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Posted at 1:52 PM ET, 02/23/2011

At NFL combine, Redskins will keep tabs on quarterbacks, defense

By Mike Jones

Redskins coaches and officials are bound for the NFL scouting combine, which will take place in Indianapolis this week, starting Thursday.

Obviously, the biggest name at the combine is Auburn's Cam Newton, and much will be made of how he does, along with fellow top 10 quarterback prospect Blaine Gabbert. And it's no secret the Redskins don't have their franchise quarterback in place. But in Wednesday's column, Jason Reid stresses the need for Mike Shanahan & Co. to use that No. 10 pick to meet a pressing defensive need.

The Redskins no doubt will do their homework on Newton and Gabbert, but they also likely will be taking a hard look at the top pass rushers and nose tackles at the combine. Here are some names that Jim Haslett and his defensive staff could possibly consider as they work to upgrade a 3-4 defense that ranked 31st in the league in yards allowed per game.

1. OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M -- Dominant off the edge, extremely athletic and explosive, Miller is the top outside linebacker in the draft. Will he still be on the board by the time the Redskins pick?

2. OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA -- Another great athlete, has great quickness and fires off the ball. Also good against the run..

3. DT Corey Liuget, Illinois -- A possible nose tackle option, the 6-3, 300-pounder is described as having great strength and quickness and the ability to dominate in the trenches. Can he convert to the 3-4?

4. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina -- End isn't as pressing a need as nose tackle along the line, but Quinn is considered the second-best defensive end in the draft after Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers, who will be gone by the 10th pick.

Keep an eye out for how those players, in addition to the obvious - Newton and Gabbert -- fare at the combine. And if the Redskins pass on Newton and Gabbert, it could be because they have their eye on a passer who could be available in the second round.

I'll keep you updated on how it's going for Florida State's Christian Ponder, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, Washington's Jake Locker and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick. Ponder seems to be climbing the boards, and Kaepernick is talented, but a project. He might be more of a third- or fourth-round pick, and of course, the Redskins have neither.

But stay tuned. Next time you hear from me, it'll be from Indianapolis.

By Mike Jones  | February 23, 2011; 1:52 PM ET
 
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Bon voyage Mike...have a safe trip...but please hurry!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

But in today's column, Jason Reid stresses the need for Mike Shanahan & Co. to use that No. 10 pick to meet a pressing defensive need.

By Mike Jones | February 23, 2011; 1:52 PM ET

That's because Jason Reid is as simple-minded as hessone or Vinny Cerrato. "Gotta spend all my high picks on my big problem. Fixed the receiver problem two years ago with three receivers. This year I'll fix my D-Line problem." This makes scouting a lot easier when you know what position you're going to pick.

Draft day presents opportunities that you can't predict. You can't make your pick on February 23. You've got to wait and take the best player available when it's your turn -- maybe DL, DB, LB, but maybe QB.

After all, if the right QB is there at #10, the only way to get a franchise QB is in the draft. They don't show up as free agents very often. But there are plenty of DL, DB, and LB free agents.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's the combine..And I've got the NFL Channel..HOT_DIGGETY-MUTHERF***IN' DAMN!! Thank you, Jesus..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

They don't show up as free agents very often. But there are plenty of DL, DB, and LB free agents.

Posted by: beep-beep


I'm sure we could trade for Carson Palmer too, if Mike S. is so inclined..But he might be headed to Seattle for a reunion with his old coach..Seattle could be a trade pasta for Fred also..If the Mike is so inclined..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, it's a waste of time following the combine.

If you want real insights into team interests for the next draft -- get out to the local airport and check out the flight plans for Redskins One.

Where the Midget Megalomanic goes, his wallet is sure to follow.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 23, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Shanahas has a history of bonehead draft pix and I expect no different here! A QB is guaranteed in rd 1!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 23, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious how it will go. The f'en cowboys.. who pick right before us.. will trade that pick to someone who needs a QB.. they will gladly oblige!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious how it will go. The f'en cowboys.. who pick right before us.. will trade that pick to someone who needs a QB.. they will gladly oblige!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good. Then we won't waste our #10 pick on Newton or Gabbert.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Redskins trade back and take Phil Taylor in the first round.

Then in round 2 we take Christian Ponder and Cameron Heyward.

Then a bus load of hot chicks on their way to spring break stop by my house to be "broken in"...and something else about my dog crapping money.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Keep an eye out for how those players, in addition to the obvious - Newton and Gabbert -- fare at the combine. And if the Redskins pass on Newton and Gabbert, it could be because they have their eye on a passer who could be available in the second round."

Pass on a passer..Let's go all Carmelo on Luck next year..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

And that's why my wood is good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM

I step away for a few hours and come back to this! Btwn this and all the chit chat about the 'spread' offense, you all need to take a cold shower.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

4.) DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina -- End isn't as pressing a need as nose tackle along the line, but Quinn is considered the second-best defensive end in the draft after Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers, who will be gone by the 10th pick.

>>>>

This morning, Mayock put down a marker that said Quinn as a possible #1 pick in the draft.

[Somebody on the previous post said the Quinn should up overweight and out of shape at the Senior Bowl ... but that doesn't make any sense .. Quinn was suspended this year ... he wasn't at the Senior Bowl.]

I also was thinking that, if the Skins found a partner to swap first round picks and trade down, Akeem Ayers might be the go-to guy (assuming Von Miller is gone by that point).

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iubiquity | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good. Then we won't waste our #10 pick on Newton or Gabbert.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 2:32 PM

And that's how you build a contender?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

FRAK

Let's go all Carmelo on Luck next year..

Thing is, to be in the spot to select Luck, you'd have to go 2-14 or something like that.

And only in the NBA do teams trash their seasons in order to improve draft spots.

Plus, I think with the right changes, we might be a solid 9-7 squad (we need to average 10 more points a game and get more 3 and outs on D).

We can find a good quarterback in round 2, IMO.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious how it will go. The f'en cowboys.. who pick right before us.. will trade that pick to someone who needs a QB.. they will gladly oblige!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 23, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good. Then we won't waste our #10 pick on Newton or Gabbert.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 2:32 PM

Assuming that we're not the tradee.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - take him.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

[Somebody on the previous post said the Quinn should up overweight and out of shape at the Senior Bowl ... but that doesn't make any sense .. Quinn was suspended this year ... he wasn't at the Senior Bowl.]

That's what the NFL Channel announcer said, and he was there..With a big grin on his face..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, to be in the spot to select Luck, you'd have to go 2-14 or something like that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 2:49 PM

How about we just go 0-6 or 1-7 in a lockout shortened season...I could deal with that...I wouldn't be able to handle a 2-14 season.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

3.) DT Corey Liuget, Illinois -- A possible nose tackle option, the 6-3, 300-pounder is described as having great strength and quickness and the ability to dominate in the trenches. Can he convert to the 3-4?

>>>>

Question: Are there any collegiate 3-4 defenses to speak of? Also, how did Jay Ratliff convert to a NT in a 3-4?

[The second question is rhetorical ... I think a DT with speed and power -- AND WHO KNOWS HOW TO MAINTAIN A LOW CENTER OF GRAVITY -- can be effective at NT or DE in a 3-4 just as well as he could as a DT in a 4-3.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

MistMoe-

If Luck is the accurate, strong-armed and mobile quarterback that fits Shanahan's offense the best, why not go hard for him?? Belichik knows that if you have a top QB behind a top O-line, you can find a million players out there that'll be made to shine with that in place..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much all scouts and draft gurus have said none of qbs in this year's draft carry a first round grade. If a franchise QB isn't there, and I don't think there is, you take the best player available, be it DL, OL, LB, WR, whatever. We have so many gapping holes that it makes no sense to reach for player just because he's a QB. I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but we're not doing anything good next year with our current roster anyway, so keep building through the best players period. Eventually those picks will be the cornerstone of our team.

Look at Orakpo-while linebacker was a need then, OL was a much bigger one and Oher was still on the board. One of the few times Vinny actually did something right and went for the better overall talent.

Posted by: DCinSD | February 23, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Skins' Brethren, Just wanted to ask you guys to keep an eye out for my cousin Keith Williams 6' 5" 312 lbs. out of Nebraska. He was an All Big 12 Honorable Mention for 2010. He'll be at the combine, he plays OG and a damn good one. He's a humble kid but when on the field has a that nasty edge to him like Mark May had.

I would love for him to play with the Skins, especially since we run the zone blocking schemes. Keith is very agile and athletic for his size (he was a power forward in high school). He's remained under the radar, and in my opinion has not come close to reaching his ceiling yet. He's projected to go in the later rounds or be a FA. I'm hoping that one of the Skins' scouts may be impressed with his lifting and drills and in a passing hallway conversation with him, get an idea of what kind of guy Keith is and invite him to camp, if he doesn't get drafted. His number is OL52, keep an eye out for him. On a side note, if football does not work out, he's already earned his degree in childhood psychology. Like I said, he's a gentle giant off the field, but a beast on it.

Posted by: clark202 | February 23, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Quinn is an OLB in the 3-4. He might go #5 to Zona, he's my choice if there at #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, to be in the spot to select Luck, you'd have to go 2-14 or something like that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 2:49 PM

Or we could preemptively trade for Carolina's #1 pick in 2012.

How upset would everyone be if we traded #10 this year for Carolina's #1 in 2012 plus we got their 3rd and 4th rounder this year.

Technically that would be a feasible trade using the draft value chart.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Question: Are there any collegiate 3-4 defenses to speak of?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:57 PM

University of California
Georgia
Alabama

just off the top of my head.

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Frak you're confusing Robert Quinn with the DT from North Carolina

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Question: Are there any collegiate 3-4 defenses to speak of?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:57 PM

From Rivals but it was written before the season started.

College 3-4 defenses

Air Force
Alabama
Army
BYU
California
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Houston
Navy
Notre Dame
SMU
Stanford
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The DT from North Carolina was suspended also?? Damn, reality must be rife wid corruption..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Question: Are there any collegiate 3-4 defenses to speak of?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:57 PM

University of California
Georgia
Alabama

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 3:03 PM

With the exception of Marcel Dareus, 3-4 doesn't seem like a defensive system that show cases a collegiate lineman's talent.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Zerox which I have already stated here several times.

Then POUNCEY if he's still there in the second otherwise JONATHAN BALDWIN, PITTSBURGH to give Mr. KELLY something to think about.

ELLIS NT in the fifth, follwed by TYROD TAYLOR from Va. Tech, an ILB sixth and 6' 5" 4.47-40 215 pound Mr. BROWN from SOUTHERN MISS 7th, and JUSTIN ROGERS from RICHMOND 7th.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow Hillary Clinton says "Uh" a lot when she speaks. It's like every third word.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Wizards, Caps are playing right now and are stinking. Why isn't he writing about that?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM |

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so beep, why do you think the caps stink ?

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Woodley tagged. 10.091 mil.

Another RI target off the market.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I bet Pittsburghs got some backup OLBs that the Skins would prize, Diesel..That defense is thick..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

so beep, why do you think the caps stink ?

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 3:27 PM

Hess I used to be an avid caps fan growing up...would go to roughly 25 games a year at the cap centre (would volunteer there for free tix)...try to catch as much as I can now but probably only a game every two weeks...do you think they are better or worse this year than last...or just different?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

1 Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
2 Jerrell Powe NT Miss
5 Casey Matthews - LB Oregon
5 Evan Royster - RB Penn State
6 Chris Culliver FS South Carolina
7 Ollie Ogbu DT Penn State
7 Mark Dell WR Michigan State

Half of this list is going to move up or down several rounds by the time the draft starts.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

frak- Shaun Crable is on the Steelers practice squad. He played at Michigan. I wanted to pull him off their PS last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What about the )-line????

Posted by: dbeveridge | February 23, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

And if the Redskins pass on Newton and Gabbert, it could be because they have their eye on a passer who could be available in the second round.

I'll keep you updated on how it's going for Florida State's Christian Ponder, Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, Washington's Jake Locker and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick. Ponder seems to be climbing the boards, and Kaepernick is talented, but a project. He might be more of a third- or fourth-round pick, and of course, the Redskins have neither.

>>>>

If they pass on Newton or Gabbert, it is because no one called their bluff and traded up to get them. Seems like Shanahan, the king of the wheel and the deal, should be able to find SOME way to trade down in the first and/or second rounds in order to squeeze out an additional pick in the third round.

Have they announced compensatory picks yet?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Look at Orakpo-while linebacker was a need then, OL was a much bigger one and Oher was still on the board. One of the few times Vinny actually did something right and went for the better overall talent.

Posted by: DCinSD

Orakpo was a pass rushing DE in college and we were near the bottom of the league in sacks/pressures.

Orakpo or Oher would have addressed major needs for this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Crap, hit the submit by mistake. I was seconding diesel's OLB QUINN in the first post.

QUINN OLB or if gone, CAMERON JORDAN DE.

POUNCEY G or if gone, JONATHAN BALDWIN WR second.

