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Randle El Faces His Old Friends

This is a big week for wide receiver Antwaan Randle El, who will be facing the team he entered the league with - Pittsburgh - for the first time since leaving there as a free agent in 2005. Randle El won a Super Bowl with the Steelers and remains close to many of his former teammates.

Randle El said the prospect of facing his former team on "Monday Night Football" is "not as weird as I thought it would be," but it does feel strange. There's a lot more hype and he expects to be saying a lot of hellos during warm-ups Monday.

"It's a different feeling," he said. "I still talk to a lot of those guys on the phone."

Randle El was a college quarterback who adapted to a "slash" role with the Steelers, become a gadget guy and secondary receiver and starred as a return specialist. He has become a more regular contributor on offense with the Redskins, but has been unable to duplicate his prolific moments as a punt returner.

The Steelers are a very aggressive defense, however, and this could be precisely the kind of game in which he may be involved with some trickery. The Redskins scored a huge touchdown against the Eagles - another highly-aggressive, blitzing defense - a few weeks back, when Randle El threw an option pass off a reverse to tight end Chris Cooley. Jim Zorn may have a little somethin', somethin' in store for the Steelers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 29, 2008; 2:20 PM ET
 
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p1stfunk...

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Randle El running the "Wildcat".....I sure as hell wouldn't see it coming.

Posted by: Foosball9 | October 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

craig2, I don't consider pure dumb luck as good management. And I'm sorry, when you look at this team for the most part that is what we've had so far. And yes, we absolutely lucked into a great head coach, just look at the process, the only thing they deserve credit for is not promoting GG or Saunders, other than that the search was a complete mess that ended with the promotion of a guy who had never even been an OC to head coach. It turned out great, but do you really think Zorn would be our coach if Spagnola, Cowher (who just this week said that Snyder did in fact contact him to Peter King), or any of the other big names had wanted the job? I'm glad they didn't I love Zorn and think we got a great coach, but don't tell me Zorn was their #1 choice and the type of guy they were targeting. Having Horton become an instant starter and impact player is a lucky find. Not having a plan behind Daniels, having him get inevitably injured again, trading for Taylor and having him flop and then having a obscure journeyman exceed his history/expectations to contribute as a starter is luck, to have McIntosh return to the starting lineup so quickly and Rogers return from a career threatening injury to play at a level he never before showed in his career when initially they thought it could be midseason for both of them is luck, to have our oline be basically healthy to date is lucky, to have both Moss and ARE stay healthy until now is luck.

the only thing they deserve credit for is committing to JC and bringing in a guy with a history of helping young qbs to be his coordinator, and then out of necessity making him the head coach.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg has the lowdown on Justin Geisinger's "opposite of Smoot" digs:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/10/justin_geisingers_one-bedroom.html#more

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we play Pitt in a preseason last year or the year before?

Quick question: If you don't like the way JLC writes his blog, his "negativity", etc. than why keep coming here? Why not go to a more friendly, positive blog to get your Redskins news?

It reminds me of the people who complain about Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly or Keith Olbermann and than sit down and watch their program.

Just curious.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 29, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Interesting you use "more friendly, positive blog" yourself, so your conceding JLC is a negative reporter. At least you see what the problem is.

I read and post here because there just so happen several other "reporters" and journalists that have input on this blog, and it's one of the more DAILY active blogs that run entirely by "just a fan" with no real news to offer 98% of the time.

I can get opinions all over the place, I want real information, and at this point, this one of only a few places to get it. I do post and write elsewhere too.

Posted by: craig2 | October 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

maybe 1st or 2nd who cares

Posted by: poolman1200000 | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Time for ARE to step forward and put a dagger in the Steelers fans' hearts. We need a huge game from him.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

kill me now re: endless debate on Vinny/JLC...

(sorry RedDMV, couldnt be helped)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

kill me now re: endless debate on Vinny/JLC...

(sorry RedDMV, couldnt be helped)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

And this last draft class

Posted by: TWISI | October 29, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 -- Dude, by your breakdown then, EVERY TEAM to ever be any good is based on luck, so WTF! If it's all luck to have players play well, stay healthy, GET healthy, then it's ALL LUCK ALL THE TIME, for every team.

And BTW, Rogers was having a pretty dam good year last year before he got hurt, I'm sure you don't remember that though (or perhaps disagree with about 90% of other NFL people), and again, the only report that Spags said no was the one from JLC, every one else, including Spags, said they never offered the job to him to begin with, and there were several well respected coaches who were interested in the job, this isn't Oakland, and what exactly was such a "mess" about the search anyway? The way they interviewed many candidates? Or was it that each interview was real long? Or maybe that they had a lot of questions for each candidate? A mess? Explain.

And Daniels wasn't the only DE to get hurt opening day of camp either (maybe they did have other plans? maybe?).

And they just so happen to have quite a few Skins draft picks starting, quite a few FA signees that have been quite productive for most of their contract, and a roster just as deep as any in the NFL.

