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Posted at 3:57 PM ET, 02/22/2011

Atogwe leaves Redskins Park without signing

By Mike Jones

Free agent safety Oshiomogho Atogwe had a good meeting with Washington Redskins' coaches and officials today in Ashburn, but the six-year NFL veteran left Redskins Park without signing a contract, according to two sources with knowledge of the situation.

Atogwe is a free agent after being released last Friday by the St. Louis Rams, who sought to avoid paying him an $8 million bonus. Atogwe is believed to be an ideal fit for the Redskins' system, and a move to Washington would reunite him with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett, who held the same position in St. Louis from 2006 to 2008.

It's unclear if the Redskins extended an offer to Atogwe today. Regardless, the player told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Friday that he hasn't ruled out a return to the Rams and that he intends to take his time and weigh all his options before making a decision on his future.

Around 4 p.m. Tuesday, Atogwe tweeted, "Redskins are a great organization. Enjoyed my time there today..."

Because no team holds his rights, Atogwe is free to sign anywhere now rather than have to wait until the official free agency signing period, which won't commence until there is a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Redskins are in the market for a free safety after starter Kareem Moore endured an injury-plagued season that caused him to miss the first two and the final two games. Moore tore ligaments in his right knee during the preseason and had surgery. He never fully recovered and was ineffective much of the year before winding up on the injured reserve list Dec. 29 and in need of a second surgery. The three-year veteran missed time during his rookie season because of knee surgery as well. The Redskins also still have Reed Doughty, who served as a backup at both safety positions last season.

Atogwe has recorded 22 interceptions in six years. His best season was 2007, when he recorded eight interceptions under Haslett. Last season, Atogwe recorded 73 tackles and three interceptions.

By Mike Jones  | February 22, 2011; 3:57 PM ET
 
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Comments

So? Maybe theyre waiting til after the CBA?? A year without football is like a year without....MONEY!!!

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

tweet by OJ

ojrams21 Oshiomogho Atogwe
Redskins are a great organization. Enjoyed my time there today...
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Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

No need to rush things, I'm sure Bruce has his agents contact info. If the FO wants him we have the means to sign him.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 22, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Newton's agent needs to nail him to a chair right now and drill him on answering the Qs he's going to get at combine. 0-2 just today

Cam Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

That one got away. D*m it! He wont be back.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 22, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

We should have signed him today so we could trade him for draft picks.

That's how you build a winner.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 22, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What I learned this week from TOP GEAR

Keep this in mind if you go to Albania. The word "car" in whatever the hell language they speak over there means--according to Jeremy Clarkson--"Gentleman's sausage."

Posted by: TheCork | February 22, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

That one got away. D*m it! He wont be back.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 22, 2011 4:29 PM

He's off to visit the Bills. The days of Snyder not letting players leave town without a contract over.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Newton's agent needs to nail him to a chair right now and drill him on answering the Qs he's going to get at combine. 0-2 just today

Cam Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

co-sign -- not sure whether its funny or sad that he thinks he can get away with saying stuff like that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a disaster!

Do you realize that, now, we have to assume that this guy will have to be locked-out by some other team instead of the Redskins?

Because of this, he will have to walk a picket line in a completely different city!

I don't know how the rest of his erstwhile locked-out teammates are going to challenge for the title of most expensive locked-out team without his salary added to the Redskins total of salaries that are not going to be paid this season.

I don't know if I will be able to recover knowing that, this fall, I could be not-watching Oshiomogho Atogwe not playing for the Redskins. Instead, he will be not-playing for a completely different group of fans somewhere else.

I do not want to live!

Kevin Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | February 22, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What I learned this week from TOP GEAR

Keep this in mind if you go to Albania. The word "car" in whatever the hell language they speak over there means--according to Jeremy Clarkson--"Gentleman's sausage."

Posted by: TheCork | February 22, 2011 4:33 PM

Hey, Cork -- Too much time on your hands? Take up a hobby. Knitting, tai chi, shuffleboard, building bird houses. What you do's not important, but you need to turn off the TV.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Note that, though: Rex led the Bears, who have one of the best defenses in the league, to a Super Bowl..

We need DEFENSE..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I do not want to live!

Kevin Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | February 22, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Fine by me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Saints are terminating the contract of TE Jeremy Shockey.

How's that treat those in the trade Cooley/Davis contignet?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

He's off to visit the Bills. The days of Snyder not letting players leave town without a contract over.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

CO-SIGN,

iH8dallas

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This is not a surprise (article from Saturday, February 19, 2011).

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/article_3f7a294c-7118-5ba7-b7dd-b1246eb15ed2.html

So Atogwe has a 13-day window to shop the market, but he plans to wait until there's a new labor agreement before doing so.
"I would say I'm just going to take this time to let God speak to me and go from there," Atogwe said. "I am going to wait till the market opens and then go from there."

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

How's that treat those in the trade Cooley/Davis contignet?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:52 PM

Trade Cooley/Davis to New Orleans! Let the bidding begin! Either one for a third, both for a second!

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Saints are terminating the contract of TE Jeremy Shockey.

How's that treat those in the trade Cooley/Davis contignet?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Shockey has always been overrated.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Fear not, fans... if we don't sign him I hear Justin Bieber is available!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 22, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

No need to rush things, I'm sure Bruce has his agents contact info. If the FO wants him we have the means to sign him.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 22, 2011 4:14 PM

Bruce Allen has been participating in the Owners/Players Mediation this weekend and today.

Not only is there no CBA under which Atogwe and the Skins could work out a contract, there is no GM at the Park to do the contract working out.

@Diesel44 re: Newton, the icon. I'm not clicking that icon.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but ....

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

"Not to sound arrogant but" = epic fail

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not clicking that icon.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 4:57 PM

Sounds like you're not clicking anything but yourself today, sween.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 5:00 PM

What is the whole sock puppet thing about anyway?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley/Davis to New Orleans! Let the bidding begin! Either one for a third, both for a second!

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

That's gay.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but ....

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

"Not to sound arrogant but" = epic fail

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 5:00 PM


I've discovered that when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not trying to...", they will proceed to tell you precisely what they are doing.

For example, "I'm not trying to be racist, but...[insert racist insult]."

Another: "I'm not not trying to rush you...[as they push you out the door].

You ought to try this with politicians if you really want to understand what they're doing!

"I'm not trying to infringe on anyone's individual rights...."

Exactly.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Saints are terminating the contract of TE Jeremy Shockey.

How's that treat those in the trade Cooley/Davis contignet?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Shockey has always been overrated.

Posted by: iH8dallas

The Saints played 3 TEs, including a young guy they really like (forget his name). They don't need Shockey, who isn't all that great to begin with.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Saints played 3 TEs, including a young guy they really like (forget his name). They don't need Shockey, who isn't all that great to begin with.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2011 5:13 PM

Jimmy Graham. Former BBall player from the U. Only had one YR of college football.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"So Atogwe has a 13-day window to shop the market, but he plans to wait until there's a new labor agreement before doing so. 'I would say I'm just going to take this time to let God speak to me and go from there,' Atogwe said. 'I am going to wait till the market opens and then go from there.'"

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 4:55 PM

I'm not saying this isn't true, but it makes ZERO sense to me. The ideal time for Atogwe to sign is now, before teams have an opportunity to draft a safety, before he is in competition with all of the other free agents who will hit the market after a new CBA is signed, and before interested teams spend all of their available money on other priorities.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 22, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe is a lot more attractive than Shaun Rogers.

The Redskins are bringing in these players but they are not going to sign them.

If I am not mistaken either players' bonus would be immediately payable and if there is no 2011 season the Redskins would be out that amount of money.

Allen is too cheap for that.

Teams are cutting players right now but I haven't seen anyone get picked up.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 22, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I've discovered that when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not trying to...", they will proceed to tell you precisely what they are doing.

For example, "I'm not trying to be racist, but...[insert racist insult]."

Another: "I'm not not trying to rush you...[as they push you out the door].

You ought to try this with politicians if you really want to understand what they're doing!

"I'm not trying to infringe on anyone's individual rights...."

Exactly.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011

There are a ton of those phrases. My favorite "I'm working for the best interests of the .... children/company/customer/etc." Which means that could care less about the children/company/customer/etc

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What is the whole sock puppet thing about anyway?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 5:02 PM |

Truth be told, there are about 10 posters on this blog with about 195 handles.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Newton's agent needs to nail him to a chair right now and drill him on answering the Qs he's going to get at combine. 0-2 just today

Cam Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

F Cam Newton.

No way does Shanny put up with a guy thats this much of an arrogant jack ass.

F Cam Newton

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 5:15 PM |

Vin dude - you might want to check this out:

===============================================================

That's gay.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2011 5:02 PM |

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told, there are about 10 posters on this blog with about 195 handles.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:21 PM |

You have at least 4 yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:26 PM |

Up your hole
With a pole

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Up my hole
With a pole

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:27 PM |

I don't want to hear about your new hobby.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to hear about your new hobby.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:28 PM |

Up your ditch
With a switch

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Up your ditch
With a switch

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:30 PM

And with your new found ability to rhyme two words you now graduate kindergarten. Congratulations little girl. Next up? Pregnant by 13 from your Dad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying this isn't true, but it makes ZERO sense to me. The ideal time for Atogwe to sign is now, before teams have an opportunity to draft a safety, before he is in competition with all of the other free agents who will hit the market after a new CBA is signed, and before interested teams spend all of their available money on other priorities.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 22, 2011 5:16 PM

Well, he said he's going to let God speak to him and go from there.

I suspect God is telling him his agent will negotiate for a bigger contract when each team's salary cap implications are fully understood.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess,

Up your crack
With a jack?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

And with your new found ability to rhyme two words you now graduate kindergarten. Congratulations little girl. Next up? Pregnant by 13 from your Dad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:32 PM |

Up your big
With a twig

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

In your rear
With a John Deere?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess,

Up your crack
With a jack?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:35 PM |

Up your ass
With cut glass

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Up your big
With a twig

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:36 PM

Really? That's what you came up with? Back to preschool with you cause that's not even good...just lame.
At the least you coulda come up with
Up your shoot
With my boot. What you said doesn't even make sense. I guess that makes you a rapper...we'll call you Snoop D0uche.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

In your rear
With a John Deere?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:36 PM |

Up your trench
With a wrench

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow, sure am glad I missed the whole rump ranger discussion earlier...in other news, at least now if the cap returns we will be well under it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 3:15 PM

I don't know scamp. I'm having a hard time believing you're really glad you missed that earlier discussion.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Up your ass
With cut glass

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:38 PM

Cut Glass? You mean broken glass?

