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Assessing the Jarmon Pick

A day after the Redskins used their 2010 third-round pick to acquire Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft, we can take a closer look at the move and see what Jarmon should provide this season.

The move on the surface provides value in two ways.

First, Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' executive vice president of football operations, said Washington's scouts had a second-round grade on Jarmon, and if he had gone through the draft process next year they felt he likely would have gone in the second round because defensive ends are often overvalued. So to get him in the third round was considered a value pick by Washington.

Second, any pick in the supplemental draft in effect gives a team a year and a half to develop a draft pick from the next year. In other words, had the Redskins used their third round pick in 2010, that player would have just one preseason with the Redskins. By making the same pick now, they get a year-plus to develop him for the 2010 season. Of course, that's sort of glancing over this season, but I guess the idea is that any production this season is a bonus.

But before we get too excited about what Jarmon provides, let's also consider some of the concerns.

While the Redskins graded Jarmon out as a second-round pick and took him in the third to ensure they got him, five other teams put a fourth-round grade on him and didn't go any higher to snag him -- even woeful Detroit, which really liked him (enough for Martin Mayhew to shoot a text to Cerrato after the Skins got Jarmon in the third).

Still, I don't think the Redskins really "reached" here. It was a justifiable move to get him in the third -- especially since the Redskins knew how many teams were ready to get him in the fourth.

Also, don't forget that Jarmon was ruled ineligible for his senior season after testing positive for a banned substance, which is never something you put in the "positive" column.

After listening to Jarmon's explanation, and reading his statement from a press conference at Kentucky in May, it seems that the defensive end may actually have just made a mistake. At any rate, he certainly was contrite.

The apology and the result's lack of effect on his draft status reminds me of San Diego defensive tackle Luis Castillo, who tested positive for performance enhancers while I was at Northwestern. Castillo immediately sent out a letter to NFL teams explaining his use, and the Chargers took him in the first round despite the test. I covered the positive result in Evanston and remember how many teams said they had no character concerns about Castillo despite the result.

In other words, teams appreciate explanations, apologies and will draft a player if their research on his character checks out. From what I heard, teams did not have character concerns with Jarmon, and Cerrato said the Redskins felt confident they were getting a quality player.

"I think [the way he handled the suspension] showed what type of kid he was," Cerrato said. "And that's the type of guy we want in our locker room. You know, the type of person he is, we thought he fit perfectly with our guys. He would fit well in a room with them."

And taking Castillo has turned out pretty well for San Diego.

Jarmon also had shoulder problems, though Cerrato said there are no lingering effects from that injury, and his production dipped from nine sacks and 13.5 tackles for loss as a sophomore to just 4.5 sacks and 10 tackles for loss as a junior.

Cerrato addressed the drop in production, as well: "I asked the coaches that, and they said, 'Hey, we don't have a lot of stars here so when the other teams find out who they are, they try to take them out of the game.' But actually, I watched 2007 film and then 2008, and I thought he was a much better player in 2008 than in 2007, so I think he has a good upside to him."

But certainly, it's not ideal to have a player drop off like that and it indicates that Jarmon still has some work to do to be ready at the pro level.

Overall I think when you step back and look at this deal you see a situation where the Redskins get a young pass rusher who can step in and play some minutes at left end, contribute on special teams, but really has time to develop behind veterans Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn.

Jarmon fits well in Greg Blache's scheme and in a 4-3 defense, and after selecting Brian Orakpo in the first round in April the Redskins now have two young ends in their rotation -- though it'll be interesting to see what happens with some other younger players at the position, like Rob Jackson and Alex Buzbee, who may now be on the outside looking in.

One final note: As for Orakpo, I also asked Cerrato whether this move changes the first-rounder's role, whether he'll focus more on strong-side linebacker with Jarmon in the mix.

"Orakpo is the exact same as what he was," Cerrato said. "This does not change anything with Brian."

By Paul Tenorio  |  July 17, 2009; 11:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

First?????????????/

Another piece for the best defense in NFC.

Posted by: changer1 | July 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Just two more weeks until training camp! Who's in at RT? Who's the SAM? Who's the nickle CB? Depth at RG? Can London go all out for one/two more years? Wll Campbell become an elite QB? Will M Kelly and Devin T step up and contribute? Will F Davis allow Cooley to create mis-match problems for the D?

If a lot of those ?'s move into the yes column we might be in for an awesome ride...

Posted by: Devo2 | July 17, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

First?????????????/

Another piece for the best defense in NFC.

Posted by: changer1 | July 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Not in 2009. DE takes a year or two to really develop. Look at Mario Williams. He has an opportunity to play S. Teams this year. But I don't think he'll make our D any better than it already was going to be.

Posted by: Devo2 | July 17, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

While the intangibles of a player are not that evident in measures like the 40 yard time, Jarmon compares favorably to the other round 2-3 rankings in several sources for DE in 2009 and 2010.
CBS Sports 2010 defensive end draft prospects - http://tinyurl.com/nc9b7b and 2009 Draft: NFL Draft Tracker - http://tinyurl.com/n7w6x5
and (tfydraft)- http://tinyurl.com/n6ruvk.

Cerrito seems right on at this point with Jarmon.

Jarmon sits between Orakpo and Derek Walker on the Skins roster. Orakpo:Grade = 4.27; Walker 3.41

Posted by: fwroy | July 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow....

I am speechless on the analysis.

(Talk about Fair and Balanced)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

- Rewarded as Oregon’s Duane Cargill Award recipient as the skilled player making the greatest impact.

Posted by: dcsween

The 'skins got the Duane Cargill Award winner???!!!!! Holy Leigh Torrence, if that ain't worth 2-3 wins, I don't know what is?

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

We could end up the best D in the league if the O gets any more production.

oh &

2nd or 3rd rounder for Leigh Torrence?! Future hall of famer Leigh Torrence?!

Did I tell you about the time we went hunting? Somehow we creep up on this 8 point buck and Torrence grabs it by the head - looks it square in the eye and hollers: "SAY 'LEIGH TORRENCE!'". Well, he squeezes the creature in such a fashion that the air escaping sounded like "chleighg tchorrenchge", which wasn't exactly right, but was pretty good for a deer!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse


Ferndock-Inamorata-Redacted-Supercilious-Tabernacle!

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

If only we had Demetric Evans here to tutor this kid......oh what could have been....sigh.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

T_E, you keep saying I predicted the team would use a 1st on Jarmon. As usual, you use excepts to make it say what YOU want it to say. Here's the rest of what I said yesterday:

"If they think even 1 team will go for Jarmon in the 2nd, they'll up the ante to where no one else will wanna pay. They do it in free agency, wouldn't be shocked to see 'em do it in the supp draft either."

Did they not go higher than everyone else was willing to go? That is the jist of what I'm saying there and it looks to me like I was right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato said...if he had gone through the draft process next year they felt he likely would have gone in the second round because defensive ends are often overvalued."

Translation: Vinny Cerrato doesn't value defensive ends as highly as the rest of the league (I highly doubt Bill Belichick, Scott Pioli, Jerry Reese, Bill Parcells, etc. feel the same way).

Which explains his aversion to defensive linemen in the draft throughout the years.

...but gotta give him credit for this year, at the least.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Looking at our roster now I would not mind seeing this team occasionally try a 5-2-4 in a blue moon.
I mean think of this for a sec.
D line (right to left):Carter-Goldston-Haynsworth-Griff-Orakpo
LB: RMac, LFB
DB (R-L): Hall-LaRon-Horton-Los.

We have enough depth on the front line to sub out on the lines for either run stopping or pass rush.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:29 AM

alex, I think there is another name for this ... Orakpo blitz.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey Dik, November 2008 called.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Second, any pick in the supplemental draft in effect gives a team a year and a half to develop a draft pick from the next year."

Caveat: But also loses a year on his contract, as compared to if he were to be drafted in 2010 rather than 2009.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"The year they won the SB, the NYG proved that rotating D-linemen (and relentlessly pounding the opposing O-line) is the new name of the game in the NFL."

And last year, the year the Redskins didn't make the playoffs, the Skins proved that if your own OL is getting relentlessly pounded and you don't have a pass rush of any kind whatsoever,....well, it just doesn't work, if the old name of the game is winning football games.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...bucholz goes tonight against the jays, which this is either a showcase for him for trade purposes, or he's coming up for real, and to stay..."


Let's play Theo Cashman, baseball exec.

I offer Joba Chamberlain-Jose Montero-Ian Kennedy--Austin Jackson for Roy Halladay.

Okay Mr Brian Epstein, what are you offering?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Orakpo is the exact same as what he was,"

Vinnie talks English real good...

Posted by: edvar | July 17, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

bucholz, lugo, dice-k, and a brand new first base....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Since McNair didn't have a will, His wify is trying to stake claim and name the heir of the estate her and her TWO CHILDREN. The other 2, she said she can't verify if they are really his! Talk about ugly? And one of them is named Steve Jr.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I would not give this move an A until we see this guy play but this is a solid B movie.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow....

I am speechless on the analysis.

(Talk about Fair and Balanced)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 11:33 AM

This Tenorio guy is really starting grow on me too. This was a GREAT blog starter (seeds of an actual print edition column in here, but way timely).

4th, I think it is unfair for you to label this excellent pieces as Fair and Balanced (C), which is a term that has special (completely twisted) meaning according to its developers at Faux News.

[Note: Castillo's production has declined over the past couple of seasons ... co-inciding just about with the time that Shawne Merriman unexpectedly "bulked down" ... hmmmm.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Did they not go higher than everyone else was willing to go? That is the jist of what I'm saying there and it looks to me like I was right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 11:40 AM

You said "that's why they will use a first." You didn't say "third" you said "first."

Did they go "higher than everyone else"? Well, duh. The only way they could get the guy was to go "higher than everyone else." But they didn't use a first like you predicted.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sween - Chargers DT Luis Castillo feels like he's past the back injury that limited him in 2008.

http://www.chargers.com/news/article-1/castillo-anxious-for-camps-arrival/dd15fc29-63e7-441a-9400-2f8957630305

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence jokes never get old. They just father illegitimate children...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I would not give this move an A until we see this guy play but this is a solid B movie.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 11:55 AM

So, you want to judge with perfect hindsight. I'll bet Vinny would like to see how he plays first and then decide whether to use a third on him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

...well, it just doesn't work, if the old name of the game is winning football games.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 17, 2009 11:44 AM

Maybe its just me (and all the caffeine I'm on), but I'm getting this wierd feeling that, at the Park, the name of the game is very slowly shifting toward winning football games (and away from selling merchandise).

This Jarmon signing seems really un-plashy to me ... very un-Snyderific. [Although, I guess it WAS the plash of the supplemental draft ... Jarmon was the only guy picked).

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Dik, your Torrencitude has been on fire today. I'm lovin it. Leightacular!

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

4th, doesn’t the wife automatically get the estate (and any debts) in the case of a non-will? I only say this as a husband without a will who was told by a friend (who I consider knowledgeable) that if I die without a will my wife would automatically get everything (not the state)…..but I don’t really know. It is a shame though that she seems to be trying to cut his other 2 kids out of it……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

In a tribute to Mike Jack and Chris Tucker, I just want to say:

"Jarmon, Lee! JARMON!!!"

How do you pronounce his name? JAR-MON or YAR-MON?

Aye-Mon!

All corniness aside, I think this was a good, but not great pick up. Anytime you have to give up early round picks, I have to see the product on the field first to be completely sold.

Plus the 'skins move/deal making sucks most of the time.

Bean, you're a NSCAR fan, what up with Mayfield? First he pisses hot, then again, then has his stepmother roll on him.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

4th, 3-3 defenses will come to the NFL as soon as spread offenses come to the NFL ... and the last place either is going to come is the NFC East.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon addition ripple effect By Ryan O'Halloran on July 16, 2009 into Redskins 360

The Redskins made what they think -- and I tend to agree -- was a smart move today by giving up their 2010 third round pick for Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon.

Most teams had Jarmon projected as a late first/early second round pick in 2010 so the Redskins got good value. But fans should temper their expectations for Jarmon. I think the Redskins could be looking at 2009 as a redshirt year of sorts for the 6-3, 278-pounder.

Jarmon missed all of the OTAs, off-season conditioning and full-squad mini-camp so he's way behind once he arrives at the Park. Vinny Cerrato said there's no pressure on Jarmon to produce right away. But Jarmon's arrival will have a ripple effect.

The Redskins have 14 defensive linemen on the roster -- 16 if you include Brian Orakpo and Chris Wilson, who are working at linebacker but are listed as DE/LB.

My first guess is the Redskins will keep nine defensive linemen and I won't count Orakpo or Wilson.

The locks at DT: Albert Haynesworth, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston, Anthony Montgomery.

The locks at DE: Andre Carter and Jarmon.

The lock as a DE/DT: Lorenzo Alexander.

That leaves two spots for the rest of the players. I think both will be defensive ends.

The candidates: Phillip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn, Alex Buzbee, Derek Walker and J.D. Skolnitsky.

Jarmon's arrival really makes it tough for Buzbee. Daniels and Wynn will be the favorites and if they make it through camp, I'll say they'll be the two players.

But Wynn was a surprise release a few camps ago and if Buzbee flashes or Wynn is banged up, his second stint with the Redskins could be a short one.

