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Arch Gone?

Hey there, just got in from a walk with chloe and got a fwe messages that Arch is a Bear. Skins would get a late round pick. Still awaiting some more firm confirmation but looks like this will get done tonight.

Will post more when I get it.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 20, 2007; 7:16 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Demetrius Underwood | March 20, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

First time to post but been an obsessive reader for awhile, however this fantastic news has me so happy I need to share it with everyone else. Im sure Arch Deluxe was a nice guy but not a good fit for the 'Skins. All these controlled moves by the team has me spooked.

Posted by: Mofass79 | March 20, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow for an insider your way behind.

Posted by: kyle | March 20, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck Archy.
And btw, unlike Smoot, your never welcome back.

Posted by: Kenny | March 20, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Literally the worst free agent signing in history. Good thing no one in the Skins "front office" will be held accountable or even talk about it.

Posted by: Andrew | March 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could get traded, to hell.

Posted by: Dan Shanoff | March 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe all we are getting is a 6th Round pick.

I hope this works out for Archuletta (except for the week they play us)as he was treated really badly here.

Posted by: Lisa | March 20, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Glad he got traded but I think we could have got more than a sixth rder. How much of a cap penalty do we get? One spankn for signing him and another for getting next to nothing to get rid of him

Posted by: brut | March 20, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I guess you dont remember the Dieon Sanders year.

Posted by: worst free agent signing ever? | March 20, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

he was a least worth a fourth rder

Posted by: brut | March 20, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta will sign a three-year deal with Chicago. The contract is worth $8.1 million, and it pays $5 million in guaranteed money.

That's the same $5 million that Archuleta was owed by the Redskins in the form of a fully-guaranteed option bonus.

Posted by: ST-1000 | March 20, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, Deion played every game that year. And played at a high level.

I now hate myself for saying that...

Posted by: duck | March 20, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

His signing was a mistake. The draft pick is plenty. He was clearly not working out here, so his trade value was zero. The reason this is great for us, is it should bring some cap relief. For those that think we was "treated badly"......go ask his bank account how badly he was treated. He should not have signed here, just like we should not have asked him to. It was a bad fit and both sides should be accountable for that.

Posted by: John | March 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Worst free agent signing ever: Al Noga in the first year of free agency. Second worse would be Mike Barrow. At least Arch Deluxe was learning how to be a personal punt protector.

Posted by: Icarus | March 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I hated the Deion signing, but at least he played. I'm serious: in the history of NFL free agency, no one has been paid more and done less than AA did here in Washington.

Posted by: Andrew | March 20, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Hah! That leaves the prorated portion of the other $5M bonus (~$4M+) as an up-front cap hit. Another nice move by the worst front office in football. (Even Matt Millen makes Vinny and Danny look bad!)

Posted by: Redskins = Racial Slurs | March 20, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Barrow didn't cost the skins much money and he got hurt. Noga was cheap as well.

AA is the worst. He did NOTHING last year and was the highest paid safety in the league.

Posted by: Andrew | March 20, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

When the smoke finally clears on this one and you have all the facts straight, please give the us the cap hit we took to do it this year and going forward. If the previous poster was right then no wonder why we were working to get so far under the cap. Welcome back Pierson Prioleau!

Posted by: straubjmu25 | March 20, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

at least we saved in the cap...i think?

Posted by: alexander | March 20, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the highest paid safety in league history?

Posted by: Rusty | March 20, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

Please grill Greg Williams, Gibbs, and Cerrato on this. They were the guys who had to have this guy. How bout some accountability? Oh wait, this is the Redskins.

Posted by: Furious Fred | March 20, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The Redskin insider is at it again....

ESPN beat you by about 2 hours, do they have a Redskin insider?

Like I said before, you have a gravy job, congrats, if any of the hard working people like me was 2 hours behind we might get fired.

YOU SUCK AND SHOULD TAKE THE INSIDER LABEL OFF YOUR NAME

Posted by: nonon | March 20, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

nonon, please enjoy a valium on me.

Posted by: Redskins = Racial Slurs | March 20, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Skins took a $7 million hit on Coles in 2005...this is nothing.