Next we'll get up your butt with a rubber coconut. Your gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know scamp. I'm having a hard time believing you're really glad you missed that earlier discussion.


Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 5:40 PM |

*chuckle*

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

*you're not your

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe is a lot more attractive than Shaun Rogers. ....

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 22, 2011 5:17 PM

Shaun Rogers also is much fatter.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe is a lot more attractive than Shaun Rogers. ....

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 22, 2011 5:17 PM

Too early to tell, gotta wait for the swimsuit competition.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Next we'll get up your butt with a rubber coconut. Your gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:41 PM |

Speaking of which,

Up your really big
With a guinea pig

(Compliments of Vin Diesel and Richard Gere)

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011

There are a ton of those phrases. My favorite "I'm working for the best interests of the .... children/company/customer/etc." Which means that could care less about the children/company/customer/etc


Posted by: zcezcest1


HAHAH!! Look at freakin' Qaddafi!! (or Mubarak, or any of a hundred CIA-installed dictators worldwide, to maximize corporate elit profits)...His top henchman have widely been known to be CIA-advisors, the Lockerbie -bombing was an inside job(wjy they just released the convicted), he's posed as an enem of America to both hoodwink his public AND to serve as Warmachine scapegoat for INCREASED MILITARY SPENDING!!! THE WHOLE MIDEAST IS ONE GIANT WARMACHINE RIG, TO SUCK THE MONEY FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KEEP THEM DOWN AND TO FATTEN THE WARPIGS POCKETS... you know this already, ozzie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naqI70kub0A

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Banks should have taken Atogwe out on the town in DC last night. You know show 'em some late night clubing. Might bring him around, get closer to God, maybe even talk to God in the Club and sign his life away... with the Skins of course.

Posted by: TKing1 | February 22, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

(Compliments of Vin Diesel and Richard Gere)

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:52 PM |

When rumors about being gay threatened to undermine these dudes' careers they promptly "got married and had kids". A dude will do just about anything to keep that shack in Brentwood.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I missed this story when it came out (holiday travel and such and such), but PFT linked back to it.

Sounds like Torrey Smith is cut from exactly the same cloth as London Fletcher ... and is just as solid a man.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122501499.html?sid=ST2010122501502

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I do not want to live!

Kevin Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | February 22, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Fine by me.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

-----------------

And now this!

That's it! I cannot go on!

First, the Skins don't sign the greatest Rams Safety since Adam Archuleta. Now WaitingGuilty is unconcerned for my well-being?

Free me from this mortal coil!!

Posted by: noslok | February 22, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."

Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

This guy's going to lose a bunch of $$ in those private interviews. There's confidence and then there's jackassedness.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Champ Bailey signed a 4yr deal to stay a Bronco.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Atogwe leaves Redskins Park without signing"

No surprise there...this new regime doesn't lock people in the basement and throw money at people until they say "when" like the previous one did. You let him weigh his options and if he wants to be a Redskin, he'll come back. If he wants to get paid, then he'll chase the money.

Good to see our team looking more like an organization...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:01 PM

So all this time you've been calling me Vin Diesel. I thought you were calling me Vinny Cerrato.

Now I'm really offended.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Damn, hate to see Champ go back to Denver...the only guy happier than Champ right now has to be Asomugha because his asking price on the open market just went up a few million...

In another blow to the fantasy offseason in RI Nation, Kalil got the franchise tag in Carolina. Looks like we might have to screw around and actually draft a guy or two...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm really offended.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 6:21 PM |

You shouldn't be. F&F is infinitely better than KG Cop.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 4:17 PM

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2011 6:11 PM

I think I can actually hear the sound of Cam Newton's draft stock plummeting. He had a great morning, Gil Brandt saying Newton should be the #1 pick in the draft ... but by time word spread about what he said to Peter King ... well, the Flabberts are popping champagne bottles.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So all this time you've been calling me Vin Diesel. I thought you were calling me Vinny Cerrato.

Now I'm really offended.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 6:21 PM

Wait ... you're more offended by being compared to a guy rumored to have stuck a gerbil up his butt than by being compared to the butt gerbil itself?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Champ signing a 4 yr deal in Denver makes it official. We got royally fleeced in the Portis-Bailey trade.

As if it was not already a big win for Denver, now it looks like they not only got the far better player (And a 2nd rd pick) but they got his services for at least 3-4 more years than we milked out of costume boy.

At least we have the coach who bent us over on our side now.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I mean, the Vin Diesel thing is rumor and allegation ... but Vinny Cerrato is a well documented butt gerbil.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm glad Bailey is off the market and unavailable for signing here. THAT signing would have been the overpriced, free agent, past prime vet signing that the previous regime would have done.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I mean, the Vin Diesel thing is rumor and allegation ... but Vinny Cerrato is a well documented butt gerbil.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:32 PM

Bad joke.
Bad actor.
Bad GM.

Love gays and especially lesbians.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is a well documented butt gerbil.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:32 PM

Can you post a link? YouTube?

Not sure I understand the scope of your question -- "the whole sock puppet thing." Like, what is a sock puppet? Who are the sock puppets on RI? How can you have your own sock puppet?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Up your hole
With a pole

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Are we now learning our insults from reruns of "Welcome Back Kotter"?

Posted by: lasthe | February 22, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Next we'll get up your butt with a rubber coconut. Your gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:41 PM |

Dude - I don't know about you but I am tapped out for now. We'll have to do this poesy exchange again. Hopefully next time you'll have upgraded your verbal skills. "Rubber coconut"? Christ, that sucks harder than a lamprey in Lake Erie!

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, we've set the line for Cam Newton's upcoming Wonderlic performance.

The opening line came in at VYx2 for 16. Not bad, but its been adjusted downward as the under was seeing heavy action. Very heavy action.

>>Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ponder

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 22, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Where are you HATERS? Come out...come out wherever you are (in my Robert Deniro voice from Cape Fear)

Where are those that talk about the "SAME OLD REDSKINS"? Finally we are exercising some due diligence. No way in hell Rogers or Atogowe leave Redskins park without a contract under Vinny.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 22, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Up your hole
With a pole

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Are we now learning our insults from reruns of "Welcome Back Kotter"?

Posted by: lasthe | February 22, 2011 6:36 PM |

It's meaty graduate PhD stuff. Kotter was freshman intro to Western Civilization shti. Holes are much tenderer than noses and poles are much more painful than rubber hoses.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how, last season, the Jets took the same approach to free agency as the Redskins have in the past. They signed a ton of free agents last off season, essentially trying to buy a championship.

I think the difference is they paid for free agents in the prime of their career (except Tomlinson)...

Posted by: rickyroge | February 22, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how, last season, the Jets took the same approach to free agency as the Redskins have in the past. They signed a ton of free agents last off season, essentially trying to buy a championship.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 22, 2011 6:47 PM |

They wasn't the only team. Dah Bears signed Mr. Peepers and he has an all-pro season. The Skins signed Fatso and he gets carted off the field sucking an oxygen tank.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe, Ponder sounds like he'll make fine agent some day.

Diesel, just funnin on Cerrato. The whole image of his pointy snout, big eyes, long tail, with bits of poop mixed in with his fur. I'm with you on the love good people thing. Sometimes I wonder whether I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

Changing topics, I have a new prediction ... that the League and the players will vote out an extension of the league year. Not necessarily an extension of the current CBA, just that the league year won't be allowed to end and that the guys set for UFA won't become free agents on March 4th. Both sides will want to agree on and know the new rules before they go into effect. The smoothest transition is one where there isn't a time period that happens when there are no rules.

Just a hunch

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Sween...

Are you really Adam Schefter? LOL

Posted by: rickyroge | February 22, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

>>Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ponder

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

So, if we draft EXPERT TERD aND he fails, we can at least hire him to the front office , to bring expertise and wisdom to the "DARRRR, LOUIIE" situation we're so used to..REX is one Florida QB enough, he can stay..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I wonder whether I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2011 6:54 PM |

Someday there is going to be a lesbian with a body better than Brooklyn Decker and all of mankind will weep. Well, at least straight mankind.

Posted by: BiggerVance | February 22, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Champ signing a 4 yr deal in Denver makes it official. We got royally fleeced in the Portis-Bailey trade.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 6:32 PM


If anything, they got the slight edge in the overall comparison in my mind...the 2nd rounder they got was Tatum Bell, a Portis bizarro who was out of the league not long after leaving Denver. He's been an elite player much of his time there, but I'd estimate about half of Bailey's Pro Bowl appearances as a Bronco were on reputation alone. Plus, the story of his career isn't over...and if something happens to hasten its end then it kinda swings the pendulum in the Skins' favor, IMO.

Portis wasn't a bum here...he was a productive player and he was the driving force for two playoff appearances so it's not like we're holding our hats on this one. You may be able to give Denver the edge, but it's far from a "fleecing".

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid is giving football advice to shanny???!!! Really. Who decides this Shti?!!!!???? And I thought wapo was struggling financially??? Who is running the sports department up here. He/she should be fired/kicked out. Insane. Just insane decisions over the past few years by this person.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 22, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Changing topics, I have a new prediction ... that the League and the players will vote out an extension of the league year. Not necessarily an extension of the current CBA, just that the league year won't be allowed to end and that the guys set for UFA won't become free agents on March 4th. Both sides will want to agree on and know the new rules before they go into effect. The smoothest transition is one where there isn't a time period that happens when there are no rules.

Just a hunch

Posted by: dcsween


Good idea, stretch the time period...But, I'm the blue cherenkov radiation ponk, the whole hijack of the "Tea Party" and the natural rebellion from the Goldman/Sachs/JP Morgan -engineered artificial depression seems to be tied into the planned "Lockout" and the overall Elite's plan to crush unions during this recessionary time-period...Remember, JP Morgan created the American Legion to act as a union-busting, racketeering entity pack of disenfranchised vet soldiers as a response to the Depression and radicalism that the Elite's created in their power grab and middle-class destruction in 1929..The same thing is happening today, following the JP Morgan/Goldman Sachs power grab and destruction in 2007..The Elites have been pushing for the fascist takeover of America for time immemoriam..They want us to be an imperialistic fascist nation, with themselves squarely and permanently affixed to the top..They HATE democracy (except as a form of cover)...The British understood that imperialism and democracy don't mix, so they gave up their colonies and chose socialistic democracy post-WW2..No Unions are exceptable , as they seek to reduce us all to wage-slaves, at best..But World War would sure get rid of the brown cattle subverting their rule worldwide...


