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Arch Redux (I got on a bit of a roll, sorry for the length of this thing)

Hey there. Thanks for the all the feedback on the Arch Deluxe trade. I have read over all the comments and you guys make some great points, but the overall view of those who like the trade seems to be that it saves some cap room down the line, right? So I guess I go back to, tell me again how this helps the actual product on the field, or in any way makes sense from a purely football standpoint? Cause last time I checked, that is what the NFL is about in 31 other cities.

I'm sorry, but when finagling some cap gymnastics becomes grounds for front office kudos, then I give up. I mean at a certain point 8 years into an ownership tenure the team should be making moves to actually get better and not just try to find the least painful ways to flick off the scabs of repeated self-inflicted wounds. You guys should still feel the right to hold them to a competitive standard, you know, and not accept baloney like this as progress. That's a cop out.

Let's go back over this whole debacle, shall we?

Ryan Clark wants an average of $1.5 million a season to re-sign here and Danny tells his agent he'll never get that kind of money. Then when Pittsburgh gives him a 4 year deal worth $1.75 per season, Danny wishes him good luck and doesn't match it.

He then procedures to pay Arch Deluxe double what anyone else in the league would have. (Spoke to a non-Redskins player today who has chatted with AD recently, who says that AD told him, "It's not that I really wanted to come to Washington, but I had to after they made that offer." AD also told this guy flat out he got double what he expected to get from Snyder.).

So AD gets $5.6 million to pay one season, things get rocky and he stinks (again, like everyone else on the D). So, while the staff tries to find ways to reach out to him in the offseason and make him more productive in the system and tailor his role to the revamped defense and in the end might have even used him the way Lovie Smith plans to use him, Snyder gets the itchy finger, doesn't want to give him the other $5 million bonus and tries to unload him.

And he does so, getting just a sixth round pick back. So the owner and team president in essence trade Ryan Clark and Adam Archuleta - two players with proven NFL starting ability - for the second-to-last pick in the sixth round of the 2007 draft. Yeah, that's pure genius.

And, looking at the past history of sixth-round picks in these parts, we'll see if this young man ends up making a mark of any sort in the NFL. (PS- that Duckett deal was awesome. B-Lloyd was a steal. Trading for Brunell instead of waiting for him to be cut was shrewd and throwing in an extra pick in the Portis-Bailey trade, that too).

So, in 2007, Ryan Clark counts $1.95 million on Pittsburgh's cap.

Arch Deluxe counts $4 million on Washington's cap.

Arch Deluxe counts probably $1.6 million on Chicago's cap.

Yeah, that makes total sense. Now I get it. Round of milkshakes at Johnny Rocket's for everyone and a ticket to a free Scientology lecture from Tom Cruise this afternoon at Redskins Park!

Okay, but the Skins did a great thing by not playing AD that $5 million and getting Chicago to, right? They get so much cap savings, right?

Well, not so fast. They could have kept AD at a cap hit of $2.4 this year and $3.4 next year - hardly prohibitive figures even for a No, 3 safety given the makeup of this team and the ballooning cap. Now, 2009, with his $4 million base salary was always going to be cut-bait time anyway. So, you have a chance to rebuild his trade value this season (not a great option given the cap hit it would trigger), or at least get something out of him for two more seasons without hurting your cap hurt at all. Then you could cut him un June 2009, spread the $7 million hit over two years and face like a $1 million hit in 2009 and like a $6 million hit in 2010.

Now, I'm no Einstein, but you try to convince me that taking a $4 dead cap hit in 2007 against a $109 million cap makes more sense than possibly getting a few sacks and big plays from AD over two years with this guy as a key reserve, then taking a $6 million hit in 2010 against what will probably be a $130 million cap? And if, lest I dare to dream the impossible dream, the team actually strings together two half-decent seasons in between, who amongst you will be crying about Archuleta's 2010 dead-cap hit against a massive salary cap?

And you mean to tell me there is no way they could have squeezed anything productive out of this guy - who if nothing else has obvious athletic talent and a willingness to be a human missile - over that span? He can't even do what Matt Bowen did here a few years back if paired with better cover corners? People in that building who know more about football certainly think so.

Chicago, with a group of super astute scouts and front office types thinks Arch Deluxe can definitely contribute and be a player and is willing to pick up the same $5 million option that Danny won't pick up. And I'm supposed to believe the Skins are smarter than they are? And this had nothing to with the fact that The Danny just didn't want to cut a check to a player he had soured on (LaVar who?)?

I'm not as young and stupid as my goofy mugshot in the corner would lead you to believe. That ain't flying with me.

This is typical knee-jerk stuff by Snyder/Gibbs. Little bit of turbulence with a player? Ship 'em out, take the cap hit.

The other argument in the blog comments that seemed to crop up, was, "Well, the Skins couldn't whack AD and Lloyd in the same season and take the cap hits, so they had to do something?" And to that I ask you yet again, what the hell does that have to do with football? That's just more bad contracts and more salary cap BS. You guys are all along for this sick joyride the owner takes you on, as he feeds his need for action. It's gotten so bad that you've forgotten what the offseason should really be about.

And if all of their number crunching amounts to them being "great cap managers" as some would have you believe, again, I'm not buying it. They make mistakes then try to buy their way back out of them with the same old stuff. Sorry, I'm not tipping my cap - excuse the pun - to them for that. It's closer to insane than astute.

Had your owner, who is so willing to outspend anyone else to field a winner, as I always hear, simply matched Antonio Pierce's deal back in 2004, and just matched Ryan Clark's deal in 2005, just think, your front office would have had plenty of cap space and actually been positioned to address other real needs the past few years, most notably an aging and unproductive defensive line.

The Fletcher and Arch Deluxe deals would have never happened. Keep Fred Smoot the first time, and all of a sudden you don't need to draft a corner 9th overall in 2005, when this Merriman kid from Maryland was on the board (I heard he actually gets to the quarterback sometimes).

Nah, they're so busy trying to un-do all the screw ups that unloading Archuleta for a sixth round pick elicits screams of joy from the fanbase.

But wait a minute, why couldn't they just keep AP in the first place? Hmm, that $9 million cap hit in the Coles trade surely had nothing to do with it, right? And why did Coles have to go ASAP? Oh yeah, because he dared to speak the truth when asked about the state of the offense in an exit interview. Shame on him. He should have learned long ago that the way to keep getting paid around here is to keep telling the powers that be what they want to hear (Dale Lindsey and LaVar never learned that lesson, either).

And please, don't try to pin this stuff on the coaches. Go back and read the stories Howard and I did at the end of the season. Ain't no way Gregg Williams, Al Saunders or anyone not named Joe, Dan, or, gasp, Vinny, is saying a word. They take part in personnel meetings along with the scouts, make their case for players when asked to and then sit on the other side of the building while Dan and Joe wheel and deal in from the owner's office.

And, no, just like you or I could not just burst into our boss's office and demand that a certain co-worker be kept and try to dictate to the owner how much to spend on valuable job resources, neither can any coach do that at Redskins Park. That's not how it works. It's Dan and Joe and cap guy Eric Schaffer doing all of the negotiating and budgeting, and no one else has a clue what's going on.

They're sitting back and waiting to see what happens ... No different than you do; no different than I do. (Like I wrote at the time, i thought it was short-sighted and over-the-top for the defensive staff to bury AD on the bench liek they did rather than try to rebuild his confidence sooner. Not absolving them of guilt in the entire thing, or the player himself, it's just that to give up on him entirely after 7 starts, as Gibbs/Snyder have is even more myopic, in my opinion).

Then, when the team flunks another season I hear all this stuff about how they should fire the coaches and scouts. No, silly, fire the owner. The buck starts and stops there. Ain't nothing really going to change until he changes it. Ninety-nine percent of the people in the building are held prisoner to the mistakes of two people (maybe 2 ½ depending for your feelings on Uncle Junior).

So I'll leave you with this: The Snyder is the king of all businessmen, and I would be the first to admit that I have made maybe one savvy stock trade in my entire life (did okay with ebay a few years back but have gotten hammered on everything else). But even I know that it makes no sense to buy high and sell low, and this Archuleta deal is the textbook example of that axiom.

I just can't see it any other way.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 21, 2007; 2:32 PM ET
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Posted by: 1st | March 21, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Way to kill my enthusiasm for the upcoming season. I almost want to buy Orioles season tickets now.

Posted by: etrod | March 21, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Let's see you kids try to spin that one!

Posted by: Ouch | March 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. La Canfora,

I agree with your statements wholeheartedly except for one point.

From a purely on-the-field football standpoint, would keeping Arch really be a good thing? He proved that he could not succeed at all in our defensive system and is a liability pretty much everywhere on the field.

So, would keeping him on the team to be a backup and a special teamer be worth it on the field, when they could go out and use his roster spot on someone that can help this defense?(whoever it may be)

However, this is quite clearly a gaffe by our personnel men, Gibbs and Snyder for not keeping around certain players (AP, Clark) and going for the big splash.

Posted by: Larry | March 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JLa- There was a sideline shot in one game towards the end of last season. Reaper goes and sits on the bench. Arch comes over and sits down next to him. Reaper immediately gets up and walks away. Saw that said to myself Arch is gone for sure. If the players and coaches think he was the source for the espn article, then despite all the stupidity you accurately cite above, he does need to be gone.

Posted by: MikeP | March 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you seem a little more passionate about this than you usually are about our favorite dysfunctional franchise!

Anyway, I don't think many of us are saying this was a "good" move (we're saying it stopped the bleeding in a horrible self-made situation). I also think we're almost all in agreement the problem lies primarily with Joe and the Danny, even if Gregg is too stubborn to adapt to talented players.

In short, I think we all agree with you.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | March 21, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

JLC - all valid points but the 1st post was do you think trading Archuleta was a good move? Seemed to be to me and most others since he did not fit into the defense. Keeping him is compounding a mistake already made. If you are only going to use him as an extra linebacker with no coverage responsibilities, we might as well trot out Washington, LFB, RockyMac and Lemar all at the same time.

Now this post is taking into account everything. Yo'll get no arguments here about the mulitple stupid moves we have made over the last few years. Hindsight is 20/20. Let's move on.

Posted by: cdubb | March 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense from a purely football standpoint by opening up a roster spot for a safety who might actually play on defense. I've repeatedly criticized the Skins and how they conduct business, but I have no problem with this move. Sure, it would have been nice to get more than a 6, but I figured they would cut him, either this year or next, so maybe they can strike a bit of gold for once in the later rounds. One can always hope.

Posted by: ChrisB | March 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

JLC - What do you expect from Redskin fans? haha. The last 8 years have been miserable for us...grousing about an owner and ripping a player who clearly didn't want to play here makes us feel better. Money/cap aside, getting rid of AD brings us a sense of optimism. For what it's worth...

Point(s) well taken though Jason.

Posted by: Chris | March 21, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason- Great points. In fact, much of what you said about the front office is why I'm not renewing my season tickets. I just can't give little danny any more of my money ( the extra $1,750 will be much better spent on the baby anyway).

We've hollered ad nauseum up here for a real GM. Without one, we're stuck with this dysfunction. Now, it's never been answered publicly, but we all seem to assume Arch was "Deep Cover". If Gibbs and danny think he was, then of course they were going to get rid of him. That's how they roll.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

the insane money issues aside.. this team has a serious talent evaluation problem.. that what needs correcting.. because if the player actually was as good as the vinny and gang evaluated him to be (pro bowler level), to justify that kind of money and he was actually that good, we wouldn't be here at 5-11 pulling our hair out !! Fix that problem and we'll be fine..

Posted by: vpar | March 21, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Im with JLaC on this one. They should have tried to work with Arch for one more year to AT LEAST try to raise his trade value. The only way the redskins come out on top in this deal is if Arch is a total bust in the windy city.

Posted by: Brutus | March 21, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is the majority of Skins fans simply did not like the Archuleta signing in the FIRST PLACE and are glad to see him - and his contract - gone.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | March 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Watch Archuleta end up in the Pro-Bowl next year.

Posted by: 761-091 | March 21, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

After reading your entire post it's amazing they managed to win even 5 games last season. The organization has been nothing short of awful, that's not even a debate. And to think Gibbs has been a part of it the last 3 years makes it that much more painful. Unfortunately, we can't fire Snyder. Maybe, just maybe, they're finally learning from past mistakes and doing things a little differently, as this year's free agency has showed - not going out and spending gobs of money on other teams washed up trash. I'd love to see them trade the 6th pick for additional picks. Now that would be the start of something new.

Posted by: ChrisB | March 21, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"The team should be making moves to actually get better and not just try to find the least painful ways to flick off the scabs of repeated self-inflicted wounds."

I love that quote! The image it conjures up is so vivid, and so absolutely true of the Skins over the past decade or so.

Posted by: Alan | March 21, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder what the he!!the "braintrust" are going to do with the sixth pick? Maybe the Danny will trade it back to Chicago for Arch Deluxe and give Courtney Brown a $10 million signing bonus to sit on injured reserve. This just out on the web from the AP,"Redskins sign Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller as Director's of College and Professional Scouting, respectively." I don't know about you, but this is a marked improvement over Vinny "You Want Fries With That" Cerrato!!!!!!!

Posted by: MG in Georgia | March 21, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse


JLaC - very well said sweetie


Posted by: SallieMae | March 21, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse


Does this type of writing get you in any trouble at Redskins Park? Because surely the Mighty Midget doesn't like when people talk bad about him. Your reporting is great, and I'd hate to see what happens if the Post has to put a Yes man at the Park. (Just like they did with Frank Herzog)

Love the Job you do, and agree with you

Posted by: Lee | March 21, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You are exactly-100% correct, Jason. Until they hired a strong GM-like wilbon has been saying- the Redskins are going nowhere.

Posted by: the ONE | March 21, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You are exactly-100% correct, Jason. Until they hired a strong GM-like wilbon has been saying- the Redskins are going nowhere.

Posted by: the ONE | March 21, 2007 03:09 PM

I don't think anyone on this blog would disagree.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | March 21, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Nice post JLC. Monday morning quarterbacking is sure easy isn't it? It's east to say now if they did such and such back then down the road they wouldn't have had to do that, but you can't predict the future. I think Gibbs is really just trying to do what's best for the team, hopefully they get it right this time!

Posted by: Sponger | March 21, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I have this strange feeling that the Arch is going to explode into some massive stud at Chicago....Don't know why but just a feeling.

Posted by: Mr.DLP | March 21, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Why don't you tell us what you really think!!!

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | March 21, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

From a solely football perspective, this move is positive. Arch was a disaster in William's scheme, which has proven over the years that it works. Why tweak the scheme for a player that may not even be a useful reserve? His systems have never had safeties playing as extra linebackers, and never will. It is more advantageous to bring in a cheaper safety that fits the scheme and get rid of him. Don't forget that chemistry is a HUGE part of football, and Arch just did not seem to fit in, for whatever reason. You cannot force him to fit, no matter how hard the coaches want to try.

Your post is basically a summary of all of the personnel moves gone awry since Danny took over, and does not make much of an argument for why the move was bad football-wise. Your personal dislike and bias against Dan Snyder shows and although many of us share your sentiments, we are actually Redskins fans and thus feel the need to look at things optimistically, because, alas, that is the only way for us. You wouldn't really understand. I had to make sure I was reading you and not Peter King or Len Pasquarelli or the various assortments of Skins haters in the media.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The front office is clearly a disaster but keeping Arch doesn't bring back Ryan Clark either. The key here is they're clearing out bad locker room presences and maybe openng up time for younger players. The acquisition of expensive players made a *little* sense when the team thought it was close to a superbowl. It's positive to me that the team is coming to terms with reality. The skins remind me of another dismal team with front office problems, the New York Knicks, which have only started to realize that they need to buy out/trade players who don't fit in to the team 2 years from now, whether or not the actual $ really matters to them (see Mo Taylor, Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis would have been next if not for injuries). Giving more PT to younger players there has increased wins and given fans a reason to be hopeful about the future. I would love to see the Skins clean house, stockpile draft picks, keep developing younger, less expensive players and get enough cap room to add a few key vets when they truly are close to the SB.

Posted by: beat cal | March 21, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I agree with you that the Redskins' cap went up short term, but after 2007 Arch would count $0 against their cap. Had the contract stayed in place, he would have counted 3.8, 5.8, 7.8, 7.8 and 5.3 mil against the cap in 2008-2012. It is a significant cap reliefand Redskins could potentially use this cap space to sign one or more starters.

Posted by: M | March 21, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Jason, agree with your points about the stupid mistakes JG and DS have made. We NEED a GM plain and simple.

Posted by: wes | March 21, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse


That was a piece of art. Well done, sir. I hope Napolean and his bug-eyed friend, as well as our Space Cowboy Coach, all read that and crap themselves. Oh wait, they actually think that what they're doing is "the right way to go about things UP HERE". "We've got a plan.. don't worry", right Vinny. WRONG. This team is, and has been, in a state of chaos for years. It's disgusting and embarrassing.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 21, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse


After having read and enjoyed your blogs for sometime, it seems like now something may have happened that is causing you to take the Redskins moves personally. I don't think you will find anyone that doesn't think the Skins have made a ton of bad moves over the past few years as you point out repeatedly and forcefully. However, this blog entry seems much more bitter than your normally fairly objective yet contstructively critical writings.

If you are having a bad day, I, as the proud pops of a 2 year old daughter with another on the way shortly, suggest you go have some fun with your daughter, remember that you have a very faithful audience and try not to worry too much about a (near) billionaire's bonehead moves with his favorite toy.

