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At the bye: High marks for the defense

With the Redskins regrouping during the bye week, we think it's a good time for the blog to take stock of the team's performance. Today, Rick Maese takes a look at the team's defense through seven games. Thursday: Jason Reid looks at the offense. And Friday, Barry Svrluga talks special teams.

Not surprisingly, most of the team's bright spots can be found on the defensive side of the ball. But even this unit has fallen short of preseason expectations. Statistically, the Redskins' defense looks pretty sound. It boasts the NFL's leading tackler in London Fletcher (more on him in a bit) and is holding opponents to 283.4 yards per game (No. 5 in the NFL) and 17.6 points (No. 6).

But the defense probably has benefited the most of any unit from the team's soft schedule. Five of the Redskins' first seven opponents are ranked among the league's worst-scoring teams (No. 23 Detroit, No. 25 Carolina, No. 26 Kansas City, No. 28 Tampa Bay 28, No. 32 St. Louis) and six of the seven offenses rank in the bottom half in yardage.

Where the Redskins' defense perhaps has been most disappointing is in big plays. Though a highly-rated unit a year ago, the Redskins didn't cause turnovers. The team re-signed cornerback DeAngelo Hall and invested heavily in defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth hoping to fix this. But through seven games, they really haven't.

Only the lowly Panthers have caused fewer than the Redskins' seven (three interceptions and four fumble recoveries), and not a single team in the league has fewer interceptions. Surprisingly, despite sufficient pressure caused by the line, only Hall has picked off a quarterback. Certainly others -- Carlos Rogers, specifically -- have had their opportunities.

In the secondary, tackling has been a concern, and more and more, it seems LaRon Landry's impact is limited by positioning. Though Chris Horton began the year as starting strong safety, Reed Doughty has assumed most of the playing time and has developed into a force, particularly behind the line of scrimmage. His three tackles-for-losses are second on the team. Justin Tryon has emerged as the team's preferred nickelback.

Though a concern early in the season, the Redskins have improved on third down (currently No. 14 in the league), and they're strong in the red zone, ranked No. 2 in the NFL. A problem at times, though, has been allowing big plays (See: Jackson, DeSean, Eagles vs. Redskins, Oct. 26).

Because the team's blitz packages are conservative, its linebackers don't have a chance to shine like others in the league. Still, Fletcher is as dependable as ever, gravitating toward the ball on every play. He leads all players with 71 tackles. (Tackles aren't an official NFL stat; according to figures maintained by the Redskins, compiled off video footage of games, Fletcher has 82 tackles). And Rocky McIntosh is also turning in the best year of his career thus far. He trails only Fletcher with 54 tackles, according to the team's numbers, and 39 according to the leagues.

The use of rookie Brian Orakpo, who's splitting his time between strongside linebacker and defensive end, is perhaps the biggest point of contention on defense. Orakpo has looked more comfortable and been more effective coming off the edge. He has 3 1/2 sacks, all of them coming from the defensive end slot. When he drops back in coverage, he's looked lost at times, particularly early in the season. He plays D-end mostly on third downs, and the Redskins refuse to budge on this arrangement. Coaches point out they still need a strongside linebacker, and Orakpo's the best they've got.

The defensive line causes opposing coaches the most headaches. As billed, Haynesworth wreaks havoc, drawing double teams more often than not. Defensive end Andre Carter has benefited. He has just one man to beat and has been doing it regularly. He has 6 1/2 sacks, tied for sixth in the league. His career high is 12 1/2, and the most he has had since joining Washington is 10 1/2. He also has four tackles for a loss and a team-best 14 quarterback hurries. Despite some early concerns, Haynesworth has played the second-most number of downs of any linemen (behind Carter, who rarely misses a down). Haynesworth has three sacks and 10 quarterback hurries.

Thanks largely to these two, the Redskins are among the league leaders in sacks. Just four teams have more than Washington's 18 sacks (again, remember that they've played some terrible offensive lines).

Both defensive end Phillip Daniels and defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin have battled through injuries. Daniels opted against season-ending surgery and is playing with torn biceps. Both are still forces, and reserve Kedric Golston is among the unit's biggest surprises. Rookie Jeremy Jarmon is the other.

Selected in June in the supplemental draft, Jarmon wasn't expected to compete much this season, but his playing time has increased with each passing game. He's still smaller than coaches would like, but he's mobile and looks like he could develop into a key piece.

As a whole, the Redskins have the talent to be more aggressive and to cause more problems, but their defensive philosophy often has them stopping opponents rather than attacking them. In the team's final nine games, expect opponents' total yardage and points to remain low. But expect their number of turnovers to remain low as well.

By Rick Maese  |  October 28, 2009; 4:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

could I be first?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

sure why not

Posted by: Moose33 | October 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This D should be #1 rated.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Is it quitting time yet??

Posted by: mattylight | October 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What? No mention of Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Nope, not quitting time, mandatory overtime, produce 100 more posts before you can leave.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame this defense isn't supported by the offense.

At some point, I can imagine them folding as a team puts 40+ points up on the board.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Surprisingly, despite sufficient pressure caused by the line, only Hall has picked off a quarterback. Certainly others -- Carlos Rogers, specifically -- have had their opportunities".

Wasn't this the same quote used at the end of last season?

See ya Los....Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Posted by: ksquare | October 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Considering how terrible the Redskins offense has been, I think it is still impressive that they rank as highly as they do defensively.

If the redskins offense could maintain drives and increase their time of possession it's possible the Skins would be a top 3 defense in terms of scoring and yards allowed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Nope, not quitting time, mandatory overtime, produce 100 more posts before you can leave.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

haha, one of these days I'll meet my daily quota before 10pm...

Posted by: mattylight | October 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Given our -8 turnover stat, the D can probably be given a pat on the back even against moribund opponents.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If the redskins offense could maintain drives and increase their time of possession it's possible the Skins would be a top 3 defense in terms of scoring and yards allowed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse
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Current rank in TOP: 30th. We are spotting teams more than 5 extra minutes a game (on average)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is an Embarrassment to the Redskin Fans, the Redskin Tradition, to the League. I will always be a Skins fan, but will never attend another game, or buy anything with a Skins Logo, with Snyder as the Owner. I can only hope he starts losing money and is forced to sell the team.

Posted by: ccwbambam | October 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You have to feel for the DEFENSE.....they are playing well...

Granted they had 2 big plays against them on Monday (both involving DeSean Jackson)....but overall I think they are playing well given that 4 turnovers gave them short fields and the offense not helping them in any real way.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147

Phone:
703-726-7000


Fax:
703-726-7172

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will not be one of the owners pushing for a lockout in 2011. The Skins make too much money...Hopefully, as much as we all hate him, other owners will take his advice on how to market a football team and keep the doors open in 2011.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I can only hope he starts losing money and is forced to sell the team.

