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Award Time

Award Time

1 TCCLs - The Playoffs. Maybe next year. Then again ...

2 TCCLs - GM speculation. After listing to Coach Joe all week, I don't see much changing in the front office structure. They like their process, doing it by committee, etc. They'll be some changes, but I doubt anything this big. My hunch is we're wasting our breath (or typing fingers).

3 TCCLs - The Skins. Our New Orleans posse tells me the Skins came up with some tickets after all, when the TV stations got wind of the story or whatever. Hey, it worked out in the end. Better late than never.

5 TCCLs - The New Orleans kids. Keep the drinks cold for me. See 'ya Saturday night.

5 TCCLs - Biff. The World's Best Handyman. Hooked me up after I yanked the railing off the wall. Last night a closet damn collapsed. Guess who I'm calling?

5 TCCLs - Lamar Hunt, RIP. What a tremendous man who lived by the golden rule, had a genuine love of people and of life and touched everyone around him. I have never heard so many people speak glowingly of any public figure.
I met him a year ago after the Skins played in KC, and you would have no idea he was who he was. No airs. No BS. Just someone who truly wanted to make everyone feel welcome in his stadium. A man of the people, just by being himself.
He was simply beloved. And he was a winner. So much could be learned from this man, you only hope his peers in the NFL paid as close attention as they should have when he was still with us. US Soccer has had no greater benefactor and probably never will. In the darkest days of the NPSL and then the demise of the NASL, this man continued to pour his heart and wallet into the beautiful game, and he made it his life's passion through MLS as well.

It's a shame the people running the sport today don't operate with the same class he did. A great loss to American sports.

Obscure Music Suggestions:

Richard Hall and the Voidoids "Blank Generation." - Some people will try to tell you Malcolm McLaren and the Sex Pistols started the punk movement. Actually, they stole the look and sound from this genius. I'm not sure there's been a better song written in the last 40 years than "Blank Generation" - the blueprint for the attitude and sound to come out of New York and London throughout the rest of the 1970s. This is an overlooked classic. All the peeps out there shouting out Bad Religion and Bad Brains on the blog, you'd better have this in the collection. It's more melodic in places, but the lyrics are insane. Richard Hell is a legend, and should be treated as such.

Dead Kennedys "Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables" - Not as eclectic as their other stuff, but straight ahead, fast-paced punk. It'sa soundtrack to 1984, when a 10-year-old me was just figuring out what punk rock was. I had no idea of who Pol Pot was, and most of the sarcasm and political statements went way over my head, and only years later did I get the ironic message of tunes like "Kill The Poor" and "Califonria Ubber Alles." At the time it just seemed like the craziest stuff ever. I learned to respect it on a much deeper level.

Tropicalia: A Brazilian Revolution - This is a collection of Brazilian music, and it's awesome. My boy Trevor zapped it on my IPOD before I left to cover the World Cup, and once I stumbled upon it it became my pre-game ritual to listen to it during warm-ups, thankfully drowning out the regurgitated Euro-pop coming out of the stadium speakers.. I'd be the first to admit that "world music" is not my strong suit, but I defy any music lover not dig this disc. The tunes from Os Mutantes would appeal to any rock fan.

Swervedriver "Mezcal Head" - In the vein of other epic shoe-gazing treatises. These guys build up a soaring temple of sound, dip into some trance-like melodies and when all the guitars get cranking to 11, look out.

Placebo "Sleeping With Ghosts" - Gender bending rock with an electronic twist. Incredible song writing. I can't figure out why this band did not become huge. Sometimes it's a curse to be ahead of your time.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 15, 2006; 7:00 AM ET
 
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JLaC

Nice music shoutouts. In HS I got an old Arista New Voices LP...Patti Smith, Television, Lou Reed etc...Blank Generation was on there and it blew my mind...Do you have the collection on Hell they put out on Matador? I see him here in NYC all the time...running errands, the post office strolling down Avenue A...

I never dug many shoe gazer pretenious brittish bands...BUT Swervedriver did rule. I knew someone who worked for their label here in NYC whose only job when the band was here was to get them coke and then baby sit for 48 straight hours as they tweaked, bar hopped and debauched...

DK rule...pol pot pol pot pol pot pol pot...

Posted by: chris larry | December 15, 2006 8:38 AM | Report abuse

J LaC,

excellent coverage of the perennially disappointing skins. i've been impressed all season. just finished reading your article on rogers... sounds like the problem is his attitude more than his learning curve... he's making excuses for his play, rather than stepping up and taking responsibility.

for example:
"If I even just picked up the balls thrown to me, I think it would be a Pro Bowl season," Rogers, 25, said. and then, "It all starts up front," he said.

um, hardly. yes we need a pass rush, but aside from one good game, rogers has been a bust. none of us condemned skins fans will forget his dancing earlier. any chance some of the vets like springs or vincent will actually get through to this kid and give him an attitude adjustment? or will it take a spot next to archdeluxe for him to get the message?