-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze, in a community property state, the surviving spouse gets everything. DC is a community property jurisdiction ... I dunno about TN, MD, or VA. This is where learnedhand steps in ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

TE
Got it. I wait to judge till I have hindsight, ask any judge and they will tell you thats probably the best way to do it.

BTW here is what LaCanfora just wrote on his blog about this whole thing.


Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
I like the fact that the organization is being aggro in terms of accumulating young linemen. The Skins have a history of dealing away picks, but at least in this case the third-rounder is going on a prospect, and not someone at the end of his career. I am not sure that Orakpo is going to end up playing a lot of DE for them - except as a situational rush end - and they don't have any young DEs that can play the run (and that left end has to be a run stuffer in Greg Blache's system). Given their lack of depth and youth at DE. it's a gamble worth taking. At least 4 teams were seriously considering Jarmon in the fourth round, so good for the Skins for being proactive, especially considering their need there.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze1 - The wife is entitled to MOST. But the kids are entitled to a smaller porportion (JIK the mother is crooked) by law. In a perfect world this all wouldn't matter.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, the Widow McNair will acknowledge the late QB's paternity of the two remaining children once they clean up their rooms and pick up that mess in the basement.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You said "that's why they will use a first." You didn't say "third" you said "first."

Did they go "higher than everyone else"? Well, duh. The only way they could get the guy was to go "higher than everyone else." But they didn't use a first like you predicted.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 11:58 AM


Wow...if you can't surmise from the backhalf of my post that the 1st round thing was tongue-in-cheek, you're an even bigger idiot than I give you credit for. Simple reading comprehension should have keyed you in on that. If you'd like, I'll add little smiley faces to remarks I'm kidding about so you can get the jist a little easier.

F the semantics. Bottom line is the Skins got themselves a needed young player for their D-line rotation. Hopefully by the back half of the 2010 season, this guy will already be leaving his mark.

And by leaving his mark, I don't mean peeing on the field. I mean playing well. Just in case you didn't get that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

TYVM, Sween! I'm sure Leigh would thank you too, if he wasn't too busy planning another Central American Coup!

And mebbe it's pronounced like the spanish J, Jamon [sounds like 'Hamon'] is Ham. Jarmon Rye?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
I like the fact that the organization is being aggro in terms of accumulating young linemen. The Skins have a history of dealing away picks, but at least in this case the third-rounder is going on a prospect, and not someone at the end of his career. I am not sure that Orakpo is going to end up playing a lot of DE for them - except as a situational rush end - and they don't have any young DEs that can play the run (and that left end has to be a run stuffer in Greg Blache's system). Given their lack of depth and youth at DE. it's a gamble worth taking. At least 4 teams were seriously considering Jarmon in the fourth round, so good for the Skins for being proactive, especially considering their need there.

Posted by: alex35332

What's with all the negativity? F' JLC

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article about the 3-3. If I'm facing a healthy/happy Ocho Cinco & Fitz I'm definitely interested in running it (especially if my team doesn't have star CBs).

But the wildcat trend is in the exact opposite direction so if I'm the OC or the QB, when I see the 3-3 I just audible to my WC (not 'water closet') and get me 7 quick!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Is he still banging his I-Pod, or did they make him cut it out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor"

He completely omitted Rob Jackson in that analysis.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the negativity? F' JLC

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:17 PM


Would you expect any less from our pudgey, cross-eyed little friend?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, t_e_ had already picked a fight with BeantownGreg this morning. Unfortunately, you may have to wait in line.

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

psps, you're being sarcastic, right? [brownwood, I think psps was being sarcastic ... that thing about Jarmon has to be one of the most positive things written by Jasno is a couple of seasons.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

uh - make that Houschoumenzadnenadneahr... srry 'bout that.

or Boulden/Fitz

tho we did ok against that... must be the secondary.

If you wanna try and throw deep on me
got DeAngelo Hall
and LaRon Landry
You'll have to settle for three
Hey, must be the Secondary.


....maps..

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I am starting a petition to convince my wife to let me name our pending baby Sean Taylor.

I show her the blog regularly so please help me out here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Yep, sarcasm at its finest.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

He completely omitted Rob Jackson in that analysis.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:19 PM

You're correct. He has him in his article, but missed him in the blog post. No wonder the #s worked out so well....

I say that Wynn has to be cut, then... But Snyder should offer him a position with the team such as 'Player Development' so he can still hang around......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"he had gone through the draft process next year they felt he likely would have gone in the second round because defensive ends are often overvalued. So to get him in the third round was considered a value pick by Washington."
_____

Is it just me or is this paragraph somewhat contradictory/counterintuitive? If you accept the proposition that he was "overvalued" as a 2nd rd projection, then wouldn't negate the notion of him being a value pick in the 3rd?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The value is if they wait until next year, they get him in the second round whereas in the supplemental draft they get him in the third.

Since DEs are overvqalued they move higher on the draft board then maybe they deserve.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The value is if they wait until next year, they get him in the second round whereas in the supplemental draft they get him in the third.

Since DEs are overvqalued they move higher on the draft board then maybe they deserve.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

We talk about 'Making It Rain' alot in here. But do you really know how that looks and feel? Well....Here's your chance! ESP of N has obtained video of the infamous night of the club shooting...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4333957&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I say that Wynn has to be cut, then"

I don't see how Buzbee makes it, unless he really opens eyes in training camp. He was a fringe guy to make the team back when we didn't have Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon, or Wynn (but did have Evans). And he's coming off an achilles tear. Talk about an uphill battle.

Rob Jackson and Wynn will be toss-ups. We know Wynn can help us this year (but probably nothing after). We don't know whether Jackson will ever be able to help us (but if he can, he's got a much longer shelf-life). The question is, do we have enough DEs that are ready to perform at this moment without the help of Wynn? If yes, Wynn should go. If not, Wynn should stay.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, I'm just saying that if his true value really is 3rd or later, it's hard to call him a "value pick" with a 3rd rounder...sounds more like where he really should be taken, making it neither a value selection or an overvalued one. I'm not what sure what I'm sayin, just sayin...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If RJAckson has any potential, no way we can keep a 33 yr old who is prob in his last year anyway. But Wynn is a good dude, so I don't think we should leave him out in the cold. He does a lot of charitable stuff for this town compared to others on the team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

5-2? 3-3? From this point in the season it seems like Blache has a lot of versatile players that will allow him to throw in a lot of different looks. What would make this complete is if one of the safeties could step up and play free safety so Landry can prowl up close to the line as a strong safety.

Funny how Vinny has been amping up the pursuit of defensive ends since the Jason Taylor experiment failed. Do you think next year we will be saying the same thing about the Mike Williams experiment?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Vinny has been amping up the pursuit of defensive ends since the Jason Taylor experiment failed. Do you think next year we will be saying the same thing about the Mike Williams experiment?
Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 12:54 PM

At least they didn’t give anything up for Williams; it’s a win/not-a-loss type scenario. If he fails, no biggie, didn’t lose anything. If he balls out and helps the team it will be seen as a brilliant move…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

At least Wynn stayed healthy all of last season. Philip Daniels is another one of the injury prone players from last year. He, Sean Springs and Marcus Washington should have given back their paychecks. I say, if a defensive end needs to be cut between the two, it should be Daniels.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If our D can score points next year, which it can, I believe we have the ability for easily a 10-6 or 11-5 season. Plus when there was no pass rush last year it makes QB's like Cody Fitzpatrick and Shaun Hill look like Dan Marino. With a way below average D-line last year the D still stopped the run, with Fat Albert it's going to be near impossible to pound it on us. I can see D-Hall picking them off to the house with regularity. Wish I could say the same for Carlos,but I am convinced he was born without fingers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

But Wynn is a good dude, so I don't think we should leave him out in the cold. He does a lot of charitable stuff for this town compared to others on the team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I wish he would make a charitable donation to the double digit sack fund.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

all I know is whenever Redskins scouts (read: Danny/Vinny) grade a prospect higher than the round they took him in - it's guaranteed to fail...this guy will not be on roster in 2010.

Posted by: sunnyman1 | July 17, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Dallas: 10-6 or 11-5? I know our defense looks superb here in July -- and I think it will be during the season too -- but there's only one way we sport a record like your hoping for.

O-line.

IF we're lucky the defense may score a TD here or there but if we can't keep Campbell off his backside or open holes for Portis, we'll be a .500 team at best.

I like the Jarmon pick.. but we need O-linemen!

Posted by: outsider6 | July 17, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

For Mike Williams on running plays,simply have someone dangle a cupcake in the endzone. He is going to bulldoze everything in his path ......I call it the old counter treat

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"If RJAckson has any potential, no way we can keep a 33 yr old who is prob in his last year anyway."

Depends on whether or not the Redskins feel they have a legitimate shot at a run this year.

The thing about Jackson is that he doesn't have a specific skill he brings to the table. He's not a situational pass-rusher, he's not really a run-stuffer, he won't handle big tackles, he can't really move inside, etc. At this point, in the very limited times I've seen him, he seems to be a "total" player prospect, just extremely average in every different aspect.

DE rotations around the league seem to be following the formula that running back rotations have been using. Most teams would rather find multiple running backs with different skill sets that compliment each other rather than using a bunch of guys that do everything solid, but nothing special. Blache's system with his DEs seem to follow suit. That's why a guy like Chris Wilson, who will probably never be a full-time DE, will always find snaps at his disposal.

Will Rob Jackson ever be a good enough all-around DE to regularly play in the base formation? Because I'm not sure if he has the talent in any one skill to become a rotational run-stuffer or pass-rusher, the way Wilson and Demetric Evans carved themselves roles on this team.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

bean

When I consider both offers, I say Roy Halladay winds up in (INSERT anxious drumroll):

LA pitching for the Dodgers....

....Now back to Fuddball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Skins are starting to get it...

1) They sign a young, fast CB in DeAngelo Hall who can actually catch the ball.

2) They keep Carlos Rogers without giving him a big extension yet. He'll be hungry this season.

3) They draft a potential franchise DE in Orakpo.

4) They have quality depth at D-Line and Safety

5) They are showing some patience with Heyer and trying to develop their own at that position.

6) They sured up the Left Guard in Dockery.

Here's what they fugged up.

1) Handling of Jason Campbell, although I'd like to see this light a fire under him to play for a contract.

2) Big gamble not drafting O-line.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 17, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This is a conspiracy theory....but I think Snyder never intended to get rid of Jason. We could have snagged Cutler,but didn't. We could have drafted Sanchez,but didn't. I think he wanted Jason to be pissed off this season. Last year he played not to lose, instead of to win. Maybe he will begin to air it out this season without fear of INTs because he feels he may be cut regardless. Big Season and Danny writes big checks.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Assess the Jarmon pick....?

Okay: given the number of defensive ends types and Chris Wilson's conversion to slb, one can only realize two things:


a. the skins are grooming A Carter's replacement

b. the skins feel the need to improve the outer edges of their pass rush as they are not pleased with A Carter.


The pick is not about Jarmon. It's that Andre Carter's tenure as a redskin has been less than satisfying.

Do you think the team would've taken Jarmon or Slotkinsky, for that matter, if Carter was getting sacks like a grocery store bag boy high on Red Bull?

Has Andre Carter satisfied?: that's the subject that needs to be assessed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If 'Los beasts out like I think he will this season, picks not withstanding, I think he'll get a nice salary bump.

Does 4 yrs. @ 8 mil per, minus bonuses, sound about right?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

After a few posts about UGA football showed up on this blog I started thinking about Georgia songs. I checked out the list of Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs and found three Georgia songs: "Georgia on My Mind", "Rainy Night in Georgia" and "Midnight Train to Georgia". Unfortuately the best Georgia song of all, "The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia" was nowhere to be found.

Thats the night the lights went out in Georgia,
Thats the night that they hung an innocent man,
Dont trust your soul to no back woods southern lawyer,
Cause the judge in the town's got bloodstains on his hand.

Gothic Southern horror in a 3 minute song. Awesome.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I just would like to know the long term plan with Orakpo and Jarmon. How are they both going to play LDE? One of those guys is going to have to move eventually, I just don't see them converting Orakpo to a full-time LB.

So which one gets groomed to replace Carter and which one gets groomed to replace Daniels/Wynn? Sounds like they are counting on Jarmon for the latter role.

Would also be curious to know how long Jarmon has been on their radar and how this may or may not have impacted the draft or FA signings. If it was a recent development, did they see something in OTA's which gave them cause for concern?

Posted by: McMetal | July 17, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Regarding roster spots, here's how I see it:

D Linemen:

Carter
Hayneworth
Griffin
Daniels

Jackson
Golston
Montgomery
Wynne

Alexander
Jarmon

Linebackers:

Orakpo
Fletcher
McIntosh

Wilson
Blades
Fincher

Glenn, Henson get a much-needed year on the practice squad.

Robert Thomas and Buzbee are insurance against injuries. If no injuries, they get cut.

In addition, Jeremy Bridges and Mike Williams are better than anyone the Skins could have gotten in the draft for a backup right guard and right tackle. Now the Skins can focus on getting more better offensive linemen in the draft next year. Go Skins.

Drink the Kool Aid. It really tastes great this year!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

ih8dallas

"...For Mike Williams on running plays, simply have someone dangle a cupcake in the endzone. He is going to bulldoze everything in his path ......I call it the old counter treat..."