Posted by: Skinsville | March 21, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This is your worst effort yet. Why do you continue to put yourself and this fan base through all the aggravation with your bitter ranting? Go find another team to cover, you whiny jerk. Newsflash - a beat writer's job is not to constantly trash the team he is supposed to be covering. There is legitimate criticism and there is smug arrogance. You've crossed the line yet again. Not even the local press in towns like Arizona or Cleveland is as negative as this, and those franchises are simply abysmal.

Obviously the team has made mistakes. But there is no need to attack with such venomous glee. You need to remember that the paper who buy your papare and read this garbage are FANS. Sorry you don't share our love for the Redskins. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Posted by: SubG | March 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, JLC... bringing the venom! I like the passion and agree with a lot of what you say. I think you have voiced the frustrations that Skins fans should have, but can't seem to hold onto.

I truly think the answer is a GM, as do a lot of people on this board (and as do you). But what, as a fan, can I do in the meantime? I will not quit the Redskins, and I can't quit the coach and owner without doing just that. So where does that leave me? I try to look for silver linings and sunny horizons wherever I can find them.

I have hopes that the Skins have turned a corner (a "I don't need directions. I know where I am" foreshadowing statement for sure) when I see only one big FA signing, some house cleaning and a group of FA minimum signings. I like that we are potentially looking to trade down, and gathering some more draft picks in the process.

I am fanatical... I will readily admit that. I love the Skins and cannot quit them. No matter how many times they throw me down the stairs, punch me in the eye or pull out my hair. I will always remain faithful... I think I need counseling.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"...whiny jerk....smug arrogance....."

Posted by: SubG | March 21, 2007 03:28 PM

Double smack to the back of your damn head with the hammer.

Posted by: not jm220 | March 21, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think Jason is spot on. It's a summary of every bad personnel move the Skins have made, and will continue to make until Snyder declares Vinnie surplus to requirements (I like the Brits too) and brings in a strong GM. And, probably most importantly, Snyder needs to act like a fan, and leave football decisions to the football people. I think it's admirable that he wants to give the coaches anything they want; but the moves they've made over the years shows they're only thinking "right now" instead of building for the future at the same time as the present.

Joe Gibbs is a great coach. But he did his best work with teams that he and a strong GM -- Beatherd and Casserly -- built together.

Posted by: Deanna | March 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Everyone agrees with you?

First of all, as much as Gibbs is ready to stand and take the blame for things, he must be hearing the brain trust around him. Don't blame the other coaches or Vinny? Who are you protecting? If their voices aren't heard then why are they there? Someone needs to do a testes check in that building. Forget the theories and look at the facts you're dancing around. They wanted the guy out and Chicago gave them an out. Bravo for removing a square peg that Greg couldn't coach. A smart deal got them off easy.

They will eventually get it right when the chemistry is there: on the roster and in the front office.

Posted by: Lurker | March 21, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse


If I gather your point is that it was a mistake but they should suck it up and live with the mistake and try to make the best of it as opposed to getting rid of the mistake in the least painful way possible. I get the point. I disagree. I agree that our FO has made a mess of things but for them to suck it up and live with their mistakes as opposed to cut them loose -- would seem like a weird exercise in self punishment by the team. If I remember correctly Arculetta was the highest paid safety in the league, he's pushing 30, had a down year, he and his agent admit he's a one dimensional safety who can just play the run. And the Bears were willing to take him off our hands and the big contract to boot. We did well to get rid of him. I don't recall reading on your blog about a bidding war for him I think there is an obvious reason for that.

Posted by: Mikek | March 21, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Damn, J-La! Those foot massages for the wife getting to be too much? Just sayin' cause I've got a 6 and 2 year old....

We all know the Skins suck and have for a long time, we just like to live in a fantasy world where cutting dead weight at an exorbinant price is a great move. Oh well, we shall see what the future brings. I have always said that I think we are cursed until somehow we get a new owner.....

Anyhoo, hope things are going smoothly at home, and we are wishing for a healthy and happy new member to the Toucanfora family. Those are the things in life that really matter anyway.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | March 21, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse


Jason you and I agreed awhile back that they Danny/Joe have dug in their heels to prove "what we do here works" to all media and assorted doubters from here to doubt there is a compounding effect vs the cap for each misstep that has occured that hinders their ability to get the next move correct.that starts with first evaluating their own and paying them early before they get a chance to test the market, that's the point you get the "hometown Discount" and the player feels wanted, builds loyalty and chemistry.Betts is a move in that direction, dockery/wade good value decision.never thought we would bring back guys after they left town (thought they would be blacklisted) smoot good move , I liked Omar s the year he was here, good role player.I guess completely asking the owner to become say Bob Kraft is pissing in the wind, But i do see somethings that indicate to me that there are subtle changes and more what I call team building moves.

Just talking big picture, my faith was restored when the Danny got Joe to comeback, because I knew we would have at least 5yrs of coaching continuity. Even though Joe loves FA/veterans he is learning the value of selection and fit (Joe is slow but not stupid)

The league is razor thin (difference between Bad to pretty good teams)QB play is goes a long long way in saying where you end up. Jason Campell is the main charactor in this play. How well he does or poorly he does over next couple of seasons largely will determine our fate.

We have the elements in place to be a team than can compete and get on the right track. again big picture makes boring blog and the minute details of deals done, not done, moves made, could and shoulda make is the life of this great debate. but here is how i see it

we are well coached
we run the ball
we have and will stop the run
we don't turn it over much
we play solid special teams and our coach makes that an emphasis.

That my friends is a forumla for winning more games than you lose. I realize I am running on here, but Jason Campell and Joe gibbs give us the stabilty that we lacked since snyder took over Good young QB/ great coach.

Don't call me a homer it's not a guareente, Joe and Jason can still fail and if they do I will be the first one here to say our situation is hopeless and we are doomed to be the punchline in all football related jokes.

Posted by: Old School | March 21, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I feel the same way as Bucktown in that as a true fan, you just have to look for silver lining in every decision made by the team you love. I also agree with some other posters that this is very different from blogs you have posted in the past. It seems very personal and targeted directly at Dan Snyder for the first time. I have never posted before but had to say something after such an anomoly from you.

As for a GM, there is no way that will happen with Snyder here. What self-respecting GM would want to work for him? As fans, we have to realize that it will be Snyder calling the shots until he sells or expires, and with that comes the faint hope that he is learning and beginning to see the light.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse


That, my friend, was awesome. Very accurate. Very True. Very Sad.

Posted by: TH | March 21, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Mighty Mite has always pictured himself holding the Lombardi Trophy with Gibbs at one side and Vinny I guess at the other, just like the Squire did when he was a kid growing up. You can't duplicate success in that manner (with a check book). I too am a die hard fan who has been dying hard the past 10 years, and just wish the skins would look like they are moving forward instead of finding a way to spend fans money to no end.

As for those who think JLC is making it personal, I think he's acting like a frustrated fan, just like the rest of us.

Posted by: Lee | March 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

At least until the regular season kicks off, right?????

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | March 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason, my question is one that's been coming up:

How can you show your face at Redskin's Park? How would Joe ever answer your questions, ever again? I'm not sure people are so used to having reporters be so outspoken in their personal critique about them as you are (well, unless you work for the White House, but Redskins' Park is a little different)

Posted by: Icarus | March 21, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You pretty well nailed it JLC. The trade may have made sense based upon the situation they got themselves in but the overall methods at Redskin Park are so dysfunctional that as long as they're jumping through hoops to undo their mistakes they'll keep missing out on other areas of need. One step forward two steps back - Redskin creed.

Posted by: skinswest | March 21, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You act as though any playing time Arch got over the next two seasons would be a plus. I don't remember any big positive plays out of the guy from last season, but I sure remember the negative plays that got the guy benched. Those plays sure didn't help the Redskins become a better football team. As for equating him with Patrick and Rod, you act as if we were the team that drafted him in the first round. We signed him in FA so while that may have been a mistake we didn't spend a draft pick on him like we did with Patrick and Rod. I agree the Redskins made a mistake picking him up, but I don't think trading him was a mistake.

Posted by: anon | March 21, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

sounds like someone lost a source.

Posted by: skeptic | March 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse


Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you on most fronts, and I can see your point on Arch. You probably know a good answer to this, which is the only rationale I can come up with for the pure dump. Was he a chemistry issue in the locker room? Is there any truth to him being the leak of that story? I just assumed once the coaching staff assumed it was him, that he was done here. If you have to worry that a player is airing dirty laundry in the media, why would you want to say anything around him again?

I hate to make the comparison, but the only other player I can think of to trash coaches to the media is a certain WR out west.

Posted by: allstar | March 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

But why is JLC so mad?

I'll tell you why.

It's because he wrote all offseason about SPRINGS being gone, not Archuleta.

It was only when the 'Skins and Arch delayed the deadline that he started "monitoring" the potential of an Archuleta deal.

And then it goes down without him even knowing it.

He was clearly blindsided by this.

So we're seeing reporter's anger here.

Posted by: Howard Kurtz | March 21, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

could not of said better myself, well done.
Just a question real quick ru going to be on the wp live show?

Posted by: jamie | March 21, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The trade doesn't make football sense because signing him in the first place didn't make sense for the team based on the product on the field this last season, but hindsight is 20/20, they didn't go in expecting this. The trade is basically a salvage of what's left of a bad experiment or a failed project. They pay him around four or five million to hit the road for good and they get another o-line project pick in this years draft, which is more than they were going to get out of Arch Deluxe based on how the season ended last year. Should they given him a chance, maybe, but they didn't want to for whatever reason and this was the best they could do for themselves given what they decided to do regarding Arch.

Posted by: Taidg | March 21, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Geez dude, that was just a little over the top, don't you think?

The fanbase is glad that a bad football player is off our roster, his contract is gone, and we got a semi-worthless draft pick. Do you really need to rip us?

Am I pissed at all the stupid moves we've made over the years? Pretty much.

Am I dumbfounded by our lack of talent evaluation? Yes.

But sometimes you have to cut your losses. You can't constantly fight old battles.

Arch can't cover people, does not mesh with the other guys in our secondary, and (as far as I know) talked a mess of smack on us to tom friend.

So I'm glad he's gone. Period.

And don't give me "he could have been Matt Bowen!"

Matt Bowen was no good either.

And how can you say it's fine to pay your 3rd string safety 3 million dollars??? Especially when we're not sure we can keep Wynn and Daniels at that number.


Go write another fawning Ozzie Newsome piece.

Posted by: LincolnParker | March 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to admit your mistake and move on. That is what the Skins are doing. Yes we will remember the AD signing as a total debacle, up there with the Desmond Howard pick, but that does not mean we have to wallow in our mistake for another season, especially since AD went to the media like a crybaby.

Posted by: milehighskins | March 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I hate the offseason.

Posted by: bbtp89854726 | March 21, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Well then, now that we have that settled, can someone PLEASE tell me why Jarvis Hayes gets 1 second of playing time. He is absolutley the most gawd awful player i have seen in recent memory, just horrible.

Posted by: Just Me | March 21, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

...whew....some reasonable minds showing up...

Thanks for calling this garbage out.

Posted by: Lurker | March 21, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

FFS ... I don't see it as Jason being angry because he's giving his wife too many foot massages these days. Or being personally angry at someone at Redskins Park. He's objective. He's also not a Redskins fan (and shouldn't be, in this capacity). I think he's right on.

Posted by: Deanna | March 21, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hindsight sure is fun, isn't it? Look, certain points you make are valid. But you make a big assumption in keeping him: we actually can raise his trade value, implying we can put him in situations to succeed. Wait, I'm sorry, there are personal grudges all around and we're not going to play someone if we don't like him (can't believe you brought up Lavar - getting him to pay us BACK money and then see his lack of production lead to likely the end of his career in NY was a BAD move by us? Seriously?). If he could have been put in situations to succeed in our system, I'm certain he wuold have been. He couldn't - Williams asks too much of his safeties in terms of coverage, and thus failed. It was bad scouting. Guess what? It happens with 31 other teams in the league too. It happens more often than we'd like to admit around here, but it isn't organization specific, either. Getting rid of his salary over the next few years COULD (not will, but could) free up space to extend Cooley. Would that be so bad? Essentially, we're trading a special teamer for a 6th rouder. The "Buy high, sell low" model you quote isn't great, but it's better than nothing...which is likely what we would have gotten for him, plus a big dead cap hit, when he would have been cut, next year, after not playing and not showing signs of improvement. Hell, you even mentioned he didn't want to be here in the first place....why keep someone like that when you can get a 6th and long-term cap relief for him?

BTW - not big on your point with Coles either. Snyder did act a bit petulant with the TV threat there, but Coles wanted out because he felt like he wasn't utilized enough. We got Moss. I really, REALLY don't think that trade worked out too poorly for us.

Posted by: Jay | March 21, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

So Jason wants the team to keep Archuleta at that price just so the guy can "be Matt Bowen" for them?????

Posted by: Leon | March 21, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Top notch Jason, Top Notch!

I think you successfully and aptly captured the collective spirit of so many of us.

As it has been asked, how do you sidle around the Park, and not constantly look over your shoulder for the beat down.

Word has it (unsubstantiated b.s.), Vinny can now bench 225 25X, in case he is asked to do some real henchman work.

Not worried about you though, something tells me after reading this thread, your adrenal glands are working just fine.

Nice work, and f all the critics.

Posted by: k Squared | March 21, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I nominate JLaC the Redskin Insider REAPER. Damn, J you don't need any exhibits to go w/ that indictment! I say the Skins are GUILTY!
I think the Squire would agree...

Posted by: priceisright | March 21, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

...Nice work, and f all the critics.

Posted by: k Squared | March 21, 2007 03:59 PM

I imagine that is what the FO is saying about Jason. Not productive at either end.

I think the "critic" sentiment is really an observation that this was out of character for Jason and we wanted to know if there was a particular reason for it.

Posted by: Skinsville | March 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like "Arch Deluxe" did not want to have to work for or even interact with the defensive coaching staff. In that regard he joins such higher profile notables like Champ Bailey and LaVar Arrington,. Heck it would be nice to still have the Denver Broncos
starting defensive end Kenard Lang. Yet another 1st round draft pick lost. This never used to happen.

It does look to me like Gibbs has finally convinced Snyder to try things his way. Instead of going hog wild over free agents. Have to wonder how long Gibbs will stay under these conditions? If not for the fans ... not long I'm afraid? I believe in Joe, and even his so-called antiquated offensive mind-set. I think he could get this team to more than one superbowl.

Snyder makes a good .com marketing and sales type. But a really lousy general manager. Vinny seems average. Casserly was better with the 'Skins, not so with Houston. Beathard's best days were also with the 'Skins. Guess there is such a thing as chemistry, synergy with the coaching and management ranks? Perhaps that is what is missing now?

Posted by: P. | March 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Even if Jason has nothing personal against Snyder or someone else at the top, he should be aware that posting something like this is likely to personally offend diehard Skins fans. Read between the lines and it is basically a long-winded criticism of us diehards that are trying to see the positive in something that most would look at as a negative. It seems like angering or taking shots at the fan base that reads the blog is not in the best interests of keeping this thing running.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Was this really JLaC who wrote this article???? It sounds way too angry and one-sided to be him??? But anyways, JLaC, why are you still the beat reporter for the skins; you should definitely be in the opinion section, like wilbon or somebody. your opinions are very interesting and well-thought out. I just don't appreciate the Tony Snow-esque way you talk to the layman fans who were just happy to see Adam "ESPN snitcher" Archuleta go. I mean, even the Bolsheviks used the Czar as a scapegoat...and look how the USSR turned out!! Oh wait, damn, never mind...carry on.

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | March 21, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny can now bench 225 25X"

Uncle Junior for Personal Punt Protector

Posted by: PPP | March 21, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse


Amen!! Well said. Any change that maybe, just maybe we can get a "REAL GM", you know... A GM who understands how to wheel and deal and understands how to build a team in today's NFL? All these draft picks thrown away and wasted money on free agents for what? This highest priced ticket in the NFL and records of 6-10, 11-7, and 5-11. Wow, something isn't working....

Posted by: 229 | March 21, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Overall, good article and good blog today, I think.

One question from JLC in particular jumps out at me:

"Does this trade - a move, like all with the Redskins is purely the domain of Coach Joe and The Snyder - have more to do with non-football issues than what would purely make the most sense from a depth and roster standpoint? Smells that way to me."

In today's NFL, the line between football and non-football issues is thin and shrinking. Example: the Bengals entire team getting arrested (only a slight exaggeration, unfortunately). New commish Roger Goodell definitely sees this as a football related issue; so do the Bengals coaching staff, I guarantee. Those sorts of things can affect the how teams gell over a season in terms of overall chemistry. The point?

AD himself represented a whole range of "non-football issues" that affected the relationships between the coaching staff and the players. He clearly did not fit here, and for most (not all) of the year took it like a professional. However, even if he did not leak information for the Tom Friend ESPN story (which many in the org think he did), he DID publicly call out the defensive coaching staff at the end of the 2006 season by saying they had not been speaking with him. Right or wrong, that seemed to solidify the preception that he liked to talk to the media about team related matters that should stay behind closed doors. Maybe the team feared that this sort of thing would continue if he stayed around, and end up affecting the whole team. Chemistry, baby.