Posted by: ccwbambam | October 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

That would be years from now. Remember, he wants to pass the franchise to his kids.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Bye Week (-2.5) at Washington

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147


Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM

It would help if you would post a sample letter (like the AARP does for Cork) as well as a postage stamp.

Posted by: League-Source | October 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Snyder will not be one of the owners pushing for a lockout in 2011. The Skins make too much money...Hopefully, as much as we all hate him, other owners will take his advice on how to market a football team and keep the doors open in 2011.

Posted by: rich20ssu

My guess is that there are several owners like Snyder who need an uncapped year, and will push to get an agreement once the uncapped year is guaranteed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Maese forgot to say: When you don't have a true shutdown cornerback you have to use conservative blitz packages. You need Champ Bailey and Shawn Springs, not Hall and Rogers.

Posted by: periculum | October 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If the redskins offense could maintain drives and increase their time of possession it's possible the Skins would be a top 3 defense in terms of scoring and yards allowed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8


PocketsStr8 you're right about this...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

He's seen the signs, heard the chants. How did he respond? How has he responded to fan complaints? For Snyder denial and a circular receptacle are the order of the day.

Posted by: periculum | October 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If the redskins offense could maintain drives and increase their time of possession ...

If Williams continues to improve and is able to move back to LT, and Jones proves he has "reformed" and is able to rapidly prepare and get into shape ... its within the realm of the possible. Rabach hasn't been great but they've managed to be consistent. Dockery, at 29, still has the potential to be all-pro caliber at guard.

Posted by: periculum | October 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

PocketsStr8 you're right about this...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Well we can only hope that Vinny/whoever is GM at draft time gets this logic.

Right now the best way to improve Defense is to upgrade the offense. Best way to upgrade the offense is to fix o-line.

IMO the worst thing the redskins could do is use their 1st rounder on Taylor Mays.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

DUMB and DUMBER
FIRE CERRATO
THE SEASON IS OVER!!!!!!

Why are you discussing personnel moves, Davis, ARE, doing this and not that?
You think it is going to change anything…ANYTHING?

Too much time on hand? Grow up!!!!!

This season is so lost – forget it: sit back and watch the best sitcom available on TV and it will start at 1:05PM on Sunday, have a beer or two, and laugh like never before.

MR. NAPOLEON: grow up, and I don’t mean vertically. But as a man who takes responsibility for his actions!

Posted by: johnbear1 | October 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

IMO the worst thing the redskins could do is use their 1st rounder on Taylor Mays.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

you won't be saying that when they use the first rounder on Tim Tebow!!! hahahah

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is an idiot:

Offensive Line draft picks Redskins vs Pats 2001-2009...

Cerrato:

1) 2008 3rd Round: Chad Rinehart G – Still on roster, but can be considered a bust

2) 2006 7th Round: Kili Lefotu, OG – Practice Squad one year, out of league

3) 2004 5th Round: Mark Wilson, OT –spent some time with Raiders, out of league

4) 2004 6th Round. Jim Molinaro, OT – Two forgettable seasons, signed with Dallas and then out of league

5) 2003 3rd Round: Derrick Dockery, G – Lone good choice, let go (!) and re-signed in free agency


Pats:

1) 2009 2nd Round: Sebastian Vollmer, OL – Reserve Left Tackle

2) 2009 4th Round: Rich Ohrnberger, OL – Reserve Right Guard

3) 2009 5th Round: George Bussey , OL – On Injured Reserve

4) 2007 5th Round: Clint Oldenburg, T – Has bounced around, currently on Vikings practice squad

5) 2007 6th Round: Corey Hilliard, T – Played for Colts & now on Browns practice squad

6) 2007 7th Round: Mike Elgin, G/C - Played on Patriots & Colts practice squads, now out of league

7) 2006 5th Round: Ryan O'Callaghan, T – Ex-starter, now starting RT for Chiefs

8) 2006 6th Round: Dan Stevenson, G – Played on Dophins & Texans practice squads, now out of league

9) 2005 1st Round: Logan Mankins, G – Starting Left Guard / All-Pro / Pro Bowler

10) 2005 3rd Round: Nick Kaczur, T - Starting Right Tackle

11) 2003 5th Round: Dan Koppen, C - Starting Center / All-Pro / Pro Bowler

12) 2001 2nd Round: Matt Light, T - Starting Left Tackle / All-Pro / Pro Bowler

13) 2001 4th Round: Kenyatta Jones, T - Starter but out of league due to drug issues

Posted by: rsskinsfan | October 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

IMO the worst thing the redskins could do is use their 1st rounder on Taylor Mays.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

you won't be saying that when they use the first rounder on Tim Tebow!!! hahahah

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

hahaha you got me there.

In reality there are many picks that would be worse than Mays, my point was I hope they don't pick defense in the 1st.

Tebow in any round before the 4th would upset me.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"If the redskins offense could maintain drives and increase their time of possession it's possible the Skins would be a top 3 defense in terms of scoring and yards allowed.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 "


5 of 7 games were against 5 of the worst teams in the league. st louis, detroit, tampa, carolina, kansas city.

I'm sorry, but if you are outscored by these teams, you do not have a "top 3" defense.

detroit had not won a game in over a year and scored 19 points. that is not a top (3, 5, take your pick) defense, regardless of whatever stats get cherrypicked.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

hahaha you got me there.

In reality there are many picks that would be worse than Mays, my point was I hope they don't pick defense in the 1st.

Tebow in any round before the 4th would upset me.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we can complain about the defense all we want but it is a championship caliber defense. We need to spend every resource we have for the next 2 years on offense and a little special teams help.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well we can only hope that Vinny/whoever is GM at draft time gets this logic.

Right now the best way to improve Defense is to upgrade the offense. Best way to upgrade the offense is to fix o-line.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 4:40 PM

Since the o-line can't be fixed in the short term, everyone get ready for more lopsided loses in the near future. With the inability of the offense to hold onto the ball and the end of the cream puff part of the schedule, the defense is going to be constantly on the field and be asked to defend a short field. The 2000 Ravens defense would have a hard time making up for this offense.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 28, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse


5 of 7 games were against 5 of the worst teams in the league. st louis, detroit, tampa, carolina, kansas city.

I'm sorry, but if you are outscored by these teams, you do not have a "top 3" defense.

detroit had not won a game in over a year and scored 19 points. that is not a top (3, 5, take your pick) defense, regardless of whatever stats get cherrypicked.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Going to have to disagree. Since there is no measurable way to tell how much opposing teams fear a defense all you have to go on is stats.

If the redskins only allowed 3 pts a game, and lost some games 3-0, would that mean they are not a top ranked d?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You all realise that it's The Washington Post and the other media outlets negative coverage of the 'Skins that is resulting in the lack of turnovers created by the defense.