So I guess a 'pancake' block by Mike Williams is when he scarfs all the Miss Butterworth's before anybody else can get to it?

You know I'm right, don't waffle.

And when he's finished eating, the 'whiff' block is what you'll smell out of his rear end once he's in a three point stance.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Gothic Southern horror in a 3 minute song. Awesome."

And let's not forget the epic film of the same name, with Kristy McNichol and a young Dennis Quaid. Classic slab of 80's fare.

Lulu as "boogie woogie"!

Posted by: McMetal | July 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter's fate was decided months ago when he renegotiated his contract to allow the Redskins to save salary cap space. He has a massive team option in the summer of 2011. Unless Carter racks up consecutive 15+ sack seasons, there isn't a shot in hell he sees that bonus (and even then, it may be unlikely). Plus, the Orakpo drafting was a signal to the near end of the Carter era, not Jarmon. Jarmon is much more about Daniels/Wynn on the opposite side of the field.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

And a chip block is when someone tries to grab his Pringles

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

At least Wynn stayed healthy all of last season. Philip Daniels is another one of the injury prone players from last year. He, Sean Springs and Marcus Washington should have given back their paychecks. I say, if a defensive end needs to be cut between the two, it should be Daniels.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse
Well, that's why we have training camp. Daniels is supposedly the strongest guy on the team. We'll see how his body has recovered. After a month in camp, it will be clearer who is getting the job done. But at least we some good guys to pick from!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 17, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dallas: 10-6 or 11-5? I know our defense looks superb here in July -- and I think it will be during the season too -- but there's only one way we sport a record like your hoping for.

O-line.

IF we're lucky the defense may score a TD here or there but if we can't keep Campbell off his backside or open holes for Portis, we'll be a .500 team at best.

I like the Jarmon pick.. but we need O-linemen!

Posted by: outsider6
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Agreed but what's done (2009 draft) is done and we needed a big LDE and I assume there wasn't a strong O-lineman avail in the supplemental, so it's a good deal. Skins defense should be awesome, maybe even Steelers/Ravens level.

Now, yes, really gotta build that O-line. Maybe we'll get lucky with some of our question marks (M Williams etc), maybe we'll get lucky with some team cutting a good OL guy in training camp or preseason (or sign Jon Runyon if he's not injured), and after that we should really work on making the O-line into an elite (not just good) unit next offseason.

Posted by: chasgiffen | July 17, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Orakpo as strong-side linebacker:

Marcus Washington was a college DE that the Colts converted to a Sam LB. Same for Chris Gocong of the Eagles. Orakpo has the smarts and the work ethic to be successful at SLB.

And now they have Jarmon to groom to take over for Daniels and Wynn at Left DE after next year.

If Rob Jackson builds up his body and works on his rush moves, he can take over for Andre Carter after next year too.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

psps23


'..Andre Carter's fate was decided months ago when he renegotiated his contract to allow the Redskins to save salary cap space...'


You're so right.

So: has Carter lived up to the contract/expectations he signed upon leaving San Fran?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Whoa.

Real news and such as?

::maps::
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | July 17, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the 2009 offseason has been about the DEFENSE.

1st rd pick: a DE/LB.
3rd rd pick: CB
3rd rd pick: DL
5th rd pick: LB
6th rd pick: LB

Its not until the 7th rd where the Skins used a pick for an offensive player. Plus, the Skins added Albert, easily the biggest signing (the equivalent a #1 overall pick).

So why is Vinny so focused on defense?

Several of the defensive players on the current roster may leave -- either due to age, health, FA, etc -- within the next 2 seasons. Wynn, Daniels, Carter, Rocky, Griffin, Fletcher, Rogers, Smoot are the major names (and we don't have a clear answer at OLB -- Orakpo is an experiment at this point). That's all 3 LBs, 3 DL starters (and 2 rotation guys) and 2 CBs.

4 of those names are in the late stages of their careers. Rocky, Carter, Smoot and Rogers, however, are going to be decisions for Vinny on whether to keep them or let them go.

So what is Vinny doing? He looking to see which of these vets will be worth keeping, and which of the rookies might allow him to let go of players. By throwing lots of young players into the mix, I think Vinny expects to find a few overachievers, making his job on who to retain much clearer.

Examples, Orakpo works out at LB and Henson overachieves -- Rocky is let go. Jarmon works out at LDE, Wynn and Daniels can be let go a year earlier and its easier to let Carter go. Barnes works out at CB, Rogers or Smoot are let go.

Vinny is hedging bets. If a vet falters (or wants too much $$), there is a rookie with a chance to step up.

I'd say its nice work and good thinking -- except for the fact he ignored the OL. OOOOOPS!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

red, mayfield has some demons, but his step is looking to cash in, thinking that for goin snitch on him, she's gonna get paid......not sure what she's thinking there....

moe, I'd like to see what EXACTLY the Jay's are asking for, is it 3 top line guys, is it 4, specifically as well is it 2 pitchers and 1 position player....lots of questions.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

McMetal,
I think they saw Orakpo could play SLB and suddenly they realized they weren't in as good shape at defensive end as they thought. From what I read, Buzzbee still wasn't 1005 and when he was 100%, he wasn't a starter. Wynn and Daniels are old as dirt. Carter couldn't buy a sack last year. D. Evans went to the 49ers. I think they looked at what they had, saw the guy available and thought he would be an upgrade. Plus, they are planning on rotating the linemen much more this year. Throwing one more guy in the mix doesn't hurt. You could also say they saw value here and took it. Any way you look at it, it is a nice pickup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

ha, the counter treat.... awesome.

Paul Tenorio, I read the interview with you at Mottram's Mister Irrelevant blog and I'm really excited you're here. Keep up the great work!

Posted by: trolly_time | July 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"So: has Carter lived up to the contract/expectations he signed upon leaving San Fran?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

It's close. Twice, he was a main cog on a top 10 defense. He had one 10-sack season; led the defensive line in sacks, tackles for loss, and tackles in the other; and, perhaps most importantly, has been one of two consistently healthy starters throughout that time (the other being Fletcher) on a defense that has been riddled with injuries the last few years.

Has he been the sack-master envisioned when we brought him here? No. But he was definitely worth the contract he received, IMO.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

At least Wynn stayed healthy all of last season. Philip Daniels is another one of the injury prone players from last year. He, Sean Springs and Marcus Washington should have given back their paychecks. I say, if a defensive end needs to be cut between the two, it should be Daniels.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM

You can't blame dude for tearing his ACL. It be like that sometimes. Ask Tom Brady or Gale Sayers......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If 'Los beasts out like I think he will this season, picks not withstanding, I think he'll get a nice salary bump.

Does 4 yrs. @ 8 mil per, minus bonuses, sound about right?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 17, 2009 1:25 PM

Too high. You haveto be an INT grabing CB to get those numbers. And it'll come in under DHall's contract as well......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

At least they didn’t give anything up for Williams; it’s a win/not-a-loss type scenario. If he fails, no biggie, didn’t lose anything. If he balls out and helps the team it will be seen as a brilliant move…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Mike Williams has never balled out even when healthy...

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Has Andre Carter satisfied?: that's the subject that needs to be assessed

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 1:25 PM


Maybe this summer for team building the skins can go to a swimming pool instead of bowling or the movies that way Andre Carter could learn a swim move


Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Meat-Balled out, maybe...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

or share doobage w/ Mr. Olympics, GreatOne.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'd say its nice work and good thinking -- except for the fact he ignored the OL. OOOOOPS!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2009 1:44 PM |

Cheap shot buddy. Rome wasn't built in no day.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Cheap shot buddy. Rome wasn't built in no day.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

But Rome didn't have bufoons running it either.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Has he been the sack-master envisioned when we brought him here? No. But he was definitely worth the contract he received, IMO.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 1:53 PM |

A guy like him can only shine when you have got some push going up the middle, which the Skins did not have. Given that, was he overpaid? Yes. Did he perform well? No. Was it his fault? No.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"I'd say its nice work and good thinking -- except for the fact he ignored the OL. OOOOOPS!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1"

Up above, Vinny mentions that he feels DEs are "overvalued" at the draft. Why do I get the feeling he feels the same way about offensive linemen as well?

Hmmm...

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

But Rome didn't have bufoons running it either.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 2:07 PM |

Wow. A chaep shot followup to a cheap shot. Who would have thunk it on this blog?

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

4th wtSJK?

Not sure how the second amendment plays into the Jarmon pick.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

At least Wynn stayed healthy all of last season. Philip Daniels is another one of the injury prone players from last year. He, Sean Springs and Marcus Washington should have given back their paychecks. I say, if a defensive end needs to be cut between the two, it should be Daniels.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 17, 2009 1:00 PM

You can't blame dude for tearing his ACL. It be like that sometimes. Ask Tom Brady or Gale Sayers......

Posted by: 4thFloor
_______________________

Yeah, I don't remember Daniels being injury prone before this injury, correct me if I'm wrong. And if/when healthy, he's a beast.

Posted by: chasgiffen | July 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd say its nice work and good thinking -- except for the fact he ignored the OL. OOOOOPS!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2009 1:44 PM |

Cheap shot buddy. Rome wasn't built in no day.

Posted by: LibertyValence |

You can build an OL a lot faster than you can build Rome ... and Vinny's been at it longer than a day. Wayyyyy longer

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That's the next big contrversay. If you don't vote for her, she will pull out her guns and take her government back by any means neccessary......

1st, the Ballot Box, then the Bullet Box....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

OL, Vinnie, where's the OL.

You now have plenty of defensive line, but a bit short at linebacker, (M. Wash, Rocky's knees) somewhat questionable backs with the losses of Sean Taylor and Shawn Springs.

Kind of like the Nats ... Bowden built an American League team to play in the National League. Cerrato is trying to build the "purple people eaters" Vikings from the seventies to play in a league where wide receivers run up and down the field with abandon with a questionable offense that very well could fall completely apart.

It does look to me as if Cerrato is concentrating on the WRONG LINE. The important line is on the other side of the football at this point. If you get 4 or 5 sacks in a game and the other team still manages to score 21 or more points because your offense struggles to stay on the field ... where does that leave you in the end?

Posted by: periculum | July 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Police: Nude man who was hot lied about robbery

The Associated Press
Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:01 PM

LINCOLN, Neb. -- Lincoln police arrested a man who they said made up a story about being robbed to explain why he was walking around a city park naked. Police spokeswoman Katie Flood said the man was arrested and jailed Wednesday night on suspicion of indecent exposure and making a false statement to police.

Police found the man naked in a southwest Lincoln city park on Monday. He told police a man with a gun tried to rob him, but he did not have any money, so the robber took his clothes.

Flood said the man really took off his clothes because he was hot. He walked around naked for about an hour, but afterward, he couldn't find his clothes.

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Information from: Lincoln Journal Star,http://www.journalstar.com

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

But still at a pro evel the Offense has under performed. I think age may be a factor, but it just didnt look like they played well.

A consistent line (in terms of who is on it) is the best option. But do to injuries and borderline ineffective play, we have not had that.

If the offense plays half as good as the defense, this teram will be dangerous.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Periculum
I disagree, on the "Cerrato is trying to build the "purple people eaters" Vikings from the seventies to play in a league where wide receivers run up and down the field with abandon with a questionable offense that very well could fall completely apart."

The NFC East is a runners division these days. All 4 teams have questions at WR and good running backs. Not to mention we have solid group of guys in the Safety spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Left tackles are not over valued. Looking at last year where many were selected in the 1st round. Tackles in general are critical especially against teams running 3-4 hybrid variation where you have larger speed guys coming around the edge to get to the quarterback. Tackles have to be very light on their feet, very quick, fast reacting.

But they also have to be able to aggressively bulldoze defenders on rushing plays. They have to be big, strong, with a nasty streak.

If Vinny considers this "over valued" he is in the wrong business.

Posted by: periculum | July 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I think she's referring to the right to be able to fight against an authoritarian regime. I don't think she's advocating rule by force, the opposite actually.

..tyrants & patriots, that whole jazz.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Cheap shot buddy. Rome wasn't built in no day.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

But Rome didn't have bufoons running it either.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 2:07 PM

Failed your Western Civ history class did yah? Ever hear of Nero, Caligula, not to mention about half a dozen other buffons who ran Rome into the ground

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I heard on good authority that Smoot chain smokes Newports. That is some funny stuff.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The NFC East is a runners division these days. All 4 teams have questions at WR and good running backs. Not to mention we have solid group of guys in the Safety spot.

Not as far as the Eagles and Giants are concerned. Both have made dramatic improvements to their offenses, especially the Eagles who were able to revamp both tackle positions. The wide receiver position has been upgraded.

The Giants also did well in that regard ... but a lot of that is based on the draft. While still maintaining what many consider the very best defensive line in the league.


Posted by: periculum | July 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"If you get 4 or 5 sacks in a game and the other team still manages to score 21 or more points because your offense struggles to stay on the field"

Surprise: the Redskins were 6th in the NFL in Time of Possession last season.

Shocking, isn't it.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Skins ignored the OL in the off season. The top three OTs were already taken by the 9th pick and DE Orapko was still available; the next best OT went to the Ravens with the 26th pick...