SORRY FOR THE DIATRIBE!!! ***NOT!!!!!!!!!!*****

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Sharks at the Joe, puck drop minutes away. Tough road trip, with a trip to Pitt and red hot Calgary.

its a clusteruck in the West, Sharks need every point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This guy's going to lose a bunch of $$ in those private interviews. There's confidence and then there's jackassedness.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2011 6:11 PM

Nice conjugation of jackass. My personal favorite is jackassery but this will have to be added to the list.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

if this dude is so good,then why did the rams,of all teams,release him.red flagg red flagg!

Posted by: billydee123 | February 22, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

>>Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ponder

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


So what you're saying is he's super smart?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, yeah, big money has had this union-busting think planned for years, just like the "banking crisis" and the "foreclosure " crisis, the muther f***kers hate uniond, it threatans their planned power-grab,they want to reduce us all, to the criminal gangs that the private banks that own and run the Federal Reserve are..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Is it drunk?? My bad...I wouldn't even post if'n i were sober..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Comparison Shopping-Auburn Quarterbacks.

--both have National Championship rings

--1 guy had a lot of future pros on his team

--1 guy was a 1 man gang most of the year

--1 guy might be a 6'6" Mike Vick

--1 guy might find himself this season in Oaktown

Jason Campbell: humble, polite Southerner whose meek attitude irritated the redskin fanbase

Cam Newton: arrogant, star-driven cocky Southerner whose over-the-top attitude irritates the redskin fanbase

Go figga...

Looks to me like the redskin fanbase wants to buy a quarterback, but doesn't know what it wants to spend its money on.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 22, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The fans would accept Cam, as long as he wins..But, if afte all the hype , him fail, mutherf***er better catch the first shuttle to the woodchipperr...I know I would..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

When you do a business deal, you don't judge the deal on how the seller in the deal spends the money right?

For this reason, I think you can only look at the 2nd rounder as a stand alone entity in evaluating this trade. Who cares what Shanahan (D'Oh!)did with the pick!? The fact is we lost the pick and could not use it.

With that in mind, plus the fact that Bailey is no where near done playing, and looking at the stats below, I stand by the fleecing evaluation. I'm not even remotely objective either, as I hate the Broncos and am a 30 year die hard Skins fan.

Quick look at stats since trade:

Bailey: Played 102/112 Reg Season Games, 30 INT, 3 TD, 5 FF 6 Pro Bowls

Portis: Played 84/112 Reg Season Games, 6,741 rush yards (80 YPG),49 total TDs, 1 Pro Bowl

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Moe's Comparison Shopping:

Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management..


Wow: I think I'm spending my money on this guy in round 2.

This reads like he'll absorb the playbook on day 1.

And if his arm doesn't satisfy, quick-decision making will.

I'd put him in an NFL-spread offense, and let him dink and dunk his way up and down the field.

Do they have LAY-A-WAY?

'Cuz I'm ready to buy!

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 22, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like the redskin fanbase wants to buy a quarterback, but doesn't know what it wants to spend its money on.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 22, 2011 8:10 PM
___________________

Did you ever have to make up your mind?
Pick up on one and leave the other one behind
It's not often easy, and not often kind
Did you ever have to make up your mind?
Did you ever have to finally decide?
Say yes to one and let the other one ride
There's so many changes, and tears you must hide
Did you ever have to finally decide?
Sometimes there's one with deep blue eyes, cute as a bunny
With hair down to here, and plenty of money
And just when you think she's that one in the world
Your heart gets stolen by some mousy little girl
And then you know you better make up your mind
Pick up on one and leave the other one behind
It's not often easy, and not often kind
Did you ever have to make up your mind?
Sometimes you really dig a girl the moment you kiss her
And then you get distracted by her older sister
When in walks her father and takes you in line
And says "Better go home, son, and make up your mind."
Then you bet you'd better finally decide!
And say yes to one and let the other one ride
There's so many changes, and tears you must hide
Did you ever have to finally decide?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 22, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

If he fail, Moe, we send him to Guantonomo, where he learns how to truly CXhristian Ponder and pray like a good Christian and then we make him our tool video preacher , to spread Christianity and Business Management ac ross the Phillipines..Or some such threat to national security..

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management."

Even taking into account that FSU is not exactly MIT, graduating with those stats is very impressive. I took one course in finance in college and swore that I would never take another. He's smart and math oriented. Good enough for me. Let's take him in the second.

Pulled from an obscure scouting website:

Christian Ponder:
Position: Quarterback
School: Florida State
Height: 6'2
Weight: 219
Age: 22
Class: Senior
Definition: Pocket Passer

Career Stats: 666 P-Att 412 P-Cmp 61.9% Cmp 4,828 P-Yrds 29 Tds 22 Int's 6.79 YPC

Strengths
Pocket Awareness
Pocket Presence
Cool in The Pocket/Doesn't Rush Throws
Mechanics
Leadership
Experience
Passing Accuracy
Mobility
Touch
Good Arm Strength
Good Vision

Weaknesses
Decision Making
Occasionally stares down receivers
Makes Receivers Work (High Passes)
Play Action

Posted by: NYPDee | February 22, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I love this mock draft for 2012.

Look who has the first pick

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 8:19 PM

I agree we got screwed. Traded a HOF true shutdown CB for 4 good YRs from a RB that the owner made the highest paid RB in league history.

We also threw in a 2nd RD pick to twist the knife.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Stumped-
Cameron Jordan had only 5.5 sacks last year..Thats not terrorizing enough...I'd rather take Mark Ingram, phil taylor or AIOHGGGHHHGGHAAAAAIII...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

When you do a business deal, you don't judge the deal on how the seller in the deal spends the money right?

For this reason, I think you can only look at the 2nd rounder as a stand alone entity in evaluating this trade. Who cares what Shanahan (D'Oh!)did with the pick!? The fact is we lost the pick and could not use it.

With that in mind, plus the fact that Bailey is no where near done playing, and looking at the stats below, I stand by the fleecing evaluation. I'm not even remotely objective either, as I hate the Broncos and am a 30 year die hard Skins fan.

Quick look at stats since trade:

Bailey: Played 102/112 Reg Season Games, 30 INT, 3 TD, 5 FF 6 Pro Bowls

Portis: Played 84/112 Reg Season Games, 6,741 rush yards (80 YPG),49 total TDs, 1 Pro Bowl


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 22, 2011 8:19 PM


This ain't business, this is football. I judge the trade based on what came of the players involved. Portis was the 2nd all-time rusher in this team's storied history and was the key cog on two playoff teams. Bailey was more productive (comparitively speaking) and the pick sent along with him went bust.

Besides...the Skins burned a 2nd rounder on Taylor Jacobs the year before. If you have faith they would have used the one that went to Denver better, good luck trying to sell that.

Look, you can judge it how you want to...I'm just saying when you use the word "fleeced" that means they got a stud and we got a bum. Portis wasn't a bum. History will show that Denver got the edge but that the Skins got a damn good running back at a time when they didn't have one.

Or at least that's how I'll remember it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse


F Cam Newton

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Well put.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Will you love the 14 or so losses it will take to get there Stumped?

Posted by: mack1 | February 22, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and WG...don't use Pro Bowls, dude. I already pointed out that about half of Bailey's PBs were on reputation alone and Portis got shafted on a couple chances at PBs. Plus, this is the league that couldn't get London Fletcher in one until 2009. Just sayin'...

Diesel, don't play revisionist history...Bailey was as good as gone and had ZERO interest in staying in Washington. Getting ANYTHING for him was a win in the grand scheme of things. I'm just evaluating the trade itself, and on the merits of the trade alone we lost but we didn't get "fleeced"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree we got screwed. Traded a HOF true shutdown CB for 4 good YRs from a RB that the owner made the highest paid RB in league history.

We also threw in a 2nd RD pick to twist the knife.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse


True.

The Broncos have gotten far more mileage out of Bailey than we did out of Portis.

Portis had a nice run for a few years, but Bailey is still playing at a ProBowl level, and Portis has been playing like a two-bit role player for the last 2 years.

And whereas Champ Bailey has been a veteran leader on that team, Portis has been a source of many headaches who seems to need steady coddling just to keep his head into things and act like a pro.

Portis is a tough player on the field and definitely made the transition to a between-the-tackles runner in an admirable way. But all in all, I'd say the Skins got pretty jobbed on that trade...what else is new.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, don't play revisionist history...Bailey was as good as gone and had ZERO interest in staying in Washington. Getting ANYTHING for him was a win in the grand scheme of things. I'm just evaluating the trade itself, and on the merits of the trade alone we lost but we didn't get "fleeced"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2011 8:47 PM |

Yes, I've said it 210x on this board that Champ wanted out of DC. However we got screwed..

Portis had 4 good years here. Champ got to the pro bowl on reputation? NOBODY throws at him, in 2008 he gave up ZERO TDS. He's a HOF CB that will go down as 1 of the top 5 of all-time.

We got worse than screwed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Portis had a nice run for a few years"

You Post-mutherf***ers must be bored...I guess the last time you didn't check Clinton was only a few hundred yards away from the Redskins rushing record...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

twisi

This guy's (Cam Newton) going to lose a bunch of $$ in those private interviews.

Don't worry: he'll make it all back in product endorsements (that's the nature of today's sports marketing beast: little proff, lotta pay).

And if anyone doubts his short college career, 13-0 and a Heisman shuts them up wid da quickness.

If Newton falls, it'll be an expected thud given he's essentially an expensive project quarterback.

But if he plays in the NFL the way he did at Auburn, the same folks who hated on Sam Bradford in here last Spring will enjoy a second meal o' crow the next NFL season.

And I'm sorry, I think whomever drafts Newton will be gigglin' at the mix of charisma and raw athleticism they can shape in any way they want as Newton is just that raw.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 22, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"Portis had a nice run for a few years"

You Post-mutherf***ers must be bored...I guess the last time you didn't check Clinton was only a few hundred yards away from the Redskins rushing record...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse


That's right. Because he had a nice run for a few years.

It wasn't a knock.

Still, the best years of his career were in Denver.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

ARRight ...you got C.O. in the wings...

'Tis the Season for DisInformation, Redskins....

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

What he meant to say was that the Redskins are a grate organization. The grate on somebody on everything they do.

Posted by: jbkulp | February 22, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

And I'm sorry, I think whomever drafts Newton will be gigglin' at the mix of charisma and raw athleticism they can shape in any way they want as Newton is just that raw.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 22, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse


He can take his charisma, his criminal father and his stupid diseased oak trees and cram them someplace dark and warm.

They need to make sure he's not cheating on the Wonderlic and chain the laptop he's taking it on to the table.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

frak,
I'm sure WalterFootball, assumes we trade up to the first pick in the 2012 draft (possibly with Dallas, who picks #32). I know they can't possibly think our 2011 season would have us pick from the #1 spot without a trade of some kind.