If only the coverage would be more positive, the D would be getting turnovers left and right.

Stupid media.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 28, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147

Phone:
703-726-7000


Fax:
703-726-7172

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM
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How about emails? Don't know Vinny's or Dan's address but these would do...

tickets@redskins.com
clubinfo@redskins.com
WashingtonRedskinsFans@redskins.com
TouchdownClub@Redskins.com
accommodations@redskins.com
store1@redskins.com.
hospitality@redskins.com

IP addresses of their mail servers for those more technically inclined
70.106.4.87
70.104.4.88

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Going to have to disagree. Since there is no measurable way to tell how much opposing teams fear a defense all you have to go on is stats.

If the redskins only allowed 3 pts a game, and lost some games 3-0, would that mean they are not a top ranked d?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 "


your hypothetical is a bit extreme. Giving up 19 points to detroit, 20 to carolina, I think disqualifies the defense from being considered top 3 or even top 5.

lets look at more stats: redskins rank 12th in points scored against (with 123). some of these weren't vs. the defense (scores on turnovers). but the teams with top defenses are significantly better - denver, colts, packers, patriots all have had fewer than 100 points scored against them. Again, we have played 5 of the worst teams in the league.

we have a great defense, but lets not get carried away (top 3).

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Moose33 | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Since the o-line can't be fixed in the short term, everyone get ready for more lopsided loses in the near future. With the inability of the offense to hold onto the ball and the end of the cream puff part of the schedule, the defense is going to be constantly on the field and be asked to defend a short field. The 2000 Ravens defense would have a hard time making up for this offense.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 28, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

And Adrian Peterson would have a hard time gaining 100 yds behind this offensive line. Yet, people are convinced he is washed up.

seriously upgrade the o-line, then worry about evaluating the talent at the skill positions.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Good review of the defense.. but you forgot to give some kudos to Lorenzo Alexander. He has performed very well in his role. Against Philly he had back to back tackles at or behind the line. And you need to call out Landry.. he has not played very well this year. Smoot is playing OK also so at least you could mention that he is a better tackler than Hall. Chris Wilson has also played very well given his limited role and should get some credit. Good things happen when Wilson is in.

Posted by: iseyij | October 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

your hypothetical is a bit extreme. Giving up 19 points to detroit, 20 to carolina, I think disqualifies the defense from being considered top 3 or even top 5.

lets look at more stats: redskins rank 12th in points scored against (with 123). some of these weren't vs. the defense (scores on turnovers). but the teams with top defenses are significantly better - denver, colts, packers, patriots all have had fewer than 100 points scored against them. Again, we have played 5 of the worst teams in the league.

we have a great defense, but lets not get carried away (top 3).

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

understood that the hypothetical was extreme, it was meant to point out flaw in your argument.

Did you notice that all the teams you listed as having better scoring defenses also have significantly better offenses than the Redskins?

If time of possession is improved the other teams offense will run less plays, thus less scoring chances, and hopefully fewer points allowed. Combined that with your defense being more well rested throughout the game and I think that the Redskins have top 3 talent on defensive side of the ball.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but saying that the defense was outscored is patently incorrect.

Most other offenses would score more than 20 points against each of these teams, so the defense was not outscored; the offense was just, well, offensive.

Factor out at least 2 touchdowns scored by the opposing offense, plus a few more points handed to the opposing offense through turnovers.

PLUS - the offense is SO bad that their constant string of three and outs creates positive field position for the opponent, putting the Redskins defense in worse postion then other teams.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 28, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

pardon, meant to say points scored by opposing defense

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 28, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What? No mention of Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse
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I think he's doing sandwiches at The Wawa in Fredicksburg now. The chick that works next to him, makes her sandwiches faster than he does. Slow is what slow does.

Posted by: clark202 | October 28, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....

Carlos Rogers is called out....

Hmmmm....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

seems for 10 years the D has been good, they are on the field way too much and get blamed for not maint stops in the 4th quarter.

There is this thing called a lead that allows a defense to be more aggressive. The offenses inability to score points and or maintain drives has made the D look bad for the entire Snyder era.

They probably would be the best D in the league had Sean T not been murdered. That one isn't Danny or Vinnys fault and that was an excellent draft pick.

Sean was our best player and our turnover guy.

The strategy of going on 4th and not kicking easy FGs also makes the D look bad.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins defense isn't the '85 Bears or the '00 Ravens, but they are good enough that the Redskins would be going into the bye week with a 6-1 record if the team had even a modestly adequate offense.

They're on the field for a long time each game, and frequently from bad starting positions. I think they've played much better than last year's defense so far.

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"...I think that the Redskins have top 3 talent on defensive side of the ball.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 28, 2009 5:17 PM"


Again, here are the offensive juggernauts we have have faced (and their ranking by Pts per game)

St Louis Rams (32)
Detroit Lions (23)
Tampa bay (28)
Carolina (25)
KC Chiefs (26)

Our defense has been great. But to claim they are Top 3 caliber. or one of the most “feared”, I fear is a bit of a stretch at this point.


Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 28, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse


A lil comic relief.

Guess who may be starting at left guard this week for detroit.

Hint..He used to wear #76 for a certain football team.

Hint..He was cut in pre-season.

Hint..His name is Jon Jansen.

Ooops. I guess that was a spoiler.

Not saying it would have been even the beginning of the answer to redskin woes had they kept him, but how long ago was he drafted by the Redskins?

And how many starters have been drafted since?

Yeah, I thought so.

Excellent post Rsskinsfan. Thanx.

It's the owner, it's the EVP and IT'S THE LINE, STUPID!!!

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

SORRY. I added the thanx later in the post, and now realized, the "it's the line stupid" comment looks like it's aimed at Rsskinsfan.

NOT so. I mean it when I said, thanx for that piost comparing skins and Pats,

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I expect CBs to cover and tackle. That is what they are paid to do. If they could catch they would play WR. That is how the saying goes. Hall can catch and isn't a good tackler.

There are probably only a handfull of guys in the league at any given time that are complete shut down corners with ball skills.

It is unbelieveable to me how much flack Rodgers gets, and Portis, and Campbell. These guys play for Dan Snyder, I rest my case.

Has our defense given up more big plays than other highly ranked D's? I have the NFL package on directv and watch quite a few teams play. Seems like they all give up big plays from time to time. Its football. There are great atheletes on every team on both sides of the ball. The best team, on that given day, wins.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 28, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If you find the actions the Redskins have taken against thier fans insulting, please call Jay Moore at 301-276-6095 to tell him. Then call Jason Friedman at 301-276-6703 to complain about how Jay Moore treated you on the phone. Jay Moore is a customer service rep who does not believe fans are actually upset with the team and believes the media has blown the anger out of proportion. He also had the gall to compare the current Redskins to the Steelers of the 90's which is absurd. Jason Friedman is his boss - I am preemptively giving you his number so after Jay Moore is rude you can go straight to his boss.

