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Skins' Position on Cutler Unchanged

At this point, our reporting gives us no reason to believe that anything has changed concerning the Redskins' thinking on Denver quarterback Jay Cutler. At the owners' meetings a week ago in California, Coach Jim Zorn said the team had no interest in Cutler. And Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, said the same thing on March 17.

When Cutler-to-Washington rumors first surfaced, the Redskins told agents for the parties mentioned (Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley) that the rumors were unfounded and the team was not interested.

The fact that Cutler is now officially on the trade market does not appear to have changed matters, at this point.

The team has not yet responded to media inquiries since Denver owner Pat Bowlen said he'd pursue a trade for Cutler, with Cerrato hunkered down in draft meetings. As for the Broncos, a league source said they are sitting back and colllecting offers for now. "They are accepting bids and what happens next is a mystery," the source said.

We"ll continue to make calls, monitor the situation and pass along what we know.

By Jason La Canfora and Jason Reid  |  April 1, 2009; 2:17 PM ET
 
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Comments

Good thing...

Posted by: siris | April 1, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Campbell isn't the problem for this team.

We all saw it. It is the OL. It is the WRs after Moss tweaks a hammy. It is the lack of turnovers caused by the defense. It is special teams struggling in kicking and PR. And Zorn's play calling.

Those were the problems last year.

Where have we made changes? Albert should help in the defense/big play department. Picked up a couple of potential PR guys. Added Dockery to the OL.

Skins should fix their problems. Cutler won't fix any of the Skins problems. Shanahan would.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

please please no...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | April 1, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

All this Cutler talk is giving me a headache...
I hope JZ releases another statement about not being interested so we can put this nonsense to bed...

Posted by: BostonWarPath | April 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BostonWarPath | April 1, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

This just in. No new news.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins make the play for Cutler, it means Shanahan is the man behind the curtain. Which means only Vinny and Danny are involved.

Personally, I like Campbell and wouldn't trade him for Cutler. But if we get Shanahan, one of the league's best offensive gurus to pair with an already good defense, I'd have to make that move.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

just say no it is that easy.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Quick poll. Which is better?

Cutler + Shanahan

or

Zorn + Campbell

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Um - wasn't that just reiterating what you had already said?... but ok.

So...

...when's the next shabingus? I'm thirsty!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. Let's get on the talented burgundy and gold QB we have, who's NOT sulking and whining about feeling slighted.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

lets give JC + JZ one more year before we answer that poll.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Cutler may be an upgrade, but it would be
a colossal mistake.

The chemistry on this team would be shaken and it's simply not worth it.

Giving up what?

Our first pick...players and tap into next years draft?

Don't support this crazy idea guys. Let's
support JC and I believe we will all be pleasantly surprised.

Jason will break out this year!

Posted by: rhowze | April 1, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Jim Zorn, Joe Gibbs, the ghost of Vince Lombardi, and God put out a joint statement, saying "only the Mayor of Nitwit City would make that move right now."

Even then Guru would say we should do it.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Defenses were not scared of Campbell throwing..that's why we got blitzed all the time. They see Campbell has a slow release, does not pull the trigger, will take sacks."

Uhhh...

I remember the pressure coming from the front 4 on the D line, not from bringing the house. Quite the opposite. D lines would dominate our O line, disrupting the running game and pressuring the QB, allowing them to drop seven and keep a safety deep all day, making Campbell throw into heavy coverage and not risk the deep ball with a safety back. They respected his arm, and stayed back, knowing the D line could take care of their business.

We need to build our O line, not putz around with another QB (who is statistically similar and hasn't won a playoff game yet...)

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

lets give JC + JZ one more year before we answer that poll.

Posted by: theFreshinAU

Its relevant now. You won't have that choice next year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So JLC knows nothing and just reposted and earlier post. Genius

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Dunno z, how far did MS&JC go in the playoffs?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

JReid with the byline....

Moving on up. Now you gotta put a pick of him not in a bathroom stall up there.

And straighten out JLa's glasses while you're at it...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

boston: "I hope JZ releases another statement about not being interested so we can put this nonsense to bed..."

You realize of course that every denial just convinces more people that it's a done deal.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys. No guts? Afraid to respond?

Cutler + Shanahan

or

Zorn + Campbell

Me, one vote for Cutler+Shanahan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Quick poll. Which is better?

Cutler + Shanahan Record is 17-20 .459

or

Zorn + Campbell Record is 8-8 .500

Posted by: zcezcest1

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems the Redskins will ALWAYS be linked to big, flashy trades and/or draft picks. So, I don't assign much credence to the rumors. However, with The Danny and his cousin Vinny at the wheel...who can really predicy what they will do.

Posted by: sportphoto | April 1, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

My vote would be based upon how far Cutler & Shanahan got in the playoffs. I don't know the answer. Does anyone remember?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Culter + Shanahan = 17-20 (35% win ratio)

Zorn + Campbell = 8-8 (50% win ratio)

Whose better?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor,

How am I starting with you? I just responded to your comment...this is a blog right?

It's good conversation...don't take verything so personal.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Cutler + Shanahan All Day

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Campbell isn't the problem for this team.

We all saw it. It is the OL. It is the WRs after Moss tweaks a hammy. It is the lack of turnovers caused by the defense. It is special teams struggling in kicking and PR. And Zorn's play calling.

Those were the problems last year.

Where have we made changes? Albert should help in the defense/big play department. Picked up a couple of potential PR guys. Added Dockery to the OL.

Skins should fix their problems. Cutler won't fix any of the Skins problems.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:29 PM

AMEN!

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Cutler hasn't seen the playoffs, though as others have pointed out, the Bronco defense was a sieve.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this ownership team is impatience. They always have to go after a quick fix and each time, they fall on their faces. If they do go after Cutler and acquire him than they are really saying that Zorn is not the solution here. He was almost on the hot seat at the end of last season...if they give him a new QB to learn a new scheme and expect both to succeed after 16 games, they are crazy. I think what they do with the QB decision in the coming months will dictate whether or not they think Zorn is their guy.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | April 1, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Its relevant now. You won't have that choice next year"-zcezcest1

How can you say that when Cutler has three years under the same coach ans same offensive system.

Campbell has had one year with Zorn and the WCO.

So without knowing what kind of year Campbell will have this year you are already calling for his job?

Why is no one patient enough to let someone coach and be coached.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand some of you. The question isn't if, it's how much. Clearly we shouldn't give away the farm for the guy but are you kidding me? Find a guy in the league who says that Cutler wouldn't be an upgrade over JC. Just one...

Posted by: Gweez | April 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

My Cutler + Shannahan numbers were skewed.

17-20 = 45.9% winning ratio

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NO JCUTLER!!! Don't you all ever get tired of this team being remade every stinkin' year? I do. And it happens because we have Vinny and Danny acting like they work in a fantasy league instead of in the big leagues. The best teams get better by taking their time, building a foundation, and tweaking it a little every year. I VOTE ZORN + CAMPBELL

Posted by: BenThere | April 1, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Something must be going on b/c while other teams with Top 20 picks have been working out multiple potential draft picks. This team has worked out just Mark Sanchez?
Where is Oher? Where is Smith, Where is Maybin? Where is anybody who might be picked at 13? If they don't plan to trade the pick away why haven't they worked guys out?

Posted by: davidalanwatts | April 1, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

theFreshinAU:

I say that because Cutler gets traded this year. This is when the choice is available. Not next year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Leevi - You are as bad as I am as far as reading sarcasim.

I wrote that whole post in jest. Joking. Have you not seen me argue peeps about DHoward before? I won't give up and I thought you knew that.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 2

Zorn + Campbell: 1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

z

I am a little confused on which side of the fence you are on. You say no to Cutler alone but if we can get both Cutler and then next year fire Zorn and pick up shanahan you are good with that.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Leevi - You are as bad as I am as far as reading sarcasim.

I wrote that whole post in jest. Joking. Have you not seen me argue peeps about DHoward before? I won't give up and I thought you knew that.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

:)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

NO JCUTLER!!! Don't you all ever get tired of this team being remade every stinkin' year? I do. And it happens because we have Vinny and Danny acting like they work in a fantasy league instead of in the big leagues. The best teams get better by taking their time, building a foundation, and tweaking it a little every year. I VOTE ZORN + CAMPBELL

Posted by: BenThere | April 1, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

No cause it entertains me....does not anger me...Football is entertainment ya know....Chill and enjoy the ride :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Leevi - You are as bad as I am as far as reading sarcasim.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:47 PM

BUT -- he's probably better at spelling it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn and Campbell.

Zorn, a former NFL QB who tutored Matt Hasselbeck (3-time pro-bowler initially benched for not when he couldn't asjust to Zorn's coaching), has put exactly 1 year into fixing some of JC17's mechanics.

Said Hasselbeck:

"The tough thing I found with Jim is that you may think you're playing at a level you think is really good and you're doing everything you're supposed to be doing and everything all the coaches have asked you to do."
""Jim will say, 'Now we have to take it to the next level.' And that's hard when you're thinking, 'I had a good game. I was NFC offensive player of the week.' But he'll say, 'You didn't do this, this and this.' But in the big picture, he has a good perspective on things."

Playing for Zorn, Hasselbeck threw 140 touchdowns in 103 games and had an 86.3 passer rating.


I'd like to see the progress continue.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Jim Zorn said the team had no interest in Cutler"

Just like it was reported they had no interest in Jason Taylor?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm for Cutler + Shanahan now. Its really all about Shanahan over Zorn. If I get one of the best offensive coaches ever along with this defense, I take it over Zorn, every day.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"When Cutler-to-Washington rumors first surfaced, the Redskins told agents for the parties mentioned (Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley) that the rumors were unfounded and the team was not interested"

Duh...cause if the trade does not work out..then your really screwed...You end up like Denver with cutler.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler comes here, do you try and get rid of JZ now or next year? If now, what other coaches leave? How do we know he will want to keep Blache? Can you really see Vinny/Dan dictating who Shanny would have on his staff????

Posted by: will_ga | April 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, is that a Zorn+Campbell vote?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

sorry JC, but if we could get Cutler for Jason Campbell straight up, you'd be a fool not to take it. Cutler is 25, I think he'll be 26 when the season starts.

I think JC can be on a winning team and could even win the Superbowl, but it won't be because of him. I'm NO Cutler fan really, dude annoys me, but I think he could lead a team to the Superbowl by his play. JC is like a step or two up from Mark Brunell when he's out there.


Give me Cutler's skills with JC's personality.

ideal trade : JC and Clinton Portis for Cutler and a second rounder, then we draft Moreno with #13 and a OT with our second rounder. Ignoring salary cap implications (as our FO often does), who wouldn't take that???


THE TRUTH IS BACK BABY!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Something must be going on b/c while other teams with Top 20 picks have been working out multiple potential draft picks. This team has worked out just Mark Sanchez?
Where is Oher? Where is Smith, Where is Maybin? Where is anybody who might be picked at 13? If they don't plan to trade the pick away why haven't they worked guys out?

Posted by: davidalanwatts

Work them out? Just put the tape in! lol.

Z,

My vote goes to Zorn + Campbell.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the second half of the season... Zorn + Campbell was the most predictable duo in the league. I am not an NFL Defensive coordinator but I could call 95% of the plays that Coach Z put out there

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Zorn+Campbell.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. When is the draft?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Skins should fix their problems. Cutler won't fix any of the Skins problems. Shanahan would."

Maybe. Maybe not.

I thought coming out of last season that the Skins had two preeminent needs. First, to increase their pressure on the QB. Second, to improve their ability to punch the ball in within the Red Zone.

Haynesworth goes a long way towards fixing the first problem, and Dockery will help with the second. If one of those kid receivers steps up, we could have a much improved outcome this year.

Shanahan's a terrific coach. No reason Denver should have fired him. But there are two things about that offense I don't like.

First are the crackback blocks. That stuff stinks. Second is the focus on the QB. Shanahan is so loyal to Cutler because he's the first QB they've had since Elway who Mike thinks could bring him a Super Bowl ring. If he came to Washington, I'm fairly sure Jason Campbell wouldn't insire the same level of confidence.

Zorn's not ready to be an NFL head coach. He's learning on the job. Still, he's the one that Snyder brung us, and guess we have to dance with him.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 1, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The rumor (guess?) I heard was that Zorn becomes OC or asst HC, Offense or something like that, if he wants it. Holmgren and Shanahan were the OC's back to back, in SF. Not just the same tree, but the same branch. So much of Zorn's experience would be highly relevant under Shanahan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"Did anyone watch the second half of the season... Zorn + Campbell was the most predictable duo in the league. I am not an NFL Defensive coordinator but I could call 95% of the plays that Coach Z put out there"

That would be Zorn + Anyone

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, our reporting....."


LOL, stop right there.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the second half of the season... Zorn + Campbell was the most predictable duo in the league...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 2:55 PM

Call it a hunch, but I suspect losing your starting O-line for half a season and keeping your most talented receievers (rookies though they may be) on the pine might cause limitations on the playcalling a wee bit--and the success of the plays that are called.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. When is the draft?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 2:56 PM

THIS MONTH!!
And only 4 and a half months til the first pre-season game! Bring it!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 2

Zorn + Campbell: 3

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

ideal trade : JC and Clinton Portis for Cutler and a second rounder


I'm pretty sure this only works if AH agrees to redo his deal and work for the vet min due to the Portis cap hit.

Posted by: will_ga | April 1, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

ideal trade : JC and Clinton Portis for Cutler and a second rounder, then we draft Moreno with #13 and a OT with our second rounder. Ignoring salary cap implications (as our FO often does), who wouldn't take that???
THE TRUTH IS BACK BABY!!
Posted by: TheTruth11
--------------------------

Truth, that is a great concept but a steep price considering the Broncos have to trade Cutler at this point. I would argue that Cutler, #12 pick this year, and their 2nd rounder this year or next year for JC and CPortis would get this deal done and solve problems for both teams.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, the evidence seems to point to Zorn&Soup. I'll go with that.