(loved the diatribe btw, you're must be reading my paranoid, schizophrenic mind)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

They need to make sure he's not cheating on the Wonderlic and chain the laptop he's taking it on to the table.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:14 PM

That's good.

Newton already signed a shoe and apparel deal with Under Armour. It will be the largest deal ever given to an incoming NFL rookie, surpassing the $1 million a year deal adidas gave to Reggie Bush in 2006 both in terms of annual guarantee and overall dollars.

dollar, dollar, bill ya'll..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Newton already signed a shoe and apparel deal with Under Armour. It will be the largest deal ever given to an incoming NFL rookie, surpassing the $1 million a year deal adidas gave to Reggie Bush in 2006 both in terms of annual guarantee and overall dollars.

dollar, dollar, bill ya'll..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, I heard.

From Under Armour's POV it's a great business decision to ride the hype while they can.

From a professional development POV, who out there thinks it's a great situation to have a young cocky self-absorbed image-driven criminal-minded athlete get big endorsement money before having done or proved anything as a pro?

Yet another reason to pass on this one.

Hopefully he'll be there at #10 and some other duped organization will trade us for the pick.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:26 PM

Kevin Plank blowing up, not bad for special teamer from our tremendous university.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Would prefer to pass becaus the reptilian QB thing is unstable enough, and with haivy lizards, wit h Mcnabb and Rex...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:26 PM

Kevin Plank blowing up, not bad for special teamer from our tremendous university.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Under Armor

Google

Muppets

Seinfeld


Terps make ish happen and move product, baby.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Would prefer to pass becaus the reptilian QB thing is unstable enough, and with haivy lizards, wit h Mcnabb and Rex...

Posted by: frak
___________

Hunter S Thompson, is that you??

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 22, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

D**n! Strike one in our rebuild. My take is.....not signing both ATOGWE and ASOMUGHA sets us back two years because we're ultimately going to have to have two players of that caliber to match with LANDREY and HALL. No matter how many front seven beasts you have, you've got to take away balls deep and over the middle. This is a pass-oriented league.

PICKS:
QUINN OLB N.C.
POUNCEY G M.S.
ELLIS NT H.U.
TAYLOR QB V.T.
ACHO OLB U.T.
BROWN WR S.M.
ROGERS CB U.R.

RESIGNS:
MOSS WR
GROSSMAN QB
BROWN OT
WILSON OLB
BLADES ILB
BUCHANON CB

FA's:
BLAYLOCK G
HARRIS T
SOLIAI DT
ASOMUGHA CB
ATOGWE FS

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007 is a scarey man...He mentions not Carlos Rogers...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

my bad...can't have that without "Ich Will"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliEaa5dG-M&NR=1

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007 is a scarey man...He mentions not Carlos Rogers...

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Well.....frak you know, ROGERS if we can't get ASOMUGHA. And it looks like ACHO has zoomed up the prognostication boards, so I suppose he's out. Frankly, giving away our third and fourth this year and our fourth next year hurts. They should accumulate draft picks not give them, but who's going to give us picks for anyone short of COOLEY, T.WILLIAMS, LANDRY, and B. ORAKPO. I mean......really.

I hope big MIKE WILLIAMS can play this season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams can play if he gets cleared by doctors....In Guatemala..For a small fee... On a Blue Moon Friday...

Bleeders Of Rocko Raf-
Yeah, if you wanta replace Rogers with Asomugga , lets see you rock that joint...Watteva you can catch in reality...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GEBzm17Gfo

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

>>Ponder graduated from Florida State in two and one half years with a degree in finance and a 3.73 GPA, then an MBA, and is studying for his second graduate degree, in sports management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Ponder

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


So what you're saying is he's super smart?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm setting the Ponder Wonderlic under over at VYx4.5, which would actually tie Bradford at 36.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 22, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 22, 2011 11:02 PM

VY scored a 6. He cheated/took it again and scored a 16.

I'm sticking with the 6. You can't take it twice..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey, check this out. Another confirmation that the Skins made a bad trade for Portis by giving up Champ and picks. Champ is doing well....Portis....whatever.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6148575

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 22, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I though the
wo
nd
er
lic was at 6. 3 ChrisTChurch This Week

F.M..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9XDsloZJCg

We
THE
SKINS
WANT
THE MONSTERLIC...

THA KILLAH!!!!!!!

*cough*

sike!!..

no contracts at this time..


peaceout

Posted by: frak | February 22, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 22, 2011 11:02 PM

VY scored a 6. He cheated/took it again and scored a 16.

I'm sticking with the 6. You can't take it twice..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I have him as an 8.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 22, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

F VY

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

How is he smart enough to cheat on the test if he only scored a 6 the first time. I mean, that is seriously fing stupid.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

How is he smart enough to cheat on the test if he only scored a 6 the first time. I mean, that is seriously fing stupid.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 12:08 AM

Wow, a swing and a miss. He cheated because taking it twice is cheating. You're only supposed to take it once.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 12:28 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cLXZJGuv4

No, we want HARDCORE DEFENSIVE LINE ONLY...

We've been through this pansy-a** suck-up bullsh*t before, WE WANT THAH KILLAH!Z!!!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Not surprised Atogwe left without a contract. Frankly, he's good but not great, but his agent is looking for something like what he would have been paid in St Louis and that is great, not good, money. I think they need to keep looking at these guys because it gets them face time with agents, keeps them in the market, etc., but I think they will stand pat until after a CBA is signed - if it is signed.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2011 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Signing Atogwe would be a good move.

Posted by: scg1055 | February 23, 2011 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Not even a story!

Posted by: SOLVBACK | February 23, 2011 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I've said it 210x on this board that Champ wanted out of DC. However we got screwed..

Portis had 4 good years here. Champ got to the pro bowl on reputation? NOBODY throws at him, in 2008 he gave up ZERO TDS. He's a HOF CB that will go down as 1 of the top 5 of all-time.

We got worse than screwed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2011 9:00 PM


I still think you're viewing this in the wrong light...letting Champ walk for absolutely NOTHING is getting screwed. Champ was leaving anyway and everyone knows that. The only way we get "screwed" is if we traded away a 2nd rounder and got a guy like Tatum Bell or Trung Canidate in return. We didn't. We got a guy that would go on to set the single-season rushing record and come two injury-riddled seasons shy of becoming the franchise's all-time rushing leader. A franchise that has boasted the likes of John Riggins, Larry Brown, and Stephen Davis.

I'm far from a Portis advocate...I still to this day think we would have been just as well off with Ladell Betts at RB and never traded for him at all. But I just can't relate to the notion that we got "screwed" or "fleeced" when we got a Pro-Bowl running back that matches up favorably with some of the best RBs this franchise has ever had. That just defies logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 5:39 AM | Report abuse

This should give Moe morning wood:

Christian Ponder has a change of plans
Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2011, 8:41 PM EST

In late January, former Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder said that he doesn’t plan to throw at the Scouting Combine.

“I think the plan right now is I’m not going to throw, which most quarterbacks do,” Ponder said in the days prior to the Senior Bowl, per BuffaloBills.com. “Something could change and I could throw, but I will do everything else.”

Something has indeed changed.

Despite being named the MVP of the Senior Bowl, we’re told that Ponder has indeed decided to throw at the Scouting Combine.

He joins guys like Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton, and Ricky Stanzi, all of whom will throw at the Scouting Combine, as Silva summarized earlier today.

Missouri quarterback Blaine Gabbert is the biggest name to choose not to throw.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 6:06 AM | Report abuse

I still think you're viewing this in the wrong light...letting Champ walk for absolutely NOTHING is getting screwed. Champ was leaving anyway and everyone knows that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 5:39 AM

Champ was leaving. The 'Skins had to choose to pay him or Arrington, "The Face of the Franchise." They franchised him and gave his agent permission to discuss trades. As I recall (and I'm not always the best at this) they were rumored to have two first round picks on the table, maybe from Detroit.

It's probably wrong to use terms like "screwed" or "fleeced," but they made the wrong choice and they certainly paid too much for Portis. Tatum Bell is irrelevant -- plenty of talent was available with that pick: Bob Sanders, Darnell Dockett, Nick Harding. I think Gibbs was just in love with Portis and Shanahan got the best of him and Cerrato. But Portis was a great Redskin.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

I liked what I saw of Andy Dalton this past year. Granted it wasn't very often but he looks accurate and seems to be a fiery leader. Winning all the time counts too. Did anyone watch him this year and know the details on this kid?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 23, 2011 6:13 AM | Report abuse

That does it. I had been "Best Player Available" with the #10 pick -- DL, LB, DB, QB, whatever. But now Jason Reid has declared himself -- "don't draft a young quarterback with the 10th overall pick in April's draft." You know that the only right move is to grab the Best Quarterback Available at #10.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022205071.html

Reid should stick to writing about food.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 6:23 AM | Report abuse

It's probably wrong to use terms like "screwed" or "fleeced," but they made the wrong choice and they certainly paid too much for Portis. Tatum Bell is irrelevant -- plenty of talent was available with that pick: Bob Sanders, Darnell Dockett, Nick Harding. I think Gibbs was just in love with Portis and Shanahan got the best of him and Cerrato. But Portis was a great Redskin.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 6:11 AM


100% agree. The Jets had an offer for Bailey that included Shaun Ellis, Anthony Becht, and LaMont Jordan. I would have taken that over the Portis deal too, as all three players were at a position of need for us at the time--and probably would have combined to cost just as much as Portis.

RB is a position where you can get a good one just about anywhere if you're O-line is in good shape, which ours was early in the Gibbs 2.0 Era. I just don't think that because we didn't necessarily NEED Portis that we got jobbed. His production was undeniably good.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 6:36 AM | Report abuse

He cheated because taking it twice is cheating. You're only supposed to take it once.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 12:28 AM | Report abuse

This actually a problem with the testing process.

The issue with all intelligence tests is there is a level of technique involved. Everyone's scores improve on IQ tests if they practice answering similar types of question. This is why a good educational or research phychologist will have there subjects take multiple tests before recording an IQ value.

The Wonderlic scores taken at the combine include a confounding variable, it doesn't just measure intelligence but also the players' ability to take a Wonderlic test.

Vince Young's Wonderlic scores do suggest a limited intellect, a 6 followed by 16 is not very good regardless. The real warning sign for me is the level of improvement between the first an second tests. It suggests he hadn't done any preparation for the first test.

That for me was the real evidence of functional stupidity, he simply didn't have the wit to prepare for test that could have a significant impact on his draft stock.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 23, 2011 7:05 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022205071.html

Reid should stick to writing about food.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 6:23 AM

Holy sh*t.

That was easily one of the worst columns I've ever read...and that's saying something considering this paper employs the likes of Tracee Hamilton and Mike "Make Sh*t Up" Wise.

