edvar | August 26, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

He's more talented than anyone not named Moss or Thomas.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:18 PM

And you know this from what?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Another thing SJ9 did well. Duck. He wasn't mobile, but he did have a great instinct about when to duck.

Sonny was on Johnny Carson, and Carson asked about how the coaches viewed having sex before the game. After clarifying whether it was about the coach having sex or the players having sex, Sonny responded by saying that having sex has been compared to running 50 yards, and he'd never run 50 yards in his life ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Harbaugh's analysis of the Skins-Ravens game per PFT:

"Harbaugh also threw a minor dig at the team located the closest, geographically, to the Ravens. Regarding the recent preseason game against the Redskins, Harbaugh said, "We kinda ran over that team, and we're kinda proud of that, that's the way we ought to play."

Posted by: swowra | August 26, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

to all you young-uns out there who never saw sonny and his amazing arm, check out the pass that comes at 0:11 of this video. unbefrickinleivable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZR6h4nR4AI&p=6C223A081041D28E&playnext=1&index=31

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 26, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Best all around passers?:
Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime
Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 2:59 PM

I like your list, but I would replace Doug Williams with Joe Montana. Williams was streakier than Mcnabb is, and while Montana was never considered to have a strong arm, the ball was always where it was supposed to be. Also would have SJ9 on the list.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 3:05 PM
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If you are talking pure passers, I wouldn't put Bradshaw, Young or Williams on that list. Those guys had other qualities that made them great, but maybe not exceptionally good passers. I would add Peyton Manning to that list. Montana. Round it out with Len Dawson, or is that going too far back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"After D Fouts, Aikman, to me, is the best pure thrower I've seen."

I disagree, Aikman was in a Norv Turner WC offense on by far the best team in the league and was throwing to michael irvin, alvin harper (pre-redskins when he was good), jay novaczek, lafleur, emmit smith out of the back field, etc. Those dudes got open, especially when you consider the o-line and running game made defenses compromise coverage and put players in the box.

Joe Montana was very accurate, Elway was freakishly accurate while being chased by defenders (while rolling out he could throw accross his body and hit a receiver 30 yards down field consistently. Laugh at this if you want, but despite the fact that cade mcnown was an NFL bust, he could hit a monkey in the ass from 50 yards.

Of course tom brady is a very accurate thrower, but if you consider being able to choose the right receiver as part of accuracy (read dfense, look off defenders, deliver ball on time, etc), brady is the best of all time. I think the dark horse in this would be kurt warner, who isn't a sexy selection, but kept a high completion average through out his career and kept down picks. P Manning has a completion percentage of 65, but it seems it is other factors that contribute to this, not just being able to hit a target with a ball.

So it really depends what ur criteria is, my selection would be either Montana or Brady.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

saw the play McNabb got injured on ... but the ESPN angle is pretty bad and they roll the play after its already begun.

Still ... the goal of this play design appears to be to get the QB hurt. Two guys came right up the middle untouched. And it looked like Rabach was running a pass pattern.

I don't have video to review it more carefully to see if someone whiffed or an RB didn't get in the right spot, but that was ugly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse
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LJ missed his block entirely. He looked confused as to whom to block and instead opted to not block anyone. But, my guess is that Rabach engaged on the LB after he released the NT, which Heyer was supposed to slide over and take and LJ pick up the DE or blitzing LB. Instead it was a bunch of standing around, who's on first, and McNabb gets hurt.

Posted by: clark202 | August 26, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Swowra,,

Good pull, I just tried to post my thoughts on that very same article, but I guess my post was a little to dicy for RI..

What a dowwsche bag.. I can't freaking stand the Ravens. I used to think I just hated the toothless redneck fans/dumbazzz broads that like the team for their pretty purple colors but now I can see the team is where its born...

Posted by: iHAVEfaith | August 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The league's oldest team better start discovering young talent before this is yet another lost decade for fans.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | August 26, 2010 3:16 PM
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I really didn't like that synopsis that the Redskins have the oldest team in the league. There should be an asterisk that says "oldest 80 man roster". When the dust clears and the ultimate roster is set, I have a feeling the team is going to be a lot younger than the current average age.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If you are talking pure passers, I wouldn't put Bradshaw, Young or Williams on that list. Those guys had other qualities that made them great, but maybe not exceptionally good passers. I would add Peyton Manning to that list. Montana. Round it out with Len Dawson, or is that going too far back?
Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 3:26 PM

I thought about saying Bradshaw and Young shouldn’t be on there, but by the end of their careers they were both, IMO, very accurate and threw pretty passes. They are both in the HOF for good reasons. Just keep picturing Bradshaws TD passes to Swann in SB’s 10 and 14……

I guess there was more to Young’s game than just throwing the ball, but he still threw a lot of TD’s…..

Oh and I agree with monkey….Kurt Warner should be on the list as well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

He's more talented than anyone not named Moss or Thomas.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:18 PM

And you know this from what?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:20 PM

He's talented because he was a 2nd round pick by Vinny. No, wait, that's not it.
He's talented because he has good size. Well, no, size does not = talent.
He's talented because he is fast. Definitely not.
He's talented because he gets good separation from corners. Hmmm, don't think so.
He's talented because he is such a great route runner. Haven't heard that about him either.
He's talented because he stays healthy. Nope.
He's not talented....ah, that feels better.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

That highlight video with Sonny -- those 'hit the guy in stride with a perfect spiral' passes were common place for SJ9.

Another couple of passes can be seen on the video of Larry Brown (how is he not in the HOF?). The TD run at at about 1:30 is noteworthy for 2 reasons. You see Jerry Smith, another HOF worthy player, not noted for his blocking, throwing a block to spring Brown (its not the only good block he makes on the video). The other is the guy standing in the end zone. Some guy in a hat just standing in the middle of the end zone during the play. Cracks me up when I see that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"And you know this from what?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse"

Excerpts from WaPo and other articles:

While at Redskins Park last week, wide receiver Malcolm Kelly had his first conversation with Coach Mike Shanahan. And from Kelly's perspective, it couldn't have gone better. "One of the first things he said was they're really going to put me in a lot of situations where I'll be isolated. A lot of one-on-one situations where I can take advantage of my size," Kelly said Monday in a phone interview. "Man, that's what I've been waiting to hear."

Listed at 6 feet 4, 227 pounds, Kelly is the biggest wideout on the roster. Kelly often has displayed impressive leaping ability in practice and is considered to have the best hands on the team. "He told me he wants to put me on those types of situations where I can take advantage of my size. And then he just started talking about my hands. He said, 'We're going to find ways to get you the ball.' He told me he's going to find ways to show specifically what I can do."

From Keenan McCardell:

Is Kelly among the Redskins' best 53 players?

"He has the talent to be," McCardell said. "He's more than talented enough to be one of the 53. He wouldn't have been a second-round pick if he didn't have that type of talent. You don't pass that type of talent in the draft. I just hope he comes back healthy soon and ready to go."

