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Art Monk Snubbed Again

Well, Art is out, still. I am sure you guys will be enraged, and rightfully so.

I've been trying to get this up for an hour now, but wireless is a problem on the beach. From what we heard, Art did not even make the final cut, which was a surprise. A lot of prominent writers are in his camp now, but clearly not enough.

I know the Redskins and some former Skins, like Charles Mann, were really optimistic this year, so much so that it seemed like Art, who doesn't really do the media, was likely going to do a few press conferences.

So, have at it, people. Relieve your bile here.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 3, 2007; 3:14 PM ET
 
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Irvin was far and away much better

Posted by: Anonymous | February 3, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm a diehard Cowboy fan and I'll admit that Monk is getting jerked. As much as Irvin deserved to make it this year (and two years before that) Monk deserved to make it as well. Myopic selectors....

Posted by: Ramo | February 3, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know what to say. . . .

Irvin before Monk? What?!? How far up your a## does your head have to be?

No Irvin was not far and away much better. What records does he hold? One? Monk had a bunch that were broken by Rice the greatest receiver in NFL history. Monk did it with what 5 different QBs? I am getting madder and madder as I sit here.

Posted by: sfskin | February 3, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Former Buffalo Bills QB Jim Kelly, on Art Monk:
"I still can't believe he's not in."

Posted by: Jason's editor | February 3, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess the road trip is off. We could always still charter a bus and go to Art Monk's house. Hey Jim Kelly, thanks for dressing up for the occasion.

Posted by: SMACK | February 3, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The fact that they could let a second rate all flash coke snorting fool like Michael Irvin in and yet again snub the greatest reciever of his era is disgusting. I have no faith at all in the pro football hall of fame.

Posted by: ERock | February 3, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

You guys probably shouldn't watch this.

Posted by: SMACK | February 3, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have just released statements from Daniel Snyder and Joe Gibbs.
Snyder:

"A good man and legitimate Hall of Famer is being denied entry for reasons we never know, by people who secretly vote. Art Monk is a Hall of Famer by any measure. This is not right."

Gibbs:

"I'm disappointed that Art wasn't recognized for election into the Hall of Fame today, but I remain confident that he will be recognized for all the positive contributions he has brought to the game. I can't think of a more deserving player or person that possesses more Hall of Fame credentials than Art."

Posted by: Cindy | February 3, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the voters think Irvin deserves it because he's on TV all the time either as analyst or in a story about his cokehead problems. Just like he was as a player.

Monk on the other hand went out played like a genius NEVER did a celebration dance in the endzone just handed the ball to the ref and jogged off to the sideline. Didn't have to have his face on TV and was and remains a class act all around.

$*(&%!@)#$*#)($*&@#$(*R%&!@*E$@#)(@#)(*

Posted by: sfskin | February 3, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Come on now, are you going to keep Favre out because he was popping more pills than Betty Ford? Irvin's not keeping Monk out.

Posted by: SMACK | February 3, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

F@#$%^&*&^%$#@$%^*&^%$#@#$%^&*(*&^^%$#@@#$%$#%@#$%%%%$#%%%$#ck

Posted by: Old School | February 3, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OUCH!

Posted by: Your shift key | February 3, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Receptions:
Monk: 940
Irvin: 750
Swann: 336
Stallworth:537
Career Yards:
Monk: 12,271
Irvin: 11,904
Swann: 5,462
Stallworth: 8723
Career Touchdowns:
Monk: 68
Irvin: 65
Swann: 51
Stallworth: 63
So looking in these three main categories (Recep., Yds., and TD's Art Monk had better numbers than all three of these Hall of Famers!! So what is the problem????

Posted by: Rudy | February 3, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

How the hell did I get in before Art Monk.

Posted by: Wehrli | February 3, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but wonder why there is this disconnect between what we think and what the requisite number of HOF voters think. This is a travesty.

Monk needs to throw a little tantrum like Harry Carson did after being snubbed for years, pulling his name out of consideration. That got Carson elected. But I bet Monk has too much class to pull a stunt like that, ever the gentleman.

F the Hall of Fame voters. F THEM.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 3, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Monk should be in the hall of fame, but anyone who argues that he is should be in ahead of Irvin because of 'character' is wrong. Monk is not as golden as he are led to believe... but 'character' should not have anything to do with voting for the Hall. Monk should be in because he is one of the greatest receivers ever to play the game, period. Let's stop crying about how 'good guys finish last', because I don't think Monk is that great of a guy.

Posted by: my 2 cents | February 3, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Cowboys, more than most anyone you would ever meet. Despite that, Irvin should probably get inducted despite his issues. What I ABSOLUTELY disagree with is Irvin getting in before Monk. Monk's stats were better, and he contributed just as much to his team without the benefit of consistency at the QB position.

Posted by: CowboyH8R | February 3, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

224 games vs 159
the td and yards
are almost identical


Posted by: From afar | February 3, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Just because I don't like the man, I somehow believe this has to do with Danny being an ass, and this is the HOF voters way at getting to him.

Seriously, it's beyond me how Art Monk is not in. He has hall of fame numbers, played on 3 Super Bowl winning teams (was injured for 2 though), and ended his career on top. Yet he is still not thought of as good enough. Oh, and he compiled those stats playing for Joe Gibbs, a "running" type coach.

Posted by: Lee | February 3, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If we hear any explanation, it will be that Monk was always part of a group of talented receivers and never the biggest threat, and that he doesn't have any signature catch or moment in a big game. The same shti we hear every year, which has been eloquently and thoroughly refuted elsewhere.