I do have to say that Shanahan has a nice ring to it, though.

Still - i'm willing to give Zorn & Campbell at least one more year. Could they suck early and then get better, though? At least it would feel better even if we miss playoffs again... lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What? You think the Broncos want Portis? Heh, dream on. They need defense and a QB.

Posted by: Gweez | April 1, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

I agree with you, 'Call it a hunch, but I suspect losing your starting O-line for half a season and keeping your most talented receievers (rookies though they may be) on the pine might cause limitations on the playcalling a wee bit--and the success of the plays that are called.'

But Zorn should have done something -- anything to mitigate those circumstances. And if he did, it wasn't enough.

My hope is that this offense will expand and tailor to the personnel. Zorn now knows what he is working with and should be much better at handling his responsibilities this season.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler reminds me of a bitter chick on the rebound. Not really where you want to build your long term relationship.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

We aren't trading CP...Snyder has a man crush on him...anyone else I'd say there is a possibility...but CP is Snyder's boy.

I vote for Zorn & Portis...

Posted by: authorofpoetry | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Cutler + Gibbs 3.0


"Dear Lord Baby Jesus, lying there in your...your little ghost manger, lookin' at your Baby Einstein developmental...videos, learnin' 'bout shapes and colors... "

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

fwiw -- the rumor I had was a 3 way deal, with Cutler coming here, JC going to AZ and Leinhart to Denver. There would be picks and perhaps some other players involved.

To me, the only reason for the Skins to consider the deal is if Shanahan comes with Cutler.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

why would that be an ideal trade?

A) trade your most productive rb the team has had in years, not to mention the cap hit.

B) A young QB who has improved every single year he has been in the league


Am I the only one who sees the Jay Cutler thing going down like the brett favre thing, where it will get so bad that the broncos will lose all leverage and have to take what they can get.

I am sure if teams just wait and let the fire continue to rage, the price tag will go way down.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Culter and Tannashan

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I like the way the Truth thinks...

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | April 1, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I like the way the Truth thinks...

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | April 1, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"why would that be an ideal trade?"


Because we finally let Betts get 20 carries per game and re-sign Leigh Torrance as our back up RB. (he can do it)

And we use the draft picks we pick up to solidify our team at WR and TE. Oh wait, that was last years plan...damn, this might not work after all. Abort! Abort! Run Away!

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

MAKE THE MOVE!!!! IT'S BETTER TO MAKE MOVES THAN TO BE STUCK BELOW MEDIOCRITY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS... DO SOMETHING... I DON'T THINK JASON CAMPBELL IS ANY GOOD. GIVE THEM COOLY. HOW MANY TE'S WON YOU SUPER BOWLS? MAKE THE TRADE FOR A REAL PRO QB. ARE YOU ALL NUTS??? YOU SAYING YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE CAMPBELL and his DONE NOTHING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS to CUTLER MADE THE PRO BOWL AFTER THREE YEARS??? A YOUNG QB UP AND COMING TO A CAMPBELL SOUP TOMATO SOUP?? COME ON. YOU WOULD RATHER WATCH ANOTHER MIND BOGGLING 7-9, 8-8 SEASON? then to take a chance on a fireballing qb with some feistyness?? ARE YOU ALL REAL SKINS FANS??? IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THE LAST THREE YEARS WITH CAMPBELL!!!! I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE SKINS REALLY SUCK THEN TO BE BELOW MEDIOCRE... PLEASE GIVE THE WHOLE WR's corp and QB up for CUTLER!!!! GEEZY PLEAZY!!!

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This is my favorite thing, TRADE TIME!!!!!

Sweet, here are the deals I'd make:

1. Marcus Mason, Leigh Torrence, and a 7th round pick in the 2050 draft for Adrian Peterson, Randy Moss, and Darren McFadden.

2. Portis and Moss for Calvin Johnson, Michael Turner, and Jake Long.

Last one:

3. Phillip Daniels, and Alex Buzzbee for Mario Williams and Julius Peppers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm right there with ya, Fresh.

My only hangup is I'm not sold on Zorny. I like him, but not the swan dive of last season.

So the Shanahan thing is intriguing. I don't like Cutler so much.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

the truth nice to see you! Campbell is average at best and way 2 cautious almost painful to watch at times

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Dik, I take it that was a vote for JC and Zorn

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I would give my whole draft this year and campbell for Cutler.. And I am not being crazy..

If you would tell me at the end of last year Cutler and Haynesworth would be on our team with everyone else for the most part coming back.. Who needs a draft?!!? Our defense was fine and now that is better. Cutler all they and and do what it takes to get'er done!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

...doeshin doing his best "SIGN CHRIS COOLEY" impersination...

...awesome...

But DOE, who is going to change Cutler's diaper? The guy is a TO level head case.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

nice slimbo....seems intelligent, and well thought out.....perfect plan.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 3 (Zeke, slimbo, bench)

Zorn + Campbell: 4 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

doeshin aka Mr.I like to type in all capital letters,

Cutler is only one year younger than Campbell and if you want a "pro bowl" quarterback Im sure Derek Anderson is available. Being a pro bowl quarterback doesnt mean what it used to. People should understand that teams that perennially win dont change things. They dont change the system, the coach or key personnel. As long as the skins keep trying to win the offseason superbowl they wont win when it counts. Be patient its coming.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

GEEZY PLEAZY!!!

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM |

Nice use of ALL CAPS. Usually people who do this are morons, but you seem to dodge that stereotype.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

like they'd tell you idiots at the post anything....lmao

Posted by: rclangley | April 1, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who sees the Jay Cutler thing going down like the brett favre thing, where it will get so bad that the broncos will lose all leverage and have to take what they can get.

I am sure if teams just wait and let the fire continue to rage, the price tag will go way down.

Posted by: theFreshinAU

I see it a lot like the Favre thing, minus the potential HOF and storied franchise.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

t_e, greg, I KNOW you guys have an opinion. Zorn+Campbell or Shanahan+Cutler

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

^ You sir are an idiot.

Posted by: ecale25 | April 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

One more time. Does anyone in there right mind actually believe the skins are gonna get drastically better next year? please tell me somebody that they will be 10 - 6 next year. please tell me they see good things next year. the way i saw it for the last 10 years. they have NEVER failed to disappoint me. Brunnel and Campbell have been really really excruciating to watch over a whole 17 week 16 game 4 months season. Collins performed better. Are you people really saying that Cutler wouldn't be a better QB? wow.... WOW! i think Cutler made Brandon Marshall who he is. You think Reggie wayne would be Reggie wayng with Campbell? NO! he is reggie wayne because he is with Peyton. You think Anquan would be Anquan with Campbell? NO. Anquan is Anquan because he is with Warner. GO OUT AND GET A FRANCHISE QB. HOW OFTEN DO U THINK THESE THINGS HAPPEN? A PRO BOWL QB 3 YEARS IN IS BEING TRADED. ARE YOU PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR MINDS??? The best move the skins could have made the past 10 years is to NOT make a move. the best move they can make now is to send the kitchen sink for Cutler, and START FRESH with the Offense.

oh gosh... oh please... please... please tell me danny will be danny for this one.... oh please.......

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I ran into Leigh the other day. Next thing you know, we've commondeered (sp?!) a citizen's vehicle explaining that we were chasing Whitey Bolger. And we sped through town to the Brickskeller.

I'll be damned if Torrence didn't drink every beer off that wall save for one. He loosened his belt two notches, leaned back, and said he just liked to leave the wait staff nervous.

He left a $200 tip, but he punched a patron in the face on the way out.

I still can't figure out what to do with the Hummer.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Greg for GM, genius pure genius. Why didn't we all think of it?

Some of you remind me of the people in my FF league that send off the wall imbalanced trades somehow thinking they work.

Get real, it's picks and perhaps JC. We probably couldn't afford to trade anyone else they'd want like Cooley as the cap hit would be prohibitive.

Posted by: Gweez | April 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

z, I want to trade Campbell, and Marcus Mason, for 23 First round picks, and some 10-10-10 fertilizer for the field.....

Where does that put me??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

MAKE THE MOVE!!!! IT'S BETTER TO MAKE MOVES THAN TO BE STUCK BELOW MEDIOCRITY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS... DO SOMETHING...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM

Isn't this mentality sort of the REASON we've been stuck in mediocrity the past 10 years? Let's see:
- 6 coaches
- 10 starting QBs

No thanks, I'd like to give the new guys at least a couple of years together, then re-evaluate.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

oops, got instaposted. That's what I get for actually working while on RI. Shame Shame.

Posted by: ecale25 | April 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

t_e, greg, I KNOW you guys have an opinion. Zorn+Campbell or Shanahan+Cutler

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:20 PM

Zorn+Campbell for me. And if they don't work out, I definitely don't want to go the Shanahan+Cutler route.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SEAN TAYLOR...YOU WERE AND STILL ARE PART OF THE PRIDE OF THE REDSKINS

f cutler
f dallas
p filly
f nyg

Hail to the Skins

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 1, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Um I voted JC+Zorn

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Z - yes. In my most plain english. Yes for Zorn & Campbell.

...seriously.. who wan't an '05 Hummer - slightly dented and smelling like Hai Karate?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer continuity with Campbell and Zorn this year. The Skins should evaluate both positions once the season is over to determine if Campbell is the QB and Zorn the head coach of the future.

Shanahan's Broncos were simply not that good over the past three years. Zorn has a lot of potential; where as Shanahan probably needs some time off to recover. I'd like to see how Zorn's performance ranks with an additional 2-3 years of head coaching experience.

Next year could be interesting with so many former coaches available (including Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy, Gruden, Edwards, Martz, etc...)

Posted by: siris | April 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

No thanks, I'd like to give the new guys at least a couple of years together, then re-evaluate.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If you have good players you don't need to give them a few years. Matt Ryan and the Falcons Perfect exsample. Of, MAybe Flacco and the Ravens, or maybe Pennington and the dolphins.. Should I go on?? IF we wating too long we will have to rebuild our team again. Haynesworth, Cutler, Hall, Moss, Cooley, Portis.. All have many good years left now. Not in a few years to realize JC sucks ass.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I am no longer a Zorn fan but I don't want any part of Cutler. I take JC- Zorn.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 1, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh wow... Dik, Let me see. I am a pro bowl QB. and the new coach coming in who is my age wants to bring someone else in. and i am suppose to like that. A head case like TO? wow. i would be a little upset... that be like, me getting promoted at work, and a new boss comes in and wants to bring someone else to do my job.... DIK... That is not the same head case as TO...

Sorry for all CAPS folks... but they are soooooo HOT!!!!

King Joe, Derek Anderson?? did someone mention DEREK ANDERSON? he played well at Kentucky for Pitino right? Derek Anderson??? i would rather have Campbell then Derek Anderson... Patients? Patients?? wow... i have been patient enough to watch skins games for the last 10 years and having them never disappoint me. even in the good 2nd year with Gibbs... Brunnel's performance disappointed me so much...

go get cutler! please... oh please..... Danny, DO NOT disappoint us... oh great Danny....

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

3. Phillip Daniels, and Alex Buzzbee for Mario Williams and Julius Peppers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

4. Portis to the Vikes straight up for Adrian Peterson.

5. Todd Collins for a Tom Collins , ham sandwich, & a Fathead of Tom Brady!

Posted by: will_ga | April 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Slimbo - Your examples are great. However, there is NO evidence Cutler can do anything resembling what these teams/QB's did.

I'm for any change that works. Not for change in and of itself.

You have yet to see JC play w/ an OLine. Pennington in NY didn't have one and he perennially didn't do squat.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

slimbo, Zorn was a first year coach and JC17 has gotten better every year. Statistically he's on par with Cutler although he played against much superior competition.

JC17 had a better year individually than the QB wearing a Super Bowl ring from last year. He's not the Skins problem. And Cutler is no savior (as his record attests), or his team wouldn't have been shopping him around in the first place.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

z, I want to trade Campbell, and Marcus Mason, for 23 First round picks, and some 10-10-10 fertilizer for the field.....

Where does that put me??

Posted by: BeantownGreg

with the fertilizer

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Doeshin,

It isnt unreasonable to expect the skins to improve by two or three wins next year. They had a viable chance to win almost every one. Another year of continuity would do this team good, its been a while since we have had it. Teams who constantly overhaul don't win.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I've got it...

A second round pick for Jay Cutler straight up.

Wait...what do you mean that sh-t only works for New England!?!

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | April 1, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The only way we need to be in on the Cutler trade is if someone needs the #13 pick to make it work and we walk with a slightly lower 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder too.

Posted by: countystyle | April 1, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"One of the Fort Myers men charged with killing Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor in 2007 wants to get out of his plea agreement, his attorney said today."

http://www.news-press.com/article/20090401/CRIME/90401041/1075

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 3 (Zeke, slimbo, bench)

Zorn + Campbell: 8 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Doeshin,

The point I was trying to make is that being a pro bowler is nothing. Most of the qualified players want nothing to do with it. Romo made the pro bowl off of a six game stretch. Its based more off of politics than talent. There is no other way to explain why London Fletcher has yet to make a pro bowl. What does Brunell have to do with anything?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Medium Soup.

Posted by: moosepod | April 1, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

countystyle - I couldn't agree with you more.

Cutler may be a slight upgrade, but by no means a sure thing. And unless I'm getting a sure thing ala P. Manning or T. Brady I prefer not to mortgage future picks for possibly 1 more victory. This is what we all used to complain about with Snyder/Vinnie...