It's fairly obvious the talent they see in Kelly. That is the reason why he is still on the roster. Not saying he's a lock to make it, but it's still in his power so long as he can get healthy within the last week and play in the final preseason game.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Best all around passers?:
Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime
Posted by: MistaMoe

You list is missing the 3 guys that always appear at the top of the list: Unitas, Montana and Elway.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It's fairly obvious the talent they see in Kelly. That is the reason why he is still on the roster. Not saying he's a lock to make it, but it's still in his power so long as he can get healthy within the last week and play in the final preseason game.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM

Fair enough. I don't think he'll make the Redskins or any other team's opening day roster. Might get added after the first game so that they don't have to guarantee his salary for the year. If he's healthy, of course.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It's fairly obvious the talent they see in Kelly. That is the reason why he is still on the roster. Not saying he's a lock to make it, but it's still in his power so long as he can get healthy within the last week and play in the final preseason game.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM

Okay, I stand corrected, it's his hands and his size. Both of those are fantastic, if he can stay on the freaking field.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"He's talented because he has good size. Well, no, size does not = talent.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse"

Actually, yes, size does = talent.

So does physical strength.

So does hand-eye coordination.

So does a player's vertical leap.

So does hand strength.

So does concentration in chaotic areas.

Kelly has all of these to a great degree. Better than any WR on the roster actually. Moss and Thomas surpass him because of their vastly superior speed and route-running (for Moss) and strength (for Thomas).

Route-running can be taught. Size, strength, vertical leap, innate hand-eye coordination, and innate ability to concentrate despite the chaos around you cannot (for the most part).

That is most definitely talent. He's got a long way to go, but the guy has the ability to do things no other WR on the roster can already. That's why he's still here.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
nice larry brown memories there. that guy in the end zone is hilarious. things were much more loosey-goosey back then... also, love to see hoe the goal posts were in the field of play.

btw, love those gold pants...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a bad draft for QBs

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/matt-leinart-benched-for-saturday-could-be-done-in-arizona/

Posted by: TWISI

I thought Campbell would be a good fit for AZ. Decent OL with a very good -- and big WR.

I wondered why AZ didn't pursue him, given that Leinart was such an unknown.

Its always hard to watch a great player compromised by the team around him. Steven Jackson of the Rams and probably Larry Fitzgerald are both amazing talents. But the AZ QB is going to make like tough for Fitz, and the Rams only dangerous player is Jackson.

These are guys that need to be on good teams. If you're not going to bring in good pieces around these guys, trade 'em. Especially Jackson. The Rams ought to be able to get some serious talent at multiple positions + some picks for Jackson. Put him behind the Saints OL and he'd be putting up Chris Johnson numbers

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Aikman completed 2898 of 4715 attempts. He threw 165 TDs and 141 Interceptions. He threw for 32,942 yards, had a Rating of 81.6, and a completion percentage of 61.5.

McNabb has completed 2801 of 4746 attempts. He has thrown 216 TDs and 100 Interceptions. He has thrown for 32,873 yards, has a Rating of 86.5, and a completion percentage of 59.

I think the two of them are very close in their stats as far as accurancy goes. Giving the fact that Aiken threw 41 more interceptions to date, might lead a person thinking McNabb is just as accurate."

Posted by: dbailey211 | August 26, 2010 1:33 PM

Someone (I forget who) once said that statistics are a grest pair of glasses -- but they don't replace your eyes. This is a great example of that. Yes, McNabb's completion percentage is only a couple of points less than Aikman's, but McNabb compiled his stats in a "west coast" offense with a lot of short passes to Westbrook and his TEs, whereas the Cowpies ran a more down-field attack, with deeper throws to the WRs and Novacek. As much as I disliked Aikman as a player, and as much as I now like DM5, Aikman was much more accurate a passer, as accurate as I can remember seeing in a long time.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | August 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Just saying I'm not ready to rule out Kelly just yet.

And actually, the failure of the other WRs (outside of Armstrong) to fully flourish in preseason may be Kelly's saving grace on this roster. He hasn't moved down the depth chart because nobody outside of AA has impressed enough to earn a roster spot on merit. Would you really cut Kelly to give a roster spot to Roydell Williams or Bobby Wade? Even if you argue Kelly is injured too much, are Williams and Wade really adding to your football team? His injury may have actually landed him a spot on the roster, so long as he doesn't have a setback.

That's my .02.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner was a good passer, but also had 2 of the best receiving duos ever.

Bruce/Holt Fitzgerald/Boldin.

That area in the middle of those years is kind of like a black hole for his career.

Alot of those guys on that list I do not remember. I'm old enough to remember Aikman, but Moon and Marino were getting up in age when I watched them.

Right now Drew Brees is the nicest passer I've seen in a long time.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

It's fairly obvious the talent they see in Kelly. That is the reason why he is still on the roster. Not saying he's a lock to make it, but it's still in his power so long as he can get healthy within the last week and play in the final preseason game.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM

Thanks psps23, I normally don't respond to query from other posters since I believe search tools are available to everyone for research purposes; however, some posters are babies that simply needs spoon feeding.

Posted by: abxinc | August 26, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

malcolm makes the team... they will likely put him on ir at the beginning of the season... that means he will have 6-8 more weeks to get healthier...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | August 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

That would be great except you can't do that..once they put him on IR he is done for the season...can't bring him back this season

Posted by: leevi98 | August 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Best pure passers of the past decade:

1. Brett Favre (still)
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Peyton Manning

Nobody touches Favre on combined strength, accuracy, and release. He's a reckless knucklehead that makes dumb-@ss decisions sometimes, but the guy throws an absolutely gorgeous ball to and from any area of the field.

Aaron Rodgers is quietly following in his footsteps. This man is equally as accurate and precise, doesn't have the same strength though.

And as much as I hate him, Brady throws a beauty too. He hits them short, long, intermediate, in stride, to the numbers, and everywhere else. Rarely will you catch Brady tossing an off-target pass when he has adequate time and space.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Just saying I'm not ready to rule out Kelly just yet.

And actually, the failure of the other WRs (outside of Armstrong) to fully flourish in preseason may be Kelly's saving grace on this roster. He hasn't moved down the depth chart because nobody outside of AA has impressed enough to earn a roster spot on merit. Would you really cut Kelly to give a roster spot to Roydell Williams or Bobby Wade? Even if you argue Kelly is injured too much, are Williams and Wade really adding to your football team? His injury may have actually landed him a spot on the roster, so long as he doesn't have a setback.

That's my .02.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:52 PM

You definitely raise a valid point. I just don't think the guy will ever be healthy enough to play more than 8-10 games per year. He had health problems even before he was drafted which was a huge red flag to many other teams, but something the Vinny was willing to overlook. I think I've given up on him and am ready to try out Austin and Banks (even though they are pipsqueaks) until our front office has an opportunity to address the position it in the draft.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner was a good passer, but also had 2 of the best receiving duos ever.
Bruce/Holt Fitzgerald/Boldin.
That area in the middle of those years is kind of like a black hole for his career.
Alot of those guys on that list I do not remember. I'm old enough to remember Aikman, but Moon and Marino were getting up in age when I watched them.
Right now Drew Brees is the nicest passer I've seen in a long time.
Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 3:54 PM

Brees is pretty darn good too, yes. Kurt Warner still has HOF numbers despite the Rams pretty much writing him off and going in favor of Marc Bulger…….I’m thinking that they are pretty much kicking themselves over that genius move. Then on the Giants, they just wanted to use him for a few games until baby manning got his sea legs. It looked like the same thing was gonna happen in AZ, but their coaches/FO seemed to realize what a stinker they had in Leinart, and once they gave the ball to Warner full time, he proved to the world that he hadn’t lost any game.

