At the bye: the offense comes up short

Our at-the-bye series continues with a look at the Redskins' offense. On Friday, Barry Svrluga will dissect special teams; Rick Maese posted on the defense.

At this time last season, the Redskins were 6-2, quarterback Jason Campbell had passer ratings of at least 104 in four games, running back Clinton Portis was the NFL's leading rusher and rookie head coach Jim Zorn was the toast of the town. Washington's veteran offensive line provided the foundation for the surprising success on offense to that point, and it seemed the team could be headed to bigger things if the unit remained physically sound for 16 games.

Of course, the line fell apart because of injuries. The Redskins went 2-6 in the second half, finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs for the seventh time in 10 seasons under owner Daniel Snyder.

Those offensive line problems were identified in an internal offseason evaluation of the roster but were never adequately addressed, and so far this season, the Redskins are experiencing an offensive crisis that holds no promise of ending over their final nine games.

With just 96 points in seven games, the Redskins are averaging 13.7 points, tied for 28th in the league. The New Orleans Saints, the league's No. 1 offense, have scored 142 more points than the Redskins in just six games. Washington is averaging 296 yards (24th in the league) and has experienced a major drop-off in the running game, falling from second overall at this point in 2008 to 21st this season.

Washington (2-5) has not been able to overcome its major deficiencies along the offensive line, and league sources who have reviewed video of the team's games do not expect much to change this season. The Redskins' linemen too often lose individual battles in pass protection and the running game, said one longtime NFL player-personnel executive on another team, and with left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas now lost to injuries, most of their linemen are "long-term projects" or "just guys."

Samuels and Thomas were coming off multiple offseason surgeries. Many in the organization expected Samuels and Thomas to miss some, if not all, of the season. Thomas's season ended in Week 2 because of a triceps injury, and Samuels suffered a severe season-ending neck injury in Week 5. Washington brought back guard Derrick Dockery to replace left guard Pete Kendall and made a push to sign Seattle Seahawks tackle Ray Willis.

Considering the magnitude of their problems along the line, and the fact the team had playoff aspirations, the Redskins should have done more to bolster it, players said this week. The team's problems in pass protection were glaring in Monday night's 27-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field. The Eagles had six sacks and throughout the second half pummeled quarterback Jason Campbell.

"You have to be able to protect your quarterback. That's one of the basic fundamentals of football," middle linebacker London Fletcher said. You have to be "able to protect the quarterback, so he can take something more than a three-step drop -- a five-step, seven-step drop -- and not worry about getting hit or being hit, sacked and pressured as much as he was hit [against Philadelphia]. It was only six sacks that they got, but it seemed like double-figure sacks. I asked some of the guys after the game, 'How many sacks did they have?' Watching the game, you feel bad for him with how many hits he's taking. It's just like ... boy."

And here's a sobering thought for the Redskins: In their final nine games, they face three teams (the New York Giants, Denver Broncos and Eagles) ranked among the top 10 defensively and four teams (the Broncos, Eagles, Giants and Oakland Raiders) in the top eight in sacks.

Although the Redskins were statistically among the league leaders on defense last season as well, management was frustrated because of the team's lack of big plays. Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, committed $41 million guaranteed in free agency to lure all-pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth from the Tennessee Titans, $23.5 million guaranteed to retain cornerback DeAngelo Hall before he could test the market and used the 13th overall pick on defensive end/strong-side linebacker Brian Orakpo.

Although defensive coordinator Greg Blache has played down the impact of Haynesworth on others, Haynesworth has helped to raise the level of play of those around him -- especially defensive end Andre Carter -- many in the organization say. Hall has the team's three interceptions and is averaging 28 yards on interception returns. And Orakpo could be a perennial Pro Bowler once he is permitted to become a full-time rush end.

The Redskins, however, did not acquire anyone with the skills to make a similar impact on offense. The Baltimore Ravens have had a much better track record than the Redskins at drafting and developing offensive linemen, and they selected tackle Michael Oher with the 23rd overall pick. Oher has started six games for Baltimore, moving from right tackle to the left side to replace the injured Jared Gaither.

"We got to address and get some depth," Portis said. "We went into the season, and we didn't address that issue and it came back to haunt us."

Benched for the second half of the loss to Kansas City in Week 6, Campbell returned to the starting lineup against Philadelphia. Campbell acknowledged his play has been adversely affected because of his concern about pass protection, and some close to Campbell say he is struggling under the weight of believing he cannot afford to make mistakes because of the overall lack of talent on offense.

Campbell is not a good fit for any version of the West Coast offense, according to some NFL talent evaluators, because of the quick decisions and precision throws the scheme requires of quarterbacks. I've heard that from guys I respect in the game, but I don't totally buy it. I mean, when the line was intact in the first half last season and Portis ran with a burst, Campbell sure seemed to be pretty good in this offense, especially during a four-game winning streak after a season-opening loss to the Giants.

The fifth-year player threw a game-winning 67-yard touchdown pass to Santana Moss against the New Orleans Saints. Campbell completed 73.3 percent of his passes against the Arizona Cardinals. He made big plays in a rare road win at Texas Stadium and helped the team overcome a slow start in another road victory at Philadelphia.

Whether Campbell is miscast in a West Coast system, he wasn't drafted to operate this type of offense. He was drafted to play in Joe Gibbs's offense: Deep play-action passing and a power running game behind a big-time line. Well, Gibbs's return didn't work out as well as Redskins fans hoped, and Campbell has had to learn multiple systems instead of having the opportunity to learn and develop in one. He is in his second season under Zorn after learning from former offensive coordinator and play-caller Al Saunders for two. And then Campell spent this offseason in limbo, as Snyder and Cerrato attempted to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler.

With the problems along the line, no running game to speak of this season, and having been undermined by management in the offseason, well, it would be hard to fairly evaluate any quarterback under those circumstances.

Although the line is among the worst in the league, Portis did not run well when Samuels and Thomas were in the lineup, league sources said. The Redskins decided to carry five running backs on the 53-man roster at one point because, in large part, of concern about Portis coming out of training camp. With Portis's injury problems in the second half last season and the way running backs with Portis's mileage have historically slowed down at this stage of their careers, the Redskins should have selected a running back in the 2009 draft. They didn't.

Pro Bowl tight end Chris Cooley might return this season after undergoing surgery Wednesday to repair a broken bone in his foot -- and that would be welcome news for Campbell and backup Todd Collins. The Redskins still are trying to determine whether second-year players Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis are capable of being consistent playmakers in the passing game; the team's next head coach will likely make that determination.

As for Zorn, we'll never really know what type of offensive coordinator and play-caller he could have been. With the roster's deficiencies on offense, he never really had a chance.

By Jason Reid  |  October 29, 2009; 1:13 PM ET
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Comments

Everyone who say we need a veteran FA QB to hold the fort and draft stud linemen...with stud linemen JC could be that veteran QB to hold the fort...I just think no QB would do good behind this O-line..not even Peyton..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

JC is not a good enough QB, I'd take Toddball over him right now. He left at least 7 easy completions and a TD on the field Monday night with inaccuracy and his terrible read on the pump and go on Santanna who was wide open for 6. He can't read defenses and he's inaccurate. Heck I'd prefer Charlie Batch or Sage Rosenfels over JC. I'm just over him, he can't play in this league as anything more than a backup.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

not too mention, the bridge is burned, JC is gone, just accept it, after last offseason and this crap season there's no way he's coming back.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont see the smarts in drafting the QB of the franchise if we dont have the OL to support it, I dont think we are going to be much better next year, so we could get a veteran to fill in, build OL and other key positions on Defense OLB and DB, then get the QB the following draft...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 29, 2009 12:54 PM |

You gots to be adaptive. The 2010 draft is supposed to be QB rich, not so with OL. Take a page out of the Andy Reid book of coaching. He's a WCO dude, but he drafted DeSean Jack, who is def not a WCO WR. Why? Because Andy knew that he could adapt his O to fit Jack's unique talent/skill set and Jack was the best WR out there. Coitainly better than DT and FD, who were snatched up by our suckjob GM when Jack was sitting there for the taking.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"At the bye: the offense comes up short"

from Sally Jenkins,
"....Zorn, in a measured but quietly mutinous way, made it clear that one result was plays in which the pass routes and the protection schemes didn't match up. Campbell was sacked a bone-crushing six times."


Nothing like chemistry where the elements blow each other up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

in a way, could this be the best thing to happen to the team?? here me out on this. Samuels and Thomas went down as expected, Chris will probably have to retire, so could they be FORCED into a situation where they HAVE TO draft/sign ol players. Chris and Randy coming back last year was somewhat of a security blanket, and them being older, and getting injured AGAIN, is somewhat of a blessing in disguise...because had they stayed healthy, and the team went 8-8, or thereabouts, we'd be in the mind-set of 1 player away.....

as well, could the failure of this team, could that very well lead to VC getting fired, and DS hiring a GM??

like with a drug addict, or alcoholic, you have to hit rock bottom, before you can start thinking about change....

we're getting close to rock bottom.

your thoughts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2

"...not too mention, the bridge is burned, JC is gone, just accept it, after last offseason and this crap season there's no way he's coming back."


Jason Campbell will be a restricted free agent.

He ain't going no where, so give him a low ball contrct and let him take licks while the offensive line gets an off-season rebuilding.

That is, if team F!ck up decides if that's what needs to be done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Let me offer this as grist for the mill:

-Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics have actually made him less accurate.

-Offseason noise about trading Campbell has destroyed his confidence in his abilities and he often takes the high percentage play instead of the go-for-the-gusto play.

-The woes on the offensive line have made him rush his passes, not step into them, and bail out on longer routes.

All of this offered in some defense of Campbell's regression. Admittedly, he was not a good fit for this offense, but adding these factors have moved him from "adequate" to "terrible". It's going to take a different offensive system and a lot of work on his confidence before he can become a productive quarterback again, and I don't think it will be with this team. It is a shame that Zorn could not have pulled off a trade for Campbell immediately after he arrived, because he had to know he really didn't have the right guy, but this is water under the bridge now, and that lack of action probably has cost Zorn his job in DC as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 29, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

During the MNF game they showed a pic of the GB coaching staff circa the 90's. Holmgren was the HC. On his staff were Reid, Eagles HC, Lewis, Skins play caller, Gruden, HC in waiting. Not in the pic? Zornball! Hah!

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"He never really had a chance"
I don't know if there's ever been a better quote that applies to anyone that's come to play or coach for this team.

Posted by: pgugino | October 29, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

in a way, could this be the best thing to happen to the team?? here me out on this. Samuels and Thomas went down as expected, Chris will probably have to retire, so could they be FORCED into a situation where they HAVE TO draft/sign ol players. Chris and Randy coming back last year was somewhat of a security blanket, and them being older, and getting injured AGAIN, is somewhat of a blessing in disguise...because had they stayed healthy, and the team went 8-8, or thereabouts, we'd be in the mind-set of 1 player away.....

as well, could the failure of this team, could that very well lead to VC getting fired, and DS hiring a GM??

like with a drug addict, or alcoholic, you have to hit rock bottom, before you can start thinking about change....

we're getting close to rock bottom.

your thoughts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Let me first say that I think Snyder will eventually get it in terms of how to run a team. So I am hoping that this horrible of a season teaches him some lessons and puts him on the fast track to getting it(i.e. higher a strong GM and let him handle personnel without his interference).

With that in mind, I think 7-9 or 8-8 would have been the worst thing to happen to this team for many reasons.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS GARBAGE! JReid, the offensive system has nothing to do with qb poise, attitude, and effort. Jason Campbell fumbles the ball, WHEN THERE IS NO ONE AROUND HIM! I am sick and tired of excuses week in and week out. Jason Campbell is a bust, and will never be a champ.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse


Dude, I'm 419, row 18. Small world.

Posted by: themantoyou
anytime you need extra let me know, I am up in CT and usually only go to 2 games

Posted by: connskins | October 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

just read sally's piece...ugh! and can't imagine the other dude, tony's coattail rider, being any better.

Mr. Boz, PLEASE, PLEASE!!! you're the only good writer left on wapo's sports staff. PLEASE PLEASE WRITE "FIRE CERRATO" column. PLEASE!!! stop beating around the bush and just say it! FIRE CERRATO!!!!!!!!!! AND STOP MEDDLING! PLEASE! THIS CITY NEEDS YOU!!!! now more than ever. pen that mother!!!! PLEASE!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse
No, who we really need is Bob Woodward to write it.

re-Posted by: frediefritz | October 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | October 29, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

With that in mind, I think 7-9 or 8-8 would have been the worst thing to happen to this team for many reasons.


exactly, it would have been the same approach as last year, where the OL gets ignored. hopefully they'll be so bad this year, that there isn't any way they can ignore the ol...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Also, Casey Rabach needs to go, he is terrible.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Even though JC17 will be a RFA, the team doesn't have to tender him at all, so he could be a unrestricted free agent.

Don't see that happening though, even under Vincenzo Cerrato. I'm sure they'll tender him low to see if someone will make a trade offer. If not, they have a cheap QB rental to break-in (literally) their new OL.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The team's problems in pass protection were glaring in Monday night's 27-17 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field. The Eagles had six sacks and throughout the second half pummeled quarterback Jason Campbell.

It was mostly Campbell's fault. The Eagles blitzing had him completely befuddled and bamboozled. Campbell gave the tired "dear in the headlights" cliche new life.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Why the fixation on the redskins' defense?

The defense really hasn't been blow off the field or given up tons 'o points.

The offense is what can't be defended.