I mean, that was basically an open letter to Shanahan from a fan perspective...coming from a guy who's not a fan. The attempts at humor fell flat, the form in which he wrote was grade-school simple at best, and he threw in a few wrongheaded ideas for good measure. That trash made Hamilton's poop on a page look Pulitzer-worthy.

Sorry JReid...that's two columns that don't even read like columns. You suck at blogging and now you're off to a piss-poor start at being a columnist. Looks like you should stick to beat reporting, hoss...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Vince Young's Wonderlic scores do suggest a limited intellect, a 6 followed by 16 is not very good regardless. The real warning sign for me is the level of improvement between the first an second tests. It suggests he hadn't done any preparation for the first test.

That for me was the real evidence of functional stupidity, he simply didn't have the wit to prepare for test that could have a significant impact on his draft stock.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 23, 2011 7:05 AM

Vince Young was chosen third in the draft. Do you think if he'd had a higher score that he would have gone first or second? Did the Texans choose Mario Williams and the Saints choose Reggie Bush because they scored higher on the Wonderlic?

Seems to me that it would have been a f*cking waste of time to "prepare for test that could have a significant impact on his draft stock"? The lesson here seems to be that the Wonderlic is about as relevant as its name implies.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Wonderlic scores = power rankings

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I just don't think that because we didn't necessarily NEED Portis that we got jobbed. His production was undeniably good.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 6:36 AM | Report abuse

My view, is that it was a poor trade because of the second round pick. I would have had no issue with a straight swap. CB is generally seen as the more valuable position but a starting HB sees 300+ touches per year, so it seems pretty important to me. At the time we traded for Portis he was putting up rediculous stats. Also, Bailey was on the way out, there wasn't really a realistic prospect that we could keep him.

However, whilst it was undoubtedly a bad deal, the final outcome wasn't so bad.

Portis played well for us, Bailey played well for them, but not as well as his reputation would suggest. I've always thought he was a good corner, but not a difference maker. Portis may not have turned into an all-time great running back, but for a number of years he was our offense.

The thing that really gets to me is that we had to ship Bailey because of the contract commitment we made to LaVar Arrington. A contract that in the end would lead to the signing bonus disputes that hastened Arrington's departure.

That for me is the Archetypal Dan Snyder moment. He choose the wrong player to give an extension to, and somehow managed to alienate everyone, including the guys he paid.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 23, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the teams who employ people with high enough Wonderlic scores to properly value intelligence at the QB position would in fact use the Wonderlic as an evaluation tool before selecting a QB, particuarly at number 3 overall.

Then again, Bud Adams did just fire his QB AND head coach in a classic "i dont know WTF I am doing" tandem maneuver.

ps Scamp... don't overthink it buddy. The point, all along, is that smarts are the de facto determinant for high quality QB play. And the running joke is a candidate comparison to VY's score, whether its 6, 8, or 16. Dude is as gifted as there ever was physically, but is basically dumber than Texas dirt with the maturity level of a 12 year old. An immature 12 year old. Which is why he sucks as an NFL QB, and no well run team wants him despite the occasionally gaudy numbers and highlight reel eye popping plays sprinkled about.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

RI Coin Toss: Who is the better cornerback, Carlos Rogers or DeAngelo Hall?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

This should give Moe morning wood

Yes: I'm on the C Ponder bandwagon.

I like him of rus as I think his tool-set fits right into what NFL teams are running now: spread type offenses where accuracy and 3-5 step drop passing systems go together.

I want a NT at 10 and QB in 2.

And that's why my wood is good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Sorry JReid...that's two columns that don't even read like columns. You suck at blogging and now you're off to a piss-poor start at being a columnist. Looks like you should stick to beat reporting, hoss...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 7:12 AM

Not to mention the timing of the column. The DRAFT is in April. There's no one aside from hessone and his likes that care about this subject until the week of the draft. Wizards, Caps are playing right now and are stinking. Why isn't he writing about that?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

2005 and 2007 playoff run.

That is all.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 7:34 AM | Report abuse

I want a NT at 10 and QB in 2.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM


I'd still rather go defense with the 1st and 2nd rounders, but going Phil Taylor and Christian Ponder would still be a good draft, IMO.

Great point, Beep...there's literally NOTHING to talk about in football right now outside of the labor situation. Reid seems to be showing he doesn't know Washington sports very well outside of Redskins Park...and that knowledge was questionable as well. But I guess we should expect ill-timed, off topic columns considering that's basically what we got for posts on RI...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that it would have been a f*cking waste of time to "prepare for test that could have a significant impact on his draft stock"? The lesson here seems to be that the Wonderlic is about as relevant as its name implies.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:14 AM | Report abuse


In the end it probably didn't effect where he got drafted. However, ignoring the simple expedient of practising for a test that you know you are going to take isn't a good sign. Not practising for test which is used in an evaluation process that makes million of dollars differences in your earnings is just stupid.

Also whilst it didn't ultimately effect his draft stock, it certainly seems to have had massive impact upon his career. The man seems to lack the ability to recognise that he needs to prepare for the tests he faces on the field.

That said, whilst his career passing numbers are pathetic, Young's winning percentage as a starting QB are pretty good and significantly better than Kerry Collins's (over the stame period).

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | February 23, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Probably becuase Kerry Collins was stuck running a dumbed down offense installed he didnt have the physical tools to carry so the physically better mental midget in front of him could manage to call the plays in the huddle.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Another compelling reason to pass on going QB at #10:


Quarterback class may not have an immediate starter
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2011, 7:09 AM EST

The past three NFL drafts have produced several first-round quarterbacks who became immediate starters, including men like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, and Sam Bradford. In 2011, there simply may not be a game-ready guy.

“Where is that one impact, immediate starter?” an AFC personnel exec recently told Tom Pelissero of 1500espn.com. “That’s what NFL teams are trying to figure out. There may not be right now a walk-in-the-door, first-day starting quarterback that’s in the draft.”

Pelissero explains that two of the top quarterbacks — Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert — played in spread offenses at college, making it harder to determine whether they’ll quickly be able to pick up a pro-style offense right away. Ryan Mallett played in an offense more suited to the pro game, but he is being dogged by concerns regarding leadership and off-field concerns. Jake Locker, once presumed to be the darling of the 2011 class, has sputtered.

It means that teams will have to spend extra time with their sleeves rolled up, pouring over film and other information. And it means that teams needing a quarterback now will have to be even more careful.

“We will probably emphasize, from whether we go to set up private workouts with these guys to everything else that we normally do, you want to make sure you do everything you possibly can to make the right decision,” Vikings vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman told Pelissero.

“If that’s going out and meeting with a kid’s family, if that’s going out there and working with a kid individually, if that’s spending a day with a kid on the board, doing a lot of things. And I think when we do go out this spring and work these guys out — because you’re not going to be able to get all those questions answered in a 15-minute interview at the combine — you’re going to have to do a lot more than that.”

The only good news for teams at the top of the draft is that the financial risk could be lower, if a rookie wage scale is adopted for 2011. If a new CBA isn’t worked out by April 28, however, teams may have no idea as to what the rules will be for paying the players picked at the top of the draft.

And the process remains hardly a science, and far from perfect. Pelissero suggests that this could be the first year since 2000 during which no quarterback is taken in the first three picks. That’s the draft that unexpectedly produced in pick No. 199 a future first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback who should have been the first overall pick, and whose name is used every year at this time in an effort to keep us interested in the late rounds of the draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Wonderlic:

Normally a reading comp test taken under pressure. The company can adapt the Q&A to suit the client. So I guess the NFL has got one tailored to the needs of a QB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse


Wizards, Caps are playing right now and are stinking. Why isn't he writing about that?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 7:32 AM |
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explain to us why the caps are stinking

Posted by: hessone | February 23, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Catching up after a looooong weekend...few thoughts....

I'm not watching the video from yesterday.

Glad we're not signing every visitor to Redskins Park.

Hessone is still a flip flopping, cosigning loser.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Reid's writing is worse than the coaching job he wags his finger at for an entire column.

"This draft, defense has to be the focus. It's as clear as the roads to FedEx Field before a late-season Redskins game."

Talk about reaching for an analogy. It's confusing to anyone who has attended a game, late season or not, at FedEx. The roads were clear before the 1/2/11 game with the Ginas? About as clear as his point.

"The style of defense played by the Packers, Steelers and Redskins works best with a dominant nose tackle occupying multiple blockers in the middle and outstanding edge rushers at linebacker."

I get it now. Dominant and outstanding help the 3/4. I've been hoping the scouts were on the lookout for mediocre and average. I hope Haslett reads Shanahan's letter and gets his head straight.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

revisiting the Portis/Bailey trade...I'd rather shoot a framing nailer into my nutsack...

should see some players start to rise up the draft boards about mid-combine...

you can tell when frak isn't medicated, for example his posts from last night are a good indication....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Haha, MC51...that's the sh*t I'm talking about. That FedEx pun was so completely awful that I can't believe the editor didn't just take it out altogether. My 4 year-old could have written a better column...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

i usually get one phrase into a frakas before i realize i just stepped in blog gum and quickly move on, trying to scrape it off and avoid any more as i go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Pelissero explains that two of the top quarterbacks — Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert — played in spread offenses at college, making it harder to determine whether they’ll quickly be able to pick up a pro-style offense right away.


This is utter hogwash.

NFL teams in INDY, GB, NAWLINS, NE-league-wide, in fact--have morphed into 3-4 wide college type spread type offenses.

These guys are still comtemplating NFL offenses where the shotgun-spread is the rarity when in fact, it's the norm.

I can think of only a few times during the Super Bowl when AR actually lined up under center.

Too, Sam Bradford played in the spread in OU and settled into the NFL quite nicely.

Smart NFL teams would do well to morph their offenses into a spread to ease a college quarterback's transition into starting.

Now, that's a novel idea.

Perhaps the handwringing is a little over-dramatic.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reported Wednesday, via a league source, that the contract is worth $43 million in base structure and could be worth $47 million if he hits all the escalators.

So 11 mil per year. Just like I said a month ago, it will mirror the contract signed by CWood when he turned 33.

For all those that said he would come here, give us a hometown deal, and play FS. You sir/madame are an idiot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Moe, but you are wrong. The predominant college spread offense is absolutely nothing like what you call the NFL "Spread" offense.

The 2 systems could not be any more different in what they ask a QB to ID, call, read and execute. To the untrained eye you see 4 wideouts and assume it's the same, but nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes, Bradford had a fine rookie year, that's one example. He is a once in a decade talent with uncanny accuracy and smarts.

The college spread is hindering the # and quality of incoming NFL QBs because it's not anything like what these players have to do in the NFL.