As far as my .02 on Aikman….I remember watching the 94 MNF game Cowboys vs Lions (Emmit vs Barry) and what sticks out in my mind other than Barry Sanders showing that he was the GOAT was how the announcers were focusing on how accurate Troy’s passes were. They kept showing a replay of how literally perfect one of his TD passes was. Think it was to Alvin Harper..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You definitely raise a valid point. I just don't think the guy will ever be healthy enough to play more than 8-10 games per year.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 4:07 PM

I would have thought that, myself, but he played in 16 games last year, started 10. That's what makes me question his ability -- 25 receptions for 347 yards. His long was 84 yards, but it wasn't for a TD. Didn't he get caught from behind on that play?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I would have thought that, myself, but he played in 16 games last year, started 10. That's what makes me question his ability -- 25 receptions for 347 yards. His long was 84 yards, but it wasn't for a TD. Didn't he get caught from behind on that play?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Malcolm's lack of stats has more to do with Campbell/Zorn.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I would have thought that, myself, but he played in 16 games last year, started 10. That's what makes me question his ability -- 25 receptions for 347 yards. His long was 84 yards, but it wasn't for a TD. Didn't he get caught from behind on that play?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 4:20 PM

I would say that he was so good, he was invisible, but pretty much our entire offense last year was invisible, or at least wished they were. But seriously, I want a receiver that can be out there on every offensive series, and I just don't think he can take that kind of consistent pounding (at least his legs can't).

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I won't lie, I was down big time on Kelly last year. He had more than enough opportunities to impress.

But he also hasn't had a real coach since he got in the league.

If Shanahan and McCardell are impressed with his talents, then I'm on board for letting them attempt to mold his game. Health permitting, of course.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Best all around passers?:
Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime
Posted by: MistaMoe

You list is missing the 3 guys that always appear at the top of the list: Unitas, Montana and Elway.

Posted by: srobert1117

What the the hell are either of you talking about? I'm really not trying to be rude, but this list is has less than 1/4 of the best all-around passers on it. There is no comparing football in the sixties and seventies with football after it morphed into a 100 billion dollar a year industry. The players are much faster, the game much more complex (in some ways), the players are much bigger (for a frame of reference Jeff Bostic played at about 245), and the stakes much higher. So todays QB's are no exception, but their skill set is largely not size and speed (running) related, more of decision making, strength, quick release and accuracy (these DB's are like cheetahs on steroids.

Here are some of the players you are missing:

Tom Brady (I mean f'cking duh!)
Peyton Manning (ditto)
Joe Montana
Brett Favre

and due only to the stage in their career, the following are not generally even considered despite the fact that they are already far more accomplished (physically and mentally) than Doug Williams, Bert Jones (ru kidding), and Warren Moon combined:

Tony Romo (yep)
Donavan McNabb (yep)
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethelisberger
Joe Flacco (soon)
Matt Hasselbeck (sort of)
Jay Cutler (laugh now, but at the end of the season you won't be)
etc.,

Come on team, we gotta get it together and win this thing...we don't wanna look stupid in front of the Jerry Jones' Kids who troll this site.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I mean no one any disrespect, but until Malcolm Kelly actually does something other than recover from injury, I have nothing to say about him.

But, I have everything to say about Anthony Armstrong.

We've gone a long time without finding a nice, capable receiver that didn't cost a draft pick or serious money.

Armstrong is that guy.

In fact, AA is the anti-Kelly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Armstrong is that guy."

Let's hope. God knows we've been starved of no-name breakout players.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayonaise

"Come on team, we gotta get it together and win this thing...we don't wanna look stupid in front of the Jerry Jones' Kids who troll this site."


One thing I am not is stupid.

I made a much longer list of q-backs, then thought, "Hey, if you leave dudes off, folks will start a conversation about the guys left off."

"And that conversation might be better--and more interesting--than the lame chatta about MK v. DT v. crotch itch."

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

agree with psp on Kelly, I believe that MShanahan is a no nonsense type of guy, and if he thought that MK was useless, he'd have cut him a LONG time ago. He probably thinks that if MK can get healthy, he can be an asset in this offense.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Before I forget, happy birthday Brownwood. May your b-day present be motion in the ocean and panties (hopefully not Chia's) on the bedroom floor tomorrow morning.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 26, 2010 2:55 PM


Thanks a lot, RSH. 'Preciate the well wishes, my man.

I guess it was only a matter of time before the McNabb hate made it's way south...if you look at his numbers, they're eerily similar to Elway's, yet I don't hear a peep about Elway's accuracy. Just that he's one of the top 10 QBs to ever play the game. Amazing what a couple of titles at the end of a career can do for one's legacy. Here's hoping McNabb wins a SB or two here and puts all this bullsh*t to rest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 26, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

What would be great is if MK became the Ed McCaffrey of this team. Ol' Ed didn't do sh't until his 3rd or fourth season. All the MK haters are jumping all over someone who has been young on a lousy team and has been injured...there isn't any criticism or pontification that can be made reasonably until we see the dude play this year.

Look, if anyone can make something of this guy its Shanny.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"(these DB's are like cheetahs on steroids.)"

You also fail to mention the rule changes and emphasis on defensive penalties that have unquestionably led to the prolific passing attacks we currently witness.

And the ingenious minds behind the passers. Tom Brady doesn't turn into the Tom Brady we know today with Josh McDaniels devising that offense.

Plus, what we're talking about is the purely thrown pass, not the best QBs. Peyton Manning wins the game mentally pre-snap and with quick thought, not necessarily with the tightest spiral in the league.

That's why it's difficult to compare QBs of different eras. It's disingenuous to do so on an unstratified scale.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BROWNWOOD!!!!!

(Don't think I forgot, bro'.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting Anthony Armstrong to the ProBowl

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayonaise

"Come on team, we gotta get it together and win this thing...we don't wanna look stupid in front of the Jerry Jones' Kids who troll this site."


One thing I am not is stupid.

I made a much longer list of q-backs, then thought, "Hey, if you leave dudes off, folks will start a conversation about the guys left off."

"And that conversation might be better--and more interesting--than the lame chatta about MK v. DT v. crotch itch."

Posted by: MistaMoe

I don't think ur stupid and I saw what u were saying; I was being facetious at the end of that post.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Even if you argue Kelly is injured too much, are Williams and Wade really adding to your football team? His injury may have actually landed him a spot on the roster, so long as he doesn't have a setback.

That's my .02.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:52 PM

Williams & Wade adding more to your football team?

Yes.

Kelly is more talented and has the size, hands, and upside that both Williams & Wade are lacking. But the one thing you need your 5th or 6th WR to do is play teams.

That's the difference, that's the reason he won't make the 53 man roster. Oh, and he's cheap Oklahoma china too..