Posted by: rickste101 | October 28, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "As billed, Haynesworth wreaks havoc, drawing double teams more often than not."

I ain't seen no "as billed" havoc out of the dude. I think part of the reason is the coaching staff. It would be interesting to see how much performance improvement you could get if you paired the team as is with a top notch coaching staff on both the O and the D sides.

Posted by: MrPink | October 28, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

And now for my day's contributon:
Oh! Woe!
[gnashing of teeth]
**weeping**
Wringing of hands.

I've loved this team for nigh on to 50 years. We suck. We will continue to suck. Sadly, I am surrounded by Bronco's fans. At least Bowlen knows how to run a franchise.

Oh, Woe!

Posted by: MrChili | October 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"It is unbelieveable to me how much flack Rodgers gets, and Portis, and Campbell. These guys play for Dan Snyder, I rest my case".

You have got to be one of the dumbest people on this blog.

When did you exactly make your case?

What does playing for Snyder have to do with dropping interceptions or getting repeatedly beat with a double move?

Posted by: ksquare | October 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

As for the Redskins D, they "held" the fearsome Eagles to under 300 O yds, but Chrissakes, who needs O yds when you are leading 27-7 and your opponent gift wraps 13 of your 27?

Posted by: MrPink | October 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually I should have said "gift wraps all 27 points". As for the Jackson reverse TD, it's not like the dude never ran a reverse before and the angles the DBs took on him would have made Adam Archuleta proud. As for the Jackson pass reception TD, the dude is blazing fast to begin with and when you have a blown DB assignment then you have gift wrapping with extra fancy ribbon and bows.

Posted by: MrPink | October 28, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....

Carlos Rogers is called out....

Hmmmm....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2009 5:30 PM |

It's the Post 4th. You know better than to believe this commie rag.

Seriously though, mentioning Carlos' aversion to turnovers isn't calling him out.

Posted by: mack1 | October 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What does playing for Snyder have to do with dropping interceptions or getting repeatedly beat with a double move?

Posted by: ksquare | October 28, 2009 6:06 PM |

How do you know it was Rogers fault? Are you one of the Skins D coaches? It makes sense that with a WR as fast as him you have a safety cover him deep. Even if Rogers had stuck with him deep he would not have had any chance at all to disrupt the play - he would have been at least 5 yds behind him.

Posted by: MrPink | October 28, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The offense is pathetic but the defense has underperformed also. Skins defense had a chance to get fat off some very weak offenses and failed to do so. Honestly, the defense has only looked adequate. They haven't looked impressive in any of the games so far.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 28, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Steelers defense score 2 TDs in its last game?

Not against some cream-puff team, but against a previously undefeated team with a HOF QB and the league's best RB.

I wish our D could do that.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 28, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

i dont blame management, i blame the players, what a bunch of wussies

Posted by: BMACattack | October 28, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't seen this here before. Just saw a link to the SF Gate about Vinnie written just after he'd been fired from the 49ers:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/1999/07/30/SP88607.DTL

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 28, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

JC 17 is at the PNC bank here in Germantown, I just took the wife and kids up there to get pictures and Autographs.

I told him he better play better after the bye.

He seems like a cool guy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

From the Bog...don'tknowif anyone linked to it yet. Difference between Leonsis and the Skins when dealing with media...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/skins_caps_and_the_media.html

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147

Phone:
703-726-7000


Fax:
703-726-7172

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

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Don't do this... you will only cause people more work who haven't gotten raises in many years, believe me, they are not the enemy... Everyday Redskins' employees are just as unhappy as we are. I know this for fact.

Posted by: tony325 | October 28, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

JC 17 is at the PNC bank here in Germantown, I just took the wife and kids up there to get pictures and Autographs.

I told him he better play better after the bye.

He seems like a cool guy.

Posted by: Flounder21

Uh-huh. Good thing it wasn't Sellers.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons for so few turnovers could be that every team that plays us knows that if they dont turn the ball over on offense, they will likely win. Our offense scores 13 points a game. If you limit your turnovers and dont give the Skins a chance to score points on defense, you let the Skins beat themselves. Just punt it instead of forcing something, not like we are going to move the ball down the field.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 28, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

There is only one way to hurt Dan Snyder but you have to keep your resolve into the offseason... If he doesn't hire a real GM & turn the everyday operations over to a competent individual, then DON'T RENEW YOUR TICKETS, NO MATTER HOW MANY FREE AGENTS THEY GET IN THE OFFSEASON DURING THE DAN SNYDER SUPERBOWL... a Redskins' blackout for first time in 50 years would get the message across.

Posted by: tony325 | October 28, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons for so few turnovers could be that every team that plays us knows that if they dont turn the ball over on offense, they will likely win. Our offense scores 13 points a game.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 28, 2009 6:50 PM

A real stretch in logic here. The Steelers offense only scored 13 points over the weekend, but they beat an undefeated team because the defense scored 14 points.

*Every* coach rails against his offense turning the ball over, but truly *feared* defenses like the Steelers take the ball away anyway.... even if you're undefeated and sporting a HOF QB and the league's best RB.

Outside of Haynesworth, Hall, and Horton, no one on our defense is likely to take the ball away from anyone.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 28, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

yet, the redskins defense doesnt really create any turnovers

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/main

Posted by: nattylite88 | October 28, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Even when we do get TO's, we rarely score from them. Twice, from very short fields, that I can recall.

Posted by: bostskin | October 28, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

This defense is solid but not spectacular. They need to take that next step. On first and second downs they should be moving Orakpo all over the place using him frequently as a blitzing linebacker. Run blitzing can be just as effective as pass blitzing and I think if you line him up behind Haynesworth it would really mess with offensive linemen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 28, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "As billed, Haynesworth wreaks havoc, drawing double teams more often than not."

I ain't seen no "as billed" havoc out of the dude. I think part of the reason is the coaching staff. It would be interesting to see how much performance improvement you could get if you paired the team as is with a top notch coaching staff on both the O and the D sides.

Posted by: MrPink

Then you haven't been watching the games. That dude is a beast.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

IP addresses of their mail servers for those more technically inclined
70.106.4.87
70.104.4.88

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 28, 2009

Are you trying to initiate the "Clone Wars"?

Posted by: periculum | October 28, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Then you haven't been watching the games. That dude is a beast.

Posted by: dcwun
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Second that.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 28, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse


Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147

Phone:
703-726-7000


Fax:
703-726-7172

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

____________________________________

Don't do this... you will only cause people more work who haven't gotten raises in many years, believe me, they are not the enemy... Everyday Redskins' employees are just as unhappy as we are. I know this for fact.