Posted by: MattP | December 15, 2006 8:53 AM | Report abuse

-5,000 TCCL's - Carlos Rogers.

(Jim Mora voice... AGAIN)...

Pro Bowl???? PRO BOWL?????????????????

He has quickly turned into my most hated Redskin. This guy gets burned all year long (minus the Carolina game), drops pick after pick, says "oh well, nothing I can do about it, YO, then wants to talk about the PRO BOWL????????????

I am beside myself right now.

-2,000 TCCL's - Pub Golf

Are you kidding me with that post last night? I haven't seen a performance like that since Danny Devito on the View (Lemmonchello anyone????????)

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey Guys,

I deserve to be in the Pro Bowl, YO!

What a joke I am.

Posted by: Carlos Rogers | December 15, 2006 8:57 AM | Report abuse

to make the week even worse, they didn't tell me that a plane has about the same chance to actually take off from philly that dbl mov has of actually catching an interception . . .

will probably sit on the tarmac for another hour . . .

hope nate and P didn't drown/get blown away up in the pnw

props to the nola crew - when the next video post coming?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 15, 2006 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"1) Is there a LONG TERM Cooley extension imminent? Please say yes. I can see him as a lifelong Skin, if we offer it to him, and his marketability to Skins fans has got to tweak the Danny's nipples a little."

JLC, posted this on the last entry, but I don't know if you got a chance to read it. Any thoughts?

Ricky Bobby, I read PG's post this morning and it sounds to me like three things got dominated last night: a bottle or three of Jaeger, PG's keyboard and the English language.

I want to send my heartfelt admiration out to the Skins fans down in Naw'leans; jm220, Scott and everyone else. Good work... much respect.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

JLaC:

Os mutantes is seriously obscure . . .

Rita Lee - one if the driving creative forces behind the band went on to have a very successful career.

mad props for your 'eclecticness' . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 15, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't write much here but after reading JLC's Carlos Rogers article, I'm going to puke.

6 missed ints from a pro bowl? What is he smoking? Can someone please give us a stat on how many times he has been burned for long yardage?

CARLOS, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

Posted by: John From Herndon | December 15, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

props to your musical tastes. os mutantes are the bees knees. As far as the progenitors of punk thing, you really have to stretch back to bands like the MC5, New York Dolls and the Stooges. Television, the voidoids and all the other bands borrowed heavily from these proto-punk bands. Richard Hell actually left Television because Tom Verlaine refused to play his songs. He grabbed a couple of New York Dolls members and started the Heartbreakers, and then went on to form the Voidoids. Blank Generation was originally a Television song.

Oh yeah, and Carlos Rogers isn't good because he doesn't have Darrell Green or Champ Bailey to mentor him, he has Shawn Springs and, uhhh, Jimoh. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: tampadave | December 15, 2006 9:28 AM | Report abuse

'Rogers added that a more sustained pass rush from the defensive line would make the jobs of the defensive backs easier. "It all starts up front," he said.'

are you effin kidding me?!! Shut up and play.

Way to kick it off on a Friday am J-La. Mezcalhead is one of my all time fav records. I waited forever to see those guys- missed 'em in Philly when they toured with Smashing Pumpkins but finally caught them in Boston at the Middle East and it was worth the wait.

Chris- I have a buddy that worked at the Zero Hour label...small world.

The Sex Pistols were simply the Spice Girls of punk rock and more people need to know that. Although PiL was fantastic.

DK's 'Terminal Preppie' kills me everytime.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown - GOLD. They do look alike though right? Or is my memory tainted?

Highlander - loved it. Because of that show I want a house boat across from notre dame. Remember the Greek dude that was so old he didn't remember blowi...nevermind.

Since 7am:

4898 ozs of H2O.
2 english muffins w/ 42 ozs of butter.
4 border belch (a border belch is an almost puke and smells like Jaegar)
1 forecast review
1 dead roommate w/ puke on the bathroom floor.


What do you guys want to do next Thursday? I say we make badges with our blog names and pick a bar.

Thursday, it's the new Friday.

Highlander...astounding.

PG

Posted by: Pub | December 15, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Exasperated, I turn to quotes from the past:

0 TCCL-Carlos Rogers:

"You've got hands of stone, get off my field" My High School Football coach.