Again, I must repeat emphatically,

F THE HOF VOTERS WHO ARE KEEPING OUT ART MONK.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 3, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

sfskin my thoughts are with you and your family.

I am not going to bash Irvin like most have. He was good no matter how you think of him off the field. However, for him to get in and Monk to be left out is just wrong.

Posted by: jm220 | February 3, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk - class act, great teammate, more receptions than anyone at the time of his retirement - was yet again passed over for induction into the pro football Hall of Fame in favor of drug addled, prostitute pandering, afraid to go-over-the-middle, egomaniac cry baby Michael Irvin.

I'll be heading up to Dayton soon to take a big, steaming dump on the Hall's front steps - let me know if you'd like to join me.

Posted by: bronko | February 3, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

...sorry, I meant Canton...that's how p.o.'d I am right now...

Posted by: bronko | February 3, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bronko, drop one in Akron and Columbus for me too will ya.

Posted by: SMACK | February 3, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What the hell??
It's not a true hall of fame.

Posted by: #81 | February 3, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Irvin was good, he was good at pushing off!! Monk played by the rules and still has better stats. Irvin was and still is in the public more. Monk has been snubbed his whole career, simply because he didn't brag about what he had just accomplished, be it a spectacular catch (which he had many) or broken yet another record. Don't forget, he was a RB in college, and to come to the pros and do what he did, well, its just plain Hall of Fame like.

You would think the NFL would make an example of something positive for once. He has the numbers, that's not the issue, he just doesn't have the fame.

I will boycott the Hall, and it's credibility is ruined until Monk is in.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 3, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What a tremendous disgrace. I am so $%^&&*$)^&*&#$^*^$&#^$^*# pissed. We should still go...all with #81 jerseys on.

F the Hall of Fame voters and their little boys club.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 3, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I blame Dan Snyder and the pathetic excuse for an organization that the Redskins have become. No one respects the Redskins, so its easy to screw Art.

Posted by: DC | February 3, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

my 2 cents,
if you are going to disparage monk, you better bring something to the table. is there something you want to say about #81 we don't know? doubt it. however, we can talk about your thug irvin and his problems and character forever. get the f out of here!

Posted by: cosmofla | February 3, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

bronko,

road trip!!

Posted by: cosmofla | February 3, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk not being in the Hall of Fame diminishes the Hall far more than Art Monk.


Press Release from the Hall Of Fame committe:

Íf any kids are reading this. Remember, make sure you act like a pre madonna and give yourself a nickname, celebrate wildly after every catch. Remember it's not what you do, it's how well you publicize what you do that matters.

Posted by: Skinz | February 3, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok...my take on the Art Monk snubbing...wrong, wrong, wrong. I was watching the NFL Network and Jamie Dukes was discussing Art Monk (and Irvin) with Adam Schaefter - who used to write for the Denver beat. Jamie Dukes was adamantly in Monk's corner and seriously questioned the media's right to vote the players in - or out. Schaefter used to vote and he said the two things that always came up against Monk were (1) too many other receivers on the list as well and (2) no one could remember any amazing catches by Monk. Jamie Dukes basically said that was BS - that Monk's body of work should speak for itself. They agreed that Irvin should get in and that the reason he has been denied was because of the "off the field" incidents and that those incidents were not supposed to be taken into account when voting.

I have to admit, Irvin's speech was impressive and his Q&A session pretty amazing. His mother is there and she is oh so sweet.

Posted by: Lisa | February 3, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse


Hall of Infamy:
Clutch play speaks for silent Monk,
Coward's vote secret.

Posted by: HaikuMan, Enraged | February 3, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Bag of blow: check...marijuana paraphernalia...check...loud a** tie..check. obnoxiously unbearable d-bag attitude...check.

Michael Irvin, come on down! Just remember to bronze a few coke boogers into his nose. Dude is a bonified a-hole...had a s**tfit at last year's super bowl when he was denied entry because he was without credentials. The whole 'I don't need credentials...don't you know who I am' routine.

The guy got suspended from his job LAST YEAR for drug issues. Hall of Shame is more like it.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 3, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So I guess Marvin Harrison won't get in because he hasn't made any amazing catches.

The fact that Monk is denied because of who he played with is ridiculous. Irvin was a part of a nucleus that included Aikman and Smith. Monk won Super Bowls with three different QB's. This is a travesty. Irvin is a joke, but you absolutely cannot defend enshrining him and not Monk.

Posted by: Colin | February 3, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Anointed as football Jury and Judge,
Sanctimonious curmudgeons just won't budge!
Three team Championships won
By Hogs Art-fully done
On the Hall's honor a large, black smudge....

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | February 3, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

DC, you are nuts. The HOF is not snubbing Monk because of Snyder.

Just saw a segment on ComcastSportsNet comparing Monk and Irvin and Monk's stats were far stellar to Irvin's. It's sickening. Supposedly the HOF does not like to induct WR's. Heard on the NFL Network that Chris Carter will be eligible next year which will work against Monk but Comcast said Carter will be eligible the year after. Darrell Green will be up next year so that may also make it difficult for Monk as they will not want to induct 2 Skins.

A new HOF voting group is NEEDED.

Posted by: Lisa | February 3, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green is automatic. You don't have to worry about that. Do you?

Posted by: SMACK | February 3, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Travesty. However, I'm not surprised. It would appear that the voters would rather reward cocaine use and showboat behavior than achievement, professionalism, desire, and good grace. You're in my Hall of Fame, Art.

Posted by: Sean | February 3, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Monk obviously made the mistake of not smoking crack or being a self-aggrandizing jerk. Quiet brilliance holds no no worth to the idiots who are voting.