Posted by: tony325

How about don't do it because its some dumb azz stuff. Sh!ddy decision making can be fixed. The dude wants to win and waste money every year trying to. Its better than having an Owner like the Clippers who only cares about making money.


The dude needs a football dude running the ship and he better get one quickly.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

If you think JC is a good QB then root for him on his next team if he ever plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 21, 2009 9:30 AM
He only got sacked once and he wasn't hurried very often, he was scared you can't play that way.

When the o-line push the ends up the field past you, you step up in the pocket and make a throw. JC gets scared at this point and has problems completing a pass.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 8:02 AM


JC 17 is at the PNC bank here in Germantown, I just took the wife and kids up there to get pictures and Autographs.

I told him he better play better after the bye.

He seems like a cool guy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2009 6:39 PM

Did it get awkward when you called him out flounder?

Posted by: mack1 | October 28, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

There is only one way to hurt Dan Snyder but you have to keep your resolve into the offseason... If he doesn't hire a real GM & turn the everyday operations over to a competent individual, then DON'T RENEW YOUR TICKETS, NO MATTER HOW MANY FREE AGENTS THEY GET IN THE OFFSEASON DURING THE DAN SNYDER SUPERBOWL... a Redskins' blackout for first time in 50 years would get the message across.

Posted by: tony325

Look, I've supported the Skins forever and will keep doing so regardless of who the owner is. I don't give a phuk about Snyder. I support the players on the field and always will. Ruining the team to make a point that you're unhappy? Do it by yourself.

I like the fact that we could get any Free Agent we want, yet you would like to de-value the franchise? Some of you are as dysfunctional as the the ownership you claim to hate.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

ksquare, you don't get it let me explain aging for Snyder is like playing for al Davis, destined to fail.

You r calling me dumb?

A dropped int is a pass defensed. Dan snyder and or Vinny ignores the O line and we suck...period. To blame of on Rodgers, portis, JC, zorn or anyone else other than dan and vin is scapegoating. That is exactly what dan and vin want for it to be someone else's fault.

You call me dumb an I have to explan the obvious to you?

Your a snyderratto clone

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 28, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"A dropped int is a pass defensed. Dan snyder and or Vinny ignores the O line and we suck...period. To blame of on Rodgers, portis, JC, zorn or anyone else other than dan and vin is scapegoating. That is exactly what dan and vin want for it to be someone else's fault."

So when the players on the field play sh!tty, they get a pass?

Yeah, I know how terrible the ownership and management is, but these guys are the players and coaches to have to play and prepare to win the game.

Even if you have a f'd up deck of cards, there is a way to play the hand so you at least don't appear to have a f'd up hand, and sometimes you can actually win against an inferior opponent(s).

The Redskins have been doing this for years, this year not so much.

I'm not going to blame Snyder or Cerrato for Carlos Rogers for dropping INTs, or for Portis not being conditioned, or Zorn's inept play-calling. The very thought of that is just utterly ridiculous.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 28, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

MrPink your right it looked like Horton missed the assignment. Doughty took his job for that very reason. But so Many posters think they r so f'in smart without being at a single practice, not in any meetings, not knowing the defensive set or assignments, never watching a game film, probably not even rewatching the game on DVR, if they even watched it live sober or totally ripped I don't know, and yet they are friggin experts.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 28, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Red.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Defense is good.

Would that mean that side of the ball is coached better?

Or, would that mean that players on that side of the ball are better and the O-side of the ball are dudes?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 28, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"A dropped int is a pass defensed. Dan snyder and or Vinny ignores the O line and we suck...period. To blame of on Rodgers, portis, JC, zorn or anyone else other than dan and vin is scapegoating. That is exactly what dan and vin want for it to be someone else's fault".

Listen peabrain, I'm not even gonna touch the "dropped int. is a pass defended" line..that's a shortcut to actually thinking.

Players are evaluated based on their performance. Rogers has underperformed. That's a fact. He is not a shut down corner and never will be. He has been terrorized by the same double move over and over again. If he does jump a route he has not demonstrated any ability to catch the ball.

And thanks for the insight Capt. Obvious, but of course ALL OF THIS on Snyder.

Posted by: k_square | October 28, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Red you've got to blame Dan and Vinny for Portis not being in shape and just about anything Zorn does. They created the conditions that let Clinton get away with doing what he pleases and they hired Zorn, a qb coach, to coach the team.

Posted by: mack1 | October 28, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Red you've got to blame Dan and Vinny for Portis not being in shape and just about anything Zorn does. They created the conditions that let Clinton get away with doing what he pleases and they hired Zorn, a qb coach, to coach the team.

Posted by: mack1 | October 28, 2009 9:30 PM

The buck doesn't stop here!

I blame Dan and Vinny's parents for giving birth to them. Or maybe I blame their parents' parents.

Posted by: League-Source | October 28, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

On the defense's difficulties in creating TOs -- I think it's the schemes.

Blache, once a king of turnover defense in Chicago, has gone conservative.

You can't argue with the results in terms of defensive team stats, but the fact is, he's been pouring vanilla extract all over the defense.

Want a comparison? Look at Grilliams in New Orleans. That's what the Skins' looked like a couple years ago. Less highly ranked, but more aggressive, and more gambling.

Blache openly moved away from that approach last year in an effort to simplify the defense so his players wouldn't have to 'think' so much.

One outcome of his conservatism: great containment.

Another outcome: few turnovers.

Of course, Blache could argue that when you have players like Haynesworth, you shouldn't need to rely on deception.

The counter-argument would be the results to date.

Take Brian Orakpo: huge talent, not displayed to advantage. He's at LB, for Pete's sake, taking on tight ends.

What's the point of that, I wonder?

Gregg Williams approach doesn't always work, either; he didn't get high marks last year in Jacksonville.

If you're going for TOs, you have to tolerate mistakes and big plays when you miss.

Seems to me it might be worth it. 2-5 -- that's a time to take some risks, don't you think?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 28, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

MrPink your right it looked like Horton missed the assignment. Doughty took his job for that very reason. But so Many posters think they r so f'in smart without being at a single practice, not in any meetings, not knowing the defensive set or assignments, never watching a game film, probably not even rewatching the game on DVR, if they even watched it live sober or totally ripped I don't know, and yet they are friggin experts.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 28, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for setting us straight, pabrian. If only we could be experts like you.

In all my years of posting/visiting RI, you have to be the least credible most annoying dumb-arse poster I've ever encountered.

The MARTY S EMAIL/ADD guy provided more interesting and insightful comments than you.

Posted by: p1funk | October 28, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

How about don't do it because its some dumb azz stuff. Sh!ddy decision making can be fixed. The dude wants to win and waste money every year trying to. Its better than having an Owner like the Clippers who only cares about making money.