I can't believe someone as seemingly knowledgeable as you is taking this stance despite overwhelming evidence that it's completely wrong.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

What's next for the Vinny Cerrato's of this board? Nnamdi Asomugha?

That'd be awesome because that pairing worked amazingly before.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins are reportedly preparing to swap their first round draft pick -- 10th overall -- for a ham sandwich, bag of chips and a diet cola.

According to a team insider, "And they said there was no such thing as a free lunch in this league."

He continued, "There's no sense in obligating paying a huge signing bonus to a prospect who may not play this season -- nor will we sign any free agents until the league has a new CBA in place."

Posted by: Vic1 | February 23, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley/Davis to New Orleans! Let the bidding begin! Either one for a third, both for a second!

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I understand that you want to gain more picks for youth and depth. But by trading away proven players at a position were we have youth and depth isn't the way to do it.

A note that people on here are forgetting and even many around the league is if the NFL goes to an 18 game schedule, the teams with the most depth are the only ones who will survive the extended season. So watching teams like Greenbay should serve as a blueprint for the future.

If they do go 18 games, we are sorely screwed. Cuz without depth, which we don't have we can expect more injuries. Heck, even without the extended season we still have too many holes to fill.

Uggggghhhhhh.......

Posted by: Devo2 | February 23, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Devo2 | February 23, 2011 9:41 AM

From time to time, we engage in a little sarcasm and subtlety. Not to beep for him or anything, but he doesn't want to trade either player.

Now get back to whipping it...and whipping it good.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty

The predominant college spread offense is absolutely nothing like what you call the NFL "Spread" offense.

The college spread is hindering the # and quality of incoming NFL QBs because it's not anything like what these players have to do in the NFL.

This is so far from the truth, it's insane:

--because college quarterbacks run fairly sophisticated spread passing systems, they come into the NFL better prepared to grasp the NFL playbook

--because elite passing college programs put the weight of the team's offense on the quarterback's shoulders, he comes into the NFL fairly certain about what expected of him

--because of all the passing in college football, college defensive coordinators use more NFL type coverages and blitz packages, thus giving--and preparing--the college quarterback for NFL defensive schemes

--college spread systems do identify coverage and use route adjustment systems borrowed from the NFL

--increasingly, college quarterbacks show up better prepared to lead passing offenses than they did a generation ago

--3-4 wide sets featuring quick, 3-5 step passing into the center of the field from the shotgun were the staple of college program before the pats, colts, packers even thought of such a thing.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Fewer young quarterbacks because of 'bad' college offensive schemes.

So where did these guys come from:

Aaron Rodgers

Mark Sanchez (the outlier as the jets are traditional NFL O)

Josn Freeman

Colt McCoy

Matt Cassell

Joe Flacco

Ben Roethlisberger

Drew Brees (ran Joe Tiller's pass happy spread O in Purdue)

Sam Bradford

Philip Rivers

Mike Vick


All these guys have one thing in common: they run shotgun spread type offenses featuring quick passing and little under the center, traditional NFL quarterbacking.

Colleges are producing good quarterbacks provided NFL teams morph their systems to what the kid they draft haas already spent time playing in as an undergraduate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Moe, no offense but you obviously don't know anything as much about football as I thought you did. So I can't have an intelligent debate with you on this topic. You've reverted into "Must be right mode- Even at the expense of reality".

You were probably the kid who watched Oklahoma in the 1980's and ran around saying the NFL should adopt the option as their base offense.

Just one final point- EVERY single coach and talent evaluator in the NFL would tell you you are wrong on this.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley/Davis to New Orleans! Let the bidding begin! Either one for a third, both for a second!

Posted by: beep-beep | February 22, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse


That's how you build a winner.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Just one final point- EVERY single coach and talent evaluator in the NFL would tell you you are wrong on this.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 9:59 AM

I'd settle this for you two...but I'm not sure who is right.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

waitingguilty

...no offense but you obviously don't know anything as much about football as I thought you did.

Like you, I'm just a guy writing in a blog, which makes us both non-authorities.

But if you notice, I lay out argumentation and have avoided ad homenim attack as evidence bets conjecture everytime.

You says countless NFL talents evaluators support your conclusions without naming any.

I say the high number of quality NFL starting quarterbacks under the age of 30 (as I've listed them) supports my conclusion that colleges ARE producing good quarterbacks.

And no, I nver though the option made sense in the NFL as the injuries to the quarterbacks and the solid safety play would render it ineffective.

I welcome debate provided someone uses evidence to support his claims.

I am awaiting yours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

playaction

I'd settle this for you two...but I'm not sure who is right.

The evidence lies in the high number of under 30 starters we have in the leaague now.

Only a coupe of them came from traditional 'under the center' offensive systems.

Heck, even good high school programs (Glade Central here in Palm Beach County, for example) run a 3-4 spread with quick, intermediate passing not unlike what GB featured in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Fewer young quarterbacks because of 'bad' college offensive schemes.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Where in the hell did I say there were fewer young Qbs because of bad college offensive schemes?

I said the college spread system was hindering the development of QBs coming into the NFL.

That's a given among NFL scouts and coaches!

The list above is ridiculous. Of course there are great NFL QBs who played a spread in college, many colleges play a spread these days. Although half your list above did not.

My point is the spread can't be an NFL base offense (As you propose) due to NFL defensive talent and also that playing the college spread slows how fast a college QB becomes starter ready in the NFL....Both widely known truths in the football world.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reported Wednesday, via a league source, that the contract is worth $43 million in base structure and could be worth $47 million if he hits all the escalators.

So 11 mil per year. Just like I said a month ago, it will mirror the contract signed by CWood when he turned 33.

For all those that said he would come here, give us a hometown deal, and play FS. You sir/madame are an idiot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 9:18 AM


Hate to break it to ya, but that contract IS a hometown discount. The guarantees aren't much more than what Deion got from us 10 YEARS AGO...

If he hit the open market, I would have signed him to that deal in a heartbeat. Worst case scenario, he shows his age, moves to FS, and you usher him out after Year 2 for little to no cap hit. Best case, you've got an elite level performer for less than fair market value.

It's all moot now, but I'd rather have Champ at less than $11 million/per than Asomugha at $15 million/per. But that's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

WaitinGuilty,

The fact that a QB comes out of a spread offense doesn't mean he can't read a defense. And the fact that a QB comes out of a pro-style offense doesn't mean he can (Jimmy Clausen).

Most QB's run spread systems in college, with the exception of Andrew Luck and Jake Locker. It's the norm in college now and it doesn't hinder the selection of QB's.

Scouts and talent evaluators (or beep-beeps) will sit down and watch the film of a player in college and determine if he's making reads and doing it effectively, regardless of the offense.

Read the interview with Charlie Casserly on CSN from yesterday, he gives good insight into the process.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

ps Scamp... don't overthink it buddy. The point, all along, is that smarts are the de facto determinant for high quality QB play. And the running joke is a candidate comparison to VY's score, whether its 6, 8, or 16. Dude is as gifted as there ever was physically, but is basically dumber than Texas dirt with the maturity level of a 12 year old. An immature 12 year old. Which is why he sucks as an NFL QB, and no well run team wants him despite the occasionally gaudy numbers and highlight reel eye popping plays sprinkled about.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2011 7:31 AM |

Not overthinking it bro. Everyone knows that VY is the mental equivalent of my balls. Actually, they're much smarter. Just thought you were misinterpretting what he was saying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I welcome debate provided someone uses evidence to support his claims.

I am awaiting yours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Do you also need proof that the moon orbits the earth? That the sun is hot?

I mean, what I'm arguing is what you hear from every NFL analyst in the world?

I have never heard, someone say that the college spread develops QBs faster than a college pro set offense. Never.

And I've no heard or seen anyone lately advocate the NFL move to a base college spread to match the QB they drafted.

Yes, there are hybrid uses of it, usually by the best and most accurate Qbs and teams in the NFL. But you can't throw a young QB in and ask him to run a college style spread in the NFL. He'd get killed and the team would never be able to run the ball.

Do you remember what happened to the run and shoot?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

That's how you build a winner.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 10:06 AM

What is with this guy etrod? He can't seem to make up his mind. In just one day he's cited 12 different strategies and said about all of them "that's how you build a winner."

That can't be right, can it? 12 sure-fire ways? Where's his proof? What teams are following his 12 strategies?

There's this other guy, hessone, who says there's only one way to build a winner -- never sign free agents and it works for Green Bay. That was much more convincing until we looked at the facts and saw that Green Bay hires bunches of free agents every year -- seven last year.

So, I think we need higher standards of proof for this etrod guy before we follow any of his strategies, much less all of them.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey Mike Jones,

Good job as the new Redskins Insider.

Can I make a request?

I would like to get some news about re-signing Jammal Brown.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

WaitinGuilty,

The fact that a QB comes out of a spread offense doesn't mean he can't read a defense. And the fact that a QB comes out of a pro-style offense doesn't mean he can (Jimmy Clausen).

Most QB's run spread systems in college, with the exception of Andrew Luck and Jake Locker. It's the norm in college now and it doesn't hinder the selection of QB's.

Scouts and talent evaluators (or beep-beeps) will sit down and watch the film of a player in college and determine if he's making reads and doing it effectively, regardless of the offense.

Read the interview with Charlie Casserly on CSN from yesterday, he gives good insight into the process.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 10:17 AM |

Actually you are only partly correct. Running the spread offense in college doesn't mean that you can't read a defense, it just means you haven't had too. But you are wrong also, it absolutely does hinder the selection of a QB. Not having to read defenses for the last 2 or 3 or 4 years means there is a learning curve. What matters here is the QB's ability to learn and how quickly. A smart or football smart QB that runs a spread is a much safer bet then a VY type guy. I don't know how smart Cam Newton is but everytime he opens his mouth he seems pretty dumb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

waitingguilty

My point is the spread can't be an NFL base offense (As you propose)

You're changing the argument to win it.

The NFL teams that do run spread type systems do possess other ways of attacking defenses.

The colts used the spread and under the center and quick snaps against us to disrupt what our defense was trying to do: that's why NFL quarterbacking/managing is tough.

But what the packers showed everyone in the playoffs is that if you spread out a 3-4 defense, it forces the OLB to covers--and if he shows his intent to blitz, that's the 'hot' read the quarterback must respond to with a quick pass into the area the linebacker vacates.

Such a response also controls safety play as the safety must fill in where the blitzing 'backer is not in coverage.

And if you run a receiver behind the safety, the deep pass opens up--that's how the packers got 2 long scores against the steelers in the Super Bowl, btw.