Posted by: RedskinsDave | February 3, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Smack, I am worried about Green now. When Monk played we all thought he was automatic. I am not so sure now. He too was a consummate professional. That is not good.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 3, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Goodell and Upshaw recently agreed to strengthen the league's steroid-testing program and Upshaw said there are ongoing discussions about the possibility of prohibiting players who test positive for performance-enhancing drugs from receiving postseason awards or honors."

(from Maske's NFL Insider)

Goodell also had plenty to say about accountability, so maybe the HOF should have some also.

The first step towards accountability would be having HOF nominees voted on ONLY by current HOF members. Get rid of the media idiots who never played the game and make their decisions based on personal accessibility to candidates, petty grudges, and mean-spiritedness. When Art Monk can't get elected to the HOF, one can only conclude that the current system does NOT work, regardless of what Fat Pete the Glomming Gnome has to say about it.

The second step towards accountability is simple: any player who has ANY drug issues during his playing career should be disqualified from HOF consideration. Attempting to gain a competitive advantage by using any type of drug is both reprehensible and unsportsmanlike. (And ask the original LT if he thinks cocaine is a performance-enhancing drug.) Is this the type of behavior that the NFL wants to memorialize? Like it or not, Mr. Goodell, NFL players are role models for young football players, and enshrining drug abusers is the wrong message.

Finally, make the HOF voting public. Let the electors defend their reasons for rejecting candidates. Transparency would go a long way to making the HOF accountable to the players and fans.

Yes, the rejection of Art Monk for the HOF sucks. So let your anger create some action. Take some time this weekend (after cooling off a bit) and write Mr. Roger Goodell a personal letter/e-mail. Ask for accountability in the NFL and in the HOF. And do it nicely, using logic and the art of persuasion. "F*** the HOF" is a great message here, but it won't get any traction where it counts.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 3, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry everyone, the HOF committee was correct in not voting in Monk. I've been a die hard Redskins fan for the past 30 years and I completely AGREE with the HOF commitee's decision. Monk was good, actually he was VERY GOOD. But this is the Hall of Fame. Not the Hall of the Very Good. Monk was, for all intents and purposes, a jerk to the media and to many of the fans. Have any of you been around the man in any type of circumstance? I have on at least 5 occasions and he's been nothing but a $@!& a** each time.

Maybe if Monk had actually granted an interview and had actually done some GREAT things, he'd be in the Hall.

Accept the facts. Monk is NOT a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | February 3, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is a comment from a Cowboys fan regarding Monk that I found on AOL:

"I am a die hard cowboy fan and having grown up with Art Monk on the other side of the ball I am in shock that he was not inducted. He was a class act and one hell of a ball player. Michael Irving was great, but he also had a wonderful supporting cast."

Posted by: Lisa | February 3, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The better WR was put in the hall of fame today. Kudos to the voters for not bowing down to the Skins fans who want to elect someone who was not even the best WR on his own team.

Michael Irvin statistically dominates Monk in every category when you average it out based on games played

Monk was a compiler, Irvin was an elite WR

To compare the 2 is a disservice to great recievers like Michael Irvin

Posted by: Irvin>Monk | February 3, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, it would seem that if there is any consistency in the HOF voting then Darrell Green should be a lock. All the good things about Monk can be said about Green, and the silly thing about no signature plays that is leveled against Monk cannot be brought against Green...consider running down dorsett in opening game 1982, running down Dickerson from a really bad angle in the play offs in 1984 or 85, the punt return TD against da bears in 1987, the pass block against minnesota in the 1987 conference championship...

the list goes on...so I look forward to hearing the excuses the HOF voters and the redskins haters come up with to keep Green out of the HOF.

Posted by: Bwana | February 3, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what anyone else says....

MONK : outstanding receiver. class act on the field. outstanding teammate. shunned the media/still does. how many different QB's? Then look at the stats (speak for themselves).

IRVIN: good receiver who had one HOF QB throw to him. Decent numbers (not as good as MONK). always on TV (now and then). BIG TIME off the field issues.

Comparing the two side by side, it is an absolute mystery why Irvin gets in before Monk. And Monk may never. Maybe it is the fact that he's loud and obnoxious and on TV now. You will NEVER convince me that Irvin was a better receiver than Monk. Monk's election was long overdue and continues to be.

Posted by: 'canes fan (not Miami) | February 3, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure this has been posted before, but worth seeing for those who haven't:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=634405166099832415&q=art+monk&pr=goog-sl

Posted by: Donnie | February 3, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, strike that. Try this. And watch all six parts, it will bring a tear to your eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u4hBiiuYb4

Posted by: Donnie | February 3, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse


the fact that Irvin made it into the NFL Hall Of Fame before Monk is a crime against all sport and this cannot be credibly denied.


Posted by: DCDOGG | February 3, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

How do we teach our children "cheaters never win". Irvin pushed off the DB on every play for years until the refs were finally made to throw the flag on him. And for this he got into the HOF. This is SO DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Typical | February 3, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

All right, it's done, Monk wasn't elected, again, but it's over. We can howl as much as we want up here, and maybe some of us will take creative action as Ocho-Ocho suggests above. But the bottom line is Monk will not be inducted into the Hall this year.

We better start getting used to the idea that Monk may never get in. We love him, we love everything he did for this team and everything he meant to us on and off the field, and maybe that love and those memories will have to be enough.

Nobody will ever wear #81 in the burgundy and gold again; that number will always be his. Nobody will ever play like Art Monk. And we'd be incredibly fortunate to have another player with his quiet grace, his dignity and determination, his humble excellence, on our team again.