Besides, free agency is over. They don't need the space.

And now the highest paid safety in NFL history is no longer on their books after this year.

That alone makes it worth it. The dude should have never been a Redskin.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | March 20, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I didn't really think any team would be dumb enough to take him off our hands.

Posted by: gethanr13 | March 20, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Good riddance and thanks for nothing. Great call man boobs on having to get your guy. I am pretty certain Arch will have a good year for Chicago. Playing around a bunch of talent and will be used in the right way as basically another linebacker.

Skins also signed Omar Stoutmire. He played fairly well from what I recall when given the opportunity 2 years ago.

Posted by: cdubb | March 20, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ESPN2 scroll is saying the Redskins have signed Omar Stoutmire.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | March 20, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

you're right Cliff. here you go...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2806226

Posted by: cdubb | March 20, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

now if can just get Champ Bailey back

Posted by: Old School | March 20, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

This little gem too from Clayton: "The Redskins made another move in the defensive backfield on Tuesday, reaching agreement on a one-year deal with safety Omar Stoutmire. Stoutmire, who played for Washington in 2005, has also played for the Cowboys, Jets, Giants, and Saints in his 10-year NFL career."

Hey nonon, you don't seem to want to be here, and we don't want you here. Screw the valium -- have a power outage. Maybe then you'll get the F out...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 20, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

(Even Matt Millen makes Vinny and Danny look bad!)

Posted by: Redskins = Racial Slurs | March 20, 2007 07:44 PM

wtf? I can't see anyone else in this world taking the Detroit front office over the Skins. How did the Lions do over the last two year?

Posted by: charlie | March 20, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

wasn't there something in the new CBA that you could take up to 2 players and devide their cap hit over two years as if it was after June 1? Maybe since 5 mil is guaranteed by Chicago, he dropped the 5 mil bonus from the Skins and deviding the rest won't be too bad at all.

Posted by: Rich from Salisbury | March 20, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Heee Heee I beat the Redskins Insider I beat the Redskins Insider I beat the Redskins Insider and I never posted anything about obscure bands even on my blog and I never ran out of things to writee

Posted by: John Clayton | March 20, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, the scroll on ESPN News says the Redskins traded Archuletta to the Bears for what is believed to be a 2007 6th round draft pick which can be upgraded to a 5th rounder.
Uh, how is this possible in the 2007 draft? Don't these 'upgrade/conditional' draft pick trades depend upon the playing time of the player?
How will we be able to upgrade if the draft pick offered by the Bears is this April?
Or-- am -- I -- just-- slow-- ?

Posted by: Diesel | March 20, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Wa-hey. Something works out in some degree, this offseason. I'm rather curious as to just how the cap money works out. I'm sure it's downright painful in the end, but that bit of money will at least buy us some space for drafted players, rather than go into the coffers of someone that's got a body of work here about the size of a walnut. The fact we got a draft pick is a bonus, even if it's a late pick.

Goodbye, Archubingas. Leave the hot wife. Take the cannoli.

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 20, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

To sort of quote an obscure band, The Dead Kennadys:

"JLaC haters...F Off!"

Posted by: chris larry | March 20, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand all the Archuleta hate here tonight. The Redskins made him an offer he couldn't refuse and then didn't know what to do with him once he accepted. How's that his fault?

Throughout everything he was a team player. Unlike that skunk, LaVar, he never had a bad thing to say publicly about the 'Skins (although once he signs the Chicago contract it may come out). He did what they asked of him as well as he could.

He was a real professional, a class guy, and -- like many players the 'Skins didn't know what to do with -- his best years are ahead of him.

Posted by: KK | March 20, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Screw Arch-Deluxe! 7th round pick and him eventually off the books is like a dream!

Lisa: How is this a bad move and how were we "mean" to him, this is pro sports not AA support group...gawd...but I agree with you it will haunt us in one game next year...for sure!

Posted by: chris larry | March 20, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

First, nonon, you are a d!ck. JLaC is officially on baby watch and, at 7pm, is correctly with his 2 yr old daughter.