Sometimes, non-football issues can easily translate to poor performance on the football field in the NFL. I think that's the reason the 'skins org made this move, with an eye towards starting next season with a cleaner slate, and maybe repairing relationships between coaches and players (at least on the defensive side of the ball).

Intangibles and coach-player chemistry led to this move.

Posted by: Rennypolis | March 21, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a football move that happens to actually help us in the long run on the cap. (I agree that many of our previous moves have been horrible.)

Arch was horrible, couldn't cover, couldn't stop the run (his "specialty"), couldn't play special teams, couldn't keep his mouth shut to ESPN.

It was Arch that nearly cost us the Dallas game by giving up that huge completion to Jason Witten (thank you Troy Vincent, Arch's temporary replacement, for the blocked FG). Arch was a benchwarmer from day one when double G realized that he was a horrible fit for this team. Unfortunately for us, Pierson Prileau was blindsided by Casper the ghost on the opening day kickoff and Arch had to come in.

I'm just glad we don't have to read anymore Post articles exhaulting Arch for his excellent workouts, because apparently he forgot to train how to back up.

So, as I said at the top of this post, this is a good football move that just so happens to save us cap money in the long run.

Posted by: Section 104 | March 21, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Even if Jason has nothing personal against Snyder or someone else at the top, he should be aware that posting something like this is likely to personally offend diehard Skins fans. Read between the lines and it is basically a long-winded criticism of us diehards that are trying to see the positive in something that most would look at as a negative. It seems like angering or taking shots at the fan base that reads the blog is not in the best interests of keeping this thing running.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 04:03 PM

I've been a diehard Redskins fan since 1973. I'm not so blinkered in my views, however, to see the team as I'd like them to be. There have been some major, major screwups since Snyder took over. Let's be honest about them; hopefully then the root cause can be fixed and we can move on. But even that's probably a pipe dream.

Posted by: Deanna | March 21, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason, PLEASE! We simply cannot keep rehashing the Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark thing! I hated it as much as anyone that they left but there comes a time when we have to MOVE ON. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Probably they could have strung Arch out for another year or two but cutting the strings was probably best for both parties. He will be happy playing in Chicago. He was most likely the player in the Friend article and that is why he was benched. I don't think the fans will be crying over this one.

And Snyder is not going anywhere so we need to stop talking about that as well.

Posted by: Lisa | March 21, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

All this goes to show how poorly this franchise has been run since the Danny took over the team. The Fo & coaching staff are VERY petty hold grudges & are quick to make knee jerk reactions. as long as Snyder contiues to own this team I see the same bad FA acquisitions, trades, Drafting we've grown accustom to.

Posted by: KillinTyme | March 21, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

One thing I must admit now, after reading the commentary...the admission of failure is a great start. Now do the other things you need to do:

1.) Bring in a solid talent evaluator to COORDINATE the effort.
2.) Reward your own and start building through the draft.
3.) Build some protection for that QB up front.
4.) Win.

Posted by: Lurker | March 21, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm don't completely wear the Skins blinders either, but it is perfectly okay to be excited when the team gets rid of a mistake that would only hurt the team by staying with them. Look at Moss in Oakland - they will not admit their mistake and trade the guy for less than what he is worth, and watch how he disrespects this new kid coach they brought in. Don't confuse positivity about a single move with overall blindness as to personnel mistakes of the past. Like so many have posted before me, hindsight is 20/20, why worry so much about it.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

who cares archy gone to a team he should have been with from the start.we still should trade springs and our 6th pick to denver for bly and denvers 1,2,and 3 round picks.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Um, Jason.. uh, we kinda already know our FO is the worst in the league and our owner knows nothing about how to field a football team. Your rant is well articulated as well as accurate, but can you tell us something we don't know... your post is like going to some right wing blog and explaining that the Bush Administration is a failure/corrupt/etc. (simply stating the obvious)

But, Danny is at least taking a small step in the right direction.
Bottom line for the Arch deal:
Yes, it was wrong to sign him in the 1st place

It was right to get rid of him now because he would have been a distraction all year long

It was right to trade him because instead of simply cutting him, we end up getting a late pick and save cap room in the future

This was another good move in an already wise off season for the Skins.

Posted by: Diesel | March 21, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Big Red, the truth hurts. Don't be a simp.

What should offend you, as a die hard fan (we all are), is the ineptitude at the top. What positives can you draw from the Snyder reign of terror?

The perpetual Cap room quandry, throwing draft picks away, lack of organizational stability, you name it, Snyder has f'd it up.

There is no plan. A plan requires knowledge, experience, and vision. What operational background does Gibbs or Snyder have? Gibbs has never done this, until now....and it shows.

Pointing these things out is not negative, only true.

Posted by: k Squared | March 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, another angry baltimoron. The skins got rid of a player that didn't want to be here - just look at your own rant, we over paid and that is why he came. He never wanted to be a redskin and never bought into the system. Sure played several woulda, coulda, shoulda scenarios as well. Hind site is alwasy 20/20 or better.

Posted by: John | March 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there was any resolution to the AD problem that JLC would not have criticized. Suppose AD stays with the team? JLC would write how poor a fit AD is in the system and how it doesn't make sense to keep him. Now that he is traded, JLC writes about how wasteful the move is (which it is on paper, I agree).

Its JLC hatin' on the 'skins, offseason style. I guess its too much to ask JLC to carry over a sense of objectivity from his beat reporting to the blog? I mean, I know he loves the Ravens, and I know he does not like the 'skins organization, but does this have to bleed through so many of his blog posts?

Talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: Rennypolis | March 21, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Again, I feel you and agree with a lot of your stuff, but the issue is cutting loose from the major error of signing Archuleta a good or bad decision? The answer is: yes. Objectivity is fine, but because people happen to be 'Skins fans doesn't make them suckers either. I don't think many on this blog are in disagreement about the futility of many of our offseason moves, our handling of the cap, our scouting department, or our lack of a personnel manager (GM, or whatever we classify that person as). We get it. We get that bad cap moves hinder our ability to have quality depth - something that has killed us forever. But...all that being said Archuleta was a safety with no speed or coverage abilities, and a guy too small to play linebacker.
And L.Coles was a whiny, selfish cancer and a sub-par receiver. Good riddance!!!

Posted by: CT Skinz | March 21, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

As a reg blogger, I must agree with LincolnParker/SkinaVille/and Sub G.

Where is all of this anger coming from? I must say reading it turned me off of you sentence by sentence. I want my reporters to be Fair and Balanced, and not have an axe to grind (as you just demostrated by getting mad at us saying it was good deal Cap Wise of the trade)

You know how Family members can always talk about how lousy and boneheaded a Family member of their's is? BUT, if someone whose not family talks about that person, you are ready to beat them down? Jason, you are not Skins Fam - Youse a reporter who blogs. But when you insert personal feelings with a sent of resentment, that's where you cross the line.

If I was JM220, I would Double Smack you to the back of the head all the way back to Bmore.

I don't understand why everyone is agreeing with you when your formula was flawed. THE CAP DOES MATTER DUMMY. WTF HAVE YOU BEEN COVERING, THE OTHER FOOTBALL? HAve you seen our future Cap Years #s? We are at $120 Mil for next year (2008) ALREADY.

Laveronous Coles didn't like the system, but Santana Moss Flourished as a top 5 receiver in the SAME F'ING SYSTEM. LAVar's Agent's F'd up his $$, not Danny.

Everybody in the Freakin World acknowledges that we shouldn't have signed Arch, no one disagrees about that. Gibbs is from the OLD SCHOOL, you keep sh*t internally. Once it gets out, you are looked upon as a person trying to disrupt the chemistry. So, we cut yo a**. WTF is the Problem??

Remember Tenesse a few years ago? They had to cut all of those MoFos cuz of Salary Cap Issues? THE F'ING CAP MATTERS.

Why the F**K the Steelers are trying to get rid of Clark after one year? Tell me that? We f'd up on AP, So the F**K What? That was F'ing 3 years ago. We went to the F'ing playoffs after we got rid of AP.

You are trying to lump a everything that has happened over a F**King 8 year span. You can't do that because all that sh*t ain't in the same classifacation. There has been NO F'ING CONSISTENCY. That's our F'ing problem.

Daniel Snyder is NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON. We are stuck with him, get use to it or find another F'ing team to root for.

Also, blame Gibbs, not Snyder for the signings and non-signings. Snyder just offers the $$. He called Clark's Agent. So The F**K what?!? We wasn't gonna sign his but any F'ing way.

Look, maybe its the offseason, but WE ARE WHO WE F**KING THOUT WE ARE. INCONSISTENT.

Posted by: 4th Floor | March 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Skinsville. Jason is taking this too personally. The mistake was signing Archuletta to the big contract in the first place. This is just a stop-the-bleeding-and-move-on type of trade. No more. No less.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | March 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Signing AA was a terrible mistake. Keeping him on the team as a disgruntled bench warmer would only make things worse. The fact that they were able to get chicago to pay the 5 mil makes this trade a no brainer. The mistake was made a year ago...all this trade did was cut our losses.

Posted by: Kevin | March 21, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I know hiring a GM makes sense, but a Gm working under Snyder would be a disaster. A Gm is only effective if the Owner actually lets him do his job. Snyder will never do that because he thinks because of his marketing sucess that nobody can tell him how to run this team. He basically tries to emulate Al Davis and Jerry Jones.

Posted by: Brian | March 21, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. La Canfora:

How dare you question what I do with the Redskins. Look at the success we've had since I took over the team. Profits are, yeah, profits are up and will go up as long as the suckers, I mean the fans, keep their loyalty to my 'Skins. Just read their comments. I'm a genius! Next time I see you, I'm going to wear my platform shoes, stand on a box and have a word in your face! BTW: You're banned from Johnny is any fan or reporter or player or coach who disagrees with me. All is good! I own everything! BTW: Who are Arch Deluxe and Ryan Clark? Did they go to TomKat's wedding?

Daniel M. "Dan" Snyder

Posted by: Dan Snyder | March 21, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I want to note that this blog almost directly contradicts those article at the end of the year about whether Williams had say in personnel. I have excerpted the Post article and then this blog side-by-side. Can't have it both ways:

Les Carpenter: Jan 3, 2007
Worse were the players Williams wanted in free agency: Archuleta and defensive end Andre Carter. Both were big-name players whose shortcomings had become more pronounced in recent seasons.

Archuleta was so bad a fit he was yanked from the starting squad in the middle of drills one day in November. Troy Vincent trotted out to replace him and Archuleta barely saw the field in ensuing weeks. And nobody has ever told him why, he said.

Williams said he had as much say as the rest of the people in the organization over which players the Redskins signed, meaning when a transaction happened it was because everybody agreed it was the right thing to do, not just him. But the perception among many personnel people in the NFL is that Williams was allowed to pick his defensive players and then implored Gibbs to force Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, to get those players.

Jason LaCanfora January 21, 2007
Ain't no way Gregg Williams, Al Saunders or anyone not named Joe, Dan, or, gasp, Vinny, is saying a word. They take part in personnel meetings along with the scouts, make their case for players when asked to and then sit on the other side of the building while Dan and Joe wheel and deal in from the owner's office.

Posted by: 7thRoundRock | March 21, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't want to be a foolish simpleton again, but I can't choose what offends me and what does not as a fan. Jason has every right to post such a blog (obviously), but tell us something we don't know. I felt the need to comment because it was so much different from his usually objective (although taking humorous shots at times) reporting on this very blog. I would hate to see this blog, which I enjoy reading, turn into a haters forum where we rehash the reasons we suck and why we will never be good again.

It is not being foolish to promote optimisim every once in awhile. I try not to keep myself miserable at all times by remembering our past failures. It seems some other readers agree.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So, you are telling me from strictly a football standpoint, that Vernon Fox and broken Troy Vincent are better football players than Archuleta? Do you think Joe G would really put inferior players in the lineup just to knock Arch's confidence down another notch or two?! I gotta believe the coach is out there doing his best to win a football game, not to play Dr Phil with player psyches. If Arch couldn't beat out these marginal players last year, what makes you think he would smell the field this year. It would be just another year of watching him pout on the sideline. Personally, I would have accepted a roll of toilet paper for the worthless commodity.

While bringing him here was obviously a monumental disaster of a decision, getting him out of here was a necessity, irregardless of ANY cap ramifications.

Posted by: Football Speak | March 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

1) JLC, I think it's awesome that you have this kind of passion. Seriously. Blogers, we are uber lucky.

2) I still have to disagree. Your argument glosses over the fact that it was always a mistake for him to be here. 7 starts or 70 starts. Those of us who are both glad he's gone and HORRIEFIED when he signed originally, are jumping for joy. By your argument, if the front office makes a mistake, they should just let it run it's course.

3) I'm the last person, maybe ever to champion the actions of the skins FO. It is a shabingus in constant motion. It flows and becomes new shabingi. All those mistakes you pointed out were just that, mistakes. The point is, here we are now. We can correct a mistake (Gardner, Rod, sourpatch Coles), are they supposed to let this one go because they screwed up before? I would argue no. That guy needed to be somewhere else.

4) The elements of your argument that I love are all about how the FO is structured. No one here, from Arch apologists to the street dancers (what I did when I found out he was leaving) would tell you that they are the least bit satisfied with The Danny and the personell acquisition strategies of the Redskins during his tenure. Error after error. Swings and misses everywhere. Very few times, have we been able to correct a mistake. The path that led us here may not be a good one (aka the decision making) but I think the conclusion of archuletta's dismissal is irrefutably the right one.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Jason's rant about the FO and its structure stinking and they are not accountable for all their dumb moves -- and as for the post that said that Gibbs wasn't part of these mistakes and that Synder and Cerrato have been making them without his input -- seems hard to believe based on what I read from this paper. Gibbs seems culpable too.

Having said that -- this isn't the move IMO to start a rant about the FO. Dumping Arculetta's salary and getting a pick for him too boot -- is a rare GOOD move by the FO.

Yeah teams across the league am sure where clamoring to take a safety who is pushing 30, who is on the downside of his career, had a bad year, can't cover by his own admission, and is the highest paid safety in the league or if not close to it -- I bet team after team where calling the Skins and saying look we really really want this guy, we will take his salary off your hands and give you a draft pick to boot. But, we got overanxious and dealt him to the Bears before the parade of offers came in.

IMO we just got lucky that Lovie Smith has a relationship with Archuleta and thinks he can turn him around. Jason correct me if I am wrong, but I'd be stunned if we had more suitors than the Bears.

Posted by: mikek | March 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Speak it, J. Let the Redskin-annas and Snyder apologists scramble and fall over themselves to blast you. No single move this team makes happens in a vacuum. This is an unfortunate byproduct of a more unfortunate signing in the first place. They deserve to be buried again for this. Pile it on.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | March 21, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

JLaC, most of the time, I got your back, but on this current pick-and-flick of the scab, I see it as having been a much closer call, esp. with the read on dead cap space.

If the choice is: (a) $4 dead cap hit in 2007 against a $109 million cap versus (b) the possibility for a few sacks and big plays over two years, then taking a $6 million hit in 2010 against what will probably be a $130 million cap, then my choice is to take what I know over what I don't know.

The comparison assumes that other players salaries don't continue the absurb ballooning that we've already seen so far this off-season. Those next two seasons (as key reserve) are seasons where the guy is 31 and 32 years old, with an injury history that includes hospitalization with a concussion (and a need for him to be a safety that makes tackles) and back injuries (disk issues). So the fix you offer is to cut him in June 2009, spread the $7 million hit over two years and face like a $1 million hit in 2009 and like a $6 million hit in 2010.

Its that cap hit in the out years that says to me this borrowing against the future has to stop. Yes, Chicago made out like banshees and the Skins got NOTHING for the $5M sunk this past season. Sometimes, you have to pay the piper. I think it is a business decision (football, non-football, whatever) to settle up accounts in the present.

So far this offseason, the Skins seem like they have been trying to take some of the hard medicine (at least, hard by Skins' terms b/c there are FAs who would have been signed in past seasons, but not this season). This Archuleta medicine happens to be the hardest medicine yet. [Lisa, we're all behind you, but the hardest medicine may be yet to come in your Dark Chocolate.]

I return to my original idea for why they made THIS decision now ... so that the next round of FO staff doesn't have to deal with as much dead space dead wood. Plus, it gave them the chance to meet the FO staff in Chicago...

Say it again, Old School ... Bobby DePaul.

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse


I don't think anyone has tried to claim that the Redskins front office is a winning organization, have they? You're beating a dead horse.

However, even a bad organization can make a good move, just as a blind squirrel can find acorns. Getting rid of Arch the way they did was a good move. Keeping him would have cost another $5 million in cap over one or two more years. They got out of it by trading him. They made a mistake and they're paying a price, but the price is less than it would be in a year or two. It's a sign of foresight, not "win now."

What is encouraging to some of us is that this off-season, including Arch's departure, seems more reasonable than the last off-season. The blind squirrel is finding more than a few nuts. Maybe it's not really blind but is taking a while to get used to its glasses.

You, like many others, don't want to acknowledge that people -- even the Redskins -- can learn from their mistakes. Personally, I'm willing to see how things turn out.

Posted by: KK | March 21, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't care about Archuleta, or any of these personnel decisions one by one. It's when you start looking at them as a whole, as a pattern, that a clear picture emerges.

The Redskins are in shambles. There's no long-term vision. There's only a win now mentality, and even that isn't working. Snyder needs to fire himself, right after firing Vinnie and bringing in a Ron Wolf type. Learn something from other owners (and I don't mean of the Jerry Jones mold). Sit back, sign checks (smart ones, no throwing good money after bad) and watch the team improve and maybe win a game or two.