Posted by: skinsnwiz | April 1, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

T.J. Duckett, Jason Taylor, and Vinny Cerrato's Summer House for Cutler

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

King Joffejoffer

I understand continuity. But it's the way they lost those games... Who was one o the lowest scoring teams last year? Skins. They had no Home Run capability. they couldn't get a few more points to save their season. And i honestly believe Cutler gives u more chances to score home runs than Campbell. I think %85 percent of the qb's in the league can do what campbell does. Hand off to CP 2 times and then make the safe throw in 3 secs. before u get sacked... I think Cutler is Top 3-5 QB with something to prove... Some unproven coach tries to bring in Matt Cassle. While Cutler was there. I would be a little mad too. Their loss, our gain. Campbell is NO GOOD... You think Jim Zorn uses DIAGNAL to describe a Slant Pass? Do u think he says Sideout to say an OUT pass??? daggone it... changing one qb is okay. changing coaches is different. if a coach tells u to throw an out pass, the QB has to throw an OUT pass... But what other things does that QB bring to the table? do u think defense weren't aware of Cutler? they focus on the Broncos passing game. does that make a difference? No, he still LIGHTS up the defenses... The record for cutler? 17 - 20? U think if Denver had Washington Def, they would be 17 - 20??? YOU PEOPLE HONESTLY THINK THAT??? What the heck does a team record have to do with Denver's Def. sucking bad???

okay. i am done arguing with you people.

I will just continue to call out to the GREAT DANNY.....

Oh Great Danny.... be a man. do the right thing......

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't see any similarities in the Favre/Cutler comparison. That is like 15 years in age difference. The Broncos will get decent compensation for him but it probably won't be fair value. Even though the Skins shouldn't trade for him there are at least 5-10 that should consider it.

I know we don't have may picks this year but trade the draft for him? Yeah F the OL, LB, DE all those spots we need starters or depth. I swear some of you must walk around all day swilling from a flask.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has this year to show if he is the future, if not he is out of here. I will go on record as saying I do not believe he will be a premier passer in this league. He seems to slow in the head to be elite.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 1, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys. No guts? Afraid to respond?

Cutler + Shanahan

or

Zorn + Campbell

Me, one vote for Cutler+Shanahan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 2:39 PM |

One of these alternatives should not even be on the table in any choice proposal. The Broncos lost the last three games of 2008 when a win in any one of them would have put them in the playoffs. After their dismal season was over, Mike Shanahan, who had won 2 SBs as HC of the Broncos, was fired by the owner and then the QB was put on the trade block. So, do we really want these two duds, who were booted out of Denver, in DC?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Shanahan + Cutler over every QB/HC duo in the league, minus Brady + Belichick, factoring in long-term thinking.

Close second goes to Brees/Payton (Brees beats out Cutler, but Shanahan's experience and success, not to mention his multi-dimensional offense, nets those two the victory).

No chance Campbell can make up for the difference between Zorn and Shanahan. It isn't even close.

That said, I'm satisfied if Campbell sticks too. He's a good player and will be very good for a long time. I have no doubts about that. But Cutler will be special, especially if he sticks with Shanahan.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

That being said, we do not need a Diva like Cutler in DC, that guy is one of the biggest babies I have seen in the NFL....EVER. Watching him in college was the exact same. He gets it from his dad, who is just as big, if not a bigger baby.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Cutler & Zorn or Campbell and Zorn?

That should be the poll.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

None of the Above

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

One more time folks....

It didn't take Great QB's 4 years to be great... If Jason Campbell was gonna be Great, he would have shown signs by now. Peyton Manning showed signs right away. So did Brady. So did Marino. Cutler torches defenses. Campbell Torches My Nerves... If Campbell was going to be great, he would have shown signs. What has campbell done to say he will be above average??

Cutler has strong and accurate, makes good decisions, reads defenses well and has thrown a lot of yards and tds. and made pro bowl. 3 years. come on people. Just watch some TV... it is so obviously appearent that Campbell is never going to pan out. a bust. so painfully obvious. excruciating to watch him play. can we please accept the fact that he will never pan out? please? bring in Cutler?

yes?

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 3 (Zeke, slimbo, bench)

Zorn + Campbell: 9 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Please ANY TEAM other than the Redskins sign Cutler now so this insane talk with STOP!!!

980 is having a great time with it....even asking callers to phone in....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason is not the Franchise QB who can win Super bowl for us. And never will be. I don’t understand why people still wishing and dreaming and hoping.

Posted by: skinsMill | April 1, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 4 (Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps)

Zorn + Campbell: 9 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose)

doeshin, did you vote in there anywhere?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Z - That's messed up. You didn't count my vote.

No Postation w/o Representation

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

They never have any interest in anyone until they sign him. They'll trade Campbell and a pick and end up with Cutler. You heard it here first!

Posted by: cbtole2 | April 1, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

doeshin, Cutler's record is signifcant because he played in a division with no winning teams. He didn't play the Super Bowl champs twice or beat a team that went to the Conference Championship twice. I don't think he played against the #1 and #2 defenses either.

He played in a weak-a ss division with not a winning team among them and finished 8-8, with 18 INTs.

Sorry, I'm not impressed.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

4th, you voted None of the above. That wasn't on the ballot. No write ins, no wimping out. Pick it up, 4th. If you want a vote to count, step up!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

z, I clearly voted....thats not fair...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Zorn/Campbell

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Or get this cheep handy number for the Misses

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Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 3:50 PM

LMAO

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1.

are u serious? was i not painfully obvious?

Cutler + Shanahan

U know, i thought of all the jobs in the world, Mike Shanahan's Job was secure... win back to back super bowls 10 years ago. Get fired by owner... sheeesh...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 4 (Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps)

Zorn + Campbell: 10 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose, KingJ)

Greg, glad you voted -- apparently it was some other poll

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

good to be counted....thank you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 5 (Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps, doeshin)

Zorn + Campbell: 10 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose, KingJ)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

SJK!

Zorn-Cutler

Isn't that on the ballot?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As a person, Cutler reminds me of Theismann in a lot of ways. He's a pompous ass with a cannon arm and a motor mouth. I'd grab him up in a heartbeat.

Posted by: MarylanDChris | April 1, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Please ANY TEAM other than the Redskins sign Cutler now so this insane talk with STOP!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 3:51 PM

Exactly! Send his disgruntled butt somewhere else and let's get busy fixing our O-line!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

One more time folks....

It didn't take Great QB's 4 years to be great... If Jason Campbell was gonna be Great, he would have shown signs by now. Peyton Manning showed signs right away. So did Brady. So did Marino. Cutler torches defenses. Campbell Torches My Nerves... If Campbell was going to be great, he would have shown signs. What has campbell done to say he will be above average??

Cutler has strong and accurate, makes good decisions, reads defenses well and has thrown a lot of yards and tds. and made pro bowl. 3 years. come on people. Just watch some TV... it is so obviously appearent that Campbell is never going to pan out. a bust. so painfully obvious. excruciating to watch him play. can we please accept the fact that he will never pan out? please? bring in Cutler?

yes?

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

At the start of last season during the 6-2 run, Campbell played about as well as any quarterback can. He needs to have that consistentcy for a whole season, then maybe he will prove he is a top notch QB.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 1, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

U know, i thought of all the jobs in the world, Mike Shanahan's Job was secure... win back to back super bowls 10 years ago. Get fired by owner... sheeesh...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:01 PM

Just goes to show, finding the next John Elway isn't so easy. It's better to improve the other areas of your team and keep a compentent QB who doesn't kill you, a la Big Ben and Eli Manning. And JC17.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"What has campbell done to say he will be above average??"

Started out the season 6-2, was the #1 QB in the league in interceptions per pass attempts last season, his passer rating in September was 102.2, his passer rating in October was 98.6, his 4th quarter rating in "close" games (defined as 7 pts or less margin) was 100.4, his passer rating vs. the blitz was 90.5 (8 TDs vs. 2 INTs -- bet that thwarts a lot of moronic theories here), and his career numbers IN Dallas (2 games):

53 for 85, 62.4%, 579 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT

If those aren't "signs" that he can be a great QB, I don't know what are.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

SJK!

Zorn-Cutler

Isn't that on the ballot?

Posted by: 4thFloor

Not this one. Can do that later. I don't count opinions, even if its pretty obvious where it would lead. So if you don't see your name, I don't have that vote

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mortenson on ESPn just said the Redskins and Bucs are the frontrunners for acquiring Cutler. Dan snyder wants to make it happen.

Posted by: Skins1 | April 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

True that. But u know I just don't have good feeling bout Campbell. I don't know bout all these coaching changes. But changing a QB who I believe will do better than Campbell is just a GUT feeling. Maybe if Campbell and Cutler were swapped, Cutler might be just as excruciating to watch. Maybe Campbell in Denver would have thrown like Warren Moon. Who knows. I just know I am not expecting anything above average from Campbell. when we have another 8 - 8 or 7 - 9 season, and watch Campbell failed to score the winning drive for the 10th time in the season and Skins have the lowest margin of defeat again and one of the top DEF's and be one o the lowest scoring teams again... watch them hand off to CP %75 of the time with no where to run. Can't make that ONE crucial throw to save the game. Can't convert that ONE turnover into a TD to put the game out of reach... OH GAWD... that is the past 3 years... please someone wake me up from this night mare.... That is just TOO excruciating for me... way to painful...

fine. No Cutler. your right. Campbell! please put us through another season like u did so i can have a bigger hole in my stomache.

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying on ESPN that "I would almost put the Redskins on top in getting Cutler. Daniel Snyder wants this to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it's done within 24 hours." Wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

A trade for Cutler would be one of the rare instances of a flashy, bonehead Cerrato/Snyder move benefiting the team. The problem with Campbell is that despite his promise, he does not have elite vision and the rapid decision-making needed to be an elite QB, rally the team from behind, crack the red zone, deal with an elite pass rush, such as those of the last two Super Bowl winners, NY and Pitt . His arm strength doesn't matter, because he doesn't make decisions quickly enough to use it. It is not just a question of weakness on the O-line. Every year, Campbell gets an excuse for mediocrity (he's learning a new system, he's learning another new system, the O-line was beaten up, etc.) Truth is, after three years, he should have shown more than he has. Campbell could win a Super Bowl on a team like the Patriots, where every position is stocked and the coach is a genius. On our team, we desperately need a superior QB, and Cutler has that potential. I'd give up Campbell - if they want him - and our second for him.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 1, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Skins1 and I heard it the same way. Plus, he types faster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Washington (10-1): "I have quietly heard Washington could be involved in a deal for Cutler since the day the trade story broke. The Redskins have said Jason Campbell is their quarterback, but Cutler is a better player and a trade package could involve Campbell. How about Cutler and Mike Shanahan reuniting in the nation's capital in 2010?"


http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1884/Where-could-Cutler-end-up-.html

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The only way I would be happy about this deal is if we got cutler and didnt give up our #13 pick..which is pretty much impossible... Cutler would be an upgrade over campbell but dont you start to worry about team chemistry?? Bringing in a whiny b*tch QB who probably wont have the respect from his peers. I like JC a lot and everyone in the locker room does too.. We need an OT in the draft..dont give away our pick

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying on ESPN that "I would almost put the Redskins on top in getting Cutler. Daniel Snyder wants this to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it's done within 24 hours." Wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Nice find Talent......there is always truth to rumors to a certain extent. I am reading most are saying there is something going on ...i would say though Mort is a pretty serious source

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Daniel Snyder wants this to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it's done within 24 hours."

If it's going to happen, it's almost guaranteed to be quick. It's the Dan Snyder way when it comes to trades.

I expect it to happen at least by tomorrow night, or I won't expect it to happen at all.

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

my votes zorn and campbell 7 days a week and twice on sundays monday nites with the ocaasional thursday saturday and sunday nites!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I got no beef with JC. I hope he does well and I'll obviously cheer him on.


But until us fans stop cheering for the fan favorites who are really mediocre guys, why should we expect our organization to be anything other than mediocre?

Seriously. I'm guilty of it, too. But we sit here and cheer on ROCK CARTWRIGHT, even some Leigh Torrence fans, and Colt Brennan, JC, Ladell Betts, and god knows how many average *** players.

Taking a step back, it's hard to imagine any other fanbase acting as stupid as we all do. We beg for more time but more time means more mediocrity. When we have a coaching change and it fails after one (or two) years, we say "Well just give 'em time", meanwhile other organizations have made changes and started winning immediately.

And we all want change, but only as long as we aren't trading away our overpaid, injury-riddled, mediocre over-the-hill fan favorite players. Let's get younger, but we shouldn't cut him, him, him, him, and him. We cheer on re-signing of special teams players.


We suck.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 1, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

psps23

your right. those are some GREAT numbers... it's funny tho. i guess defenses adjusted to him from that 6 - 2 start. and he went what? i don't remember cause i stopped watching. 2 - 6 or something? and. to tell u the truth, if i really thought campbell was fun to watch, i would've kept watching even tho they kept losing. and even tho those numbers u showed me are great, i don't sit here thinking bout how great campbell is. or even above average. OR even a throw that he made that sticks to my mind... hmmm... not many of those huh... hmmm...

oh and btw, did he win that game against Dal at home? hmmm what great QB can't get his team more than 10 points at home against their rival? hmmm... hmmm... geez. fine i am sure nothing will come out of this. u can have ur ulcers and heart burns from watching campbell go through another great season of great stats.... i just think he is not that great or even above average. sheeesh...

sheeesh...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse


If the Skins make the play for Cutler, it means Shanahan is the man behind the curtain. Which means only Vinny and Danny are involved.

Personally, I like Campbell and wouldn't trade him for Cutler. But if we get Shanahan, one of the league's best offensive gurus to pair with an already good defense, I'd have to make that move.

Posted by: zcezcest1

ARE YOU KIDDING? SHANAHAN SUCKED! IT WAS ELWAY THAT MADE THAT TEAM GREAT-NOT SHANAHAN...AND FOR CUTLER-THAT CRY BABY, UNLIKEABLE PERSONALITY, POUTING, WHINING JERK

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Leevi - You are as bad as I am as far as reading sarcasim.