However, the Skins did pick up three very good OL in free agency: LG Dockery, RG/RT Bridges, and RT Williams -- two will probably be starters -- although Heyer could win the starting RT job in his third year. They also had a number of 2nd and 3rd year OL holdovers: Rinehart, Clark, Batiste, Mongomery, Riley + picked up two undrafted free agents who could make the team/practice squad: C/G E. Williams and Burely.

The Skins are in much better shape on the o-line vs last year. Even with question marks at starting RT and RG. And they need to determine the backups/special team players at all Oline positions.

Posted by: siris | July 17, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"The Giants also did well in that regard"

peric, care to elaborate on that?? The giants lost Ward, Toomer, and Plax. Over 1000 yards on the ground, and I believe over 100 catches.

"especially the Eagles who were able to revamp both tackle positions"

By chance do you know who gave up the most sacks in the NFL last year, what offensive linemen??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

That is shocking, PSP. It certainly felt like we were wearing the D out.

Mebbe you compare that stat to Field Position and it explains the perception a bit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Defensive ends do tend to go a bit higher than their consensus evaluations would suggest -- like Mario Williams going first to Houston overall a few years back, or Gaines Adams to Tampa. When they slide, like Terrell Suggs, it's usually a surprise.

They're not as overvalued as quarterbacks, of course. And left tackles have ascended quite a bit in importance, while linebackers and safeties are often undervalued by pro GMs, who think they can get them in lower rounds. And tight ends may be valued least of all, until the past five or six drafts, that is.

What Cerrato was saying was that Jarmon wouldn't have been there in the third round next draft, and by moving now, they also get him for an extra year.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Surprise: the Redskins were 6th in the NFL in Time of Possession last season.

Shocking, isn't it.

Posted by: psps23 | July 17, 2009 2:54 PM

Not really, the biggest problem was both red zone production. How many times did we take FG attempts or got penalties that pushed us back. Too many for me to remember. A lot of games the offense move the ball only to sputter out and die when it counted.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes seriously, from my understanding of the history. Rome had basically 2 great emperors Augustus and Julius Caesar, (who I believe their total rule added up to about a century) after Augustus died they were mired by a sea of mediocrity and occasional outright incompetence. The empire was only sustained by the lack of competition during expansion.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

nice job al...ya broke it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Noon,
I have been looking and cannot find a good "Redzone" stat on the skins sadly.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Much like the decree I issued at the party where we were debating Jodeci vs. Dru Hill: Any music discussion must immediately stop once the words "That show at the Cheesecake, no wait, Fudge Factory" have been uttered.

Any football blog must immediately stop once the merits of individual roman emperors are debated.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

bean

"...moe, I'd like to see what EXACTLY the Jay's are asking for, is it 3 top line guys, is it 4, specifically as well is it 2 pitchers and 1 position player....lots of questions..."

I know.

Thing is, an in division trade means they want a lot.

And nobody wants to help the Sawx-Yanks.

The shameful thing is, they'll send him to an NL for next to nothing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Dik, I'ma take a guess here and say that Dru Hill performed at the cheesecake or fudge factory...

Jodeci was them boys in the '90s. Dru Hill was cool too, but Jodeci has more songs that I remember than Dru Hill.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

They're smoking Boat in Lincoln, Neb.?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 17, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If you couldnt "score" playing Jodeci in the '90s something was wrong with you.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

O-line.

You tool.

Nice try, selling a 3rd round pick - which only four other teams rated as a 4th round pick - as a 2nd round pick, and to try to somehow twist his drug experience into a positive attribute that makes him a good Redskins and locker room guy.

Posted by: SammyT1 | July 17, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Jodeci was them boys in the '90s.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 17, 2009 3:33 PM


OOOOOOHHHHHH YEEAHHHHH

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 17, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

moe, normally, I agree with you, but, I can't see doc going for next to nothing, especially when you can throw in the Yanks and Sox having an interest, the Jays will use that to their advantage.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

By no means did I wish to re-start the debate... lmao!

...and I believe I said "Fudge Factory", thereby ending it. hahahahahah.

..maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The blog is dead. Long live the blog.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

There were a few posts recently about the possibility of a AH suspension after he copped to a reckless driving misdem. If he were suspended it probably would be for one game. And it probably would be for the first game of the season against the Giants in the meadow, not a game that many have penciled in a "W" for the Skins. Still, who knows what actually will happen because we don't know the deets about the incident.

1. Was the incident the result of sloppy driving on the part of AH, him not being well versed in how to handle a driving machine like a Ferrari?

2. Or was it the result of road rage, AH getting ticked at the guy because he wouldn't let him pass and then giving him a bump?

If it is 1. then no suspension is warranted but if 2. then one would be. Based on the lack of noise from the Commish you would guess it is 1. But the problem is we don't know the deets.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

*pokey* *pokey*

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Noon,
I have been looking and cannot find a good "Redzone" stat on the skins sadly.

Posted by: alex35332

Found on USA Today site
Redskins Off Red Zone TD production 24th overall
Def 13th

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

But Wynn is a good dude, so I don't think we should leave him out in the cold. He does a lot of charitable stuff for this town compared to others on the team......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I wish he would make a charitable donation to the double digit sack fund.

Posted by: Ih8Dallas

Snarky, Dallas I'll give you that. But flat wrong. The LDE doesn't sack people in Blache's scheme. He stuffs the run.

Fortunately Blache makes the cut calls, not the bozos on this board.

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

He was loooking for a good stat!

Those nuumbers are awful. It seems to me that Campb3ell looks more uncomfortable in the redzone.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

By chance do you know who gave up the most sacks in the NFL last year, what offensive linemen??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 2:58 PM |

It is one of these "riddle me" deals - riddle me how an LT stud can give up so many sacks? Ans: he wanted to shuffle on out of Buffalo.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Failed your Western Civ history class did yah? Ever hear of Nero, Caligula, not to mention about half a dozen other buffons who ran Rome into the ground

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh great...what's the best way to fend off nerd attacks?

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If you look at total scoring TDs and FGs combined (I loaded data into Excel, I know but I work in IT) we ranked 29th. UGLY!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh great...what's the best way to fend off nerd attacks?

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 4:43 PM

Stop posting :)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If you look at total scoring TDs and FGs combined (I loaded data into Excel, I know but I work in IT) we ranked 29th. UGLY!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:44 PM

Just so my soul can throw up a bit more...

Anyone know who were the three teams were that we finished ahead of?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

By chance do you know who gave up the most sacks in the NFL last year, what offensive linemen??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 2:58 PM |

It is one of these "riddle me" deals - riddle me how an LT stud can give up so many sacks? Ans: he wanted to shuffle on out of Buffalo.

Posted by: LibertyValence | July 17, 2009 4:40 PM

Didn't attend OTAs, late to camp, out of shape and new offensive scheme a perfect storm of me-first attitude because he did not get a better contract after the signed Dock and the other OL guy that year

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Didnt I hear that Detroit scored more points that the Skins last year.

Brutal

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"If you look at total scoring TDs and FGs combined (I loaded data into Excel, I know but I work in IT) we ranked 29th."

You didn't have to go to that trouble, NFL.com or Elias would be happy to do it for you.

But yes, the Skins were crappy at scoring TDs, and not much on FGs outside the 40 yard line, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Stop posting :)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Well that's not very nice. There's nothing worse then a condescending nerd. ;)

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know who were the three teams were that we finished ahead of?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:48 PM

Texans, Cowgirls and Jaguars

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse


I read Gary FitzGerald's piece about Jarmon on Redskins.com and I'm not sure which is the bigger puff piece, his or Tenorio's.

I can understand why FitzGerald wouldn't bring it up, but riddle me this: Why didn't Tenorio ask Mr. Cerrato if Jarmon gave him the same kind of assurance Tonorio's Northwestern buddy, Luis Castillo gave GMs before he was drafted.

After substance issues became a factor, Castillo said he would give back his entire bonus if he flunked an NFL drug test.

Seems a reasonable question to ask Cerrato or Jarmon...

Also, Vinny declared the following unequivocably regarding the future use of #1 pick Orakpo, now that Jarmon is on board:

"Orakpo is the exact same as what he was," Cerrato said. "This does not change anything with Brian."

Might have been nice if a Post reporter asked, say Zorn or Blache, Orakpo & Jarmon's coaches, if they had ceded positional decisions over to a front office suit.

Fair question that I don't think would have thrown off the balance, eh 4th?

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Yes seriously, from my understanding of the history. Rome had basically 2 great emperors Augustus and Julius Caesar, (who I believe their total rule added up to about a century) after Augustus died they were mired by a sea of mediocrity and occasional outright incompetence. The empire was only sustained by the lack of competition during expansion.Posted by: alex35332"

Oh brother, better not a let a history prof get a whiff of this horse-patooey. You need to go read a book on Rome this evening.

No offense, but you must have been absent during World History. All of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Just saw a headline that some woman crashed into a virginia DMV...

Anyone heard from RedDMV lately?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Stop posting :)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Well that's not very nice. There's nothing worse then a condescending nerd. ;)

Posted by: ga8085 | July 17, 2009 4:51 PM

I prefer the term witty

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I prefer the term witty

Posted by: noonefromtampa

concur

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Snarky, Dallas I'll give you that. But flat wrong. The LDE doesn't sack people in Blache's scheme. He stuffs the run.

Fortunately Blache makes the cut calls, not the bozos on this board.


Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

You are totally correct, and a left corner as opposed to the right corner is supposed to get all the INTs. It was a joke,lighten up it's 5oclock on a Friday

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I am starting a petition to convince my wife to let me name our pending baby Sean Taylor.

I show her the blog regularly so please help me out here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 12:26 PM

Dude, I will be honored to be the first to appeal to your Mrs for this name. This is a honorable name for a honorable man.
This is a name cut short due to no fault of the bearer.
I hope your wife agrees with you but, if She didn't, you can always have that name in your heart. It's too late for my wife to have any more kids but, as far as I'm concerned, I will respect that name for 21 years. Give us the update on this and thanks for your consideration.
Hail!

Note: Please do not mane your Child Leigh
Torrence or Danny White.

Posted by: abxinc | July 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I am starting a petition to convince my wife to let me name our pending baby Sean Taylor.

I show her the blog regularly so please help me out here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 12:26 PM

I vote for Tony Banks

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hadrian was one of the best Roman emperors,
put down a lot of revolts (sorry Britannia and Judea) heavy deaths on the losers but upside he is credited with expanding culture of Rome and a lot of remaining Roman structure were built during his reign

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

More pro football news after these breaking developments:

*Tiger’s out at the British open

*Cuban's court case is thrown out

*Yao’s out til October 2010

*Roddicks’ out at Indy

*Army’s out of its mind—will play Notre dame next year at Yankee Stadium

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

No offense, but you must have been absent during World History. All of it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Actually I was usually top 5 of my history classes in HS, though admittedly my strong suits are US history (revolution in particular). I was giving my interpretation of what I saw from Rome's history looking at it now. And I stand by my statement

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Constantine the Great.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 17, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Red Alert....nerds on the blog

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Hadrian would be up there too, he was very smart in the whole, building the wall in england and whatnot.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Some things not right with USA Today stats, they do not match final standings on NFL.com at least for Pts Scored/Allowed.


Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Constantine the Great.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Jimmy the Greek

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Constantine the Great.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 17, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Overrated IMHO. Get 1 city named after you and you think your king of the F***ing empire. If it weren't for the christianity thing, I am gonna guess most people would not remember him.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

One major difference: Castillo's positive test was a steroid (andro). Jarmon's was from a dietary supplement...

That may have had something to do with the need for an assurance from Castillo.

As for asking Cerrato and not a coach...those questions will come when coaches are available in training camp starting July 30.

Posted by: P-Ten | July 17, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I like Frank the Tank

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 17, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Army can't beat Navy and Navy has two wins in the last 46 years and the one in 1963 was led by that number 12 guy whose name shall not be mentioned.

Go Navy! Beat Army!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Some things not right with USA Today stats, they do not match final standings on NFL.com at least for Pts Scored/Allowed.


Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:15 PM

Nevermind, it's late Friday and the brian is fried, the stats are for RedZone production only... so they won't match points for the season, but that makes me think...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Some things not right with USA Today stats, they do not match final standings on NFL.com at least for Pts Scored/Allowed.


Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:15 PM

Nevermind, it's late Friday and the brian is fried, the stats are for RedZone production only... so they won't match points for the season, but that makes me think...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I wasn't saying you were wrong but Constantine achieved a little more than that for which you give him credit. And Augustus ranks up there with Constantine.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 17, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Posted by: hclark1 | July 17, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Red Zone stats - 2008

Rankings
Red Zone Possesions O=20 D=6
Red Zone Scoring O=29 D=27
% Pts from RZ O=1 D=23

I find the last stat is the most telling, sounds like we do not score as much unless we are in the red zone.
Lack of big plays, long TD passes, long TD runs, or returns for TDs. The D keeps them out of the red zone but the other team score 70.6% of the time once the reached there.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

LH,
I know, of course I was being sarcastic somewhat there. Constantine was a good military general, right up there with the rest of them. But in my mind I think of the Holly Roman Empire/ Byzantine Empire as different entirely from the original Rome, if that makes any sense.

I almost look at it as thought if one were to call the US Empire part of the old British Empire because the US was born out of England.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

God save the Queen and good evening to all

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 17, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course Caesar was the best. Thats how he got a chain of pizza joints after him.