Monk is ours, now and forever. HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 3, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk was a great player and is deserving of the HoF. But you don't lift up Art by denigrating another person, particularly one who is equally deserving of HoF induction. To say Irvin doesn't belong in the HoF is silly. The HoF recognizes what players did on the field not off. There are tons of guys in the HoF who played in the era before 24 hr sports channels who did as much if not more off the field than Irving. Print reporters didn't say a word and cops would turn a blind eye. If a hung over Max Magee rolled into the hotel at 6:30 am on the morning of a Super Bowl today we would see shot after shot of his bedraggled azz on ESPN on eternal loop.
IMHO, if anything hurts Monk it's that he probably hung on too long. Maybe had he left the game sooner his numbers would have looked better when he was initially eligible.

Posted by: LH | February 3, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"Monk was, for all intents and purposes, a jerk to the media and to many of the fans."

So not wanting to do interviews because you are a quiet man is reason to not be inducted into the hall, give me a break!!
Snort coke, extort women, lie to teammates, sure no problem, but you better be nice to the media.

"Maybe if Monk had actually granted an interview and had actually done some GREAT things, he'd be in the Hall."

Again, interview = hall... idiotic. The man held most of the important reveiver records of his time. Sure they have been broken, the league is pass happy now.

"Michael Irvin statistically dominates Monk in every category when you average it out based on games played"

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't logevity in this league considered a good thing and helps define your legacy. Monk helped his team for more years than Irvin did. He ended his career with better stats therefore a better legacy.

These arguments are weaker than Romo's place holding abilities.

F the hall

Posted by: monkalicious | February 3, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

LH, I was going to make the same point. There is really no good argument against Irvin's induction to the Hall, and comparing his character to Monk's contributes practically nothing to this conversation... though if the point of this thread is venting spleen, as J-Gun suggested, keep it coming.

I hated Irvin as a player and hate him still. But I think he deserves to be in the Hall. And looky here, apparently enough of the Hall electors think so, too.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 3, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The talk about Darrell Green potentially not getting in to the Hall has me very, very nervous.

That had never occurred to me until somebody mentioned it above. But in light of Monk's continued snubbing, we should consider it a possibility that based on whatever mysterious criteria are applied and whatever machinations ensure in the deliberation room, Green won't get in.

It sounds crazy, but it also sounds crazy that Art Monk isn't being inducted to the Hall this year.

Hell, it's crazy that the Skins won three Super Bowls out of four in a decade-long run and only have one player and the coach from that era in the Hall.

Or maybe it was all a dream.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 3, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

LH and Nate are right, but the reason people are bitter about Irvin is that clearly the HoF voters are sending a message here.

At this point you just have to conclude that Art's workmanlike demeanor isn't compatible with the flashy, scripted TD celebration atmosphere of the NFL and its keepers.

Either that, or it's a case of people just really wanting to rub Snyder's face in this because they hate the way he's running this team, and snubbing Art is another way to do it.

Personally I'm with the Monk4TheHall.com guy. Canton is dead to me.

I suggest we funnel our efforts into some kind of project that would both honor our respect for Art and what he's meant for the Redskins and us as fans, but also something that represents the way he played. Any ideas?

Maybe some kind of habitat for humanity project, or fundraiser for a local kids rec center or something?

Posted by: Gack | February 3, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Len Pasquarelli, a Hall selector, wrote about today's selection meeting at ESPN.com. This sentence really stood out to me:

"The confidentiality rules preclude me, and hopefully everyone else in the room, from ever detailing the pluses and minuses of Tagliabue's run as commissioner that were debated."

Here, again, we see the media's double standard at work. Virtually every sports writer commended the S.F. Chronicle reporters covering the BALCO investigation for breaching the secrecy of a grand jury, but somehow it's a sin to divulge the discussions of a Hall of Fame selection meeting. The 39 people in that room would never tolerate that level of official secrecy from any institution they covered.

I also noticed, while perusing this year's list of selectors, that Len Shapiro is listed as an at-large member affiliated with the Miami Herald. I was unaware Shapiro had left the Post. I recall John Feinstein saying the Post banned its eligible reporters from voting for the Baseball HOF. I also know that Mike Wilbon had been on the football HOF board for many years, but not this year. Maybe Jason or his editors could clarify the matter.

Posted by: Skip Oliva | February 3, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

unreal.....

Posted by: 229 | February 3, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm serious people, and I'm building an army of burgundy and gold who are willing and able to do like Art did, namely, to get their hands dirty and get something done.

Tom K. of Monk4TheHall.com has pledged his support. Will you join us?

Posted by: Gack | February 3, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This is an effing joke!!! How do they let that drug addict and pimp in the HOF and not Monk?!?! The HOF is a joke and now I hope they don't include him. He's too good for the HOF. Monk was Irvin and Rice before they ever came into the league. Monk was doing these things when it wasn't the norm to catch the ball 100 in a season. He was the best receiver of his era and the voters are only showing their ignorance! The HOF means nothing if it won't have a receiver like Monk! It's dead to me.

Posted by: p.o.'d | February 3, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Pretzel boy, you're an idiot and you don't know anything about football! Monk was the best at everything. Who else would you want to throw the ball to on a must-have 3rd down play? There is no answer except Monk! He was great! He deserves to own the HOF. Anybody see how much better his numbers are compared to Swann? WTF?

Posted by: p.o.'d off | February 4, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess Marvin Harrison will not be inducted in the HOF either - if not holding court with the media is the strike against a player.

As Jamie Dukes was basically saying earlier on the NFL Network, there needs to be changes in the voters/voting. Sportswriters (who probably never played the game in their lives) are selecting the inductees. I believe the Washington area had one sportswriter on the board (Wilbon does not vote anymore) and that was David Elfin. I heard an interview he gave to Comcast tonight and he made a hard case for Monk. He seemed mystified as well.