The dude needs a football dude running the ship and he better get one quickly.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 8:09 PM |

No, you're right, better to sit here and b!tch and whine instead of maybe letting someone closer to the team know about it. You're a phukin' genius.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

JR, Nice article. This was an excellent summary of the team's defense's pros and cons. It wasn't a homer piece nor a piling on job. I look forward to the other evaluations to come and hope it is also objective about the players performances and not rehashing the same excuses about management, coaches, number of systems a player has played in, etc. Thanks.

Posted by: elderdave1 | October 28, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

No, you're right, better to sit here and b!tch and whine instead of maybe letting someone closer to the team know about it. You're a phukin' genius.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Better than your dumb azz idea. Better yet, gather everyone you can find and march down Independance ave as a protest.

No wonder Sntder does some stupid things. We've got fans who are just as phukin' crazy.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The article/post was Rick Maese, not JReid.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

By which I mean that the post on the offense which JReid will do most likely will have a different slant.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The article/post was Rick Maese, not JReid.

Posted by: Curzon417

That's why it was objective. You can't expect that from "da Mayor."

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

No, you're right, better to sit here and b!tch and whine instead of maybe letting someone closer to the team know about it. You're a phukin' genius.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Better than your dumb azz idea. Better yet, gather everyone you can find and march down Independance ave as a protest.

No wonder Sntder does some stupid things. We've got fans who are just as phukin' crazy.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 10:34 PM

Snyder does stupid things because retards like you sit on your thumbs. You probably work for the d!ldo and are just up here to keep down dissent. But of course your right, it's better to just sit around and b!tch than actually attempt to DO anything. Hey, why not sit around and smoke a bunch of crack while you're at it? You can sit on your lazy a$$ and do nothing then too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"Hadn't seen this here before. Just saw a link to the SF Gate about Vinnie written just after he'd been fired from the 49ers"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/1999/07/30/SP88607.DTL

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 28, 2009 6:33 PM

Good stuff, you see the MO for Dan and Vinny is -- same as it ever was.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 28, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Snyder does stupid things because retards like you sit on your thumbs. You probably work for the d!ldo and are just up here to keep down dissent. But of course your right, it's better to just sit around and b!tch than actually attempt to DO anything. Hey, why not sit around and smoke a bunch of crack while you're at it? You can sit on your lazy a$$ and do nothing then too.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Then stop being a fan you little b!!tchh. Go to another team motherphuker. And I got your crack pipe too. If you want to pick it up, let me know.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Look, I've supported the Skins forever and will keep doing so regardless of who the owner is. I don't give a phuk about Snyder. I support the players on the field and always will. Ruining the team to make a point that you're unhappy? Do it by yourself.

I like the fact that we could get any Free Agent we want, yet you would like to de-value the franchise? Some of you are as dysfunctional as the the ownership you claim to hate.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 8:20 PM |

This confirms it, you're a reject from the short bus. So let me get this straight? The guy that takes action to make his point, such as not re-uping on tickets or giving Snyder any money whatsoever is the one ruining the team. It's not Snyder and his good for nothing do boy that got this team into the shape it's in right? It's the fans right? We've been giving him more and more of our money since he's been here and we've gotten worse. But we should silently persevere. a$$phuK

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Then stop being a fan you little b!!tchh. Go to another team motherphuker. And I got your crack pipe too. If you want to pick it up, let me know.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 11:23 PM |

The only b!tch around here is you you little phuking do boy. It doesn't surprise me you got a crack pipe. You reason like you're on it. I'm a fan of the team while you are clearly a fan of someone that's ruining the team. Get the cOck out of your mouth and wake the phuk up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Look here you bama motherphuker, if you are a fan, support the players and phuk Snyder. All that other sh!!tt you gotta say, I'll be at my barber on Saturday. Come see me. Expert barber shop on MLK in SE.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Look here you bama motherphuker, if you are a fan, support the players and phuk Snyder. All that other sh!!tt you gotta say, I'll be at my barber on Saturday. Come see me. Expert barber shop on MLK in SE.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 11:39 PM |

Oh, we got another internet tough guy. Tell you what, you come on up to Dayton and we'll talk. Doosh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Peace out and HAIL! Even to you wun.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

dcwun must be Dan Snyder - that's the only way he could be that dumb.

Posted by: rickste101 | October 29, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

SHADES of Faces of Zorn! Did you see that photo of Cerrato attached to Sally Jenkins piece? He really does look like a psycho!

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I like the fact that we could get any Free Agent we want, yet you would like to de-value the franchise? Some of you are as dysfunctional as the the ownership you claim to hate.

Posted by: dcwun | October 28, 2009 8:20 PM


Here lies the problem.

Uncapped year or not, it doesn't matter how many awesome free agents we pick up if in the end Cerrato is still here and Snyder is still doing anything other than signing checks. It's just going to devolve back into the same mess we're witnessing today.

The front office's entire philosophy is completely backwards, and until that changes, everything else is academic.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 29, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Uncapped year or not, it doesn't matter how many awesome free agents we pick up if in the end Cerrato is still here and Snyder is still doing anything other than signing checks. It's just going to devolve back into the same mess we're witnessing today.

A Truism that all Redskins fans will have to learn to accept.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

SHADES of Faces of Zorn! Did you see that photo of Cerrato attached to Sally Jenkins piece? He really does look like a psycho!

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

You've got that right! Vinny and the entire scouting staff should be fired and replaced by people having an eye for talent. Vinny gave an interview on redskins.com and stated that at pick 13, there were no OL there. He should admit that he missed 6'8" Loadholt and 6'5" Oher who are both starting at OT. Even though it is too late, he would salvage more respect if he just admit he blew it. Orakpo was a good choice, however the OL was by far more important. Only the first draft pick is playing so why were the remaining picks so important to keep. All that posturing with Cutler & Sanchez should have been focused on getting a talented lineman. Rhinehart and Rabach are garbage and Mike Williams at best is a guard not a tackle (poor footwork).

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 29, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Despite some early concerns, Haynesworth has played the second-most number of downs of any linemen (behind Carter, who rarely misses a down). Haynesworth has three sacks and 10 quarterback hurries.

What that must be a miss print because everyone wants to clown big Al about coming out of games. To me big Al being playing great.

Posted by: jm220 | October 29, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

jenksredskins & periculum,
So true. I can't believe the garbage that Vinny spits out and then we, as fans, are supposed to just sit back and be mesmerized.

Vinny thought he had the talent to reach the playoffs? That's just sad if he really believed that, and sadder still if he didn't because that would mean he was content to send an inferior team into the regular season. I guess that kind of rationalizing makes it easier to sit on your butt and do nothing. The Redskins FO is the laziest of any in the NFL.