My 2010 WRs prediction, again
Moss
Thomas
Galloway
Armstrong
Williams
Banks

Austin-PS

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

brown, happy day, do something fun with people you care about...use my bonus points if you want to pay for it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Moe!

ih8, you're probably gonna want to hold off until they, you know, put the Pro Bowl ballots up. Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What would be great is if MK became the Ed McCaffrey of this team. Ol' Ed didn't do sh't until his 3rd or fourth season. All the MK haters are jumping all over someone who has been young on a lousy team and has been injured...there isn't any criticism or pontification that can be made reasonably until we see the dude play this year.

Look, if anyone can make something of this guy its Shanny.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 4:47 PM

I hope you're right and that I am wrong. I just won't be putting any of my money down on MK becoming a go to guy.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

God knows we've been starved of no-name breakout players.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 4:40 PM

Yeah, but we lead the league in big-name breakdown players.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

brown, happy day, do something fun with people you care about...use my bonus points if you want to pay for it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 26, 2010 4:56 PM

Too late. I spent them all on my birthday. The bonus points, plus $26, bought me ten gallons of gas for my boat. Forgot to say thanks. Sorry. Belated thanks.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

We have been living out this malcolm in the middle thing with mk crap for more than a month now. Nobody knows where he stands and the tension is killing us- hence the MK bashing. It is incredible that people on RI are defending AH over Shanny sometimes (Shanny is a HOF caliber coach with 2 rings and AH is turd with a personality disorder), but almost everyone attacks MK for no real reason. I really just want some closure with MK; I think that is what we all want and that is frustrating us.
It is real easy to get angry at this dude, but if I were to guess right now what the roster will be, piercing through all the generic quotes, smokescreens and bullsh't it would be:

Moss
DT
Armstrong
Galloway and MK (pick 'em)
BB

BB on the practice squad if we keep five WR's and on the roster if we keep six.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg, looks like someone beat me to the bonus points, but I'm sure I'll have enough to get that bag of Skittles...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg, looks like someone beat me to the bonus points, but I'm sure I'll have enough to get that bag of Skittles...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 26, 2010 5:09 PM

Three words: Don't embarrass yourself. Take some cash, and not just for the sales tax.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I was real high on the things that Armstrong was doing until I heard his age. I thought he was a guy like James Thrash was when he first made the Skins' roster. Someone who had been cut a couple of times and was under 25ys old. But, 27!! is too old to be just getting your feet wet in the NFL.

The fact that he has enough savy to make plays against mostly guys who won't make it to the regular season (B-More had 3rd and 4th string DBs starting last week), means a whole lot less when you realize it was literally a Man against Boys.

I'm sure EVEN DT will have lots of the tricks of the trade down pat by the time he is 27. But, most of us (incl. myself) want him to get it this year cuz most WRs take about 2-3yrs to find their way in the NFL. Funny how so many are quick to give the boot to a couple of 23yr old WRs who don't get it yet, but falling all over themselves for a guy who took until the age of 27 to get this far. I mean who knows how many more years it may take Armstrong to take that next step. The one that he would no doubt need to make once he gets playing time in the NFL regular season.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I was real high on the things that Armstrong was doing until I heard his age. I thought he was a guy like James Thrash was when he first made the Skins' roster. Someone who had been cut a couple of times and was under 25ys old. But, 27!! is too old to be just getting your feet wet in the NFL.

The fact that he has enough savy to make plays against mostly guys who won't make it to the regular season (B-More had 3rd and 4th string DBs starting last week), means a whole lot less when you realize it was literally a Man against Boys.

I'm sure EVEN DT will have lots of the tricks of the trade down pat by the time he is 27. But, most of us (incl. myself) want him to get it this year cuz most WRs take about 2-3yrs to find their way in the NFL. Funny how so many are quick to give the boot to a couple of 23yr old WRs who don't get it yet, but falling all over themselves for a guy who took until the age of 27 to get this far. I mean who knows how many more years it may take Armstrong to take that next step. The one that he would no doubt need to make once he gets playing time in the NFL regular season.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 5:08 PM

I'm definitely not mad at MK. It really is not his fault that he cannot stay healthy. It is not a conditioning issue.

But you're probably right about the frustration end of things. . . Shanny is the master of smoke screens. We all sit up here and prognosticate on who is going to be around and who will do what this year when really, none of us knows who the H-E-double hockey sticks is actually going to make the roster. We do not have the luxury of some other teams that pretty much have a set roster, other than a few back up positions. Simply as a reminder, we have starting lineup questions (and back up questions) at the following positions: WR, RB, RG, RT (if J. Brown ain't healthy), OLB, FS (if Moore ain't healthy). That is six positions out of a possible 22. I think we are all anxious to see who ends up making the team and who is sent "Marko-ing".

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he has enough savy to make plays against mostly guys who won't make it to the regular season (B-More had 3rd and 4th string DBs starting last week), means a whole lot less when you realize it was literally a Man against Boys.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 5:20 PM

You know, the coaches watch this guy everyday in practice and when he practices it's against the first team defense (Man against Men), not the 3rd or 4th team. And if the coaches say that the guy's making plays in practice, I'm willing to trust them.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

want him to get it this year cuz most WRs take about 2-3yrs to find their way in the NFL. Funny how so many are quick to give the boot to a couple of 23yr old WRs who don't get it yet, but falling all over themselves for a guy who took until the age of 27 to get this far. I mean who knows how many more years it may take Armstrong to take that next step. The one that he would no doubt need to make once he gets playing time in the NFL regular season.

Posted by: SportzWiz

Bravo, but I still think AA is a pretty good pick up.
Skins fans are tired of excuses and want performance now, and we are inclined to jump on mk dt etc because of it.

To show you how bad the impatience and ignorance is in the post snyderatto era, I saw a post calling trent williams potential bust material because of the sack he allowed in the ravens game.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It's always going to be sour grapes with you, boy, until you get right with Jesus. Amen!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Both sides are so greedy it almost sickens me….I guess I am just in general an anti-union type….comes from having been a manager for so long.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 26, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Because unions are responsible for the explosion in executive salaries perks and bonuses. Good grief...

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 26, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Because unions are responsible for the explosion in executive salaries perks and bonuses. Good grief...

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 26, 2010 5:45 PM

Wow. The King of Non Sequiturs puts in his 2 cents. Actually, with the explosion in perks and bonuses, I think it's 3.7 cents.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

moe, you said,
"I mean no one any disrespect, but until Malcolm Kelly actually does something other than recover from injury, I have nothing to say about him."

absolutely, let's see what he can do. i'm thinking/hoping the injuries are a fluke.... as beep-beep just said, he played 16 games last year. someone up here yesterday, maybe, was talking about how we have to erase the last 2 yrs from from our memories when evaluating our young talent: they were all under the influence of jim snyderato. let's see what they do under shanallen.

"But, I have everything to say about Anthony Armstrong."

We've gone a long time without finding a nice, capable receiver that didn't cost a draft pick or serious money.

Armstrong is that guy.

he's such a pleasant surprise. i tried to start something yesterday along the lines of "who are the "overperformers" of this year's camp?" i suggested armstrong, and asked for others' opinions. none were offered. either it was a ignored, or basically agreed upon...?

"In fact, AA is the anti-Kelly."