I wrote that whole post in jest. Joking. Have you not seen me argue peeps about DHoward before? I won't give up and I thought you knew that.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 2:47 PM


This is what is otherwise known as "sarchasm", i.e., the gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person
who doesn't get it.


This is one of the entries in TWP's Mensa Invitational, which asked readers
to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or
changing one letter, and supply a new definition.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 5 (Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps, doeshin)

Zorn + Campbell: 11 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose, KingJ, all_this)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

doeshin, I'll tell you what. If DThomas and MKelly get healthy and learn their routes and actually play in games... if the JJ/Heyer side of the O-line gets fixed and the O-line can play together at least 13 games ...

If JC17's QB rating doesn't improve (from the already decent 84.3 of last year) under the above conditions, and the offense doesn't score more, I will join you in saying it's time to look for another starting QB.

What does JC17 have to do to satisfy you next year (considering his teammates *do* play a role in his success)?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

april fools, te......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

april fools, te......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

A trade for Cutler would be one of the rare instances of a flashy, bonehead Cerrato/Snyder move benefiting the team.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 1, 2009 4:09 PM

How can you say this without knowing what the 'Skins give up to get him?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As always the Redskins management is the last to figure out they're QB sucks

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | April 1, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Mort is also talking about the Redskins trading up to get Sanchez.

I really liked last year's off season much better than this one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I am torn on getting Cutler but only because of what the price maybe.

I with ALL of you...I do not want to give up the 13th pick in the deal.

i do want Cutler. I think he is a much better Qb and it would change our offesne bigtime...Portis would have a field day with Cutler there.

Most say give Campbell another year....well that's the samething we said last season. With Campbell it's more than just the on the field play. He does not seem to have the leadership skills it takes in the NFL for his position. Some say Cutler is cokcy...well so was JT and I will take cocky in a qb anyday. You need a guy in that spot that will be vocal...step and take charge and will not be scared of taking chances. Thats what makes a QB great. I see that in Cutler....

If we do wait another year and Campbell fails again...the window is smaller for this team, Campbell is now a FA and we get nothing for him, and then your looking at Colt , FA or draft a Rookie.

So when you really look at this...They need and should go after Cutler....It may sting with the pick involved...but damn you have to take chances in life...it's what makes ya great.

What if Gibbs did't take a chance on Doug? What if Gibbs didn't take the chance with JT or Rypien..when the world said NO!

He took a chance on Campbell...It appears he was wrong.

Look i like Campbell...I pull for him...but i just don't see it as of yet...and his career is half over...

I say do it while there is value...

Take chance!

HAIL!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Notwithstanding whether it makes any sense or not, Cutler will be a Redskin. I love ya Jason, but I think your honesty has sent you to the information doghouse. Profootballtalk. com and the Denver papers have us as the leading candidates for Mr. Cutler's services. Remember when the WP was claiming there was no way Haynesworth was coming and we all know how that turned out. PFT was all over the Haynesworth thing BTW.

Posted by: jimschaecher | April 1, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

everyone yellin for cutler but b4 i take cutler i would rather have cmpbell have one more year if he shows nothin bring on

COLT NOT CUT

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Not this one. Can do that later. I don't count opinions, even if its pretty obvious where it would lead. So if you don't see your name, I don't have that vote


Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:07 PM

Isn't what you're doing would be called 'counting opinions'

So, it's either you're a republican or democrat, huh? Even in RI? That's why I am neither there or here.

Independant on the Hill, Independant on RI.

Zorn-Cutler (And via TE, it may be closer to the Truth than the 2 choices you are currently presenting to us)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

is this serious....really is mort reporting this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Look, if the talking heads are right and we have to give up Campbell AND picks to get Cutler then it's not worth it. If it were a straight up swap I wouldn't really care. Or if we trade QBs and picks (think JC and our 1st for Cutler and their 2nd and 3rd or something like that) then maybe.

While I have no problem with Soup @ QB, I don't really have a problem with Cutler either (apparently the kid just needs a hug). But I don't want him if it means losing draft picks.

Posted by: countystyle | April 1, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

OK, time to cast final votes ... will close this up a 1:30 my time. Not close, so far.

Kind of surprised how comfy people are with Zorn over Shanahan, not as surprised by the lack of love for Cutler. Personally, I think Cutler for JC is close to a wash. But Shanahan vs Zorn isn't close -- especially since both are offensive coaches. And weren't there plenty of complaints up here how Shanahan was eating us alive in our trades with him?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Grudgingly I’m starting to think that Jay Cutler will be the skins QB this year. My hope is that the skins have done all due diligence over the last one or so since Cutler has been pouting, instead of jumping in at this point. That’s what a good FO should have done to cover all bases when getting Cutler became a possibility. Anyway, if Cutler comes I hope the skins get his original contract in place and wait until this season has been played out before extended his contract.

Posted by: TWISI | April 1, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell was going to be great, he would have shown signs. What has campbell done to say he will be above average??
Posted by: doeshin

Actually, 980 just did a breakdown and Campbell and Cutler's numbers are very comparable....games played, QB ratings, etc. The only real difference is that Cutler threw more TDs but FAR MORE INTs and Campbell threw less TDs but had far less turnovers.

And they failed to mention that Campbell is a classy,dedicated guy and Cutler is a spoiled whiny brat. And diabetic. Could health issues be a problem for him?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Voting so far:

Cutler + Shanahan: 5 (Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps, doeshin)

Zorn + Campbell: 11 (Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose, KingJ, all_this)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Put me down for Zorn + Campbell.

I want to give them one more year.

And if the rumored trade does go down, I hope Danny doesn’t get fleeced. I think the longer it plays out, the less they would have to give up for him. At least wait until Draft day when the broncos start to get desperate….they pick right before the skins, I believe. Who knows what they would do…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i love Jason, but i'm really sick and tired of his slingshot/slow as malasses release. He just holds on to the ball way too long. Cutler on the other hand has a quick release combined with a strong arm. I don't like his personality, but at the end of the day, i think he wins more games. I'm all for this trade! Make it so Danny Boy!

Posted by: ralston21 | April 1, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is nothing with out Branden Marshall... Unless they're going to send him too, then it's no go.

Posted by: COskins | April 1, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has got me shook. Alot of people in the League use his name in vein to advance their own agendas. Are we being used by Denver or Bus Cook to leverage TB into a better deal? Maybe.

I like Sanchez, though. But wil he be ready? This IS the east coast.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg's being smart about this one. I know he isn't for Cutler and if the opportunity presented itself, he would most certainly want to sound off on him.

But he knows there's that chance...he may have to support Cutler as the starting QB for next season...hence mostly crickets coming from that IP address...

Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I will take Zorn/Campbell.

And put periculum down for

Priest Holmes/Priest Holmes

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Alan4.

okay. i am pretty sure the two draft picks from the genius that is cerrato do their thing, Campbell and the skins will win more games. okay! repeat that about 5 times... and tell me u don't get the same sick nauseous feeling that i do...

if the 2 picks from last year, which i can't remember off the top of my head, improve, and JJ and Heyer do better, Campbell and skins will win more games. Okay that sounds a little better.

I guess I personally like Cutler from what I saw on those Monday Night Games. against bad teams.. AH! Against Bad teams ur suppose to LIGHT it up right?? okay so St Louis Rams come in. and what do the skins and Campbell do? Light us fans up... oh gosh... oh gosh... i think i ma throw up...

Come on... Fine Cutler played Poor Competition. But HE LIT THEM UP DIDN'T HE?

Campbell played Rams... oh gosh... i hate it when i am right...... i hope MD plays well next year. cause i don't know bout the skins...

oh gosh.... Doesn't Campbell Sometimes want to RING up the score against an OPPONENT??? I know Cutler seems to want to beat them by 30.... against bad Teams man... at home man.... wow...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Just saw on NFL live......Mort has indeed said the Redskins are one the top 3 teams trying to get Cutler.

At this point there has to be truth to it.....Mort is a pretty serious NFL source.

the other two Teams were the Vikes and Jets

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

HAS EVERYONE FOR GOT ABOUT COLT IF CAMPBELL DONT WORK OUT AND HAS EVERYONE FOR GOT WHAT DIVISION THE BRONCOS ARE IN A SENSITIVE PUSS BALL LIKE CUTLER WOULDNT LAST A SEASON PLAYIN IN THE NFC EAST YOU NEED A HARDNOSED QB IN THIS DIVISION AND I THINK CAMPBELL IS AS TUFF AS THEY COME GO CAMPBELL !!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

And they failed to mention that Campbell is a classy,dedicated guy and Cutler is a spoiled whiny brat. And diabetic. Could health issues be a problem for him?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 4:25 PM

Lisa,

I thought that was common knowledge.

Not sure about his health? He seemed pretty healthy on the field while taking his insulin.

The redskins will always be mentioned when it comes to FA's or trades or disgruntled vets because we always agree to some stupid terms that allow the other party of the trade to walk away with gold.

F Cutler

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

While I have a soft spot in my heart for Jason and everything he has been through including the lack of protection--a critical factor--I believe that Cutler is better. The talk about records last year is not on point. Denver had a terrible defense and still averaged 23.125 points per game. Washington averaged 16.56. Nuff said.

Posted by: rgj21 | April 1, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Shanahan the coach. No thanks to Shanahan the GM, at least when it comes to the defensive side of the ball.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

is this serious....really is mort reporting this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:24 PM

True. And Schlereth is talking like it's serious, too. "Denver with the 'Skins #13 and with their own #12 could move up to grab Sanchez."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

is this serious....really is mort reporting this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i just saw Mort Say it on live TV in HD and 5.1 surround on Nfl Live...

So yes he did say this see my post above

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

damn if mort is reporting it we are screwed its gonna happen morts the one who said haynesworth would be comin here when everyone else said we couldnt afford him!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"i love Jason, but i'm really sick and tired of his slingshot/slow as molasses release." -ralston21
---------------------------------

Wow, how ironic that describes both Campbell and La Canfora. Nice work.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

leevi, thanks...ugh...I really wish this were not true....if this does happen, and does cost the team their first round pick, thats just stupid, and Dan isn't making forward progress......

psp, I'm reserving comment. If they get Cutler and he's GREAT, then I'm for it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

d*mn if mort is reporting it we are screwed its gonna happen morts the one who said haynesworth would be comin here when everyone else said we couldnt afford him!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Mort is saying on ESPN that "I would almost put the Redskins on top in getting Cutler. Daniel Snyder wants this to happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it's done within 24 hours." Wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse
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During the run up to the Haynesworth signing, I was vowing to switch allegiance to the Ravens. After seeing the contract and the uncapped 2010 season looming, I was mollified by my love for the Skins.

However, if The Dan brings in Cutler, regardless of the price, I will personally start an anti Dan site with the intent of raising fan cash to buy the team. I might do that anyway.

It would be tough, but about 60,000 fans and investors averaging 10K in investment capital could legitimately make a play to buy controlling interest of the Skins franchise.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

FINAL RESULTS

Cutler + Shanahan: 5
(Zeke, slimbo, bench, psps, doeshin)

Zorn + Campbell: 13
(Alan4, matt, Dik, benthere, ice, siris, alex, t_e, moose, KingJ, all_this, swow, dlahaze)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"i love Jason, but i'm really sick and tired of his slingshot/slow as molasses release." -ralston21
---------------------------------

Wow, how ironic that describes both Campbell and La Canfora. Nice work.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse


Funny ass stuff.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 1, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

are you friggin kidding me....if they trade the 13th and Campbell for Cutler, I'm sorry that's just GALACTICALLY STUPID.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

jim Rome show is now reporting the Ksins as well....I think Cutler will be a redskin tonight or tomorrow...Reports are the Skins want him bad and will pull the trigger.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

every one talkin about there cutlers defence and they averaged 24 points a game well look at the compition they played scrubs 6 times a year soo of course they had 24 points a game

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Greg's being smart about this one. I know he isn't for Cutler and if the opportunity presented itself, he would most certainly want to sound off on him.
But he knows there's that chance...he may have to support Cutler as the starting QB for next season...hence mostly crickets coming from that IP address...
Posted by: psps23 | April 1, 2009 4:31 PM

I’m for keeping Campbell, but if they do end up with Cutler I can only hope that they don’t give up too much to get him. I will be PO’ed at first, but come game time, I’ll root like crazy for the guy who is QB’ing the Skins….no matter who it is.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 1, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Lisa R

Daggone it... Lisa, Why is Cutler a Whiny Brat??? He has every reason to be upset... They tried to bring in another QB... the young and unproven coach who 30. Tried to bring in another QB from his old team. If i just got awarded at work equivalent of pro bowl. and i am feeling pretty good bout it. a new boss, unproven, and prolly close to my age, comes in, and tries to bring another guy that does your job.... you wouldn't be upset??? ho my gosh... am i the only one with Cutler here? Have you not been put in the same situation?? how can the owner let that happen? bring a coach that wants to bring in a QB (Matt cassle the hottest thing last year) and upset the pro bowler that was there. 980 can do WHATEVER comparisons they want... All i know is, when the Raiders played the Broncos, Cutler SHREDDED them like Chipotle Barbacoa. Shredded them... i watched them game and i said, DAGGONE Cutler is GOOD... When the RAMS! THE RAM!!!! THE ST LOUIS RAMS!!!! came into town... WHAT THE EFFIN DID JASON CAMPBELL DO??? where did the skins season go from there?? aren't great QB's suppose to PULL them out of a game like that? and right the ship?? CAMPBELL... IS GREAT GUY i guess. u know, his interviews remind me of Tiger Woods.... GENERIC... HE IS NOT a great QB... and i do NOT belive we will win a super bowl or the division with him... At least we can watch Cutler Tear up a BAD team...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I dont care...I want cutler

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

any one know the actuall strength of schedules for denver and redskins last year cant seem to find it!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It would be tough, but about 60,000 fans and investors averaging 10K in investment capital could legitimately make a play to buy controlling interest of the Skins franchise.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 4:35 PM

Isn't that about the same price as their season tickets?