As I said, you would rather base all your feelings on past issues, and that's your choice. If you want to carry such negativity, you want to be miserably unhappy with Snyder based on your early hatred, then all I can say is that I feel sorry for the people who are close to you, they probably get the same type of thing in their daily lives.

Posted by: craig2 | October 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

include me on that...ugh...lucked into=power rankings...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This is awful, I completely owned some loser like two threads ago but it's too much of a hassle to find it to copy/paste it!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 1:46 PM

So, our boy, The Truth (11th edition) is either unable or too lazy to find a post but the other guy is "a loser"?

Truth, you're such a loser you couldn't even own yourself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

and it's one of the more DAILY active blogs that run entirely by "just a fan"

should have been: and it's one of the more DAILY active blogs that are NOT run entirely by "just a fan"

Posted by: craig2 | October 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

CL,
Even I am sick of that debate.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Harris Teeter 'Tater Salad... roll into the movies with a pound of that...and you are good to go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 29, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

and finally don't tell me having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle is good if any of your starters go down is good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM

Nice Jack, but you wanted them to draft a rookie to be ready if/when Daniels went out (based on one of your post from yesterday citing his age and injuries over the past few seasons) but not on OL. Nice...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton was far more than just a "lucky find". Contrary to what Chumpfora tells you, Vinny and the front office maintain many good relationships with former coaches and players. One of those fruitful relationships exists with DeWayne Walker, former secondary coach for the Redskins and current defensive coordinator for UCLA. This isn't luck, this is good football business.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton was far more than just a "lucky find". Contrary to what Chumpfora tells you, Vinny and the front office maintain many good relationships with former coaches and players. One of those fruitful relationships exists with DeWayne Walker, former secondary coach for the Redskins and current defensive coordinator for UCLA. This isn't luck, this is good football business.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

zj, seriously, thanks for your SPIN on things.

Everything that goes well for the team is luck. Good. Gotcha, loud and clear. You and corky. Lather rinse repeat.

your opinion=power rankings

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 29, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

CL,
Even I am sick of that debate.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't mean to pile on or sound condescending/sarcastic, but don't you get the feeling Truth is some 12 yr old, pimple-faced kid on a perpetual sugar high? I can see him banging away hyperactively on his keyboard, slamming Reese's cups, bedroom tattooed with Hannah Montana and Hillary Duff posters. He is high comedy, if in a low-brow kind of way.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't mean to pile on or sound condescending/sarcastic, but don't you get the feeling Truth is some 12 yr old, pimple-faced kid on a perpetual sugar high? I can see him banging away hyperactively on his keyboard, slamming Reese's cups, bedroom tattooed with Hannah Montana and Hillary Duff posters. He is high comedy, if in a low-brow kind of way.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

In my mind, luck (esp. injuries and penalty calls) makes up for something like 90% of the difference btwn worst and first. 53 x 32 guys get paid (well) to work full time as professional athletes. The worst pro team would CRUSH the best college team. Luck (good and bad) plays a HUGE part in that very thin gray line btwn the teams that go first and last in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"This is awful, I completely owned some loser like two threads ago but it's too much of a hassle to find it to copy/paste it!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 1:46 PM

So, our boy, The Truth (11th edition) is either unable or too lazy to find a post but the other guy is "a loser"?

Truth, you're such a loser you couldn't even own yourself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 2:50 PM"

The Truth wants talent_evaluator to know that The Truth saw talent_evaluator's post in the last thread but The Truth just did not feel the need to respond.

The Truth is too cool to worry about little things like this.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Craig, Alex Buzbee's injury was not a big deal, he was hoping to maybe crack the roster, not back up Daniels.

And I'm glad that a simple 6-2 start erases everything for you and all things Redskins are wonderful now. For me, I've been a fan of this team for 30 years, I've watched it run as a joke since Snyder bought and during that time we've had pretty good 8 game stretches before always followed by some form or another of utter incompetence. Until I see some sort of sustained success and something resembling competent management, I'll still be very skeptical of the future of this team. That happened after the first 6 or 7 seasons of getting all excited about what Snyder's PR department said about the team and thinking we would be good only to be let down repeatedly. And I don't see not having a plan behind an old injury prone Daniels, not having plan if Rocky doesn't come back, or if Marcus spent most of the season out again (don't tell me H.B. Blades was the one plan at two spots), not having a plan for if Rogers couldn't come back or if injury prone Springs struck again, having Reed Doughty as your starting safety, not adding one veteran option to a thin receiving core and finally having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle if any of your starters go down as competent management.

It appears we are in the midst of a magically healthy wonderful season, and it also appears we have found our coach and QB for many years, that is wonderful and if it is all that ends up coming from this season it was worth it, but we still have big issues at the core and until we fix them I don't give Vinny or Snyder a pass because of a great start.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I just hope that Pitt has to utilize their punter as often as possible. They are probably the only team in the league that has a long snapper with more sacks then snaps!