Vinny didn't think there were any offensive tackles available at the Redskins' position? He could have traded down, especially since Orakpo had dropped to them. He probably could have gotten two picks out of the deal and still gotten a quality offensive lineman. I've seen Oher play and Vinny missed - big time. He doesn't even mention the fact that there were offensive linemen available at every other pick the Redskins had, and that he passed on them so he could have the players he did draft sit inactive week after week.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 29, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

To me, the only criticism you can make of the Haynesworth deal is that it wasn't the exact, right priority for the team last offseason.
But if you figure we had one chance to grab him, and it's a four-year investment, I don't find that argument to be compelling.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

To me, the only criticism you can make of the Haynesworth deal is that it wasn't the exact, right priority for the team last offseason.
But if you figure we had one chance to grab him, and it's a four-year investment, I don't find that argument to be compelling.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

"...What that must be a miss print because everyone wants to clown big Al about coming out of games..." - jm220

`
What we have here jm220 is a simple case of being American. Our mind is already made up! That is why voting for political office has become a joke.


Remember jm220, it was already determined to some fans that big Al was gonna be a bust; What do you expect? the bloggers who criticize big Al to admit they're wrong. *chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

YOU PUNY INFIDELS MAY WHINE AND POST ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU WILL COME TO KNOW THAT : ALL HAIL LORD DARTH SNYDER !!!!!!

Posted by: LMichael1 | October 29, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

From NFL.com:

In speaking with Saints linebacker Scott Shanle this week, he mentioned the influence of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams on the "new" Saints.

"If you can't be at practice, I can't play you," Shanle said of Williams' approach.

The result of that black-and-white statement is that guys don't miss practice and there is a sense of urgency to prepare.

This guy could have been our head coach. Could you imagine how Clinton Portis would survive playing for a coach like that?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 29, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Doc Walker said this yesterday (paraphrasing), which I think really serves as a counterpoint to this article :
"It's good to be out at the park today, got a chance to see some people and talk to some of the coaches. And it was eye-opening, because I got to see some film, with them explaining what they're trying to do. And so looking at Orapko, I keep saying they should just let him put his hand down and rush, and that he looked lost in coverage. But Coach O showed me film where they explained what he was doing, and what they wanted to accomplish with him, and I walked away thinking that we are going to have a stud at LB for the next ten years. And Laron, I want them to bring him down closer to the line, use some of his talents, but they showed me a couple of examples where his presence in a particular area of the field completely changed what the other team wanted to do."

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

"...if in the end Cerrato is still here and Snyder is still doing anything other than signing checks. It's just going to devolve back into the same mess we're witnessing today."

So true.

And unless Snyder bands of fires Cerrato, he'll still have the guy there as an influence when it's obvious his run as redskin talent acquisition guy should be over.

But we all know it won't be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

And Laron, I want them to bring him down closer to the line, use some of his talents, but they showed me a couple of examples where his presence in a particular area of the field completely changed what the other team wanted to do."

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 7:28 AM

So the coaches are as self-deluded as Vinny is. Laron is a nonfactor the way he's been playing this year.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,


My dad used to use that approach on me:

Whenever I was too sick to go to school.

I was too sick to go out and play that day(even if I was feeling better later)

The result: I never missed a day of middle school.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Blache is over rated as the defensive coach. Any other good D-coordinator would have blitzed more and put more pressure on the quarterbacks and be ranked #1 versus #6 with playing such a soft schedule.

Posted by: mmagua | October 29, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

So the coaches are as self-deluded as Vinny is. Laron is a nonfactor the way he's been playing this year.

You gotta switch back to talent_evaluator, since you know these truths to be self-evident.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

You've got to wonder what Gregg Williams would have done with this defensive roster against the schedule the Redskins faced.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"This guy (Grilliams) could have been our head coach."


We post that not drafting offensive linemen is a failing aspect of team management, and the other is the failure to hire Greg Williams as head coach.

The FO feared Grilliams and his gruff attitude not realizing the players need a coach they feared, not a friend who encouraged them with scripture and talk of 'staying medium'.

A team loaded with dudes with guaranteed deals needs a fearmongering coach as it really has little incentive to do more than the minimum in terms of preparation and motivation.

Too, perhaps it would have been a good thing to have had a rude presence in the draft room to shout things like, "Hey, I can make Chris Wilson a strongside linebacker, draft Loadholt or Oher at 13, 'cuz we need a young stud tackle."

But all hope is not lost.

A sign of maturity from the FO would be the team interviewing Grilliams again for the position of redskin head coach: a 3-13 season is obviously a ruder awakening than a bullying coach.

Grilliams and Sherm Lewis working together would be a very good way to get things right at FEDEX Field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

The claim is that the D has played less aggressively than they otherwise would because they can't really allow any touchdowns. If your goal is to prevent the insurmountable 7-point lead, it changes the way you approach everything.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

You gotta switch back to talent_evaluator, since you know these truths to be self-evident.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 8:02 AM

League-Source is calling the plays for talent_evaluator.

talent_evaluator = medium
League-Source = well done

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

A team loaded with dudes with guaranteed deals needs a fearmongering coach as it really has little incentive to do more than the minimum in terms of preparation and motivation.

Or, a team loaded with such dudes would tune out a fearmongering coach since his threats are impotent.

Or, the Owner might not hire the coach because he can't stand the thought of some of his favorite guys sauntering into the office to complain that the coach is being mean.

Or, the coach might be an arrogant sob who doesn't seem to understand who's writing the checks Up Here.

Posted by: daggar | October 29, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"You've got to wonder what Gregg Williams would have done with this defensive roster against the schedule the Redskins faced."


Why the fixation on the redskins' defense?

The defense really hasn't been blow off the field or given up tons 'o points.

The offense is what can't be defended.

Not being able to score three touchdowns and a field goal every game--the NFL minimum--is why the team is where it's at.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

dagger


"Or, a team loaded with such dudes would tune out a fearmongering coach since his threats are impotent."


The j-e-t-s--a team with a lot of dudes with guaranteed deals-- hired a blustering rude guy from the ravens who's kinda turned them around, so I disagree.


"Or, the Owner might not hire the coach because he can't stand the thought of some of his favorite guys sauntering into the office to complain that the coach is being mean."

The owner then should tell the player to pack his bags, hire a lawyer, and try to sue to get out of his contract as he's in full support of the head coach he hred.

"Or, the coach might be an arrogant sob who doesn't seem to understand who's writing the checks Up Here."


On real teams, the coach is allowed to be in charge, regardless of who's writing the checks.

Your issues speak to the weaknesses of redskin team management, not my observations.

And I hate to be rude in pointing that out.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

moe, you guys ran into a buzz saw last night, that cat was throwing cheeze and painting all night...you'll have your way with pedro tonight...

"And Laron, I want them to bring him down closer to the line, use some of his talents, but they showed me a couple of examples where his presence in a particular area of the field completely changed what the other team wanted to do."