DOH! you just said something about MK. we weren't going to do that...remember? let's see him when healthy under shanallen.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 26, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I saw a post calling trent williams potential bust material because of the sack he allowed in the ravens game.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 5:31 PM
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that poster is an idiot....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | August 26, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You know, the coaches watch this guy everyday in practice and when he practices it's against the first team defense (Man against Men), not the 3rd or 4th team. And if the coaches say that the guy's making plays in practice, I'm willing to trust them.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 5:28 PM

You can't pick and choose when to "trust" the coaches. If you take all the compliments of Armstrong at face value then you would also trust that Shanny is high on MK.

I'd rather wait until the end of the preseason to find out what the coaches really felt about their prospective players.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

psyched about trent williams. hope he's the next jacoby/lachey. samuels was good, but man...jacoby was a freak and lachey was so so dependable. i remember seasons where he gave up 0 sacks...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | August 26, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

You can't pick and choose when to "trust" the coaches. If you take all the compliments of Armstrong at face value then you would also trust that Shanny is high on MK.

I'd rather wait until the end of the preseason to find out what the coaches really felt about their prospective players.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 6:04 PM

1. I agree. And I conceded as much to psps above when he quoted Shanahan on MK.

2. I agree. At the end of preseason we will have better information. Until then, I'll go on what they give us.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Kelly needs to go out and find a trainer that can develop a program that works for him. Maybe its a yoga, maybe its pilates, maybe its swimming. Who knows? Thing is Kelly doesn't know and he needs to invest in learning how to keep his body healthy.

Otherwise, I'll go back to what I've said before. He's a big body WR and he'll need to be able to take more punishment than the average WR if he's to be successful in this league. So far, he shown he gets hurt without even getting hit. Which is the reason he'll get cut.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Just so I'm clear, I still like what Armstrong has shown so far and at the end of the day I hope the Skins keep WRs on the roster who have in some way EARNED their spot.

But, when you watch the games and evaluate the talent, just remember how much of a difference experience can make. Remember how hard it was to finally beat your Dad/Big Brother at a game of 1-on-1.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 26, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Kelly needs to go out and find a trainer that can develop a program that works for him. Maybe its a yoga, maybe its pilates, maybe its swimming. Who knows? Thing is Kelly doesn't know and he needs to invest in learning how to keep his body healthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:09 PM

You don't think the Redskins trainers have given him good advice? They have as much incentive as he does to keep him fit and on the field.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Can Galloway be guaranteed a roster spot? Kelly won't play a full season - but neither will Galloway. Kelly gives the team one big target - the Shanny's should be able to devise some plays to take advantage of Kelly's size. Armstrong and Moss can do anything that Galloway does. Don't need three guys doing the same thing. For me, Galloway is the odd man (old man) out.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

the column written about expectations for the upcoming season has both valid and invalid arguments. Its true that redskins fans generally get overexcited before the season starts and tend to have ridiculous expectations for the team. However, last year's team was not your typical 4-12 team. When coming up with probabilities for our record next season, we fail to account for the absolute tanking that occured under a flimsy regime that knew it was on its way out by game six. This team had 6-7 win talent and now has a much better quarterback, a vastly improved offensive line and a more aggressive defense that figures to be vastly more functionally successfull (more turnovers even if sacrificing yardage ranks), and a much more proffesional atmosphere in place. Theres no reason this team, assuming the offense is set and in place by the season opener (a big if), can win 12 games. It's probably not going to happen, but just food for thought

Posted by: DaFunBunch | August 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

the column written about expectations for the upcoming season has both valid and invalid arguments. Its true that redskins fans generally get overexcited before the season starts and tend to have ridiculous expectations for the team. However, last year's team was not your typical 4-12 team. When coming up with probabilities for our record next season, we fail to account for the absolute tanking that occured under a flimsy regime that knew it was on its way out by game six. This team had 6-7 win talent and now has a much better quarterback, a vastly improved offensive line and a more aggressive defense that figures to be vastly more functionally successfull (more turnovers even if sacrificing yardage ranks), and a much more proffesional atmosphere in place. Theres no reason this team, assuming the offense is set and in place by the season opener (a big if), can win 12 games. It's probably not going to happen, but just food for thought

Posted by: DaFunBunch | August 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

the column written about expectations for the upcoming season has both valid and invalid arguments. Its true that redskins fans generally get overexcited before the season starts and tend to have ridiculous expectations for the team. However, last year's team was not your typical 4-12 team. When coming up with probabilities for our record next season, we fail to account for the absolute tanking that occured under a flimsy regime that knew it was on its way out by game six. This team had 6-7 win talent and now has a much better quarterback, a vastly improved offensive line and a more aggressive defense that figures to be vastly more functionally successfull (more turnovers even if sacrificing yardage ranks), and a much more proffesional atmosphere in place. Theres no reason this team, assuming the offense is set and in place by the season opener (a big if), can win 12 games. It's probably not going to happen, but just food for thought

Posted by: DaFunBunch | August 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Because unions are responsible for the explosion in executive salaries perks and bonuses. Good grief...

Posted by: Pepper5

I've had girlfriends that were crazier, but not by much

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse


Kelly needs to go out and find a trainer that can develop a program that works for him. Maybe its a yoga, maybe its pilates, maybe its swimming. Who knows? Thing is Kelly doesn't know and he needs to invest in learning how to keep his body healthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:09 PM

You don't think the Redskins trainers have given him good advice? They have as much incentive as he does to keep him fit and on the field.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 6:14 PM

This really is the point when it comes to trainers and injuries, isn't it? The point being that each body is different and don't all respond to the most motivated, earnest set of training techniques. Trainers are taught to respond to injury in the way that gets the most response from the most athletes. Sometimes someone comes along, perhaps MK is one, who don't respond in the normal way. Trainers are taught the techniques that work for most of the people most of the time. MK needs needs a different type of help than he's getting in the 'skins training room.

Posted by: MrChili | August 26, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Kelly needs to go out and find a trainer that can develop a program that works for him. Maybe its a yoga, maybe its pilates, maybe its swimming. Who knows? Thing is Kelly doesn't know and he needs to invest in learning how to keep his body healthy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:09 PM

You don't think the Redskins trainers have given him good advice? They have as much incentive as he does to keep him fit and on the field.

Posted by: beep-beep

I think they do what most teams do. They do what works for most of the players.

But players have an obligation to determine how they can get the most out of themselves. TJ Housh did it -- said yoga was the key to his change from injury prone WR to an every game starter. Doubt that idea came from the team's trainer.

Its also worth mentioning, Kelly's supposedly 'tweaked' his hammy prior to camp, with McNabb in AZ -- away from any Skins training staff. That was over a month ago.

Do I think the Redskin trainers know what they are doing? Yes, for the most part.

Have they figured out how to get and keep Kelly healthy? No. Which is why Kelly needs to help himself in this area.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

They can not drink
From the chalice
Which holds the blood of Christ,
The water of life,
Until they get right with Jesus.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

But players have an obligation to determine how they can get the most out of themselves. TJ Housh did it -- said yoga was the key to his change from injury prone WR to an every game starter. Doubt that idea came from the team's trainer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 6:48 PM

You know, Albert Haynesworth went out and found his own trainer. I think you guys are selling the Redskins' trainers' short, but I'm also always in favor of a second, or third, opinion.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

You will rise above the rumbles of the unprepared
To greet the new day,
To drink from the sweet fruit of the vine,
The water of life, the blood of the risen Christ, my child.'