KENDRICK ELLIS NT fifth

TYROD TAYLOR QB fifth

DARIUS MORRIS OT/G sixth

DeANDRE BROWN WR seventh, or if BALDWIN is in the house then STEVEN FRIDAY OLB.

JUSTIN ROGERS CB seventh

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow Hillary Clinton says "Uh" a lot when she speaks. It's like every third word.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 3:25 PM

I think that only happens after her diplomacy duties require her to pull an all-nighter ... or when she's stoned.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Quinn would be my choice if he is there. He was projected top two overall ahead of Bowers before he had to sit out this year. If he's there at ten, grab him, but I guarantee he moves back up into the top picks. People are slippin on him now but that will change, guaranteed

Posted by: Skins281 | February 23, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Two Words:
BEST AVAILABLE

Everyone wants to trade down. Assuming we can't/don't, we aren't that good. Very few positions have bonafide starters entrenched.

Posted by: furious50 | February 23, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Have they announced compensatory picks yet

Yes, if we don't resign CRogers, we'll end up with a 24th round pick in return...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The DT from North Carolina was suspended also?? Damn, reality must be rife wid corruption..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Marvin Austin the DT was also suspended, as well as some other players. Austin and Quinn were the big fish. I will be very interested to see what kind of shape and conditioning both these players are in. Both could be an impact immediately.

And yeh Butch Davis went all old school like when he was at the U on that team, fairly corrupt to say the least.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 23, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

QUINN OLB or if gone, CAMERON JORDAN DE.

No way Cameron Jordan in the first. 5.5 sacks is just not terroristic enough..

Speaking of terroristic, "Lost Highway" on Ovation..Lynch shares my love of Rammstein, Burroughs science fiction, and psychosis..He's an acquaintance of my family, maybe I could get a role as the resident psychopath!! Bwahaha!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

No way Cameron Jordan in the first. 5.5 sacks is just not terroristic enough..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You know he was a 3-4 end right? That's actually pretty impressive.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Have they announced compensatory picks yet?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 3:52 PM

We won't hear until they're awarded at the annual meeting in late march.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Everybody seem so ready to move on from McNabb... if he's not here next year, this will be my enduring image of him in a Skins uni.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Everybody seem so ready to move on from McNabb... if he's not here next year, this will be my enduring image of him in a Skins uni.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think McNabb starts for us opening day.

I've waffled on this, but the mere fact that Jason Reid says we are letting him go tells me he'll be on the roster.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

You know he was a 3-4 end right? That's actually pretty impressive.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Even then, 5.5 for a first round NT is good, but that's just a tad short for a DE..IMO..(now they'll draft him and he'll be an All-Pro)...This 3-4 thing is alien to me though, it does take getting used to..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

http://www.blainegabbert.org/images/blaine-gabbert-pictures%20(18).jpg

Two things:

1. Blaine Gabbert and Princess Diana's second son. Separated at birth (and where the former was fed much, much more)?

2. How does a college kid become a dot org?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Butch Davis ran a pretty clean program at the U in the mid to late 90s and brought them back to a highly ranked status. He basically paved the way for all the success Larry Coker enjoyed. I am sure he is guilty of looking the other way but you can't pin all the blame on him for players taking money, gifts, etc from agents at UNC.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 23, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

1. Blaine Gabbert and Princess Diana's second son.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 4:21 PM

Looks like he's trying to hold in a fart.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

" ... With Alualu moving on, opponents keyed on Jordan in 2010, but he continued to produce. His strength and ability to locate the ball made him one of the more feared defensive linemen in the Pac-10, despite the fact that as a defensive end in the 3-4 alignment, his primary job was to occupy blockers and free up linebackers, not make plays on his own. ..."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272992

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep you updated on how it's going for Florida State's Christian Ponder,....


Ponder will show himself to be an excellent, all around athlete.

What I want to see is:

--how accurate and strong his 'deep out' or 'deep comeback' passes are

--can he place the deep ball to spots or is he a 'pop fly' thrower who lack of arm strenght on the deep ball makes his long passes easy to intercept by the league's elite FS?

--where is his ball placement on 'out cuts' and 'hitches': is he a Troy Aikman type blessed with uncanny accuracy

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 23, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I think McNabb starts for us opening day.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 4:16 PM

That would raise interesting questions about who's really making the decisions on the football field:

From Fox sports on Christmas eve:

After being benched last week in favor of Rex Grossman, McNabb said Tuesday on his weekly radio show that he would be interested in returning to the Redskins next season.

But Shanahan told reporters Wednesday that the 34-year-old would not be back next year as the starting quarterback, and that he understands McNabb probably is not interested in being a No. 2.

“I’m not sure he would, which I would understand,” Shanahan said. “But I think that’s why we’re talking about hypothetical situations. I don’t think that would happen. But if he was interested in that, obviously, that’d be a possibility.”


From Steinberg's Sports Bog:


[Jim] Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

[Dan] Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:32 PM


Fact: after the 3rd game this past season, I begin my campaign against Donovan McNabb.

Folks howled that I was an idiot.

Flip Flop: If we are to draft a young quarterback, I'd prefer to have DM5 in-house as a tutor, mentor...

...and starter.

(His help to Vick and Kolb seemed to stick.)

Let the Flip-Flopping begin!

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 23, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

dcsween-

This comment disturbs me:

"Doesn't possess the top-end speed to be more than a marginal pass rusher in the NFL."

We don't want that..We want "Hell On Wheels" and the best havoc-wreaking pass rusher available at #10..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I have to call BS on that Fox Sports report. We had this debate up here a while back, and there are quotes by Shanahan after that report where Shanahan said McNabb could absolutely be the starter in 2011...anything is possible...won't know until our off season evaluations are complete etc. etc.

So I'm in the camp that believes if McNabb comes back it by no means indicates that Snyder is calling the shots. I think a fan would have to be pretty cynical to think that Snyder is blowing up Shanahan and Allen's authority after just one year.

I believe that if #5 comes back it means that the coaches believe he will improve after a year of experience in the offense, and that he's our best available option. I don't see Snyder making that call out of some financial logic or man crush for McNabb.

What are your thoughts A4?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

How on earth could any competent analyst not be thinking Offensive Lineman. If you need points, and the ability to keep the defense fresh, then you must draft 0-Line, period.

Okay, I will grudginly let you pick a NT, if (and only if) you can get AH on the field playing at his best as a 3-4 DT. Since that won't be happening, might as well address our ability to run the ball and provide QB protection, as they are (and have been) the biggest issue to address for quite some time.

Now stop with this QB/Def Player non-sense you wannabe NFL analysts...

Posted by: murrayh | February 23, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: murrayh

Now stop with this QB/Def Player non-sense you wannabe NFL analysts...


No disrespect, but this isn't an o-line draft.

'10 and '09 were.

This draft features d-line, front-7 defenders and quarterback projects--some hinting at possible stardom or total bust.

And if you check around, this is not nonsense.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 23, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline:

BEYONCE RELENTS . . . AGREES TO UNDERGO FERTILITY TREATMENTS WITH JAY Z!!!

....and if Jigga-Man can't do it, let Moe hit that thang, Beyonce.

I might not be long.

But I'm wide...

...and as fertile as a turtle.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 23, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will not be back! The thought is ridiculous, we all know he will be traded for draft picks.

Cincinatti will trade us Palmer for McNabb....book it.

I don't know why I just said that.

But I think there is a good chance that Alex Smith or Carson Palmer will start here next year.

I'm hopping on the draft a DL/LB bandwagon.

Optimism bus is starting up, get your tickets.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"How on earth could any competent analyst not be thinking Offensive Lineman. If you need points, and the ability to keep the defense fresh, then you must draft 0-Line, period."

Posted by: murrayh | February 23, 2011 4:40 PM

Murray, I think we all agree that the 'Skins must continue to address the o-line, but the draft isn't the only way to do it.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 23, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, WaitingGuilty, I think it's quite possible Shanahan made both statements.

He initially said McNabb will not return as the starter next year, and he later said he would take some time to evaluate the situation.

What it really boils down to is which statement do you think held the most conviction when he said it?

I believe given his druthers, he'd drop McNabb in a hot second. His initial statement was quite difinitive and unequivocal. But to avoid answering more questions about it (who's the starter?), he decided to soften his tone since it's not like anyone really "owned" the starting gig.

Even if McNabb found a way to start the season, it's hard to imagine him remaining the starter for long. Shanahan has expressed zero confidence in him since the Detroit game.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Newton has mad skills and all but I don't think he gets it. Here are a couple of quotes he made to National media I found on an NFL.com blog post.

Newton told King that “I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.”

Newton then told Wetzel (via Twitter), “not to sound arrogant but what I did in one year others couldn’t do in their entire collegiate careers.”

Funny, any time somebody starts a sentence with “not to sound arrogant …,” it can’t sound anything but. Kind of like saying, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but …”

And don’t take this the wrong way, Cam, your recent interviews make you sound like your decision-making ability hasn’t risen past the whole, “Hey, maybe nobody will notice if I take this laptop” level you displayed at Florida. And if you think that NFL scouts and executives don’t look at this stuff, guess again.

Just stay far, far away from this clown.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | February 23, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller with the #10 pick

Posted by: hall_j | February 23, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Skins' Brethren, Just wanted to ask you guys to keep an eye out for my cousin Keith Williams 6' 5" 312 lbs. out of Nebraska. He was an All Big 12 Honorable Mention for 2010. He'll be at the combine, he plays OG and a damn good one. He's a humble kid but when on the field has a that nasty edge to him like Mark May had.
Posted by: clark202

And if he doesn't pan out for the Skins, please have him contact the Wizards. 6' 5" 312 lbs with a nasty streak is exactly what they need down low.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 23, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"TYROD TAYLOR QB fifth"

That's not bad..Tyrod is at least comparable to Vick, but with a better character coming out of college..He'd make a good backup to Luck, or maybe more!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Optimism bus is starting up, get your tickets.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 4:51 PM

Hey, I don't think I can float a season ticket, but I showed I can handle one of those 2 week flash pass thingy's, eh?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I have to call BS on that Fox Sports report. We had this debate up here a while back, and there are quotes by Shanahan after that report where Shanahan said McNabb could absolutely be the starter in 2011...anything is possible...won't know until our off season evaluations are complete etc. etc."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 4:39 PM

I believe that the chances of McNabb coming back next year are, oh . . ., zero. Of course Shanahan is going to give us the song and dance about DM5 possibly being the starter next season. He won't get anything more than a used jock and a dirty pair of socks for him in trade if teams think that we're going to dump him. The Shannies made it abundantly clear last season by their treatment of McNabb that they don't want him as their starting QB, and since they're not going to pay the huge roster bonus called for in his new contract ($10-12 million, I think) to a backup, he's history.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 23, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Hess I used to be an avid caps fan growing up...would go to roughly 25 games a year at the cap centre (would volunteer there for free tix)...try to catch as much as I can now but probably only a game every two weeks...do you think they are better or worse this year than last...or just different?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 3:35 PM |

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due to the change from run and gun to a more defensive approach, i think they're different. i guess because of the change they've become a little boring to watch, with not as much goal scoring. they're a good team though

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

" 6' 5" 312 lbs with a nasty streak is exactly what they need down low.


Posted by: NYPDee |"

Wes Unseld is more like 6'8"..or was (gravitational shrinkage)..NOBODY could push dudes outta the way like that dude from Louisville..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

A4...

I'm having Deja Vu all over again... I debated this with someone (You?) months ago.

Shanahan never said McNabb would not be the starter in 2011. At the point in time he made that "statement" he was saying he was not ready to guarantee the starting job to ANYONE until he saw Grossman and maybe Beck play, and even then it would likely be after evaluations were done in the off season, and then maybe it would be decided in camp this summer.

Shortly after all of this was dissected in the media, he came out and said something to the effect of "It could be Donovan, absolutely" who would start in 2011.

I don't think any of the people who are guaranteeing McNabb is run out of town are considering the investment we made, nor are they considering the fact that it's pretty common for QBs to play better when they get more time in the system, get better Olinemen, Wrs, RBs etc.

All I'm saying is I would not close the door on McNabb being the starter this year, not by a long shot.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

..Exzcept maybe this dude from Louisville:

http://www.fullissue.com/wp-content/uploads/Muhammad-Ali.jpg

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we did talk about it before. You and I definitely interpreted things differently--but I'm not just focusing on words, I'm taking his actions into consideration...

Anyway, here's the quote you're looking for (read that last sentence carefully):

“A lot of times people make a decision and say, ‘We’re going to do this no matter what for the next three, four, five years,’ “ Shanahan said. “I’m not saying that. I said I’m going to evaluate everybody. I’m going to evaluate the draft, I’m going to evaluate these two players and come up with the best game plan. It could very well be Donovan. I’m just not making that commitment until I see everybody.”

“I had a chance to watch somebody for 13 weeks,” Shanahan said. “The next three weeks is not going to change my mind.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2010/12/shanahan-wont-guarantee-mcnabbs-return-2011##ixzz1EpBPjkzC

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty-

Being a diehard Redskin fan, I'd take whatever torture they dish out (and do), but , yeah, I and I, it's a tossup whether or not he's moved outta town, but I'd cheer like The Crazy Man if he were our QB next year..Same with Rex or Beck..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

A4...Fair enough, I see your side too and I forgot (conveniently?) about that 13 weeks comment.