Posted by: Lisa | February 4, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

"As Jamie Dukes was basically saying earlier on the NFL Network, there needs to be changes in the voters/voting."

I totally agree. The hall (notice no caps...no respect) should be voted on by piers, not opinionated sports writers, or atleast a mixture from several different sectors.

How did Paul T not make it either. He only facilitated the NFL boom. This is an absolute JOKE.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 4, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey, J-La, is there any way you can come up to Ines Sainz, and ask her to wear a pair of jeans that has 'Monk Was Robbed!" stitched across it? Maybe that's what the HOF voters need to get Monk into Canton. Apparently, the voters seem to value assiness over classiness, and the lady has a... OK, whatever.

I'll leave Irvin aside. As a Skins fan, I have little impartiality to offer about that election. It's just sad, however, that voters in the HOF have chosen to lean towards the big plays and the brash style over character, stability, and tenacity.

If I were a voter, I think I'd be more apt to believe in someone that you would feel all too happy to point out to a child, and go, "There - that was a guy that you want to be like." But I am not. So, there will be much sulking until next year's voting. That's about all there's left to do, unless something up at the top changes.

Posted by: FlimFlam | February 4, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

wow

Posted by: Dorf | February 4, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Darrell Green should withdraw his name from consideration until Art Monk gets in.

The Redskins should hire a GM.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | February 4, 2007 3:49 AM | Report abuse

James Arthur Monk not gettin' in the HOF is some bullS*** JIVE!!!!!!

Posted by: Slope | February 4, 2007 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm down with any movement to get Monk in the Hall....sign me up. Without Art, we don't get to any Super Bowls.

Posted by: Missouri Skin | February 4, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Monk's HOF snub is typical of the lack of respect the Redskins of the 80's get. When they talk of dynasties, all you hear is Niners with Montana/Young, Cowboys with the big 3, Steelers with Bradshaw/steel curtain and Brady/Belechek Patriots. Where are the 'Skins? From 82 to 91, 4 SB trips, 3 Lombardi trophies, countless playoff appearances, yet we never get a mention as a dynasty. Why? No single big name...many good players, a posse, the hogs, a diesel, the capitol defense...but no single "big name" QB. In a way, we get "penalized" for not having the franchise QB. We were, in that era, the consumate team. This same attitude towards us has hurt Monk. In the recent NFL network series "Americas Game" the '91 team is 14th. One media guy who voted said he would have put them higher, but had a problem ranking a team too high that had mark Rypien at QB. How absurd is that?
The '91 team lost 2 games by a total of 5 points; a 3-pt scrub loss week 16 to the Eagles, and a mid season loss to the Cowboys. Note that the Irvin pushed off big time on Darrell Green to catch the deciding TD.

I'm beginning to feel like Rodney Dangerfield,"No Respect". Its a shame. Football is a team game, played to win, by team players. No showboats stand out in my memory from the '80s 'skins.

Monk epitomized team. Its a disgrace!

Posted by: ConnecticutSkinFan | February 4, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Jaime Dukes of NFL Net is the only one in the media with b*lls enough to call out this process. F*** Adam Scheckter for his "big catch" analogy. Name me some big plays you remember Whirlie, Matthews and Thurman Thomas making. Oh, Sorry, I remember one...Thomas lost his helmet vs. Skins in the SB...now that was a BIG play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LennyG | February 4, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

LennyG...you are right on.
ConnecticutSkinFan...I feel the same as you do. NO RESPECT. I guess being a team is important, its having flash, bravado and attitude. Our society is f@#&d up. Class doesent seem to count for anythin anymore.

Posted by: MonkFan | February 4, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Character and class are qualities that define the great athletes in addition their physical talent. Ark Monk was the complete package and epidomizes a Hall of Famer.

Michael Irvin on the other hand, lacks the class and charater and is not worthy in my opinion of being there. I can not believe EPSN hired him and hate to watch him on TV. He is unarticulate, obnoxious and a loud mouth.

Posted by: candy | February 4, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Response and support of post re: 91 Skins.

Quote on the '91 Redskins from Steve Sabol, NFL Films. Enough said.

"I really thought that this team deserved to be ranked in the top 10, perhaps in the top five.They were as dominant a team as there ever was in football. Some people forget that they went 11-0 and looked like they might go undefeated. I really think that the lack of a marquee player hurt the all-time rankings of what was a truly great team."

Posted by: skinsfan | February 4, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

ConnecticutSkinFan,

To elaborate on what you stated, Jamie Dukes went on to say that one thing that was so impressive about Monk is that he had GREAT receiving numbers, stats despite the fact that the Skins had so many options. They shared the ball and he still blasted everyone else.

Another former player who has been on the Monk bandwagon is Rod Woodson - can't tell you how many times I have heard him say that Monk should be in. And Mark Schlereth went off last night and said Monk not getting in was a travesty and that no receiver should be able to get in until he does.

Posted by: Lisa | February 4, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

We need to keep asking 'So what amazing catches did MArvin HArrison HAve?!?!? What did he do in the playoffs?!?!?'

Answer: Nada

Posted by: 4th Floor | February 4, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think character should have some place in the HOF voting. How can you just left someone up so high, and not hold them accountable to any point?!?!?!?!?!

What if some one who was HOF canidate was in jail for murder or drug distribution?!?!? Would you say then the voters would have to ignore that?!?!? So, to me that is BS....