Otherwise it would be Little Constantines

Pizza Pizza

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

hclark1

"The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record."

C'mon, let's be a little optimistic and totally realistic.

5-5 the first 10 games, then 4-2 the final six.

That's 9-7 and no playoffs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

peric, care to elaborate on that?? The giants lost Ward, Toomer, and Plax. Over 1000 yards on the ground, and I believe over 100 catches.

Okay,

Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Smith, Moss, and Hixon.

As I said it depends on how their draft pans out.

I think Barden and Nicks will surprise people. IMHO, not a sure thing. Bradshaw and Jacobs at running back.


Posted by: periculum | July 17, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Actually I was usually top 5 of my history classes in HS, though admittedly my strong suits are US history (revolution in particular). I was giving my interpretation of what I saw from Rome's history looking at it now. And I stand by my statement. Posted by: alex35332"

You can't stand by your statement; it's wrong. Start with this small error: Julius Caesar was never Emperor.

They stabbed him to prevent it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

after Augustus died they were mired by a sea of mediocrity and occasional outright incompetence.

Posted by: alex35332

I thought this was Cork talking about the death of Jack Kent Cooke.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Im feeling good about all the additions on defense. The defensive scheme is much more deeply rooted obviously than the offense, why not make the moves to make the defense elite, rather than take a chance that you can make the offense above average. You hear about teams winning it all with a great defense and an ok offense, but not usually the other way around. The offense has much further to go so to me it makes sense to give them the breating room to step up or after this year be blown up. I think betting on zorn or blatche having a job next year, we would all make the same bet.

Posted by: crl22191 | July 17, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

He does a lot of charitable stuff for this town compared to others on the team ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 17, 2009 12:52 PM |

In his charity work has he done anything to help Jerry's Kids? If he did, at least we could forget about having to Sorry so much.

Posted by: SonOfStan | July 17, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Has this Jarmon kid ever played left tackle?

Posted by: p1funk | July 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

You can't stand by your statement; it's wrong. Start with this small error: Julius Caesar was never Emperor.

They stabbed him to prevent it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse


He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him...

Posted by: p1funk | July 17, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"Left tackles are not over valued. Looking at last year where many were selected in the 1st round."

He means that GMs tend to select them early for fear all the good ones will be gone by the third round. Because of this fear, potential left tackles might go a round or two ahead of where you might think. Or where they'd go had they been a comparably talented middle linebacker.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"Surprise: the Redskins were 6th in the NFL in Time of Possession last season.Shocking, isn't it.Posted by: psps23"

Not at all -- it's been pointed out here at least a dozen times. Probably played a role in the defense's success, as well, since they weren't on the field for long stretches. The Skins were an excellent ball-control offense, particularly in the first half. They had trouble putting the ball in the end zone.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him...Posted by: p1funk"

Congrats, you've discovered a whole new way of being wrong.

I see a Fox News show in your future.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.
Posted by: hclark1

Do you happen to know which ones? It'd save me a bunch of time this fall, particularly on Monday mornings...

Posted by: daggar | July 17, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

This front office has shown some extremely poor judgement in the past and I do harbor some resentment for that,but I'm sort of digging this anti-Belechik manor of business,openly displaying interest in prospects and challenging them to put up or shut up.It's bold and refreshing sort of,and temporary.

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I think Dan Snyder regrets all the turnover in the coaching staff and is motivated to make it work with Zorn,kind of like someone in their 2nd or 3rd marriage.Cowher is the wildcard,Snyder would have a hard time resisting an opportunity like that.Cowher is a living legend ala Gibbs period.Snyder would do it I think.thoughts?Oh yeah redskins will go 11-5 I'm stoked to see this defense in action folks I know its on paper but greg blatche is the real deal he will get results.Todd Collins story is intrigueing will he make it through camp with that salary?And if he doesnt that would leave us with 2 shrimp at quarterback,scary prospect If Colt fails.Whats wrong with offering Runyon a nice 1 year contract?he still has to win a spot on the roster like anyone else, pass a physical as well, you terds who dismiss this idea.

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

I think Dan Snyder regrets all the turnover in the coaching staff and is motivated to make it work with Zorn,kind of like someone in their 2nd or 3rd marriage.Cowher is the wildcard,Snyder would have a hard time resisting an opportunity like that.Cowher is a living legend ala Gibbs period.Snyder would do it I think.thoughts?Oh yeah redskins will go 11-5 I'm stoked to see this defense in action folks I know its on paper but greg blatche is the real deal he will get results.Todd Collins story is intrigueing will he make it through camp with that salary?And if he doesnt that would leave us with 2 shrimp at quarterback,scary prospect If Colt fails.Whats wrong with offering Runyon a nice 1 year contract?he still has to win a spot on the roster like anyone else, pass a physical as well, you terds who dismiss this idea.

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Another reason the offense was ranked so highly at time of posession is because our defence was first in the league at generating three and outs.Thats why I'm so optimistic about this defence,I hope they opt to defend on the opening kickoff against the giants just so I dont have to wait any longer.Anyone share my enthusiasm?

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Wll Campbell become an elite QB? Will M Kelly and Devin T step up and contribute? Will F Davis allow Cooley to create mis-match problems for the D?

If a lot of those ?'s move into the yes column we might be in for an awesome ride...

Posted by: Devo2 | July 17, 2009
If either Kelly or Devin steps up, Campbell will be one of the top QBs in the league. If both, and/or Davis come through, I'd say pro bowl, as long as the O line doesnt fall apart .

Posted by: kenboy1 | July 18, 2009 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Wll Campbell become an elite QB? Will M Kelly and Devin T step up and contribute? Will F Davis allow Cooley to create mis-match problems for the D?

If a lot of those ?'s move into the yes column we might be in for an awesome ride...

Posted by: Devo2 | July 17, 2009
If either Kelly or D Thomas come through, and if the O line doesnt fall apart, Campbell will be one of the top 5 QBs in the NFC. If both come through along with Davis, pro bowl is a big possiblity. All contingent of course on the O line not falling apart

Posted by: kenboy1 | July 18, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow....

I am speechless on the analysis.

(Talk about Fair and Balanced)

Posted by: 4thFloor

I couldn't agree more 4th. Reminds me of the days when I first join the blog. Good to have those days back again.

Posted by: jm220 | July 18, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

kenboy

'..Will Campbell become an elite QB?'

Campbell's progress is too interdependant for him to become '..elite..'.

For starters, in a league of 3-4 wide sets, two very good receiving options must be developed out of the following list of
players:

Fred Davis
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly
Roydell Williams

Too, the offensive's pass blocking has to hold up to where if a play breaks down, Jason can scramble, a la Big Ben, and '..make plays..' with his legs/arms.

And then there's the Portis/Moss issue: they both have to remain healthy for the length of the next couple of seasons (fat chance) to give Campbell reliable, veteran targets.

I see in all of this a quarterback who grows into a game management role where 3,400-3,800 passing yards and a low touchdown/interceptions ratio is preferred to '..elite..'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I see in all of this a quarterback who grows into a game management role where 3,400-3,800 passing yards and a low touchdown/interceptions ratio is preferred to '..elite..'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse
I agree, MM. That's where JC is now, and I think that is about all we can expect. But that is fine with me. We can win it all if we can surround him with top atheletes. And I think we are approaching that point. If just the young receivers come through.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 18, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone share my enthusiasm?Posted by: mark65"

I'm not much for predictions, but doesn't it seem reasonable that we lose some of our defensive efficiency in an effort to pressure the QB and create more turnovers?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not much for predictions, but doesn't it seem reasonable that we lose some of our defensive efficiency in an effort to pressure the QB and create more turnovers?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 10:01 AM |

Lose efficiency? I thought the logical word was "gain."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"I see in all of this a quarterback who grows into a game management role where 3,400-3,800 passing yards and a low touchdown/interceptions ratio is preferred to '..elite..'.Posted by: MistaMoe"

Not sure I'm grasping this -- what's a low TD/INT ratio? Philip Rivers was 3 to 1, Peyton Manning 2.45 to 1, Warner 2.14 to 1, Drew Brees 2 to 1. Ben R. on the other hand was 1.13 to 1, and they won the Super Bowl. Jason came in at 2.13 to 1, a virtual dead heat with McNabb and Eli as well as Kurt W. Tony Romo was a step below at 1.86 to 1.

Weird that the guy who got the ring was by far the worst of the group, at least until it counted. Here's a worse won: Joe Flacco of the 12-4 Ravens (1.13 to 1).

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Samson151 wrote:

I'm not much for predictions, but doesn't it seem reasonable that we lose some of our defensive efficiency in an effort to pressure the QB and create more turnovers?


If the Redskins were to get pressure on the QB through throwing additional players into blitzes, I would say so, but Blache doesn't blitz as often as Greg Williams, preferring to let the defensive linemen put the pressure on. If the linemen can increase the sacks total, I think the defense's efficiency will actually improve. An increase in sacks is quite welcome, but what I would really like to see come from the added focus on the defensive line is more takeaways.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 18, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody know if Steve Marino, who's from Fairfax, is a Skins fan? I'm definitely pulling for Tom Watson since my boy Ernie is struggling, but if Marino is a part of Redskins Nation I'll have a hard time rooting against him.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 18, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him...Posted by: p1funk"

Congrats, you've discovered a whole new way of being wrong.

I see a Fox News show in your future.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, it's alot fresher than re-hashing the same old ways to be wrong...that's how you land on MSNBC...

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

kenboy

'..Will Campbell become an elite QB?'


Too, the offensive's pass blocking has to hold up to where if a play breaks down, Jason can scramble, a la Big Ben, and '..make plays..' with his legs/arms.

I see in all of this a quarterback who grows into a game management role where 3,400-3,800 passing yards and a low touchdown/interceptions ratio is preferred to '..elite..'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse


Campbell doesn't have to be an "elite" QB with the current direction of the team - much the same way that Big Ben and Joe Flacco are not and do not have to be "elite" QBs for their teams to have success.

We seem to be angling to be the Ravens/Steelers of the NFC East.

As Moe pointed out, a game-manager with a low turnover ratio will suffice (along with a move-the-chains running game), and I think Campbell can certainly pull that off.

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Also, Vinny declared the following unequivocably regarding the future use of #1 pick Orakpo, now that Jarmon is on board:

"Orakpo is the exact same as what he was," Cerrato said. "This does not change anything with Brian."

Might have been nice if a Post reporter asked, say Zorn or Blache, Orakpo & Jarmon's coaches, if they had ceded positional decisions over to a front office suit.

Fair question that I don't think would have thrown off the balance, eh 4th?

Posted by: TheCork | July 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse


Stop hating on the new guy just b/c Vinny actually talks to him.

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"As Moe pointed out, a game-manager with a low turnover ratio will suffice (along with a move-the-chains running game), and I think Campbell can certainly pull that off.Posted by: p1funk"

That's something quite different. Moe referred to a 'low TD/interception ratio." A low turnover ratio would be something along the lines of number of pass attempts vs number of INTs, right? Campbell is already among the league's best at that (1%). In fact, he probably was the best.

Another thing I noticed: Jason got sacked a lot (38 times) and had 47 rushing carries, yet only lost one fumble.

Campbell doesn't win many games for you, but he doesn't lose them, either -- in comparison to somebody like Jay Cutler or Brett Favre. If Jason doubles his TD passes this season, for instance, and also doubles his INTs, I'm not sure the overall result would be much better. He wasn't the reason we finished 8-8 last year.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

That's something quite different. Moe referred to a 'low TD/interception ratio." A low turnover ratio would be something along the lines of number of pass attempts vs number of INTs, right? Campbell is already among the league's best at that (1%). In fact, he probably was the best.

Another thing I noticed: Jason got sacked a lot (38 times) and had 47 rushing carries, yet only lost one fumble.

Campbell doesn't win many games for you, but he doesn't lose them, either -- in comparison to somebody like Jay Cutler or Brett Favre. If Jason doubles his TD passes this season, for instance, and also doubles his INTs, I'm not sure the overall result would be much better. He wasn't the reason we finished 8-8 last year.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


Yes it is different. I scanned the post and thought it read "TO/interception ratio".

I think Campbell can be a successful game manager. I think he needs to continue to keep the turnovers low. Throwing more TDs will depend on (1) the play of the O-line, (2) the comfort level of JC and WRs now in their second year of offense, and (3) maintaining a strong running game to provide balance - unlike last year when the running game went south in the second half of the season.

But for sure, it will be the defense carrying the team.

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Gaius Julius Caesar was never Emperor, however, he did retain the judicial and military authority known as Inperium. HIs correct title would be "Princeps Romanus" or first man of rome. His assasination was brought about as a result of his assumption of dictatorial powers and the belief held by other senators that he would indeed crown himself King. (Sorry, could not resist. I have a PHD in Roman History lol). Has anyone else noticed the veritable stock pile of young talent this team has accumulated this off season! I am stoked about our propects for success.

Posted by: ederic | July 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

after Augustus died they were mired by a sea of mediocrity and occasional outright incompetence.

Posted by: alex35332

I thought this was Cork talking about the death of Jack Kent Cooke.

Posted by: talent_evaluator


Cooke only THOUGHT he was Caesar.