Frak...Me too.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

How can the owners and players still be bargaining in Washington? Aren't all the owners going to the combine to scout players? Dan Snyder will be there with a stop watch. Won't they all be there?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Now stop with this QB/Def Player non-sense you wannabe NFL analysts...

Posted by: murrayh | February 23, 2011 4:40 PM

Y'ain't been around these parts much lately, have ye.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take on Philly's serious red zone defensive problems and what might be required to fix them...

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2011/walkthrough-red-zone-blues

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"Wes Unseld is more like 6'8"..or was (gravitational shrinkage)..NOBODY could push dudes outta the way like that dude from Louisville..Posted by: frak"

I think he was close to 6'5" in his socks when he entered the NBA. Let's just say he didn't grow any taller. It's like Charles Barkley, who everybody pretended was 6'4", or Ben Wallace, who for a long while was listed at a ridiculous 6'9"...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Samson151-

Wes used to tag team on defense with the Big E to cover Wilt and Kareem whenever they played the Lakers...I seriously doubt he was 6'5"..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Wes Unseld is more like 6'8"..or was (gravitational shrinkage)..NOBODY could push dudes outta the way like that dude from Louisville..Posted by: frak"
I think he was close to 6'5" in his socks when he entered the NBA. Let's just say he didn't grow any taller. It's like Charles Barkley, who everybody pretended was 6'4", or Ben Wallace, who for a long while was listed at a ridiculous 6'9"...
Posted by: Samson151

Back in those days I believe you were allowed to use your fro as part of your height.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 23, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

No, he was 6'-8"..I went to his basketball camp , and he was bigger than friends I had that were 6'-5"..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of folks took that McNabb benching more seriously than we should. Obviously the Shanahans weren't pleased with his recent play and had an option in the wings. But there's no Kevin Kolb or Michael Vick in the wings. If it isn't McNabb they'd have to come up with another QB anyway.

I for one wouldn't be surprised to see McNabb taking snaps for Washington this year.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"TYROD TAYLOR QB fifth"

That's not bad..Tyrod is at least comparable to Vick, but with a better character coming out of college..He'd make a good backup to Luck, or maybe more!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse
I like Tyrod, and he's a better passer than Vick was coming out of college.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

No chance McNabb is back, he'll be traded or cut. There is a better chance of Haynesworth playing again in BnG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Draft Tek has us taking QB Andy Dalton TCU in 2nd. Don't know much about him but here's what they said:

Dalton is gaining momentum quickly and may creep into the second round. All he did at TCU was win and be named the MVP of practically every big game he won. That's a pretty good characteristic in a signal caller. I'm still not sold on Dalton, but that doesn't mean the Skins braintrust isn't. He can move but to me has a very average arm but with very good accuracy. While I agree the Redskins need to address the QB situation soon, I don't know if this is the pick to do it in. If an offensive player is selected in the first round, look for a defensive player here.

Posted by: will_ga | February 23, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Robert (Predator) Sands, FS from WVU will be at the combine?

He's 6'5/215 and from the highlights I've seen on YouTube, looks like a fierce hitter.

It will be interesting to see his results at the combine if he is there and what his projected draft status is...haven't heard too much about him, maybe a WVU fan knows more

But in any case, looks like an intriguing pick if he's still there in the 5th round

Posted by: AhsanFamily | February 23, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Andy Dalton is a good QB option in the 2nd. He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world but is a good leader, a great competitor, and very accurate. Not necessarily the most mobile guy but has good feet. He ran a spread offense at TCU. Contrary to popular belief a spread offense does require you to read a defense. It's the spread OPTION offense that Cam Newton ran that doesn't require much reading. The problem with the spread is that it is mainly a shotgun offense which by design gives a QB more time to go through his reads. It isn't something that we run exclusively (the shotgun) but who in the NFL does? I think he would be a good choice as he's a winner (21-3).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Dalton is a reach in the 2nd. Draftek had Dalton going with the 66th pick in the 3rd.

Draftek has us taking Justin Houston OLB from UGA in the 2nd

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

scamp, isn't he kinda short?? I'd rather have Kaepernick around 42, but I like Dalton , just not at 42..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

scamp, isn't he kinda short?? I'd rather have Kaepernick around 42, but I like Dalton , just not at 42..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:02 PM |

6'2". Dalton would be a better choice late in the 2nd. Our pick may be a little early for him. Kaepernick is real raw. Long windup and release, almost reminds me of JC in that regard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

scamp, isn't he kinda short?? I'd rather have Kaepernick around 42, but I like Dalton , just not at 42..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:02 PM

I like them both, by the way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Long windup and release, almost reminds me of JC in that regard.

Posted by: scampbell1975

But JC WISHES he could run like The Flash..Kaepernick is capable of ripping off a 99 yard scramble..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - take him.

Posted by: coparker5

Sure because the Redskins greatest weaknesses are at Icon and Entertainer.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

No, he was 6'-8"..I went to his basketball camp , and he was bigger than friends I had that were 6'-5"..

Posted by: frak

Unseld was never 6'8" He was listed at 6'7" and once he retired he admitted he was more like 6'5 1/2" He was WIDE and a great player, but your friends may be lying about THEIR height.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Wes Unseld vs Vinny Cerrato as a GM.

Who was worse?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Draftek- my twist within the rules

1.10- Dareus DE Bama
2.41- Houston OLB UGA
5.140- Devlin QB DEL
5.152- Carmichael CB VT
6.171- O’Dowd C USC
7.201- Tarrant FS GT

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I recall an interview with Bob Lanier, a great big man himself, talking with complete respect about Wes Unseld. He said something like this:

"so, before I play him for the first time, the coaches are telling me the guy is really strong, and I'm asking, 'how tall is he again?' and they say 6'7" and I smiled and took another sip of my water. No problem, right? Then I went out on the court with him. He'd constantly bump me and get me off balance. He made it very hard to get to the spot I wanted to get to. And when I got there, he bump me to disrupt my timing. He was very good at that. He was a very tough matchup."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

This from the discussion on the "Redskins" name:

"The Redskins debate -- in addition to the latest condemnation from the Metropolitan Council of Governments, a challenge to the team's trademark is tied up in federal court -- focuses on the genesis of the name (was it born as an ethnic slur?) and its use today (does it denigrate Indians?)."

I have a problem with the word "denigrate"..And once again, the name was always a symbol of toughness and integrity for me..HAIL SKINS!!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sharks with another big test tonight. Last 4:

2-1 in OT over Nashville
3-2 over the Caps
4-0 over the Avs (was at that game, Setoguchi w/hat trick)
4-3 over the Wings

and in a few minutes, the puck drops vs the Penguins

Given how close the West is, I've already got no fingernails left to bite ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

After cam"err"camera man last comments should toss up flags...Id stay away from him in the 1st round.

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Wes was a fierce fire hydrant that nobody wanted to have guarding them, and won several NBA rebounding crowns...His full-court length passes with both hands were legendary.. 'nuff said..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

speaking of the wiz-

the Wizards just traded Hinrich and backup center Hilton Armstrong to Atlanta in exchange for guard Mike Bibby, veteran swingman Maurice Evans, rookie guard Jordan Crawford and a first-round pick this summer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

DAMNNN, Diesel!! Much as I like Hienrich, I think we mighta won that one!! I love Mike Bibby!! Plus all that stuff and a first, cool..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I really hope for these excellent college football players that none of them end up with the Redskins.

It will lead to a long awful career of losing, hopelessness and extreme despair.

I feel sorry the athletes currently under contract. Working for Little Priick Danny is a fate worse than hell.

The Redskins freakin' suck and always will unless that POS owner sells the team I grew up loving.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 23, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

NyallsStJohnSmytheIV; pounded in the ass by Danny's gay brother since 1986.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

NyallsStJohnSmytheIV; pounded in the ass by Danny's gay brother since 1986.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

ROFL-im sure fraco-biigeloser and other puppet-o-socks that attack Moe or you everyday...

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but you're right, NYPDEE, the Bullets need big Wes inside..Watchin' 'em right now against the sixers..I swear, they should go after Durant and Jeff Green and don't be afraid to move massive quantities (keeping John "The New Isaiah Thomas" , of course)..I think they're on the right track with DeLeonsis (who even has talked about changing the name back to the Bullets)...

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

ROFL-im sure fraco-biigeloser and other puppet-o-socks that attack Moe or you everyday...

Posted by: skinswillwin


Ain't no fake sock puppet...I like Moe...You smell like a Danny-sock-puppet tryin' to clear your rotten name..Even scampbell is OK , as long as he's a Skin fan..We have DEEEEEEP reservations about Daniel Snyder, he might equal permanent fan Hell, but we're patient...

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I like frak..

for whateves that's worth

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Always appreciate your more professional insight, Diesel..Even if I'm more right than you, sometimes..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

All Right, a little too much presence on the boards today and lately, it's my tribute to Big Wes, peaceout..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, the 2nd period in Pittsburgh is delayed ... because they can't seem to figure out how to bring the lights back on!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Guess I mis-typed was sayin "Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV" was the same tool that attacked scamp and moe in the past as franco, articcat, and such...MOE, SCAMP, 44 and others btw I respect...I am no sock type

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

watching the zards game is a bout as painfull as the skins this past yr...err

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Sure because the Redskins greatest weaknesses are at Icon and Entertainer.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Win!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I think they're on the right track with DeLeonsis (who even has talked about changing the name back to the Bullets)...
Posted by: frak

You can tell it's a slow February day when we can get away with talking about the Bullets here. Leonsis is the best thing to happen to the Bullets in decades. I'm not a big Pollin fan, as you might guess.

Wes was a poor GM, but he was and is a man of integrity. A word Vinny and
Dan would not even recognize.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 23, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Ain't no fake sock puppet...I like Moe...You smell like a Danny-sock-puppet tryin' to clear your rotten name..Even scampbell is OK , as long as he's a Skin fan..We have DEEEEEEP reservations about Daniel Snyder, he might equal permanent fan Hell, but we're patient...

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 8:36 PM |

Not that phukin' patient. These dicks need to get this sh!t straight and soon. You're alright also frak, as long as we stick to football.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

How do you think the D is going to look in 2011? Well this is a practical wish list:

CB Rodgers
CB Hall
CB Barnes/FA/Bucanon
DT Carriker/Bryant/JJarmon
NT No 2 draft choice
DT Golston/Daniels/FA or Draft choic
OLB Von Miller
LB Fletcher
LB Riley/Alexander
LB Orakpo/Wilson
SS Landry/Horton
FS Atogwe/Moore/Doughty

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 23, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I swear im no sock puppet, gnite and HTTR..

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I swear im no sock puppet, gnite and HTTR..

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 23, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins suck azzzzz.

Go Eagles, Cowboys and Giants!!!!!!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 23, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins suck azzzzz.

Go Eagles, Cowboys and Giants!!!!!!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV |

Stfu frak!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 23, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse


Well, the 2nd period in Pittsburgh is delayed ... because they can't seem to figure out how to bring the lights back on!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 8:44 PM |

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zc

the same thing happened monday night when the pens hosted the caps. i'd say there was a 5 min delay before the start of the 2nd period.

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, monkeymayo, you want some ugly???


http://www.monkeyporntube.com/

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

20 minute delay before the 2nd period ... Sharks win with 4 seconds to go in OT, 3-2. Great game.

Sharks missed an empty net from center ice with a 2-1 lead with a minute to go in regulation, then the Pens tied it moments later. Marleau got stoned on a breakaway by Fleury with 1 minute left in OT ... but won it on a rebound with 4 seconds left. I'm sure Caps fans are OK with Pitt losing ...

I know Pittsburgh is down a bunch of guys, but LeTang had a superb game and Fleury was very good. Really physical game -- which probably isn't what the Sharks needed, considering last night was in DET.

But nailbiting road wins on consecutive nights vs DET and Pitt ... that is a great stuff!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse


But nailbiting road wins on consecutive nights vs DET and Pitt ... that is a great stuff!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 10:35 PM |

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good job by the sharks. seems like they've played well against the better teams in the nhl this year from what i've seen. although it's not the playoffs yet, the games surely are taking on that tone

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Did you all see this?

Newton draft stunner
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Plenty of teams with top-ten picks in April's draft sound like obvious potential destinations for Auburn quarterback Cam Newton in April's NFL draft -- the Arizona Cardinals, Cincinnati Bengals, and San Francisco 49ers, just to name a few. ESPN NFC East blogger Matt Mosley, however, has another team in mind, and it's a shocker:

The Dallas Cowboys. Yes, the same Dallas Cowboys who already have Tony Romo in the prime of his career on their roster.

Newton was asked about going to the Cowboys by reporters from WFAA TV in Dallas. His reply: "Jerry Jones, man he knows how to get hold of me, let's just say that," Newton says. Does that mean Jones has already talked to Newton?