Dude, can you imagine this team with 60,000 fan-owners? That's basically the structure of the Green Bay Packers which was completely dysfunctional last year when they were trying to react to Favre's comings-and-goings.

And what a good time now to be raising money!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Based on how the Redskins draft in the high rounds, I am 100%, I repeat, 99.9% in favor of trading our draft picks for proven players.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It should be Campbell for Cutler and maybe our 6th round pick or less. If we give up a first and JC we are run by the dumbest dude in America. Dumber than sports_guru. Guaranteed Campbell will be great in Denver and Cutler's career will take a dive in DC.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Based on how the Redskins draft in the high rounds, I am 100%, I repeat, 99.9% in favor of trading our draft picks for proven players.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Good Point lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Hoping this is just April Fools BS...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

leevi, at the cost JC plus a first??

you're not that dim a bulb, this SCREAMS of snyder 2000.

Stupid....just stupid.....I am going on record that if this costs the team their first round pick, I'll hate this, like I hate turnip....and believe me you, I hate turnip......brown sugar, nope, butter, nope...you just can't dress them up......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Dan are killing me.

In JC17 I trust

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Cutler has receivers that get open... only difference
If JC had Marshall, he'd be the man.

Posted by: COskins | April 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

First post, been reading for a long time.
We do not need another QB; we need to protect the one we have. JC can be very successful, like he was during the 1st 8 games last year. Protection = running game=solid defense = wins.

It kills me when I hear the pundits talk about how JC regressed; maybe that had something to do with opponents D in the backfield before he can set up and throw to our wonderful receiving corps. Moss is solid but wears down. Fact is that Danny boy and his meat puppet vinnie have a flawed team. No depth on the OL killed us, no quality receivers after Moss. Why the hell did we draft Davis? wasted pick there.

My opinion how how the draft should go - try to trade down to late teens or twenties and take the best OL, LB, DL available and with acquired picks pick up the rest. If they stay at 13 they MUST go OL (don't be afraid of the fat boy from alabama, great footwork and the Alabama connection with Samuels will help).

Let me know if I'm off base.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I am torn on getting Cutler but only because of what the price maybe.

I with ALL of you...I do not want to give up the 13th pick in the deal.

i do want Cutler. I think he is a much better Qb and it would change our offesne bigtime...Portis would have a field day with Cutler there.

Most say give Campbell another year....well that's the samething we said last season. With Campbell it's more than just the on the field play. He does not seem to have the leadership skills it takes in the NFL for his position. Some say Cutler is cokcy...well so was JT and I will take cocky in a qb anyday. You need a guy in that spot that will be vocal...step and take charge and will not be scared of taking chances. Thats what makes a QB great. I see that in Cutler....

If we do wait another year and Campbell fails again...the window is smaller for this team, Campbell is now a FA and we get nothing for him, and then your looking at Colt , FA or draft a Rookie.

So when you really look at this...They need and should go after Cutler....It may sting with the pick involved...but damn you have to take chances in life...it's what makes ya great.

What if Gibbs did't take a chance on Doug? What if Gibbs didn't take the chance with JT or Rypien..when the world said NO!

He took a chance on Campbell...It appears he was wrong.

Look i like Campbell...I pull for him...but i just don't see it as of yet...and his career is half over...

I say do it while there is value...

Take chance!

HAIL!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

So, as Z continues to offer false coices to a possible situation, I think we are not really in this and being used as leverage by Pat Bowlen by the blessings of Daniel Snyder to use the name Redskins when talking to the other teams as far as compensation comparrisons........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

My take. I see no upside in Cutler over Campbell, but a downside in salary. Shanahan over Zorn, different story. Unproven leader vs guy with rings.

What I don't see is how Cutler would fit into a coherent plan without Shanahan.

In 2009, its win with defense and play mistake free offense. Campbell has proven he can do that very well, even without an OL or much in terms of WRs. Cutler is the high risk, high reward guy. Not a good fit unless you have a different coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Cooley better not be shipped off in some dumb arse deal....we get the shaft in any deal we do with Denver. F'in Cerrato

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am for Campbell + Zorn, I think Shanahan is D$ck and overrated.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm praying that what you're writing is true.....

I mean, they can't be that stupid....they simply can't be.....If this happens, then if I'm zorn, I resign on the spot, and tell them to go bleep themselves.....UFB.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

For all those who say JC17 is taking too long to develop, I refer you to one, Matt Hasselbeck . In his first season with Zorn, (his 3rd season in the NFL), Hasselbeck had a 70.9 QB rating and was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer.

Zorn coached him up, and after that he went to 3 Pro Bowls. The last year Zorn was in Seattle, Hasselbeck had a 91.4 QB rating. Last year, without Zorn, Hasselbeck played 7 games and had a 57.8 QB rating.

What's wrong with waiting to see what Zorn can do with JC17?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So Pat Bowlen and Snyder are just chums helping each other out, at the expense of other team owners?

I don't think so.

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Based on how the Redskins draft in the high rounds, I am 100%, I repeat, 99.9% in favor of trading our draft picks for proven players.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse
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Its time to get off that horse. The Skins first rounders since '99 are:

-Champ Bailey
-LaVarr Arrington
-Chris Samuels
-Rod Gardner
-Patrick Ramsey
-Sean Taylor
-Carlos Rogers
-Jason Campbell
-LaRon Landry

Gardner and Ramsey are the two standout disappointments, and Arrington was a flash in the pan.

6/9 current (ST shouldn't be held against them) NFL starters ain't bad.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 1, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

food for thought couldnt get the after the season strength of schedule :
2008 PROJECTED STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
(which is done before 08 season based onopponents 2007 records)

redskins-12

broncos-29

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

First post, been reading for a long time.
We do not need another QB; we need to protect the one we have. JC can be very successful, like he was during the 1st 8 games last year. Protection = running game=solid defense = wins.

It kills me when I hear the pundits talk about how JC regressed; maybe that had something to do with opponents D in the backfield before he can set up and throw to our wonderful receiving corps. Moss is solid but wears down. Fact is that Danny boy and his meat puppet vinnie have a flawed team. No depth on the OL killed us, no quality receivers after Moss. Why the hell did we draft Davis? wasted pick there.

My opinion how how the draft should go - try to trade down to late teens or twenties and take the best OL, LB, DL available and with acquired picks pick up the rest. If they stay at 13 they MUST go OL (don't be afraid of the fat boy from alabama, great footwork and the Alabama connection with Samuels will help).

Let me know if I'm off base.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 1, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100%. Cutler's good but this team can win with Campbell and they've got too many other holes to fill.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If you think Cutler is sensitive now, let him come here and have a bad game. Let him find out how fast skins fans turn on a qb. Please let this be April Fools...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 1, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

can any one find the strength of schedule for 08 based on 08 opponents wins or losses

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

washington post live gettin ready come maybe they will have sum kinda answers for us

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

WPL does not break news. The hype whatever is current. And if there is nothing current to hype, the bring out their SuperStar Mike Wise........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

We would have to give up too much to get Cutler. Christ!!!! He played in a division in which the winner had an 8-8 record. Look who his competition was!!! Did he play against the Giants 2X, Balt., Pitts., Philly 2X??? Fpr once we need to give JC a shot w/out having to learn a new ofense, and hopefully five him a OL that will give him some time. If Danny boy gets that lil' crybaby from Denver we wont see 8 wins but we'll see Shanahan next year coaching our biys.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

We would have to give up too much to get Cutler. Christ!!!! He played in a division in which the winner had an 8-8 record. Look who his competition was!!! Did he play against the Giants 2X, Balt., Pitts., Philly 2X??? Fpr once we need to give JC a shot w/out having to learn a new ofense, and hopefully five him a OL that will give him some time. If Danny boy gets that lil' crybaby from Denver we wont see 8 wins but we'll see Shanahan next year coaching our biys.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

doeshin, Cutler was a whiny brat before McDaniels was even hired! Have you ever watched him in a presser??? Pathetic....
I've never, ever liked him or his attitude.

Sad to say, I'm supported the Skin through thick and (mainly) thin but if they pull this idiotic trade, I'm outta here. I know many of you will say "good riddance" but I simply cannot take their stupidity anymore. And I'm tired of waiting! Bringing in Cutler will push us back even further - especially since it will signify Zorn is a lame duck coach this season. Not to mention the lack of loyalty on any level by the Skins.

Sickening!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler is the solution, what is the problem?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100%. Cutler's good but this team can win with Campbell and they've got too many other holes to fill.

Posted by: skinswest | April 1, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Posted by: countystyle | April 1, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The irony is if we trade Campbell, he'll be playing in his 7th system in 7 seasons and then after 2009 season he likely won't stick around Denver making him 8 for 8.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And the "If they sign Cutler, I am out of here" posts have begun...

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, I def know Vinnie reads PFT. I can only hope he will follow their advice when/if he has made an offer......

Broncos Refute Cutler’s Claim That He Wasn’t Called
Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 4:52 p.m.
As we mentioned earlier in the day, Broncos (for now) quarterback Jay Cutler is claiming that he didn’t fail to respond to calls and/or texts from coach Josh McDaniels and owner Pat Bowlen because no such calls and/or texts were received.

According to Thomas George of NFL.com, sources close to Bowlen have responded in unequivocal fashion: “We have the phone records.”

But why would the Broncos even engage Cutler on this point? If they’re right, they’ll only potentially scare away teams who might decide they’re interested in making a long-term commitment to a quarterback who might have trouble with the truth.

Of course, it’s not the first misstep the Broncos have made in this case. As one league source put it in eloquent fashion earlier today, “The Broncos should shut up. They are f–king this thing up royally by talking publicly about the situation.”

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler is the solution, what is the problem?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 5:00 PM

Boredom on offense.

(Speaking from a Snyder standpoint)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say, I'm supported the Skin through thick and (mainly) thin but if they pull this idiotic trade, I'm outta here. I know many of you will say "good riddance" ...

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 1, 2009 4:58 PM

That's what we usually say, but for you, Lisa, we'd make an exception. Some of us would say "Wait for me..."

I, personally, don't think I could ever give up on the 'Skins, but a Cutler trade might be enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

leevi, at the cost JC plus a first??

you're not that dim a bulb, this SCREAMS of snyder 2000.

Stupid....just stupid.....I am going on record that if this costs the team their first round pick, I'll hate this, like I hate turnip....and believe me you, I hate turnip......brown sugar, nope, butter, nope...you just can't dress them up......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 1, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

How does this trade scream 2000? in 2000 the Skins drafted Lavar and Samuals with the 2 and 3 overall picks....Then they signed George, Smith and Sanders...who were ALL way past their prime...

Cutler is a 26 year old QB with a career of potential in front of him.....

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind - Wise is on Mesirable Suburban Guy Radio

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DEskinzfan

You are all over it. I agree 100%. Instability has plagued this team for over a decade now. Always looking for the big splash, always chasing the next big name coach, then losing patience after a year or two and trying something else.

Always chasing, never building. Enough.

Build the lines for dominance. Let the system grow and become established. Win in your own division.

Look at the relative stability of the D and what they have been able to accomplish by staying with the same basic system for several years now. You'd think that would be a clue.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I finally agree with something talent evaluator said

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

There is really no reason to drop a team because of a bad trade, or even a series of bad trades.

We cheer for the team and the players, not the owner/gm/coach.

If we get Cutler, I will laugh, shake my head, and still look to see when the 'Skins first preseason game is televised.

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa R

I would like to see some tirades and some character in our locker room after losses. With Campbell all u get is the same ol crap. GENERIC. like the fans of the skins. GENERIC. keep coming back to the same ol CRAP.

Do u have a crush on Campbell? well i don't care if it was Jennifer Anniston QBing the skins, if she can't win against the RAMS at HOME, She gotta go. I don't care if they throw a podium in the locker room, ur suppose to WIN against the RAMS at home. Win by like 20. is that asking for too much? that is where our season turned last year. Campbell was suppose to bring them back to a signature come back win. BUt u know what Campbell was DOING? he was taking plays from the side line...

A great QB would have said, HECK with the side line. i call this, let's make it work... my gosh... i hate campbell, i hate the skins. i hate the DANNY the VINNY and whoever else y...

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Boredom on offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 1, 2009 5:02 PM

The solution to that is replacing Zorn.

But isn't it amazing that Snyder values offense above all, but his team is best on defense? And, in drafting and free agency, he seems to favor the defense.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I finally agree with something talent evaluator said

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 5:04 PM

I probably didn't phrase it the way I meant it. I'll have to go back and reread it now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Doeshin,

You are citing hall of famers, not just great QB's. Campbell, given time and receivers that actually can run the correct routes open the field up enough for Portis to run wild, like he did in the 1st half of the season last year.

If you want a winning team, keep JC upright, have thomas, kelly and davis learn the offense and stay healthy and have the D force more tunrovers. They make the playoffs if this happens.

I'll cast my vote for Zorn & JC.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

This blog is the only place I see that people say it would be a dumb trade for the Skins.....

Evryone I've seen report on this thinks the Skins is a great place for Cutler and the Skins need him.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

SammyT1 - A) you say campbell has no excuses; you don't think a little continuity in the offensive scheme might help him out? Two schemes with Gibbs (Gibbs and the schmo from KC fighting about whether to pass or power run)?

And FYI - we don't have a # 2 this year.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | April 1, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:03 PM


It's like 2000 because it's a boneheaded move that does not address the obvious needs of the team, but grabs sensational headlines and sells jerseys. Cutler isn't going to solve our problems like doing something really UN-sexy and building our lines and LB corps. A little stability would go along way.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It's like 2000 because it's a boneheaded move that does not address the obvious needs of the team, but grabs sensational headlines and sells jerseys. Cutler isn't going to solve our problems like doing something really UN-sexy and building our lines and LB corps. A little stability would go along way.


Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Whio is to say they dont adress other needs later?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Washington last year faced on average a 16.375 ranked scoring defense, with 6 games against top 5 defenses, the key difference. Denver last year faced on average a 17.5625 ranked scoring defense last year, and had 0 games against top 5 defenses. Cutler here would drown. If we get Cutler (or Sanchez)and do anything but dangle him for bait I'll be highly disappointed.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 1, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:03 PM


It's like 2000 because it's a boneheaded move that does not address the obvious needs of the team, but grabs sensational headlines and sells jerseys. Cutler isn't going to solve our problems like doing something really UN-sexy and building our lines and LB corps. A little stability would go along way.


Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall they did not address thier needs in 2000...They drafted a LB and Tackle with the 2nd and 3rd over all pick. They added some players they didnt need in FA.....but they did address the two major needs in the draft that year....

It was brad Johnson who didnt come back and play the way he did the year before....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

okay DE skinzfan

I am not citing hall of famers in JC. I can't remember the last come from behind victory that he had. A drive to end the game a.la Pitt in Super Bowl recently. Ben Roth made that happen. Is Ben Roth statistically on PAR with JC? Was Randell El Not with the steelers for a Super Bowl? oh gosh... i am sick of saying we have given Campbell enough time, he is Never going to pan out more than below average QB in the NFL.

Okay! let's keep JC... KEEP! JC!!!!

let's have another 7 - 9 season. yes!!!

7 - 9 with JC next year.

and DE skinz... me personally, i just think Cutler is more interesting to watch play than JC... excruciating.

And. maybe the protection is JC's Fault. Audible to a quick hit... Release the ball faster. take chances with a throw. if he keeps not making throws into coverage, OF course the Receivers will not run their routes fully... u don't agree with that? gosh... 4 - 5 years is a long time to come around as QB... a serviceable above average QB

Hail.

Posted by: doeshin | April 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when a move that actually makes sense presents itself, the majority of you are against it? Who in their right mind wouldn't rather have Cutler over Campbell? I like Campbell, I think he is talented and a nice guy but he is nowhere near the caliber of quarterback that Cutler already is and has the potential to be. Campbell is a middle of the pack quarterback at best in this league. Cutler is coming off a pro bowl season in which his team went through about 100 running backs and his defense was so bad they always were playing from behind. I am not interested in watching the Redskins and Campbell sputter through another year of mediocrity to then have to go into next offseason having to find ANOTHER option at quarterback. It is the most important position on the team people! Acquiring Cutler would signal the end to the revolving door at quarterback we have had for the last 20 years. If the price is right we would be foolish to not make the move. Get it done Boy Wonder/Eyeballs!

Posted by: stumptown1682 | April 1, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Even better, let's get an overrated AFC quarterback and go 4-12! yes!!!

Posted by: swowra | April 1, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Campbell lovers: "Campbell would be great if he is given time in the pocket, great receivers, a chance to play in the same system over multiple seasons, ambient temperatures between 58 and 70 degrees with no wind on game days, and Gatorade or G2 chilled just right."

It's never going to be perfect. Good QBs make a way when things break down. But I hope and pray that Campbell stays here and that everything is as "perfect" as it can be next season - tight O-line play, great run game, healthy & sharp pass catchers, short fields from d-created TOs, etc. - so that there can be no more excuses.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 1, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Jim Zorn, Joe Gibbs, the ghost of Vince Lombardi, and God put out a joint statement, saying "only the Mayor of Nitwit City would make that move right now."

Posted by: alex35332

I know the Big Guy can multitask, but I really think (and hope and pray) He's focusing on more important things than a dumb NFL trade.

Altho looking at the state of the World...

Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

That said, Alex. I agree with you

Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Evryone I've seen report on this thinks the Skins is a great place for Cutler and the Skins need him.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:10 PM

And everyone I've seen thinks JC17 is a solid QB with potential. Strangely, only Skins fans have negative things to say about JC17.

But I can see why the outside world, which loves to dog Snyder for going after flashy players with big money, would love to see this drama unfold. It would cement the Skins in the basement of the NFC east, ensuring 10 more years of mediocrity. It would proved the Snyder-bashers right that the Skins are the NY Yankees of football, and would rather buy flavor-of-the-day players then develop their own.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Look, the fact is that Campbell is absolutely not the kind of QB to fit what Zorn wants to do.

Cutler is a lot closer to the prot-typical QB for Zorn's system.

I have no idea what I'm talking about so don't call me out on any specifics.

Posted by: isnadd | April 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

stump your just like danny and vinny always lookin in yur neighbors yard at how green the grass is what you dont realize is yur neighbors yard (DENVER) doesnt have a dog (dallas jints and igglez) playing in it that tends to turn the grass to dirt real quick

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"i love Jason, but i'm really sick and tired of his slingshot/slow as molasses release." -ralston21

That's what SHE said.

Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Whio is to say they dont adress other needs later?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:13 PM |

We need to start addressing those needs now.

It's very possible that the entire O-Line will be new faces in two years (counting Dock as new) Our starting LBs could all be new faces by then as well. Portis will be 28 in Sept. The NFL record is not kind to RB's over 30 - especially considering the pounding he has taken AND given out. Both our starting DE's could be gone, and Grif is 32 and always has a banged up shoulder.

We have a QB who has shown he is worth another year in the same system for the first time in his life.

...And I don't hear Zorn saying he needs a new QB.

We have so few picks, let's address problems we do have, instead of ones we're not sure of. The Cutler deal will probably involve picks this year and/or next we should not be offering for the reasons stated above.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

+++My hope is that this offense will expand and tailor to the personnel. Zorn now knows what he is working with and should be much better at handling his responsibilities this season.

Posted by: matthewvickers+++

It will be an interesting offense, based on Thomas running the wrong patterns, Davis asleep in his motel room, and Kelly sitting in the whirlpool with his bum knee.

I'm being smartazz, but this whole idea that Zorn benched these guys out of spite and should have played them no matter how inept or unprepared they were is silly, IMO.

Posted by: TheCork | April 1, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I want a quarterback that calls out his defense ("We really can’t stop anybody, and that’s the bottom line.") after he throws 2 picks in a game. We need passion! Screw being a good teammate!

I want a quarterback that asks to be traded after his position coach is let go, then throws a hissy fit and refuses to talk to anyone when the new head coach actually listens to offers for him. We need a QB that knows he's the most important person in the stadium! Screw being a good teammate!

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Even then Guru would say we should do it.
__________________________________________

Where has our little buddy been? Not a single JC rant in days.

Damien = the Anti Christ
Sports Guru = the Anti Campbell

...cue creepy music....

Posted by: tripz | April 1, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

NO NO NO a thousand times NO to Jay Cutler. WHY would we want another crybaby/primadonna with NO playoff experience? This move would set the Skins back 3 years.

Posted by: dah1963 | April 1, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I just saw PTI......

LOL So most on this blog who think Cutler is no good...well you finally got a public figure to agree with you.....

You and Wilbon AGREE! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

And I don't hear Zorn saying he needs a new QB.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Well DUH!...Of course the coach is NOT going to say something like that...you have to support who you have...but your not behind closed doors so you and I both have no idea how the coach feels about his QB.....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"You and Wilbon AGREE! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Dude, again statistics don't lie. From various sources including ESPN, SI, et al. Its not that Cutler is "bad". He's just not as good as Campbell.

Let's put it another way, Campbell still has a significant upside. Cutler has probably reaches his pinnacle.

I'm sorry but TDs to INTs ratio stat is the key one for drafting QBs and judging them.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn would be out of the loop on a Cutler deal because the deal isn't about Cutler. Its about Shanahan!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm Jason ...

You've got Zorn, and you've got Vinnie but without Snidely? He will go off on his own without worrying about it being sanctioned by either of the guys you listed.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Well DUH!...Of course the coach is NOT going to say something like that...you have to support who you have...but your not behind closed doors so you and I both have no idea how the coach feels about his QB.....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:42 PM

...but we know for sure how the Bronco's coach feels about their whiney QB, since he was lusting after Matt Cassel!

I wish the Eagles would get Cutler.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Finally, yes they would be better off drafting Sanchez than picking up Cutler and I think Vinnie, at least, knows that. Sanchez may have a significantly higher potential upside than Stafford.

With 2 QBs like Campbell and Sanchez you are set for 3-4 years ... until the QB controversies start ... and that will be when Jennifer "Kathy Lee" Montana, 'the uber-cougar' shows up?


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"You and Wilbon AGREE! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Dude, again statistics don't lie. From various sources including ESPN, SI, et al. Its not that Cutler is "bad". He's just not as good as Campbell.

Let's put it another way, Campbell still has a significant upside. Cutler has probably reaches his pinnacle.

I'm sorry but TDs to INTs ratio stat is the key one for drafting QBs and judging them.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

So stats Don't lie.....Campbell's QB rating was not as good as Cutler's QB rating ...

Cutler threw down filed all the time...Campbell hardly ever....Campbell dinks and dunks all his throws...hence not as many INTs...but how bout in the redzone...where Cutler was steller and Campbell was horrible of the course of his career...

...here is Cutlers career this far and Campbells career thus far.

Your right stats don't lie.......

Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9597

Campbell

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler is a 26 year old QB with a career of potential in front of him.....

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Look at the stats. Cutler has reached his pinnacle, in fact in terms of the INT's to TDs ratio he has gotten worst. Campbell continues to improve.

Campbell is much more mobile.

Campbell is the one with the upside not Cutler. Why do you think McDaniel checked into getting Cassel? He went about it in a really stupid way but I think he was right.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Put yourself in Vinny's shoes. Your team is spending more $$ than anyone in NFL history. You drafted 10 guys in 2008 and 1 succeeded. You dealt 2 more 2009 picks for Jason Taylor, a bust. You are tied at the hip to Jim Zorn. Even with the major signings in the offseason, you know that you haven't made major improvements in the team since talent also left the building and several key positions got older, not better. Relative to your division rivals, you've not gained much ground.

You NEED to win at some point in order to keep your job.

What can you do? Take the demotion and have a 'Gibbs-like' figure come in as president/coach. Shanahan. It unties you from the 2009 results if they are bad. Its bad for Zorn, who gets demoted in the process.

But for Vinny to keep an NFL paycheck after 2009, this is his best chance.

This is why the Skins are likely in the hunt for Cutler. Its about Vinny keeping his job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Well DUH!...Of course the coach is NOT going to say something like that...you have to support who you have...but your not behind closed doors so you and I both have no idea how the coach feels about his QB.....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:42 PM

...but we know for sure how the Bronco's coach feels about their whiney QB, since he was lusting after Matt Cassel!

I wish the Eagles would get Cutler.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY and you saw the resul;t of Denvers coach openly dealing his QB.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Your right? look at the stats.......LOL

Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9597

Campbell

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is why the Skins are likely in the hunt for Cutler. Its about Vinny keeping his job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM

I don't think Vinnie's opinion matters in the least on this matter. This has Snyders fingerprints all over it. He makes these calls.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler is the next Jeff George...

Posted by: ccollier123 | April 1, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler is a 26 year old QB with a career of potential in front of him.....

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Look at the stats. Cutler has reached his pinnacle, in fact in terms of the INT's to TDs ratio he has gotten worst. Campbell continues to improve.

Campbell is much more mobile.

Campbell is the one with the upside not Cutler. Why do you think McDaniel checked into getting Cassel? He went about it in a really stupid way but I think he was right.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Why did he want Cassel? Do you follow football? He was the Qb coach in New Englad and groomed Cassel himself...the Qb knows his system and he already trained him how he wants it ran!!!!!!!

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

Campbell more mobile? have you ever seen Cutler play? He throws on the run more often then not!

how has Campbell improved? He still can't score in the redzone....he can't even light it up with a dominate running game behind him....

Sorry we disagree...I want a QB who is a threat NOT a QB who manages the game and gets by.

STATS between both ..posting once again!

Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9597

Campbell

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Bears Bucs jets lions panthers and skins

Mort really thinks he is coming here

uh oh

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 1, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The right direction for this team is to load up on defense with their high draft pick. Then use the rest to upgrade the OL.

The offense should be about playing carefully and not making mistakes that take you out of the game. We have enough talent to put reasonable points on the board without taking significant risks.

On defense, we need to be elite. Pittsburgh/Baltimore elite. Albert moves us in that direction, but an LB like Curry would probably get us there (barring injuries ... since our depth is suspect)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Cutler is terrible...he was 2nd in the NFL with 4th OT TDS...in between rivers and Brees...


yeah he sucks...LOL man this blog kills me!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Our defense has several top talents.
Albert, Fletcher, Hall and Landry are all Pro Bowl level talents. Horton, Rogers, Golston (if he signs again) are all solid players. Carter, Daniels, Wynn, Griffin, Rocky are all serviceable.

Add Curry to the mix and I think we've got an elite defense in 2009 (top LBs have contributed immediately -- Mayo and Willis both had big rookie seasons)

In 2009, we'll need to win with defense. Which is why I'm not interested in Cutler unless Shanahan is right behind him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

LOL man this blog kills me!


If your defense sucks, why do you continue to throw picks and put them in a bad spot? EVERY GAME that he threw two or more picks they LOST. That's 1/4 of the regular season gone. Better decision making on his part would have put them in the playoffs.

No thanks. 18 picks by a QB in the NFC East will get your @ss on the trading block too.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@leevi98

The Broncos did have a running game. STATS(!) say they had the 2nd highest YPC in the league. So, that's a running game.

Also, I wonder if Cutler can play in a more disciplined system like Zorn's when he does have a better defense.

I don't know how you can't say Campbell has improved when you look at the STATS(!) such as completion %, rating, TD:INT ratio, etc. etc.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler is a 26 year old QB with a career of potential in front of him.....