Not being able to score three touchdowns and a field goal every game--the NFL minimum--is why the team is where it's at.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 8:15 AM

The focus is on the defense because that's where all the big money players and highest draft picks went in the offseason. We took a top 5 defense and added the best defensive player in the NFL (who gets credit for raising the game of those around him) and a #13 overall pick. We paid $23.5M guaranteed to retain a CB picked up half-way through last season.

On the other hand, we got overweight and reject guys to fill gaping holes on offense.

The Steelers offense scored as many points as the Skins offense: 13. But they beat an undefeated team with the best RB in the NFL and a HOF QB because their defense scored 2 TDs.

Our defense would have to be like the Steelers defense for this team to be a legit playoff threat. It ain't, and after all that investment it's legitimate to ask, "Why not?".

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Colorblind

Despite a plethora of green at FedEx Field on Monday, Redskins general counsel Dave Donovan said on WJFK that there was "hardly an Eagles fan" in the announced crowd of 88,241.

Haynesworth had a different take.

"The fans are losing interest," he said. "The more games we've played, the fewer the fans have come. It's getting bad."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/28/portis-offenses-woes-run-deep/?page=2

Ha! Ha! Ha! Donovan gives every other lawyer in the world a bad rep!

Also, I too, saw the DeAngelo interview where he repeated Portis' comments that the O-line depth wasn't addressed n the offseason. He also said there were guys who quit (specifically mentioning pass blockers--based on the number of times Campbell was hit).

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 29, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me offer this as grist for the mill:

-Zorn's tinkering with Campbell's mechanics have actually made him less accurate.

-Offseason noise about trading Campbell has destroyed his confidence in his abilities and he often takes the high percentage play instead of the go-for-the-gusto play.
Posted by: RedSkinHead

Good points....

-The woes on the offensive line have made him rush his passes, not step into them, and bail out on longer routes.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Reid: "Campbell is not a good fit for any version of the West Coast offense, according to some NFL talent evaluators, because of the quick decisions and precision throws the scheme requires of quarterbacks. I've heard that from guys I respect in the game, but I don't totally buy it. I mean, when the line was intact in the first half last season and Portis ran with a burst, Campbell sure seemed to be pretty good in this offense, especially during a four-game winning streak after a season-opening loss to the Giants."

The fact of the matter is that Z fooled the opponents' D in the first half of 2008 by using Gibbs O when they were expecting WCO. After they caught on and shut down Port-o-let and Moss he and the Skins were kaput. Why did he use Gibbs O? Stroke of genius? No. He used Gibbs O out of necessity because he was the only O coach that knew WCO. LMAO!

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"As for Zorn, we'll never really know what type of offensive coordinator and play-caller he could have been. With the roster's deficiencies on offense, he never really had a chance."

Zorn showed what type of HC/OC he could be with his poor game management, game planning, and play calling.

What does it say about Zorn when a guy who was given 2 weeks to learn an offense calls a better game?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the redskins should pass to setup the run just short slants or screens to those big recievers se what they can do maybe that will open up small holes. student body right to run behind.

Posted by: BJ921 | October 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I deeply hope you are wrong 4th and actually think you are wrong. I think snyder is gonna can vinny I really do.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2009 12:37 PM

When has Snyder followed the lead of the masses? Nev-a.

Cerrato is going to keep Zorn to show Snyder that Zorn is regressing the team. Will tell him they started 6-2 last yer off the fumes of Gibbs 2.4, CP26, and the OLine before it was devasted by injury. And that he didn't realize that zorn could be sooo stubborn and that he is actually undermining the team. And Snyder will agree.

I am starting to get that 'Cerrato is staying' twitch. Similar to when when Lisa was forced to pretand marry Screech in thier Home Ec. class.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

With that in mind, I think 7-9 or 8-8 would have been the worst thing to happen to this team for many reasons.


exactly, it would have been the same approach as last year, where the OL gets ignored. hopefully they'll be so bad this year, that there isn't any way they can ignore the ol...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:42 PM

Totally agree. While I hate watching them implode against rivals, the best thing that can happen is they don't win another game this year and Snyder finally gets it through his thick skull that we need a competent football person to run this team.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

exactly, it would have been the same approach as last year, where the OL gets ignored. hopefully they'll be so bad this year, that there isn't any way they can ignore the ol...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If we are sitting here a year from now having the same conversation about Vinny/the o-line being completely ignored, then the Redskins are truly f'd.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

-The woes on the offensive line have made him rush his passes, not step into them, and bail out on longer routes.


Posted by: jcnjcnj


QBs get hit every Sunday. If Campbell is worried about taking a few shots, then he should ask to be pulled from the game citing lack of pass protection and fear.

Since the likelihood of him doing this is zero perecent, he needs to ditch the "shook" mentality and just f'ing play the QB position.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 29, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And that he didn't realize that zorn could be sooo stubborn and that he is actually undermining the team. And Snyder will agree.
Posted by: 4thFloor |

Yes Zorn is full of himself thats why he feels he was doing a good job play calling and wouldn't let someone else try. He still feels that way. And that's why the 3 2nd rounders wasn't involved because Zorn is stubborn...He's gotz to go...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

... he needs to ditch the "shook" mentality and just f'ing play the QB position.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 29, 2009 1:58 PM |

He need repetoire of excuses for his resume when he be job hunting in 2010.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The sad part about all this is even if all our wished came true and Danny canned Vinny, hired a good GM and took himself out of the decision making process, we're still years away from actually contenting. We need some time to get the o-line in gear, still need to figure out if any of the second round picks will pan out, probably need another QB and who knows what else will fall apart during this time.

Vinny and Dan set this franchise back so many years, it's very hard to have a positive outlook on the future.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV...I mistakenly took credit for something redskinhead said..I was agreeing with redskinhead on the point about the mechanics etc...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is not a good fit for any version of the West Coast offense, according to some NFL talent evaluators, because of the quick decisions and precision throws the scheme requires of quarterbacks. I've heard that from guys I respect in the game, but I don't totally buy it. I mean, when the line was intact in the first half last season and Portis ran with a burst, Campbell sure seemed to be pretty good in this offense, especially during a four-game winning streak after a season-opening loss to the Giants.

By JReid

__________________________________________________

Prime Example of being 'In the Tank'. These beat reporters ALWAYS qoute sources. They ALWAYS use 'sources' to back up their argument. But, once they start bashing good guy Campbell, the one who undefeated Josh McDaniels didn't want, the one who Charley Casserly and Jaws pulled tape out to show bad decision making by being slow to pull the trigger and throw it down field, he now goes 'against the grain'.

Why? BEcause JC17 is one of his internal 'sources'? Because he is such a nice fellow? I don't get it. He just broke from consistency.

And lastly, he named Portis performing well and the OLine beasting out. If you have a fantastic running game and OLine, shouldn't the QB be good? For an example, please see Rypien, Mark; circa 1991.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

moose, the bills are starting 3 rooks on their o-line, so success is not that far off, IF, IF they can draft OL, with their first 2 draft picks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dave Donovan - Vinny Cerrato: Dan has a puppet for each hand. He is very good though. You can barely see his lips move when these guys speak...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 29, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Beantown

Now you are comming round to my line of thinking "total and final humilulation" is our only hope for a total overhall rebuild behind a solid Gm and coach... any success by our team over the next nine games will cause danny and vinny to think we are on the right path with the status quo making the football decisions....repeat after me "Total and final humilulation"...its our only hope....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 29, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The sad part about all this is even if all our wished came true and Danny canned Vinny, hired a good GM and took himself out of the decision making process, we're still years away from actually contenting. We need some time to get the o-line in gear, still need to figure out if any of the second round picks will pan out, probably need another QB and who knows what else will fall apart during this time.
Posted by: Moose33

I disagree..we can build a decent line through FA..anybody know who'll be a FA this off-season?..and I think mondays game shows that the trio can play if they're giving a chance...like letting DT11 return punts...throw a slant to MK12..and draft some stud OL to groom or put right in there...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Bean, yes but how far away are the bills from seriously contending? 2-3 years, maybe more? We don't even have rookie o-lineman to groom yet.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I deeply hope you are wrong 4th and actually think you are wrong. I think snyder is gonna can vinny I really do.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2009 12:37 PM

When has Snyder followed the lead of the masses? Nev-a.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 1:51 PM

I'm with CL on this one. Snyder wants to win, and it's pretty clear to everyone that he can't win with Vinny.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, jcnjcnj, you don't think Campbell's mechanics needed some adjusting?

Maybe it was the style in which he was coached. At least Campbell is coachable, I think guys like Vince Young and JaMarcus aren't.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 29, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

like with a drug addict, or alcoholic, you have to hit rock bottom, before you can start thinking about change....

we're getting close to rock bottom.

your thoughts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:25 PM

2-14 should do the trick.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 29, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

any success by our team over the next nine games will cause danny and vinny to think we are on the right path with the status quo making the football decisions....
Posted by: OriginalOldschool |

Oldschool...I think Danny has heard what he needs to hear and seen what he needs to see and Vinsanity will be canned no matter how the season ends unless we win it all...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this is a play off team waiting for the right overpaid rookie QB to save it.

We'll see that next year, if the games aren't blacked out.

Stay tuned for more of the vinnie and danny show!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's $ + No salary cap - vinny cerrato = championship

Seriously though, with an uncapped year and smart GM + HC combo and Snyder's money, I think they could rebuild faster than you give them credit for Moose.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Vinny's eyes?

Coke habit, anyone?

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 29, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Oalan4

"Our defense would have to be like the Steelers defense for this team to be a legit playoff threat. It ain't, and after all that investment it's legitimate to ask, "Why not?"."

Folks, we have to have a short 'chronic' break.

(INSERT image of bleary-eyed Moe passing around a funny looking cigarette.)

What the stillers defense did last year was the exception, not the rule.

Defenses like the bears '85 or the ravens 2000 or the bucs 2001-3 are rare, and there's no way to buy a big time defense just like there's no way to buy a big time offense.

The scheme and concepts those defenses featured were the end result of drafting, planning, scouting, and careful talent acquisition.

But those defenses worked because the offenses the teams put on the field, had good running games, and quarterbacks that managed games well.

You can attack an opposing offense better if your own offense has long drives, a strong running game, and can get the NFL minimum of 3 touchdowns and a field goal.

Ours can't, and thinking a great defense will score like a mediocre offense is at the core of the present redskin FO thinking.

The offense needs and off-season like the defense has had where planning, scheme, and players are all meshed together to present a cohesive unit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

not too mention, the bridge is burned, JC is gone, just accept it, after last offseason and this crap season there's no way he's coming back.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 29, 2009 1:15 PM |

Speaking of bridges, a 3 ton girder fell off the Bay Bridge into rush hour traffic and no one was injured. All I gots to say is "Phew!"

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

QBs get hit every Sunday. If Campbell is worried about taking a few shots, then he should ask to be pulled from the game citing lack of pass protection and fear.

Since the likelihood of him doing this is zero perecent, he needs to ditch the "shook" mentality and just f'ing play the QB position.

Posted by: RedDMV

I agree but not going to happen. He is snake bit. Campbell reminds me of Jay Schroeder after the shoulder injury: the guy was always rushing passes or bailing early - he was hearing footsteps. There's something else that Campbell lacks that I think plays into this. Some people call it pocket presence - maybe it is just having very good peripheral vision - whatever it is, Campbell doesn't have it. He has been blind-sided so many timesand never knew it was coming. (Remember that hit by Osi in the opener?) A thing like that shakes your confidence in your own abilities: you start to see ghosts on every play. Like I said, he's snake bit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I agree Campbell is coachable and thats always good and as far as mechanics...maybe it could have been fined tuned..but you have to be careful not to change the way a guy plays..Zorn would have change Rivers(SD) throwing motion as well and people say he's a pro bowl QB. Sometimes the technical stuff inhibits the natural way a player plays..thing that come natural are sometimes the best for you...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's $ + No salary cap - vinny cerrato = championship

Seriously though, with an uncapped year and smart GM + HC combo and Snyder's money, I think they could rebuild faster than you give them credit for Moose.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 2:14 PM

I hope so but you have to consider that with a new coach coming in and possibly a new QB (if it's a draft pick then the wait will be longer) and overhaluing the o-line, there is alot of turnover on the offensive side of the ball, not to mention yet another playbook and offensive scheme change. They will need time to be a cohesive unit.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

And that he didn't realize that zorn could be sooo stubborn and that he is actually undermining the team. And Snyder will agree.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 1:51 PM

Zorn is undermining the team? Adjust the tin foil hat, 4th...you're picking up interference from KCNA.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 29, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"we're getting close to rock bottom."

Redskins fans, me included, are getting close to rock bottom.

The Redskins ownership and management, however, has far, far, far to fall.

They could stock the team with 60-year-old ballerinas and move the team to LA, for example. With Danny and the Vinny, anything's possible.

Posted by: Meepo | October 29, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

2-14 should do the trick.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 29, 2009 2:12 PM |

Skins vs. Oak. Epic battle of execrable teams with execrable owners. Speaking of which, how long do you think it will be before the Skins get another MNF gig? Will Snyder still own the team? Heh, heh.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Browns owner Randy Lerner in response to a planned protest by the fans. An owner being "accountable." Huh?! Go figure.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/67176022.html

Posted by: 4-12 | October 29, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's $ + No salary cap - vinny cerrato = championship

Seriously though, with an uncapped year and smart GM + HC combo and Snyder's money, I think they could rebuild faster than you give them credit for Moose.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8
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There are plenty of other owners who will also be willing to spend quadrillions. Also, the key thing you said is "they could" - but they wont, because of Snyder. Everything he does is Wrong. He has the "Snyder touch" which is like the Midas touch except everything he touches either gets injured, fired, or drained of love for the game.