Newton will have a chance to impress Jones and the rest of the NFL at the Combine next week. "Just as a whole, my opportunity right now, I?m just going to continue to work hard on trying to become the best player I can be," he told WFAA. "Whatever team gets me, it's going to be an honor in itself to be picked up and it's just going to be a dream come true."

Tim Cowlishah of the Dallas Morning News (and ESPN's Around the Horn) has seen enough. He says Newton would make a great replacement for Romo.

- Vince Verhei


Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse


here ya go zc

By JOHN WAWROW
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 23, 2011; 10:50 PM

... The Sharks conclude a three-game road trip at Calgary on Friday before returning home for a six-game homestand, which opens Tuesday against Colorado. ... For the second consecutive home game, the start of the second period was delayed because the house lights wouldn't come on in the first-year Consol Energy Center. The delay on Wednesday lasted more than 15 minutes, or 10 minutes longer than on Monday.

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

THATS IT,NO MAS, F*** ENEMY BULLSH*T, 'TIS THE SEASON FOR DISINFORMATION....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvwDKSQrH_M

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

frak I was thinking the same thing. I was like every team in the top 10 is going to be linked to this guy.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Saw that Hoya debacle against the BeaRcats...First off, your main engine drive Chris Wright (the Brother), is all up in his studies to the point that he gets All-Big-East Athletic Honor Roll Awards...Just a word from experience, I was a fine young athlete, and I had a chance to become a greater athlete through after-school application of my physical potential...The proper thing to have done with my beautiful body at that time was to CONCENTRATE WHOLLY ON BASKETBALLL...You can learn about them weird booksmarts later....

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

These ol' mutherf****ers wuz insane..


http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/23538460

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:00 AM | Report abuse

The idea of bagging the season to go get Andrew Luck is a mistake. (A) It might not work out, and (B) things change — at this time last year, Jake Locker was thought to be the odds-on favorite to go No. 1 this year, and now he's not even sure of going in the first round.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | February 24, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Or we could preemptively trade for Carolina's #1 pick in 2012.

How upset would everyone be if we traded #10 this year for Carolina's #1 in 2012 plus we got their 3rd and 4th rounder this year.

Technically that would be a feasible trade using the draft value chart.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
___________

Hmm, you sure you've thought that strategy ALL the way out, Buckwheat?

It'd be fun to play you in chess.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 24, 2011 3:04 AM | Report abuse


Wizards, Caps are playing right now and are stinking. Why isn't he writing about that?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM |

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so beep, why do you think the caps stink ?


Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 6:08 AM | Report abuse

I hate Len Pasquerelli, but I'm reaching for any Skins-related stuff and he gave us some:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Washington-Redskins-Dan-Snyder-free-agency-analysis-022311

Can't remember the last time he said anything good about the Skins...perhaps having that heart attack made him less of a dick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:12 AM | Report abuse

It'd be fun to play you in chess.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 24, 2011 3:04 AM

How would that work? "I'll give you my queen for a knight and a bishop this game. Next game I've got both queens."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse


brown

hopefully stability has returned to redskin park, as far as the ink not flying in every direction.

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Interesting analysis on NFL.com regarding what we could do at #10:

No. 10: Redskins
Possible picks: Cam Newton, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, Blaine Gabbert, Prince Amukamara

Analysis: Always count on the Redskins to go get what they want with GM Bruce Allen and coach Mike Shanahan teaming up in a draft. They need a quarterback, and they could have to move up to get one. A number of teams will listen to offers. If the Redskins could sign Sidney Rice, if and when free agency ever starts, that would go a long way toward taking care of a big need at receiver. Otherwise, they might have to take a wideout here if the QBs are gone and Rice can't be signed. If all else fails, they still need a corner.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d81e700d0/article/combine-offers-teams-picking-in-top-10-chance-to-eye-talent?module=HP_cp2

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Can't remember the last time he said anything good about the Skins...perhaps having that heart attack made him less of a dick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:12 AM

Not much less. His implication is that Snyder is still making the personnel decisions for the Redskins, not Allen or Shanahan. "[Snyder] exclaimed his 2010 spree by traded for an apparently used-up quarterback in Donovan McNabb....The stranglehold of impetuous actions may still be too difficult from which Snyder can completely break free."

Also, looks like he needs a better editor to help him construct a sentence.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Beep...I know this is f-ed up, but I was actually rooting for his heart attack to be fatal...or at least debilitating to the point where he couldn't work anymore.

I know, I know...but what can I say? The heart wants what the heart wants...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Responsibility Bus 2011!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

so beep, why do you think the caps stink ?

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 6:08 AM

When was the last time they won that Campbell Soup Cup thing? Or even a playoff series?

Simple reason why they stink. Too much of their roster is made up of free agents or guys they traded for. Only one way to build a team: through the draft. Look at the Green Bay Packers -- only signed one free agent in the last 20 years.

Boycott Leon$i$.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

LOL Beep...well played, sir.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

LOL Beep...well played, sir.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:06 AM

Well played indeed...but the judges have not taken kindly to the delayed response...

8.5

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

LOL Beep...well played, sir.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:06 AM |

The whiney little b1tch won't take ITA for an answer.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Scenario:

Mike Shanahan drafts a quarterback at 10, then ponders (no pun intended) which vet would be best to keep on board until the kid is ready:

a. Donovan McNabb

b. Rex Grossman

Flip-Flop:

If the team does indeed draft a quarterback in either round 1 or 2, I'd rather have the kid getting mentored by DM5.

Say what you want about McNabb's skills, but you can't hate on his overall professionalism and deportment as an NFL player.

And if you ponder the situation as I do (pun intended), you'll see that we might be better off reconciling with McNabb.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The whiney little b1tch won't take ITA for an answer.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 8:14 AM

Wait a minute, folks...the judges have reconsidered their decision...

10.0

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I'm convinced that Hess is either really young or really simple...he's like my 4 year-old who hears Mommy and Daddy talking and just has to try and interrupt even though she's really got nothing to say and just wants to be a part of the conversation...

No adult should be clamoring for attention like that, especially when they've literally been TOLD that they're being ignored...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on McNabb, Moe...I don't care how long Rex has been in this offense (and it's only been one more year than McNabb, really), #5 is the better player. I have a feeling he'll be MUCH improved in 2011 if given the chance to progress in this offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Once again McNabb is gonzo. NO chance he's back, there is a better chance of Haynesworth wearing the BnG.

McNabb will either be traded or cut.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Once again McNabb is gonzo. NO chance he's back, there is a better chance of Haynesworth wearing the BnG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:40 AM


Hope you're wrong about that...there's something VERY wrong here if the career malcontent stays and the classy (yet underachieving) QB who says and does the right things get sent packing. That'll be a huge sh*t stain on this regime if they do some crap like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Say what you want about McNabb's skills, but you can't hate on his overall professionalism and deportment as an NFL player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 8:19 AM

This was always my impression of McNabb when he was a Beagle and the first impression he made as a Skin by jumping right into the off-season program and hosting "hell week", etc. So, I was surprised to begin to hear it suggested, as the season went on, that McNabb isn't always the hardest worker. I can't think of any specific source...perhaps O'Halloran (sp?)in an article Brownie linked to the other day. It was hard to reconcile with my impression of him. Is it real, or just the coaching staff's way of dealing with an uncomfortable situation?

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 24, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

bw26- It's 90% about money and the fact that Kyle and dad have determined that they would like to move on from him.

Alan4- spare me that recycled quote. They're trying to revive and resuscitate and trade value McNabb may have.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope our new friend Mike made it to Indianapolis alright.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Y'know - at some point I started wondering if we were just the most jaded bazturdz in just continually harping on our squires of RI.

...Turns out, it wasn't us. Nice job MIKE!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - take him.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - trade the pick to some other dope organization who wants to pin its future to a self-absorbed image-driven criminal.

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Robert (Predator) Sands, FS from WVU will be at the combine?

He's 6'5/215 and from the highlights I've seen on YouTube, looks like a fierce hitter.

It will be interesting to see his results at the combine if he is there and what his projected draft status is...haven't heard too much about him, maybe a WVU fan knows more

But in any case, looks like an intriguing pick if he's still there in the 5th round

Posted by: AhsanFamily | February 23, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes the sandman will be at the combine.

"The NFL Combine begins this week in Indianapolis, IN and six former West Virginia football players will be there trying to impress NFL officials in hopes of being selected in the 2011 NFL Draft. The players who will be poked and prodded by executives, coaches, scouts and doctors from all 32 NFL teams are Noel Devine, Jock Sanders, Brandon Hogan, Chris Neild, J.T. Thomas and Robert Sands."

Sands highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0o1xMWqCow


He will most likely gain a ton of stock once scouts see in person that he is a legit 6'5 225. He has great speed and great hands. Is known as a fierce tackler and has a knack for getting the ball.
He had a better Sophomore year then Junior year cause BE qbs stopped throwing his way(not many good qbs in the division.) Was one of the leaders on a WVU team that finished TOP 5 in all major D categories and was the only D1 defense to allow no more then 21 points in a game.
If he had come back and stayed healthy and productive his senior year he would project out as a second rounder. He jumped early and will fall. If he could be had in the 5th you want to take him. There is no real downside for him other then his size. Is 6'5 to big to play FS.

WVU runs a 3-3-5 stack Defense which translates very well to a 3-4 as far as D backs are concerned. So he could adapt well to our D. He is from FL and says he models his game after ST21.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - take him.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - trade the pick to some other dope organization who wants to pin its future to a self-absorbed image-driven criminal.

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The only way we should take Cam at #10 is if it's Cameron Jordan. Could you imagine our dline if we could have Carriker, Powe, and Cam Jordan with Jarmon, Bryant, and Holliday in rotation? That would be decent.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Question: Are there any collegiate 3-4 defenses to speak of?

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

University of Georgia switched to a 3-4 this year.

Justin Houston is an OLB prospect who beasted out in it this past year. If we trade down from 10 and get another pick or 2, he's on my list of desireable later first-rounders/early-second rounders.

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

If Cam is sitting there at 10 - trade the pick to some other dope organization who wants to pin its future to a self-absorbed image-driven criminal.

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 8:56 AM


Co-sign on the revised version.

Diesel, some things have to mean more than money...if Shanahan wants his message and credibility intact, then he needs to get AH outta town ASAFP, regardless of what happens with McNabb. If #5 is gone and #92 continues to waste space, then he's a hypocrite and fraud. I mean, Zorn could let AH walk all over him for half the price...plus he calls plays to work and what not...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

McNabb v. the Redskins

from NFL.com

14 Donovan McNabb 275 472 58.3 36.3 3,377

With a starting o-line of Williams, Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Brown, and Moss, Cooley, Galloway, Davis, DM5 was on the way to a 4,000 yard season.

We turned on him as the redskin offense seemed to go to sleep for extended stretches in games.

The Shanahans turned on him because McNabb proved to be the guy Andy Reid said he was.

In McNabb's defense, we will say his inadequacies in Philly were masked by D Jackson, Brent Celek, Jason Avant, and cheerful soup commercials.

The lack of playmakers on the edges in D.C. exposed him.

The Shanahans tried fixing the 35 year old's passing mechanics in the way frivolous women attempt to change sloppy boyfriends into Felix Unger.

The ballyhooed redskin running game that was supposed to be his crutch spent most of the year rehabbing with Portis and Torain.

Donnie the iggle scrambler was a tad slower than the guy who juked past several redskins years ago in a great November comeback Eagle victory at Fedex Field.

In fact, what little scrambling McNabb did perform made him out to be Mike Vick running in reverse.

Still, if the team is intending to take a starter in rounds 1 or 2, I'll flip-flop and say I prefer McNabb in the house to Rex anyday.

Like Andy Reid, we all know what Donovan McNabb is and is not.

But let's hope he's around in the lockerroom, in the huddle, in the film room, and on the sidelines to help the new kid become all that he used to be.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Still, if the team is intending to take a starter in rounds 1 or 2, I'll flip-flop and say I prefer McNabb in the house to Rex anyday.

Like Andy Reid, we all know what Donovan McNabb is and is not.

But let's hope he's around in the lockerroom, in the huddle, in the film room, and on the sidelines to help the new kid become all that he used to be.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse


Yeah. It would be great for the Skins if McNabb is still on the roster when (if) the season begins. Big Al too.

In other news, Shanny and Schefter are working on a new book together called "101 Distractions for your Re-Building Project: Creating Controversy without Resolution."

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse


No adult should be clamoring for attention like that, especially when they've literally been TOLD that they're being ignored...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 8:26 AM |

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brown

if i'm being ignored then why has beep been whining about me for three days straight. better yet, why are you posting about me if you're ignoring me ?

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beep

the caps have won their division 3 years in a row, won the presidents trophy with the best regular season record last year. they have a farm team that is stocked with draft picks, and might i add that team, the hershey bears, won the championship last year in the ahl. rookies on the caps are making an impact for the team this year. with two young goalies they drafted both getting playing time, and yes some signings from outside the org, the caps are a good team, they don't stink. once they master the new defensive style of play, they'll be right at the top.

now go ahead and argue these points for the sake of arguement, i don't care. to say the caps stink just isn't fact

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Question for some of the basketball fans up here...why the hell did the Wizards trade for Mike Bibby when they just spent the 1st overall pick on John Wall? WTF?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...if Shanahan wants his message and credibility intact, then he needs to get AH outta town ASAFP, regardless of what happens with McNabb.