Hal-le-lu-jah!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

H-tub is a different story (applause for my brilliant sense of the obvious). H-tub hires somebody to tell him how hard he's working and what a great guy he is so when he gets to camp he can blame his poor conditioning on a vindictive management.

Posted by: MrChili | August 26, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Still pimpin' the much heralded but seldom used wiki site. Get's your predictions in "stone" people.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/2010+Predictions

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This Tuesday is a big cutdown day.

Lotta teams will release guys they'd druther keep.

If you're Team Shanallen, which positionmight be one were you snag a released guy looking for help?:

Select One of the Following:

a. linebacker

b. right tackle

c. right guard

d. free safety

e. wide receiver

f. none of the above

Moe rolls with 'a' linebacker a the skins would do well with another 'backer who can play in a 3-4 system.

And if the guy isn't taken now, the Final Cutdown day is perhaps the day where some quality 'backer--or another player--might be found.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 26, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd say outside linebacker Moe, with a G/T if one becomes available that can really play both for short periods of time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

About that second round used to get a guy named Jason Taylor.

You do remember that, doncha?

Well, the dolphins took that pick and used it to snag Pat White in the '09 draft.

Now, the So Fla people say the 'fins will release P White this Tuesday as they are completely disappointed with his play.

So that pick for J Taylor essentially got wasted.

This short announcement reminds us all that D.C. also stands for 'DAMN, Cerrato!'

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 26, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bradford solid first drive for the Rams against New England.

Tied at 7-7. New England scored on the opening kickoff, took the next one back to their 43. Rams KO coverage not that swell.

Game is live online at atdhe.net.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 26, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla

Thanks, the game is on @ 11 on NFL network. I was looking forward to watching it, please stop with the updates.

thanks

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"I've had girlfriends that were crazier, but not by much..."

I don't know about crazy, but I did date a few dogs in my time.

I dated a girl who was so black and ugly her face looked like a raisin with eyes.

My friends told me to be nice to her as cruelty to animals was a felony.

She was so black, she'd take off her clothes at night and I could see her shadow in a dark room.

I drank cups of black coffee that weren't her shade.

Her best day for beauty was Halloween as her face kinda blended in with the masks kids wore.

"Tell me I'm beautiful," she'd say.

I wouldn't, reminding her that I promised her I'd never lie.

I took her to the zoo, but they stopped us on the way out thinking I had kidnapped one of the animals.

She had a nice booty, big chest, gorgeous legs, and plenty o' money.

Why did I stay with her?

Did I tell you she had a warm mouth?

And nice eyes?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 26, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla

Thanks, the game is on @ 11 on NFL network. I was looking forward to watching it, please stop with the updates.

thanks

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 7:59 PM

'zilla -- Do him a favor. Misleading updates. Rams win: 35-3!! Then when he watches the game he will be appalled at his ignorance.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse


It's fairly obvious the talent they see in Kelly. That is the reason why he is still on the roster. Not saying he's a lock to make it, but it's still in his power so long as he can get healthy within the last week and play in the final preseason game.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:36 PM |

Not going to happen. He's burnt toast.

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Best all around passers?:
Dan Fouts
Terry Bradshaw
Steve Young
Doug Williams
Warren Moon
Troy Aikman
Bert Jones
Dan Marino--outstanding in every way in his prime
Posted by: MistaMoe"

This would be a difficult list to compile. Somebody like Doug Williams had accuracy problems in his first few years in the NFL and yet was remarkably accurate in his Super Bowl year in Washington. How does that happen? I don't know, but sometimes it just does.

Not sure what 'all-around' means, but this would be my list, based on passing skill alone, in no particular order, no current players, but with consideration for the era in which they played:

Sam Baugh, Otto Graham, Sonny Jurgenson, John Unitas, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, John Elway.

I imagine Peyton Manning will pass somebody at some point.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 26, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse


Kelly has all of these to a great degree. Better than any WR on the roster actually.

Posted by: psps23 | August 26, 2010 3:45 PM |

Say what ? It's more like , SHOW ME SOMETHING, AND SHOW IT ON A FOOTBALL FIELD IN A FOOTBALL GAME !

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse


I think Malcolm's lack of stats has more to do with Campbell/Zorn.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 26, 2010 4:25 PM |

Sometimes I wonder about you hess. So tell me my brethren, what has he done this year that makes you think he'll stick ?

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Diesel.

Bradford's stinkin' up the joint now. New England looks like a lock for the Super Bowl.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 26, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I wonder about you hess. So tell me my brethren, what has he done this year that makes you think he'll stick ?

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:34 PM

Hess talking to himself or does someone have two sock puppet browsers open, one working hessone and the other working Poopy?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

zilla-

no worries, and I thought I had a football addiction...but you're watching it online.

props

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

(repost)

For all the chatter about the receiver position, the lack of depth and versitility on our o-line back ups is what what doom the season.

Who makes it to 9/12/10:

Edwin Williams
Chad Rhinehart
Wil Montgemory
Eugene Cook
Selvish Capers
Will Robinson
Clint Oldenburg
Kory Lichtensteiger

We've reposted this as despite all the chatta about wr's, an injury to a starting offensive lineman is what will cause major problems.

The ravens' game exposed the lack of quality depth along the o-line as our #2's we're as good as theirs.

With 2 cutdown days looming, there's the liklihood one of the back up types I've listed will be gone as of 9/12/10.

The issue is: Who'll get cut?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | August 26, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse


Happy birthday brown. I would like to vote for you as the new Mayor of the RI. No offense to JREID, of course !

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse


Hess talking to himself or does someone have two sock puppet browsers open, one working hessone and the other working Poopy?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 8:46 PM |

beep-beep is obsessed with sock puppets. ih8's last name is Hess, incase you didn't know. Sorry about the confusion.

Posted by: hessone | August 26, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

2 of the 5 best QBs in the league playing on the 4 letter network.

My top 5 list of 2010
Manning
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

hessone--Obsessed? How about "wary"? Okay, obsessed. I always thought his last name was Dallas.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

beep-

Which part of the eastern shore do you reside? I had a completely unfunny breakdown of where I thought you were a couple days ago.

I'll shorten it...My guess would be Rehoboth for obvious reasons but my money would be on St. Michaels.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

No one has been talking about this, but adam carriker has been tearing it up at de and will only get better as AH gets in there and the defense solidifies.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 26, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

My 53 man roster as of today.