I knew the HOF was bogus when it didn't let Fritz Pollard in until f'ing 80some years after he played!!! How you gonna be a 'Football Sportswriter' but not know of the 1st Black Player who was also a coach and they won the a Championship with the Akron Pros, not to mention 2 national championships in College (where he has ben in the College HOF for decades)....

Posted by: 4th | February 4, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

OJ is in the HOF. Here is a quote from the official OJ Simpson bio from the HOF site.

"Simpson immediately responded with massive ground-gaining performances. O.J. may be best remembered for his sensational 1973 season when he became the first back in history to rush for over 2,000 yards."

Todays generation best remembers him as a murderer, not a HOF back.

Will todays generation see Monk's stats as minisule compared to todays pass happy compilers? It he dosent get in soon, his 940 catches, and the sccomplisment it was at the time, will get lost in history.

Posted by: outraged | February 4, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The Irvin selection before Monk was a kick in the gut. When you think that you should be professional on and off the field, Art Monk did all he was suppose to do to represent the NFL. I'm a SSG in the military with 23 years Active/Reserves, and there are standards that we live by way pass the time we retire. Monk is a family man, and you never heard about him running around with strippers, or involved in any drug scandals. Any Jackass who think or believe that Conduct on and off the field doesn't matter is out of the mind. Would you say the same for a banker, or your minister, or the police department?

Next year, let's all get together for the next Super Bowl, and rally behind this great man! Strength in numbers, and then let them tell us NO!!!!!

Posted by: WARPATH1 | February 4, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

YOU SISSY, CRYBABY, PATHETIC REDSKIN FANS CONTINUE TO SPIN THE FOOTBALL FACTS!! Art Monk had single coverage his whole football career!! never a threat to go the distance!! the smurfs took coverage away from him and aloud him to have multiple catches!!!!NONE IN A BIG GAME!!dont even try to compare him to the PLAYMAKER!!no player was a bigger CRACK HEAD then your own DEXTER MANLEY(still is one)!!your jealous pathetic fans!!!

Posted by: redskinfans jealous | February 4, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

That last post is laughable and clearly hasn't watched the excellent and irrefutable video compilation on www.monk4thehall.com.

Never in a big game? LOL.
Never a threat to go the distance? LOL.
Single coverage? LMFAO.

Seriously, guys, do we really need to take shots at Irvin to lift up Art? I think not. Irvin's body of "work" off the field speaks for himself.

I'm still disappointed more aren't taking my challenge seriously and offering to do something constructive in support of Art, rather than sitting here complaining about it.

Posted by: Gack | February 4, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

To redskinsfans jealous: You are right. Dexter Manley was a cocaine abuser. Therefore, by your logic he should be in the HOF also. Now go back to your Cowgrrlz blog.

Posted by: snoogert | February 4, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

No signature plays? Jesus, these HOF jackasses need to open their eyes. The guy was money on every pass thrown his way. Moving the chains is a signature play to me and to any coach worth his salt and I bet you $100 that he had at least twice as many first down catches then Blowhole Irvin. (Who was too much of sissy to go over the middle and could only make a catch when pushing off of a DB). They did not used to call the Cowbs "South America's Team" for nothing. Right Nate and Blowhole? And you Cow-Girlie fans, who are all fat, wear stupid 10-gallon hats, yell "yee-hah" and have the most obnoxious belts, bloats and farts can go play in the freeway. Hey, it is past time to get some real Cowboy hate back here. I still subscribe to the George Allen theory that all Cowboys are commies and steal candy from babies.

Also agreed that media mental midgets have no place in voting for the HOF. When you have beached whales like King sitting on that committee, it is like putting a steak in front of Rosie O'Donnell and telling her to sit.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | February 4, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

DEXTER MANLEY(redskin) spent years in jail and continues to be the biggest crack head loser in all of football!!you cry baby fans fail to point that out,and your totally stupid for bringing it up!!the PLAYMAKER turned his life around and is now being honored for it!! HOF BABY!! your tears on this blog are pathetic and your jealousy of AMERICAS TEAM is humorous! keep in mind since buying AMERICAS team JERRY JONES has 3 SB rings! same amount of rings in all SISSYSKINS HISTORY(60 years)!!!MONK was a slow possesion WR!! NOW start your DC spin to make yourselfs feel better!!WAWAWAWAWA

Posted by: DCSPIN this crybabys | February 4, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

DCSpin-

I do believe you'll get your ass kicked for saying something like that.

Name a time and place.

Posted by: Lawrence | February 4, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Seriously Lawrence, why bother. Anyone who would post something so banal and classless is already getting what's coming to him. He DESERVES a guy like Irvin representing him.

Can't wait till it's Leon Lett's ceremony! :P

Posted by: Gack | February 4, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence & Gack get your mama to change your diapers!!WAWAWAWAWA Monk is a slow possesion WR(lots of them)not even close to the PLAYMAKER!!DCSPIN that crybabys!!

Posted by: DCSPIN this crybabys | February 4, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Darrell green is the reason the PLAYMAKER got in the HOF!!Green still cant find his jock strap and could never shut the PLAYMAKER down!!so if green wants to get in the HOF then the PLAYMAKER who Green couldnt cover has to get in!!

Posted by: DCSPIN this crybabys | February 4, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Nothing says insecure like spam-bombing the blog of another team. Nice job!

BTW, how's that Parcells experiment working out for you guys?

Posted by: Gack | February 4, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Gack, not what was expected but 3 out of 4 winning seasons and 2 trips to playoffs and a young developing team!!how about that gibbs experiment hows that working out!!1 out of 3 winning seasons 1 playoff win against sucky tampa, a roster full of over paid avg players,no draft picks,over paid coaching staff! future looks real promising!!!