Second, for all the AA bashing, I'm stunned that people are complaining about a low round pick. If he is as sucky as you bashers believe, you should be happy for a pick at all. Personally, I think he would have had a better season this year and have reason to believe there will be more information about what went wrong here that we will learn after his signature is on the Bear's contract.

Pleased about Stoutmire. Surprised, but pleased. His season started off pretty well with the Saints till he got hurt. Not that the Skins have any history with guys in the secondary nearing the decade mark. Should be an interesting -- and legitimate -- competition for the other safety spot: Stoutmire, Prioleau, Fox, and Doughty. My money is on still on Fox. To me, the Stoutmire signing means the odds of LaRon Landry pickup become increasingly slim. [Though Reggie Nelson is not out of the question.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 20, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

So great. My guess is we get another big fullback with the 6th round pick.

Posted by: jeff | March 20, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

nonon why you so angry? U wish you had his job? We all do. Anyways, this is great news!!! I can't believe there was a sucker that gave something up to take him. We had no alternative other than releasing him. Hopefully we won't take a huge hit this year and next year he will be completely off our books. Would it be nice if some other sucker would take Carter and LLoyd. We should give them picks for someone to take these two especially LLoyd.

Posted by: bethesdaboy | March 20, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe people are saying in the same sentence that they are glad he is gone but he is worth more then a 6th rounder. Which is it? Is he valuable or not?

I want to know how it helps or hurts the salary cap.

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | March 20, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

wow!

Posted by: dealer | March 20, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

well gentlemen,
this is relief to save that money. well on to the draft, here is my wish list for picks

trade our 6th for the texans 8th, and get 2nd and 3rd.

trade the eight pick for to denver's 21, to recieve their 1st, second, and third pick


draft
1)te olsen miami
2)de
2)dt
3)db
3)guard
5)te
6)safety
6)qb
7)db

Posted by: marc markham | March 20, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

AA deal is great.. u can't pay someone that kind of money to be a backup and play special teams.. i'm surprised we got draft pick out of it.. i didn't think anyone out there would be willing to take him, let alone give up a draft pick.. the whole thing just didn't turn out right.. and he wasn't going to be able to come back really.. but don't blame him, if i found a sucker to pay me that kind of money, i'd take it too.. here's a lesson for the skins, next time you make someone the highest paid player at his position in the league, make sure he is the best player at his position in the league.. u think ?

Posted by: vpar | March 20, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Glad PorkChop(I forgot who gave him that name, but I love it) Deluxe is gone. No use paying for a player who can't seem to "get" your system, whatever it is. I don't mind the 6th (potential 5th?) round pick so much if Chi-town has absorbed some of the cap hit.

Glad Stoutmire is back. I can't specifically remember how he played, but I don't remember any elaborate cursing streaks involving his name, so he couldn't have been too bad.

I'm mainly glad that the secondary will again be comprised of guys who know Grilliams' system, so they should be able to easily adjust to whatever ways he chooses to tweak it this off-season. I'm also hoping that having all of these guys around who know their roles will free up the Reaper to get back to his bone crushing, ball hawking ways.

Posted by: JustMe | March 20, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or they're trying to undo everything they did last offseason or last two offseason?

Posted by: dealer | March 20, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

With the benefit of hindsight, was this really that far-fetched or unlikely? Using the nfl.com website, the Bears' depth chart had NO strong safeties. On the bears.com website, they have one two year vet with 1 tackle and a rookie with no tackles ... essentially no strong safety there either. The Bears have been working this one for a while. Now they just need to draft a replacement for their jailbird, Tank Johnson. Also, they probably need to add a parole officer to the staff.

Posted by: dcsween | March 20, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

And another thing... once again the laughing stock of the league.. another embarassing free agent blunder by the skins.. when are we ever going to learn ???