Amen.

He tosses D Thomas aside saying he wasn't professional, but holds on to AH who just isn't professional.

Something is a little slippery in that line of thinking.

And that little something will morph into an obvious double-standard in the eyes of doubting, cynical players who will hear Mike Shanahan say one thing about character/professionalism, but then do another where uncommitted lummoxes are concerned.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Question for some of the basketball fans up here...why the @#!*% did the Wizards trade for Mike Bibby when they just spent the 1st overall pick on John Wall? WTF?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Two words:

Ernie Grunfeld

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

No adult should be clamoring for attention like that, especially when they've literally been TOLD that they're being ignored...

I don't get the whole 'ITA' ignoring thing.

It seems like a mean girl junior high thing.

And I know about this having been ignored by mean, attractive girls all throughout my school years.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Alan4- spare me that recycled quote. They're trying to revive and resuscitate and trade value McNabb may have.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:49 AM

No recycled quotes necessary. You and I are on the same page on this, I was just attempting to present both sides of the story.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes the sandman will be at the combine.

"The NFL Combine begins this week in Indianapolis, IN and six former West Virginia football players will be there trying to impress NFL officials in hopes of being selected in the 2011 NFL Draft. The players who will be poked and prodded by executives, coaches, scouts and doctors from all 32 NFL teams are Noel Devine, Jock Sanders, Brandon Hogan, Chris Neild, J.T. Thomas and Robert Sands."

Sands highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0o1xMWqCow


He will most likely gain a ton of stock once scouts see in person that he is a legit 6'5 225. He has great speed and great hands. Is known as a fierce tackler and has a knack for getting the ball.
He had a better Sophomore year then Junior year cause BE qbs stopped throwing his way(not many good qbs in the division.) Was one of the leaders on a WVU team that finished TOP 5 in all major D categories and was the only D1 defense to allow no more then 21 points in a game.
If he had come back and stayed healthy and productive his senior year he would project out as a second rounder. He jumped early and will fall. If he could be had in the 5th you want to take him. There is no real downside for him other then his size. Is 6'5 to big to play FS.

WVU runs a 3-3-5 stack Defense which translates very well to a 3-4 as far as D backs are concerned. So he could adapt well to our D. He is from FL and says he models his game after ST21.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

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great info, thanks Stu
looks like he may be gone before the fifth round if he does well at the combine

Posted by: AhsanFamily | February 24, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Or we could preemptively trade for Carolina's #1 pick in 2012.

How upset would everyone be if we traded #10 this year for Carolina's #1 in 2012 plus we got their 3rd and 4th rounder this year.

Technically that would be a feasible trade using the draft value chart.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
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Hmm, you sure you've thought that strategy ALL the way out, Buckwheat?

It'd be fun to play you in chess.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 24, 2011 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't wet your pants Spanky.

I'm just throwing out ideas, not advocating we do it. It would be a huge gamble, and wildly unpopular I realize that.

I think it's at least an interesting discussion. I'd bet almost even money that CAR is horrible next year, almost even money to have the #1 pick again.

So in light of what it COULD cost a team next year to move up to #1 in the Luck sweepstakes, I think this idea is not as crazy as you may think.

I'm sorry I got you over heated throwing around wild speculation and conjecture. I was under the assumption that was encouraged up here.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

And I know about this having been ignored by mean, attractive girls all throughout my school years.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:24 AM

And I'm sure that it didn't even slow you down. "Hey, you. You think you can I this A? Not happening. Now get over here and give me what I'm askin for."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the whole 'ITA' ignoring thing.

It seems like a mean girl junior high thing.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:24 AM


Not at all...it's less about "hurting" the person being ignored as it is saving frustration for the guy trying to use such ridiculous concepts as common sense and logic when dealing with a poster who grounds his arguments in bias and the absurd. Hess is getting "ITA" treatment not to hurt his feelings or freeze him out but because you can't have a conversation with a guy who says things like "boycott $nyder" and "free agency is the devil" on a daily basis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse


No adult should be clamoring for attention like that, especially when they've literally been TOLD that they're being ignored...

I don't get the whole 'ITA' ignoring thing.

It seems like a mean girl junior high thing.

And I know about this having been ignored by mean, attractive girls all throughout my school years.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:24 AM |

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good point moe. i find it childish at best.

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

They're trying to revive and resuscitate and trade value McNabb may have.


Donovan McNabb has no trade value.

The one outfit that was suckered into thinking McNabb was all that and a bag of chips is now left holding a burgandy n gold sack of crumbs.

His singular value is leadership and that he remains an excellent deep ball passer.

Beyond that, he is a year or two away from a job on an ESPN football show.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Beyond that, he is a year or two away from a job on an ESPN football show.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM

Can't wait to hear his real thoughts on our Redskins.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

WG, while that plan may be just crazy enough to work, we've got a chance to beef up our D with our 1st and 2nd round picks NOW. While I'd love to make a deal that puts us in position to get Luck, I think with the 1st and 10th picks this year, Carolina could screw around and be better than expected.

Think about it: if they go 6-10, then we're probably stuck with the 10th pick again. No benefit whatsoever.

I'll take the bird in hand...make the best of these two high 1st and 2nd rounders and hope you can get two studs for the next decade or more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think IF we want to trade him we will get something, maybe just a 4th or 5th rounder, but we'll get something....maybe even a player.

Every year there are a few teams willing to pay for a vet QB because they think that's the missing piece.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Question for some of the basketball fans up here...why the @#!*% did the Wizards trade for Mike Bibby when they just spent the 1st overall pick on John Wall? WTF?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Great trade for the Wiz. Trade a back up guard with a bad contract for Bibby (slightly less of a bad contract), a throw away in Maurice Evans, a potential player in Jordan Crawford, and a 1st RD pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Great trade for the Wiz. Trade a back up guard with a bad contract for Bibby (slightly less of a bad contract), a throw away in Maurice Evans, a potential player in Jordan Crawford, and a 1st RD pick.Posted by: Diesel44"

Yep. They're pieces on a chessboard. I think Evans comes off the books after the season, Crawford could be a throw-in in a future trade. They save a couple mil in salary. Atlanta gets defensive help at two positions (Al Horford hates playing center). Don't know what will happen with Bibby -- he's the open question.

Mainly it's about the first. Can be packaged in trades or to move up.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

While they “write off” Washington Redskins
PAPA JOHN’S HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL YEAR

By Stephanie Clouser, Business First, February 23, 2011

In a conference call Wednesday, officials with Papa John's International Inc. expressed satisfaction with the company’s partnership with the National Football League.

Although officials with Louisville-based Papa John’s (Nasdaq: PZZA) declined to discuss the partnership’s impact on revenue, president and co-CEO Jude Thompson said the promotion throughout the NFL season led to a “very successful” Super Bowl Sunday, when the company sold more than 1 million pizzas.

According to Thompson, the only NFL franchise area where the pizza chain has consistently suffered major financial losses over the past several season is in Washington, DC -- home of the Washington Redskins.

The firm’s chief marketing officer Andrew Varga explained the Washington losses were directly attributable to a special promotion the chain offered that gives discounts on the price of large pizzas and free extra toppings for every win and touchdown scored by the team.

Vargas explained, “Unfortunately we bought into all of the hype coming out the team’s front office last off-season, which led us to believe the Redskins sincerely believed they were only a player or two away from earning the conference championship. And then when the Redskins signed quarterback Donovan McNabb -- we went all in and ordered way too many large pizza crusts and extra topics. Unfortunately, we failed to predict McNabb’s fall-out with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan -- or the team’s generally anemic season.”

However, the pizza franchise was able to recoup some of their losses in Washington area by donating many of the excess supplies to local homeless shelters -- and along the way, also earned a fairly large charitable contribution credit against the firm’s federal tax obligations.

Thompson said, “Redskins team owner Dan Snyder may be a little weasel in so many other respects, but we must give him credit where due -– especially when it comes to fiddling with the tax laws.”

Read more: http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/news/2011/02/23/papa-johns-had-very-successful.html

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

diesel -- Are there more trades to follow?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Donovan McNabb has no trade value."

Sure he does.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

But remember we'd have our first round pick as ammo to trade up if needed.

I think Carolina is in deep trouble next year. Look at their schedule...the only 2 games they may win is against us and AZ. They have a first year HC, maybe no miicamps etc, no QB it's ugly down there!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Hess is getting "ITA" treatment not to hurt his feelings or freeze him out but because you can't have a conversation with a guy who says things like "boycott $nyder" and "free agency is the devil" on a daily basis...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:33 AM |

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brown

i had fun with the boycott thing, it got old and i moved on. it is you and beep that keep it going, not me.

you're wong when you say that i'm totally against FA's. i'll say it one more time, build thru the draft and use FA's to compliment and finish building the roster. for some reason i'm scorned for this kind of approach in building the team.

beep hates my guts for the boycott thing, and for some reason he thinks myself and everyone else give a flying freak. who cares

there is a fraterniy on RI, and that's fine. to attack folks for their opinion over and over when you state that you are ignoring them makes you look bad, not the folks being attacked. that is, unless you're in that fraternity. enough said

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Great trade for the Wiz. Trade a back up guard with a bad contract for Bibby (slightly less of a bad contract), a throw away in Maurice Evans, a potential player in Jordan Crawford, and a 1st RD pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:45 AM


OK...but now you have two starting PGs. Unless they're moving one of them to SG, I don't see the point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse


Bibby is entering his 14th year, he's a perfect backup/tutor for Wall and cheaper than Hinrich. I don't think anyone looks at Bibby and Wall as interchangeable pieces in the big picture.

As other have said this was a good trade. They have stated their intention to scale back salary and add prospects and draft picks. Check. Check. Check.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Samson151

"Donovan McNabb has no trade value."...Sure he does.



The major WTF? moment at the end of last season was redskin head coach Mike Shanahan announcing that Donovan McNabb will not play quarterback for him again.

If I'm an NFL GM, this suggests McNabb has no value to the redskins, and probably will be cut.

And who offers up draft picks for players who just might be released anyways (remember, Vinny Cerrato has just left the building)?

Such players have no trade value, and McNabb would've had the Shanahans played coy and let him finish the season--I mean, how was Rex better?

Too, scan the wire for the number of under 30 quarterbacks with better trade value and upside (Carson Palmer or DM5?), and you'd be hard-pressed to justify trading for McNabb.

McNabb has no trade value, so eat his contract, and let him hold the q-back seat warm until our drafted young'n is ready to play.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

diesel -- Are there more trades to follow?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 9:55 AM

deadline passed..but in the offseason. This is a horrible team and they had to do something...they basically traded nothing and picked up Jordan Crawford (6'4 rookie SG that can play D) and 1st.

bw26- bibby will come off the bench and possibly shipped in the offseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The RI Fraternity sounds fun...I want in...so do my sock puppets.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

deadline passed..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the deadline this afternoon?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse


McNabb has no trade value, so eat his contract, and let him hold the q-back seat warm until our drafted young'n is ready to play.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:06 AM |

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QB injuries in training camp, preseason, and early in the season could change mcnabb's trade value

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

deadline passed..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:08 AM

Isn't the deadline 3:00 PM today?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

If you want to fool someone, try a guy who sells pizza for a living:

Vargas explained, “Unfortunately we bought into all of the hype coming out the team’s front office last off-season, which led us to believe the Redskins sincerely believed they were only a player or two away from earning the conference championship.


Truth-telling from a guy who must watch more pizzas bake in an oven than football on a t.v..

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The major WTF? moment at the end of last season was redskin head coach Mike Shanahan announcing that Donovan McNabb will not play quarterback for him again.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Except he never said that. This is where he ended up on the topic of the 2011 starter at QB:

“A lot of times people make a decision and say, ‘We’re going to do this no matter what for the next three, four, five years,’ “ Shanahan said. “I’m not saying that. I said I’m going to evaluate everybody. I’m going to evaluate the draft, I’m going to evaluate these two players and come up with the best game plan. It could very well be Donovan. I’m just not making that commitment until I see everybody.”

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

71 doesn't quite have the same scariness effect as Area 51.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

hessone | February 24, 2011 10:12 AM


Dude will be cut long before then.

Plus, there are so many other younger options.

And does his contract with D.C. hinder another team taking him on?

Again: dude has no trade value.

And if I don't get back to work, I won't have a job, either.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

And does his contract with D.C. hinder another team taking him on?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:17 AM

I think his contract with DC is his principal trade value. It costs nothing to play him through the preseason and see how well he fits. If he doesn't work out, they can cut him and not pay anything. If he does work out, they can cut him and renegotiate his contract at a lower rate.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

NBA trade deadline is today at 3pm....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse


Again: dude has no trade value.