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I forgotten a lot of info about Caesar and the Roman Empire, facts I had at my fingertips back in my salad days.

But one thing I'll never forget:

Omnia Gaulia en tres partes, divida est.

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"

Gaius Julius Caesar was never Emperor, however, he did retain the judicial and military authority known as Inperium. HIs correct title would be "Princeps Romanus" or first man of rome. His assasination was brought about as a result of his assumption of dictatorial powers and the belief held by other senators that he would indeed crown himself King."

He wasn't the first to be dictator, however, was he? I'm thinking of Sulla. The political strategy was to exploit a crisis and scare the Senate into naming you dictator, and then just never quite manage to relinquish those powers. Apparently they never thought of a semi-permanent 'War on Terror'. Caesar managed to get himself named on a permanent basis, but the Empire officially begins with Augustus around 27BC.

"Has anyone else noticed the veritable stock pile of young talent this team has accumulated this off season!"

What stockpile? Who am I forgetting?

(Sorry, could not resist. I have a PHD in Roman History lol). Has anyone else noticed the veritable stock pile of young talent this team has accumulated this off season! I am stoked about our propects for success.Posted by: ederic

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

... back in my salad days.

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:12 PM

Cork has progressed from his "salad days" through his wine-tasting days, past his meat and potatoes days, and is now in his soft diet days. "More jello, please, nurse!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him...Posted by: p1funk"

Congrats, you've discovered a whole new way of being wrong.

I see a Fox News show in your future.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's alot fresher than re-hashing the same old ways to be wrong...that's how you land on MSNBC...

Posted by: p1funk

Gee, the guy with the circular logic is a Conservative. SHOCKER!

Aw, what the hey, funk can't argue the issues so he rips a TV network.

Then to my suggestion that Tenorio's piece would have been better if he had asked the coaches what they thought of Vinny making on-field personnel decisions, Funk offers this brilliant observation:

"Stop hating on the new guy just b/c Vinny actually talks to him."

Show me where I wrote Tenorio should NOT talk to Vinny and I'll buy you a brand new copy of "Posting for Dummies"

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone think the Redskins are going 4-12. That is such an ignorant statement, and possibly ruined my whole day. I'm not blogging again until Monday.......peace

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

.. back in my salad days.

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:12 PM

Cork has progressed from his "salad days" through his wine-tasting days, past his meat and potatoes days, and is now in his soft diet days. "More jello, please, nurse!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

Snappy comeback, T_E... I was gonna tear you a new one, but I forgot the point I wanted to make. Oh, look, Cows!

Wait, now I remember.

Jello Schmello. I'm proud to tell you my doc told me this week that my freaking cholesterol and Triglycerides are too high.

You don't get there by gumming Bill Cosby's favorite dessert, buddy.

Personally, I'd have thought you'd have gone for the obvious slipping mentis snark, in that my post exhibited one of the surest signs of creeping senility and gray matter loss known to humankind--PUNNING.


Or didn't you catch the "Caesar salad" aspect of it. Hmmm, maybe YOU'RE the one eatin' the Jello...

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I forgotten a lot of info about Caesar and the Roman Empire, facts I had at my fingertips back in my salad days.

But one thing I'll never forget:

Omnia Gaulia en tres partes, divida est.

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:12 PM

I prefer the Rubicon quote

Alea iacta est

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What a relief it is to know that TE and Cork don't just go at it from 9 to 5.

Nice to know that it's like a constant background radiation that over time may cause cell mutations and such as...

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | July 18, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Or didn't you catch the "Caesar salad" aspect of it. Hmmm, maybe YOU'RE the one eatin' the Jello...

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:48 PM

With these teeth? Are you kidding? I put it in the blender and drink it through a straw. Mellow jello smoothie. It doesn't get much better.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"We seem to be angling to be the Ravens/Steelers of the NFC East."

There's no shame in that game.

Both teams have defenses that 'confuse' and pressure blocking schemes/quarterbacks, and possess efficient quarterbacks.

That's an angle that's not all that obtuse to understand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"I prefer the Rubicon quote Alea iacta est
Posted by: noonefromtamp"

Then you'll like this game:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40760

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What a relief it is to know that TE and Cork don't just go at it from 9 to 5.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | July 18, 2009 1:16 PM

9 to 5? Me and Cork? No way. We're not clockwatchers like too many of the regulars up here. We're hardcore, dedicated 24/7 guys. And we got at it 24/7, just not with each other. We're more like a tag team. Except that our tags say stuff like "close-out," "inventory reduction," or "buy one get one free."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 18, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I prefer computer games because I can play anytime/anywhere (instead of trying to round up friends). Like historical/sims games like Empire Earth series, Hearts of Iron series.

Did play a lot of board back in the day (HS, college). We had a WW2 Europe game that was huge (we built a table out of 4x8 sheet of plywood). Much different war if Hitler sends a few more divisions to North Africa and seizes the Suez canal.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"We seem to be angling to be the Ravens/Steelers of the NFC East."

There's no shame in that game.

Both teams have defenses that 'confuse' and pressure blocking schemes/quarterbacks, and possess efficient quarterbacks.

That's an angle that's not all that obtuse to understand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there's any shame in it. Just making an observation. I don't mind beating teams 17-14 as long as we beat them.

Though it does seem to be a deviation from the sexy West Coast football that Snerrato seemed bent on implementing when they brought in Zorn.

Maybe when Sneratto saw the Steelers come into FedEx last year and crush the Skins with all those yellow towels waving, they just cried "uncle" and decided to copycat...

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him...Posted by: p1funk"

Congrats, you've discovered a whole new way of being wrong.

I see a Fox News show in your future.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's alot fresher than re-hashing the same old ways to be wrong...that's how you land on MSNBC...

Posted by: p1funk

Gee, the guy with the circular logic is a Conservative. SHOCKER!

Aw, what the hey, funk can't argue the issues so he rips a TV network.

Then to my suggestion that Tenorio's piece would have been better if he had asked the coaches what they thought of Vinny making on-field personnel decisions, Funk offers this brilliant observation:

"Stop hating on the new guy just b/c Vinny actually talks to him."

Show me where I wrote Tenorio should NOT talk to Vinny and I'll buy you a brand new copy of "Posting for Dummies"

Posted by: TheCork | July 18, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse


It was only a matter of time before Corky put down his nude photos of JLa and got into the discussion...after all I burned his 2 sacred cows - LaCanfora and MSNBC...

Funny how Samson opened fire raggin on Fox News, but it's only my comment about MSNBC that draws ire about attacking a TV station b/c I can't argue the issues.

Typical dyed-in-the-wool-lefty-head posturing: Masquerading as thoughtful open-minded people when they're really liberal gestapo types who only sanction the ideas approved by MoveOn.org.

Take Sean Hannity, tatoo a donkey on his forehead and you've got Cork.

Show me where I wrote that you said Tenorio should not talk to Vinny. (Can you follow that logic?)

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Tenorio is an excellent reporter.

The flabby bag of pus known as JLC was a low-rent muckraker with sub-par writing skills.

There is no comparison.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | July 18, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Funny how Samson opened fire raggin on Fox News, but it's only my comment about MSNBC that draws ire about attacking a TV station b/c I can't argue the issues."

Raggin' on Fox? I just said I saw a Fox news show in your future. Is that an insult?

Funny what draws a booboo lip these days...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Jeremy Jarmon?

I like the pick, but I wouldn't put it on a level such as 'Pacman' and Sctrip clubs.

I see the term 'logic' again being tossed around like the morning newspaper; Let's keep the term 'logic' in mathematical contexts shall we?

And damn if the more Cork types, the more transparent he becomes. Hey Cork, why is it that social profiling your azz seems easier than scoring a piece of New Jersey azz? Excuse my sexual innuendo for I know that such talk escaped your charming--ad nauseam--schtick a long time ago..

You don't have to respond to my question or my post either--you'd probably have an easier time trying to explain physics to your Schnauzer :p

Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I think the first Roman leader to carry the title "Dictator" was Fabius Unctator who was given the power to combat the invasion of Hannibal in the second Punic War. --- I love the talent level of our reserve personnel this year compared to last. I feel Good!

Posted by: ederic | July 18, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know if Steve Marino, who's from Fairfax, is a Skins fan? I'm definitely pulling for Tom Watson since my boy Ernie is struggling, but if Marino is a part of Redskins Nation I'll have a hard time rooting against him.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 18, 2009 10:34 AM |

I heard that Tiger was so pissed off about his MC that he told a local reporter who was asking him some questions to "shove some gorse up you orse".

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 18, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of strip clubs,

Which female actress would you most like to see in that type of role?

Honorable mentions:
Demi Moore - Striptease
Jessica Alba - Sin City
Lindsey Lohan - I know who killed me
Jessica Biel - Powder Blue

The obvious choices aside(Megan Fox, Halle Berry) I think I would like to see Pink, even though she's not as actress, in that role..

Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

vicc

"..Which female actress would you most like to see in that type of role (stripper)?"


Moe's List:

Megan Good

Heidi Klum

That chick named Amber that Kanye West was taggin' and shaggin' this past spring.

Kelly Rowland

Jenna Jamison

That extra-thick female from the Outkast video "..I like the way you move.." from back in the day.

Karen Steffens

Tyra Banks

A selected actress from a 'novella' show on Univision, Telemundo or any other spanish language show.

Janet Jackson, age 25, btw

Finally, because he is a realist, Moe takes Oprah Winfrey into the 'champaigne room' with his best game ready to talk into her ear.

'Cuz if you can pull Oprah, well, it opens up a lot of other possibilities....


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Oprah Winfrey?

No Doubt..I'd drink her bath water for those possibilities. lol


Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Pour me 4oz of Tanqueray, 2oz triple sec with lemon twist and I'll tell you all about it!!!

Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&id=4336261

Check this out

I understand what I'm reading, but I don't understand it???

I still believe that the athletes have the power and the new football league coming out--I forget what it is called--could not have come at a better time should these events in the article come to pass right?

Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Raggin' on Fox? I just said I saw a Fox news show in your future. Is that an insult?

Funny what draws a booboo lip these days...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Considering that you connected the Fox News show to inventing a new way to be wrong, I'd say that the LOGICAL conclusion is that you meant it as an insult...

Posted by: p1funk | July 18, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Possible News This Week?:

B Orakpo gets signed

K Barnes gets signed

Malcolm Kelly's knee holds up

A Roman leader is assassinated just before he's made cesaer.

Mike Williams snaps, breaks his diet, and goes spastic in a Popeye's food line.

CP wonders what his yardage would be if the offensive line was better (ooops, last year--sorry).

Vinny and Dan feed Mark Sanchez and Jay Cutler one more time before realizing how stupid they looked doing it last spring.

Moe stops blogging.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"Considering that you connected the Fox News show to inventing a new way to be wrong, I'd say that the LOGICAL conclusion is that you meant it as an insult...Posted by: p1fun"

Nah, it was a compliment. I admire the network as a propaganda outlet. Ever notice how when somebody points out they're not actually 'fair and balanced', they don't bother to dispute it? Instead, they insist that the liberals are just as bad.

Good sports coverage, however. They're really into their sports.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Whadda 'bout Jarmon signing as well?

and how long of a vacation from the blog will you be taking Moe?

Posted by: Vicc | July 18, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Tenorio is an excellent reporter.

The flabby bag of pus known as JLC was a low-rent muckraker with sub-par writing skills.

There is no comparison.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | July 18, 2009 3:34 PM |

I bet your kudos give him the heaves. D/Wind bag.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Lose efficiency? I thought the logical word was "gain."Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Well, here's my thinking. The Skins' high defensive ranking was based in part on consistency -- they excelled at stopping drives and keeping the other team out of the end zone. They were distinctly less successful at other measures such as forced TOs and QB pressures. As they alter their strategy (including personnel) to improve in those respects, they may in fact experience a decline in measures such as total yards yielded, points yielded, etc. Because they're using different players, being more aggressive, and taking bigger risks (which puts pressure on the secondary, for instance).

I don't know if this will be the case -- just mentioning the possibility.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 18, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

vicc

"...how long of a vacation from the blog will you be taking Moe?"

A vacation from blogging?

How long will I be gone?

(INSERT image of sand speeding furiously to the bottom of an hourglass.)

Time's up.

It's great to be back.

I was born tan, now I'm rested, and ready to get my snarky on.