Posted by: vpar | March 20, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

All in all, considering I had resigned myself to seeing him in burgundy and gold (or, as I'll remember him most, in a clean white uni), this seems like a win.
Lest anyone be confused, Archi clearly wanted out at least as much as the skins did, and Chicago was willing to take on some cap burden to make the deal work.
I would've given this a 10% chance of working out, but this is a pretty decent deal for all concerned, if the details come out the way I think they will:
1. Skins take the cap hit of the 2006 signing bonus ($4M remaining).
2. Skins don't pay the $5M 2007 "guaranteed" roster bonus.
This means that the "biggest contract for a safety ever" ended up as a 1 yr/ $5M contract. So stop with the "biggest contract" and "worst FA ever" nonsense. If he'd gotten hurt two games into the season and wasn't brought back, no one would be saying that. Admittedly, it took some fairly interesting gyrations to make the deal swallow-able, but it worked out in the end.
3. The skins get a low draft pick... something like #207, just a half dozen seats down from the legendary #199. Not much, but even freeing up a roster spot form someone you want more looks like a win from here.
4. Archi gets his $5M guaranteed... we'll see when (up front or over two years)... for the price, I'd be willing to bet that archi has the ability to earn more if the first two years go well. Right now, he's looking at the potential for $13M over four years since he left the Rams... that shows you how much he wanted out. He'd have had over $10M after 2007 if he stayed here...
5. The Bears fill a position of need with a player they like at a pretty decent price. Remember that safeties don't make nearly as much as CBs... the franchise tag amount for safeties is $4.5M. WE paid a little too much for one year of Archi, they're paying reasonable value for what he's shown over the last two years.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 20, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Stoutmire was the Saints starting strong safety till he went down in week 14. He played 13 games and racked up about 50 something tackles and 2 picks. The previous year (here), he had about 1/4 the number of tackles (and no picks). This will be his 11th season. I'm still thinking he needs to compete to start. The starter the last time the Skins won a game was Vernon Fox, so in theory, its his position to lose. With Prioleau returning from injury and Doughty with an offseason under his belt, I think the Skins are good at strong safety.

Posted by: dcsween | March 20, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I had the same thought, but I think the return of Stoutmire is the Skins' mulligan. The return of Smoot is Smoot's mulligan.

Posted by: dcsween | March 20, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the spin, Cload and Dagger. Any way you look at it, no free agent signee has done less for more.

Posted by: Furios Fred | March 20, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm assuming the trade means the Skins don't have to pay the 5M to AA, that he basically gets the 5M from the Bears instead. And that's why AA's agent agreed to postpone the deadline for the bonus, so the deal could get worked out. AA gets credit for cooperating on this deal. It doesn't look like he loses anything, but it also doesn't look like he gains anything financially either. He just gets to be on the team he wants to be on.

Compare this to L. Coles who wanted out, got out, and got an additional big payday at the same time.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 20, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

bethesdaboy, bucktown, et al.,

nonon, BOOFER and the others who flame blogs like this are people who take great joy in irritating the hell out of people. They have highly disfunctional relationships and just love to destroy people emotionally. They are real losers in life who will end up alone in their old age with nothing to show for their wasted lives. Reacting to these people is their lowly life's goals. That's why our motto here at RI is -

ITA!


(Ignore the a......!)

Posted by: charlie | March 20, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Was it a bad signing? Yes. Was it the worst mistake the NFL has ever seen? Hardly. Nothing about this deal is a problem for me -- are you crying cause Snyder lost $5M on a bad investment? Ain't my money...

It's a huge mistake for Grilliams to explain, but that's between him and St. Joe at this point. And if they let it happen again, then maybe the league can fire Snyder. Other than that, given where I thought we'd be at 5:00 tomorrow, this is an improvement.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 20, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Not that I've moved on after Archuleta already ("forgotten but not gone"), but trying to re-acquaint myself with Stoutmire, it seems like his downfall was a torn ACL. Seems like he had some stud seasons with the Giants, and one great one ('99) with the Jets. I found something about the decision-making when he didn't survive the 53 man cut-down last time. It looks like it came down to him or Jimoh, and Jimoh survived. Here is the link:

http://redskins.scout.com/2/431981.html

Question: in the photo of Jimoh, is he going after Lloyd?