Posted by: REXskins | October 29, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Not defending Campbell, but I do subscribe to the Parcells theory that everything begins and ends in the trenches. His first draft as President of Football Operations with the Dolphins almost all they did was take offensive and defensive lineman -- in fact 6 of their picks were linemen. Combine that with some good RB's (Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown), and an above average, but not great, QB like Pennington, and 11-5 happened. So while JC won't ever take us to a Super Bowl, I think he could be the QB of a playoff team if the line was properly built around him...just my opinion...

Posted by: mattylight | October 29, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"With Portis's injury problems in the second half last season" Betts was the one who missed games, not Portis, get it straight! Isn't that your job, Mayor of?

"it would be hard to fairly evaluate any quarterback under those circumstances." here is a good point!

["You have to be able to protect your quarterback. That's one of the basic fundamentals of football," middle linebacker London Fletcher said.] Listen to someone who knows.

"Orakpo could be a perennial Pro Bowler once he is permitted to become a full-time rush end." This is a big leap, who'd b the LB then?

"when the line was intact in the first half last season and Portis ran with a burst" Portis had the burst on a 34 run vs. the Giants and a 78 yarder vs the Chiefs. RBs need lanes to run in Mayor.

"As for Zorn,...,he never really had a chance." True that. Nor did any other coach or player in the Snyder era.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

your thoughts...


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you completely, and it puts me in a real pickle: can't help but root for my team but kinda hope they have a horrendous record so they fire Cerrato(hands up in air mimicing the balancing of a scale).

Posted by: RomoShortball | October 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

boycott all redskin advertisers. all of them.

Posted by: californicationdude | October 29, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 29, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Who thought Rypien would ever lead a team to a Super Bowl?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

gonna can vinny I really do.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2009 12:37 PM

When has Snyder followed the lead of the masses? Nev-a.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 1:51 PM

I'm with CL on this one. Snyder wants to win, and it's pretty clear to everyone that he can't win with Vinny.

Posted by: League-Source |

Well, even if Snyder cans Vinny it all depends on (i) who the new GM is; (ii) what authority the new GM has; and (iii) what role Snyder has. I'd say there is about a 10% chance that Snyder gets it right.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

what a brilliant idea...look how browns fans are protesting!:


some Browns backers are encouraging fans to walk in late to the Nov. 16 home game against Baltimore.

Two longtime season-ticket holders came up with the idea after last Sunday's 31-3 loss to Green Bay.

They are hoping the temporarily empty seats for a nationally televised Monday night game will send a message to owner Randy Lerner that they want a better product on the field.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

brooklyn, can't access at work, what is it saying...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree this team could make a quick turnaround with an uncapped year. Easy get 3-5 quality O-lineman, hut-hut-hike,done

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Moe, FYI, I was talking about what the Steelers defense did last weekend, not last year.

Our team was built to win with defense, just like the Steelers.

Moe: "You can attack an opposing offense better if your own offense has long drives, a strong running game, and can get the NFL minimum of 3 touchdowns and a field goal."

Based on our scoring history, what makes anyone think this team was going to suddenly start scoring 3 TDs a game this year? Keep in mind, this short history covers 6 head coaches and 10 starting QBs--our scoring problem is nothing new:

2009: 13.7 pts/game
2008: 16.6 pts/game
2007: 20.0 pts/game
2006: 19.2 pts/game
2005: 22.4 pts/game
2004: 15.0 pts/game
2003: 17.9 pts/game
2002: 19.2 pts/game
2001: 16.0 pts/game
2000: 17.6 pts/game

I don't disagree with some aspects of what you're saying, but our defense was supposed to dominate this year and it hasn't. The offense wasn't going to make us a playoff team, the defense was. The defense should not be let off the hook just because they're holding toothless offenses under 20 points.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

pabrian

"Who thought Rypien would ever lead a team to a Super Bowl?"

Did Ryp led the skins to a Super Bowl or the '91 National Defense lead the team to the Super Bowl?

Stopping scoring and being able to score go hand in hand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

you know the most frustrating part about vinny vs. zorny is that F'ing vinny hired the facker! and no one at the presser pointed that out. but then again he's already excused himself from taking blame for hiring zorny by saying "danny and i hired zorny"....mother faaacker! suck elephant sthi!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

alan4

2009: 13.7 pts/game
2008: 16.6 pts/game
2007: 20.0 pts/game
2006: 19.2 pts/game
2005: 22.4 pts/game
2004: 15.0 pts/game
2003: 17.9 pts/game
2002: 19.2 pts/game
2001: 16.0 pts/game
2000: 17.6 pts/game


Wow!

This info by itself is enough to scare an onwer into changing how he does things.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

seems like Snyder is really the GM, so firing Vinny is step 1, step 2 is Snyder backing off or vice versa

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"You have to be able to protect your quarterback. That's one of the basic fundamentals of football," middle linebacker London Fletcher said.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:26 PM |

The finger pointing is starting to pick up mo:

1. Fletcher shti cans the O.
2. Port-o-let shti cans his blockers, Sellers in particular.
3. Cerrato shti cans everyone else. (It is a playoff caliber roster.)
4. Campbell shti cans the OL. (I'm gonna be sacked! I'm gonna be sacked!)
5. Z shti cans Lewis. (We changed play callers and gained nothing.)

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Who thought Rypien would ever lead a team to a Super Bowl?

no one.. that shows that a good line is the key to sucess...all JC needs is a good line...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Why cant we do this? Browns fans are going to protest

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4605603

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 29, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

alan4

2009: 13.7 pts/game
2008: 16.6 pts/game
2007: 20.0 pts/game
2006: 19.2 pts/game
2005: 22.4 pts/game
2004: 15.0 pts/game
2003: 17.9 pts/game
2002: 19.2 pts/game
2001: 16.0 pts/game
2000: 17.6 pts/game

Wow!

This info by itself is enough to scare an onwer into changing how he does things.

Posted by: MistaMoe

It also shows it isn't the current players or coaches fault!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of other owners who will also be willing to spend quadrillions. Also, the key thing you said is "they could" - but they wont, because of Snyder. Everything he does is Wrong. He has the "Snyder touch" which is like the Midas touch except everything he touches either gets injured, fired, or drained of love for the game.

Posted by: REXskins | October 29, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Rex, uncapped year doesn't mean a bidding war between 32 owners. Probably be about 8 owners in bidding war, the 2 richest being Danny and Jerry.

Anyway in an uncapped year, I could see the talent on the market being deep as some teams will cut quality players to save money.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

seriously guys, you need to stop comparing superbowl winning qb's with this idiot. it's very insulting to those winning qb's. please stop. we had a pretty good D and a pretty good O when skins were in the playoffs...this F'er was on the roster and the coach, hall of fame coach, who won 3 superbowls, DECIDED this F'er was no good. so PLEASE stop!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Who thought Rypien would ever lead a team to a Super Bowl?

no one.. that shows that a good line is the key to sucess...all JC needs is a good line...

Posted by: jcnjcnj

thank you for understanding my ppoint

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

pabrian

"Who thought Rypien would ever lead a team to a Super Bowl?"

Did Ryp led the skins to a Super Bowl or the '91 National Defense lead the team to the Super Bowl?

Stopping scoring and being able to score go hand in hand.

Posted by: MistaMoe

exactly, don't blame the QB or the D, when it is the mis-management of the offensive line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

bean, we're all thinking it. and just like a no-hitter in the 4th inning no one is talking about it. we're all hoping deep down so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't let tom cruise hear what your hopes are...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyway in an uncapped year, I could see the talent on the market being deep as some teams will cut quality players to save money.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 2:41 PM |

Skins should cut your boy Port-o-let but it won't save money and it won't make the "talent on the market" deep.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

changes on the o-line: put jones in at left tackle take rabach out and move montgomery to center put rinehart in (after 3 games he does not improve insert batiste who is a guard and NOT a tackle) leave williams at right tackle, use portis and the new running back they brought in and run a down hill power running game. If jones can stay healthy he is far better than heyer who is a bad football player, rabach is too weak and makes too many a-hole mistakes. with this I think the pass protection will improve and run game..I don't trust cerrato's knowledge in drafting o-lineman or anyone else for that matter.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 29, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Skins should cut your boy Port-o-let but it won't save money and it won't make the "talent on the market" deep.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Or they could pick up 3-5 good offensive linemen and protect their investment in Portis and who-ever is playing QB.

The only running back I can think of who might be able to succeed behind this o-line is Barry Sanders.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You gots to be adaptive. The 2010 draft is supposed to be QB rich, not so with OL. Take a page out of the Andy Reid book of coaching. He's a WCO dude, but he drafted DeSean Jack, who is def not a WCO WR. Why?

HORSEHOCKEY! Yeah maybe you should take a page out Reid's book dude? He went out and got 3 top offensive lineman in free agency during the last offseason to shore up his decaying offensive line. What did the Redskins do? Nada zilch. AND NOW you're asking the fans to wait another minimum 3 years for a rookie quarterback to develop? WITHOUT any semblance of an offensive line? Without any stable offense in place, coaches, system? No way you get a reasonably young healthy guy like David Carr and see what you can do behind a big, strong, YOUNG offensive line made up of high round draft picks dude. Period. End of the frickin' story. Comprende?

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

changes on the o-line: put jones in at left tackle ...

Posted by: wathu19 | October 29, 2009 2:48 PM |

Skins have the wrong Levi at LT. Should be Brown, not Jones. But with such commonly used names as these two it is understandable that there could be a mix up.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"The only running back I can think of who might be able to succeed behind this o-line is Barry Sanders."

Thing is, the present ownership runs things like they were trained by Colonel Sanders.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The only running back I can think of who might be able to succeed behind this o-line is Barry Sanders.

Gale Sayers, kind of the Darrell Green of running backs could, and did. And that is also why his career was cut drastically short. Is that what you numbnuts want? Draft a stud running back only to watch him get the life crushed out of him because he has no blocking?

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

My guess at this point is that you will see the hardest worker, the most motivated of the "projects" at Left Tackle before too long: Mike Williams. Jones moves to right tackle. Heyer will probably end up at guard doing the swing-man thang.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Rex, uncapped year doesn't mean a bidding war between 32 owners. Probably be about 8 owners in bidding war, the 2 richest being Danny and Jerry.

Anyway in an uncapped year, I could see the talent on the market being deep as some teams will cut quality players to save money.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8
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So you're saying we're going to get the chance to bid against other owners for veteran "talent" that other teams no longer wish to hold on to?

Now I'm feeling REALLY optimistic! And maybe a little nostalgic...

Posted by: REXskins | October 29, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Again, Cerrato is not the problem, he is a symptom. Snyder is the problem. No matter who you get to replace Cerrato Snyder will stil be there acting like he actually knows something, making decisions. It won't work to fire the guy.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Did Ryp led the skins to a Super Bowl or the '91 National Defense lead the team to the Super Bowl?
Stopping scoring and being able to score go hand in hand.
Posted by: MistaMoe
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Rypien did... Look at his stats that year.. he was great. Meanwhile a solid defense doesn't seem to help Campbell any. People say it's the system but let's be honest he wasn't that good when Gibbs was HC either.. I'll be so happy when he and that blank stare of his are GONE!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah maybe you should take a page out Reid's book dude? He went out and got 3 top offensive lineman in free agency during the last offseason to shore up his decaying offensive line. ...

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:51 PM |

Besides being a boor and a bore you are also a dumb basterd. Petey was acquired from the Bills in a trade, not through FA. If you are going to tee off on peeps you should at least get your facts straight.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

portispockets

"... in an uncapped year, I could see the talent on the market being deep as some teams will cut quality players to save money...."


Who cuts quality players to save money?

NFL teams are so loaded with caash, they'll re-up their quality players, and dump anyone in a bad deal or not playing up to his last deal.

For the skins, the following players should be cut, and/or released:


F. Smoot
C. Portis
R. Thomas
C. Rabach
M. Sellars
P. Daniels
S. Heyer
C. Rhinehart
M. Kelly
R. Cartwright
L. Betts
C. Samuels
A. Carter
A. Randle El
A. Baptiste
W. Montegomery


Losing these players--and not gaining some other team's dregs-- is the singular satisfaction redskins fans should hope for out of an 'uncapped year'.

The word is 'turnover'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Kind of an off-the-wall question, but with all the needs we have going into this offseason, would it make sense to try to trade AH? His play IMO hasn't hurt his stock much this season -- evidenced by how well Andre Carter is playing -- and I'm sure a few teams would be interested. If we could get a 1st round pick, I would think about it. Might get lucky too, in case the dude breaks down next year -- never has played a full 16 games anyway...

Just throwing that out there for discussion...

Posted by: mattylight | October 29, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So what are you all going to do on Sunday with no Skins game ?

Posted by: joevick | October 29, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Did Ryp led the skins to a Super Bowl or the '91 National Defense lead the team to the Super Bowl?
Stopping scoring and being able to score go hand in hand.
Posted by: MistaMoe
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Rypien did... Look at his stats that year.. he was great. Meanwhile a solid defense doesn't seem to help Campbell any. People say it's the system but let's be honest he wasn't that good when Gibbs was HC either.. I'll be so happy when he and that blank stare of his are GOne!

yes, but did anyone think before or after that one season that Rypien was a great QB?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Who cuts quality players to save money?"

Who would think Derek Anderson would still be the starting QB in Cleveland? Brady Quinn is riding the bench just to save them 5 mil.