Posted by: DCSPIN this crybabys | February 4, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Too bad you guys didn't win any more playoff games than we did.

You did have us beat on suicide attempts and Tour-De-France sideline training, though.

Posted by: Gack | February 4, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

How the hell is Invin Better? He did not have as many catches, He did not have as many yards, and he did not have as many TD's.
Maybe it was just because he was not an arogant show off that liked coke. Art was a great person both on and off of the field. Invin would not been nearly as good as if it was not for Emmit Smith's great play and Darryl Johnston's great play.
Would Invin sacrifice and block? Maybee if he thought he would not get hit. Sissy!!!

Posted by: Gary | February 4, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Forget the Cowboy's-this isn't about them. It's about the voters-they need to forget about what they THINK they KNOW and listen to what the players-including Irvin, Rice and Parcells. They will tell you to a man that he deserves to be in the HOF, hands down.

Onr quick note-if he got all those catches because Clark and Sanders where so darn good-why aren't they in the HOF?

Posted by: John | February 4, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

As a longtime Skins fan, I have no problem with Irvin getting in the HOF. I'd even be delighted if Bob Hayes and Drew Pearson (the REAL number 88) made it, because they deserve it too, in my opinion. But tell me how a team that went to 4 Super Bowls in 10 years and won 3 - a team that set many records including most points scored in a season to that time (1983) and fewest sacks allowed in a season to that time (1991) - can have exactly 1 Hall of Fame player on it - John Riggins - plus Joe Gibbs? No Art Monk, or Gary Clark who supposedly is so good that Monk does not deserve to get in. No Joe Jacoby or Russ Grimm or Jim Lachey. No Wilbur Marshall, who also was part of the all time great Bears defense of 1985. Some of these guys I have mentioned are not even being considered. If Darrell Green does not get selected in his first year of eligibility, they should shut the place down as worthless. (P.S. If HOF induction of a receiver is about a "signature catch," why is Steve Largent in and Dwight Clark out?)

Posted by: jaypem | February 5, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

DCSpin, thanks for your classless ignorance. Its great for somebody else to make the point for us. You quite the idiot when it comes to this blog. Keep spending time on a Redskins blog. Good idea moron. Even your facts are wrong. Irvin did not turn his life around. He got caught...again, just last year. Dexter Manley spends his time heading up literacy programs for kids and adults and speaking to kids about drugs. This only shows your ignorance. We all know you're just trying to rile up the Skins fans. But it doesn't really work when you make yourself look like an idiot. And just so you know, Irvin himself stated that Art Monk deserved to be in the hall. Learn to read, check your research and then go back to dallas.

By the way, good luck with Norv. This should make things pretty easy for Gibbs. Can't wait!

Posted by: p.o.'d | February 5, 2007 6:54 AM | Report abuse

DCspin is a troll and isn't even worth a response.

This isn't about Monk vs. Irvin. This is about why the voters refuse to put in an innovator at his position. Someone that was a quiet leader, did his job day in and day out not for himself but for the team, and finished his career as one of the best at his position, ever. It is completely irrelevant that he has since been passed in these records. And even with that said, he is still statistically one of the top ten all-time WR's. But that's not good enough for the Hall. Ok.

Then there is the arguement where there are teams that never won the SB with more players in the HOF than the '81-'92 Skins (Bills)...even teams that never even got to the SB in that era with more (Oilers). The voters seem to have something against this franchise that goes further than the current owner. As for players from that era in the Hall, Riggins is it, and he was only with the team until '85. Monk and the core Hogs were there the whole time, yet NONE of them are in the Hall of Fame. Wow, Gibbs really must have been the greatest coach of all time to get this kind of success out of this group of average to good (but not great) players. It is a complete and utter travesty that the Redskins of that era don't have AT LEAST 3-4 players in the Hall.

And yes, Green will get in, but that's still not enough to represent what this team accomplished in those years.

Posted by: Monk rules | February 5, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Very discouraging.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | February 5, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Monk is better than several Hall receivers including Irvin Swann Stallworth even Largent. Some people talk about how good Clark was. What happened to Clark when he didnt line up with Monk? His career dropped like a rock. Same with Sanders. Monk made them better. The only QB that threw to Monk that was good was Theisman and he was hardly hall matl. Hogs line might be the best ever. And no one in. My suggestion. Riggins Jurgensen Taylor all request their busts to be removed from HOF and Green asks off ballot for next year. Makes a point. Hall aint worth cr*p if superior players get ignored and players pulling out puts a spotlight on the cockroach sportwriters.

Posted by: AL | February 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Come-on, how long will this farce go on????
The writers are jerking us around, if they do not vote Monk in. Same old S#@t, different day!

Posted by: Cliff | February 5, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

To all the jerks who keep bring up Dexter Manley as an argument against citing Irvin's off the field record, here's the reason that doesn't fly. He is not and never will be a Hall of Fame consideration.
So stop bringing it up! For the sake of argument say we forget Irvin's dubious personal life. There are many HOF enshrinees who were not big play guys and/or did not play on Super Bowl winning teams. Do they not deserve to be in the hall? Of course not. So ho do you justify a player of Monk's caliber, who was consistently good year in & year out, and played on SB winning teams, out of the HOF?

Posted by: sjv49 | February 5, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think every Redskins fan in the US should go to the Hall of Fame induction ceremony. When Felon Irvin is announced all Skins fans should stand up and turn their backs to the stage. During Felons entire speech the 'Skins fans should chant, loudly "Monk is a Hall Of Famer, Irvin is a Felon". Skins fans should over take the city of Canton and make it Monks day anyway.