Posted by: Stu27 | October 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, truth, if you want to find that post, it's worth another try.On another note, the third person thing is cool - keep it up!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

don't you get the feeling Truth is some 12 yr old, pimple-faced kid on a perpetual sugar high?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM |

Well, he claims to be 22 years old and a graduate of Charleston College so is that about the same thing? Or is that the type of claim that a 12-year-old would make to give himself blog cred?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

zj, did you mean to say nothing in response to my post? Hopefully.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

****NEWS FLASH****

Barack Obama has decided to tax Clinton Portis' yards gained. He want to "spread those yard around" to RB who haven't had as good of a season.

So anyone who rushes for over 1100 this season will lose those extra yards and those yards will be given to all the RB's that rushed for under 1000 yards so that they have an opportunity to reach the 1000 yard milestone like everyone else.

In addition all teams that finish over .500 will be taxed on the extra wins and those wins will go to teams that finished below .500. All teams will finish 8-8, the playoff are canceled for being too competitive and everyone gets the #1 Draft Pick in 2009. The #1 Draft Pick will be divide into 32 pieces and each will receive their fair share of that player.

He's also working on a Super Bowl Reparation Program. Obama plans to take Super Bowl victories from teams that have won multiple Super Bowls and "spread those victory around" to teams that haven't been able achieve Super Bowl glory!

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

In my mind, luck (esp. injuries and penalty calls) makes up for something like 90% of the difference btwn worst and first. 53 x 32 guys get paid (well) to work full time as professional athletes. The worst pro team would CRUSH the best college team. Luck (good and bad) plays a HUGE part in that very thin gray line btwn the teams that go first and last in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Good point here. Look how the Colts, Jaguars, and to some extent the Charges have struggled because of injuries and bad luck (ie injuries to a specific position).

Posted by: TWISI | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

LMG, that was a perfect opportunity to start your comment "With all due respect...":

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The Truth wants talent_evaluator to know that The Truth saw talent_evaluator's post in the last thread but The Truth just did not feel the need to respond.

The Truth is too cool to worry about little things like this.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 3:03 PM |

Dude, If you didn't respond in the last thread, why in this one? You're not cool -- you're running scared now with the talent_evaluator on you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

wow that wasn't funny

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, boo! We're almost at the finish line, let's keep the politics outta here! I mean that for both sides!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Not a Cerrato fan, but

This team had 100% of its starters set to return. That is not luck. This team had 10 draft picks, the fact that only 1 has shown anything is not luck. The fact that 3 guys in the secondary have been hurt is not luck (Springs, Horton, Doughty). The fact that 3 guys who play LDE have been hurt is not luck (Taylor, Busbee, Daniels).

Does this team have holes and vulnerabilities? Yes, all teams do. We are not deep on the o-line and at WR. All things considered, that isn't too bad, and it the mgmt does deserve its share of credit.

Jim Zorn, now that was kind of lucky

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

until we fix them I don't give Vinny or Snyder a pass because of a great start.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You'll get the first shout out if this team collapses in the second half of this season.

Posted by: TWISI | October 29, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

No pass, and it's not a "great" season at all. It's called results, which I am more worried about than past BS. Buzbee was already on the roster, James and/or Jackson were the long shots before those two injuries, Doughty played well down the stretch last year, the "second year guy" proved it last year, Blades proved it last year, M. Washington has already missed time(did the team fall apart), Springs has already missed time(did the team fall apart), two starters at tackle already been hurt(did the team fall apart).

NO.

And for the last 41 years I haven't seen a guy galvanize a team quite the way Zorn has, so since I see all of the above along with Zorn, I'm pretty fired up about the future.

Sorry your not, but that's your choice.

Posted by: craig2 | October 29, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

and finally don't tell me having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle is good if any of your starters go down is good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM

Nice Jack, but you wanted them to draft a rookie to be ready if/when Daniels went out (based on one of your post from yesterday citing his age and injuries over the past few seasons) but not on OL. Nice...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Yeah I wanted them to draft a rookie on the dline, I also would have liked to use some of that 9 million or so they had in cap space on 5 players not the big name splashy signings like we have in the past not looking to add impact starters since we had 22 starters returning (assuming health of Washington, Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, and McIntosh)but all in the three to 5 year experience level one at oline, one at receiver, one at end, one LB, and one in the secondary preferably safety. Then use your 5 picks from the 2nd through 4th rounds on a receiver (thomas was fine), then the best players available at any of those same positions, then wow, what a nice mix of experience you have ready to play if your starters go down and youth building towards the future. Instead, they signed nobody, drafted 2 players at for one position which is historically very hit or miss just ask the Lions, draft a guy at one of the few positions of no need with a 2nd round pick, then made a good pick then drafted a corner who looks like a total bust and wasn't even projected to be a draft pick by most people. Then they have to send two more picks for a guy that at best they will have to replace again in two years and ate up what was enough cap space to sign lots of middle tier depth guys who promptly got hurt which mid 30's players tend to do and still have thin receiving, secondary, linebacking, and oline units. That's not good management, sorry, a 6-2 start doesn't change that for me. A 6-2 start makes me happy, doesn't make me delusional.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Truth sees fools like "Notorious LMG" insult him and takes it all in stride. The Truth wants to thank "Notorious LMG" for the attempt at flattery, but The Truth also wants to tell "Notorious LMG" that it went slightly beyond flattery and into the realm of stalker\obsession.