I'm not suggesting it will be every team but I think some small market teams will be looking to cut costs.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

So what are you all going to do on Sunday with no Skins game ?

Posted by: joevick | October 29, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Get through the day without the fear of complete humiliation and ridicule.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Try to find all the sharp objects I've had to hide over the past few weekends...

________________________________________________________

So what are you all going to do on Sunday with no Skins game ?

Posted by: joevick | October 29, 2009 3:10 PM |

Posted by: TimDz | October 29, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

One guy wants to cut Andre Carter, the next references how well he is playing. Have to agree with the latter. Why would you cut a guy with 6.5 sacks in 7 games?

The offensive line and JC all have to be sent packing. Dockery can be kept but the rest should be gone. Haynesworth is a good player but the sensible thing last year would have been to sign Jason Brown or Jake Grove to replace Rabach and draft Oher. Just about every Redskins fan clamored for that. Cerratto/Snyder as personnel people are a complete failure. I hope they both rot in hell for ruining this franchise.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 29, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Besides being a boor and a bore you are also a dumb basterd. Petey was acquired from the Bills in a trade, not through FA. If you are going to tee off on peeps you should at least get your facts straight.

Yeah, well beside being a jerk-off and a cretin go paint your bald spot dude. Peters wanted out of Buffalo, he had replaced Mike Williams in Buffalo at left tackle. Okay, so Reid did something even worst. He actually traded draft picks and HIGH ONES to put together a good strong offensive line. It reinforces my point even more. Reid is not going to draft a QB that easily. Otherwise he would have spent a 1st to bring in McNabb's replacement. Look at how he is using Vick? I am not the one who claimed that Reid, Mr. WCO, would draft a QB over critically needed OL now am I?

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The scheme and concepts those defenses featured were the end result of drafting, planning, scouting, and careful talent acquisition.

The best defenses start with a stellar defensive backfield along with a run stuffing defensive line and linebackers. NOT, I repeat NOT with the 'beastly' pass rush. You will see pass rushing specialists who cannot stop the run or are too small to do so riding the bench waiting for situations where they fit. This is Petitbone's "plans" This is "Grilliams" plan. This is what real defenses do. Look at the Saints, who should be the Skins?

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

tell us something we didn't know mayor...

http://www.thehungrygeographer.com/

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | October 29, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"So what are you all going to do on Sunday with no Skins game?"

November in Florida means I'll have grass to cut.

Flowers to plant.

It'll be bright and sunny all day.

I'll sweep the garage and chat up my neighbors.

I'll go out and pick a few tangelos off my tree and read the Sunday paper while eating them.

I'll laugh at the poor folks up North freezing their tails off and buying overpriced heating oil.

A nice bike ride will be in order.

Then, I'll turn to the Sunday Ticket for comfort and watch real football teams pass, pass, and kick---and win.

And eventually, out of frustration, out of jealous rage, I'll set myself on fire and run down the street
screaming, "Vinnnnnnnnnnnnnny!!!!!"

Well, at least it'll be sunny and warm.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

your thoughts...
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009

You still have that much faith that Snyder will see the light, Bean? I don't. He will never change.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

My guess at this point is that you will see the hardest worker, the most motivated of the "projects" at Left Tackle before too long: Mike Williams. Jones moves to right tackle. Heyer will probably end up at guard doing the swing-man thang.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse
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Heyer is to slow even for a guard. He's late firing off the ball, and he still can't line up, his splits are sometimes too wide and in run blocking they're too narrow. He doesn't get or understand how much leverage is part of his game, and if used correctly could be his best friend.

Buges should resort to the shackles my high school coach used on our linemen. He may pan out as a center, they should try him there.

Posted by: clark202 | October 29, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"The 2010 draft is supposed to be QB rich, not so with OL. Take a page out of the Andy Reid book of coaching. He's a WCO dude, but he drafted DeSean Jack, who is def not a WCO WR. Why? Because Andy knew that he could adapt his O to fit Jack's unique talent/skill set and Jack was the best WR out there. Coitainly better than DT and FD, who were snatched up by our suckjob GM when Jack was sitting there for the taking.Posted by: MrPink"

Problem with this sort of reasoning is that so many others passed on DeSean as well. He was the 49th pick. Even Andy Reid passed on him for Trevor Laws, another in a succession of DL that Reid has drafted, with mixed results. I think it's reasonable to argue that Reid is about as surprised by Jackson's success as the rest of the league. Like Eddie Royal, he's simply outperformed expectations.

Philly may have gone back to the well this past season to draft Jeremy Maclin, who's coming along more slowly.


Posted by: Samson151 | October 29, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

portispockets

"... in an uncapped year, I could see the talent on the market being deep as some teams will cut quality players to save money...."


Who cuts quality players to save money?

NFL teams are so loaded with caash, they'll re-up their quality players, and dump anyone in a bad deal or not playing up to his last deal.

For the skins, the following players should be cut, and/or released:


F. Smoot-- yes, barnes and tryon are in place

C. Portis-- definitely... all he does is complain and his best days are behind him...

R. Thomas-- doneski
C. Rabach-- yes, edwin williams could start right now...

M. Sellars-- keep

P. Daniels-- retire and now is complaining about playing time when he is hurt and jarmon and orakpo are cruching it..

S. Heyer-- done

C. Rhinehart-- bust

M. Kelly-- keep

R. Cartwright-- keep

L. Betts-- done

C. Samuels-- keep

A. Carter-- maybe

A. Randle El-- definitely cut

A. Baptiste-- cut

W. Montegomery-- cut..


Losing these players--and not gaining some other team's dregs-- is the singular satisfaction redskins fans should hope for out of an 'uncapped year'.

The word is 'turnover'.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | October 29, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"It'll be bright and sunny all day.

I'll sweep the garage and chat up my neighbors.

I'll go out and pick a few tangelos off my tree and read the Sunday paper while eating them.

I'll laugh at the poor folks up North freezing their tails off and buying overpriced heating oil.

A nice bike ride will be in order"

I hope your flowers die, the paperboy throws the paper in the thorns, your tangello has 1/2 a worm after youve taken a bite, and your bike gets a flat......not bitter at all...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of o-line reminded me of the time LaVar destroyed some giants o-lineman on the first play of the game after he came back from injury...don't know why. Anyone have a clip? Can't find on youtube.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 29, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 29, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

F lebron james and the rest of the cleveland cavaliers

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

beantown

LOL!!!!

But it will be warm.

It's been about 80-90 degrees all week here in Palm Beach County.

That's why we grow so many good football players.

Pierre Garcon (Lake Worth) looks like the next local kid to grow up before our eyes.

And y'all already know about Santonio Holmes, Vince Wilfork, Fred Taylor, Randy Phillips, Devin Hester, etc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is undermining the team? Adjust the tin foil hat, 4th...you're picking up interference from KCNA.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 29, 2009 2:20 PM

4-12...You're starting to be like Chris LaRrY. Reread what I said please.

Apology accepted in advance, thanks!

(I was speaking from the Vinnie perspective in order to keep his job, how he would frame the argument)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

""The 2010 draft is supposed to be QB rich, not so with OL."

IMO not the case. There are a lot of QBs out there, but most of them look like second or third rounders in other years. And three of the offensive linemen look very promising: Russell Okung of Okla State, Trent Williams of OU, and Brian Bulaga of Iowa.

I'm guessing one of those O-linemen will go Top Ten and the other two later in the first round. With Bradford under scrutiny and Jevan Snead failing to wow scouts, it's possible that no QBs will go in the first six.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 29, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"It's been about 80-90 degrees all week here in Palm Beach County"

May your neighbor fling his dog feces into your yard...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

who needs heating oil, I will just take the last 10 years of redskin paraphenial (SP?) and burn it,that should last to spring,

Posted by: connskins | October 29, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

As you have pointed out -- the Redskins did not invest in the O-line during the off-season and are now suffering for it. I would love to see a breakdown of which offensive lineman in the league were drafted last year -- including their draft position. Obviously a starting O-line star may require a high pick -- but what about all of the less heralded offensive lineman that are currently playing well?

Posted by: lyricist1020 | October 29, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm with CL on this one. Snyder wants to win, and it's pretty clear to everyone that he can't win with Vinny.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 2:10 PM

And you know this because of your personal conversations with Snyder? You are the League 'Source', so should I book it?

Who here has guessed Snyder's move since he started? I doubt any one has, save for Spurrier.

The fact of the matter is no one knows what Snyder will do. He seems like a fellow who will go the OPPOSITE of what everyone is saying.

More than likely, he'll fire Vinny. But I don't see this is an absolute based on history....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

What do you think about the Redskins drafting Sean Spence (MLB Miami) in the second? I don't catch many Miami games but from what I've seen it looks like dude can play.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

RE: Sean Spence, nevermind he's a sophomore, probably not entering draft this year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Above all Snyder wants to play with his team. Sally Jenkins and others get this. If winning means he gets zero running Redskins football operations, he's not up for that, sorry.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I think what fans now grasp is that owning the Redskins has always been about Dan Snyder's self-gratification and not about building a strong organization for the future. Although getting to the Super Bowl would be immensely gratifying, the work getting there obviously isn't.

The irony here is that football is the ultimate team sport. The community loves and supports the team because as a representation of its identity. Under Snyder this is exposed as a contradiction. The team is now antithetical to the community and exists solely as an expression of the owner.

Now it is 100% up to the fans now to reassert the natural order of this relationship, by engaging in a multi-year campaign to force Snyder to relinquish the team though an organized boycott of the Redskins business. Not only will the Redskins benefit, but so will the Nats, Caps, and Wizards.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow - just wow, Pepper - excellent insight

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"It's been about 80-90 degrees all week here in Palm Beach County"

Oh gee. Moe, Moe, Moe. Around here the temp rarely ever gets above 80, rarely below 50. If the temps do happen to rise an amazing cloud bank from the marine layer comes in to chill things right down. Unlike your waters, ours are teeming with life. Yes, its colder, but there is more life in cold water. And so every type of seal known considers our beaches its home, including the elephant seal, except one, the walrus. The kelp beds often float in teeming with food for massive schools of fish. The fish are in turn hunted by packs of dolphins, seals, and literally thousands of diving pelicans. Yep, can see all of this right out my window Moe. Plus, the "western rock of gibraltar" a short jog out into the ocean on the leeward side. Waves can get pretty robust here aided by the volcanic debris scattered throughout. The "Rock" used to be gigantic volcano now extinct. Lots of great surfing if that is your inclination. Harley and foot-pealing.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Not only will the Redskins benefit, but so will the Nats,

Forza errrr GO Nats, and Syracuse Chiefs ... :)

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Thx Pepper...That's what I'm saying about Vinny.

Vinny's demise is not sealed one bit. And if it were, the next guy will be just another Vinny....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 29, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Jason will you for God's sake stop excusing Campbell's horrible play on the fact that he has had to go through different systems. I guess the University of Delaware and the Ravens run the same system and The Atlanta Falcons and Boston College run the same systems becuase according to you if Flacco and Ryan were in new systems they would not play well. Open your eyes idiot, Campbell is never going to be a starter after this year. He has been in the league for five years and is still fumbling, stumbling, and looking like a deer caught in the headlights. You mentioned him against Dallas, remember when we driving down the field to score a game winning touchdown or FG and he rolled out and threw an interception in the last two minutes? Bottom line is, look at his record as a starter. Doc Walker said it last night on Redskins Nation. "At some point Jason has got to make plays, he is not doing that." he has not made plays because he can't.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | October 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Now it is 100% up to the fans now to reassert the natural order of this relationship, by engaging in a multi-year campaign to force Snyder to relinquish the team though an organized boycott of the Redskins business. Not only will the Redskins benefit, but so will the Nats, Caps, and Wizards.
Posted by: Pepper5
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One problem with this idea.. If fans are successful enough where the Redskins lose money all Snyder has to do is move the team.. I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A. I'm sure Washington could keep the name Redskins (like the Cleveland kept Browns) but who knows when or if we get a new team again...

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Pepper - I completely agree. I sense that Snyder's ego is so big that it can't fit into Redskin stadium. I give him credit for squeezing every penny he can from the team, but he needs to realize that he doesn't know anything about football and leave that to folks that do. I just don't get why he can't see that! He'd make so much more and get the "love" he so desperately craves.

Posted by: MississippiSkinsFan | October 29, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"I don't catch many Miami games but from what I've seen it looks like dude can play."


Some college programs produce players I'd always take a chance on.

Miami is one of them.

Florida is another.

Georgia, Tennessee, and USC also are on that list.

Cal, Oregon State, Boston College, and 'Bama are in that house as well.

We are selective about Criminoles, Lions, Longhorns, and Sooners.

This year, we're high on Tigers: CJ Spiller/Jacoby Ford.

Either one would be a nice replacement or supplement as a speed guy who serves dual roles.

I have to go now: my neighbor is flinging dog feces into my yard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah if you can listen to the WaPo podcast, I don't agree with everything she says but Jenkins nailed Dan Snyder -- perfectly.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm no pyschoanalyst but I swear the love he craves is not ours, it's actually the football players. I think Riggo has commented on this.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I have to go now: my neighbor is flinging dog feces into my yard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Why would Moe need to see seals and Pelicans when he has a view of the rare "flying Fecal matter"? The rarest of all birds.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 29, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"One problem with this [boycott] idea.. If fans are successful enough where the Redskins lose money all Snyder has to do is move the team.. I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A. I'm sure Washington could keep the name Redskins (like the Cleveland kept Browns) but who knows when or if we get a new team again..."