But, again, if a guy writing in a blog gets that a spread offense allows for this, wouldn't an elite college quarterback also know it?

Just sayin'....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

From time to time, we engage in a little sarcasm and subtlety. Not to beep for him or anything, but he doesn't want to trade either player.

Now get back to whipping it...and whipping it good.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 9:47 AM |

Co-sign! Thanks for explaining that, MC51.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 23, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

WaitinGuilty,

The fact that a QB comes out of a spread offense doesn't mean he can't read a defense. And the fact that a QB comes out of a pro-style offense doesn't mean he can (Jimmy Clausen).

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely. And nowhere in any post did I say anything like this.

I simply stated that running a spread in college is widely believed to delay the NFL readiness of college QB prospects. And that those who run a pro set in college are widely believed to have an easier time adjusting to the NFL.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Shockey has been released. Rogers has been released. But the Redskins continue to hold onto Haynesworth.

Meanwhile, Atogwe is at 29 one player that would have been interesting to add to the mix.

He is still an effective player at a clear need position for the club.

With the paucity of draft choices in 2011 some of these other slots are going to have to be filled by free agents.

I think letting Shaun Rogers walk was the right decision, but Atogwe is perhaps a guy I would have made some attempt to bring into the fold.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 23, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

o_etrod

Scouts and talent evaluators (or beep-beeps) will sit down and watch the film of a (quarterback) player in college and determine if he's making reads and doing it effectively, regardless of the offense.


Fine point.

Each individual kid has his own strenghts and weaknesses, and to suggest that what he did in college doesn't help him as a pro would mean throwing out tape of his college games, wouldn't it?

All passing offenses require 'site adjustments and reading coverages', btw, so don't say, 'so and so' never had to makes reads in his college offense.

You evealuate the kd on if he makes the right read or how quickly he does it.

But again: there are more under 30 starters in the NFL than I can ever remember.

And to say the systems they ran in college didn't prepare them is laughable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Just sayin'....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...every one's "Just sayin"...

I'm getting brain damage from this discussion, so I'm choosing to move on.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Shockey has been released. Rogers has been released. But the Redskins continue to hold onto Haynesworth.

Meanwhile, Atogwe is at 29 one player that would have been interesting to add to the mix.

He is still an effective player at a clear need position for the club.

With the paucity of draft choices in 2011 some of these other slots are going to have to be filled by free agents.

I think letting Shaun Rogers walk was the right decision, but Atogwe is perhaps a guy I would have made some attempt to bring into the fold.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 23, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Imagine the All-Jerk team, with Shockey, Haynesworth and Rogers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how smart Cam Newton is but everytime he opens his mouth he seems pretty dumb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 10:27 AM


If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczrDOa5Asc

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Truth be told, there are about 10 posters on this blog with about 195 handles.

Posted by: BiggerVance

"I pledge allegiance, to the scam.."

Not I, said Ubu Grokkly..Christian can go Ponder in Buffalo, Moe..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Just sayin'....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...every one's "Just sayin"...

I'm getting brain damage from this discussion, so I'm choosing to move on.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

I'm just waiting for somebody to go to www.completelyretardedfootballfactsandstatistics.com and show some study to prove their point.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 23, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

And that those who run a pro set in college are widely believed to have an easier time adjusting to the NFL.


You must not watch a lot of college football.

The average college offense features all shotgun, all the time.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I've discovered that when someone prefaces a statement with "I'm not trying to...", they will proceed to tell you precisely what they are doing.

For example, "I'm not trying to be racist, but...[insert racist insult]."

Another: "I'm not not trying to rush you...[as they push you out the door].

Posted by: Alan4 | February 22, 2011 5:11 PM

Moe, no offense but you obviously don't know anything as much about football as I thought you did. So I can't have an intelligent debate with you on this topic. You've reverted into "Must be right mode- Even at the expense of reality".

You were probably the kid who watched Oklahoma in the 1980's and ran around saying the NFL should adopt the option as their base offense.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 9:59 AM

Do you also need proof that the moon orbits the earth? That the sun is hot?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:24 AM

I'm not trying to say WaitingGuilty is an arrogant prick, but....

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how smart Cam Newton is but everytime he opens his mouth he seems pretty dumb.

I think Cam Newton is an interesting gamble.

If he fails, then, well, it was expected.

But if he plays in the NFL like he did in college, he'll be a star of the 1st order.

He'll sell product and get people in the stands.

TENN would be the best place for him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Just curious...

Who in here supports an 18 game season?

Who wants to keep it at 16?

I say leave it at 16.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to say WaitingGuilty is an arrogant prick, but....

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant. And coming from a world champion expert on the subject of male genitalia- it must be true.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Alan4

It's all good.

Waitingguilty has his thoughts, and I got mine.

In fact, the debate was better for the blog than re-hashing OJ, Plax, or Shaun Rogers.

And neither of us is right, btw: and such discussions are always the best ones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant. And coming from a world champion expert on the subject of male genitalia- it must be true.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:59 AM

What? Thought scamp said he has the smartest balls around here?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Just because you play in the spread doesn't mean you can't progress through multiple reads. Bradford has game film with him making more than 1 read and making smart decisions after making multiple reads. He has shown that he can progress through his reads. Josh Freeman is another guy that has a ton of film showing him making multiple reads that result in smart decisions. This is not what is being said about Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert. What is being said about them is that they haven't had to make more than 1 read. Cam tends to tuck and run and Blaine likes to checkdown.

Jake Locker plays in a pro set but does not make good reads or particularly smart decisions.

Ponder flies through multiple read progressions as fast as anyone I can remember.

I don't know if I agree that pro set QBs are better suited or have an easier time adjusting to the NFL. Even a pro set college QB still has to adjust to the speed of an NFL defense and spread offenses are seeing more NFL schemes. What I do know is that pro set college QBs do have to make more than 1 read while some spread offense QBs can get by without it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

And neither of us is right

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 11:03 AM

I knew there was a reason I couldn't decide who was right.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant. And coming from a world champion expert on the subject of male genitalia- it must be true.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:59 AM

On a blog so dominated by men, having a urologist, particularly an award winning one, could come in handy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Ponder flies through multiple read progressions as fast as anyone I can remember.


And remember, this is my boy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I knew there was a reason I couldn't decide who was right.


I was having the same problem trying to figure out who was wrong. I suspect all college QB's have an adjustment to make coming into the NFL and the smarter ones adjust better.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 23, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I suspect all college QB's have an adjustment to make coming into the NFL and the smarter ones adjust better.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 23, 2011 11:13 AM

We've seen NFL veteran QBs struggle to adjust to a different NFL team's system. Very few QBs--from college, or even NFL vets--step right into any new NFL offense without an adjustment period.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Just curious...

Who in here supports an 18 game season?

Who wants to keep it at 16?

I say leave it at 16.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I say 16 and even cut one, but not two preseason games. Despite the complaining, those games do give younger guys a chance to make the club and gets vets in NFL game ready shape. No way the NFL goes there though, so I say keep it the way it is.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 23, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What? Thought scamp said he has the smartest balls around here?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 11:04 AM |

LOL! Actually I just said that they're smarter than VY...that ain't saying much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Who in here supports an 18 game season?

Who wants to keep it at 16?

I say leave it at 16.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:54 AM


I agree...keep it at 16. What the NFL does now works...which, of course, means the suits have to come in and f*ck it up.

To me, 18 games is too much. Too much for the players, too much for fans (at least this one). One of the reasons the NFL is the king of professional sports is because they play a shorter schedule (making it a rare and precious commodity), they have a one-game elimination playoff format, and it's a brutally physical game. You screw with two of those factors by extending the season.

Seems to me, the only people that want 18 games is the owners...you know, the guys that stand to profit the most...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

16 games is a good schedule. 18 games is just a money grabbing scheme. They could cut a preseason game too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I prefer the 16 game schedule. I wouldn't mind if they did away with a preseason game or at least didn't make me pay regular season prices for tickets I have never used.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 23, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Who in here supports an 18 game season?

Who wants to keep it at 16?

I say leave it at 16.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:54 AM

I'm still not saying you're an arrogant prick, but I agree with you on this.

brownwood hit all the best reasons why. I would even support going back to 14 games and dropping the bye week.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If I were the NFLPA, the only way I'd agree to an 18 game schedule is if it came with an extra bye week, 60 man rosters, more guaranteed money (higher salary cap) and guaranteed health insurance for all former players.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I would even support going back to 14 games and dropping the bye week.


Now we're talking.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 23, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

bw26- you're missing the point. Folks were saying that he would give the Redskins a hometown discount, play FS, and ride off into the sunset. Instead he gave his real hometown (Den) a discount and will continue to play CB where he's still elite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I've got it!

Let's go OLB/NT with our first two picks (in whatever order) and then get this kid to play QB as an undrafted FA:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tale-of-the-Tape-Alex-Tanney-vs-Johnny-Mac-in-?urn=ncaaf-324356

Championship!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

1 game, every team involved, anything goes Mad Max style...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

bw26- you're missing the point. Folks were saying that he would give the Redskins a hometown discount, play FS, and ride off into the sunset. Instead he gave his real hometown (Den) a discount and will continue to play CB where he's still elite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 11:37 AM

I hear ya Dies...I was dead wrong about Bailey not for that reason, but because I thought he'd bolt for the nearest contender. Staying in Denver shows dude is making one last money grab before retirement...

BTW...Kaepernick is on ESPN First Take right now...very engaging, seems like a good kid. Sure would look good in burgundy and gold...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Even though two more meaningful gamedays appeals to me in the abstract, my main reason for not wanting to change to 18 is that it will render records and benchmarks meaningless. Football isn't baseball where numbers are hallowed, but the benchmarks help fans sort out what they are seeing and compare it to previous teams and seasons. For instance, how long did it take for most football fans to digest that a 1,000 yard season for a running back over 16 games shouln't be the benchmark for a great season anymore?

It won't be the end of the world if they change it, but it's as good a reason as any other to not want the change.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

1 game, every team involved, anything goes Mad Max style...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I have this vision of Coach Shanahan riding Haynesworth around the field yelling "Who runs Bartertown? Who runs Bartertown?"

It's a disturbing thought.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant. And coming from a world champion expert on the subject of male genitalia- it must be true.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:59 AM

On a blog so dominated by men, having a urologist, particularly an award winning one, could come in handy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 23, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Free prostate exams? You better keep an eye on beep beep, knowing him, he'll get back in line after his turn.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

As far as I know the Redskins have not applied the franchise tag to a player since Champ before they traded him.

Why do we never seem to use the tag?

My theory revolves around the fact that Snyder has been quick to overpay and extend vets to circumvent the cap, thereby leaving no one worth the tag with and expiring contract.