Posted by: Deanna | March 21, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Until we are better consistently I don't care who questions the Redskins leadership.

The Redskins are LUCKY to have gotten any pick for Archuletta.

And yes he will be better in Chicago because he won't have to cover anyone...besides the fact that I can maybe name 2 defensive players I'd rather have on our team then theirs, and that would really be digging.

Posted by: J | March 21, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Just got this email reminder from the team. Damn, now I won't be eligible for seat relocation:

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Hail to the Redskins!!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs always talks about how much he looks at character and how much they want a player to fit into the Skins system. It seems they go above and beyond the duty to find out if a player fits. The truth is they do a terrible job and will not admit that they have short comings in the personnel area. Vinny sucks and always has. He is just a yes boy to Danny and destroyed the 49ers. Joe cannot make good player decisions. His theories and coaching work but a free hand inplayer selection is not his strong suit. We need someone who tells the Skin's management when they make mistakes. If we do not get a GM we will be a mediorce team for years.

Posted by: mooreskins | March 21, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm really mad, Jason.

Why don't you face the facts on the Redskins and sixth round picks? Does Cedric Golston ring a bell? Maybe not yours, but a lot of other people got their bells rung by him:

2006: Golston played in 16 games, with 12 starts, and recorded 59 tackles (35 solo), a half-sack and one fumble recovery. He finished third among Redskins' defensive linemen in tackles.

Golston was a sixth round pick of the Redskins -- #196 in the draft. Who would you rather have on the Redskins next year -- Arch or the next Cedric Golston?

Posted by: KK | March 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I generally agree that in the last three years, the FO's choices have been more misses than hits.


Clinton Portis, Shawn Springs, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Marcus Washington...Santana Moss...Kedric Golston (Draft: 2006 - 6th round)...acquiring these players were not bad moves in Gibbs' second tenure, I think most would agree. Even JLC.

So its not all bad, hmmm? Is the FO structure to be praised when they get things right? Or only when things go wrong?

Mr. Raven - I mean, JLC - any thoughts?

Posted by: Rennypolis | March 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

has anyone seen my vibrator?

Posted by: Jenny | March 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Football Speak couldn't have said it any better.

Gibbs is out to win Football games. If I guy performs, he plays.

JLaC - Why the heck was Arch not playing? Tell us that, huh? It def wasn't about a personal issue. The guy got BURNT TOAST. Sound familiar??

Posted by: 4th | March 21, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you are saying from a business standpoint and a fan standpoint. I do feel however that getting rid of AD was necessary in terms of team unity and moral. I do think that Mr. Snyder and Coach Gibbs are making concessions that there were some bad decisions made. Dumping AD for nothing and swallowing $4M this year can't possibly make them feel good. One thing I know about Dan Snyder is that he wants very badly to win for the Redskins and more importantly the fans. Being a long time fan himself before owning the Redskins allowed him to have a great understanding for what the fans want. We want to see the Redskins Win, we want to feel like we are a part of a great winning tradition. That means being loyal to your fans, players, coaches, and anyone who calls themselves a REDSKIN. Hopefully we will now learn again to be responsible with "Our Salary Cap", not just "Dan Snyders Salary Cap". We the fans and past players, coaches, owners deserve to have a very excellently run football team. We build what today is known as the Washington Redskins. I hope they continue to try to honor who "THE REDKINS" really are by thinking in terms of what we really want to see our franchise look like. We want a franchise that first appreciates the fans who support it by being good managers and stewards of the personnel and players who run it. What our franchise known as the Washington Redkins needs is to know that there is some sort of accountability at the highest level. That is no disrespect meant to Mr. Snyder. Great leaders are even better followers. Mr. Snyder should open himself up perhaps to something of an eldership so to speak. About five guys or so that he handpicks(True Redskins)that would have the authority to truthfully help him run the franchise. The guys would also have the job of being a fan base liason. I just hope our Redskins Leadership truely knows our core value's of being a "True Reskin". We need to learn to honor but not overpay guys like AP and Ryan Clark who were core players. I know this much about Dan Snyder and Coach Gibbs, nobody wants to win for us more than them. I love your articles Jason, keep them coming. Especially at a down time like this when all we can do is wait and hope for better days to come.

Posted by: Kris M. | March 21, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Greatest blog ever. Rationalize all you want some of you people. Jason hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: Redskin Fan In DE | March 21, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There a lot of people -- and most them work for Snyder via -- who are still living in the glorious past. Over the past ten years, the Redskins have been no better than the Cardinals and Lions. The organization is quite simply a joke in the eyes of other fans and even worse, in the eyes of players and coaches around the league -- all who will only come to DC if Snyder backs up the brinks truck. We all need to realize this and stop defending the Danny. The man simply has no plan -- one that he sticks to at least -- and seems unable to extricate himself from the football decision making process. All this "Snyder isn't involved" crap is just that, crap. He is the defacto GM via Cerrato. Schottenheimer realized this and kicked his sorry butt to the curb. Too bad Coach Gibbs is apparently too much of a Christian to do the same. Or hell, mabye Joe has just lost it completely. Sure seems like that on the sidelines on gameday.

The Skins will have a decent year every now and then. It's almost impossible not to in today's NFL. But until real changes in the front office and front office philosophy are made, they will lose far more games than they win. And, sadly, they will continue to be an organization the rest of the league laughs at.

It's time to wake up, people. Snyder can buy and some overrated players, but he can't buy wins.

Posted by: Alex | March 21, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

KK, nice, but Anthony Montgomery was picked in the round before Golston. I love Golston too, but he's one sixth rounder out of lots the Skins have picked well. I'm guessing when you said you were "really mad", you mean't not really that mad. [Don't get me wrong, I'm still hoping for big things from Golston, Montgomery, and Kili Lefotu.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I cover as good as Britney Spears panties during a night on the town. You are all haters.

Posted by: Adam Archuleta | March 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It pains me but stupid decisions like this will taint Gibss legacy forever. Coach...stick with're actually winning in that sport.

Posted by: Hotspurguy | March 21, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody light a match? This blog is on fire!

Lots of lurkers posting for the first time. Lots of regular season posters posting for the first time in the post-season.

Nothing brings 'em out like Dannytalk!

Anybody got a Newport cigarette? I am ALIVE with pleasure.

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"I cover as good as Britney Spears panties during a night on the town. You are all haters."

Hey Adam Archuleta, it don't count if all those panties are covering are her bedroom floor.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

PS, I also wanted to say that if the first recommendation for leadership accountability is not agreeable then just hire a GM who has the ultimate authority to make all football decisions. End of Story! Thanks again Jason!!
Kris M.

Posted by: Kris M. | March 21, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

sween- F the Newport...let's start doing shots of GM! lol
Who are these people?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I still can't come to grips with the fact that Jason so easily writes off the potential of a 6th round pick. Yes, the trade looks awful on paper. The highest paid safety in the league for a 6th round pick? The Skins clearly admit their mistake by executing the trade. However, look more closely. Arch absolutely sucked last year, and as hard as it is to believe, he is not going to all of the sudden learn how to cover and fit in as a major player in this defense. The guy was terrible. Did we forget that. Do not write off sixth round picks like they are nothing, just because the Skins' recent 6th rounders have not been Pro Bowlers. Golston for one is a good example of a Skins 6th round pick who has serious potential. And who knows when you might unearth the next Tom Brady (I think he was a 6th rounder) or late round gem. It's pretty much a crapshoot when you get to the later rounds. Think about it - would you rather have a close to 30 safety who can't cover or a potential decent to good player (or maybe even another pick to package for a more pressing need). This was a good move by a FO not used to them.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

News Flash: There are 31 teams that make more than a half dozen horrible moves each offseason.......if you honestly think the 'Skins would have been better off keeping Arch than I'm sorry your an idiot......this is a good deal if for any reason it clears up a roster spot that was being filled by a guy too small to play linebacker and not quick enough to play safety and who bites on every juke....his covers skill are horrendous and he was a constant liability.......they fact we got out of the extra $5mil and got a sixth round pick is amazing.........nice to see your hindsight is 20/20 the hater articles for Cowboy blogs....try not to hurt yourself hopping on the Bandwagon later this year.

Posted by: Mike | March 21, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Y'all, just checking in quickly so I apologize if this has been said in a thousand different ways -- including this one -- already:

JLaC, I may not always agree with you, but damnit, I respect the hell out of that post. Bold, smooth taste.

(Apologies to Wes Mantooth as well.)

Posted by: stevie in gp | March 21, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins so much but I can't deal with their offseason "strategies" anymore. This Archuletta trade just removes a mistake. He was never going to play, so what is the point of having him on the roster?

My larger issue is that we have no plan. Every year we pick at the obvious issue - it was WR going into last year, now it's defensive line. We don't take a draft into perspective that we need to take the player who will be best in the long run that we have some need for...not the guy that fits into our glaring need right this second.

I am a huge Sean Taylor fan, but do people realize that we could have taken Ed Reed instead of Patrick Ramsey, then taken Ben Roethlisberger the next year instead of Taylor? I know people can play the "what if game" in the NFL forever, but those were two people I definitely wanted at the time.

Our constant disregard for draft picks is alarming. You cannot get any surprises from the draft(the Antonio Gates, Marques Colston, Tom Brady, on a smaller level Kedric Golston, and numerous other guys) if you never have draft picks...the first round isn't the only important round. Without "shots in a barrel" you can't make any hits.

I like how so far we've taken a somewhat lower keyed approach this year and not overpaid guys like Dockery or Leonard Davis. We can't move into a smart direction that consistently successful teams are in without holding onto our current and future draft picks, and it seems to me we are on our way so far(fingers crossed in late April).

As far as the first pick is concerned we obviously need to wait til we are on the clock before making a move baring an overwhelming offer. We have no idea who will be there (Quinn/Peterson/Others) and could make our pick very desired. I don't know if these DE/DT are THAT good, and by THAT good I mean on the Seymour, T. Harris, Freeney, Peppers level. If they are not capable of being that good, then they are not worth the 6th pick plain and simple. We will simply overpay a young guy and depend on him too much to fix to big of a problem.

Posted by: Broken Clipboard | March 21, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget Rock Cartwright. Seventh Round pick out of Kansas State in 2002 (257 overall).

I'd frankly be more comfortable with Rock covering tight ends than Archuletta.

Posted by: 7thRoundRock | March 21, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse


Always respect your perspective on anything.

I think that when Jason writes "looking at the past history of sixth-round picks in these parts, we'll see if this young man ends up making a mark of any sort in the NFL" he should acknowledge that the Skins probably do about as well as anyone with sixth rounders. The "history in these parts" includes losers and winners.

There's a lot of luck involved that late in the draft, but getting one more roll of the dice off of Arch at least improves our odds of finding another Kedric Golston. We may not find him, but the roll is worth something.

Posted by: KK | March 21, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Is there anybody else we can trade?

In exchange for Schaub (the #2 QB who never really ever had a shot at starting there), the Falcons got to move up two picks in the first round, plus they got two second round picks.

How about Todd Collins? He's never going to have a shot at starting. Do the Skins have ANY tradeable depth? I'm getting a little punch drunk from reading this REALLY LONG posts ... now this hamster wants more instant gratification ... more draft picks, more draft picks. [IPO! IPO!]

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Somehow I missed the whole blog when I looked at it at first.

Yeah the whole part about Danny screwing up and Gibbs being complict I agree with 100%. I love Gibbs the coach but not the GM. Snyder I love his willingness to spend money but he doesn't seem to realize that he should get out of the football personnel business -- its clearly not his niche and is ruining the franchise as he experiments with it by trial and error.

I just think Jason is using the wrong example to back his rant. I'd agree if the rant was about why they signed this guy in the first place but to rant about why they are dumping him? Seems out of place. But I appreciate and agree with his attitude about the FO, they are a joke!

Posted by: mikek | March 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I love the work you do here on the blog and in the Post. You're one of the top beat writers in the league, but this is way over the top.

Your frustration with the way the front office is structured is starting to show in everything you write. Will you give AP and Ryan Clark a rest already. Clark was benched by the Steelers at the end of the year, even after Palamalu went down. And Pierce had once pretty good year in NY and last year he wasn't playing great before being hurt for most of the year. Sure they were cheaper, but in the AP's first year with NY, Marshall had just a good a year here. Last year both struggled and you see we improved by getting Fletcher. That said, who is a better MLB, Fletcher or Pierce. So with you point of getting better on the field, right now we're better on the field with Fletcher instead of Pierce. Also, if by getting rid of AA we are able to keep Springs WE ARE better on the FIELD then were Springs to leave. Also, by keeping Springs we have the opportunity to move him to Safety, which I believe will make us better, especially in coverage with the cover 2. So yes, we are better on the FIELD with this move.

I'm not in love with everything we've done in the front office and I think we need a real football guy as a GM, but let's not make everything that happens with this team a reflection of your personal opinion that they are imcompetent.

Posted by: CVille | March 21, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

haha last blog for awhile...have fun suckers

Posted by: Louis Boya | March 21, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you are saying from a business standpoint and a fan standpoint. I do feel however that getting rid of AD was necessary in terms of team unity and moral. I do think that Mr. Snyder and Coach Gibbs are making concessions that there were some bad decisions made. Dumping AD for nothing and swallowing $4M this year can't possibly make them feel good. One thing I know about Dan Snyder is that he wants very badly to win for the Redskins and more importantly the fans. Being a long time fan himself before owning the Redskins allowed him to have a great understanding for what the fans want. We want to see the Redskins Win, we want to feel like we are a part of a great winning tradition. That means being loyal to your fans, players, coaches, and anyone who calls themselves a REDSKIN. Hopefully we will now learn again to be responsible with "Our Salary Cap", not just "Dan Snyders Salary Cap". We the fans and past players, coaches, owners deserve to have a very excellently run football team. We build what today is known as the Washington Redskins. I hope they continue to try to honor who "THE REDKINS" really are by thinking in terms of what we really want to see our franchise look like. We want a franchise that first appreciates the fans who support it by being good managers and stewards of the personnel and players who run it. What our franchise known as the Washington Redkins needs is to know that there is some sort of accountability at the highest level. That is no disrespect meant to Mr. Snyder. Great leaders are even better followers. Mr. Snyder should open himself up perhaps to something of an eldership so to speak. About five guys or so that he handpicks(True Redskins)that would have the authority to truthfully help him run the franchise. The guys would also have the job of being a fan base liason. I just hope our Redskins Leadership truely knows our core value's of being a "True Reskin". We need to learn to honor but not overpay guys like AP and Ryan Clark who were core players. I know this much about Dan Snyder and Coach Gibbs, nobody wants to win for us more than them. I love your articles Jason, keep them coming. Especially at a down time like this when all we can do is wait and hope for better days to come.

Posted by: Kris M. | March 21, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder is a clear example of what the 'Old Guard' owners feared. An extremely successful businessman taking over a football team. No one can deny that the Redskins are extremely successful when it comes to finances but a look at thier record over the past decade show just how well business success translates to football success. Jason hit it right on the head, we should't be celebrating good business moves, we should be examining the moves in regards to the product on the field.

Posted by: David | March 21, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

if not then just hire a GM who gets all the control

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you are the Jack Kerouac of bloggers. Amazing stream-of-consciousness rant. Great points all around!

Posted by: Joe The Fan | March 21, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

i still think a third of the blame needs to be placed on vinny c. the man was here before gibbs, and we were still making bad personnel moves (deion, bruce, and carrier in one offseason alone)...he did the same crap back in san francisco, the only difference there was they already had a nfc championship-caliber team, and just needed one or two spare parts, so overpaying for a veteran on the decline worked, though it ended up putting them in cap hell for a few years (during which vinny ran away).

danny-boy likes splashy signings. vinny c can only scout players who've already had big years. joe loves veterans like sons. put the three together and you got a scary combination.

not only should we have kept smoot, pierce, and clark, but let's not forget we also paid a large sum of money to get a middle linebacker from the giants who never played a down for us. why did we waste money on him when we already had pierce? because no one on the staff thought he could fit the role. but it could be clearly seen from his previous season that year that he was quick and could make plays, and we didn't lose much when he filled in for injured players. give the young no-names a chance before throwing money away...

Posted by: JC | March 21, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

archy is good riddance to bad rubbish.who cares anyway.its what happens when you have an owner who doesnt know football.on another note i say trade springs and our 6th pick to denver for bly and their 1,2,and 3rd round picks.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

KK, point well taken (esp. about respecting my perspective! I never get that at work) about doing OK in the draft. Of the six picks last year, all but Kevin Simon are still on the roster. From the previous year, not so good (3 on, 3 off). Same with 2004 (two on, two off).

I was just getting a little defensive about J-LaC, who was obviously coming down from a bender ... or a nerve wrecked afternoon of child care responsibilities.

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

JC, until fans can fire an owner, Vinny gets not simply 1/3 of the blame, he gets ALL of the blame. [St. Joe, b/c he has Super Bowl rings, only gets "so what have you done for me lately?"]

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse


Obviously the FO at your work is no better than the Redskins, and maybe worse. Maybe you should ask to be traded? How much do you count against their cap? What can they get for you? A third rounder?

Posted by: KK | March 21, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC - Your rant was right on, loved it. But I think keeping AD around as a backup would have been a distraction. How would the starters react to a player sitting on the bench making 2X dollars while the starter is making X dollars. Businesses don't publish employee salaries for that reason. There is no quicker way to kill employee moral than knowing that a coworker is making more that you do. Especially, if you think they don't deserve it.