Posted by: sovine08

You may be right. But I still think that Snyder leaving for LA forcing us to wait for another team is preferable and leads to a better outcome faster as long as we do the boycott with dignity.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh gee. Moe, Moe, Moe. Around here the temp rarely ever gets above 80, rarely below 50. If the temps do happen to rise an amazing cloud bank from the marine layer comes in to chill things right down. Unlike your waters, ours are teeming with life. Yes, its colder, but there is more life in cold water. And so every type of seal known considers our beaches its home, including the elephant seal, except one, the walrus. The kelp beds often float in teeming with food for massive schools of fish. The fish are in turn hunted by packs of dolphins, seals, and literally thousands of diving pelicans. Yep, can see all of this right out my window Moe. Plus, the "western rock of gibraltar" a short jog out into the ocean on the leeward side. Waves can get pretty robust here aided by the volcanic debris scattered throughout. The "Rock" used to be gigantic volcano now extinct. Lots of great surfing if that is your inclination. Harley and foot-pealing.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Periculum is really just sitting on a couch in his mom's basement watching Planet Earth.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

People blame Campbell for holding the ball too long, being "slow" with his release, decision making, etc. But considering the fact that 1. He has a practice-squad O-line to protect him against aggressive NFL caliber defenses and 2. The trust factor he must have for his receivers— aside from Cooley and Moss— has to be pretty limited (Tom Brady can throw to a spot and be 100% confident his receiver is going to be where he needs to be), I don't know that it is fair to blame him to the extent that people have. If you think about it, for what he has to work with, his QB rating is not terrible. He is definitely more of a Gibbs QB than a West Coast one (his focus on not throwing the pick is an indicator of that), but he is by no means a Jamarcus Russell.

Posted by: cgaquitaine | October 29, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

yes, but did anyone think before or after that one season that Rypien was a great QB?
Posted by: pabrian2003
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You tell me... "Rypien in his first full year as a starter threw for 3,768 yards with 22 touchdowns. He also gained his first Pro Bowl berth, albeit as an injury replacement. Rypien was best known for his accuracy as a deep passer, developing an incredible sense of timing with receivers downfield. According to former head coach Joe Gibbs, "Rypien's sideline throws would wobble and didn't look all that pretty. But that man could seriously throw the deep stuff." A 1992 Sport Magazine article touted him as one of the best deep passers ever." Now his numbers dropped the season after the Super Bowl but Skins still made the playoffs.. the year after he got hurt. So was Rypien a great QB?? well he won't be voted in the Hall of fame.. but he was a solid QB for the Redskins who in 1991 had one of the best seasons any Redskin QB ever had... "Rypien threw for 3,564 yards and 28 touchdowns with 11 interceptions, leading the Redskins to Super Bowl XXVI after recording a 14-2 regular season record. He was named the MVP (Most Valuable Player) of the game, passing for 292 yards and 2 touchdowns leading his team to a 37-24 win over the Buffalo Bills. Rypien was named to the Pro Bowl in both 1989 and 1991."

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Periculum is really just sitting on a couch in his mom's basement watching Planet Earth.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he needs to see the episode on Coral Reefs, then he would realize that there is a large amount of life that inhabits those areas as well. They account for around 1% of the Ocean, but hold 25% of all marine life, and looking at Coral Reef locations, there appears to be a good amount of reef areas surrounding Florida.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 29, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Periculum is lucky though that he doesnt have to get on a boat to see it. That is the ultimate plus.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 29, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You may be right. But I still think that Snyder leaving for LA forcing us to wait for another team is preferable and leads to a better outcome faster as long as we do the boycott with dignity.
Posted by: Pepper5
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Not sure about that.. I mean how long was it between when the Senators moved to Texas to when Washington got the Nationals??

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

We all know you love you some Jason Campbell MattyLight...

you just cant let go

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A.

Posted by: sovine08

B. S. Every team that tried to make money in LA lost money and moved out. If Snyder were stupid enough to follow them to LA, there would be six other teams that would try to move to DC. This is where the money comes from.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

vinny didn't even pronounce Randy Thomas's name correctly in his short presser -- referring to him as Randy Thomason --- what an idiot, vinny that is!

Posted by: bestmick1 | October 29, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A.

Posted by: sovine08

Doubt it. Danny would have to put up close to 1 billion in his own $ to get a stadium built there.

That is a lot of risk to take to move a franchise where you already make a lot of money.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 29, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

it was over 30 years before Washington got a baseball team

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@ Sovine

Those we're different times and a MLB is a different animal.

It's hard for me to imagine the NFL ignoring a top five media market with the second-largest professional football stadium being denied a franchise for long -- but I suppose one should never underestimate owners solidarity. Still I think in the end $$ trumps all, and my guess to boot is that a lot of them detest Snyder too.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A.

Posted by: sovine08

By the way, it's not like the people in LA want to spend their money to see a team with a 2-14 record run by an arrogant pr1ck who sues the season ticket holders, won't hire professional management, and fights with everyone who doesn't give him his way.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

it was over 30 years before Washington got a baseball team

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2009 4:59 PM

30 years and counting. They still haven't fielded one. Stadium, yes. Baseball team, no.

Posted by: League-Source | October 29, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

snyder not moving team to la, and if that doomsday scenario comes, it means its gotten so bad that divorce is needed....but again aint happenin'

sovine great defense of rypien...f rypien haters.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

sovine08, you left out some comments about Rypien in your quotes from 1992. Here are some earlier comments:

Steve Butchcock (Redskins Journal): " Mark [Rypien] does have a tendency to fumble when sacked. He will throw a bad interception when there's no reason to throw the ball. And he hasn't taken the team to the playoffs."

Petersons Preview '90: "Fumbling quarterback Mark Rypien reminded no one of Sonny Jurgensen..."

These comments were made in 1990, when Mark Rypien was 28 years old, in his 4th season under a HOF coach with the Skins and throwing to HOF WR Art Monk, along with Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

snyder not moving team to la, and if that doomsday scenario comes, it means its gotten so bad that divorce is needed....but again aint happenin'

sovine great defense of rypien...f rypien haters.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2009 5:13 PM

Can we just refer to it as "the nuclear option?"

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Why is Snyder such a non-starter as a football man? The first and obvious answer to that question is that he has no previous life experience in football except as a fan. This begs the question of whether ten years' on-the-job training has provided Snyder valuable tools; can't he learn? The answer is of course, no.

Countless examples show that building a winning NFL organization is a slow, even boring process, involving unglamorous trade-offs and painful sacrifices for the possibility of future long-term success. It's about getting hard-won details right and delaying gratification.

Yet looking at the last two years (and further back) it's difficult to come up with an example where such principles were behind a single decision in Ashburn. Trading down in 2008? Yes, but then the picks got wasted on flash in the pan.

Consider what Jeff George, Steve Spurrier, and even Jim Zorn represent in the NFL. Lot's of razzle/dazzle, passing, "greatest show on turf" type stuff. In most cases, it's s pretty hard to win with that notion lodged deep in your appreciation of professional football.

The other critical part of this is simply Dan Snyder's leadership style. You don't fly players around in private jets for dinner or pal around with them or the head coach. What Vinny said last week on the radio about Zorn and Jarmon hanging out at Snyder's luxurious home in Aspen, having gourmet meals, etc., it all demonstrates ultra poor judgment.


Posted by: Pepper5 | October 29, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but I agree with CL - ain't no way that little Danny picks up his ball and moves - he's very tied to the D.C. area - and I don't think he'll stop making money with the Redskins; he just won't make it from us, nor will he make as much.

Yet, it won't take much to get the D.C. populace to the point that Houston was when the Oilers left; it was basically, fine Bud Adams, fine, just move already; don't let the door hit you...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 29, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Just read an article about the fans in Cleveland planning a protest of the Browns this sunday. They're planning to boycott the kickoff to send a messege to the ownership that they're tired of losing and they need to make changes asap. Not a bad idea only I say we do it for the entire first half atleast and no-one make any purchases inside the stadium from any of Danny's high priced vendors.

Posted by: cee_212002 | October 29, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

For the skins, the following players should be cut, and/or released:


F. Smoot
C. Portis
R. Thomas
C. Rabach
M. Sellars
P. Daniels
S. Heyer
C. Rhinehart
M. Kelly
R. Cartwright
L. Betts
C. Samuels
A. Carter
A. Randle El
A. Baptiste
W. Montegomery


Losing these players--and not gaining some other team's dregs-- is the singular satisfaction redskins fans should hope for out of an 'uncapped year'.

The word is 'turnover'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 29, 2009 3:03 PM
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Cut a few more and make the remaining guys play both ways. We'll be a winner for sure then.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 29, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Steve Butchcock (Redskins Journal): " Mark [Rypien] does have a tendency to fumble when sacked. He will throw a bad interception when there's no reason to throw the ball. And he hasn't taken the team to the playoffs."

Petersons Preview '90: "Fumbling quarterback Mark Rypien reminded no one of Sonny Jurgensen..."

These comments were made in 1990, when Mark Rypien was 28 years old, in his 4th season under a HOF coach with the Skins and throwing to HOF WR Art Monk, along with Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders.
Posted by: Alan4
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In 1988 his first year he PLAYED he threw 18TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 85.2 1989 22TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 88.1. Now he had a drop in 1990 16TDS and 11INTS QB rating 78.4 So I guess that's when these guys gave up on Rypien. Well in 1991 Rypien was the MVP in the Super Bowl.. shows you how little these idiots knew...

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

we're getting close to rock bottom.

your thoughts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I think we have to look up to see rock bottom.

Posted by: TheCork | October 29, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

In 1988 his first year he PLAYED he threw 18TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 85.2 1989 22TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 88.1. Now he had a drop in 1990 16TDS and 11INTS QB rating 78.4 So I guess that's when these guys gave up on Rypien. Well in 1991 Rypien was the MVP in the Super Bowl.. shows you how little these idiots knew...


Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 5:57 PM

Don't forget the fumbles... and the lesson learned is don't give up on a decent QB, protect 'em.

Gibbs stuck with Rypien in 1989 after 7 games, when Ryp had 11 fumbles. He had 5 fumbles and 3 INTs in ONE game. Fans wanted him BENCHED, and were clamoring for the backup. I remember it well.

Here's a good link Gibbs' frustration and reaction to all the turnovers.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Those we're different times and a MLB is a different animal. It's hard for me to imagine the NFL ignoring a top five media market with the second-largest professional football stadium being denied a franchise for long -- but I suppose one should never underestimate owners solidarity. Still I think in the end $$ trumps all, and my guess to boot is that a lot of them detest Snyder too.
Posted by: Pepper5
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Perhaps but it's been hard for the NFL to get a team back to LA.. (a top 2 media market). Thing is I don't think the NFL wants to expand again so IF the Skins were to move not sure finding another team that wants to move would be that easy.. and besides do you really want to root for the Washington Jaguars?? (cause not sure any team would want the headache of changing there name to Redskins either) But it's a moot point anyway since I doubt there will be a boycott big enough that Syder actually loses money.. What we can hope for is Snyder finally realizing he needs a football guy running this team.. that is something that could happen.

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It was mostly Campbell's fault. The Eagles blitzing had him completely befuddled and bamboozled. Campbell gave the tired "dear in the headlights" cliche new life

Posted by: Mr. Pink

How do you expect the QB to perform when he's sacked six times, rushed and hit more often than that and the three coaches calling the plays aren't on the same page with him or each other.

Sometimes Sherm Lewis was calling a run block scheme, and the other Sherm was calling for a pass play, and Zorn sent in the wrong personnel for either.

I don't see JC as a WCO quarterback, but believe me there is not way to assign most of the blame to a player when the coaches are utterly screwed up.

It's not "mostly" Campbell's fault unless he went to Vinny and said "whatever you do, don't get me an even marginally competent line," and a couple years back told Snyder to give Portis a lifetime contract so he can't be replaced when he's as ineffective as he is now.

Posted by: TheCork | October 29, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

QBs get hit every Sunday. If Campbell is worried about taking a few shots, then he should ask to be pulled from the game citing lack of pass protection and fear.

Since the likelihood of him doing this is zero perecent, he needs to ditch the "shook" mentality and just f'ing play the QB position.

Posted by: RedDMV

You're like the Tomato Can's manager who excoriates him between rounds for not putting up a better fight,. "We have to get out there and take the fight to him!" he'll say. Meanwhile his Pug is getting his features rearranged.

Sure, QB's get hit. A sack and a couple a hurries a game is a LOT different from six sacks and rushed all night due to incompetent offense and incompetent blockers.

Don't forget. The "no linemen" approach ruined ONE top draft choice for the Redskins, Patrick Ramsey.

Old guys like Brunell were smart. They ran like hell for the sidelines and threw the ball to the idiots who called the play before they got hit.

The skins at least need a guy with SOME escapability back there. And four new starting OLMEN.

Posted by: TheCork | October 29, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Besides being a boor and a bore you are also a dumb basterd. Petey was acquired from the Bills in a trade, not through FA. If you are going to tee off on peeps you should at least get your facts straight.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 3:00 PM |

Yeah, well beside being a jerk-off and a cretin go paint your bald spot dude. Peters wanted out of Buffalo, he had replaced Mike Williams in Buffalo at left tackle. Okay, so Reid did something even worst. He actually traded draft picks and HIGH ONES to put together a good strong offensive line. It reinforces my point even more.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 3:17 PM |

You are doing a good job of convincing us what a dumb shti you are. The Eagles stole Petey from the Bills. Even OL-phobic Vinny would have jumped at the chance to acquire an elite OT in the prime of his career for the 28th pick in the draft.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A.