Posted by: dcsween | March 20, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Put the wife and baby to bed, and find this Archibingus trade news. How in the world are some of you bee-yotching that the 'Skins "only" get a 6th rounder for AA. Are you kidding me? I'm shocked it's not the other way around, that we give da Bears a 6th rounder to take him off our hands. Nice guy, HOTTER than hot wife/girlfriend, but completely out of place in this defense. Of course, he'll have 2 sacks and an interception when we play Chicago this year,.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

cload and dagger, I am growing tired of your long comments. Why dont you let JLaC do the reporting and YOU stick to blogging. WE all get your point. Your a know it all!!! What the F is a cload and dagger?

Posted by: gustaff | March 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Just doing some prognosticating here, but me thinks the Redskins will sign someone with a hot girlfriend to the practice squad for posterity... every team needs one of those.

Posted by: Dorf | March 20, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

I agree that Archuletta was not a good fit for the Skins (he will probably play lights out for the Bears - will make the Pro Bowl :-) but I do think we should have gotten more - a 6th Round Pick only?

Yes, he made high salary last season but the Skins could have handled his benching in a much better way - that is why I said he was treated badly.

Posted by: Lisa | March 20, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't like it, don't read it. Easy peasy. I love you, man.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 20, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I would've given this a 10% chance of working out.

What an idiot, there have rumors of this trade for days. Everybody knows lovie smith wanted AA

Posted by: Gustaff | March 20, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I like the move, wish we could have got a better pick but oh well. I really would have liked to swap AA for Mike Brown a true ballhawk but injury prone.
You can't get everything...

Posted by: priceisright | March 20, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Not a chance in hades that we could have gotten better than a 6th round pick, in fact thats a steal!

People knew we hated him, benched him and might cut him so we were hardly bargaining from a position of strength...

Whateves he is gone!

Posted by: chris larry | March 20, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I got a theory on why some may think a 6th round pick was not enough for Archuleta. We as Redskin fans see how our FO treats draft picks. Don't value them at all. The way of doing business in the NFL for every other team is to build through the draft and not trade away picks. Thomas Jones was just traded not for a pick but just to move down about 20 slots in the 2nd round. He was a much more productive NFL player over the past 2 years than Arch. He was a mistake and will now be off the books so let's be glad about that and move on.

Posted by: cdubb | March 20, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

gustaff, give cload and daggar a break man, this blog is for serious redskins talk. He has evry right to speculate and predict future FO moves. If you want to read nothing but stupid little comments than GO TO ANOTHER SITE! I for one enjoy C&D's remarks.

Posted by: brutus | March 20, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

What kind of money did stoutmire get? Hope it is the veteran minimum becuase I dont think he will make much of an impact.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 20, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me but do you guys the skins FO has lost all confidence in its ability to scout potential free agents. Just look at who we sighned this year so far.
Stoutmire- played for us in 05
Wade- played for us last year
Yoder- played for us last year
Smoot- played for us in 04
Fletcher- played for Grilliams in Buf
Everyone we have sighned outside of Ross Tucker have been players that the FO is very familar with.

Posted by: brutus | March 20, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

He was a misused safety. I bet anyone you won't see him in coverage with Chicago. He will be up tight stuffing the run and maybe and I do mean maybe covering a fullback. As far as the pick, I will take it. Hopefully they will be smart and draft the best available or a big run stopper tackle in that spot. I like the idea of trading down. They need to get younger and cheaper and the draft is the ticket. Someone will slip and they can move down and still get one of the three linemen(hopefully Adams)Use the additonal pick to pickup an OL. Sit tight and round out your draft with another DE (someone who could be a 3rd down rusher i.e. Kalu) and another OL. They need help up front and the draft will help. PS Arch was lousy, Williams used him lousy, and finally he wasnt even very good as the personal punt protector-See blocked punt.

Posted by: Dan | March 20, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Even my boy Tucker played for us in the past.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 20, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I hear Jeff George is available and Danny Boy loves him.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 20, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Yea, P.P. is gonna be so much of a better strong safety. He's older, slower, dumber, can't cover, can't tackle, hasn't started a game in over 4 yrs. I can see how everyone is so excited about him coming back from blowing out his knee(which will only make him even slower and weaker). This guy is going to the Pro Bowl!!!

Posted by: slimskins | March 20, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Sh**. Now I gotta watch this guy every Sunday.

(Yep, checking in from the 3rd coast).

Posted by: mrm0to | March 21, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

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