And if I don't get back to work, I won't have a job, either.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:17 AM |

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moe

agree, he has no trade value right now, but who knows how the beginning of this next season will pan out

the only other option is to package him in a deal with another player or players, and if so, for draft picks hopefully

Posted by: hessone | February 24, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty/Gimme,

The confusion is that Shanahan made contradictory statements.

He told a pool of reporters (it was agreed by multiple sources) that McNabb would not be his starter in 2011 (see my earlier link @ 4:32 PM).

He also said he would not make any commitments and that it "very well could be Donovan."

You can choose your preferred interpretation, but based on available evidence he did indeed make both statements.

My view? When contradictory statements are made, actions are the tiebreaker. Shanahan's actions indicte McNabb won't be back.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Redskins trade back and take Phil Taylor in the first round.

Then in round 2 we take Christian Ponder and Cameron Heyward.

Then a bus load of hot chicks on their way to spring break stop by my house to be "broken in"...and something else about my dog crapping money.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

My vote for post of the week.

I'm going to steal this fantasy for sure. Pleasant dreams tonight!

Not sure what'll be more satisfying though, my dog crapping money or the bus load of spring break girls?

Posted by: Devo2 | February 24, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The RI Fraternity sounds fun...I want in...so do my sock puppets.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:09 AM

The Rush Committee brought you name up. Lot of guys spoke positively about you. In the end, though, you were blackballed. Decided that you couldn't learn the secret handshake with your hand in a sock puppet. Sorry.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Yes the deadline is today. Yesterday was a busy trade day and felt like the deadline. I'm a confused old man....just turned 38.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Bibby is entering his 14th year, he's a perfect backup/tutor for Wall and cheaper than Hinrich. I don't think anyone looks at Bibby and Wall as interchangeable pieces in the big picture.

As other have said this was a good trade. They have stated their intention to scale back salary and add prospects and draft picks. Check. Check. Check.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:05 AM

Thanks, dude...it's been awhile since I've followed the NBA closely, so I didn't wanna make assuptions about the deal based on the NBA I knew 10 years ago (like, when Bibby was a top-flight baller).

Moe, seems to me McNabb's trade value comes only if the lockout kills the FA market and a team like Minny or AZ doesn't get the QB help they need. Otherwise, you're probably right in that we'll have to either play him or cut him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

We need to trade back to get more picks..... This football squad needs more players..... Trade the 10th overall to a team of need; like Rams who need a WR = Juli Jones..... gain a later pick like a 3rd or 4th and move back to the 14th overall. Then try to trade that pick again to gain more picks and pick in the late first and take a DT. Drafting more players gives a team the best chance of finding real football players..... For example if you have 10 picks in the draft you have a better chance of finding players that cant play instead of trading picks away and having 4 picks and none of the them pain out!

Posted by: Gussneck | February 24, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:16 AM


The logic in that quote excapes me: and it sounds a lot like the reasoning behind the benching during the Lions' game.

Just as demoting a pro bowl quarterback on his way to a 4,000 yard season to 3rd string is a head scratcher.

I'm hoping for reconciliation as McNabb might have more value as a redskin than anything.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

38 years old...childs play...happy birthday....now go change your diaper...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm a confused old man....just turned 38.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:30 AM

38? Isn't that pretty old for a poster? You know, RI is trying to get younger. We'll be looking to trade you. We've got an offer to send you to the Tracee Hamilton blog in exchange for three teenagers -- an expert on Gossip Girls, a Miley Cyrus devotee who quotes her lyrics in every post, and an X-Box fanatic who relates every Redskins move to Call of Duty.

It was nice knowing you. Loved your posts. Come back and visit from time to time.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The RI Fraternity sounds fun...I want in...so do my sock puppets.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:09 AM

The Rush Committee brought you name up. Lot of guys spoke positively about you. In the end, though, you were blackballed. Decided that you couldn't learn the secret handshake with your hand in a sock puppet. Sorry.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:26 AM

Dag nabbit...well thanks for your consideration...maybe we'll take a shot at hessone's sorority...I hear their handshake is rather simplistic.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 10:40 AM

Don't worry, Diesel44, we can snatch away a walker from these guys. In dog years, they're pretty close to dead.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting analysis (assuming there is a true methodology behind it) on NFL QBs, with a tally of sacks broken down by how many came from holding the ball too long (over/under 3 seconds):

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/23/when-it-comes-to-holding-the-ball-joe-flacco-tops-ben-roethlisb/

If accurate, it suggests McNabb wasn't getting much time to throw at all (there's no provision for Rabach stepping on his foot, though).

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Which one Link text
is Beantown and which is beep beep?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Which http://www.80stees.com/images/Halloween_Costumes/Statler-Waldorf-Muppets-Costumes.jpg" rel="nofollow">one is Beantown and which one is beep beep?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Never mind. I hate html.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting analysis (assuming there is a true methodology behind it) on NFL QBs, with a tally of sacks broken down by how many came from holding the ball too long (over/under 3 seconds):

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:45 AM

I would like to see the stats on "players stopped on holding". I bet Orakpo crushes that statistic. Why is it that he became invisible to refs so often when he was held?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Uh oh. Did I break the blog again?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that he became invisible to refs so often when he was held?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:51 AM

Someone mentioned the call against Dallas opening game had alot to do with it...I agree.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Just as demoting a pro bowl quarterback on his way to a 4,000 yard season to 3rd string is a head scratcher.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well Moe, Shanahan could not have been any more clear on this scenario. He wanted to get a look at Grossman then Beck in live games. Are you saying you don't buy that?

Making Mcnabb #3 was the only way to accomplish his stated goal.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

sween, I think Rak has got to become a better actor... you know, flail his arms like he's drowning and yell whenever he gets held. He also needs to sport a tear-away jersey and a helmet that pops off easily to draw more attention when he's being held.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Am I missing the opening ceremonies on The Combine or something?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

maybe we'll take a shot at hessone's sorority...I hear their handshake is rather simplistic.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 10:40 AM

hessone's sorority? You're going effeminate? You probably need to modify your schtick. Lose your hand puppet, Monk811. Go with a hand panty hose, Nun811.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Well Moe, Shanahan could not have been any more clear on this scenario. He wanted to get a look at Grossman then Beck in live games. Are you saying you don't buy that?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 10:55 AM

I don't buy that. It was the last grasp for a bogus answer in a pattern of bogus responses. I think the part about McNabb becoming back only as a #2 QB was the only candid answer Shanahan has given about McNabb all season.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Uh oh. Did I break the blog again?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 10:52 AM

Everyone's computer was shut down by the virus on that "link" you posted. Maybe next time you should get someone younger and familiar with modern technology to help you with this stuff?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Am I missing the opening ceremonies on The Combine or something?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse


The combine is not watchable. Ive watched it in the past. Wasn't that much fun.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

sween, I think Rak has got to become a better actor... you know, flail his arms like he's drowning and yell whenever he gets held. He also needs to sport a tear-away jersey and a helmet that pops off easily to draw more attention when he's being held.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:57 AM

Seems like, on replay, his arms flailed pretty well. I thought that the bit about the refs in the offensive backfield was supposed have caught MORE holding calls. I'm thinking that maybe it might just be something about Orakpo's technique that he needs to work on to keep from getting held in the first place. Still, would have been nice to get some of those sacks, if not at least the penalty.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

^ Some weak side help is all Osakpo needs. And a few more years of seasoning to refine his technique.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I've never been able to fathom the fervor surrounding the selection of a college player outside of a franchise-level QB. The Redskins have so many needs that their pick at the #10 spot should be the best athlete on the board that has the best chance of contributing as early in their career (meaning, contract) as possible. I couldn't care less if they take a QB or a WR or whatever. This team is so far away from having what can be considered a 'talent rich roster' that I am already looking toward 2012. Seriously.

By the way, anyone here that gets bent because someone disagrees with their drafting philosophy has the IQ of a toenail. No one here has an opinion that's any better than anyone else relative to personnel moves. A few years of Vinny only makes you all think you do.

All that said, I'd go for Gabbert, a pass-rusher or trading down and accumulating late first, 2nd and 3rd round picks.

I'm more concerned with who the team gets rid of this year than who they draft.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

hessone's sorority? You're going effeminate? You probably need to modify your schtick. Lose your hand puppet, Monk811. Go with a hand panty hose, Nun811.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:02 AM

Haha...the more I think about it...the more the sorority seems the way to go...if only I could find a way to get hessone out of there.

Re: The NFL Combine...I try to watch at least 10 minutes per year.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Re: The NFL Combine...I try to watch at least 10 minutes per year.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 11:16 AM |

That's still about 120 40-yard dash timings.

Screw that.


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree with your post especially about personnel evaluation. But if you want the skins to get Gabbert at #10 you suck. Im down with the other options.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I kind of feel bad for Jimmy Clausen. Maybe he's not that bad.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

That's still about 120 40-yard dash timings.


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:19 AM |

Someone's not keeping up. This year we're only drafting D-Linemen. You don't have to watch the 40-yard dash stuff. All you have to watch is the bench press competition, then you're done. Don't even need to see them taking the Wonderlic.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree with your post especially about personnel evaluation. But if you want the skins to get Gabbert at #10 you suck. Im down with the other options.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse


I'd rather have Newton than Gabbert...and I don't even want Newton at #10. Just sayin, if you're going to take the guy from the spread offense that doesn't know how to read a defense or advance through read progressions then I'm going with the guy that is very athletic.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree with your post especially about personnel evaluation. But if you want the skins to get Gabbert at #10 you suck. Im down with the other options.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:21 AM |

Doosh face: I'm down with any/all options. That was my point. Gabbert COULD be a solid selection but so COULD any other options. Boz was a bust as a LB. Mandarich was a bust as a LT. Courtney Brown was a bust as a DE. Leaf was a bust as a QB.

All the aforementioned players were in the "can't miss" category so the only thing you can say with accuracy - aside from the admitting you enjoy slurping balls - is that you don't know a damn thing.

Booked!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I see several folks opining on McNabb's trade value and Shanny's next move -

Do we trade him?
Can we trade him?
Will Shanny give him another shot?
Did Shanny say he wouldn't give him another shot?

The problem in trying to make sense of the situation is this:

Shanny hasn't got a clue WTH he's doing or what his next move is and had his head up his backside, his son's backside, Bruce Allen's backside and possibly Dan Snyder's backside all of last season.

It's a challenging thing to try to make sense of nonsense, eh?

But not to worry.

Shanny's going to take a look at the situation and do what's best for the Redskins.

So that's great, right?

WHo could argue with that plan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Jake Locker will be there for us in round 2.

I was hoping for Ponder but he's going to end up a 1st rounder for someone else.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Re: The NFL Combine...I try to watch at least 10 minutes per year.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 11:16 AM |

That's still about 120 40-yard dash timings.

Screw that.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:19 AM

True...but the javelin throw is fun to watch...I try to catch that if I can.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe bringing back McNabb as the #2 QB was even a candid response. Who has a $13M backup QB on their roster? Pretty obvious the Shannys don't want him and McNabb doesn't want to be here. He can be as PC and hide his feelings through his agents statements as much as he wants, not going to change that.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 24, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Can't remember the last time he said anything good about the Skins...perhaps having that heart attack made him less of a dick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:12 AM

Not much less. His implication is that Snyder is still making the personnel decisions for the Redskins, not Allen or Shanahan....

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 6:53 AM

If thinking Snyder has some influence over key personnel decisions makes someone a dick, at least that explains my stiff neck and back in the morning....

I don't believe Snyder makes general personnel decisions to the extent of Al Davis, for example, but I'm convinced he still looks out for and favors his "stars".

Haynesworth and McNabb sure look like Snyder moves to me. Snyder is still saying he hopes they both play (and McNabb starts) next year.

Meanwhile, Shanahan was able to waive Devin Thomas with no problem for poor practices midway through the season, but still had Haynesworth wearing B&G until he finally suspended him for "conduct detrimental to the team".

And what of McNabb? By all appearances, Shanahan doesn't think he can play anymore. Shanahan benched McNabb twice, said Grossman gives the team the best chance of winning, demoted him to #3 and said Mcnabb won't start at next year. Are we to believe Shanahan's the one who swung and missed so badly on McNabb?

There were reports that Snyder was upset when McNabb was benched this year, which jibes perfectly with the comments he's quoted as making about hoping McNabb is the starter next year.

A hands-off owner probably wouldn't make any comments about it other than to support their head coach.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I kind of feel bad for Jimmy Clausen. Maybe he's not the raging dick he looks like...perhaps he's just a total d-bag.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 11:23 AM


There...fixed it for ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Jake Locker will be there for us in round 2.

I was hoping for Ponder but he's going to end up a 1st rounder for someone else.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM

Moe's constant pounding for Ponder makes me think that would be OK ... but I still have my man love for Kaepernick, esp. for the accuracy on the deep ball. I just don't want Locker. Everything I've read (and I concede PF's point about toenail intelligence of armchair GMs) says that with Locker, what you see is what you get ... and that there isn't much upside (except on the outside chance that he gets rid of his pocket panic) because his throwing mechanics, footwork, and progression recognition are solid ... its just that his accuracy sucks.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Yowzeers. I was jkin around. But really go and compare Ryan Leaafs college numbers to Gabberts. You will see a major difference. One actually deserved to be picked there.