The Truth says no worries. The Truth can handle this.

Also, The Truth wants everyone to know that The Truth does not get on sugar highs on chocolate because The Truth is not a fan of chocolate really. The Truth's teeth feel weird when The Truth eats candy bars.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

until we fix them I don't give Vinny or Snyder a pass because of a great start.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You'll get the first shout out if this team collapses in the second half of this season.

Posted by: TWISI | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

No pass, and it's not a "great" season at all. It's called results, which I am more worried about than past BS. Buzbee was already on the roster, James and/or Jackson were the long shots before those two injuries, Doughty played well down the stretch last year, the "second year guy" proved it last year, Blades proved it last year, M. Washington has already missed time(did the team fall apart), Springs has already missed time(did the team fall apart), two starters at tackle already been hurt(did the team fall apart).

NO.

And for the last 41 years I haven't seen a guy galvanize a team quite the way Zorn has, so since I see all of the above along with Zorn, I'm pretty fired up about the future.

Sorry your not, but that's your choice.

Posted by: craig2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

and finally don't tell me having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle is good if any of your starters go down is good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM

Nice Jack, but you wanted them to draft a rookie to be ready if/when Daniels went out (based on one of your post from yesterday citing his age and injuries over the past few seasons) but not on OL. Nice...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Yeah I wanted them to draft a rookie on the dline, I also would have liked to use some of that 9 million or so they had in cap space on 5 players not the big name splashy signings like we have in the past not looking to add impact starters since we had 22 starters returning (assuming health of Washington, Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, and McIntosh)but all in the three to 5 year experience level one at oline, one at receiver, one at end, one LB, and one in the secondary preferably safety. Then use your 5 picks from the 2nd through 4th rounds on a receiver (thomas was fine), then the best players available at any of those same positions, then wow, what a nice mix of experience you have ready to play if your starters go down and youth building towards the future. Instead, they signed nobody, drafted 2 players at for one position which is historically very hit or miss just ask the Lions, draft a guy at one of the few positions of no need with a 2nd round pick, then made a good pick then drafted a corner who looks like a total bust and wasn't even projected to be a draft pick by most people. Then they have to send two more picks for a guy that at best they will have to replace again in two years and ate up what was enough cap space to sign lots of middle tier depth guys who promptly got hurt which mid 30's players tend to do and still have thin receiving, secondary, linebacking, and oline units. That's not good management, sorry, a 6-2 start doesn't change that for me. A 6-2 start makes me happy, doesn't make me delusional.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn, now that was kind of lucky

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM |

Zeke, I thought this was the least of the luck elements. They identified and signed this guy as OC. If Gibbs had brought him in, instead of Saunders, Gibbs 2 could have turned out differently.

During a protracted HC search they interviewed a lot of guys and kept an open mind. Probably if Spagnully had signed, he would have been their choice. But when he didn't, they had kept an open enough mind while working with Zorn to consider him.

I thought that was not luck, but a good assessment based on careful observation. And it also was sailing into a strong headwind of media criticism and public opinion. They really marched to the beat of a different drummer on that one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

****NEWS FLASH****

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:08 PM

The entire starting line up of [insert local team] the NFL Team is injured. [insert] the NFL Team needs our help. We are going to FIGHT for [insert] the NFL Team. And, my friends, [insert] the NFL Team is going to WIN that Super Bowl. [blink, blink, blink]

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

yo, Cl, somethings are worth b*tchin' over, and that (JLC/Vinny) is mos def one of 'em.

Yeah I've talked about the draft class, and gave my opinion about the Cerrato/JLC thing, but to keep rapping about it ad freakin' nauseam is getting dumbly redundant.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate,

ROFLMAO! I think they need to raise taxes on a "Sense of Humor" and "spread the wealth" your way.

Sorry for interrupting the little pimple -faced 12 yr old topic you guys had going!

At least my post was Redskins related!

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

yo, Cl, somethings are worth b*tchin' over, and that (JLC/Vinny) is mos def one of 'em.

Yeah I've talked about the draft class, and gave my opinion about the Cerrato/JLC thing, but to keep rapping about it ad freakin' nauseam is getting dumbly redundant.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate,

ROFLMAO! I think they need to raise taxes on a "Sense of Humor" and "spread the wealth" your way.

Sorry for interrupting the little pimple -faced 12 yr old topic you guys had going!