Also we have not had enough good players to warrant using one it seems.

Anyone else ever think about this?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Deron Williams to the Nets...you know they had to do SOMETHING...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Free prostate exams?


Yeah, Dr. Longfinger is getting ready to perform them now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Why do we never seem to use the tag?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 11:54 AM


The more operative question is "Why do we never seem to have anyone on the roster worth tagging?"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's something to discuss...

Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon."
Newton on limited experience: "not to sound arrogant but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

Are these quotes another red flag or just the right amount of moxy/confidence you'd want from your QB?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

...but what I did in 1 year others couldn't do in their entire collegiate careers."

I see moxie/hubris/22 year old kid doing the expected.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Kind of an unusual item. When a team has a bunch of HOF players on it, its typically because they've done something special as a team, not just as individuals. Well, there is a team who had 6 HOF players on it for 3 consecutive years and went:

6-8
7-7
5-6-3

Those were the records of the 1965-1967 Washington Redskins, with HOFs Paul Krause, Sam Huff, Chris Hanburger, Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell and Sonny Jurgensen.

And ... its possible, though not likely, that there might be more Redskin HOF players from those teams. Jerry Smith (held the TD record for TE for 30 years and his stats easily match the other HOF TEs of that era) and/or Len Hauss (C, with 6 Pro Bowls) could one day make it into the Hall.

Still, 6 HOF players on the roster and not even one winning record in those 3 seasons.

Strange but true.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Are these quotes another red flag or just the right amount of moxy/confidence you'd want from your QB?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM


Red flag.

It's good to have moxie and confidence, but this kid is clearly putting the cart before the horse. Playing QB at an elite level will get him there. Winning a SB will get him there. It's OK to have goals like that, but A) keep them to yourself and B) make sure you clarify that playing winning football is the most important thing.

Unless, of course, that's not true...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Cam will make a great problem child, filling the vacated designated problem child slot after Fat Al gets the catapult..


Meet the new head of the Bahrain Center For Human Rights, Ali E. Neumann..

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2697/nabeelrajab.png

"Wassabi, me worry??"

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Point of Clarification/Flip Flop

On another note, I think I'll reverse myself and say signing Atogwe and S Rogers might be decent ideas for our defense as it opens a pick up for linebacker/defensive end.

And after that flip, I'd prefer not another flop.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Why do we never seem to use the tag?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 11:54 AM
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Have you really stopped having Sean Gilbert nightmares?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The meditation of the NFL labor dispute continues ... One thing that has been brought up is the need to cap the salaries of draftees. Sam Bradford got a guaranteed $50 M last year before he even took a snap from center at the pro level and a hardworking dude like Albert Fatsworth has to put in 7 yrs of toil at the pro level to get a measly $41 M in guaranteed loot! They just ain't no justice in that. It will be easy to cap rookie salaries because they ain't nobody representing them at the bargaining table. The onion dudes will want to redirect all that rookie loot to the vets and the owners will want to redirect it into their own pockets. My sympathy is with the onion dudes. Another thing - what about this Andy Luck dude? He elected to stay in school so he could get cappped $$$ next yr? That don't make no sense. What really scared him out of coming out was the prospect of playing for the wretched Panthers. Even though the dude's name is Luck it's possible he won't have any because when he does go into the draft pool next yr the Panthers will be waiting for him again with the number 1 pick and he will have to settle for capped $$$. And I thought them Stanford dudes was smart, not dumb shtis like Auburn grads and MistaMoe.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 23, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

On another note, I think I'll reverse myself and say signing Atogwe and S Rogers might be decent ideas for our defense as it opens a pick up for linebacker/defensive end.

And after that flip, I'd prefer not another flop.

Posted by: MistaMoe

A tandem of Orak and Von Miller would be most heinous, would it not??

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Have you really stopped having Sean Gilbert nightmares?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I will always look fondly on Sean Gilbert's contribution to the Redskins. After all we got back 2 first round picks for him which we parlayed into much more.

Of those 2 picks I think we used one on Chris Samuels and the other we traded to Ditka in the Ricky Williams fleecing.

My god...we used to actually win draft pick trades...coincidentally this all happened the year before Snyder bought the team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

...reason 101 why I ignore sports columnists:

from Jason Reid:

The Green Bay Packers have provided the blueprint for the right way to transition from the 4-3 to 3-4. Before committing to the change in 2009, the Packers drafted two top prospects at the scheme's most important positions: nose tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Raji and Matthews provided the foundation for the stout, big-play defense that helped the Packers defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl earlier this month.

Not to go there, but I bet I could pull up about 4o posts most of us have made about this topic over the past month.

And Mr. Reid offered it up today like it was some new found gospel.

The better topic for a 'professional' sports columnist would be to examine the overall faulty logic of using 4-3 players in a 3-4 scheme.

But I'm not a professional journalist.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

...reason 101 why I ignore sports columnists:

from Jason Reid:

The Green Bay Packers have provided the blueprint for the right way to transition from the 4-3 to 3-4. Before committing to the change in 2009, the Packers drafted two top prospects at the scheme's most important positions: nose tackle B.J. Raji and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Raji and Matthews provided the foundation for the stout, big-play defense that helped the Packers defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl earlier this month.

Not to go there, but I bet I could pull up about 4o posts most of us have made about this topic over the past month.

And Mr. Reid offered it up today like it was some new found gospel.

The better topic for a 'professional' sports columnist would be to examine the overall faulty logic of using 4-3 players in a 3-4 scheme.

But I'm not a professional journalist.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

But I'm not a professional journalist.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:41 PM |

You could be a professional dullard.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 23, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

On another note, I think I'll reverse myself and say signing Atogwe and S Rogers might be decent ideas for our defense as it opens a pick up for linebacker/defensive end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse
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There are 3 criteria in my book for signing anyone:

1. Can we get them near fair market value? Since we have stank up the joint over the last few years, we can't expect everyone to be falling over themselves trying to play in DC, so I'll accept 'near'.
2. Will they improve the unit they are assigned to when they are playing? In other words, don't pound square pegs in round holes.
3. Will they hurt the team when they are not playing? Does their contract prevent us from getting depth, or are we relying on 1 or 2 guys to play a 53 man game?

So regardless of who comes along, if they fit that bill... sign them.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 23, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

frak

A tandem of Orak and Von Miller would be most heinous, would it not??

Adding SR would make me say Miller @ 10.

He'd make a nice ILB with Fletch, and his coverage ability is outstanding.

SR, A Bryant, and a drafted NT at 4 would shut this blogga up...

....but only for a minute.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

But I'm not a professional journalist.

Whatever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Reid has been awful so far as a columnist. He tried to jump on the Snyder/City Paper bandwagon a week late for one, then beat the impossibly dead horse of the Rooney rule, now he emerges from a phone booth dressed as Captain Obvious telling everyone how the Superbowl winning/top Defense in the league might be nice to try and emulate.

I swear he has bribed someone at the Post.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

AntarcticCat

You could be a professional dullard....Whatever that is.

You're one cold cat or just a bad piece of rude, stinking pussy.

I'd say the latter rather than the former.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

A tandem of Orak and Von Miller would be most heinous, would it not??

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

That would be an ideal pick up for the Skins. I can't see it happening if the Skins stay put, but you never know. Keep an eye out if Quinn participates in the LB drills at the combine.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley/Davis to New Orleans! Let the bidding begin! Either one for a third, both for a second!

Posted by: beep-beep |


Of course, because everyone knows tight ends are meaningless in the NFL.

Better an untested 3rd rounder than an all pro like Cooley.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse


Take a flyer on Casey Mathews. His all pro brother was a alk-on at USC, but he's sorta gotten better.

Can't beat great blood lines.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I like the way our new RI writer looks, kinda eeeevilll, like the cat that just ate the canary, or just escaped out the backdoor at someone else's wife's house...MMMMOOOWAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Can't beat great blood lines.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse
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Marcus Vick says hello :)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Keep an eye out if Quinn participates in the LB drills at the combine.


Is the Quinn the Tar Heel kid?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Keep an eye out if Quinn participates in the LB drills at the combine.


Is the Quinn the Tar Heel kid?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I like the way our new RI writer looks, kinda eeeevilll, like the cat that just ate the canary, or just escaped out the backdoor at someone else's wife's house...MMMMOOOWAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted by: frak |

One post a day also means the inmates are now running the asylum.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Is the Quinn the Tar Heel kid?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Yep. He showed up at the Senior Bowl after a year out out of shape and overweight, so possible Haynesworth red flag issues..But a potential beast, no doubt..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I know this discussion is over but:

By Ira Miller, NFL.COM, Jan 8, 2008


When the Patriots' Bill Belichick has a coaching problem -- and he hasn't had many in recent years -- he turns to an unlikely source for advice and guidance...

...his closest coaching confidante appears to be the University of Florida's Urban Meyer, a man with whom Belichick never has worked, ...

Most significantly, Belichick has soaked up and incorporated elements of Meyer's spread offense.


There's more, but I'll stop beating a dead horse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

There's more, but I'll stop beating a dead horse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2011 1:36 PM

It's cool moe...don't see many other horses running around at the moment.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Mike Jones Heading Off To The NFL Combine Dive Ass Beeps

Posted by: PlayAction | February 23, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Is the Quinn the Tar Heel kid?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Yep. He showed up at the Senior Bowl after a year out out of shape and overweight, so possible Haynesworth red flag issues..But a potential beast, no doubt..

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2011 1:26 PM

That's not Quinn. Quinn is a junior DE. The other guy's name you're talking about escapes me at this time.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Who in here supports an 18 game season? Who wants to keep it at 16? I say leave it at 16."

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 23, 2011 10:54 AM

"I'm still not saying you're an arrogant prick, but I agree with you on this. brownwood hit all the best reasons why. I would even support going back to 14 games and dropping the bye week."


Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2011 11:29 AM

I am seriously conflicted on this issue. On the one hand, I am aware of the toll that playing this game we love takes on the bodies of the players, and I am concerned that two more games will mean more joint replacements, more arthritis, and more concussions that will that will affect these guys in later years, to the extent of possibly shortening their lives.

On the other hand, after each Super Bowl I am saddened by the fact that the season is over and that I have to wait six whole months until the games start again, and I look forward to even the preseason (which IS, I believe, too long) with a renewed sense of excitement.

In any event, whether we like it or not, I truly believe that it is going to happen. Frankly, I have believed that it has been inevitable since the USFL did it some years ago. I believe that the players will get some meaningful concessions, such as a second bye week, stricter limitations on off-season contact work, better health benefits for retired players, and larger rosters. But i believe that it's essentially a done deal. And I'll be there watching.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 23, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

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