Now a quick questions what do you see in Blaine Gabbert that make you think he is worthy of a Top 10 pick and the future franchise player of your Redskins organization?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jake Locker will be there for us in round 2.

I was hoping for Ponder but he's going to end up a 1st rounder for someone else.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2011 11:28 AM

Moe's constant pounding for Ponder makes me think that would be OK ... but I still have my man love for Kaepernick, esp. for the accuracy on the deep ball. I just don't want Locker. Everything I've read (and I concede PF's point about toenail intelligence of armchair GMs) says that with Locker, what you see is what you get ... and that there isn't much upside (except on the outside chance that he gets rid of his pocket panic) because his throwing mechanics, footwork, and progression recognition are solid ... its just that his accuracy sucks.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:36 AM |

I don't want Locker either. He lost me forever after the post-game interview on the field after one of his last games (if not his last game) and mentioned that after one hit he thought he went blind, only to learn that his helmet was pushed down over his eyes.

Genius!!!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Now a quick questions what do you see in Blaine Gabbert that make you think he is worthy of a Top 10 pick and the future franchise player of your Redskins organization?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:38 AM |

I like that he has all the tools of a Cam Newton without actually being a tool.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

If thinking Snyder has some influence over key personnel decisions makes someone a dick, at least that explains my stiff neck and back in the morning....

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 11:34 AM

Alan, if you've ever read Pastabelly's stuff, you'd know he's basically an instrument for his agent buddies...dude has little credibility, IMO. He's a dick for a lot of reasons, but taking gratitous shots at the Skins is far from the top of the list.

I think the truth on Snyder lies somewhere in-between...I think Allen is playing it in a way that Snyder is kept outta the football operation without really knowing he's being left outta the football operation. A good exec can make an owner like Snyder feel important even though he probably isn't...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't want Locker either. He lost me forever after the post-game interview on the field after one of his last games (if not his last game) and mentioned that after one hit he thought he went blind, only to learn that his helmet was pushed down over his eyes.

Genius!!!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:39 AM

This coming from a guy who thought he had his head screwed on backwards until it was pointed out to him that he's a total doosh.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

First of all, who had a heart attack?

Second, how soon before Mister Rogers puts up a post from The Combine? All I want to know right now is who from the Skins organization is there (and whether Allen is in Indianapolis or in DC at the labor mediation).

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

All I want to know right now is who from the Skins organization is there (and whether Allen is in Indianapolis or in DC at the labor mediation).

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:50 AM

Allen, Schmallen. I wanna know whether Snyder is there again this year with a stopwatch.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I guess thats an answer.
Tools? Like how Cam runs around and over people, or throws for TDs.???

Cam ran for 1473 yds and 20 TDs.
Blaine ran for 232 yds and 5 tds.

Cam passed for 30 TDs.
Blaine passed for 16 TDs.

You toolsy analogy is completely lost on me.

But again saying he has tools comparable to another potential top 10 pick that a lot of people wouldnt take in the top 10. despite that comparable player having exponentially better numbers.

I just done see how you justify a Top 10 pick on comparable tools and good attitude?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

sween, about a year ago Len Pasquarelli had a heart attack, put him out of commission for awhile.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Sure because the Redskins greatest weaknesses are at Icon and Entertainer.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Win!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse


Actually, to a one Mr. Daniel Snyder that's the most pressing need each and every year.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 24, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I just done see how you justify a Top 10 pick on comparable tools and good attitude?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:53 AM

Not sure I've been following this carefully. Are you saying that you and Personal_Fowl are comparable tools? Which one are you saying has the good attitude?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

sween, about a year ago Len Pasquarelli had a heart attack, put him out of commission for awhile.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 11:55 AM

About the time that Dr. Z had his stroke that has put him out of commission forever.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

All I want to know right now is who from the Skins organization is there (and whether Allen is in Indianapolis or in DC at the labor mediation).

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 11:50 AM

Allen, Schmallen. I wanna know whether Snyder is there again this year with a stopwatch.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:53 AM

I sent my sock monk811 up there yesterday via UPS...he should be delivered by 3pm and give us a full report...in hindsight I probably should have chosen priority overnight...but the SPG doesn't really pay well, ya know.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"No, he was 6'-8"..I went to his basketball camp , and he was bigger than friends I had that were 6'-5".."

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That just means your friends were fudging their height as well. I've stood next to Wes and Elvin Hayes at the same time and no way in hell is Wes 6'8". He's a mountain of a man (and a lot nicer than the Big E) but 6'5" might even be stretching it.

Posted by: ouvan59 | February 24, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't want Locker either. He lost me forever after the post-game interview on the field after one of his last games (if not his last game) and mentioned that after one hit he thought he went blind, only to learn that his helmet was pushed down over his eyes.

Genius!!!!!!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 11:39 AM

This coming from a guy who thought he had his head screwed on backwards until it was pointed out to him that he's a total doosh.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 11:47 AM |

I think I heard one of the reporters actually mentioning that. But seriously, Locker sounds like every West Coast stoner I ever knew. He drops more "dudes" and "mans" than Jeff Spicoli.

I choose to exercise my right to change my mind on Newton - entirely. I personally wouldn't select him until the second round, if at all after his comments on his aspirations which have nothing to do with playing quarterback in the NFL. It's amazing how comfy a rookie (not even a rookie yet) gets after signing a major endorsement deal before they even get drafted. Whoever drafts Newton will be drafing a guy who is already a millionaire and starting to believe whatever the agents and Under Aromor execs like that bench-warmer Kevin Plank whisper in his ear.

Having it between the ears in the NFL is even more important than being 6'6" and having a cannon for an arm. Ask Leaf or George.

Newton believes he's already made it. I want someone whose primary interest is learning how to SUCCESSFULLY play QB at an NFL level.

My opinion of course. I default to being okay with whomever the 'Skins draft or don't draft at the 10 spot.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I just hope they don't do something like mortgage more future draft picks to move up. There should be a qb available in the second round (Dalton, Ponder, Locker maybe, etc.). With at least 4 teams (Bills, Titans, 49ers, AZ) needing a qb and picking ahead of the skins I doubt Gabbert or Newton slides to 10. If they do I'd be skeptical as to why. With the CBA mess it seems more and more unlikely that teams will be able to trade or sign FA qbs so those 4 teams will look long and hard at a qb. Not to mention the teams picking after the skins that may want to move up (vikes, fins, etc). DE or olb seems to be the more likely choice IMO.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I just hope they don't do something like mortgage more future draft picks to move up. There should be a qb available in the second round (Dalton, Ponder, Locker maybe, etc.). With at least 4 teams (Bills, Titans, 49ers, AZ) needing a qb and picking ahead of the skins I doubt Gabbert or Newton slides to 10. If they do I'd be skeptical as to why. With the CBA mess it seems more and more unlikely that teams will be able to trade or sign FA qbs so those 4 teams will look long and hard at a qb. Not to mention the teams picking after the skins that may want to move up (vikes, fins, etc). DE or olb seems to be the more likely choice IMO.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2011 12:07 PM

First you claimed there would be someone they want in the second round. Then, the rest of your post explained why there wouldn't be anyone there.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Signing sid rice & oj atogwe coyuld fill 2 major areas of concern for the next 3-4 yrs.....

Throw in two smaller signings, maybe another wr n a d lineman

Grab d line then o line. 5th grab another lb, cb, center/og

That would be a great offseason for us skins fans n also a huge step for our turnaround

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Signing sid rice & oj atogwe coyuld fill 2 major areas of concern for the next 3-4 yrs.....

Throw in two smaller signings, maybe another wr n a d lineman

Grab d line then o line. 5th grab another lb, cb, center/og

That would be a great offseason for us skins fans n also a huge step for our turnaround

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Signing sid rice & oj atogwe coyuld fill 2 major areas of concern for the next 3-4 yrs.....

Throw in two smaller signings, maybe another wr n a d lineman

Grab d line then o line. 5th grab another lb, cb, center/og

That would be a great offseason for us skins fans n also a huge step for our turnaround

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

But again saying he has tools comparable to another potential top 10 pick that a lot of people wouldnt take in the top 10. despite that comparable player having exponentially better numbers.

I just done see how you justify a Top 10 pick on comparable tools and good attitude?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 11:53 AM |

Don't put me to the test - you're not qualified. I know the stats and Newton passes the eye test. Based on what you have learned this year about the controversies surrounding the dude to date, are you willing to take him at #10, pay him 20+million up front and hope he's ready to play in year one?

Because you know there's ZERO CHANCE a 10-pick on a Snyder-owned team warms the bench for an entire year right?

You do know that right? Because I am thinking you and anyone else who copies/pastes statistics on a blog has no ability to argue their own points based on what they actually believe. By your own rationale, you would have nabbed Leaf, Schuler, Tim Couch, hell, even Akili Smith or Art Schlister (sp?). How would that have worked out for ya?

I'm not saying.....I'm just saying.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan could not have been any more clear on this scenario. He wanted to get a look at Grossman then Beck in live games. Are you saying you don't buy that?

Will you buy the fact that the entire effort was an utter failure?

We learned what we already knew about Rex and Beck never touched the field.

Thing is, the final juggled o-line was better, Galloway was gone, and Torain emerging.

Rex got his viewing with slightly better options, defense, and line play, I'd say.

And the team still lost.

I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind the 'demoting McNabb to get a look at Rex Grossman' move.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Throw in two smaller signings,....


I say we add a dwarf, midget, and maybe a leprechaun.

Adding these players would a small expense for the team to bear.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

'm not saying.....I'm just saying.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse


A. I never said i wanted Cam but i wont be mad if we get him unlike Blaine.

B. posted those number because they are tangible.

You just said you liked Blaine because he has comparable tools to Cam. Then you say you wouldn't take Cam until the second round. But yet Blaine is a good choice at #10?

So really you still have not given me one iota of justification of taking Blaine at number 10 to be your franchise QB. but really keep saying Ryan Leaf its working out great for your argument as to why you want Blaine Gabbert at 10.

And i dont expect you to because you have no justification for him at 10...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I say we add a dwarf, midget, and maybe a leprechaun.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:16 PM

You stole this from original_etrod. He said yesterday "that's how you build a winner." Come back with some fresh ideas.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind the 'demoting McNabb to get a look at Rex Grossman' move.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM

It's drawn from the same category as the old "it's not you, it's me" explanation.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying.....I'm just saying.


The Redundancy Department will use this phrase to underscore the pleasure that comes with saying twice that which should be uttered only once.

Let me repeat to you what this essentially means.....

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind the 'demoting McNabb to get a look at Rex Grossman' move.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

What is there to get? Kyle was behind that call. His bff Rex needed another shot at the big time and Mcnabb didn't fit Kyle's offense. Do you tell daddy you need to change your offense or change your QB? One of those options is easier and takes the blame off of Kyle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Moe

As I said all along I think mcnabb was pulled cuz he was injured n shanny didmt want to end his career behind our current lineup. Hopefully dmac gets a shot at redemption n becomes the comeback player of the year.

The question now is simple, does dmac get that shot here or elsewhere.

If cam is there at ten which I highly doubt, he should be our pick.

The best thing for the skins is to hope cam is not there so we can focus our upgrades elsewhere ie d line o line lb corp n wr corp

As for the small signings id take the leprechaun, maybe next yr hell bring us Luck ;)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Moe

As I said all along I think mcnabb was pulled cuz he was injured n shanny didmt want to end his career behind our current lineup. Hopefully dmac gets a shot at redemption n becomes the comeback player of the year.

The question now is simple, does dmac get that shot here or elsewhere.

If cam is there at ten which I highly doubt, he should be our pick.

The best thing for the skins is to hope cam is not there so we can focus our upgrades elsewhere ie d line o line lb corp n wr corp

As for the small signings id take the leprechaun, maybe next yr hell bring us Luck ;)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

So really you still have not given me one iota of justification of taking Blaine at number 10 to be your franchise QB. but really keep saying Ryan Leaf its working out great for your argument as to why you want Blaine Gabbert at 10.

And i dont expect you to because you have no justification for him at 10...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:19 PM |

Let's boil this down since you clearly aren't capable of grasping my comment on selecting Gabbert at 10.

If you are in need of a QB and are leaning toward selecting one in the draft as opposed to signing a FA, who would you take?

You said Newton (yes, I know you didn't say at 10, you said over Gabbert). I say no on Newton simply because I don't believe he has it between the ears. The next best QB on ANYONE'S board is Gabbert. Gabbert really only has a year under his belt and nowhere CLOSE to the talent around him like Newton did at Auburn (remind you of any other first rounders from Auburn that the 'Skins went for?) so who else would you aim for at the QB position?

Dude, get off my nuts and understand that I don't care who the 'Skins select at 10, I just don't want Newton at this point.

Was that clear enough for you? I hope so because I am done with your lame efforts.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Im thinking this team is bad enough that with a couple bounces of the ball we could create our own Luck.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

As I said all along I think mcnabb was pulled cuz he was injured n shanny didmt want to end his career behind our current lineup...