2 QB - DMac, Grossman

3 RB - CP, LJ, Williams (Williams over Torain because of teams)

2 FB - Sellers, Young (Young makes it because of his play on punt teams)

3 TE - Cooley, Davis, Paulsen (could be Vickers, but I'd take Paulsen because I like his upside as a blocker)

9 OL - TW,DD, CR, AH, JB, Ed Williams, Lichtensteiger, Heyer, Capers (A vet OL could be added and the team moves Capers to PS. Capers is 53nd player)

6 WR - Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Armstrong, Kelly, Banks (Kelly is 52rd player. Austin on PS, R Williams on speed dial if Kelly gets hurt again. Kelly makes team by default if healthy next week. If Kelly isn't healthy, Austin makes the team)

7 DL - Golston, Kemo, Carricker, Holliday, Haynesworth, Daniels, Scott (Scott has been quietly moving up depth chart. Jarmon's injury put him behind the 8 ball)

8 LB - Rak, Mac, Fletch, AC, Wilson, Riely, Alexander, Henson. (Henson beats HB because of teams).

5 CB - Hall CR22, Buchanon, Barnes, Westbrook. (Westbrook over Tryon because he's a better fit for defense)

5 S - LL, Moore, Reed, Horton, Carter (Carter makes it because he'll help on teams, understands the defense, and a more natural FS than the other players. Carter takes HB's place on roster)

LS, Punter, Kicker

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll shorten it...My guess would be Rehoboth for obvious reasons but my money would be on St. Michaels.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:14 PM

Way off. Accomac. The county seat of Accomack County, about 20 miles south of Chincoteague. I live at the end of the road. But, it's a summer home and we move back to DC tomorrow. Big cultural shock from the boonies to downtown DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Galloway broke into the league during the Nixon Administration. There's no tread left on those tires.

Posted by: randysbailin | August 26, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers is ridiculous.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else feeling slightly off today because we haven't had a Haynesworth post?

Posted by: mack1 | August 26, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else feeling slightly off today because we haven't had a Haynesworth post?

Posted by: mack1 | August 26, 2010 9:40 PM

LMAO. What's wrong with a Devin Thomas post?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers got that back shoulder fade down, that's for sure.

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

Nice work and I agree with most.

I'd disagee @

WR- Williams instead of Kelly. All about the ability to play teams. I'm not sure if Kelly will ever be healthy enough to play to his potential.

DL- need 3 NTs, therefore Scott (pos of a human being) is gonzo for Green or Bryant

CB- Tyron is a lock, Westbrook will be cut.

S- Horton is on the bubble, look out for Lendy Holmes

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers has it all down basically...poster child for grooming a qb the old school way...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

CB- Tyron is a lock, Westbrook will be cut.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:46 PM

I've heard good things about Westbrook this offseason. Not so much Tryon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers has it all down basically...poster child for grooming a qb the old school way...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 9:47 PM

How much of it is grooming and how much was natural ability?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 26, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

2 QB - DMac, Grossman AGREED

3 RB - CP, LJ, Williams (Williams over Torain because of teams)I THINK TORAIN MAKES SQUAD

2 FB - Sellers, Young (Young makes it because of his play on punt teams)AGREED

3 TE - Cooley, Davis, Paulsen (could be Vickers, but I'd take Paulsen because I like his upside as a blocker)AGREED

9 OL - TW,DD, CR, AH, JB, Ed Williams, Lichtensteiger, Heyer, Capers (A vet OL could be added and the team moves Capers to PS. Capers is 53nd player)AGREED

6 WR - Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Armstrong, Kelly, Banks (Kelly is 52rd player. Austin on PS, R Williams on speed dial if Kelly gets hurt again. Kelly makes team by default if healthy next week. If Kelly isn't healthy, Austin makes the team)DISAGREE KELLY IS GONE, AUSTIN ON PSQUAD ADD ROYDELL

7 DL - Golston, Kemo, Carricker, Holliday, Haynesworth, Daniels, Scott (Scott has been quietly moving up depth chart. Jarmon's injury put him behind the 8 ball)BASICALLY, SAD BUT TRUE JARMON MIGHT BE GONE

8 LB - Rak, Mac, Fletch, AC, Wilson, Riely, Alexander, Henson. (Henson beats HB because of teams).DISAGREE BLADES A LOCK AND PLAYS GOOD TEAMS.

5 CB - Hall CR22, Buchanon, Barnes, Westbrook. (Westbrook over Tryon because he's a better fit for defense)AGREED

5 S - LL, Moore, Reed, Horton, Carter (Carter makes it because he'll help on teams, understands the defense, and a more natural FS than the other players. Carter takes HB's place on roster)AGREE ACCEPT ABOUT HB

LS, Punter, Kicker

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

scamp/TWISI-

I'd be willing to wager..

Tyron will definitely be on the 53. He will be our #3 CB. Did you guys see the game last week or his play last year? He's improved every year unlike most.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

S- Horton is on the bubble, look out for Lendy Holmes

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:46 PM

Big Holmes fan. I've been hoping he does something of note. Hopefully he steps up in the next two games. I thought about 3 NTs, but I have Haynesworth and Carricker rotating there. I have to think that either Green or Bryant can be picked back up in case of an emergency. Same with Williams at WR. If Kelly can't play next week, a part of me think that the team will carry 5 WRs (Moss,DT,Galloway,AA,Banks) and carry another DB or LB.

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Needless to say,
the beast was stunned.
Whip-crack went his whippet tail,
And the beast was done.
He asked us:
"(snort) BE you angels?"
And we said,
"Nay.
We are but men
Rock!!
Ahhh, ahhh, ahhh-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahn,
Ohhh, whoah, ah-whoah-oh!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 26, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"Aaron Rodgers has it all down basically...poster child for grooming a qb the old school way...

Posted by: chrislarry

How much of it is grooming and how much was natural ability?

Posted by: beep-beep

Dude obviously he has natural ability, but he had a chance to study, prepare, get hungry and not get his azz handed to him getting out there to early. There are many ways to do it but rodgers does show the benefits of the slower process of growing a QB.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

scamp/TWISI-

I'd be willing to wager..

Tyron will definitely be on the 53. He will be our #3 CB. Did you guys see the game last week or his play last year? He's improved every year unlike most.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:55 PM |

I know Tryon has been improving. I'm not actually making a prediction here just stating what I've heard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

tyron is gone

Posted by: chrislarry | August 26, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Tyron will definitely be on the 53. He will be our #3 CB. Did you guys see the game last week or his play last year? He's improved every year unlike most.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 9:55 PM |

I think Tryon can play. Problem is he's a liability on the outside so he's strictly a slot guy. With CR22 the primary CB there and Westbrook logging time at both the slot and outside position, Tryon is in a difficult spot.

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Tyron fan but he's one of our top 5 CBs.

He's 5'9 and plays smaller but he can run, has good hands, can tackle, and like I said before has gotten better each year.

IMO 2010 CBs
Hall
Rodgers
Tyron
Buchanon
Barnes

Robinson and Westbrook cut.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm pulling for Galloway to make this team. The guy is old sure. But I think he can still play and every time I hear him speak I like him more. He's a class act and this team seems to be kinda short on those. Maybe he can teach these young 'uns a thing or two.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

In 2010, the Skins plays seven games against teams that won 11 to 14 games last year and four more against .500-or-better teams.

2009 4-12
MS/KS/JH/BA +3
McNabb +2
switch to 3-4 -1

Put me down for an 8-8 season, which would be a huge improvement. I said this 2 months ago, but just to stay consistent, I'll say it again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Etched in stone Diesel

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Put me down for an 8-8 season, which would be a huge improvement. I said this 2 months ago, but just to stay consistent, I'll say it again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd take 8-8 with the schedule they have and the team starting over with a new staff.