I have seen every Pro Sports Hall of Fame. The Pro Football Hall of Fame SUCKS. It's bland and pretty boring. The baseball hall of fame is the best and even the Pro Bowlers Hall of Fame in St. Louis has a bowling alley.

Posted by: Tom | February 5, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm a die hard Skins fan and I do believe Mike Irving should have been elected to the Hall, but not before Art!
Its not about The Danny (some people go a little too far with the hate) or the lack of signature plays or the numbers or Michael Irving. This travesty rests solely with the HOF voters!
At the end of his career he was described as 'future Hall of Famer'. How do you go from that to snubbed again,I don't understand! But I do see a pattern here. How many Skins from the Gibbs era have been inducted?
A grand total of two John Riggins and Gibbs. Three World Championships and two HOFer's. Get the f*ck outta here! The majority of the O-line should have been elected. Darrel Green is coming up, and so is Brian Mitchell, i wonder if they'll get elected?
Something needs to be done about this! I think a protest at the Hall during the induction of the 2007 class would be appropriate. who's w/ me?

Posted by: priceisright | February 5, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!!! Irvin's stats are not in the top 10 all time in receptions, receiving yards or receiving touchdowns. Art Monk was in the top ten all time in receptions and receiving yards. What a shame!

Posted by: mike | February 5, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Forget all the records Monk held at one point or another. Forget Monk having a tremendous work ethic that lifted the play of all the players around him. Forget Monk's 3 SB rings. Forget the fact Monk blocked better than most TEs of his era. Forget the fact Monk was the consumate team first player that sacrificed personal gain for the betterment of the team. Yes, all the aforementioned points should have sped Monk into Canton on the express lane.

But, the reason we are so befuddled by Art's unjust barring from the HOF is that Art was the one thing we could count on. We knew if it was 3rd and 8 Art would get open and make the first down if the QB would get him the ball. Every defense Monk faced knew this and couldn't do anything about it. Coach Gibbs knew this and hence made Art the irreplacable skill part of his offensive machine. Four different QBs during Monk's career in Washington quickly learned this and depended upon this.

Simply put Art Monk was Money.

Posted by: openallnight | February 6, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Irvin and Monk are equally deserving of Hall of Fame status. They are not mutually exclusive, though it is galling for 'Skins fans to watch a Cowboy at the same position with inferior stats go in first. Irvin is worthy. Art is worthy.

To me, Monk compares to an Irvin, or a John or a John Stallworth (a deserving HOFer), with 2 notable exceptions:

1. He was more productive than either.

2. Irvin and Stallworth had the luxury of receiving the ball from HOF QBs and playing with an offensive nucleus that remained intact. Monk sustained his excellence through a series of offesnive personnel changes, including 4 notable QB shifts (Theismann, Schroeder, Williams and Rypien).

Posted by: Art-Full HOFer | February 7, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk was the first wideout to catch over 100 passes in a season, and first to catch 900 in a career. He won 3 superbowls on a team that focused on counter and lead lineman running schemes (None of that pitch happy late 90's Broncos stuff). He was simply put the best damned blocking receiver of his era. Monk caught passes and handed the ball over to the official always running to the huddle to get ready for the next play displaying sportsmanship that we rarely see in todays game. He also leads an exemplary life off the football field hosting charity events, and working with Washington Area youth. Sportswriters around the Country dislike Art because he would'nt give them the intimate details of his personal life. He basically would'nt allow them to make a fool out of him or the Redskins organization. Michael Irvin on the other hand is the type of guy they love. He's a walking story waiting to happen. He's loud, full of himself, and hungry for attention. Irvin always let everyone in the stadium know that he made a catch by pointing down the field and doing a stupid rooster dance. When Emmitt ran the ball he rarely blocked. Dallas Coaches usually sent Irvin on fly patterns away from all the physical action even though he was much larger than every DB he faced. Irvins off the field exploits is the icing on the cake of journalism. He is the epitomy of the Me,Myself, and I attitude reporters have loved since Babe Ruth, and Ty Cobb.

Posted by: Cocoa City Beast | February 8, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Darrell Green all belong in the Canton. There is an obvious bias against our franchise that goes deeper than Daniel Synder.

Posted by: Cocoa City Beast | February 8, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

DCSPIN - this is why Cowboys fans are hated by more than just Redskins. The arrogance that the league didn't exist until they came into it. Why oh why do Cowgirls fans think that there were no championship games played before the SuperBowls?? If you look closely you'll see that Redskins own more than 3 NFL championships (they weren't called "SuperBowls" yet).

As for Irvin dominating Green. This is revisionist history. Irvin pushed off of everyone to get his catches. But look at the games again and you'll see both players battling it out and Green winning the battles some games and Irvin winning the battles on others. To say that one completely dominated the other for their entire career is a disservice to both players.

As for "single coverage" on Monk and the other players drawing coverage from him - this is not true. On the highlight video I count double coverage plenty of times on Monk. Monk was the glue that made the "Posse" work. His routes opened up Clark or Sanders to also get open. Clark has #'s similar to Irvins so I guess Clark is also a HOF candidate. Guess what? Monk's #'s are BETTER !!! Monk had a HOF worthy WR playing #2 on the same team and he still set those records and still finished in the top 10 and top 5 in all major reciving categories. HE did it while having guys like Thiesmann, Williams, Rypien, Schroeder and Rutledge throwing to him. Irvin had the luxury of having a HOF QB throw to him.

BTW - watch when Deion Sanders came into the league and the Falcons played the Redskins. Notice who Sanders (who always lined up opposite the #1 WR no matter where on the field) lined up against? It was MONK !! Even opposing teams had to gameplan against him.

Posted by: Thaiphoon | February 22, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

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