Posted by: sovine08

By the way, it's not like the people in LA want to spend their money to see a team with a 2-14 record run by an arrogant pr1ck who sues the season ticket holders, won't hire professional management, and fights with everyone who doesn't give him his way.

Posted by: League-Source


Congress will allow professional football leave DC when they allow civilians to park in th Congressional parking lot at Reagan Airport.

What worries me, is the Redskins may not qualify as a professional football team.

Posted by: TheCork | October 29, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

One veteran set of coaching eyes told PFW that he has noticed Campbell in full-on checkdown mode, ignoring deep receivers who end up running the equivalent of clear-out routes, since the beginning of the season. Defenses have caught on. The Eagles were not worried about the deep ball at all, blitzing often and leaving their corners in single coverage, sometimes with zero safety help.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

One veteran set of coaching eyes told PFW that he has noticed Campbell in full-on checkdown mode, ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 29, 2009 6:35 PM |

It is more like the dude is in full-on CYA mode.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I still don't know why many insist that JC can be a franchise QB, when football players have said he holds the ball too long, misses too many open receivers and doesn't trust what he sees. This is when he has protection.

I've seen enough of the Jason Campbell show.

As fans we get sympathetic and want people to be more than they are.

I WANT A QB THAT CAN LEAD US DOWN THE FIELD, WHO'S NOT AFRAID TO THROW OUT OF HIS OWN END ZONE, WHO'S NOT AFRAID TO LET IT FLY DURING A BLITZ.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 29, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I think we should offer the raiders campbell, he's not part of the plan, we know it, he knows it and the two idiots know it. the raiders want a rocket arm who can stretch it and maybe they'll give us like a second or a second and fourth or something, just reaching!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | October 29, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, Nellie! What happened to an hour and a half of postings?

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: all_star_0013 | October 29, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

... the raiders want a rocket arm who can stretch it and maybe they'll give us like a second or a second and fourth or something, just reaching!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | October 29, 2009 6:46 PM |

Hey, I don't think even senile Al would take that bait. They already have one QB with a million dollar arm and a ten cent head. Why would they want another?

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

In 1988 his first year he PLAYED he threw 18TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 85.2 1989 22TDS and 13INTS QB rating of 88.1. Now he had a drop in 1990 16TDS and 11INTS QB rating 78.4 So I guess that's when these guys gave up on Rypien. Well in 1991 Rypien was the MVP in the Super Bowl.. shows you how little these idiots knew...


Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 5:57 PM

Don't forget the fumbles... and the lesson learned is don't give up on a decent QB, protect 'em.

Gibbs stuck with Rypien in 1989 after 7 games, when Ryp had 11 fumbles. He had 5 fumbles and 3 INTs in ONE game. Fans wanted him BENCHED, and were clamoring for the backup. I remember it well.

Here's a good link Gibbs' frustration and reaction to all the turnovers.


Posted by: Alan4


Lessons to be learned for all.........

Posted by: dcwun | October 29, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Why can't u judge a book by its cover? Campbell looks like a kid lost in the woods while McN, Brees, Rivers, Brady, etc. have the look of do-it-all maestros.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the fumbles... and the lesson learned is don't give up on a decent QB, protect 'em. Gibbs stuck with Rypien in 1989 after 7 games, when Ryp had 11 fumbles. He had 5 fumbles and 3 INTs in ONE game. Fans wanted him BENCHED, and were clamoring for the backup. I remember it well.
Posted by: Alan4
Lessons to be learned for all.........
Posted by: dcwun
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Yeah difference is Campbell is not a decent QB.. This is Campbell's 4th year playing in Rypien's 4th year he threw 28 TD's took the Skins to the Super Bowl and made the Pro Bowl. If Rypien played like Campbell does the Skins never would have won the SB that year and do u see Campbell going to Hawaii??

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Look at the talent that surrounds those QBs. JC isn't great but he can be good. We've never had a great QB during the championship days either.

We've been doing the QB carousel for a while now and it has never worked. Build around the QB first.

Posted by: dcwun | October 29, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah difference is Campbell is not a decent QB.. This is Campbell's 4th year playing in Rypien's 4th year he threw 28 TD's took the Skins to the Super Bowl and made the Pro Bowl. If Rypien played like Campbell does the Skins never would have won the SB that year and do u see Campbell going to Hawaii??


Posted by: sovine08

I don't know. It is ironic that after 8 games last year everybody talked about JC and Portis as MVP candidates. Now, bothe can't play and need to be cut.

What happened? You know the answer to that and it starts up front.

Posted by: dcwun | October 29, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah difference is Campbell is not a decent QB.. This is Campbell's 4th year playing in Rypien's 4th year he threw 28 TD's took the Skins to the Super Bowl and made the Pro Bowl. If Rypien played like Campbell does the Skins never would have won the SB that year and do u see Campbell going to Hawaii??
Posted by: sovine08

This needs to be kept in perspective..Ryp had a stout OL and and all pro WR (Monk&Clark),,he had a better coach (Gibbs) and a better GM (Casserly)...given all that was provided to him he should have had that type of season...All JC has had was change from one system to the next to one that doesn't match his skills..A suck ass coach (Zorn) and a suck ass GM (Vinny)...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 29, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

One problem with this idea.. If fans are successful enough where the Redskins lose money all Snyder has to do is move the team.. I'm sure if he can't make money in D.C. he'll have no problem moving it to make money in L.A. I'm sure Washington could keep the name Redskins (like the Cleveland kept Browns) but who knows when or if we get a new team again...

Posted by: sovine08 | October 29, 2009 4:19 PM |

Here's a slightly more optimistic scenario. You've heard the expression "his cup runneth over"? In the not too distant future this will happen to senile Al. Only it won't be his wine cup, it will be his drool cup. The NFL will have to put the team into receivership and at this point they will look around and see that the Skins are just as ghastly as the Raiders, sans drool cup, and put them in receivership as well. whereupon the owner of the Ravens will do a Carroll Rosenbloom and sell his team to a LA suit and buy the Skins out of receivership. Everyone will live happily ever after except for the one or two lost souls still living in Balt.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

sovine, the only reason we found out Rypien was a decent QB is because the HOF coach he was under for 4 years backed him up, without fear of being fired. Despite all those fumbles and interceptions.

When Rypien was fumbling like crazy and throwing INTs, he still had HOF WR along with Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders to throw to. He also had an O-line that consisted of 26 year old All-Pro Jim Lachey (LT), Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jeff Bostic, and Mark May. You may know these gentlemen by another name: The Hogs.

I'm glad Gibbs stuck with him instead of searching for the next Franchise QB. Hopefully, we'll get off the Franchise QB search and go back to what brought Super Bowls to DC before, with 3 different QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Please visit "Save our Redskins (Fire Vinny)" on Facebook and become a fan of the movement to change the way OUR team is run!

Posted by: radionick28 | October 29, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Why can't u judge a book by its cover? Campbell looks like a kid lost in the woods while McN, Brees, Rivers, Brady, etc. have the look of do-it-all maestros.

Okay, fine have it your way them. Brees got rejected from San Diego by Marty for his 'performance'? So they drafted Rivers who has bee up and down. McNabb? C'mon there are so many Eagles fans who think McNabb is the most unreliable inconsistent guy? Whey they lost that close game at the end of last year to the Skins they thought they were out of the playoffs. Imagine the grief that poor guy got for it. They played a great game against the Giants and got back in. But remember we're talking the Eagles and Andy Reid not the fly-by-night who knows who will coach, will the real GM please stand up, no signs in the stadium Skins here. So far your comparison makes you look like an idiot ... so please ...
Brady? Brady? Been with the same team in the same system, same coach his entire career. Look who Brady replaced for criminie's sake? The Patriots have truly set the high bar for understanding and using the draft to replenish their talent. And now they even have Shawn Springs. So, stability and front office competence are what make Brady a franchise quarterback more than anything else. Sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

You are doing a good job of convincing us what a dumb shti you are. The Eagles stole Petey from the Bills. Even OL-phobic Vinny would have jumped at the chance to acquire an elite OT in the prime of his career for the 28th pick in the draft.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009

Stupid, ignorant sheep poker. Danny and hench-boy broke the bank and the salary cap to get Haynesworth and Hall. They had to let a guys they could really use go, like Springs? Remember? Dumb ass dolt. Salary Cap is why they had to wait until Buffalo released Dockery to sign him for much less than he was making. And then they had still had to trim and renegotiate contracts ... just to get Dockery in the door.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I WANT A QB THAT CAN LEAD US DOWN THE FIELD, WHO'S NOT AFRAID TO THROW OUT OF HIS OWN END ZONE, WHO'S NOT AFRAID TO LET IT FLY DURING A BLITZ.

Uhh Ricky? Two words: Jeff George. Remember what happened? So, soon the forget.

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Gibbs stuck with him instead of searching for the next Franchise QB. Hopefully, we'll get off the Franchise QB search and go back to what brought Super Bowls to DC before, with 3 different QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009

Let's remember, and keep in mind, that he didn't help Petitbone much after Casserly sold the offensive line down the river when the salary cap was first initiated. Bone deserved better than what he got damn it!

Posted by: periculum | October 29, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

With all due respect.

A great Defense does not begin with the secondary. In fact the secondary is the least important third of a defense. Most NFL passes are within 15 yards. You coulda made this argument years ago and it was still arguable, but ever since the NFL adjusted the way DB's could play receivers, their importance has diminished significantly. The days of a DB who could change the gameplan of opposing offenses are gone. *trust me*

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Comic relief in these hard times...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/091028&sportCat=nfl

Posted by: all_star_0013


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Hey RI,

It's the FIREJIMZORN guy.

Can you show me a video of the Redskin's practice this week?

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The days of a DB who could change the gameplan of opposing offenses are gone.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:20 PM |

But the days of a WR who could change the gameplan of opposing defenses are still here. As Carlos Rogers would say, "truss me". Hah!

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Can you show me a video of the Redskin's practice this week?

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:39 PM |

There weren't none. It's a buy weak. Everyone is arf.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU for pointing out Campbell's performances when he had a decent line. AND he did it in a brand new offense.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 29, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

MrPink

Yeah, WR's can affect your pre-snap defensive alignment, but ultimately they still need a QB to get them the ball. The Cowboys woulda made the playoffs last year if Romo had not gotten injured for 4 games.

T.O. completely disappeared without Romo. In fact this is the first year T.O. has not had a Pro-Bowl QB throwing to him and his stats suck. R.Moss disappeared in Oakland as well. Ocho Cinco disappeared last year while Carson Palmer was injured.

Majority(Majority meaning NOT ALL, but MOST) of evidence suggests WR's need QB's more than vice versa.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell would not be going through so many offensive systems if he would just succeed at one! I mean how many has he been through? Isn't one gonna work eventually? If a team had found that system where JC17 was successful they wouldn't have changed it!

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

*Cigarette Break*


I'll be right back

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's new favorite itune: "I Built this Roster on Shlock and Bull". Hah!

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Majority(Majority meaning NOT ALL, but MOST) of evidence suggests WR's need QB's more than vice versa.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:52 PM |

Hey, dude, you changed the convo on me. I wasn't talking WRs vs. QBs. I was talking WRs vs. the opposing D. Of course the WR is going to need a McN or a Brady throwing to him. McN and Jack or Brady and Moss - the opponents' D is pooping its pants.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

MrPink

My bad:(

As long as we agree on Jason Campbell when it comes to QB's.

-Isnt that Random?(Joe Gibbs on the V.Tech game halftime show)-

You know that's another argument FOR my 'diminished DB' assertion: WR's are freakish athletes and the pass-coverage contact has been enforced tighter, albeit Rule changes have given them the advantage.

That kid Dominique-Rodgers Cromartie is a baller though! Personally I feel like he's the only CB with enough athleticism to keep up with today's WR's. As he grows in the NFL, he will be the best corner in the league.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell would not be going through so many offensive systems if he would just succeed at one! I mean how many has he been through? Isn't one gonna work eventually? If a team had found that system where JC17 was successful they wouldn't have changed it!

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 8:56 PM

Vicc,
I posted this stat @2:35pm, but I think you should take a minute to digest it. This QB problem is symptomatic of something larger. It didn't start with Jason Campbell, and it won't end when we waste more draft picks and money on another QB. There were 9 other starting QBs in the window below, and 5 other head coaches. Our highest scoring season was Joe Gibbs second season, after he brought in Bill Musgrave as his QB coach (which seemed to resusitate Brunell a bit). Musgrave had previously worked with Brunell in Jacksonville.

JC17 QB'd this offense to its 4th highest ppg average of the decade 2 years ago, even subtracting out Toddball and the inspired run at the end of 2007: 18.4 ppg. Why have point totals regressed since then? Is it really all JC17's fault?

2009: 13.7 pts/game
2008: 16.6 pts/game
2007: 20.0 pts/game
2006: 19.2 pts/game
2005: 22.4 pts/game
2004: 15.0 pts/game
2003: 17.9 pts/game
2002: 19.2 pts/game
2001: 16.0 pts/game
2000: 17.6 pts/game

This scoring problem pre-dates Jason Campbell, and will continue as long as this team continues the same pattern it has for the past decade-- a carousel of new coaches & new QBs, little continuity.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

I happen to think that our offensive struggles are directly related to our instability at QB.

When we find a QB who can consistently play at a Pro-Bowl level, our team will be successful. Most playoff teams, not limited to Superbowl winning teams are led by a QB who has at least 1 Pro-Bowl appearance on his resume.