Posted by: TWISI | August 26, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone concerned that 1st ballot HOF Tom Brady has played more tonight than McNabb will play in all 4 preseason games?

Me, Yes..

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys wearing white, which means we'll be in our burgundy on Sept 12.

Any guess on the color of pants? I'm hoping for Gold.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, what better time to bust out gold pants than prime time/opening night?

On the other hand, I shudder to think about the team's past bad losses wearing unusual uni combinations.

You know what, screw it, burgundy shirts and gold pants would kick ass. It would be awesome to see that on opening night.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 26, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I thought Campbell would be a good fit for AZ. Decent OL with a very good -- and big WR.

I wondered why AZ didn't pursue him, given that Leinart was such an unknown.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse


Gee. Maybe they didn't pursue Campbell b/c they watched him play and decided he sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Gee. Maybe they didn't pursue Campbell b/c they watched him play and decided he sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | August 26, 2010 10:55 PM |

He doesn't suck but he is mediocre...which is faaaarrrrr batter than Leinart.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 26, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

burgundy jerseys, white pants, black shoes - love that look

actually, I hate that look

time to break out the gold pants and white shoes

Posted by: coparker5 | August 26, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

scamp-

not for everyone, especially those that dig coldplay. Anyways, a little under the radar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqOxYDGF_Co&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 26, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

That was pretty godd d44. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwNrjvNiYs

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

scamp-

I know I could beat the sh!t out of everyone in that video and the chick is pretty hot, but they scare me. Great song, ok cover.

check out this MD band......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3V0B3NqMk&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

You know what D44? The more I watch that the more I'm sure I saw them open for Metallica at the Schott in Columbus, Ohio. I guarantee it was them. Down was the other opener.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I know Clutch pretty well. They're one of the better ones.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

S-

They have. Great MD band.

This is maybe there most commercial song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx6FV2qR2TY

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Sorry guys but so far this evening this one takes the cake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WGNd8QR-U


And who digs Coldplay, really, people do?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

scamp-

I know I could beat the sh!t out of everyone in that video and the chick is pretty hot, but they scare me. Great song, ok cover.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:11 AM |

I thought it was pretty cool in a capella. They have some talent for what is usually a pretty d0uchy medium.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

S-

You must have been talking about The Sword. They toured with Metallica in either 08 or 09. Sweet band..

Here's another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7ndxWgW5A

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I also like Mastadon. Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgMsACFMIq8

takes the cake

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

S-

You must have been talking about The Sword. They toured with Metallica in either 08 or 09. Sweet band..

Here's another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7ndxWgW5A

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:26 AM |

Yea, I saw em last year. The lead dude was a little guy but they wailed.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

And this is just the 2nd half of a song and this takes the cake. Oh yeah, and I was there too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqs0X7SsfVM

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I saw Mastodon at the 9:30 club back in like '04/'05 or so and it's probably one of the top 10 shows I've ever seen, which says something.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah poopy, Tool is great. Great maybe an understatement. For me they are in my top 5 with Rage, Metallica, Johnny Cash, & AC/DC as the most listen to music when I'm in the gym.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I saw Rage a few years ago when they played a few shows out here in CA and it was crazy.

Everyone in the grass section (think back of merryweather/nissan) was lighting things on fire and police helicopters were circling above at a few hundred feet trying to maintain some sense of order during RATM's set. Cops on the ground were trying to arrest people for stealing beer from one of the tents. It was wild and it was awesome.

Oh, as for Tool I've seen 'em 11 times so I think they may be just a tad bit good. And their lives shows are amazing!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Yeah poopy, Tool is great. Great maybe an understatement. For me they are in my top 5 with Rage, Metallica, Johnny Cash, & AC/DC as the most listen to music when I'm in the gym.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 27, 2010 12:41 AM |

Just can't get into them too much. I loved Sober but my roomie at GT played my tape until the tape actually wore through. They've started sounding all the same. (Yes tape) Top 5 is tough...gotta go Metallica, Faith No More, Pink Floyd, Killswitch Engage, Stevie Ray Vaughn. For the gym it's Metallica, Killswitch, Megadeth, Pantera and Korn.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh and scamp, if you like Mastodon you should know they're playing out here in October with Deftones and Alice In Chains.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I saw Rage a few years ago when they played a few shows out here in CA and it was crazy.

Everyone in the grass section (think back of merryweather/nissan) was lighting things on fire and police helicopters were circling above at a few hundred feet trying to maintain some sense of order during RATM's set. Cops on the ground were trying to arrest people for stealing beer from one of the tents. It was wild and it was awesome.

Oh, as for Tool I've seen 'em 11 times so I think they may be just a tad bit good. And their lives shows are amazing!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:45 AM

Saw Rage years ago at Lakewood Amphitheatre in Atlanta when they played with Wu Tang. We made sure we showed up at the end of Wu Tang. There was some pretty good fights that night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh and scamp, if you like Mastodon you should know they're playing out here in October with Deftones and Alice In Chains.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 27, 2010 12:48 AM |

I love AIC too. Deftones first album was good, after that not so much. I'll have to go see that one.

Best show I've ever seen was Faith No More. Mike Patton is absolutely insane!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Alright, I gotta sign off with this, poor quality but arguably where and with who thrash began:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDbgHElLXEg&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 27, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers, so far in the preseason:

41-53, 470yds, 6 TDs

I think I'll keeper him. Good call, cL?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

strange box score for the Rams-Pats game. Rams ran 84 plays, the Pats ran 38. Not sure I've ever seen that big a difference in number of plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 27, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

FIRST!!

Wow, dude. For a skater, Scampbell, you don't know squadoosh about skater music. Trash was around way before Metallica. Keep searching, Grasshopper.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 27, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse


beep

Posted by: hessone | August 27, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

I THINK A LOT OF THE ABOVE BLOGGERS NEED TO STOP WRITING IN WP SPORTS, AND GET IN A CHAT ROOM. DID ANYONE EVEN TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE?

Armstrong has looked as good as any receiver..we know Santana is top dog.
My question is why had not team, nor the Redskins themselves paid much attention to Armstrong prior to this year. Considering how bad Skin`s receivers were last year(not Moss)..why was AA not put on the regular team? Several other teams had him prior to the Redskins...so, how could they all blow it so bad?
If Kelly makes the team...it will not be because he proved it on the field..in the last 3 years!!!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | August 27, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

My question is why had not team, nor the Redskins themselves paid much attention to Armstrong prior to this year. Considering how bad Skin`s receivers were last year(not Moss)..why was AA not put on the regular team? Several other teams had him prior to the Redskins...so, how could they all blow it so bad?

Posted by: blazerguy234 | August 27, 2010 7:28 AM

Ironically, the answer to the question posed above is also the reason that Kelly could still develope into a good WR (even if its not w/the Skins). The answer is that Armstrong did not develope to the level that he is playing at now during his first few years in the league.

His play improved between the ages of 24-26yrs. How old is Kelly, again? That's right 23yrs old.

Posted by: SportzWiz | August 27, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

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