Posted by: Throwback | March 21, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

i blame snyder more than anyone.wasting our draft picks and money for players whos gone the next year.pathetic.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow JLC, you seem positively pissed. I don't blame you if you are a Redskins fan.

Posted by: Dylan | March 21, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I will be 60 on my next birthday and have been a skins fan ever since I can remember. For most of that time, the skins were not very good. We had one good owner, Jack Kent Cooke, who was there for both George Allen and Joe Gibbs I. Edward Bennet Williams ran the team for the Squire during the Allen years. You need a good owner to have a good team. It is all about leadership.

I have spent time in the military and in a large corporation, and I have seen it over and over again. If you have good leadership, your chance for success is great. If you don't have good leadership, then your chance for success is problematic. Even Jack Kent Cooke did not always make the best decisions. He hired Norv Turner and Jack Pardee.

My point is that the skins will only be good consistently if Dan Snyder learns how to be a good leader for his football team. If he doesn't, then we are stuck. The Orioles have two GMs, but there decisions are nullified by an owner who thinks he knows better. My hope is that Dan Snyder will learn how to lead his football team. If he doesn't, the future is bleak.

I have posted similar sentiments before.

I think Jason does a fine job with this blog and with his reporting articles, which are two very different animals.

I have posted in the past with just "Mark", but I have seen another "Mark" submit posts. I am not as clever as Nate in the PDX, so I just added my zip code to distinguish my posts from his.

They may be good or bad, but I am stuck with the skins.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 21, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

That was a bit of a slippery slope.

I have no idea how you can say Dan Snyder is to blame for the personnell decisions. He clearly only deals with the $$ side of the deals.

Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams and the other coaches are the ones who pick the players. Bash them if you want, but blaming Snyder for Archuleta is ridiculous.

Posted by: Dan DC | March 21, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Mark in the Pyle?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

we need another owner like kent cook.a least he didnt screw up the skins like snyde has.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

snyde has the final say.he could have said no.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

can we stop talkin about archy,hes and who cares.he sucks anyway and didnt want to be here to begin with.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who believes people, including Daniel Snyder and contributors to this blog, can make mistakes and learn from them? Or does a series of mistakes, like Snyder's (or even my own which are not as evident to everyone), means you're doomed to mistakes forever?

Posted by: KK | March 21, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

i think we are deating a dead horse here ... lets just move on from the AA deal ... i never like the way he played

Posted by: scott | March 21, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

snyde doesnt seem to learn from his mistakes.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

KK I agree completely with your last post on correcting mistakes. I should only hope that everyone agrees. What is the point of even being a fan if we are doomed forever with Snyder as the owner? It's not much fun to think that way.

Posted by: Big Red 6 | March 21, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

i agree with scott,aa is gone whoppty do,who i said in an earlier post i think we should trade springs and our 6th pick to denver for bly and their 1,2,and third round picks cause bly wants to be a skin and springs wants to play for shannahan.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

scott, agreed, but before moving on, I want to know what the 'condition' is on the 'conditional draft pick'.

In other news, according to the stats on, the topic of the moved on discussion, who suited up for 16 games had 60 tackles, 49 solo, and one sack, is being replaced (as the #3 safety) by Omar Stoutmire, who, after suiting up for 13 games, had 56 tackles, 44 solo, and no sacks. Other than the salaries, the comparison sounds about even.

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

stoutmire is just for depth.we should get hamlin.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Dude, were you spitting and turning red while you were typing that? Your disdain for Snyder has not surfaced like this in quite some time. You can't tell me that if the Skins had heeded your advice and kept Arch around as a situational player for a year or two, that you would not have continued to skewer them on his contract? You don't have to be honest with me, but be honest with yourself. My point is, in your book, I think they were damned if you do, damned if you don't. Seriously, did Snyder kiss your old girlfriend, run over your puppy, take your spot on the debate team? What is it?

Posted by: hoopdawg | March 21, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

sween- Stoutmire better bring a comparable wife/girlfriend...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Last post at work. I love you guys. But I gotta say, some of you regulars are fare weather fans and its coming to light today. Am I the only one who wears there heart on thier sleeve (except for half of the new posters)?

I respect JLaC, but you gotta call it out. You guys talk about Lenny PAsqurelli and Peter King being the bad guy, but most of you are doing their work or proving their point.

See you at the Super Bowl next year. I'll be there with my 'Skins Jersey........

Posted by: 4th | March 21, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

All other things being equalized (i.e., take out age and injuries), who would you rather have at defensive end: Strahan, Terrell Suggs, or Ty Warren?

[This is a trick question based on the current top three DEs available and players to whom their play has been compared.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

i would never have gotten archy to begin i said archy is gone and who cares.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

JLC, You are very wise and your insiderness is second to none.

When looking at the big picture, as you've pointed out, the Archuleta trade looks pretty horrible. But when looking at this offseason alone, I don't think we can complain about the moves that have been made so far. We had a third string safety who did not fit into our defensive schemes and who is said to have contributed to a very disparaging news article about his coaching staff. In addition, unless things change, we're still in ok shape from a cap standpoint.

I'm not a Snyder apologist. Please don't get me wrong. I guess I am a little more optimistic than I should be, but all of the signs I see are positive: so far we haven't given away any draft picks and we've actually picked one up. Signs even point to us trying to get more. We've filled in some gaps and let go of some players who didn't contribute or would have cost too much to resign. And, while we haven't made any moves in this area yet, I'm encouraged to hear that we're focusing on the d-line in the draft. All good things.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 21, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

With the 'Skins playing.

Laugh at me Now.....

Posted by: 4th | March 21, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead 4th!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

xpac69, Hamlin got picked up by the Cowboys today.

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

4th- Last post at work, as in today's THE day? Or just last post of the day?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If only we could fire Dan.

Dan Snyder is to the Redskins what George Bush is to America.

Posted by: ifonly... | March 21, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

F carping at each other up here. The returns on infighting have dwindled to naught.

The happy flurry of blogging y'alls guts out turned bitter and mean. Come on now, people.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 21, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

please,enough about AA.hes suck and now hes with lovie.good riddance to him.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

no hamlin visited the crackbabies today.i was being a bit of a smartass.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts:

1) Stop playing the Ravens fan vs. Redskins fan angle when it comes to criticizing JLC for his Front Office rants. Anyone who would not snatch Ozzie Newsome for the Skins in a heartbeat is crazy or deluded.

2) Applicable definition of insanity: doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. We need to remember Pierce, Smoot, Lavar, Clark, etc. because the same thing is happening again and again. I, for one, am getting tired of forgetting about past grievances and giving them the benefit of the doubt everytime they do one good thing. It's going to take a couple offseasons of change and a couple years of winning before I'm willing to put my blinders back on.

3) The Skins dropping Archuletta is, in my opinion, the best option at this point. He is getting older, has an injury, has an obvious rift with the team and coaches and there is another team interested in him. Get what you can. Gambling on production out of him over the next year or two and/or future trade value is just that -- a gamble.

That all said, most of what went wrong with Archuletta is the Skin's FO and coaching staff's fault. Don't let them off the hook for spilling a gallon of milk and then mopping up a cup of it. They signed a guy for way too much money, who clearly was not a good fit (at least according to other league sources) for the system and current players. Then they threw him into a situation he was not ready for and unable to excel in. Then they scape goated him and turned him into a public whipping boy.

I have no hatred for Archie. Bon voyage... enjoy the windy city... best of luck. Oh, but remember to suck during next year's Skins game.

Stop forgetting, Redskins Nation... stop forgetting.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Was Arch JLC's boyfriend or something? There's no reason for him to be here this year. He was a mistake and he's gone. Be happy that they at least got a 6th pick for him.

Posted by: Rob | March 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

yea ifonly bush blows goats i have proof.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think the best thing to do is delete this blog and move on. I enjoy the insider news. Arch is gone, we don't have any say in the matter.

Front office has always had problems. I was thinking today when was the last time we have actually had to franchise a player?

No one really wants our players because our team sucks. We are 5-11 and until we can string back to back seasons (even back to back wins) together, we will never win in any of these trade deals.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 21, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

enough about achuletta hes gone.who cares any way.the guy blows.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more JLC. I've been saying for years that you-know-what rolls downhill and people still defend Snyder. Nothing will change until he realizes someone else is more competent, which ain't happening any time soon.

Posted by: RedskinsDave | March 21, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

i agree joey.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

snyder blows goats just like bush.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

One final Archuleta thought before I log out ...

There is one group of people who are really PISSED about the Archuleta deal -- the top safeties in the NFL. With his re-negotiated contract, the value of being franchise tagged as a safety just went WAY down.

Remind me when Sean Taylor's contract expires ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 21, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

4th, it may take me a couple years of winning before I put my blinders back on, but my Skins jersey will always be worn with pride EACH AND EVERY Sunday.

Just like my Johnny WhiteGuy underoos.


Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

dead horse

Jason Campell is the plan.

Posted by: Old School | March 21, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Damn right HAIL SKINS 4 LIFE!!!!

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

its all about bleeding burgundy and gold.thats all that really matters.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Finally!!! There's the attitude I have been waiting for. FIRE SNYDER. It is what I have been saying for years. This guy is nothing more than an over anxious little kid, who sees something bright and shiny, has to have it and overpays for it. Only to discard it after it looses its luster. Or better yet he is like that guy who every thinks is a duesche who spends ridiculous money on women but never gets any action from them. Almost everything he has done with regards to our football roster and coaches is stupidly insane. And GMs and personnel directors around the league think he is an idiot. They love to trade with him, because he is like that kid you grew up with that you could rip-off when you traded baseball cards with them. Bottom Line is that we have made the playoffs twice in 14-15 years and we as Redskins faithful need to stand up and say we are not going to take this s***. I am over it SNYDER HAS TO GO OR AT LEAST LET GO OF HIS SHINY LITTLE TOY AND HAND OVER THE REIGNS TO A GM WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. SUBMIT.

Posted by: The Guy | March 21, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

There are a large number of folks here in denial. I keep hearing that Gibbs & the coaches are in charge and pick the players, this is not true. Snyder is heavily involved in at the very least, VALUING the players. Judging from his trip to GT to scout the WR, I'd say he's involved in PICKING the players as well.

I agree that the buck stops with DS, and when you come to terms with the fact that he is responsible for this mess, the view is a lot different. At the end of the day, you have a guy who is basically unqualified, undisciplined, and vindictive trying to manage a business (team) in one of the most efficient markets imaginable. Not hard to see why this is a bad recipe. It's like someone with no investment banking experience appointing himself the head of Goldman Sachs and expecting not to screw up. Problem is, the Skins have no competition in DC, so the problems will continue.

One other kernal for you JLC:

You bring up Merriman, but remember who his agents were and the fact that Snyder (due to a personal issue) does not do business with them and would never have drafted him whether or not a CB was needed. Again, a personal issue (Snyder's) impacting the product on the field. Man, I pine for AJ Smith, who takes s--t from no one and ended up w/ SM regardless of Mr. Poston.

Posted by: TB | March 21, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Any regulars still around?

Just got my Shabingus t-shirt in the mail today and I will be wearing it to DC on Friday during our field trip to the monuments. If you see a walking light blue shabingus around the mall area Friday, say hello.

ps- just added shabingus to the spell check dictionary as well. Sweet.

Posted by: Dorf | March 21, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Dorf... that's awesome! You should check out the site again. There's six new designs up (new as of last night).

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

i agree that the way its me rvd from the warpath.the snyde dont know donkey do about football and thats as obvious a bush knows how to run our country.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"It's like someone with no investment banking experience appointing himself the head of Goldman Sachs and expecting not to screw up."

TB, I did that once... screwed the whole company up.

Total shabingus.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Dorf or Bucktown- Do either of you still have the link. I've got to go order mine. Who's this xbox360 or whoever? Giving me a headache.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse


This post is very disappointing to me. Although I agree with your assessment of prior transactions, most notably AP and Clark, those guys should have never been allowed to leave. Even Coles to an extent, but we have Moss now and Smoot back at a lower price. We should have locked up Dockery last year. But I do disagree with a very BIG point you made. We would NOT be better off with this Safety on our Roster, we already have a much Better younger version of Him who can cover. S. Taylor. O. Stoutmire is better than him and he is hear. Sure if you don't factor the money in we could have got a third rounder. I think we are better WITHOUT him on the roster period. I also think we made the best decision for the position we were put in, (even though it was our fault to be put in this position) I also think this is a step in the right direction, gain a draft pick who could one day be a RESERVE like AD was. I agree the office needs to stop making mistakes and then trying to fix them, but if this offseason is any indication I would say they are headed in the right direction.

Posted by: Ryan | March 21, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

i think your giving yourself a headache,beside xbox sucks.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to use firefox so it will correct spelling mistakes. There's not much we can do about crappy grammar.

Posted by: RedskinsDave | March 21, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

anyway snyder is about as worthless to football as that dingleberry we have for our president is to running our country.we should banish him to iraq since he loves it so much.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Bucktown. The new designs are great! Might have to get one for Mrs. 4-12 too.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

On Antonio Pierce: the guy made the pro bowl.

But he was basically part of the Champ Bailey, LaVar Arrington,
and Antonio Pierce defense that could have lasted for years. If you think Arrington can't come back check out the starting tight end for the Broncos. Pierce did not leave for the same reasons that AA, Champ, and LaV ar did.

For all intents and purposes Snyder wrecked the defense. He had some help from Greg Williams and company. Gibb? He's managed to keep the O-line pretty intact. He's managed to keep 2 front-line running backs happy and in the fold. He managed to ressurect Santana Moss. He developed a top flight tight end. If Ramsey hadn't been so pig headed he might still be here and would have started most of last year. As it is Gibbs has a good starter at QB (finally) and I expect he will find another in the low rounds just as in the past.

Look at the defense. Look at the offense. Williams made a point of criticizing Gibbs "antiquated" offense. Who is succeeding at keeping players? IN fact if Gibbs had not become personally involved with Sean Taylor do you think he would still be here?

It may sound silly but I think they should just bring back the "Bone' and let him come back up to speed. More talent would stay and Gibbs would have a loyal Redskin at defensive coordinator and asst. head coach.

Posted by: P. | March 21, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Since this is a Redskins blog, I'll take the time to badmouth another team. 2 second rounders for Schaub. He is a taller slower David Carr, same # and all. Texans fans have more to be p*ssed about than we do.

Posted by: cdubb | March 21, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I really understand all of the negative comments. As a lifelong Skins fan with an almost undying sense of optimisim, this was a hard post to read.


He´s right. In everything. Our franchise is destined to repeated failure unless and until The Danny takes his fingers out of the pie and lets football people do the job.

For the people who support this trade, I only have one question: What gives you the idea that more cap room is actually a GOOD idea given the legacy of failure of past free agent acquisitions?

Also, if one thing has been certain over The Danny´s tenure, it´s that every offseason they have a new strategy. And every year, we as a fan base get sucked in thinking that the FINALLY GOT IT. And every year WE´RE WRONG.

It will take more than one offseason of limited free agent acquisition to convince me that they´re learning. Because so far, the only thing they´ve proven over the years it that they will find new, innovative ways to screw up.

I say, fire The Danny. He´s ruining our franchise. We should file a class action law suit. Get Jack Kent Cooke´s son in there. Force the NFL to make a change. Something. Because until we do, I fear that we´ll continue to have bipolar mood swings vis-a-vis our favorite team each and every offseason, but we´ll never win the big one.

Posted by: Bogota | March 21, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

it wont matter the texans still dont have an offensive line.carr isnt that bad he was constantly sacked.i think the texans are giving up on him to early.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I think ArtMonkToTheSticks and Throwback nailed it - signing Arch was far more of a mistake than trading him. Cutting him wasn't a cheaper option. Keeping him on the team even one more year would have lead to resentment among those being paid less (Sean Taylor) to do more. And a significant portion of the players and coaches at least suspected Arch was stabbing the coach/team in the back by spilling his guts to Friend.

Does it hurt to take a cap hit of $4 mil in dead money? Always. But the trade was the best option. Hopefully this move will in some way help the team to keep guys Taylor in 2009 and beyond.

JLa, thank you for your spirited rant. I truly enjoyed both this post and the last. Please keep up the EXCELLENT reporting and the interesting posts.

Posted by: mugamack | March 21, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

i agree loose snyder.unfortunatley he cant be fired as an owner.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

archuletta is gone who cares.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, yahtzee! That trade was ridiculously awful.

There are some people taking the Redskins offseason pill this year. Schaub to HOU for two seconds and a top ten switch? Daniel Graham for 30mil? Leonard Davis for essentially the GNP of Djibouti?

Kenny Wright and Mike Rumph signed AT ALL!?!


Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Agreed! I can't help but think this is related to the SI article last year, which IMO ended up helping the Redskins. Dan Snyder should remove himself from football decisions and the team should get the best GM they can find. A GM and Joe Gibbs could work together.

Posted by: duncan | March 21, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

You still need to keep the talent you draft. Whether it comes in the first, last, or free agent as Antonio Pierce. A GM won't help unless this is addressed. It seems to have been addressed on offense. Its the defense where that problem still exists.

Gibbs can work with any good GM. He made both Casserly and Beathard better. Look what happened to them after they left? Right now the defense is in tatters. I guess that is Gibbs fault since the "buck" stops with him. But would Snyder let him address it?