Sorry to be gone so long, y'all, but hey, a guy needs a break every once in a while.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Back to the 2010 draft question and what OT's are good

From Gil Brandt on NFL.com
Top OT Prospects for 2010 draft [read seniors]

1. Trent Williams
College: Oklahoma
Height/Weight: 6-4, 305

2. Russell Okung
College: Oklahoma State
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 300

3. Adam Ulatoski
College: Texas
Height/Weight: 6-7, 305

4. Selvish Capers
College: West Virginia
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 295

5. Ciron Black
College: LSU
Height/Weight: 6-4, 325

6. Tony Washington
College: Abilene Christian
Height/Weight: 6-6, 305

7. Sam Young
College: Notre Dame
Height/Weight: 6-4, 317

8. Charles Brown
College: USC
Height/Weight: 6-5½, 290

9. Kyle Calloway
College: Iowa
Height/Weight: 6-6½, 318

10. John Jerry
College: Mississippi
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 345

11. Ed Wang
College: Virginia Tech
Height/Weight: 6-4 5/8, 300

12. Mike Tepper
College: California
Height/Weight: 6-5½, 317

13. Kevin Haslam
College: Rutgers
Height/Weight: 6-4¾, 300

14. Rodger Saffold
College: Indiana
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 305

15. Matt Kopa
College: Stanford
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 305

16. Chris Scott
College: Tennessee
Height/Weight: 6-4½, 320

17. Dennis Landolt
College: Penn State
Height/Weight: 6-3, 305

Top Small School Prospects

1. Derek Hardman
College: Eastern Kentucky
Height/Weight: 6-5½, 294

2. Casey Knips
College: South Dakota State
Height/Weight: 6-7½, 309

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Top guard prospects from scout.com

1. Rodney Hudson, Florida State (Jr.)
2. Mike Pouncey, Florida (Jr.)
3. Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
4. John Jerry, Ole Miss
5. Kurtis Gregory, Missouri
6. Mike Johnson, Alabama
7. Brandon Carter, Texas Tech
8. Dan Doering, Iowa
9. Colin Baxter, Arizona (Jr.)
10. John Bender, Nevada (Jr.)
11. Doug Palmer, East Carolina
12. Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
13. Jeff Byers, USC
14. Jacques McClendon, Tennessee

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Back to the 2010 draft question and what OT's are good

From Gil Brandt on NFL.com
Top OT Prospects for 2010 draft [read seniors]

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 10:43 PM

My scenario: We'll trade down, grab two of them in the second round, one with bad knees one with an attitude problem and incapable of learning how to lineup.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 18, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

T_E you are a die hard pessimist!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Yet another thing about this defense I appreciate is the fact they dont try to confuse you with complex schemes and blitzes.Greg Blatche's system seems to be all about beating the oponent man to man without trickery,simple yet affective in a tried and true way.And with our secondary actually possible,thats the catalyst our secondary.I cant fricken wait!

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Samson, I would argue that the additional defensive additions would make the skins more efficient rather than less because Blache will use them in his system rather than change up his system to generate a pass rush. At the same time, the pass rush will be stronger due to the addition of AH.

Skins were at the top of 3 and outs last season, so again, the additions will only help this area under BLACHE's system.

Additionally, the Skins are stronger at OL this year over last year, so can't see efficiency on "D" being an issue.

Posted by: Skins930 | July 18, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

skins930: "Samson, I would argue that the additional defensive additions would make the skins more efficient rather than less because Blache will use them in his system rather than change up his system to generate a pass rush. At the same time, the pass rush will be stronger due to the addition of AH.Skins were at the top of 3 and outs last season, so again, the additions will only help this area under BLACHE's system."

We'll get to see, right? We finished fourth in 08 -- let's see what changes in 09.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa -- I can put your posts in the form of a Jeopardy question: Name 33 players the Skins won't draft in 2010.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 19, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Possible News This Week?:

....

Mike Williams snaps, breaks his diet, and goes spastic in a Popeye's food line.

....

Posted by: MistaMoe

He better not cut in front of me at Popeye's.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 19, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

What conspiracy theory is the biggest load of crapola?

1. The world ends Dec 21, 2012 because that's when the Mayan calendar ends.

2. NASA faked the moon landings

3. George Bush blew-up the Twin Towers

4. Obama is not a US citizen

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

1.The world ends 12/21/2012. There is no crapola about this.

How can the world continue without a calendar?

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we will get to see. Though efficiency does not mean we finish 4th or better on D, but that we don't finish worse in 3 and outs % wise.

We may have more or less sacks or turnovers, but I think it comes down to time of possession. Blache will use his players in his system to stop the opponent, which is all we can ask of him and the Skins D.

Posted by: Skins930 | July 19, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

What conspiracy theory is the biggest load of crapola?

1. The world ends Dec 21, 2012 because that's when the Mayan calendar ends.

2. NASA faked the moon landings

3. George Bush blew-up the Twin Towers

4. Obama is not a US citizen

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Lol...aren't most, if not all, conspiracy theories crapola? Most conspiracy theorists are extremists and they will only see what they want to believe.(watch closely as I provide an interesting link, that no doubt, some extremist will refute with some explanation, wink wink)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Say NO to extremism!

Most of the time I can resist, but what the heck:

Obviously, 9/11 being an inside job is the most ridiculous. At least the other options don't give a 'get-outta-jail-free' card to criminals, dare I say, terrorists. And I served overseas btw.

I will concede that there is compelling evidence of Govt. corruption ONLY if 9/11 CTs will concede that their assumption is motivated by hatred for republicans(which Bush happens to be)!!!!!

If Bush lied, so did Clinton and the same standards should apply!!!!! But hey, I'm not trying to scare comfortable drones. lol!

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

Pay close attention to paragraph 7!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, that only deals with one...what of the other three?

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, that only deals with one...what of the other three?

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse


You're right.

My point, however, was not to paint Bush in a positive light as all politicians do lie. I never voted for Bush btw.

I was merely trying to show how extremists will present an argument against one party when their same argument applies to other parties as well, hence the anecdote(as Bradley Nowell R.I.P so eloquently put it): You only see what you want to believe.

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 1:49

True, just thought you were addressing all of the CTs...so my query.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Funny how noonefromtampa categorized the 9/11 inside job theory with the world ending and fake moon landing theories...

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Curzon417,

Yea, no I think they are all ridiculous but I just chose to comment on the one that pisses me off versus the others that really hurt no one.

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, I also responded to only one, mostly just for funs as I have read about the Maya calender. Misunderstood your response as addressing all four.

CTs will always be out there...

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Some provide good entertainment fodder. In the form of movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMArJEhVn3A&feature=channel

Posted by: Vicc | July 19, 2009 2:16 AM | Report abuse

What conspiracy theory is the biggest load of crapola? ...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM |

Who needs conspiracy theories when we have this fine song to prophecy the future for us:

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find

In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, or say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to do
Nobody's gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
Your legs got nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you

In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long black tube

In the year 7510
If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day

In the year 8510
God's gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

Now it's been 10,000 years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now man's reign is through
But through the eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it's only yesterday

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find

In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do or say
Is in the pill you took today ....

Posted by: BankerVance | July 19, 2009 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Though the transformation hasn't been quite as dramatic as Jared Fogle of Subway infamy, Redskins offensive lineman Mike Williams has lost nearly 100 pounds. He started at 450. A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Williams currently bends the springs to 354. His goal? 345 pounds by the time training camp opens. A far more impressive feat would be for the fourth overall pick in the 2002 draft, a relatively rare first-round bust at the tackle position, to make the final 53-man roster after two full years out of football.

profootballtalk

You got to give the man credit for dropping that much weight. I am now pulling for him to make the team,

Posted by: jm220 | July 19, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

There's a story some dude uploaded film of blondie ESPN Sideline reporter Erin Andrews undressed onto the internet.

It seems the guy filmed her through a peephole as she paraded about her hotel room butt-azz nekid.

Of course, Moe was interested up until he searched for images of Miss Andrews, saw she was a bland bag of bones, and wondered why the guy didn't knock on the door and offer her something to eat.

Yes: this comment is mysoginistic, but hey, I was educated in America and don't know what that word means.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"n the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find...Posted by: BankerVanc"

So would this be the dumbest pop lyric ever, or would you go with 'Yummy Yummy Yummy, I've Got Love In My Tummy'?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

There's a story some dude uploaded film of blondie ESPN Sideline reporter Erin Andrews undressed onto the internet.

It seems the guy filmed her through a peephole as she paraded about her hotel room butt-azz nekid.

Of course, Moe was interested up until he searched for images of Miss Andrews, saw she was a bland bag of bones, and wondered why the guy didn't knock on the door and offer her something to eat.

Yes: this comment is mysoginistic, but hey, I was educated in America and don't know what that word means.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 9:47 AM

I like the downstairs grooming though, very clean

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"It seems the guy filmed her through a peephole as she paraded about her hotel room butt-azz nekid....Yes: this comment is mysoginistic, but hey, I was educated in America and don't know what that word means.
Posted by: MistaMoe"

Your spelling's not too good either. 'Nekkid' has two K's.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

they are all absurd, but the least likely to be true IMO is #1.

GO WATSON! ANyone but Westwood, really...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I see we are not talking Jarmon anymore, but I heard Vinny talking about this pick. If what he says is accurate, then this fellow is a better than good pick up. It is an excellent pick up.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 19, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I see we are not talking Jarmon anymore, but I heard Vinny talking about this pick. If what he says is accurate, then this fellow is a better than good pick up. It is an excellent pick up.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 19, 2009 11:21 AM

Would you expect him to say it was a bonehead move?

Personally, I think it was a good move. Next year if we address the O-line, I'll be happy

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

"...I like the downstairs grooming though, very clean..."


So fresh...

So clean...

So young...

I'm 45, give me two minutes with it, and I'm in heaven :))))))))))))))


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who haven't seen it, this site (below) projects draft value for a huge number of players. That'll probably interest folks who follow area colleges. Warning: they list them by graduating class, so you find Sam Bradford among the 2011 players, not the 2010, even though he'll undoubtedly come out in '10.

It's all in good fun. Don't put any money on this stuff, of course.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Samson, excellent link!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is getting lots of love around the league for this pick, but nobody is reporting the real story. He tried to use a second round pick on a punter, but the league felt bad for Redskins fans and told him he had to take Jarmon in the 3rd or nothing at all.

Posted by: 4seamed | July 19, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Take Sean Hannity, tatoo a donkey on his forehead and you've got Cork.

POSTED BY: PFunk

Tattoo a Jackass on Hannity's head? Redundant.

Oh spare me the tiresome Right Wing "it's not me, it's you" argument. This is the lamest embodiment of Conservative passive-aggressive twaddle around. Devoid of a sense of humor or imagination, knowing there's no substance to your "Me first, then I'll trickle on the poor" philosophy, you just claim anyone arguing against you is just like you guys. God forbid.

I'll say this, tho, it helps me understand your interpretation of the Roman empire:

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him..."

You've ripped on Samson and you've ripped in me without a word of defense or explanation for your original idiocy that started it.

Oh, as for the Fox v. MSNBC argument. It was Fox, not MSNBC that successfully petitioned the Supreme Court to permit them to intentionally tell outright lies on the air.

Posted by: TheCork | July 19, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't surprise me to see Jeremy Bridges at right guard early next season. I still cringe when I think of the estimable Randy Thomas and his bum neck, taking the field against the Giants or the Eagles. And I also wouldn't be completely surprised to see Heyer pulling some shifts on the left side -- he's no Samuels, but he's young and strong and can pass block. Which suggest Mike Williams will see action at RT.

Losing 100 pounds in a matter of months is great, but that's got to be a stress on the old bod. I hope they don't push Williams too hard in camp. He's not natively a fat guy, just huge, and my thought is that by taking it slow he could wind up starting the second half of the season on the right side. He's that talented.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find...Posted by: BankerVanc"

So would this be the dumbest pop lyric ever, or would you go with 'Yummy Yummy Yummy, I've Got Love In My Tummy'?

Posted by: Samson151

May I submit this classic from the tune A Horse with No Name by the group America

"The heat was hot...."

Posted by: TheCork | July 19, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"While the Redskins graded Jarmon out as a second-round pick and took him in the third to ensure they got him, five other teams put a fourth-round grade on him and didn't go any higher to snag him -- even woeful Detroit, which really liked him (enough for Martin Mayhew to shoot a text to Cerrato after the Skins got Jarmon in the third)."

True. But eighteen (count'em) eighteen clubs showed up for his workout. And it's pretty rare for clubs to give up even a fourth on a supplemental player -- Ozzie Newsome got Jared Gaither, his starting tackle, out of Maryland for a mid fifth rounder.

They have to be thinking Jarmon will use this 'extra' season to turn himself into a legit NFL defensive end. He'll have some terrific role models. Somebody described Renaldo Daniels as a 'beast', and he is exactly that. I'm not at all sure Lo Alexander makes the club now, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that's Phil Daniels. Renaldo is his svelte little brother.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

JM,
No doubt, Williams has his heart in this comeback. I've been backing him all along.
I hope he can achieve great things.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | July 19, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Worst song lyrics Muskrat Love or Seasons in the Sun

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon good move..D will have depth and stay fresh..If offense learn to rub sticks together make fire, Skins ROCK!!..

Posted by: frak | July 19, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You got to give the man credit for dropping that much weight. I am now pulling for him to make the team,

Posted by: jm220 | July 19, 2009 9:03 AM

Maybe he'll soon be posting up here as mw345.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Worst song lyrics Muskrat Love or Seasons in the Sun

Posted by: noonefromtampa

good choices both, but how about, (Jenny-Jenny)867-5309?, or 99 luftballoons?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 19, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So would this be the dumbest pop lyric ever, or would you go with 'Yummy Yummy Yummy, I've Got Love In My Tummy'?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 10:07 AM |

"Dumb" is descriptive of what your posts about pro football have been on this blog and now we find it is also a good descriptor of your assessment of popular music. Riddle me this - how did a song of dystopia about technology, normally the purview of a nerd sci fi cult and not known to be a standard pop music theme, become such a huge hit in 1969? If the song really is so terrible then why is it that:

1. The song was referenced in The Simpsons, when Lisa is seen reading a psychic magazine with a cover headline "The year 2525: Were Zager & Evans right?"
2. On the 25th anniversary episode of the TV show Saturday Night Live, actor/comedian Bill Murray sang a version of this song, replacing its original lyrics to correspond with the fate of the show "in the year 2525".
3. The song is referenced in the White Stripes song, "You're Pretty Good Looking (For A Girl)" - "this feeling is still going to linger on / until the year 2525 now"

I would like to thank Banker Vance for publishing the lyics on this blog - a 40 year anniversary that fits right in with the 40 year remembrance of Neil Armstong's famous moon walk. Where is technology taking us?


Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 19, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

See, an earlier generation would have voted for "Whiter Shade of Pale" and been done with it. Things were simpler then.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

littlegreenbag: "Dumb" is descriptive of what your posts about pro football have been on this blog and now we find it is also a good descriptor of your assessment of popular music. Riddle me this - how did a song of dystopia about technology, normally the purview of a nerd sci fi cult and not known to be a standard pop music theme, become such a huge hit in 1969? If the song really is so terrible then why is it that:
1. The song was referenced in The Simpsons, when Lisa is seen reading a psychic magazine with a cover headline "The year 2525: Were Zager & Evans right?"
2. On the 25th anniversary episode of the TV show Saturday Night Live, actor/comedian Bill Murray sang a version of this song, replacing its original lyrics to correspond with the fate of the show "in the year 2525".
3. The song is referenced in the White Stripes song, "You're Pretty Good Looking (For A Girl)" - "this feeling is still going to linger on / until the year 2525 now"

Next you're going to assert that if you play the Beatles' 'A Day In The Life' backwards, you can hear Paul McCartney reciting: 'in the year 2525..."

When bits of the song are used on The Simpsons or by Bill Murray on SNL, do you think that's because they appreciate 'a song of dystopia about technology', or because it sounds really silly?

By the way, are you going to use up all the possible screen names that contain the letter sequence 'bag'? Because if you are, I can just filter them, and save some time.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Or 'Vance', I could filter that too. What an awful movie. Maybe you saw it as a dystopian metaphor.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh spare me the tiresome Right Wing "it's not me, it's you" argument. This is the lamest embodiment of Conservative passive-aggressive twaddle around. Devoid of a sense of humor or imagination, knowing there's no substance to your "Me first, then I'll trickle on the poor" philosophy, you just claim anyone arguing against you is just like you guys. God forbid.

I'll say this, tho, it helps me understand your interpretation of the Roman empire:

"He may not have been the emperor, but he was the emperor...that's why they stabbed him..."

You've ripped on Samson and you've ripped in me without a word of defense or explanation for your original idiocy that started it.

Oh, as for the Fox v. MSNBC argument. It was Fox, not MSNBC that successfully petitioned the Supreme Court to permit them to intentionally tell outright lies on the air.

Posted by: TheCork | July 19, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse


Dude, you are a donkey.

You've no idea what my politics are. I've worked for a Democrat, I've voted for Ralph Nader. I don't actually watch Fox News unless I'm bored and want to chuckle a bit at Glenn Beck.

But you are the poster child for all the psuedo-intellectual liberal hacks who parade around like informed and educated people, but really, anyone who doesn't grab ankles for your uber-liberal narrow-minded perspectives gets jammed into some neo-con right-wing charicature that you've invented to make it easier to villanize folks who don't think like you.

Here's a project: Sit at home and make a thought-police badge out of construction paper, prance around your house and flash it at all the imaginary folks who tease JLA and don't like MSNBC. Then stop at the mirror and lecture yourself about how criticizing Vinny is the linchpin to protecting free speech in the universe.

When I'm interested in ripping you some more, I'll let you know...

Posted by: p1funk | July 19, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 5:11 PM |

What a weak, pathetic response of someone who is in the grips of a seriously delusional mental state. You can't even distinguish between reality and the cave.

"By the way, are you going to use up all the possible screen names that contain the letter sequence 'bag'? Because if you are, I can just filter them, and save some time."

My userid is the only one that I have seen on this blog that contains the letter sequence "bag". What other ones did you have in mind when you referred to "all"?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 19, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"Wouldn't surprise me to see Jeremy Bridges at right guard early next season..."

Interesting idea.

But what about Rhino?

What about E Williams and S Burley, the two terp young'ns?

We chat about drafting lineman in '10. And if Heyer evolves into a player, Dock satisfies, and Bridges is more than serviciable, that leaves center and left tackle as the two spots where the need is immediate.

Will drafting a player to back up or replace C Samuels or C Rabach in the 2010 draft be a priority?

Yeah, we think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

littlegreenbag: "My userid is the only one that I have seen on this blog that contains the letter sequence "bag". What other ones did you have in mind when you referred to "all"?"

You're saying you're not popping up on this blog from time to time using some analog of 'Bagger Vance'? And that you're not both 'Banker Vance' and 'Little Green Bag'?

'Cuz I'd have trouble believing that.

littlegreenbag: "You can't even distinguish between reality and the cave."

According to Plato, hardly anybody could. You're not a 'Matrix' fan, are you? It would explain a lot.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "But what about Rhino?...Will drafting a player to back up or replace C Samuels or C Rabach in the 2010 draft be a priority?"

Good question. You don't think Reinhardt is possibly going to play center at some point?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question: if the ancient Mayans are correct and the Apocalypse occurs in 2012, does that mean Vinny was smart to get rid of all those draft choices?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, as for the Fox v. MSNBC argument. It was Fox, not MSNBC that successfully petitioned the Supreme Court to permit them to intentionally tell outright lies on the air.

You mean MSNBC is doing it without permission???

Posted by: daggar | July 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

samson151

You're a smart dude.

I can't believe some cat would try to bust your chops in a blog, of all places.

But I digress.

I'm responding to:

"...You don't think Reinhardt is possibly going to play center at some point?"

If I'm him, yeah.

But I remember reading back after the draft that many people had E Williams listed in the top ten for center prospects, and I'm inclined to believe he'll replace Rabach, nothing against W. Montegomery.

I think M Mitchell and E Williams will make the team, and won't get listed on the practice squad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

FOX News v. MSNBC v. CNN v. ABC News v. CBS News v. NBC News= massive amount of bias presented to the masses of people who fear reading.

Smart people stop depending on nightly news years ago.

Hate the perceived bias of a particular news outlet?: here's a suggestion, surf the web for multiple quick reads of the same stories, and figure it all out on your own.

You'll discover that what's in a morning paper or online edition usually leads the nightly tv news anyway.

Online newspapers generally provide fairly clear information, and an intelligent person willing to read the front page of two of them a day at his/her leisure will know more than a person who depends on the Big Brother mechanism of tv news.

So argue about the news outlets all you want.

Just remember, though, they don't make you watch them--you choose to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Just remember, though, they don't make you watch them--you choose to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 7:19 PM

Unlike this blog, which calls to me all day and night: read me...updated info...breaking news...jibba jabba...refresh...

Just like any other addiction, never quite satisfied. Where's the remote...

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 19, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Will drafting a player to back up or replace C Samuels or C Rabach in the 2010 draft be a priority?

Yeah, we think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Backing up Chris Samuels for sure.

Edwin Williams is supposed to be a legit prospect at center.

The guys we have backing up Samuels are named Devin Clark and Scott Burley (I had to look it up). One was a practice-squadder last year and the other is an unheralded undrafted FA.

But I'm sure in the draft we'll go after a couple DEs, some WRs, some special-teams caliber LBs, a TE and a QB...then Snerrato will ask around the lockeroom to see if anyone has a buddy crashing on their couch who used to play LT...

Posted by: p1funk | July 19, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"But I remember reading back after the draft that many people had E Williams listed in the top ten for center prospects, and I'm inclined to believe he'll replace Rabach, nothing against W. Montegomery.Posted by: MistaMoe"

I'm a big Ed Williams fan. I can't really understand why he was a FA in the first place. Maybe it's because teams draft guards thinking they'll make them into centers.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The mayans are never wrong. This is about Astronomy and nothing else.....

I know all of you smart people have seen this........

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Watching Penn & Teller:Bulls...! and 2012 is this week's topic

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"Watching Penn & Teller:Bulls...! and 2012 is this week's topicPosted by: noonefromtampa"

I recall seeing their show in SF years ago when they were the Asparagus Valley Players and still doing the bleeding shadow rose trick... they closed their act with a heroic rendition of "Last Kiss", the J. Frank Wilson and the Cavaliers version. Those were truly silly lyrics but the song nonetheless became incredibly popular, suggesting a subliminal connection to an apocalyptic message that would be available only to the enlightened few listeners.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Also saw Penn and Teller in SF with the bleeding rose trick. Plus a stuffed gorilla named MoFo.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 20, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Who needs conspiracy theories when we have this fine song to prophecy the future for us:

In the year 2525
...

Posted by: BankerVance | July 19, 2009 3:26 AM |

And indeed it has done that.

In the year 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
Your legs got nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you

Prefigures Wally World. Er, the humans in WALL-E's world.

In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long black tube

Prefigures the Octomom, surrogate moms, sperm banks, etc.

Brilliant song. Long after Dylan and the Beatles are quaint memories people will be marvelling at how this song peered into the future and nailed it.

Posted by: Stimsom | July 20, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

... You're saying you're not popping up on this blog from time to time using some analog of 'Bagger Vance'? And that you're not both 'Banker Vance' and 'Little Green Bag'?

'Cuz I'd have trouble believing that.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2009 6:20 PM |

I'd say you are OD'ing on neuroenhancers to think there is a connection where there isn't any. Or some other kind of chemical that is a brain scrambler. But if it will make you happy I will update noonefromtampa's list of crapola conspiracy theories to include yours:

========================================

What conspiracy theory is the biggest load of crapola?

1. The world ends Dec 21, 2012 because that's when the Mayan calendar ends.

2. NASA faked the moon landings

3. George Bush blew-up the Twin Towers

4. Obama is not a US citizen

5. LittleGreenBag and BankerVance are the same RI poster (theory courtesy of Samson151)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM |

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 20, 2009 5:20 AM | Report abuse

samson151

You're a smart dude.

I can't believe some cat would try to bust your chops in a blog, of all places.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2009 6:52 PM |

How tweet. One moeron giving props to another moron.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 20, 2009 5:39 AM | Report abuse

I would like to thank Banker Vance for publishing the lyics on this blog...

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 19, 2009 3:44 PM

How tweet. One moeron giving props to another moron.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 20, 2009 5:39 AM

Here we gots one mo-ron stroking himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 20, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

stimsom "In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too From the bottom of a long black tube

Prefigures the Octomom, surrogate moms, sperm banks, etc."

Timing's a few thousand years off, though. Plus the first two sperm banks opened four years before the song hit. No prefiguring required.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

"How tweet. One moeron giving props to another moron.Posted by: LittleGreenBag"

You like to play with screen names, don'tcha?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

SRSLY?

We've devolved to blog-baiting?! Wow. I woulda thot the Jarmon Whole Wheat pick would have kept the SJKclowns out for at least another week.

Oh well. Happy Monday. Go Skins!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

1. The world ends Dec 21, 2012 because that's when the Mayan calendar ends.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM |

Doesn't the Julian calendar end on Dec. 31st every year?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

1. The world ends Dec 21, 2012 because that's when the Mayan calendar ends.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2009 12:30 AM |

Doesn't the Julian calendar end on Dec. 31st every year?


Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2009 8:00 AM


HEYYO!

But really, the whole "let's predict the end of the world" thing has been done and NO ONE is ever right. The guy who started the Seventh-Day Adventist church thought the world would end on October 22, 1844. After 165 years, you'd think we'd learn a lesson from that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow, glad I don’t hang out up here on the weekends……it’s like some of you guys are around each other too much up here and have gotten on the same cycle. Couple people needed to take some midol and have a glass of white zinfandel last night. Sheesh.

Less than 2 weeks til training camp. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 20, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

What if the world DID actually end in 1844 and this is all just an elaborate DREAAAAMMMM......woooooooooooooo!

Rod Serling, please top off my Gin.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

dhaze1

"...it’s like some of you guys are around each other too much up here and have gotten on the same cycle."

You got that right.

We got some cat with multiple screen who only wants to pick fights and publish song lyrics, as he has very little else to do with his time since he lost his right hand and ruined his sex life.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I hope we dont cut Buzbee or Jackson or Chris Wilson, It should be Renaldo Wynn who gets the axe. Phillip Daniels will come back healthy and wants to prove he can still play with the young guys, but still has maybe one good year left. So keep the young guys and tell Wynn to clean out his locker.
HTTR!! RIP#21 4 EVER

Posted by: cpt55back | July 20, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

40 years ago we were putting men on the moon. And no one has been back there since 1972. And for a few years, human kind was realizing their potential, since then we have fallen. We need to get our species act together. I don't want to die on this lame F-ing planet!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

9:30am on Monday morning and only ONE post about Erin Andrews?!?! There's already an 11 page thread on Extremeskins!

I loved the AP article this morning saying the videos had all been "pulled from the internet" as if that was even possible. I found multiple sites last night that still had them available for free download. Good luck getting that cat back in the bag. (NO PUN INTENDED)

Posted by: McMetal | July 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Here's a t-shirt slogan that won't sell:

FREE MIKE VICK!!!

He's already free.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

We JARMON

And I hope you like JARMON too

We JARMON

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

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