At least my post was Redskins related!

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn, now that was kind of lucky

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM |

Zeke, I thought this was the least of the luck elements. They identified and signed this guy as OC. If Gibbs had brought him in, instead of Saunders, Gibbs 2 could have turned out differently.

During a protracted HC search they interviewed a lot of guys and kept an open mind. Probably if Spagnully had signed, he would have been their choice. But when he didn't, they had kept an open enough mind while working with Zorn to consider him.

I thought that was not luck, but a good assessment based on careful observation. And it also was sailing into a strong headwind of media criticism and public opinion. They really marched to the beat of a different drummer on that one.

And, one other point. Holmgren had Mora and Zorn on his staff. He tapped Mora as his successor but let Zorn go. Do you think he's had any second thoughts yet? I think Vinny outstmarted Holmgren on this one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, c'mon guys, the team has been winning close and sometimes ugly games, and for some of us it's not easy to believe we'll be able to keep rolling...

Continuing at this pace would have the Skins finish something like 12-4, which still seems kind of preposterous to me, even as a rabid fan... I'd LOVE to see it, but I'm not ready to believe in it...

It's that very fine line a lot of people have mentioned, the line between winning and losing in this league... I see this team struggling with nagging injuries the rest of the way, making the playoffs and being a very tough out... it's hard to convince myself of much better at this point.

Though I think they have played their best in the biggest games (Dallas, Philly)... that's why Monday night is so huge, at home, on the biggest stage (MNF) against a really good opponent... gotta take care of this one...

blah blah blog... love the conversations we're having about a 6-2 team...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Going to the playoff in bak to back years makes me happy, very happy. We will see how well this team holds together, but im liking were we are at, if we keep on pace we wont need any crazy 4 or 5 game win streaks to make the playoffs, at this point we can legitamtly start trying to get home field. gotta give snyder some credit, at the least he brought back Gibbs, gibbs built this team then Sny got Zorn.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

chrisfilm,

you forgot to add that the bungles and the lemmings would get all other picks after #1 in hopes they could win a game on their own next season.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

... The fact that 3 guys in the secondary have been hurt is not luck (Springs, Horton, Doughty). The fact that 3 guys who play LDE have been hurt is not luck (Taylor, Busbee, Daniels). ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 3:14 PM

Injuries ARE about luck. Bad luck (which is still luck). The Clots have been buried under that particular kind of luck.

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

are you still talking about this? Your spewing a lot of "if's " and "but's".

to the point, "IF" something happens to Chris Cooley than you will be "VERY" glad we drafted Fred Davis.

We should all be happy that were not one of the teams relying on rookies to win games.

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hat's off to The Truth for finally listening to some constructive criticism and reverting to his third-person persona. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

chrisfilm,
you forgot to add that the bungles and the lemmings would get all other picks after #1 in hopes they could win a game on their own next season.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the dems couldn't care less if the bungles win another game. There will always be some dumb team willing to put in the extra work to get the extra wins. As long as there are those dumb enough to put in the extra work, there will be prosperity for all.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

zj, thanks again for your spin on things....I love statements like these:

then drafted a corner who looks like a total bust - Really, after 8 games?? What is your football scouting acumen??

and this:

and wasn't even projected to be a draft pick by most people - Really?? Care to back that one up with some facts, or was that just made up to help your points?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Truth sees fools like "Notorious LMG" insult him and takes it all in stride. The Truth wants to thank "Notorious LMG" for the attempt at flattery, but The Truth also wants to tell "Notorious LMG" that it went slightly beyond flattery and into the realm of stalker\obsession.

The Truth says no worries. The Truth can handle this.

Also, The Truth wants everyone to know that The Truth does not get on sugar highs on chocolate because The Truth is not a fan of chocolate really. The Truth's teeth feel weird when The Truth eats candy bars.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 29, 2008 3:25 PM


This post reads like something from The Shining. The annoying persona of this dude never ceases to amaze.

Posted by: F_Registration | October 29, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

chrisfilm,
you forgot to add that the bungles and the lemmings would get all other picks after #1 in hopes they could win a game on their own next season.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the dems couldn't care less if the bungles win another game. There will always be some dumb team willing to put in the extra work to get the extra wins. As long as there are those dumb enough to put in the extra work, there will be prosperity for all.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfilm,
you forgot to add that the bungles and the lemmings would get all other picks after #1 in hopes they could win a game on their own next season.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the dems couldn't care less if the bungles win another game. There will always be some dumb team willing to put in the extra work to get the extra wins. As long as there are those dumb enough to put in the extra work, there will be prosperity for all.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

CP26 will be named NFC Offensive Player of the Month........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfilm,
you forgot to add that the bungles and the lemmings would get all other picks after #1 in hopes they could win a game on their own next season.

Posted by: Section303 | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the dems couldn't care less if the bungles win another game. There will always be some dumb team willing to put in the extra work to get the extra wins. As long as there are those dumb enough to put in the extra work, there will be prosperity for all.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 29, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

filmchis - indeed, your call for a sense of humor is probably well intended, but some of us are simply tired of the silliness that this campaign has made us put up with.