Everytime you think Gibbs is in control something leaks about Snyder having a melt down. LIke with Laverneus Coles. Snyder is his own worst enemy that's for sure.

Posted by: P. | March 21, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Very astute blog, Jason. Can't agree with you more, except that I think the Skins had no choice given the ESPN article. I don't blame Arch one bit.

Also, I like the emotions you exhibit. It's pretty disappointing seeing the ineptitude of the Skins to correctly judge talent, and assign/negotiate the proper dollar value of players. Not sure on whose head that falls.

Anyway, I do think you need to lose the name calling: The Danny, The Snyder and all those Vinnie names. Rise above it and be better than that. You're a professional, you know?

In any case, keep up the good work.

Posted by: TahoeSkin | March 21, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

JLC was 100% right on with the blog. It's clear Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach, but sub standard as GM/President. At least we didn't trade the house for Freeney and end up 32nd overall in rush defense in 2007.

Posted by: RichInTampa | March 21, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Also, how sure are we it was Arch Deluxe as the ESPN article culprit? 80%? 90%?

Posted by: RichInTampa | March 21, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree with JLaC. This move was totally dumb, beginning to end. Unfortunately, games are still officially sellouts, the 'skins have higher attendance than any other team in the league, and the 'skins are still one of the most valuable franchises around. The Danny isn't going anywhere. Now what would happen if games started not selling out? Hmm...

Posted by: NewMexSkin | March 21, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason. No one thinks these guys in the front office are smart. But they may be getting smarter. Let go of guys who dont produce ... that makes sense. Too many decisions have been driven by cap considerations and that comes by being too close to it every year. Know that 2007 is going to be tight on the cap and be a heck of a lot smarter from lessons learned in 2008. Like few big $$$ free agents are worth it. Like cutting people worth keeping because they pushed the cap. After so many years of underachieving with top budgets ... they should learn something .... Ahhh crap. Wishful thinking

Posted by: AL | March 21, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

For those who criticize JLC for rehashing the Ryan, Pierce, and other fiascos, I say this: QUIT PRETENDING THE PAST AND THE FUTURE ARE UNRELATED. When you give away three 1st round picks (Ramsey, Gardner, Arch) for 6th round picks (let's go ahead and say "nothing") in a span of 2 years, that's among several trends that are killing this team. Getting rid of Arch is not a solution to the problem... it's creating a new credibility problem for Gibbs, when he goes out of his way to say some player is part of the 'Skins future and then gives them away for next to nothing.

Posted by: Alan | March 21, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Rennypolis, AMEN,AMEN,AMEN!

I am a faithful blogger but it gets really tiresome to have Jason constantly criticize the Skins. I realize they had a sucky season and the FO is dysfunctional however, trading Archuleta is certainly not anything to get on a rant about.

The Skins have had a calm offseason - which I believe to be a good thing and hopefully it is because they are trying to turn things around. But do we get articles commending them on this? NO.

Like several of you have mentioned, if we had not traded Arch, we would have been taken to task for that.

It gets really, really OLD.

Posted by: Lisa | March 21, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, that makes total sense. Now I get it. Round of milkshakes at Johnny Rocket's for everyone and a ticket to a free Scientology lecture from Tom Cruise this afternoon at Redskins Park!

^ that was really funny

i understand where your coming from... and honestly... it pains me as i am die hard fan to say your right, but YOU ARE!

however... hes gone now and it does kind of feel like a monkey off our back. i mean, that drama is officially goign to end now right?

lets get back to the redskins team... we have the draft and we gotta keep springs. did gibbs lie to us about keeping ad? no. is he telling us spring is actually going to be back. no

but he should be

draft anderson to stop the run. golly golsten is good... carter is actually underrated now i think because he ended strong and he can get one on one now with upgraded lb... griffin is solid when healthy.

i think we look pretty good. campbell wanted to get some chemistry... thats whats going down at redskins park...

were going to the paloffs with 8-8/9-7


i just vented... ahhhhh

Posted by: jamie walters | March 21, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

You know what I wonder about: Gibbs/Skins had way more trouble with Dexter Manley back in the day. Yet they never gave up on him. So is the willingness to cut a player that may (or may not) be a locker room problem a JG thing or a DS thing?

Posted by: Tide | March 21, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse


About the only player not mentioned was Walt Harris - banished to SF where he flourished and received a new contract.

At the end of Gibb's first tenure, he was all grins when he pulled the trigger on Desmond Howard. 'Nuff said about talent evaluation, and his return to the team has eroded confidence in his game preparation and management.

Back to the future was just a movie. This is a nightmare.

Posted by: Distraught Fan | March 21, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse


I'll start by reposting an earlier comment in response to you:

"I generally agree that in the last three years, the FO's choices have been more misses than hits.


Clinton Portis, Shawn Springs, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Marcus Washington...Santana Moss...Kedric Golston (Draft: 2006 - 6th round)...acquiring these players were not bad moves in Gibbs' second tenure, I think most would agree. Even JLC.

So its not all bad, right? Is the FO structure to be praised when they get things right? Or only when things go wrong?"


The Eagles and Patriots have the same FO structure as the 'skins. To paraphrase Mark Maske's views: its not the structure per se, its the decisions that get made (and whether or not "deciders" are qualified).

Posted by: Rennypolis | March 21, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Joe gibbs has won three super bowls. And the last time I checked the game of football has not changed that drastically since 92. Give the man a chance to work with a sorry a$$ owner and getn this franchise back to championship form. Gibbs will figure out free agency like he figured out nascar and the NFL the first time around.

Posted by: ron mexico | March 21, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Your rant, though mostly presumptious and qualitative, is correct. But how about not beating a dead dog? We're all mad, we've been mad. There are hundreds of threads on extremeskins over the past 3 years decrying the very BS you speak of. We're just all a little fatigued.

Let me challenge your one point though. I know this is much different than the Deion Branch trade, but how is it any more useful in aforementioned goal of winning now? A QB in his absolute prime being robbed of his #1 receiver weeks before the season starts. Sure they get a 1st round pick, but they maybe have another super bowl title if they give him the money. This coming from the "best organization in sports." I realize they got a 1st rounder and cap space for this year, but isn't missing out on a superbowl worse than a middle of the pack team making a stupid signing and taking a cap hit?

Posted by: Matt | March 21, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Omar stoutmire is a redskin again. how come JLC has not posted anything for a insider he is real late.

Posted by: Alexander | March 21, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Amen Brother!!! Again IMPEACH the DANNY!!!

Posted by: Luvsmesumme | March 21, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

It's great to read a MSM writer convey such passion. Okay, technically it's in your blog and not in the paper, but look at the reacts to it. More newspaper persons should come across as you did here.

It's time we ran the scallywags out of town and replaced them with new scallywags.

Until last year's FA class bombed, I used to think, well they keep screwing up draft picks, but at least they make up for it in free agency. Now they can't even get that right.

Oh, any truth to the rumor the 'skins have offered their #6 overall this year for a 666 Parlay? Sixth round picks for the next three years? Maybe with the rights to Weurfel and Mo Olawanibi thrown in?

And has anyone looked into the possibility that Snyder is treating the 'skins as a loss leader? That the profit he might get from a WINNING team would be too big a tax bite for him to take? Just asking.

Posted by: Corkczar | March 21, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Damn everyone seems to be bringing out the hammer today. JLC you know I always got your back bro. However, on this one I have to disagree with you on one point. How is keeping achuletta around for another year good? You even admitted in a couple of post that the guy sucked and didn't fit well here. And that the team would cut him and take the big cap hit. How is trading him, getting a draft pick, and not taking a big hit more than a year a bad thing? Hell you shoud have put some of that rage towards double G who pushed for the guy to be here. Hell just saying his name makes me want to smack him in the back of his head. Where is my hammer? The should have traded double G a** as well.

Posted by: jm220 | March 21, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse


It's very clear that even if it seems like a quiet offseason it really isn't. There is so much turnover on this team. The main thing that has been missing since Snyder took over is stability in the Franchise.

We all thought Gibbs would provide that. To some extent he has. And they have brought in very good players through free agency as well: Moss, Washington, Portis

I think the thing that amazes us so much about the Arch deal is how they could have missed so badly? It makes me really question the scouts and the coaches. I doubt Snyder hand-picked Arch... I am sure it came from a coach/scout. It amazes me that they couldn't get along with Arrington either.

Lots of egos, lots of chefs - I still do have some optomism that this offseason is a bit better than the last one and that Gibbs will find a way to keep things consistent in the org. So far he is the longest coach that has been here since Snyder took over.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 21, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

jm220, check the cafepress site. I think your hammer is there...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 21, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Snyder anyday -- at least he is trying to field a winning team ...would rather have that than an owner who won't spend any money!

And don't ever, ever, ever doubt JOE!!!!! He will get this right! And all of you folks who are dumping on them will have to eat a little crow at some point - you know it ... he's won three superbowls and a couple Nascar championships for a reason!

The major issue with our defense last year was our offense sucked!! Brunell was terrible and the defense had no margin for error and they knew it! The Jason (the one who actually lasses them up) will make the difference.

Also - the other reason why AP didn't get more money was that Gibbs was loyal to Marcus Washington and didn't want to upset the salary structure (who was getting more money). Same thing with Doc - they weren't going to pay him more than Janson or Samuels...

JlaC -- you sound way to bitter ... maybe a little jealous of the Danny deep down!!!

Posted by: VCURAMS | March 21, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown Skins Fan damn those are some hot shirts.

Posted by: jm220 | March 21, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Ladies & Gentlemen I've spent neary 20 yeras as a writer, but I'll be darned if I ever have or, perhaps, ever will write anything as perfect as this from Jason:

"I'm sorry, but when finagling some cap gymnastics becomes grounds for front office kudos, then I give up. I mean at a certain point 8 years into an ownership tenure the team should be making moves to actually get better and not just try to find the least painful ways to flick off the scabs of repeated self-inflicted wounds."

THAT is talent!! Wow.

Posted by: Redskinrex | March 21, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

To quote the great Rums:

You have cheer for the team you have, not the team you wish you had.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 21, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Jason, The only issue I had with your post was not talking about Arch's presence in the locker room. He seems to be awful and the one talking behind all the coaches back to espn or other places. While we may not have done a great job scouting arch and keeping our guys in the past but there is no way you keep a guy who runs to espn just because he is not getting PT.

Posted by: skinfaninsanantonio | March 21, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Funny how opinions differ.....David Elfin of the Washington Times wrote "The Washington Redskins rid themselves of their biggest headache last night, trading free agent bust safety Adam Archuleta to the Chicago Bears."

Elfin also mentioned that it is believed that the Skins will use one of their June 1st exceptions so that Archuleta will only count 1.5 million against the cap this year with the rest coming in 2008.

Posted by: Lisa | March 21, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

A "loss leader" is charging $1.00 for a gallon of milk to induce customers to come into your store, where they may proceed to buy other items at full price, thereby driving up sales and profits. For the Redskins to be used as a "loss leader", they would have to be a winning team that didn't sell out the stadium; Snyder would lower the ticket prices ticket prices as "loss leader") to fill the seats and reap the incremental parking/concession sales.

There is no such thing as "too much profit" or "too big of a tax bite", since there is no marginal tax rate that exceeds 100%. The Redskins franchise (team + stadium + extras) has been a very profitable concern, regardless of how the team has performed. A winning team would likely increase profit, both before and after taxes.

To offset the gain of a profitable organization, an owner might invest in other enterprises that would produce a net loss. (For example, a small network of low-power radio stations.) Such a loss might be used to "shelter" the personal profits from a successful business.

Posted by: Adam Smith | March 21, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd be the first to admit that I thought signing AA would help the defense. I was wrong. It was obvious after three or four games that AA couldn't cover my dead mother with dirt. It's true that he shouldn't have to be a cover safety but injuries required it. I guess the question is how was he intended to be used? Could we have used him that way this year? If not, if he's not the player the team thought he was,should they change the def scheme to accomodate AA? In my opinion, he's not the player I thought he was. He was supposd to be a hitter and I can't recall any BIG hits from last season. I do recall a lot of missed tackles and long passes completed against him. Opposing teams attacked him at every opportuninty. It was a poor decision bringing him to DC. It was a poor decision paying him too much money. It was a good decision to move him. I don't think my heart could take another passing down with him on the field. No matter where he was the other offense would find him and attack. It was time to admit the mistakes made and try not to repeat them. While we as fans have every right to be bitter about past mistakes we should also be hopeful that the way free agency was conducted this year will continue in the future.

Posted by: David Jackson | March 21, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, BTW, my friends who root for the Eagles, Giants, Bucs, Cowboys, 49ers, Broncos, etc. absolutely LOVE our organization. No matter how stupid their team's management/ownership seems, they're never as bad as ours.

And they never forget to thank me for Danny's contributions to their teams. In fact some say the Redskins' free agent cast-offs and silly trades are the best part of their team's management.


Posted by: Redskinrex | March 21, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone seen my vibrator yet?

Posted by: Jenny | March 21, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskinrex, I don't know what your Giants friends can brag about....

Look at what they gave up for all the arguments between the players (Strahan, Tiki, and Shockey) and the coach. Strahan going off on the media with food in his mouth? At least we have not seen that at Redskins Park.

One more thing: I learned tonight that the G Men have 1 pick (yes, just 1) in the #20.

Posted by: Lisa | March 21, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

As an aferthought, How did the other defensive players feel about AA? Did they resent his inflated contract? What were the players opinion of his abilities? Does anyone know the answers to these questions? If the answers are negative then these could be the strongest reasons for moving AA ASAP.

Posted by: David Jackson | March 21, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

To offset the gain of a profitable organization, an owner might invest in other enterprises that would produce a net loss. (For example, a small network of low-power radio stations.) Such a loss might be used to "shelter" the personal profits from a successful business.--Adam Smith

Well it's obvious you have more business sense in your little finger than I have in my little finger, and I appreciate your take, but... I was being facetious. Businessmen in his pay grade stopped worrying about a tax bite many millions of dollars ago. Snyder has proven one thing, tho. Smarts in business don't always convey to smarts in running a winning football franchise.

Posted by: Corkczar | March 21, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Jenny - With the way the blog has been bouncing today, forget about the vibrator; just press up against your monitor instead.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason great insight and information into it all.

I have to admit I had jumped out on some past posts over the years and defended Snyder believing he wanted to win and he would learn from mistakes. Well I'll gladly take my plate of crow now and eat it. May I have some fries on the side?

Snyder is and always will be a businessman. He knows next to nothing about handling the football side of this business. I love Joe Gibbs. I'd spill blood and guts on that field for him anyday anytime. However, that's all he is...a coach. He is not a player personnel guy and NEVER will be. The fact is everyone in that front office is too stupid to look in the mirror and realize they have to change something. Gibbs said it over and over and over. "It all starts with me..blah blah blah." Well if that's the case then why have you done absolute NOTHING to this point to address the front office make up. Vinny "my eyes look like a dear caught in headlights everytime" Cerrato is not a football guy. I knew things would take a step back when he was brought back after Schottenheimer was fired. The fact is until there is a MAJOR MAJOR front office shake up...we as Skins fans can expect to see nothing more than mediocre football decisions until something is done.

It is truly a sad situation. I feel horrible for the players who have come in here and dedicated their time. They're the ones getting screwed over and it trickles out to the fans.

I will always appreciate Gibbs but I'm tired of hearing the same spiel out of his mouth and seeing things happen differently. Wake up front office. Take a good long hard look and realize the problem is you.

Posted by: Jonathan | March 21, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

When there's chit in the toilet, flush it for God's sake! Don't let it fester for another year because you think/hope/believe you're saving water.

Posted by: JAM | March 21, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I tried that and got my keyboard all messy.

Posted by: Jenny | March 21, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

People, please. Jason's not a 'Skins fan. He's a bitter reporter who just lost a source (and slept on the story until after it happened, by the by). A family member can rant about the family all they want, bring up old grievances real and perceived. A guest in the house needs to show some class.

Also, people, maybe you don't realize it but he's basically calling every single one of you who disagree with him on the Arch Deluxe trade point a retard. (Maybe he'll go back and hedge a bit, but you can see his true feelings -- they're right there on the screen.) This is kind of funny considering he wrote one of his halfassed posts asking for feedback on the trade (not every move the 'Skins have made in the past five years, mind you, just on the trade), and then, after getting feedback, changed the subject. Ah, yes, but the posters are the ones using poor logic.

Jason, just stay on top of the news. Seriously, maybe I'd give you slack for your bitter ranting if you'd have seen, say, the trade coming.


Posted by: CapPunishment | March 21, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Lets move on to what we should do next now that we got rid of Archuleta.
I would draft a defensive end with the 6th pick, cut patten, philip daniels (too old, too slow, not that good) keep wynn (hopefully can get him to renegotiate, he is versatile and a good veteran to have in the locker room)and give it another shot next year with this current team. Hopefully with J. Campbell having more experience, one more year under the new offense, hopefully with Lloyd being a year older and more mature(i know that is a stretch), the improvements on defense and with some needed luck with injuries and breaks going our way, we can get back in the playoffs. Anything can happen once you are there, look who got to the superbowl the last two years.
If we have another losing season, it will be time for Gibbs to retire, and for Danny Boy to blow it up. He can't fire himself but he should fire everyone including Cerrato, Gregg Williams, and hire a new GM, who should hire the new coach, and cut all the old and expensive guys ( Springs, Griffin, Washington, Brunnel, Lloyd). Hire a new hot young coaching prospect, like the next Payton. Dont trade away picks anymore, actually trade down as much as you can and get more picks. It worked for Jimmy Johnson!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | March 21, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

JLC, I am not sure why you are so determined to paint the TRADE of Arch as mistake. If you make the point that signing him was huge mistake, I am sure you will get 100% agreement. Getting rid of him will help team chemistry, morale and coach/player relationship, which was (as pointed out by your paper) strained last season both before and after Arch (aka: the leak) ripped the coaches publicly.