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 12:27 PM


If Shanahan's goal was to help McNabb as you're postulating, he failed miserably. He only succeeded in humiliating him and driving down his trade value.

If what you say is true, he should have put him on IR.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahh okay i got it you dont actually watch CFB. My bad. Gabbert is a two year starter. Actually try watching someone you advocate as being your future franchise player you F-ing dolt.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

You stole this from original_etrod. He said yesterday "that's how you build a winner." Come back with some fresh ideas.


I was unaware that yesterday someone used this comment in a fashion similar to what I have here.

I don't remember yesterday, the day before, and have no plans to pay any particular attention to tommorrow, either.

Some people call this early Alzheimers, I call it not giving a sh!t about anything not related to porn, weed, or football.

I'm not in the mood to argue semantics, but I think I engaging in punnery while Mr. E Trod seems to be joking about something all together different.

And that point trumps the 'stealing' commentary.

I don't have to steal other people's cheeky jokes, btw.

Plenty of folks have emailed me with demands that I give up the attempts at blog comedy--and I have, preferring, instead, to laugh at what they can't do.

And as for fresh ideas, please don't get me started...

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Moe said cheeky haha

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahh okay i got it you dont actually watch CFB. My bad. Gabbert is a two year starter. Actually try watching someone you advocate as being your future franchise player you F-ing dolt.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:34 PM |

Great, Split all the hairs you want. He didn't arrive on the national scene until this year - neither did Newton. Sorry I don't rattle off career stats of a junior QB who started for 2 years.

Who advocated anything? Do you know what advocate means? Oh yeah, no.

Dude, you're clinging to your comparison chart of Netwon v. Gabbert and ignoring the obvious......

THE GUY IS A DOOSH JUST LIKE YOU!

F u c k all this and just trade down so stuart smalley can shut the f u c k up.

Next.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 24, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Will you buy the fact that the entire effort was an utter failure?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I buy that the entire season was a failure on the field. BUT I do believe that the team took some steps forward...I won't bore you with what I think those steps were.

I have no problem with a team that's out of
contention playing the second stringer to see what he can accomplish. Sometimes it's just that simple. And sometimes it's not.

I think either of us could be right, and as Bob Marley sang..."Only time will tell..."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

...help McNabb as you're postulating, he failed miserably. He only succeeded in humiliating him and driving down his trade value.


So true.

If McNabb was indeed hurt, IRing him is a win if the alternative is making him a third stringer.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

His Sophmore year he put up better stats then his Jun year so you should have at least mentioned them. Saying he is a one year stater is wrong. You said you wanted Blaine Gabbert at 10 then got all pissy about it.

I dont think anyone is saying Cam doesn't have character issues.

But really you should try watching some CFB its fun. MIght take your mind off the anger issues.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The only way we should take Cam at #10 is if it's Cameron Jordan. Could you imagine our dline if we could have Carriker, Powe, and Cam Jordan with Jarmon, Bryant, and Holliday in rotation? That would be decent.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 "

Once again, Jordan's too slow to be anything other than a marginal pass rusher in the NFL..Our prized # 10 must be A TERROR, Von Miller or Kerrigan or one of the top NTs..As for Cam Newton, those comments about wanting be a Cowboy and being close to Jerry Jones should have slammed the door on him here..We don't need any enemy agents, thank you..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested, I intend to perform at the following drills at the NFL Combine:

--100 yard beer scramble

--remote control lost in the sofa cushions challenge

--half gallon milk chugging from carton in front of open refrigerator door

--best explanation for adult book store charges on the family credit card challenge

--power nap reps at desk at mock worksite

--withholding emotion challenge where an actress pretending to be your wife b!tches at you while you're trying not to bust her in the mouth for annoying you

--40 yard sprint to urinal challenge

--ignoring unfunny, stupid posts like this one challenge where you are judged on your ability to avoid poor humor.

And obviously, you've failed.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

MIght take your mind off the anger issues.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If it were only anger issues he might have a chance.

Your best bet with him is to ignore everything signed P_F or N_P_I (Same guy). It's hard to do, but it's the best course of action.

He's been gone for a week, maybe he was banned or suspended I don't know, but it's been one of the best weeks on RI in recent memory.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to challenge you to a new event:

"Ghosting" a 3 foot bong rip. First person to exhale is eliminated.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

One of a few OL guys #Redskins have zeroed in on.
RT @AdamSchefter: USC OT Tyron Smith, who weighed 285 at college, weighed in today at 307.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

One of a few OL guys #Redskins have zeroed in on.
RT @AdamSchefter: USC OT Tyron Smith, who weighed 285 at college, weighed in today at 307.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 1:06 PM

Can you ask if he's seen our Mike Jones around? I'm getting worried.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

dies, thanks for the updates

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

OT Tyron Smith, who weighed 285 at college, weighed in today at 307.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 1:06 PM

Finished first in mistamoe's All-the-Pizza-U-Can-Eat challenge.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Moe, rock da house!!

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

First you claimed there would be someone they want in the second round. Then, the rest of your post explained why there wouldn't be anyone there.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 12:11 PM

I claimed nothing of the sort. I said if Newton or Gabbert look good enough it is unlikely they'll be there at 10 due to all the teams that need a qb and I don't want the skins to move up to take either. There should be a qb like Ponder, Dalton, Locker, etc available in the 2nd however. That is where I'd like to see them go if they draft a qb.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Jordan's too slow to be anything other than a marginal pass rusher

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he's too slow for OLB or a 4-3 DE but he's plenty fast enough as a 3-4 right defensive end. Where's all this marginal pass rusher stuff coming from? Is this from a scouting report? When was it written? What position are they scouting him at?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you forgot the "Where'd I Hide The Weed Last Night??" Mad Rush..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you forgot the "Where'd I Hide The Weed Last Night??" Mad Rush..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:17 PM

Ahhhhh I was wondering why the coffee tasted different this morning...and why I took a shower in the linen closet.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

One of a few OL guys #Redskins have zeroed in on.
RT @AdamSchefter: USC OT Tyron Smith, who weighed 285 at college, weighed in today at 307.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 1:06 PM

The only issue I'd have with him at #10 is that he's only played RT. Is he capable to swing to the left side or to kick inside? That's the question that needs to be addressed.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272992

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm just surprised he's considered "too slow" to be a top 10 pick when:

We haven't even had the combine yet.

He's just as fast as Tyson Alualu who went at #8 last year.

He's the highest ranked 3-4 end.

They have him listed 2 tenths of a second faster on the overall prospects page than in their scouting analysis.

They have him listed as the 13th overall best prospect.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested, I intend to perform at the following drills at the NFL Combine:

--100 yard beer scramble

--remote control lost in the sofa cushions challenge

--half gallon milk chugging from carton in front of open refrigerator door

--best explanation for adult book store charges on the family credit card challenge

--power nap reps at desk at mock worksite

--withholding emotion challenge where an actress pretending to be your wife b!tches at you while you're trying not to bust her in the mouth for annoying you

--40 yard sprint to urinal challenge

--ignoring unfunny, stupid posts like this one challenge where you are judged on your ability to avoid poor humor.

And obviously, you've failed.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

Very good moe! i laughed for almost a minute at this one.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 24, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

sween, about a year ago Len Pasquarelli had a heart attack, put him out of commission for awhile.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 11:55 AM

Oh yeah. I forgot about him. Did he live?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

PASkins-
He seems too average at #10..#10 should be a bonafide MONSTAH, without question marks..

Does Rachel Nichols have kissable lips?? She can lay across my Big Brass Bed anytime..I'll make her my Edie Sedgwick love slave..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Quote of the Day: "In a rambling appeal for calm on state TV, Gaddafi blamed the revolt on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, and said the protesters were fuelled by Nescafe spiked with hallucinogenic drugs."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/libya-rebels-control-gaddafi-oilfields

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm getting a little worried about Mister Rogers in Indianapolis. Perhaps he's been kidnapped and spirited away to that bathroom stall where Jason Reid used to the RI Confidential videos.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"In a rambling appeal for calm on state TV, Gaddafi blamed the revolt on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden,

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

=========
ahhhh... Gaddafi has learned well from Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 24, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I have made my decision.

I believe we should pursue Blaine Gabbert.

If for no other reason than his name sounds like one of those phrases that begins to loose all meaning when repeated over and over... Toy Boat Toy Boat Toy Boat.

Try it. Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert Blaine Gabbert

... actually, you just need to say that once. Blaine Gabbert

What they he77 were his folks thinkin'?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Quote of the Future: "In a rambling appeal for calm on the Redskins television network, Snyder blamed the past 11 seasons of failure on Vinny Cerrato, and said that protesters were fueled by boilermakers spiked with Worchester sauce."

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Does Rachel Nichols have kissable lips?? She can lay across my Big Brass Bed anytime..I'll make her my Edie Sedgwick love slave..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:41 PM

Someone seems like he's been hitting the Nescafe pretty hard lately too.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Dik-
Coco Crisp..I want what those parents were smokin'..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I have made my decision.

I believe we should pursue Blaine Gabbert.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 1:47 PM

Start over and make a different decision.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Gaddafi has learned well from Bush and Cheney

He just shot his publicist in the face!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

by Nescafe spiked with hallucinogenic drugs."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/libya-rebels-control-gaddafi-oilfields

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Nescafe is made by Nestle a swiss company. Ole Gadaffi still holds it against them cause his kid cant abuse women in their country. Its funny that even now with everything going on he still takes swipes at the swiss.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

One of a few OL guys #Redskins have zeroed in on.
RT @AdamSchefter: USC OT Tyron Smith, who weighed 285 at college, weighed in today at 307.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 1:06 PM

I'm not convinced that this much is about expressing interest in drafting but instead about finding out what there is to know about him and how to put him in their rankins, esp. b/c he's a top ranked OT prospect and there are nine teams picking before the Skins and several after ... so if there are offers to trade up or trade down, its real important to know what other teams know because it affects your own strategery. Even if the Skins don't want an OT, they need to know who else does or might, esp. in the few spots before and after spot #10.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Skins don't want an OT, they need to know who else does or might, esp. in the few spots before and after spot #10.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 2:00 PM

Seems like a lot of trouble...can't we just print off the experts rankings prior to the draft?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Do the Swiss even have an army? Or is the idea behind the name of the knife that you shouldn't bring tiny scissors and a fish hook disgorger to a knife fight?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Thx Frak - I was soooo trying to think of Mz. Sedgewick's surname last night. Totally ruined my punchline - but I feel better now.

And I think we know what Coco's parents were smoking.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

PASkins-
He seems too average at #10..#10 should be a bonafide MONSTAH, without question marks..

Does Rachel Nichols have kissable lips?? She can lay across my Big Brass Bed anytime..I'll make her my Edie Sedgwick love slave..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

He isn't my first choice at #10. He's my probably going to end up with guy at #10 because Marcell Dareus, A.J. Green, and Von Miller are already gone. DaQuan Bowers, Robert Quinn, and Nick Fairly are probably also going to be gone.

If there are no surprises he will be the best pass rusher on the board at #10 and he plays a position in which the only person on our roster that also plays is Vonnie Holiday.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

can't we just print off the experts rankings prior to the draft?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:02 PM

I've always kind of wondered why there are draft "experts" who give it away for free in the first place and who pays them for their expertise ... and what qualifies them to be an expert (apart from their luxurious hair dos).

Mayock is the only one who seems to actually have a real knack for identifying talent v. not talent (presumably because he actually played football), but the network/website "experts" seem like they must be making a ton more money compared to scouts, whose job it is to actually do this for a living and make the right calls.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

ESPN -- The NFL and the players' union have made "some progress" over seven consecutive days of face-to-face meetings, "but very strong differences remain," and negotiations will resume next week, the federal mediator overseeing the talks said Thursday.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Raiders tag LB Wimbley and resign CB Stout to 3YR 30 mil.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Qaddafi is great, totally pulling the "Hitler Down In Flames" thing..A movie with Macbeth and Hamlet mixed in, totally rocks...

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Spread QB Beeps

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

MJ finally made it to Indy...

Beep Beep

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Ravens have admitted to letting McLain test the FA waters... Sellers is getting up in age. And what do we really know about young? McLain is one hell of a FB and we utilize the FB like he wants to be used.. Possible FA signing? Or not a urgent need?

Posted by: SteveOman | February 24, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Do the Swiss even have an army? Or is the idea behind the name of the knife that you shouldn't bring tiny scissors and a fish hook disgorger to a knife fight?

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 2:03 PM

====
They have a militia... All are required to belong until the age of 50.
I lived there for a few years.. (Bern).
Stayed over one night with a date. Under her bed was a loaded Swiss MG51 machine gun.
She said not to worry.. there is one of those in every home.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 24, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is overlooking Jerrod Johnson, Mike Sherman has always been very good at evaluating QB's and someone will get the sleeper of the draft. Jerrod set just about every QB record at Texas A&M in just 3 years of starting for the Aggies.

Posted by: ralphbain | February 25, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

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