And for the love of the game and not just Jason Campbell, please don't start pinning his struggles on anyone but him.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Jesus - only one more day to Halloween and I don't have a Vinny mask or Danno mask or a Z mask or a JC mask yet! Oh how I have procrastinated! Too bad it is bye week at Redskin Park and no one is there. That is always one of my favorite trick or treat places.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Big 4th down conversion by V. Tech.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"I happen to think that our offensive struggles are directly related to our instability at QB."

So does Dan Snyder. That's been the approach for the past 10 years.

So how did Joe Gibbs win 3 Super Bowls in 12 years with 3 different QBs? Gibbs even refused to bench Mark Rypien after a 5 fumble, 3 INT performance in 1989. At that point, Ryp had 11 fumbles after 7 games... 2 years later, Rypien was winning a Super Bowl for Gibbs.

Tony Dungy puts it best: "I wouldn't blame it all on the quarterback. He threw for a lot of yards today. They're having trouble scoring. I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They need to build a team concept there."

"It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence."

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

As long as we agree on Jason Campbell when it comes to QB's.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 9:21 PM |

Agreemento. One credible explanation of why the Three Amigos haven't blossomed is because of Campbell's suckitude. They have mostly given up, knowing it is never going to happen with this QB.

Posted by: MrPink | October 29, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So how did Joe Gibbs win 3 Super Bowls in 12 years with 3 different QBs?

Posted by: Alan4


I think you and I both answered it: Rypien had 2 Pro-Bowl appearances on his resume! What, you think he just forgot how to play football? He had a bad game in a Pro-Bowl year.

Doug Williams, well he never got 30+ NFL starts so we'll never know..

Theismann = 2 Pro-Bowl appearances and an MVP trophy.

But us arguing over what Gibbs and his three little QBs did in the late 80s, early 90s is pointless. It's a very different time. And a very different NFL.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I think you and I both answered it: Rypien had 2 Pro-Bowl appearances on his resume! What, you think he just forgot how to play football? He had a bad game in a Pro-Bowl year.

Doug Williams, well he never got 30+ NFL starts so we'll never know..

Theismann = 2 Pro-Bowl appearances and an MVP trophy.

But us arguing over what Gibbs and his three little QBs did in the late 80s, early 90s is pointless. It's a very different time. And a very different NFL.

Posted by: Vicc

Um, Doug was a starter in Tampa for a few years.

Posted by: dcwun | October 29, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

A bad game in a pro-bowl year? Nevermind that he was playing his 4th year under a HOF coach, throwing to a HOF WR, and being protected by The Hogs. It wasn't just one bad game in a pro-bowl year, go back and check your history.

If his team was as weak as the one currently wearing Skins uniforms, he would be bent over the barrel just like Campbell is now. Book it.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Good correction dcwun.

Doug Williams led Tampa to 3 playoff appearances in his first 5 years.

I'd have nothing but love for Campbell if he had accomplished this.

Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"Nevermind that he was playing his 4th year under a HOF coach, throwing to a HOF WR, and being protected by The Hogs. It wasn't just one bad game in a pro-bowl year, go back and check your history." -Alan4


Yes that's right Alan4, never mind that exterior crap. What's with you and blaming the environment. WoW. Does anything ever happen of it's own accord?

JC sucks b/c his O-line, Synder, Vinny etc.

Joe T. was good b/c his coach, wrs, o-linemen.

NOOOOOO. Stop it. Name a good QB. The first one that comes to your mind.. He is good b/c he's good. And if he sucks, it is because he sucks. Once a QB has had successful seasons, he is capable of harnessing that rhythm at any time.

You know what? Fine. At some point, a person is responsible for his/her own actions right? Or how about: Adapt to your environment? sheesh.


Posted by: Vicc | October 29, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Who says the preseason isn't a predictor of regular. I'm not talking wins and losses. Precision, knocking people off the line, putting some drives together. I know first team doesn't get much time BUT.. when they are 3 and out on 3 series and the other team drives the ball in the first half your starters aren't going to get much time.
Then on top of that the 2nd team pretty much follows suit and tanks on offense, you couldn't even say M Mason was productive this year. The only bright spot all preseason was the new receiver from Nevada.
Having said that the Spurrier preseason was an anomaly, there was a bit of carryover into the regular season, but once defenses discovered 'something' that was shut down - and once again the system didn't overcome a talent deficiency.

We all know the skins need to stop thinking they are one player away. Maybe they will after this year. Hovering around 8-8 will do that to a team. We heard too often about how much talent the team has from players, coaches and local MEDIA.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 29, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Unless you've just won the SB or are contending for it don't believe anything from the team that indicates 'this is PRESEASON don't sweat it'. Yes during hey day some Gibbs teams tanked in preseason BUT their first team wasn't as offensively inept as this team was. And on top of that their second teams came out and saved the day.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 29, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I've paid attention a long time. I remember when there were 6 preseason games (and they were used to get in shape). Anyhow, Mason reminded me of this, too bad he didn't get a shot. Different era I guess. I remember when Neil Oklewicz got a shot at MLB, he was short, unknown, but all over the field, a tackling machine. Not the dramatic knockouts that everyone looks for now-a-days. He was like London Fletcher, just making plays

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 29, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, the only problem with your thinking is that the Skins have tried it for 10 years, and it hasn't worked.

Rypien was benched by Gibbs for poor performance halfway through 1989 despite Gibbs' proclamation in the link. Doug Williams started the following week against the Cowpies.

I'm not making excuses for Jason Campbell right now any more than I made excuses for 28 year old Mark Rypien in 1989. But I will tell you, just as I told my friends back then, this QB has weaknesses but he also has strengths. He's a stand-up guy. Gibbs is good at picking character players.

I understand when you say this is a different NFL than 20 years ago, but you must understand the approach you're advocating hasn't worked in the past 10 years. Maybe there IS a lesson to be learned from the time when this TEAM dominated the league, regardless of QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 29, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I also remember the ineptness of the O line in the late 70's. I blatantly recall seeing them getting pushed backwards. Then all the sudden Gibb's bunch came in and swapped out 4 offensive lineman and at the time they became the largest line in the NFL and started pushing forward. It took time for the skill people to get it together. I remember feeling we lost those early games but outplayed the other teams.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 29, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Continuing on the rant. I guess it will lead to a point, which everyone knows already...At the end of the Gibbs era their O line was one of the smallest in the league - but highly experienced and had former pro-bowlers as backups. Everyone copied the one back offense, huge o line concept. The Giants and East went with huge D lineman to offset the situation. Dallas trumped everyone in the 90's with the largest O line ever and a tuff RB to boot. Throughout the skins hey-day, YES, they had talent on defense BUT it was their ability to get a lead and sustain and put pressure on the opposing team that allowed their D to flourish. I believe this CURRENT D could be ranked as one of the Skins best ever - If they could only have an OFFENSive LINE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 29, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis has 490 yards
Betts has 21 yards

unbelieveable that our 2nd best RB has 21 yards through 7 games, and all the fingers are pointing at Portis

brilliant analysis

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 29, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
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This week's topic is Chris Samuels.

When fans take pride in a team, its because of players like Chris Samuels. Whether he retires or returns to the field, this seems like a good time to forget DEBACLE '09 for a few moments and pay tribute.

Samuels has done what the best and bravest do -- he took on the other team's biggest and strongest defenders, week in, week out, mano-a-mano, without much help. He was a regular at the Pro Bowl. On top of it, he has always been a class act.

Many great players struggle to come to grips with the end of their career. I hope Samuels makes the best choice for him.

Speculation on Samuels' worthiness for the HOF has begun. He certainly deserves to be in the discussion, though I doubt think he makes it in. Whether the powers that determine who gets into Canton favor him or not, there are few people who've played the LT position in NFL history that are in the same category as Chris Samuels.

Redskins fans have always been blue collar bunch. Our most admired legends are grunt, not glitz. Art Monk was a tough physical receiver, John Riggins was a bulldozer, Larry Brown a battler. More than any other franchise, Redskins fans appreciate their offensive linemen. We still speak with reverence of the legendary trade, over 20 years ago, where we gave up a potential star QB and got a great left tackle.

In old DC, the names of our offensive linemen names are as hallowed as much as any quarterback. Names like Hauss, Jacoby, Grimm, Lachey and Samuels.

In part, it is this link to our history that endears us to Chris Samuels. And in part, it is the man himself. His attitude, his play and the way he carried himself are the essence of dignity.

I know my perspective is hardly unique this week. Whether or not he returns to the playing field, Hail to Chris Samuels.

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Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 30, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell was drafted here with a purpose. To run Gibbs offense in a couple of years. Running Gibbs offense is MUCH different then running the WCO. Gibbs offense doesn't require excellent QB play, plain and simple. It requires someone to manage the game, get rid of the ball quickly instead of taking a sack and to not throw INT's. Then, when they put 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run, throw deep off playaction and make a big play. That doesn't require a great QB, just a heady QB, which I think Campbell would have been if Gibbs offense was implemented.

When Zorn was hired, you had to go with Campbell to see if he could run this offense considering how much you had invested in him. It didn't work last year once the league caught on to the Redskins offense because once they could gameplan against us, the true WC offense needed to take over and that is an offense dictated by Very Good to Excellent QB play. Snyder and Vinnie were right to go after a QB this offseason, the only problem was it should have stayed in house because once they didn't get one you had to stick with Campbell.

As much as I'd like him to succeed, I just don't think he's going to and next year we have to bring in another starter, whether Campbell is a restricted free agent or not.

The weird thing about this season is, I'm embarressed by this team but not mad. The reason I'm not mad and I want you to ask yourself this, is: When they drafted Campbell, did you say to yourself that this is a bad pick? I did and many on here did as well. When they hired Zorn as HC, did you scratch your head and say WHY? I did and many on here did as well. When they signed Haynesworth this offseason did you say to yourself, well he's great, but we don't need him for what he's worth and there were more pressing needs we had and could have used that money for? I did and I know many on here did as well. Lastly, when they ONLY signed Dockery on the OL, did you say to yourself..That's just not enough! I did and so did many on here.

With all of that said, could you really and truly be mad with the results this season. I can't be because while I thought they'd win more with this schedule, the decisions of the past gave no indications that they would. We're driving down I-95 with no where to go and no map. That's the reality. Until we get a destination and a plan to get there, we're going to be what we are now. It's depressing and embarrasing but something you could hardly get mad about since most have seen it coming. If your mad, be mad at yourself for denying the obvious.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | October 30, 2009 1:41 AM | Report abuse

The Skins will never move. Not to LA or to anywhere else.

Snyder's not a complete idiot. He doesn't know jack about managing a football team, but give him at least a sliver of credit for not being quite that dimwitted.

The Redskins have one of the largest and best fan bases in all of pro sports (which Snyder is currently taking for granted, yes), but beyond that, the team is one of the wealthiest metropolitan areas in the country (in the world, for that matter).

If Snyder left, there'd be a half-dozen other NFL teams falling over themselves to fill the void left behind.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 30, 2009 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Any scenario in which Snyder sells the team = any scenario in which Snyder moves the team = power rankings

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 30, 2009 3:56 AM | Report abuse

To wit, I agree with ya, zilla.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 30, 2009 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately payday has come due. After ten years of arrorgance and ignorance by the Redskins management the results speak for themselves. The NFL is arugably one of the most competitive endeavors in the world. To think you can come in and throw some money around and win is insane. Plus, it is now clear, that the management does not have a clue about how to build a good football team. I mean, your own internal evaluation says your major deficency was the O-Line and your own staff had concerns about running back. So what do they do? They decide to bolster the number 4 defense from last year ???

Posted by: chtraywick | October 30, 2009 5:06 AM | Report abuse

I mean, your own internal evaluation says your major deficency was the O-Line and your own staff had concerns about running back. So what do they do? They decide to bolster the number 4 defense from last year ???

Posted by: chtraywick | October 30, 2009 5:06 AM

Now, be fair. They did try to trade for an elite QB, too.

Posted by: League-Source | October 30, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

A very interesting movement may be afoot among football fans!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4605603

We, the fans (regardless of team), have the strength and ability to bring about positive change for our beloved teams. These fat-cat owners enjoy our money, but are giving us loss after loss after loss in return.

Hail!!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 30, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

The Offensive problems have been at least three years in the making. Samuels and Jansen had very limiting injuries three years ago. Thomas is a similar story. Nothing was done then. Nothing was done last year, and this year all the money went to Haynesworth, on Defense. Three years ago we suspected Jason Campbell would never make it. Everything he does is pure mechanics with no feel. Last year he really didn't show any improvement. It's obvious that the Front Office had little confidence in him (look at what they did for Cutler and Sanchez). Again, the money went to defense. Unfortunately, the defense has been adequate or better for several years, but all the money went to the Defense. As for Portis, he's a warrior who has little left, but again, his contract keeps him here. Good Offensive linemen are few and far between, especially tackles. The injury wires are full of O-lineman. So good depth is required. The Redskins have decent depth. Unfortunately, there are no "Starters" on the roster, just backups.

This whole mess started at the Front Office and it started 3 or more years ago. It has gotten so bad, it will take a few years to build and spend our way out of it.

Posted by: rhino2 | October 30, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

This whole mess started at the Front Office and it started 3 or more years ago. It has gotten so bad, it will take a few years to build and spend our way out of it.

Posted by: rhino2 | October 30, 2009 6:52 AM

You're saying this started when Gibbs was running the team?