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Look at the stats. Cutler has reached his pinnacle, in fact in terms of the INT's to TDs ratio he has gotten worst. Campbell continues to improve.

Campbell is much more mobile.

Campbell is the one with the upside not Cutler. Why do you think McDaniel checked into getting Cassel? He went about it in a really stupid way but I think he was right.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse


Why did he want Cassel? Do you follow football? He was the Qb coach in New Englad and groomed Cassel himself...the Qb knows his system and he already trained him how he wants it ran!!!!!!!

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

Campbell more mobile? have you ever seen Cutler play? He throws on the run more often then not!

how has Campbell improved? He still can't score in the redzone....he can't even light it up with a dominate running game behind him....

Sorry we disagree...I want a QB who is a threat NOT a QB who manages the game and gets by.

STATS between both ..posting once again!

Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9597

Campbell

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Cutler is terrible...he was 2nd in the NFL with 4th OT TDS...in between rivers and Brees...


yeah he sucks...LOL man this blog kills me!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I would appreciate it if when you posts quotes from me...Don't take my opinions context and cut and paste two different posts to make it sound how you want it to look to form your response.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

LOL man this blog kills me!


If your defense sucks, why do you continue to throw picks and put them in a bad spot? EVERY GAME that he threw two or more picks they LOST. That's 1/4 of the regular season gone. Better decision making on his part would have put them in the playoffs.

No thanks. 18 picks by a QB in the NFC East will get your @ss on the trading block too.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler is a 26 year old QB with a career of potential in front of him.....

How is it like 2000?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

Look at the stats. Cutler has reached his pinnacle, in fact in terms of the INT's to TDs ratio he has gotten worst. Campbell continues to improve.

Campbell is much more mobile.

Campbell is the one with the upside not Cutler. Why do you think McDaniel checked into getting Cassel? He went about it in a really stupid way but I think he was right.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse


Why did he want Cassel? Do you follow football? He was the Qb coach in New Englad and groomed Cassel himself...the Qb knows his system and he already trained him how he wants it ran!!!!!!!

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

Campbell more mobile? have you ever seen Cutler play? He throws on the run more often then not!

how has Campbell improved? He still can't score in the redzone....he can't even light it up with a dominate running game behind him....

Sorry we disagree...I want a QB who is a threat NOT a QB who manages the game and gets by.

STATS between both ..posting once again!

Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9597

Campbell

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Cutler is terrible...he was 2nd in the NFL with 4th OT TDS...in between rivers and Brees...


yeah he sucks...LOL man this blog kills me!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I would appreciate it if when you posts quotes from me...Don't take my opinions context and cut and paste two different posts to make it sound how you want it to look to form your response.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | April 1, 2009 4:49 PM

Thanks for pointing that out, Alan. I think Zorn's coaching will help Campbell just as much as it did Hassleback.

Who is Oh, only the offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach from New England (2005-2008).

Do you think the guy knows anything about quarterbacks? What is he thinking? He f'ed up and as a result, Jay wants out. What's wrong, Jay? Welcome to the NFL, a business. Be a good team leader and lead your team. Totally not the type of 'leader' I want on the Redskins, let alone leading them on drives.

But I think at the end of the day, McDaniels knows what he wants and what he doesn't want. After all, his offense set an NFL record 589 points in 2007. Oh and then he orchestrated an '11-5 record with quarterback Matt Cassel, the only known NFL quarterback ever to start an NFL game without ever starting at quarterback in college.'

In JC17 we trust

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah your right Cutler threw more picks...but when your defense is the worst in the league and your always having to Keep up in terms of scoring...you must go down filed alot and open things up...Especially when you have NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!

If your defense sucks, why do you continue to throw picks and put them in a bad spot? EVERY GAME that he threw two or more picks they LOST. That's 1/4 of the regular season gone. Better decision making on his part would have put them in the playoffs.

No thanks. 18 picks by a QB in the NFC East will get your @ss on the trading block here too.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:14 PM


There...is that better for you?

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@leevi98

The Broncos did have a running game. STATS(!) say they had the 2nd highest YPC in the league. So, that's a running game.

Also, I wonder if Cutler can play in a more disciplined system like Zorn's when he does have a better defense.

I don't know how you can't say Campbell has improved when you look at the STATS(!) such as completion %, rating, TD:INT ratio, etc. etc.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Denver did not even have a RB in the top 41 backs in the league..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=yds&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008


BTW Cutler was just in a west coast system under Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Your right? look at the stats.......LOL"

Kind of like SportsGuru aren't you?

Oh well Snidely is just as bad I suppose:

You are looking at the basic stats like:

Cutler: 62.5 completion percentage and 54 TDs in 37 games. Campbell: 35 TDs and a 59.7 completion percentage.

Cutler wins.

The ratings show 87.1 for Cutler to 80.4 for Campbell.

Cutler wins.

Let's look deeper ...

Your hero Cutler: 54 TDs 37 INTs 1.4 ratio
Campbell: 35 TDs 23 INTS 1.5 ratio

Campbell wins.

THIS PAST YEAR:
Cutler 25 TDs 18 INTs = 1.3
(worst than his overall)
Campbell 13 TDs 6 INTs = 2.1
(much improved, no?)

Campbell wins.

Cutler 16 fumbles 5 lost
Campbell 6 fumbles 1 lost

Campbell wins.

Cutler 113 att for 423 yds
3.7 yds / carry

Campbell 107 att for 550 yds
5.1 yds / carry

Campbell wins. Especially given the dearth
of fumbles.

Now let's compare trends ...

Cutler
5->14->18 INTs
Definite upward trend ...

Campbell:
6->11->6 INTs
Decline to leveling off.

Campbell wins.

Cutler a TD every 22.5 passing attempts.
Campbell a TD every 32.2 passing attempts.

Cutler wins.

THIS YEAR: Cutler TD every 24.6 attempts.
Campbell TD every 38.9 attempts.

Cutler wins.

Cutler averages 7.4 yds per completion.
Campbell averages 6.4 yds per completion.

Cutler wins.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

its ammazin how many of you are spittin out sportscenter points and tryin to take credit

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 75
Alert: None

Comment: Cutler became the starting quarterback during his rookie season. He needs some work on focusing on the game and not allowing outside distractions to throw him off his game. When he is focused and things are going well he can be dominating with his arm strength and ability to throw through small windows. He is mentally as well as physically tough and has the ability to remain calm under pressure, when he stays focused. He is a decent athlete with adequate scrambling skills, but is not going to turn a potential sack into a long gain too many times. He has the ability to throw on the move and can pull the trigger to get the ball off extremely quickly when the right color jersey flashes. He does have a tendency to try to force too many passes as is evidenced by his 14 interceptions. As he continues to learn to read coverages and improve his understanding of Denver's passing game, he should cut down on his number of mistakes and eventually become a top-level quarterback for a long time.


Jason Campbell
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74
Alert: None

Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Campbell wins. Fewer mistakes, fewer turnovers, better mobility, stronger arm, much greater potential future upside.

Campbell is a better bet to be a future elite franchise QB period.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

jesus in za, How can you look at Campbells stars and say he hasn't improved each year? Is there a new definition of improvement that I am unaware of?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Funny, but that scouting report where Cutler grades a 75 and Campbell a 74 says it for me. A wash. Why bother?

Unless you look at other stuff.

Cutler carries a big paycheck now, Campbell, a small one for a starting QB.

Campbell isn't locked into a long term deal, Cutler is.

The other issue is Shanahan -- and that's where this isn't a wash. Zorn isn't Shanahan by a long shot. So if its Cutler + Shanahan, I'm for it. Even though the vote up here was 13-5 for Zorn+Campbell over Cutler+Shanahan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

@leevi

Denver did not even have a RB in the top 41 backs in the league..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=yds&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008

BTW Cutler was just in a west coast system under Mike Shanahan.
=======

So now that I've shown Denver has a running game you're changing your argument to they don't have a running back in the top 41? That's weaksauce that just kills your own argument. It goes to show that they could plug just about anyone in there and have a dominant running attack with a 2nd in the NFL YPC. Care to take a guess what Portis's YPC was in the second half after the OL collapsed?

Also, Zorn's WCO would require more discipline since his team has a defense and doesn't have to play to Cutler's desire to take risks to keep things close. Don't think for a second Zorn would just toss him the ball and say, "Let's just have some fun out there". He'd still say, "Be smart, stay medium."

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Vinnie's opinion matters in the least on this matter. This has Snyders fingerprints all over it. He makes these calls.
Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:01 PM

Yeah, definitely.

its ammazin how many of you are spittin out sportscenter points and tryin to take credit
Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:30 PM

I callz it like I see it. Or at least cite my references.

Hey, don't call Jay Cutler any names, you'll hurt his feelings.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

does everyone remember how campbell was like god at week 7 and 8 what a difference 6 mos make!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I hate the way the Skins in the off-season have devolved into a fish outta water..They should stay put, don't trade away picks unless it's a helluva lot more certain than J.Taylor or J. Cutler..I'd like to see Colt back there anyway, he can evade the rush better'n both Campbell and Cutler, a necessity in the NFC East..Save the picks, obtain shiny new beast for the line (best player at 13, O or D-line)..

Posted by: frak | April 1, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

clinton portis IM screen name.......
diego moralez

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

clinton portis IM screen name.......
diego moralez

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"Your right? look at the stats.......LOL"

Kind of like SportsGuru aren't you?

Oh well Snidely is just as bad I suppose:

You are looking at the basic stats like:

Cutler: 62.5 completion percentage and 54 TDs in 37 games. Campbell: 35 TDs and a 59.7 completion percentage.

Cutler wins.

The ratings show 87.1 for Cutler to 80.4 for Campbell.

Cutler wins.

Let's look deeper ...

Your hero Cutler: 54 TDs 37 INTs 1.4 ratio
Campbell: 35 TDs 23 INTS 1.5 ratio

Campbell wins.

THIS PAST YEAR:
Cutler 25 TDs 18 INTs = 1.3
(worst than his overall)
Campbell 13 TDs 6 INTs = 2.1
(much improved, no?)

Campbell wins.

Cutler 16 fumbles 5 lost
Campbell 6 fumbles 1 lost

Campbell wins.

Cutler 113 att for 423 yds
3.7 yds / carry

Campbell 107 att for 550 yds
5.1 yds / carry

Campbell wins. Especially given the dearth
of fumbles.

Now let's compare trends ...

Cutler
5->14->18 INTs
Definite upward trend ...

Campbell:
6->11->6 INTs
Decline to leveling off.

Campbell wins.

Cutler a TD every 22.5 passing attempts.
Campbell a TD every 32.2 passing attempts.

Cutler wins.

THIS YEAR: Cutler TD every 24.6 attempts.
Campbell TD every 38.9 attempts.

Cutler wins.

Cutler averages 7.4 yds per completion.
Campbell averages 6.4 yds per completion.

Cutler wins.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

So if the overall career stats mean nothing as you say...Then how do they determine who is in the Hall? Or how you did in your career?

you breaking down each stat does not determine who the better QB is...First off...Its about winsd and losses and both have not done well and with different cicumstances....

i still feel Cutler is better and has more upside...You disagree you think Campbell does....so there ya go.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

does everyone remember how campbell was like god at week 7 and 8 what a difference 6 mos make!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I never have...i think the blog can say thats true cause i have been arguing about Campbell for two years! In fact I thought Campbell played well in a few games but he was NOT the reason they were 6 and 2...PORTIS WAS!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is an NFC east QB. Let's keep it that way.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line leevi98 YOU DON'T SWITCH HORSES unless you can get a potential HOF Denver QB, and that would mean Cutler would have to change his name to John Elway. AND JOE GIBBS could have had Elway, instead he stuck with Rypien and won another superbowl. Go figure?

Campbell is the better athlete with a significantly better upside over the long run. Cutler is not worth turning your franchise upside down to get him.

Now, if you have NO QB, or a very poor one that would be a different story entirely.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Save the picks, obtain shiny new beast for the line (best player at 13, O or D-line)..

Posted by: frak | April 1, 2009 6:43 PM

It's so obvious, yet it eludes so many...

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

yes you do mathew i agree with you but i aint gonna name names the culprits no who they are i just found it funny im watchin sportscenter i hear a stat referin to cutler and as soon as i hit refresh boom sumone usin 4 their arguement like they just thought about it and then mar schlereth refers to him as he could be like jeff george with all the talent but never reaches it and then i hit refresh and sumone says cutler is jeff george like its their own independant thought!!!
lol

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"he was NOT the reason they were 6 and 2...PORTIS WAS!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

The Redskins got Portis from Denver too ... :)

I would say it was the OL, then Portis, and then only 2 wide receivers.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

@leevi

Denver did not even have a RB in the top 41 backs in the league..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=yds&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008

BTW Cutler was just in a west coast system under Mike Shanahan.
=======

So now that I've shown Denver has a running game you're changing your argument to they don't have a running back in the top 41? That's weaksauce that just kills your own argument. It goes to show that they could plug just about anyone in there and have a dominant running attack with a 2nd in the NFL YPC. Care to take a guess what Portis's YPC was in the second half after the OL collapsed?

Also, Zorn's WCO would require more discipline since his team has a defense and doesn't have to play to Cutler's desire to take risks to keep things close. Don't think for a second Zorn would just toss him the ball and say, "Let's just have some fun out there". He'd still say, "Be smart, stay medium."

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

First of all I am not changing my OPINION...who said anything about an "argument" if you want to boast that they were 12th overall in rushing..then good your right 12 is ok....

Now what about putting Cutler on a team with the 8th overall rushing team and the 4th overall threat in Portis?

Don't ya think every coach wants their QB to be smart with the ball? Also I'd say if a coach knows his QB can get it done downfield...It would be called more....In fact I've heard both gibbs and Zorn mention they called plays downfiled but It didn't work out...Go figure...