The problem with this is that while this is great in theory, did it result in a turnover, or a failed play? You can't just put a statement like this out there because you're not painting the whole picture. So the other team changed up, was the 'change' successful? Great, you got them to change things up, but if they were still successful, what did you do really??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse


Let 'em know you're not happy with management. A flood of letters to this address or faxes and phone calls to these numbers has to catch someone's attention:

21300 Redskin Park Drive

Ashburn, VA 20147

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 28, 2009 4:23 PM

It would help if you would post a sample letter (like the AARP does for Cork) as well as a postage stamp.

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You could also send an email to Roger Goodell at the following address and complain about the thuggery from the security at games.


Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net

Posted by: Ireland2 | October 29, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

1st off our D is playing lights out except gor those 2 D.Jackson plays Monday,they are playing to prevent points not big plays, just let Blache play with a lead of more than 2 or 3 points and you would see this D attack teams,2nd I wouldn't mind us taking Taylor Mays he could be used the same way Carolina uses Thomas Davis who was a Safety in college that would allow Orakpo to play more with his hand in the ground even though I don't think he's ready to play as a full DE. Anyone every thought of the Skins switching to a 34 defense...Not on a full time bases just to give teams a different look up front you have Daniels/Lo Alexander Haynesworth at Nose Griff/Kendric At LB's you have Orakpo and Carter outside and you move Rocky inside with London with the Secondary staying the same it could create some confusion on who to block for Offense's and lead to some big plays? Anyway just a thought.....

Posted by: robbkels | October 29, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Are you guys forgetting the D under Grilliams? It was the same thing, minus the turnovers. Cushions in the secondary. Getting beat on long plays - are you telling me you DON'T have images of TO & RMoss torching our guys??

You had the same complaints then as now. DoubleG would have done the SAME thing w/ this D.

Now, would he have built a better O w/ whomever he put in charge of it? That's entirely debateable. The status of the D is not, so much.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 29, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

greg, that was beautiful wannit? ahaaasome! eversince the dbacks beat up the yanks in world series i don't watch their at bats but i saw the highlights. but i did see cc get dismantled by chase utley (who?!)...

btw...how unlike torre is gerrardi...he wears his next move on his face an inning earlier...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow! I broke it AGAIN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 29, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

the defense is average minus a couple guys like Flethcer & at times Haynesworth & Carter. I don't know why anyone would think our defense is really Top 5 if you actually watch our games. No one fears our D. They lack fire and discipline. That leads to underachievement.

Posted by: eghblaw | October 29, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

i too think pedro's gonna get shelled but i'm hoping he don't...if he gets out of the first 2 innings unscathed then he'll be fine the rest of the night...to be honest i didn't even know he was still pitching in the bigs...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

deal, I don't know, I can't see the yanks having another off night, with pedro's cream puff stuff out there...the park is gonna be electric, people will be out for blood with this guy on the hill....

If petey stuff is on, and I mean, 12-6 on his curve, dropping off a table change, and he can SPOT/Paint his cheeze, then he has a chance...the yanks are gonna make him pitch, and I think they'll wear his shti out by the 5th....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

bean

"... you guys ran into a buzz saw last night, that cat was throwing cheeze and painting all night...you'll have your way with pedro tonight..."


I see the phillies winning in 6 games.

The 2008-2009 Philadelphia Phillies will go down as one of the better professional sports franchise team championship runs in the past couple of years.

The Yanks need a right fielder who can slap the ball into play. Nick Swisher and Melky Cabrera are trade bait, trust me.

And you have to wonder WTF is going on with the Cleveland Indians when they let guys like Lee and CC walk.

You can build a stellar ptiching rotation around them, even if you go broke doing it.

Oh well, back to the redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The defense has been good, not great. I like how they've adjusted to fix the early season 3rd down problems. I would like to see them figure out a way to incorporate more Chris Wilson into the scheme. I can't believe he didn't even merit a mention in this summary of the defense for the first half of the season. He is talented and hungry. I fear he will get lost in the shuffle of the upcoming coaching change and end up on the Beagles or Ginas and make us sorry for 4 or 5 seasons.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 29, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Coaches point out they still need a strongside linebacker, and Orakpo's the best they've got."
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Just another glaring example of Cerrato's & Snyder's poor player/personnel (mis)management. We knew Marcus Washington was beat up and getting older. But instead of acquring a young, viable replacement at SLB to groom and develop, we try to take an all everything college DE and turn him into some kind of "hybrid" player who doesn't know if he's coming or going.

Note to Vinny & Danny: You can't turn fish into fowl, you can't turn apples into oranges, and you can't take a player that's played DE all his career and try to convert him into a SLB. This is a failed and flawed experiment. End it now and let a linebacker play SLB. Duh?

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 29, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Snyder can't ban this sign:
http://fire-snyder-sign.blogspot.com/

Posted by: A1232 | October 29, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Game by game the D-line and Orakpo have been getting more tackles and sacks as the season progressed. With the exception of Daniels and possibly Griffin both having injuries and reduced playing time. Basically implying they have improved with offensive turnovers and big plays keeping it from showing in the score. Though Philly was down game across the board.

Orakpo and Carter have really stepped it up. You'd like to see Orakpo have numbers solidly reflecting a 3rd linebacker but I couldn't expect much more for both his rookie season and his transition to LB. I still think Hansey is overhyped but his play has improved. He showed good lateral movement against Phily and had an above average game. Still, I don't think he's truly stood out to the point of garnering double teams other than the normal offensive scheme. There is a difference between keeping an eye on him and redesigning plays. According to your box scores he probably has less tackles than Griffin and Golston for the playing time. He's also the one guy up front who has the biggest disparity between your/league stats and Redskins stats.

Landry was just awful, repeatedly missing tackles early. Missing bad, seemingly trying to lay people out. That is the best I can figure (so fully committed to the hit that a slight juke had him flying off the handle). It also correlated some to a rematch with Brandon Jacobs. You don't expect Rodgers to get as many chances nor take as many risks but still you'd expect him to improve from season to season in an obviously weak area.

A tall linebacker could be almost as important as having a tall QB. But Fletcher shows you how instinctive a LB can be. Yet McIntosh and Orakpo have the better sight lines and should be less likely to be fooled.

Posted by: chavez66 | October 30, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Boycott Suggestion

Let's boycott Papa John. Their toppings for TDs has become a complete joke.

Go to their Feedback URL and let them know that they're being boycotted.

http://www.papajohns.com/feedback/feedback_form.shtm?agree=0

Here are my comments in the Papa John boycott.

While I have enjoyed your products in the past, I am respectfully boycotting your store at not only Fedex Field but all stores because as a loyal Redskin fan I am tired of being emotionally and physically abused by Mr. Daniel Snyder. He has turned your promotion of Toppings for Touchdowns into a sad joke.

Posted by: gogmu012 | October 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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