And once you let that political genie out of the bag anywhere these days, you get people lining up on either side, and it's just really to the point where, I think, most of us would just like it to be over with.

So, with that said - for those of you who have not been lucky enough to do so, go out and vote for the candidate of your choice and be happy that we live in the U.S of A, where our vote counts at least a little.

And let's talk about JLC, the draft, Zorn or Vinne...

Tryon for President, Truth for VP!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

CP26 will be named NFC Offensive Player of the Month...

According to my sources.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

We should all be happy that were not one of the teams relying on rookies to win games.

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

right, if davis can beat out yoder in that scenario your right....and we relied pretty heavily on Horton against New Orleans and Dallas if I recall.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Continuing at this pace would have the Skins finish something like 12-4, which still seems kind of preposterous to me, even as a rabid fan ... I'd LOVE to see it, but I'm not ready to believe in it ..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM

Nate would LOVE to see the Skins lose two more games! Hater! Take your negativity to the Washington Times! Fire this guy already.

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Then they have to send two more picks for a guy that at best they will have to replace again in two years and ate up what was enough cap space to sign lots of middle tier depth guys who promptly got hurt which mid 30's players tend to do and still have thin receiving

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

D1ck Wad JT getting hurt has nothing to do with him being in his 30s. His knee got rolled up on in preseson can happen at 20 or 30, then got kicked in the calf again can happen at 20 or 30 so his injuries having nothing to do with his age or him breaking down. They were just pure BAD LUCK!!!

Why don't you just enjoy the season we are having and stop worring about everything else. The NFL is a season to season deal for the most part.

Posted by: wstclair | October 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, this blog tends to melt down when the politics is stirred up. Just brings out the worst in a bunch of us.

It's been pretty quiet up here lately on that front, and I want it to stay that way -- goodness knows every other media outlet (interactive or no) provides a steady stream of that stuff.

Also, that wasn't funny.

-Deputy Fife

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama will be redistributing a Steelers SB trophy to Detroit next year. I certainly don't see any other way to get one to Motown.

I think it will be the Super Bowl XL trophy; it was played in Detroit, and the Steelers beat the Seahawks, which makes it kind of like a tainted victory anyway.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

while this may seem off topic, we need to work on our penalties. I've been a skins fan since the day I was born, and I can't count the number of third down plays (either stops or gained 1st downs)that hae been called back because of Penalties. Not to dog on our guys, but Jon Jansen last game, face mask, false start...etc, how about Casey Rabach our penalty predestined center. Remember the COwboys game? He had two penalties which both resulted in TD's coming back... Granted, I'm not saying that I think we are Super Bowl Destined just quite yet, but if we want to get to where we need to be AKA the best in the NFC, we have got to stop these stupid penalties...

Posted by: DCXNTX | October 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

filmchis - indeed, your call for a sense of humor is probably well intended, but some of us are simply tired of the silliness that this campaign has made us put up with.

And once you let that political genie out of the bag anywhere these days, you get people lining up on either side, and it's just really to the point where, I think, most of us would just like it to be over with.

So, with that said - for those of you who have not been lucky enough to do so, go out and vote for the candidate of your choice and be happy that we live in the U.S of A, where our vote counts at least a little.

And let's talk about JLC, the draft, Zorn or Vinne...

Tryon for President, Truth for VP!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Then they have to send two more picks for a guy that at best they will have to replace again in two years and ate up what was enough cap space to sign lots of middle tier depth guys who promptly got hurt which mid 30's players tend to do and still have thin receiving

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

D1ck Wad JT getting hurt has nothing to do with him being in his 30s. His knee got rolled up on in preseson can happen at 20 or 30, then got kicked in the calf again can happen at 20 or 30 so his injuries having nothing to do with his age or him breaking down. They were just pure BAD LUCK!!!

Why don't you just enjoy the season we are having and stop worring about everything else. The NFL is a season to season deal for the most part.

Posted by: wstclair | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

We should all be happy that were not one of the teams relying on rookies to win games.

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM |

Uh, that would be "rookies to lose games." If you look at the teams that are using rookie receivers to put up big numbers -- Rams, Eagles, Broncos, Seahawks -- the best record among them is 4-3. Skins, using vets, are at 6-2.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

We should all be happy that were not one of the teams relying on rookies to win games.

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

right, if davis can beat out yoder in that scenario your right....and we relied pretty heavily on Horton against New Orleans and Dallas if I recall.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, this blog tends to melt down when the politics is stirred up. Just brings out the worst in a bunch of us.

It's been pretty quiet up here lately on that front, and I want it to stay that way -- goodness knows every other media outlet (interactive or no) provides a steady stream of that stuff.

Also, that wasn't funny.