The Times opened this story with "The Washington Redskins rid themselves of their biggest headache last night, trading free agent bust safety Adam Archuleta to the Chicago Bears." I would say thats much closer to the truth.

I am still shaking my head that Chicago would take on a bunch of his money, and even give us a draft pick. We could have come out of this much worse.

Posted by: Jason | March 21, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I am in no way trying to blow smoke up your butt however, KUDOS. I am a life long Redskins fan dating a bit back before Saint Joe Part I, however this article got right down to the truth which isn't always pleasureable and sometimes makes you uncomfortable. Being a long time fan I have agreed with many of your assessments. However while reading this article I hade a smile on my face in agreement and aliteral pain in ,my chest knowing that as unwanted as it was, your article was the truth. I consider myself an intelligent man and an unwavering fan, however your article had me questioning if my being a fan, which I will never compromise, has left me a bit deluded concerning the Team? Does being a fan mean bac king your teams decision even when you know they are wrong? I will never betray my loyalty to The Redskins however does that come at the sacrifice of my own common sense?

Thank you

Posted by: Rufus | March 21, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye JLC

Posted by: DANNY BOY | March 21, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Way to blog your guts out today!

Love the t-shirts! :-)

Archuleta had to go. He didn't want to be here, the coaches didn't want him, his departure is win-win all around.

Folks have to get off the "Fire Snyder" thing. It's a pointless exercise. If you want to fire "Mr." Snyder, you have to get fans to stop renewing season tickets and buying merchandise en masse. In a city like DC, where the 'Skins are still a hot ticket, that's not likely.

Lastly, as far as decision making goes, I've said it before, I'll say it again. The decision-making process on the team is broken. They need a coach (St. Joe), a personnel guy with enough gravitas to butt heads with a HOF coach, and an owner willing to mediate between the two. Right now, all of the decision-making power is skewed to the coach and owner, with no one, at a minimum, playing devil's advocate, or, at best, offering a contrarian position.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 21, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to be so heavy, just been alot of tough seasons with "The Danny".

Posted by: Rufus | March 21, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Lots of folks missing the point here. Jason is just calling it like he sees it. He's just commenting on the stupidity of the FO, that's it. He doesn't hate the team, he's just pointing out how the FO decisions look really stupid when measured over time. Stop hating, he's absolutely right. I just think they really are getting better. He might disagree with me on that.

Comparisons of JLC to a certain overweight espn writer are uncalled for.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 21, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second everyone, HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!!! We are making way too much out of a very little thing!!!! So we signed a player, it didn't work out, he said some stuff that was detrimental to the team to a reporter, and then we traded him after 1 season. Big F***ing Deal!!!!!! We have done this countless times. We made a mistake by taking Archuleta, we all know that. He was not worth that $5 mil just took us 7 weeks into the season to figure that out. So we trade him, get a little bit of value out of it, and save some cap space. If he was gonna make a difference in 2007, why didn't he make one in 2006?? It is bullsh** to think that he would have been some amazing player this year, and then we would get a 2nd round pick for him. That is insane!! He would have eventually been gone, he needs to move on, he wouldn't have been happy here, and we need to move on. This isn't little league where everyone's feelings are important, this is a business. So Joe and Danny made a surprise...lets cut our losses and move on. Damn, we are acting like Archuleta was worth something...he is not even worth this bandwidth!!!!!!

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | March 21, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Cap Punishment is spot on!!!! Even Adam Schefter or whatever his name is, saw this deal coming. I still love you, JLaC; I just think you are making this thing seem way bigger than it actually is...he was not a saint, he was not a good football player or locker room influence for us, and it was time to go. Do you have a secret relationship with ArchDeluxe that we need to know about???

Posted by: Macaca Johnson | March 21, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that the moves made in the offseason are purely for jersey sales. We get that now. But I think people are defending this move because it was time to move on from this guy. We always pay for our mistakes in past moves, there is no way around that. I actually think the moves they made this offseason have made sense, and if they do in fact pull the trigger on this deal to acquire draft picks with Denver, at least they have the chance to 'right some wrongs'. Granted, the decisions of the past leave little opitmism, but nonetheless, the potential to build this from the draft and rid themselves of an expensive mistake is a little bit of shine on things.

Posted by: ryry | March 21, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

with all the trade talks dealing with the redskins and their #6 pick please tell us what and might have merits

Posted by: gowen | March 21, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

You are an idiot....

Not only are you about 2 hours late breaking this story you are a complete idiot. Lets pay him another 5 million dollar bonus to be a cheer leader for the next 2 years and then cut him in 2010 and take a 6 million dollar hit then. There is not doubt they made a huge mistake, just one on a list of many, signing this hard hitting/non covering safety. Your suggestions to keep him around are just as bad as the decision to sign him in the first place.


Posted by: nonon | March 21, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

nonon, you're the idiot my friend.

two hours late? what are you talking about.

without me you would have never know about the decision to push back the original bonus deadline.
without my story in Sat. paper you would have never know when the new deadline was and that the bears were trying to get him.
no else reported about his offseason surgery in San Fran. and there will a bunch more previously unreported stuff in the paper tomorrow.

On the day of the trade the other paper in town called in "unlikely." bro, you're fighing a losing battle. stick to challenging the neighborhood kids to games of playstation and hashing out that paper route of yours. it might lead to big things one of these days.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 21, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: nonon | March 21, 2007 09:33 PM

Please go back to extremeskins or warpath or wherever it is you came from.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind. I see JLaC was already up here and gave you the hammer to the back of the head.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

We all know that Gibbs is extremely loyal to his players, but will honor player's desire to leave the team. We let Ramsey go for next to nothing because he wasn't happy here. We let Lavar go, and Lavern go too. So why is it so surprising that we let Arch go?

On the other hand, I wish we had let go of failures such as Patton, Hall, and even Brunell much earlier. Gibbs is quite patient, unless you complain or disrupt the harmony of the team.

Posted by: palladia | March 21, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone remembered that AA was also injured last year? Another reason he was riding the pine. He was able to use the time to heal, he was quoted as saying late in the season. Or maybe it was his agent saying that, so he might generate some interest among other teams?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse


I got the same, desperate, email again from the Redskins too. I feel like they send me an email every day telling me that my invoice isn't in yet.

For anyone to think that list is actually 200,000 names, or even 20,000 realistic buyers, is fooling themselves. The Skins will be fighting to fill that dump of a stadium AGAIN this year.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 21, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Seriously... some of you guys have no clue. JLC bust his arse to keep this blog up to date and you have the audacity (sp?) to call him an idiot?

jm, sorry bud, but I need to give this guy a double smack... and hopefully that pushes him out into oncoming traffic.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 21, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

RB- I know you're right. And the part about no longer being eligible for "seat upgrades"...the more I think about it, the more I like the upgrade I'll be making watching the games on my tv while my daughter learns to walk!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Damn, peeps! lots of piss and vinegar today.

just remember its Danny wasting his own money, not ours.

there are clearly two schools of thoughts on how they could have dealt with AD. Let's see how they actually **USE** next year's cap space they cleared - then we can evaluate.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 21, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Paps- Good evening. Or actually, good Thursday morning, I guess. I think the team owned blog must've been down today, because there were a ton of new people up here making waves, calling people names, and generally being annoying

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse


yeah, the "hurry or you won't be eligible for a seat upgrade" made me laugh outloud.

Just this off-season, I received about 3 calls from them on club seats, 45 emails about my invoice, and they even mailed my invoice twice... I'm not joking. They are flat out hurting for renewals. It's painfully obvious to see...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 21, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a virginia native living in Chicago. The skins remind me of the Cubs-the ownership does enough "bread and circus" BS in the offseason to keep the turnstiles turning. That, I think, is Snyders goal. He get's excused as just a big old fan trying to buy a championship but I think the goal of his offseason splash sighnings (misspelled on purpose) is to keep people in the area talking and renewing season tickets. I think we overlook that he is an extremely successful businessman. He may love the skins but I bet he love a lil money more. and it works-most valuable franchise, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

RB- So now we can count two non-renewals. Hey, it's a start. Keep our money out of danny's hands. That's the only power we have. Let the *ahem* 200K on the list have at it!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

LOL Jason, for once the 'Skins are actually thinking about more than just this year and you're having trouble with it. I know it's a new concept at Redskins Park, but thinking a bit more about now should be welcomed. Let's not make this a bash Danny or the FO type thing. Granted, you can make the point that the 6th equals nothing because our FO can't find any talent past the first least that is what our latest history tells us.

Posted by: Biz | March 21, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Baby...finally...done...fussing. She's off to sleep. So am I

Posted by: 4-12 | March 21, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

In my best Rick Pitino voice, "A new Redksins owner is not walking through that door. A new GM is not walking through that door. Darryl Green [or insert name of your fave playmaker or chemistry guy here] is not walking through that door ..."

Like your family, you have to live with the FO dysfunction and player carousel -- this is life with the cap.

Let's hope JLaC has gotten it out of his system for now. I too am curious for some other news not involving AD.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 21, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse


Very interesting reading tonight. I have only posted here once or twice before, but I read regularly. JLC, I don't think I'll be reading your stuff anymore. Disagreeing with is one thing, but seeing an apparent "personal grudge" that YOU have, I don't think I can comfortably continue to read your work. That's a shame.

I do find it interesting that you are about the ONLY one who really seems to BELIEVE that keeping him was the best thing to do. Thos who have a greed with you on this blog are just as pi@#%d off at the Skins as you are, and that's never productive. You talked about the Skins holding grudges, what are you doing? Not being objective.

And why haven't you answered any of the qestions or "challenges to your thought process"? This is a very long page of blogging, and I have read through the whole thing(I know Im sick) and I kept thinking as I scrolled down "where is his response to these?" But it never really came.


Posted by: BluCollar Guy | March 21, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse


That was pure genius. Way to hold nothing back. I HAVEN'T HEARD SOMEONE RIP INTO THE DANIEL LIKE THAT EVER. I mostly agree with you. However, as much as you, I or anyone out there can write a book on the blunders that Dan Snyder has made throughout his tenure as owner, he still has fielded a very talented team that can easily make a run and win a championship next year. At some point you have to point the fingers for the underachievement and disarray of the team to the coaching staff. Snyder does not make the personnel moves. If Gibbs says I want this guy on my team for whatever reason
(maybe Gibbs likes what he saw on film or maybe it was a recommendation from an assistant coach) he will go to Snyder and Snyder will make it happen. Plus, this is a team that is on its way up. Yeah, I said it. This is the NFL, a team can go from the outhouse to the penthouse in one season. The Redskins have good pieces. It's up to Joe Gibbs to make it work. These are the players and coaches he has chosen to ride or die with. This is the season for him to cut a hole in his shorts, place his marbles on the table, and make it happen just like The Daniel makes deals happen.

Posted by: gbanian | March 21, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I can take, and certainly agree with, the comments about The Danny and the front office.

But when you trash Joe Gibbs, I draw the line. Yes, last year wasn't a good one. Lots of blame to go around. But the year before wasn't so bad, was it? I remember flying to Tampa to watch Joe Gibbs coach a team to victory with a crippled quarterback. And I was in Seattle in the rain when he almost coached them to victory there (if brick-handed Carlos Rogers had caught that pass that Hasselbeck through right to him...).

With Joe Gibbs as our coach, we always have a chance to win the Lombardy Trophy.

Posted by: Mike Diamond | March 21, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

It's a worst to first League. Any team (except the Cardinals) can win it all if they get on a roll and stay healthy.

Oh, and maybe the "Cardinals of the East", the Washington Redskins.

I kid because I love.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 21, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

J La-C,

Gibbs golden rule: keep the dirty laundry in-house. Players that talk dirt to reporters rather than in-house get the heave-ho. If it's true AD was the leak in the ESPN blasting of double-G and the D staff as a whole, he had to go via Gibbs axiom. Ditto for LaVar.

Notice Dale Lindsay also got the heave-ho when he spoke negatively about Arrington before the first Giants game. Of course, I think it's more likely that Lindsay got the boot because McIntosh was not responding to his coaching style. I've got McI tagged as a studious, introspective type a la Carter. So, he was not going to grow under a neanderthal screamer like Lindsay.

Despite all the many negatives in personnel decisions, which you document very well and which I have no problems with -- I am still somewhat optimistic about Gibbs IV, Saunders II, Williams IV, Campbell II, Portis IV, Moss III, Cooley III, Lloyd II, Smoot Re-dux, Rogers III, Taylor IV.

I think the team could compete for the division title -- in spite of the total mismanagement of personnel decisions.

Posted by: McNuggets in Texas | March 21, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Mike - you're right on the money. Gibbs never gets the respect he deserves from the national media, but you think he would get it from the media that covers the team and Skin's fans. The team had a bad year last year - but what other coach has had a 15 year career and their worst season is 5-11 (not to mention the 3 Superbowl wins with 3 different QB's and RB')?

As you correctly point out, even in his "debacle" of a return to coaching he got the Skin's to the second round of the playoffs with an overmatched and injured team. What he did in 2005 was no less of a feat than what the "genius" Andy Reid did last year - but Gibbs gets none of the same respect - amazing! And you're right - with Gibbs as coach we always have a chance to win it all, and if it is like the old days, this is a prime year with everyone writing him and the Skins off.

Coaching is what matters in the NFL and over a 16 game season and the playoffs, I would take the Skins talent with Gibbs coaching over the Chargers talent with Norv Turner coaching anytime.

Posted by: Greg in NC | March 21, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Will this post be out in hard back or soft back first?ha!

Nice # crunchin'!!!

Posted by: Pink C.C.- | March 21, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

blu collar guy - nothing personal about, baby, just business.

as for your deparure, you'll be missed. we hardly knew ye. godspeed. i am pouring a little bit of my 40 Oz. out on the floor of my basement right now. seriously. honestly.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 21, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

If I (still) didn't have the flu, I'd join you, JLaC, with a can of Schlitz. Or two.

Whoever thought shotgunning beer would be so much fun?

Posted by: P Diddy | March 21, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse


Can we just move on from Arch Deluxe. He lasted as long in Washington as the sandwich did at McDonalds.

Any word on if the Skins might be interested in Sammy McKnight at Strong Safety? KC just released him today and the guy has a knack at making interceptions.

Might be a decent veteran prescence to go along with Taylor at Safety.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | March 21, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, pretty much everything beer-related is by its very nature, fun.
C-A-P-S - they have 5 safeties under contract now - the magic number - and could always for depth but I would imagine that addressing the D Line will carry the day as the draft approaches.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 21, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

achuletta is gone so quit talkin about hes over there in chicago kissin lovies ass.

Posted by: xpac69 | March 21, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I want to hate these posts JLaC but I cant....ur pretty much right. Yet I a fan and u are not....and I hope you get proved embarrassingly wrong, but you prolly will be validated on a weekly basis for 16 sundays next fall....

Damn you and your sense making!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | March 21, 2007 11:55 PM | Report abuse

IMO one shouldn't take what Jason says at face value. His motive is to get everybody blogging, so he says controversial things and behold, everyone responds.

The thing about GW's D is that certain players fit and some don't. Trotter didn't fit, but he fit well in the Eagles' system. Arrington might have played well somewhere if he'd stayed healthy. But LBs in GW's system need to be able to cover, CBs need to be able to blitz, and so forth. This year they finally wised up and stuck with players they know fit the system. That meant bringing back Omar and Smoot, and bringing in Fletcher who's played for GW before. This represents a new approach. It shows they are aware of their mistakes and are trying to learn from them.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I have to say Blue Collar made a good point. Jason hasn't defended any of his positions when an contradictory opinion has been made, but yet he has been quick to pounce in his replies when they are direct attacks on him, going so far as to name call by calling a poster an idiot. As a writer, who on here and in the paper, has critisized pretty much everyone in the Redskins front office since the end of the season one would think you would have thicker skin.

I won't stop reading you like Blue Collar b/c I think you are a go getter and a very good writer, but remember one thing when you're insulting Redskins fans in general and individually. You're a writer in DC, and history tells us that in 5-10 years you'll have another gig or be covering a different DC team. Us, we're Redskins fans now and for the rest of our lives. When you're long gone, we'll still be here and still be cheering for the Redskins and probably in about 2 months of you leaving you'll be forgotten. The Redskins and Joe Gibbs won't.

Posted by: CVille | March 22, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Over the past 7 years the skins have run the same offense 2 consecutive years only once.
2000 turner
2001 schottz
2002 +2003 skins replaced by fla. gators
2004 gibbs
2006 Saunders

in 2007 they will be running the same offense again. i am probably blinded by my love of the team but this gives me a good feeling for next year. We still need a DE, DT, SS or if springs plays safety, a cb, but if the offense comes close to its potential, a so-so defense could be enough if they get hot at playoff time (see indy). plus they are still making moves and there is 6/1 cuts to come. I think they might just be on the way up using the stability approach.