Posted by: League-Source | October 30, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, sure Skins could have picked Oher, traded down to get him possibly. Fact is if Danny knew there was a movie coming out about him, he'd have been the five second pick. "Nothing beats free MARKETING"

Posted by: pv1999 | October 30, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS GARBAGE! JReid, the offensive system has nothing to do with qb poise, attitude, and effort. Jason Campbell fumbles the ball, WHEN THERE IS NO ONE AROUND HIM! I am sick and tired of excuses week in and week out. Jason Campbell is a bust, and will never be a champ.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse


ARE U JOKING...a quarterback...ANY QUARTERBACK WHO IS RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE IS GONNA HAVE A TOUGH TIME. Granted, he's not the best...but a lot of teams have QB'
s that are adequate with a STELLER O LIne. We've seen it in our history...Rypen was no Peyton, but won the Superbowl cause of his HOGS. I'll take that kind of SUperbowl win ANYDAY. GIVE HIM AN O LINE and the QB automatically looks better.

Posted by: veeshul | October 30, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

This needs to be kept in perspective..Ryp had a stout OL and and all pro WR (Monk&Clark),,he had a better coach (Gibbs) and a better GM (Casserly)...given all that was provided to him he should have had that type of season...All JC has had was change from one system to the next to one that doesn't match his skills..A suck ass coach (Zorn) and a suck ass GM (Vinny)...
Posted by: jcnjcnj
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With all due respect Campbell played for Gibbs after a year on the bench to learn Gibbs system he played the following year going I believe 2-5. The year next year 2007 he was 5-7, losing his last 4 games. And before you blame it on the OL and WR's.. they were they same ones Collins won his 4 games with. Well at least someone played well under Gibbs. Then the Skins got Zorn who put in the WCO.. but didn't we hear that was the Offense Campbell played so well in his final year of college??? Still Campbell was no prize playing for Gibbs or Zorn. But you know what don't believe me.. But how about Sonny Jurgensen, think he knows a little about QBing. How about Charlie Casserly? How about Ron Jarowski or Steve Young? And the other night I heard Phil Simms get on Campbell's case.. ALL these guys are saying Campbell is the problem.. are all these guys wrong???

Posted by: sovine08 | October 30, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The only difference between somebody like Eli Manning and Jason Campbell is the O-line each plays behind. QB is not the top problem.

Posted by: loux24 | October 30, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Next year is a QB rich year, draft one - we need him!. It is also a no cap year, sign a left tackle, a guard, and a running back. The rest of the draft can be focused on the future by drafting the best guards, center, and right tackle available lower down in the draft. Given the Redskins huge offensive deficits that is the only winning strategy available.
However, first we have to get a competent GM that can execute the strategy or it will be another 10 years of losing with Snyder at the helm.

Posted by: edeshields | October 30, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

IT'S TIME TO BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS

The time has come for the Washington Redskins' fans to take back the team from it's incompetent owner, Daniel Snyder.

Collectively, we, the lifelong fans of the Washington Redskins are upset, angry and quite frankly embarrassed at how Dan Snyder has systematically destroyed one of the most revered, successful and valuable franchises in all of sports.

Unfortunately, he will never sell the team, but that doesn't mean we as fans cannot influence his decision making by hitting him where it hurts: his pocketbook.

Here's how we can do this:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-the-Redskins/323147340726

Posted by: vega123 | October 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe....I borrowed your "So what are you going to do...." quip, changed a few words to fit the Cali locale and sent it out to all my califoria redskins bretheren I hope you don't mind cuz it was HILARIOUS!!!!!

Posted by: Dvious1 | October 30, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with this offense that can't be fixed by acquiring the following:
QB
Center
2 Guards
2 Tackles
3 Receivers

That's it. Simple, huh?

2-14

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 30, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I love reading these posts. Everything is Jason's fault. Hilarious!!! Does he deserve some blame yes. But when this team was 6-2 it was because the O-line was doing their job. Then as O-line had SEVERAL injuries everybody suffered. Portis WAS leading league in rushing. What happened after that? Everything begins and ends with the O-line. Was any of Gibbs' super bowl QB's stars. No. But the O-line was. Redskins fans should know that but the coach and QB are easy targets in football. No QB could survive behind the worst line in football. And for people calling for Todd Collins wake up. You want the most immobile QB in the league behind THAT O-line!!!!!!

Posted by: dlp22476 | October 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"And that is a wrap for this week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!Posted by: zcezcest1"

No offense intended, but what was unique about that?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 30, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Try to imagine Campbell as the QB for another team and picture how he might do there. He was a typical Gibbs type QB: big, strong with a good arm, a drop back QB. Like Doug Williams. But not a decision maker on the field, as all of Gibbs QBs from the past (except Joe T-but that's real old school when QB's called their own plays). Now, Campbell's in the wrong system, and made even more impotent by the Line of Missed Notes and a real average crew of receivers and backs. It's never good news when your leading receiver is the TE. When Collins came in he led the team to the playoffs, but had a good and motivated team under him. It was probably a good break he came in, because Campbell, I don't think, would have got them there. The team probably needs to unload Campbell, Portis and a few others (like #23 who is a real bozo and was right at home on the Raiders). And, then start over. A total re-do is in order. Trying to rehab the remains of Gibbs picks and team from a few years ago isn't goint to work. Finally, I couldn't really believe how bad the Eagles looked Monday. They almost look as bad as the Redskins. I think they're heading down the tubes as well, and will be joining the Skins in Team Rehab next year.

Posted by: ideabook | October 30, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

ARE U JOKING...a quarterback...ANY QUARTERBACK WHO IS RUNNING FOR HIS LIFE IS GONNA HAVE A TOUGH TIME. Granted, he's not the best...but a lot of teams have QB'
s that are adequate with a STELLER O LIne. We've seen it in our history...Rypen was no Peyton, but won the Superbowl cause of his HOGS. I'll take that kind of SUperbowl win ANYDAY. GIVE HIM AN O LINE and the QB automatically looks better.
Posted by: veeshul
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First off enough about the OL.. are they good no but Campbell wasn't chased around by the Rams.. they have no pass rush.. and he couldn't score a TD. The Lions weren't chasing Campbell around either and the Skins lost.. FYI Pro bowler Samuels was heathly for both games. It works like this a great OL will make a avg QB look better BUT a great QB will make an avg OL look better too... In other words ANY QB would look better behind a pro bowl offensive line, so would Collins for that matter, BUT a better QB than Campbell, someone to can make quick decisions and get rid of the ball fast and be accurate and all of a sudden this OL would look better too...

Posted by: sovine08 | October 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

LET'S GET JEFF GARCIA RIGHT NOW !!! HE IS FLUENT IN THE WEST COAST AND CAN HANDLE PLAYING BEHIND HORRIBLE OFFENSIVE LINES. AS HE HAS DONE SO WITH PAST TEAMS BEFORE.

WE NEED TO DUMP PORTIS ASAP AND PLAY MASON/BETTS COMBO PUNCHES.

PLAY ORAKPO FULL TIME DE AND SHIFT DANIELS INSIDE.

AND FOR HEAVENS SAKE SIGN RUNYUN FOR PLAYING TACKLE ALREADY...HE IS SITTING OUT THERE AND IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE GOT.

Posted by: jmail619 | October 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

JC has been a bad fit for this team for a long time. Gibbs drafted him to run a passing game similar to what he ran in his first term with Schoeder, Williams, and Rypien but he never was able to use him in that offense because he turned the offense over to Saunders. The Saunders offense is more of a West Coast offense than Gibb's offense. We couldn't even figure out what the offense was supposed to look like until Collins was inserted. All of decision makers should have seen this before they insisted on putting in a WC offense with JC at the helm. The good coaches adapt. It took Gibbs 5 games in 1981 before he adapted to his version of the Dan Coryell offense. Reid has certainly adapted the WC offense to fit his QB and team. It boggles my mind number 1, for Zorn to think that Campbell is all of a sudden going to change from a Schoeder style quarterback to a WC guy, and, number 2, for Snyder to think that Cerrato (10 year track record) and Zorn (2 years) are going to turn into Gibbs and Beathard.

Posted by: Sonny9 | October 30, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Bench Campbell.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | October 31, 2009 5:45 AM | Report abuse

Fact is ... Campbell should have 1000 rushing yards by now. If he had any decision-making ability, he would be scrambling on most every play.

Instead, he tucks the ball down, runs for a few yards BEHIND the line of scrimmage and THEN decides to try and throw the ball.

Invariably, he either gets stripped of the ball, overthrows or underthrows receivers while on the run or just plain falls lazily to the ground.

Bench him already, then cut his arse after the season!

Posted by: jsmith33351 | October 31, 2009 5:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone ever consider that the offensive schemes that Campbell plays under fail because he fails?

Just a thought.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | October 31, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

The Hogs won all those Lombardi trophies (and it is a crime that Grimm and Jacoby are not in the Hall of Fame). They made the offense go, kept the defense off the field and rested, and were the reason that an immobile, less than HOF QB such as Mark Rypien could go to Disney World. Treating the OL as an afterthought is always going to be a losing proposition. (One can look beyond the Skins at Parcells and Jumbo Elliott for example to see how real football minds value offensive lineman.)

Posted by: sonnybilly | October 31, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Next year's Draft?? You just know that it will be Teabow...He'll solve all our problems!!! ....Yeah right

Posted by: job22 | October 31, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

It's simple: FIRE VINNY!!! Hire a REAL GM and hire Jon Gruden. Snyder needs to then SHUT UP and let football guys run things. It'll take two years to get back in gear. We need an O-Line overhall, QB, RB. I think Cambell can be a good QB, but he'll be gone next year.

Posted by: conesa | October 31, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It's all about Campbell! Poor guy he feeling so much pressure and he's so afraid to make a mistake because his offense is weak. I got news for you Bozo, you're one of the weakest links. The most annoying about this season is the pampering of Jason (three and out) Campbell. He f..ing sucks.

Posted by: theBozyn | October 31, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Up until now, I was convinced that JCampbell was hopeless. But then I read this article. I am going to quote it for the benefit of the JC supporters (which must be down to his Momma and Daddy now) and the haters or legitimate criticizers: Here is what Jason Reid writes here which slapped me stupid:

"At this time last season, the Redskins were 6-2, quarterback Jason Campbell had passer ratings of at least 104 in four games, running back Clinton Portis was the NFL's leading rusher and rookie head coach Jim Zorn was the toast of the town. Washington's veteran offensive line provided the foundation for the surprising success on offense to that point, and it seemed the team could be headed to bigger things if the unit remained physically sound for 16 games.

Of course, the line fell apart because of injuries. The Redskins went 2-6 in the second half, finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs for the seventh time in 10 seasons under owner Daniel Snyder.

Those offensive line problems were identified in an internal offseason evaluation of the roster but were never adequately addressed, and so far this season, the Redskins are experiencing an offensive crisis that holds no promise of ending over their final nine games."

Posted by: isometruman1 | October 31, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who the best offensive lineman free agent is after this season, but whoever it is will have a plane flying to him from Washington DC, 1 minute after midnight with a $100 million contract and a bunch of hot broads.

Posted by: josettes | November 1, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder is a cancer growth, he should have never been allowed to buy this team. I cant believe the NFL allowed him to borrow most of the money to buy the team. He is a born loser who got lucky during the dotcom boom.

Posted by: bluebee8 | November 1, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, I remember the days when we picked up undrafted free agents and they became HOF quality players i.e. Jacoby. You remember right? Back when this organization actually had a clue and was the class of the NFL. Now we got an offensive line that is so bad I doubt they would excel against the best college defensive line. And, Cerrato thinks he assembled a playoff quality team? What a joke! There is not a single offensive player worth a damn on this team other than Cooley and possibly Moss if he were actually in the role of 2nd best WR.

I do believe that if JC had better players around him and a system that fit his skill set he could be a better than average NFL QB. But, the verdict is already in on whether he is a franchise QB. It's a resounding - no.

As far as tweedle dee and tweedle dumb are concerned, good luck. I see no drastic changes in the near future. Snyder giving up control of his favorite toy will not likely happen anytime soon. In that regard, he is much like a 5-year-old. The reason a five-year-old acts like that and the reason Snyder does is the same. It's the stage of development where the child is developing his/her ego. Snyder definitely has an enormous one and must have passed that stage with flying colors.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 1, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Our main problems on offense:

1. Campbell- he just sucks period. I see college QBs making better reads than this guy.

2. Zorn- Lack of leadership, doesn't make adjustments, is very soft on the players

3. O-line- injuries

But before we blame all on the O-line, let't not forget our TWO main obstacles. And for anyone outhere asking for Campbell to become our "veteran" QB next year? This idiot still plays like a ROOKIE QB!

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | November 1, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it, Campbell would not be productive in a Chucky Cheese arcade. He is snakebiten, has no peripheral vision what so ever. The rushers run dead at him and he stands there like a deer in headlights and takes a 10 to 20 yard loss. He doesn't see wide open receivers up the field and dumps the sure one and two yard dumps to the closest guy to him. He has all day on some plays, and he still throws errant passes two yards out of bounds, high or in the dirt.

Time to move on and stop making a ton of excuses. Flacco, Ryan and others have one and two years in the league; Jason has five years, but looks like a first year rookie!

Posted by: wcdun1 | November 1, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

After this season I say get Mike Vick. Without an o-line, and because of the threat of him running most teams would be hesitant to push him out of the pocket. Jason should move on somewhere else, not because he's a bad quarterback, but because as long as this O-line remains the same, the more abuse he'd take.

Posted by: skynz71 | November 2, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

It's simple: FIRE VINNY!!! Hire a REAL GM and hire Jon Gruden

I'm up for the first part of your statement, but spare me GRUDEN. I want no part of him.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

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