-Deputy Fife

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama will be redistributing a Steelers SB trophy to Detroit next year. I certainly don't see any other way to get one to Motown.

I think it will be the Super Bowl XL trophy; it was played in Detroit, and the Steelers beat the Seahawks, which makes it kind of like a tainted victory anyway.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

and finally don't tell me having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle is good if any of your starters go down is good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM

Nice Jack, but you wanted them to draft a rookie to be ready if/when Daniels went out (based on one of your post from yesterday citing his age and injuries over the past few seasons) but not on OL. Nice...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Yeah I wanted them to draft a rookie on the dline, I also would have liked to use some of that 9 million or so they had in cap space ....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM |

Nice long response but you did not touch on the fact that you have a problem having a rookie as a back up if an OL vet gets injured but you would have been ok to have a rookie be the back-up if a DL vet goes down.

When we had a DL vet go down, the FO signed Taylor who also went down and is playing at around 60%, yet the back-ups we have have filled in nicely or have done even better than Taylor has played.

Bottom line, and as some have posted, we have had injuries to several of our starters and the back-ups have done more than ok as proven by the 6-2 record.

This FO has started to change when the JGibbs hire was made and continues at this time. The safety that was recently signed was a smart signing and proves that the FO is capable of making some good decisions.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Continuing at this pace would have the Skins finish something like 12-4, which still seems kind of preposterous to me, even as a rabid fan ... I'd LOVE to see it, but I'm not ready to believe in it ..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 3:30 PM

Nate would LOVE to see the Skins lose two more games! Hater! Take your negativity to the Washington Times! Fire this guy already.

Posted by: dcsween | October 29, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

filmchis - indeed, your call for a sense of humor is probably well intended, but some of us are simply tired of the silliness that this campaign has made us put up with.

And once you let that political genie out of the bag anywhere these days, you get people lining up on either side, and it's just really to the point where, I think, most of us would just like it to be over with.

So, with that said - for those of you who have not been lucky enough to do so, go out and vote for the candidate of your choice and be happy that we live in the U.S of A, where our vote counts at least a little.

And let's talk about JLC, the draft, Zorn or Vinne...

Tryon for President, Truth for VP!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

We should all be happy that were not one of the teams relying on rookies to win games.

Posted by: filmchis | October 29, 2008 3:35 PM |

Uh, that would be "rookies to lose games." If you look at the teams that are using rookie receivers to put up big numbers -- Rams, Eagles, Broncos, Seahawks -- the best record among them is 4-3. Skins, using vets, are at 6-2.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama will be redistributing a Steelers SB trophy to Detroit next year. I certainly don't see any other way to get one to Motown.

I think it will be the Super Bowl XL trophy; it was played in Detroit, and the Steelers beat the Seahawks, which makes it kind of like a tainted victory anyway.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

and finally don't tell me having no legitimate backup at center and relying on a rookie or Fabini at both guard spots and an undrafted second year guy at Tackle is good if any of your starters go down is good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 2:48 PM

Nice Jack, but you wanted them to draft a rookie to be ready if/when Daniels went out (based on one of your post from yesterday citing his age and injuries over the past few seasons) but not on OL. Nice...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Yeah I wanted them to draft a rookie on the dline, I also would have liked to use some of that 9 million or so they had in cap space ....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2008 3:27 PM |

Nice long response but you did not touch on the fact that you have a problem having a rookie as a back up if an OL vet gets injured but you would have been ok to have a rookie be the back-up if a DL vet goes down.

When we had a DL vet go down, the FO signed Taylor who also went down and is playing at around 60%, yet the back-ups we have have filled in nicely or have done even better than Taylor has played.

Bottom line, and as some have posted, we have had injuries to several of our starters and the back-ups have done more than ok as proven by the 6-2 record.

This FO has started to change when the JGibbs hire was made and continues at this time. The safety that was recently signed was a smart signing and proves that the FO is capable of making some good decisions.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

filmchis - indeed, your call for a sense of humor is probably well intended, but some of us are simply tired of the silliness that this campaign has made us put up with.

And once you let that political genie out of the bag anywhere these days, you get people lining up on either side, and it's just really to the point where, I think, most of us would just like it to be over with.

So, with that said - for those of you who have not been lucky enough to do so, go out and vote for the candidate of your choice and be happy that we live in the U.S of A, where our vote counts at least a little.

And let's talk about JLC, the draft, Zorn or Vinne...

Tryon for President, Truth for VP!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's hiring as HC came about because others fled from the Spaghetti Gang. Zorn as HC was, to be candid, mystery meat. No one knew.

Zorn was hired to be OC because they wanted a WCO and in order to get a guy, they needed to promote someone. I'd say he got that job on merit. Mora jr, little prick that he is, interviewed for the HC job, but was told he'd get the Seattle job after Holmgren leaves. Mora then said Zorn wouldn't get the OC job in Seattle under him.

That's a pretty harsh statement, that Mora had so little confidence in Zorn. Of course, that says a lot about Mora.