(just trying to change up the subject because the 500 posts today about AA are quite repetitive)

Posted by: bobolak | March 22, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to Web 2.0; betcha they didn't cover this in J-school...
This is an odd fight, with one side with all the background and the other with all the investment. We're all a bunch of Joe-the-fans, with only a trickle of real knowledge of how the machine in Ashburn works. Meanwhile, Jason is a lot closer to the players, the situation, the 'vibe' from the park. How can you not respect that?
As a specific example, we sit on the blog guessing about the identity of Deep Cover. Do you honestly think for a moment that Jason doesn't have a 99.999% idea of who it is? [And, for the record, I'm neither expecting nor asking him to tell -- just observing that his unique access gives him a perspective that none of the rest of us have.]
That said, is Deep Cover getting a physical in Chicago or working out in Arizona?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 22, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Good point, bobolak.
It's also the first time in many many years that we have the same offense AND defense 2 consecutive years. (Can't remember if Rhodes was our coordinator in 99, so I'll start in '00)

Year Offense Defense
2000: Turner Rhodes
2001: Marty Marty's Brother
2002: Spurrier Lewis
2003: Spurrier Edwards
2004: Gibbs Williams
2005: Gibbs Williams (PLAYOFFS!)
2006: Saunders Williams

Posted by: Diesel | March 22, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

First of all, lots of passion from EVERYONE today. JLC feels the way he does, and no one will change that. That's his opinion and that's what we're here for - if you want just the facts, you should only read Jason La Canfora, the Skins beat writer as he appears in the published paper and not this blog .

All in all, the ArchDeluxe trade is for me is like cheering for a middle reliever celebrating a 1-2-3 inning when his team is losing a 17 - 3. It's depressing, but it's still a step in the right direction longterm.

I'm in the camp that says we're better off without Arch Deluxe for two reasons:

1) The bottom 20 players of your roster must be able to contribute. That's how the Patriots win when they have injuries - depth guys who can play when called upon. Arch was benched for Vincent (cut by Buffalo) and Fox (street free agent). He was unlikely to significantly contribute in '07, so we'd better off with any backup at any position who has a chance to make a positive impact.

2) The sixth round pick is mitigated by the cap relief. If the Skins had paid the $5 million bonus, then the 6th would be insufficient. But the Bears picked up 90% of that PLUS wiped his future cap charges off the Skins books. Even if Arch the player is better than a 6th pick, the Bears are taking the player AND his contract situation. I look at it this way - Ron Artest the player is worth a first round pick, but any team trades for him gets the player AND his legal/personal woes. You have to balance out all circumstances when weighing the worth of a trade.

Posted by: Skinny | March 22, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

also, why is everyone so high on the mediocre class of d ends in the draft. Anderson had 1 year of decent play and collected most of his 13 sacks against guys who will never see a training camp. adams is quick but undersized (so was freeney) but he got stoned by the best tackles in the acc, who are not exactly walter jones. branch has weight issues and scouts question his motor and his desire. the loisville kid is only 19 and a major project (he could be amazing in 3 years though). I dont think any of them are worth #6. I am praying that calvin johnson falls, which is very unlikely (i hear tampa is a lock to take him) but he is special (think TO without the suicide attempts). if not, landry is a man among men and him playing centerfield while #21 ends a couple players careers with hits is a good way to make up for the AA affair. that would leave a de rotation of daniels,wynn and whoever they pull off the scrapheap june 1. not exactly great but could be servicable if carter and griffin step up thier games. its alittle backwards to build a d from the secondary up as most teams with great d's have dominant lines but the thought of passing on a stud like landry to take a lineman who is clearly less talented is terrible. that is why the skins are 5-11 and the ravens and patriots are perenial playyoff teams. we draft for need and they draft for best skills available. i hope this trend stops this year like the free spending has.

Posted by: bobolak | March 22, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse


do you really think the d will be better this year with only fletcher and smoot added. remember that marshall has to learn a new position plus preauxlo (spelling??????) is coming off a major injury and has never starte a whole season in the first place. i look for carter to be big and golston should continue to improve but all in all its pretty close to the same d that was what 31st last year. My heart says the small changes and general continuity will work but logically it looks like a longshot.

Posted by: bobolak | March 22, 2007 1:12 AM | Report abuse


Many solid points. I disagree wholeheartedly with one statement however. It was a GREAT move to get rid of LC and to pick up Moss in the process. From a talent standpoint we got a better player. But more importantly, JG said "If you don't want to be here, we'll do our best to accomodate you"...and he did that. That's something I'd buy into if I was a player.

Knowing the limited information that I know, I do wish they kept Archuleta and tried to use him more wisely. I think there would have been some good vibes there. But maybe he was more cancerous than many of us know. Kind of sounds like he didn't want to be here. In some ways you can't blame him but what came first, the chicken or the egg? It'll be very interesting to see what Gibbs says about this one.

I continue to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt, and I still think that he's moving the franchise in a good direction. He's shown tremendous flexibility to adapt for a HOF coach (giving up playcalling to Saunders, who he perceived to be better than him; allowing the players to work out on their own this offseason; making key efforts to retain current players rather than chase others). Give him his respect there. He's open to anything. He's way more humble than he needs to be, and in the final analysis that is truly one of his greatest strengths.

I think they have the talent to succeed (even win a Super Bowl this year--there, I said it). There do need to be key structural adaptations in coaching on the defensive side of the ball. In my opinion, Gibbs probably gave GW and the defensive coaches too much freedom and I'd bet that he took some of that back already.

They need to stay healthy at a few key spots (QB most of all). But most importantly, it's about getting the guys to believe in something, rally around it, and come together. Gibbs the man can still do that, and I trust his decision here.

Posted by: flizzo | March 22, 2007 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Look man, everyone agrees that the FO made a mistake of trying to fit AA in a position he clearly wasn't fit for and paid him way too much money to do it.

You think it would be a good idea to continue to pound the square peg into a round hole and continue to pay exorbiant amounts of money for the privelage.

Even if AA was worked into the defense, he still would have been paid too much for his position.

The mistake was recognized and corrected. I don't know if "kudos" are deserved, but the FO made the right decision this time.

Stop trying to spin this for something its not.

Posted by: pjg | March 22, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I realize they had a sucky season and the FO is dysfunctional however, trading Archuleta is certainly not anything to get on a rant about.

THERE! there's the problem right there.

No Lisa, they did NOT have A sucky season. they had a sucky DECADE under snyder. by implying that it was "a" sucky season you're inferring that "a" sucky season is an anomoly when in fact under snyder it's been a norm.

They actually had a good season. after 8 bad ones.

i love my skins. please don't turn them into the cubs. "the lovable losers" of the east.

Posted by: dealer | March 22, 2007 2:12 AM | Report abuse


You claim "nothing personal about, baby, just business."

I don't buy it, and judging from many of the responses to your last post, a lot of others don't buy it either. The nicknames are a good example: "the Danny," "uncle junior," etc. This conveys a sense of insult and condescension from you towards the people to whom these nicknames refer.

Your personal feelings come through loud and clear. Ok, we get it - you don't like the owner, you think Vinny Cerrato is a joke, the FO as a whole can't do anything right.

How about in the future, you skip all that and just report, K?

Posted by: Rennypolis | March 22, 2007 2:19 AM | Report abuse

When the trade is completed, Atlanta and Houston will flip-flop first-round picks in April's draft, and Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. The deal will be announced Thursday. Houston has the No. 8 pick in the first round of the draft, while Atlanta is slotted 10th.

Now that's a good trade! they could've done this with ramsey the year gibbs came.

Posted by: dealer | March 22, 2007 2:22 AM | Report abuse


Take er easy dude. you need to save some of that emotion for the delivery room.

Archbingus kissed and told; he sucked; they realized it and they got rid of him. Cutting your losses is savvy business and it's long-term thinking.

That's just like my opinion man.


Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | March 22, 2007 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Not sure I still think this is a win-win from wjhat I keep hearing. Yes, the Redskins save some cap money, but it is costing them more now that he is gone than what it is costiong the Bears to play him. I also do NOT think he's the MOLE for the ESPN report. My guess is somewhere in the LB Corps...they have perview to see what is going on in the defensive backfield as well, from a coaching and coordination standpoint.

Posted by: fred | March 22, 2007 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I also believe, that when the Bears come to FedEx this year, Mr. Archuletta may get two INTs, two sacks and about 8 tackles...WHY?? Because he will be used to suit his playing style...close to the LOS, a hybrid safety-LB, and he gets to run down hill. People have forgotten that until his benching last year, he was the team's LEADING tackler...GO FIGURE...and you bench the Leading Tackler? Someone show me statistically how the team got better when he went to the sidelines? Hmmmm? I actually think they got worse...ask Tiki Barber....

Posted by: fred | March 22, 2007 7:05 AM | Report abuse


Does this NOT SCREAM for a true GM to be on this team? I'm tired of the BS posturing of Snyder's distaste when a Player sours on him...Vinny is laughed about everywhere I go, and the fact the some of the team coaches were planning on using Archie up until we heard of this trade smacks of the owner's impetuous ways..What happened to you Joe Gibbs? What happened? So much for you trying to hold everything together, even when it's a little painful to do so...>

We can sit back and smile when we see that AD (as you call him) makes the Pro-Bowl because he is used the RIGHT you hear me Greg-(Head in the Sand) Williams? And if that Redskins' safeties coach is so bad, why is he still here? The LB coach is gone, so why not the other guy?
Just last week I was feeling the withdrawals of NO FOOTBALL, but now, I'd just assume to skip ahead in a time machine for when the Danny Boy had sold the team, and was off playing Scientology Guru.

Posted by: Fred | March 22, 2007 7:24 AM | Report abuse

From the looks of your picture and context of your remarks, I gather that you never played football. Arch was poison and so was Coles. Plus, if we didn't get rid of Coles, we would have never gotten Moss (huge upgrade). To criticize the original signing of Arch and the loss of Clark (for a lot less $$$) is legitmate. Getting rid of Arch is not a fair criticism. You can't have guys like that in a locker room. If you played, you would know. Ask Dallas - TO. Pierce was good, but its not like the Giants are going anywhere. Plus, he gets hurt a lot. All this stuff is 20/20 hindsight. The Redskins missed the playoffs last year. We won't find out if its a trend until the season starts. I for one, think things will turn out ok.

Posted by: Dave | March 22, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to get off JLC's a$$. I lived in Tampa for the past four years and rely on the post and the insider to keep me updated on what's going on with my Skins'. Unfortunately, everything JLC said is true, the truth hurts and we all have to accept it. My question, why didn't Gibbs fire the coach in the ESPN article who was pouting and causing all those problems?

Posted by: RichInTampa | March 22, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Great thoughts Jason!

The only thing i feel that I can add to your extremely accurate post is that all of the mistakes of the past (and yes there have been a lot) are "sunk costs" and as an economist I believe that we shouldn't allow sunk costs to dictate future decisions. This is the first year, IN A LONG TIME, that I feel the Redskins are starting to make good business decisions that will translate to W's on the field. They didn't break the bank on big name free agents and they have re-signed quality players from last season at market value without over-paying for Dockery (who is a good player but not worth Hutchinson money). Moreover, they have extended the contracts of good players with a strong work ethic (Jansen and Sellers). Now if they decide to cut Springs I think that will be a huge mistake but so far so good. Its time to start rebuilding through the draft and keeping the players that we draft IF the money is reasonable. In short, its time to start copying the Patriots.

Posted by: Nathan | March 22, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I've been a little critical of JLC in the past but this blog post is right on the money.

Fellow Redskins fans, sometimes the truth hurts. Suck it up.

Posted by: Newest JLC Fan | March 22, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow, after reading through this abysmal hate filled blog and the responses I can only conclude with 89.68783 accuracy that most of you are Baltimore fans. So says George're going to like the way you look.

Posted by: George Zimmer founder of mens warehouse | March 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

You just convinced me to give up my skins season tickets. Great post, right on the money. This pretty much sums up all of my frustrations with this team for the past few years.

My thought when they signed AD in the first place was that we essentially gave up Ryan Clark for AD, and I thought at best that was an equal trade talent-wise (certainly not worth the extra $8 mil a year AD was getting).

Anyway, thanks for helping me see the is hard to justify continuing to give Snyder my money.

P.S. - lest I be accused of being a baltimore fan, the ravens suck!

Posted by: ex ticket holder | March 22, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

So you're a philosopher?
I think very deeply

JLaC dont play around nor does he F around
And you can tell by the FO bodies that are left around
When some FO move jumps up to get beat down
Broken down to its very last compound
See how it sounds? a little unrational
A lot of Insiders like to use the word dramatical! Fresh for '07 you suckas.

- My Philosophy (sort of) by KRS One

Way to put things in perspective JLaC. Excellent blog post.

Posted by: LH | March 22, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone is arguing that things done in the past (starting with Ryan Clark) were good. But whats been done is done. Unloading Archaleta and putting them in a position to retain their players and sign free agents down the road was the best thing they could do now to help the team.

Posted by: Paul S | March 22, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Stoudmire > Archuleta

There's some football talk for you.

Posted by: RedSauce | March 22, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

They've made some good moves in the past 8 years too, haven't they.

(I'm just sayin'...)

Posted by: Cap'n Super | March 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

WOW ! I've never read one of these things all the way through.
All agree that Arch was not a foot ball fit
because he could not cover and was required to do so in the coaches' scheme. (Why this was a surprise is unclear.)
Maybe he could have been used in some fashion short of revising the whole system, too, but no one has answered the "chemistry" issue( Raised by Dave,Maccacca Johnsom and David Jackson among others) which would be fatal even if he were still a potentially useful player. I saw what Mike P saw and was shocked when Taylor immediately jumped and to his feet and huffed off when Arch sat down as if to offer some comment or encouragement after a Taylor miscue, as I recall it. Did anyone else see that? I read it as very negative, but was it reflective of a team wide attitude, or was it just a product of my over active imagination? I don't recall Jason or anyone else commenting in the press about it.

Posted by: jaka | March 22, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

To all the fair-weather fans (summer soldiers and sunshine patriots all of you) cancelling their season tickets: the real Skins fans thank you for removing your boo-ing, quiet on third down, "down in front" weak sauce from what should be the loudest house in the NFL.

To JLC: I agree with your strong criticism of the seemingly high number of low value personnel moves, and agree that scouting appears to be a major organizational weakness right now. I was a huge AP fan when he was here and couldn't understand how Clark wasn't worth the tiny money he was asking. However, you should acknowledge that the Skins do seem to be held to a higher standard and are simply experiencing what *most* of the other teams in the NFL are: difficulty in a post-cap world where irrational demand for instant success results in little or no player or coaching continuity. You might also recognize that continuity is the key to making the playoffs (see, eg, Patsies, Seahawks, Eagles). Finally, a little respect for Coach Joe, please. The man's worth is appropriately measured by far more than the tally of Ws and Ls over the past 3 seasons.

Posted by: Nick | March 22, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Of course Jason dislikes the Redskins. Has anyone ever known a Ravens fan who doesn't? Still; these last two blogs have been especially bitter. Hmm... often times, bitterness comes after a bad experience. For example, a bitter divorce, or a bitter memory, such as the Colt's beating the Ravens in the playoffs... but that was last year.

Posted by: Peyton Manning | March 22, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If you read this far thank you for the most revealing info from the WashPost via that diatribe. I hope you did not regret a word. Your piece was not that revealing for me, but it was a confirmation to my suspicions. Frankly, there a B1tch running the skins now. Whoever it is, is too moody and fickle. And just like a woman that is an impulse buyer, they have no focus or long term plan. They just assume all the high priced goods will work together. This entire offseason appears to be all about correcting past mistakes. Yesterday they resign Omar Stoutmire, another player they let go. They bring back Smoot. Hell, can we go back to when we did not even offer Stephen Davis a contract and the guy goes to the Superbowl with Carolina! I have been a life long fan, and I know my support is waning. The management is so poor I am too disgusted by the product. I go into training camp disgusted. Snyder has to go. Instead of running the team like a big marketing promotion, he needs to run the team like a firm based on solid goals, mission and focus and a plan to get there. Every offseason they have a new plan. It is obvious. The first part is undo their prior mistakes and buy, buy, buy players. Signing Lloyd and Randle el was a prime example last year. Either they paid Randle El $8M to return punts or they blew it. We did not need 2 more receivers on top of Patton, who they kept around so others would not get him. The fascination with the DB Bly is another case in point. Springs for his history has been relatively healthy with the skins. Springs was just the savior to make us forget Champ. Springs was out much of last year based on the faulty medical suggestion of Redskin doctors. They said it should heal with rest, but in August they suggest surgery. 7 months after the initial injury. But now they want 30 yr old Drew Bly and probably have agreed to double his pay. So springs is supposed to be a gentlemen and take a pay cut at $5.5M when the market will definitely pay him that. That's just plain stupid.

Posted by: RobGreg | March 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse


that was the most rambling incoherent response i have ever heard. we are all now dumber for having listened to it. i award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul

Posted by: bobolak | March 22, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with this team? Honestly. I mean, a couple of high schoolers could run the front office better. Doesn't Gibbs have any say? One minute we hear Gibbs saying "we're keeping arch, he's in our plans" the next minute he's traded. Then arch makes comments eluding to "there's a whole lot more going on at redskins park then people want to know or understand." What does that mean? The list goes on: Pierce, Clark, Robert Royal (now we are worrying about TE depth), Smoot etc. Looks like another subpar year.

Posted by: Erik | March 26, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

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