You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"he was NOT the reason they were 6 and 2...PORTIS WAS!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009"

The Redskins got Portis from Denver too ... :)

I would say it was the OL, then Portis, and then only 2 wide receivers.


Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah it is a team Sport....The line was blocking really well early...But teams started stacking up and keyiong on the running game...They knew Campbell could not beat them....or at least they thought until he proves he can....and he never did.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98

whats an 'opion'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to Kevin Shehan today on the radio and he made a point about Cutler. He said the way he has handled this whole situation is "immature". I agree. Jay Cutler has been crying about this and being very immature. Compare to Jason Campbell. The same thing is happening to him. Trade rumors are going around about him for cutler, yet he isnt making this media "my feelings are hurt" ploy. Dont need or want Cutler. Campbells last year and Im standing behind him for his last chance. he deserves it.

Posted by: erleach | April 1, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

yes you do mathew i agree with you but i aint gonna name names the culprits no who they are i just found it funny im watchin sportscenter i hear a stat referin to cutler and as soon as i hit refresh boom sumone usin 4 their arguement like they just thought about it and then mar schlereth refers to him as he could be like jeff george with all the talent but never reaches it and then i hit refresh and sumone says cutler is jeff george like its their own independant thought!!!
lol

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Of course your referring to me....but how is it wrong to see a stat on TV and then relay it to the blog? How is that different from everybody in the world? The stas are there...wether you read it on the stats listed on the web or you see the stats on TV...

Where do you get that I was claiming as my own? That is flat out ridiculous...i was pointing out Cutler was 2nd in the league in 4th QT TDs...

point being I don't think he sucks...but many on here have stated he sucks....so where is the problem?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't ya think every coach wants their QB to be smart with the ball? Also I'd say if a coach knows his QB can get it done downfield...It would be called more....In fact I've heard both gibbs and Zorn mention they called plays downfiled but It didn't work out...Go figure...


You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:52 PM

Glad to hear you are open to new ideas.

And the down field plays not being there are Campbells fault, or the receiver not getting open (or running the right route) or the line not holding up long enough, or the D keeping their safeties back because they knew Portis will never break a long one, but that Campbell to Moss exchange is instant death?

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was not only good during the 1st half of the year, he was excellent. He did bring us back in the 4th quarter about 3 times, never threw a pick and had several TDs taken away by the refs (a couple down by contact without contact, a couple more on penalties unrelated to the play).

Campbell is a good QB. I'm good with the Cutler+Shanahan for Campbell deal, but its not because Campbell can't play at this level. He can and he's proven it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98

whats an 'opion'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow you caught me in a typo where I missed a key....wow...I now see the light of your opinions... I recant everything...Your right. lol

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't ya think every coach wants their QB to be smart with the ball? Also I'd say if a coach knows his QB can get it done downfield...It would be called more....In fact I've heard both gibbs and Zorn mention they called plays downfiled but It didn't work out...Go figure...


You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:52 PM

Glad to hear you are open to new ideas.

And the down field plays not being there are Campbells fault, or the receiver not getting open (or running the right route) or the line not holding up long enough, or the D keeping their safeties back because they knew Portis will never break a long one, but that Campbell to Moss exchange is instant death?


Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

your right Campbell is God and the best QB in the NFL and the team around him has failed him to the point where it shows how Campbell is on another level.....

Damn...your right..trading him would be dumb.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's be real, here. Number 1 - this probably won't happen. That said, you folks who are saying that we should give Soup another year along with Zorn better prepare themselves for another disappointing season.

By this point, it's obvious that Soup is an excellent teammate, great guy and will have a long NFL career, but not as a starter. Let's all remember that Zorn took the OC job without even knowing who he'd be working for, then ends up with the J-O-B. Another great guy, but not a championship coach.

While we probably won't get Cutler and/or Shanahan, we'd be talking a serious upgrade. Also, know there are others on the offensive side of the ball we could move in a trade. Just my 2 cents worth.

Posted by: rastines | April 1, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

look bottom line is ...I have an opinion like everyone on here.

I read stats on both, have watched Cultler and Campbell play...I think Cutler is better...

My opinion ..like it or not :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

NFL Access is saying nothing but Cutler to the Skins....

It appears thats whats going down.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

waiting on an updated blog which there is an interest from the Broncos to trade Cutler to the Redskins and out of the AFC I don't see him going to an AFC Team which makes sense. Also I was listening to the John Thompson show and there was no love for Jason Campbell from the callers . Even after the numbers were compared there wasn't much difference even in wins. Jason Campbell even with the reporter from Comcastsportsnet still takes everything in stride not crying like a baby like Cutler Sad very few of us REAL Redskin Fans who support him. Even Dan Snyder wants Cutler so the deal probably will happen which makes things look even more dim for our current QB JC so it's just a matter of time when the deal gets done may be within 24 hrs as per Chris Mortensen of ESPN so we'll have probably no first round pick this year or next year and what about the line who's going to protect?

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

OK, put down the gun... and back away slowly...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I think you're doing a pretty bang-up job with continuing to change your own opion as it is

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

def keep campbell. there is no more fan favorite on the skins, EVER, than the back up QB. campbell has taken all the public speculation and scrutiny in stride, would cutler?

Posted by: hcicron | April 1, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

your right Campbell is God and the best QB in the NFL and the team around him has failed him to the point where it shows how Campbell is on another level.....

Damn...your right..trading him would be dumb.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:02 PM |

Uh oh. Looks like somebody needs a time-out.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

You won't change my opion so it is what it is

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I think you're doing a pretty bang-up job with continuing to change your own opion as it is

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 1, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

i have not changed my opinion at all...I still think cutler is a better QB than Campbell...you don't agree with my opinion that's your business. so kill yourself to convince me...I really don't care what you think ...but you obviously care what I think.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

your right Campbell is God and the best QB in the NFL and the team around him has failed him to the point where it shows how Campbell is on another level.....

Damn...your right..trading him would be dumb.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:02 PM |

Uh oh. Looks like somebody needs a time-out.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I agree... go take a break so we can get back to talking football news and not trying to change my opinion because you disagree.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

There are other teams with greater QB needs than the Skins. Minn has a bunch of good pieces and Gus Ferrotte. TB let Garcia go and they were in the playoff hunt with him. They need a QB. So do the Jets. So does SF.

In these cases, you look to teams with 2 QBs to make the deal work. Leinart in AZ or Derek Anderson in Cle come to mind. Leftwich if he's still on the Steeler roster.

Those deals all make more sense than the Skins getting Cutler because those teams have a huge hole at QB, we don't.

And while some think this is Danny and not Vinny, Danny isn't doing this without Vinny's (at least lukewarm) approval.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sad very few of us REAL Redskin Fans who support him

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

So now if you do not support Campbell...Your not a "Real Redskin" fan folks.

you heard it here first.....


KOOL AID OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

You can't compare stats between guys that play on different teams with different philosophies, and different schedules. LOOK AT CUTLERS DIVISION!!! He wouldn't have nearly the stats he had last year if he played our schedule!!! Just once let Campbell play in the same system for two years before you cut him loose. We won three Super Bowl without a HOF QB!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Dan Snyder wants Cutler so the deal probably will happen which makes things look even more dim for our current QB JC'

Salary CAP: Cutler has too large an ego to take a cut next year in order to fit in. Doubt that it will ever happen. Plus he knows its going to be very hard to win if he comes here.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

There are other teams with greater QB needs than the Skins. Minn has a bunch of good pieces and Gus Ferrotte. TB let Garcia go and they were in the playoff hunt with him. They need a QB. So do the Jets. So does SF.

In these cases, you look to teams with 2 QBs to make the deal work. Leinart in AZ or Derek Anderson in Cle come to mind. Leftwich if he's still on the Steeler roster.

Those deals all make more sense than the Skins getting Cutler because those teams have a huge hole at QB, we don't.

And while some think this is Danny and not Vinny, Danny isn't doing this without Vinny's (at least lukewarm) approval.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah those are good points...i see that too....

Just all the reports do not seem to go that way...

From what I've read and seem Denver wants that pick.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder wants Cutler so the deal probably will happen which makes things look even more dim for our current QB JC'

Salary CAP: Cutler has too large an ego to take a cut next year in order to fit in. Doubt that it will ever happen. Plus he knows its going to be very hard to win if he comes here.

Posted by: periculum | April 1, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the cap is a very interesting subject....How would they do it...is definitely curious

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

You can't compare stats between guys that play on different teams with different philosophies, and different schedules. LOOK AT CUTLERS DIVISION!!! He wouldn't have nearly the stats he had last year if he played our schedule!!! Just once let Campbell play in the same system for two years before you cut him loose. We won three Super Bowl without a HOF QB!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 1, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Good points...but don't forget about the Hogs for 12 years :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Please don't trade any draft picks! We need O linemen more than Cutler.

Posted by: wwc4g | April 1, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

vegas:"We won three Super Bowl without a HOF QB!!!"

And went to a fourth, and also to an NFC championship game with Jay Schroeder, and trained Stan Humphries well enough to take San Diego to a Super Bowl... that Joe Gibbs coaching staff was better than anybody knew.

Heck, Gibbs took the Skins to the playoffs with Todd Collins at QB,

Posted by: Samson151 | April 1, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Love how people try to make age an issue, Campbell is only 16 months older then Cutler. Apparently 26 years of promise 27 washed up.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 1, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!

YOU ARE ALL APRIL FOOLS; VERBATIM, NOT A EUPHEMISM. Otherwise, while would anyone even buy the Cutler idea. Snyder is not that stupid.

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 1, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The teams that make the most sense for Cutler are Tampa, the Jets, and Minnesota. Of course Miami has a shot -- their QB situation is temporary only. Doubt Parcells would want Cutler, however.

Don't be put off too far by the guy's whining. He smells the Super Bowl slipping farther and farther away. Whoever does play QB in Denber has a great opportunity, with those receivers. And this is a strong year for running backs.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 1, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh. Looks like somebody needs a time-out.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I agree... go take a break so we can get back to talking football news and not trying to change my opinion because you disagree.

Ouch! kitty has claws.

I like your game though. Post stupid comments, act like an arrogant turd, hold others in disdain because you are soooo much smarter, then change your mind when the facts get a little inconvenient, then justify the whole thing with "hey, it's just my (stupid) opinion".

You're a waste of text and time. But hey, that's just my opinion...

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Heck, Gibbs took the Skins to the playoffs with Todd Collins at QB,

Posted by: Samson151****

I remember Todd Collins taking the Skins to the playoffs, not Gibbs. TC came in for the injured JC, and the offensive team performed at a MUCH higher level. Excusemeisters say that's only due to TC's familiarity with Saunders offensive system. My answer then would be those folks wouldn't mind a fair and open competition to be the starter, since, (in their minds) JC is so much better.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 1, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

redskins just confirmed there interest in campbell

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 1, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

redskins just confirmed there interest in campbell

Campbell is sort of already on the team....

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh. Looks like somebody needs a time-out.

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I agree... go take a break so we can get back to talking football news and not trying to change my opinion because you disagree.

Ouch! kitty has claws.

I like your game though. Post stupid comments, act like an arrogant turd, hold others in disdain because you are soooo much smarter, then change your mind when the facts get a little inconvenient, then justify the whole thing with "hey, it's just my (stupid) opinion".

You're a waste of text and time. But hey, that's just my opinion...

Posted by: edvar | April 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

When did I change my mind? I recall that I think Cutler is a good QB and an upgrade over Campbell....When did my opinion change?

I also disagree with you making insults and attacking me because you disagree with my opinion. That is just great.

I will not even comment on the insults because there is no place for it on here and I see no point in it and it does not back your opinion up at all. you have chosen to go on a personal attack because you disagree with me and could not convince me that your opinion is better than mine.

To each his own..

Posted by: leevi98 | April 1, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

1. JLC's source problem is two-fold. Not only does he not have any sources within the team, he doesn't seem to have any within the entire league save for Mark Maske.

2. Mortensen just said on NFL Live that Snyder would love to have Cutler, and the Skins are the front runner. Hard to believe he would be speculating...thoughts?

Posted by: hehateme | April 1, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Doubt Parcells would want Cutler, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 1, 2009 7:39 PM

This is a joke, right, Samson? Parcells would give up two first round picks for Cutler, knowing that he could trade Cutler to the 'Skins for about six first round picks, plus a few seconds.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 1, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

My take. I see no upside in Cutler over Campbell, but a downside in salary. Shanahan over Zorn, different story. Unproven leader vs guy with rings.

What I don't see is how Cutler would fit into a coherent plan without Shanahan.

In 2009, its win with defense and play mistake free offense. Campbell has proven he can do that very well, even without an OL or much in terms of WRs. Cutler is the high risk, high reward guy. Not a good fit unless you have a different coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, zz, this is where I am coming down also. If there was some guarantee that Shany was coming to DC, I'd be in agreement. I like JZ, but he is just learning. It may take too long, he may run out of time. Shany would be a definite upgrade at HC. I'm not sold on Cutler. I really like JCamp. But Shany would make me tilt toward the trade, not for 09, but for the long term.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 1, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot to add, we should not in any way part with #13.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 1, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Is this post an April Fool's joke or what?

I love the Washington Redskins, but shenanigans like this--if true--really test common sense and loyalty.

You wonder just what is true and real about the team. You hope for some familiar faces, schemes, and a front office that says one thing and does that one thing.

Moe will be upset if Cutler becomes a redskin--a fit of anger that will last for the lenght of a day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

'...We suck....'

No.

The FO sucks.

So if they don't land Cutler, they have to draft Sanchez as Campbell is gone regardless of the type of year he has.

The children have taken over the play yard. Why can't the team try to make the Cutler move on the down low so if it all blows up, it can save face.

Sheeeesh...and Vinny and the gang say they're professionals.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 1, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Word on the street is that cutler is a bit of a boozer perhaps even an alcoholic.Anyone else heard this?

Posted by: mark65 | April 2, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

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