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded. This is just not a WCO. Zorn success is because he is a good leader and game strategist, two things he''d never done before.

So yeah, I'd say there is luck in that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, this blog tends to melt down when the politics is stirred up. Just brings out the worst in a bunch of us.

It's been pretty quiet up here lately on that front, and I want it to stay that way -- goodness knows every other media outlet (interactive or no) provides a steady stream of that stuff.

Also, that wasn't funny.

-Deputy Fife

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone feel like they are in rut? A loop? An infinite circle of stupidity? Some of these comments are dumb the first time, not to mention 2nd, 3rd, 4th....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's hiring as HC came about because others fled from the Spaghetti Gang. Zorn as HC was, to be candid, mystery meat. No one knew.

Zorn was hired to be OC because they wanted a WCO and in order to get a guy, they needed to promote someone. I'd say he got that job on merit. Mora jr, little prick that he is, interviewed for the HC job, but was told he'd get the Seattle job after Holmgren leaves. Mora then said Zorn wouldn't get the OC job in Seattle under him.

That's a pretty harsh statement, that Mora had so little confidence in Zorn. Of course, that says a lot about Mora.

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded. This is just not a WCO. Zorn success is because he is a good leader and game strategist, two things he''d never done before.

So yeah, I'd say there is luck in that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama will be redistributing a Steelers SB trophy to Detroit next year. I certainly don't see any other way to get one to Motown.

I think it will be the Super Bowl XL trophy; it was played in Detroit, and the Steelers beat the Seahawks, which makes it kind of like a tainted victory anyway.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone feel like they are in rut? A loop? An infinite circle of stupidity? Some of these comments are dumb the first time, not to mention 2nd, 3rd, 4th....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's hiring as HC came about because others fled from the Spaghetti Gang. Zorn as HC was, to be candid, mystery meat. No one knew.

Zorn was hired to be OC because they wanted a WCO and in order to get a guy, they needed to promote someone. I'd say he got that job on merit. Mora jr, little prick that he is, interviewed for the HC job, but was told he'd get the Seattle job after Holmgren leaves. Mora then said Zorn wouldn't get the OC job in Seattle under him.

That's a pretty harsh statement, that Mora had so little confidence in Zorn. Of course, that says a lot about Mora.

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded. This is just not a WCO. Zorn success is because he is a good leader and game strategist, two things he''d never done before.

So yeah, I'd say there is luck in that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

how about our penalties??? Casey Rabach, two calls on third down to take two TD's away from us... Then Jon Jansen last week, facemask on third and a false start... We need to end this "habitual penalizing" which the Skins are so Notorious for...

Posted by: DCXNTX | October 29, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's hiring as HC came about because others fled from the Spaghetti Gang. Zorn as HC was, to be candid, mystery meat. No one knew.

Zorn was hired to be OC because they wanted a WCO and in order to get a guy, they needed to promote someone. I'd say he got that job on merit. Mora jr, little prick that he is, interviewed for the HC job, but was told he'd get the Seattle job after Holmgren leaves. Mora then said Zorn wouldn't get the OC job in Seattle under him.

That's a pretty harsh statement, that Mora had so little confidence in Zorn. Of course, that says a lot about Mora.

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded. This is just not a WCO. Zorn success is because he is a good leader and game strategist, two things he''d never done before.

So yeah, I'd say there is luck in that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

how about our penalties??? Casey Rabach, two calls on third down to take two TD's away from us... Then Jon Jansen last week, facemask on third and a false start... We need to end this "habitual penalizing" which the Skins are so Notorious for...

Posted by: DCXNTX | October 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone feel like they are in rut? A loop? An infinite circle of stupidity? Some of these comments are dumb the first time, not to mention 2nd, 3rd, 4th....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:07 PM |

He's succeeded precisely for the reason they hired him. He's a good QB coach, and they needed someone who could finally help JC turn the corner. JC's turned the corner and Zorn has succeeded.

Look, Jack or "Angry Old Man Jack," you took a vacation from the blog and then came back with a new handle, new outlook and a different attitude. What went wrong?

You should probably just take another vacation from the blog, because you're back Jack to what you used to be.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The irony is that the reason they hired Zorn (to run a WCO) are not the reasons he has succeeded.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 29, 2008 4:12 PM |

Zeke, they hired him for multiple reasons and one was because he was known as a great QB coach. They needed someone to help JC get to the next level. He's done that and it's an important reason for his success.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone feel like they are in rut? A loop? An infinite circle of stupidity? Some of these comments are dumb the first time, not to mention 2nd, 3rd, 4th....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Why do we need Betts now that we've got Shaun Alexander? Betts will spend the rest of the year riding the pine.
Posted by: talent_evaluator

TE, I want some of whatever it is you're smokin'...
When Betts is healthy, Alexander will retire again.
I can't believe you think SA could replace Betts. Anybody else think that?

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 29, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

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