1 TCCL- The Redskins Front Office:

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.", Santayana.
Perhaps a more modest approach to FA is in order this year.

2 TCCL- Joe Gibbs' comment on liking the Democratic structure of personel decision-making I reference my favorite orator.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

Joe, Have you heard Vinny speak? I have he sounds confused.

4 TCCL: To the loyal Redskins Nation.

"When you're going through hell, keep going" Winston Churchill


5 TCCL: To those volunteering down in New Orleans. You get two:

"Don't ever question the value of volunteers. Noah's Ark was built by volunteers; the Titanic was built by professionals." Unattributed

"It is one of the beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely help another without helping himself."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson


Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

ENOUGH!!! JLC, will YOU please answer what "TCCL" means, since the FAQs have never been created (or at least findable)?

It's your blog, but come on, how much of an insider to you have to be, considering you post them every Friday!!!

There are NEW readers every now and then.

Posted by: Blogerator | December 15, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

PS

I'm bloggin my guts out today. No way I can make this company better in this condition. I'm looking at 6 computer screens right now and aiming for the ones in the middle.

4th - Rappin 4tay? WC style? I got players' club playing right now. Old skool baby. sucka free.

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Nice music mix, especially fond of the Dead Kennedys and Human Sexual Response. Brings back fond memories of my college years in Boston circa 1980-84 when I had the chance to work at several clubs where I met people like Joey Ramone and Sting and which led to a summer touring with Van Halen as a roadie.

Posted by: Lester Burnham | December 15, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

If you looked at the schedule in September the NO game was a definite W, write it down with a sharpie, no possible way we could lose that one. Now I can't think of a possible advantage we might have (other than that we'll have a solid blog crew at the game). Funny how things change.

Not so much funny, like the hahaha kind of funny. More like the depressing, self-loathing kind of funny.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

TCCL= Tom Cruise Couch Leaps

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Lester,

Whats the worst drug you've done?

Just kidding.

A roadie!!!?? You gotta have some good stories. Feed me.

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 9:55 AM | Report abuse

skinz,

brilliant!!!!! I let out a squeaker on that one....

PG,

Honest to god, meet me at RR at 3:00. I'll be waiting.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

TCCL= Tom Cruise Couch Leap

gotta run...Zenu calls!

Posted by: tomkat | December 15, 2006 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I am mentally retarded.

Posted by: Carlos Rogers | December 15, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I feel ya PG. I'm in the same boat today.

Anyone have any idea whether it's the Jaeger or the Red Bull that makes me wake up at like 3 unable to go back to bed? Perhaps it's just the copious amounts of both.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Alright, who isn't hungover today? I had about 7 jager bombs and 14 Corona's last night. I'm about to shut my door and take a nap.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody watch games on the NFL network? Has there ever been a less relavant TV station?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 10:08 AM | Report abuse

...keep forgetting to share this one with everybody:

Sunday am I'm Christmas shopping with the wife at Target in Brooklyn. Miserable experience all around until I get a call from the Fed Ex parking lot and my Mom's all "hey, I have someone who wants to talk to you" and puts Chief Z on the phone.

We're jammed in the housewares section and I'm like "Chief Z!! Hope your doing better man...happy holidays..you keep throwing punches!" Z: "They can't get me down, son...God Bless..go skins" Me:"alright Z you take care of yourself get well!!"

My lady is looking at me like she's going to gouge my eyes and there's a logjam of angry shoppers while Z and I shoot the breeze. He tells me he's enjoying a steak, I tell him he deserves it, people are pissed and yuletide cheer abounds.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Joe,

I heard that Al Gore is the new RB for SF? I can't believe that idiot Gumbel called him Al Gore.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Jeff,

That's pretty sweet.

Chief Z rode by me in his scooter on the way out of FedEx on Sunday. He looked pretty good.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Jeff,

Target in trhe Atlantic center? what a nightmare...can't wait for the basketball stadium...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 15, 2006 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I like the Bryant rounds to the nearest 5 yard marker when giving down and distance. I also enjoy his gratuitous use of the word "about"

"3rd and 5, ball on about the 20 yard line. First down is about the 22."

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 10:14 AM | Report abuse

skins....it's gotta be the red bull. most of the time when i make jaeg + red bull drinks, i use half a red bull. it's more concentrated, but doesnt taste bad either. red bull is so damn sweet, a whole can doesnt always need to be used

Posted by: k-man | December 15, 2006 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Please dont hate me. I am a player but I suck a lot. Hey, its not my fault that the redskins picked me. They wanted to give me a lot of money and make me a core redskin.

Posted by: Carlos Rogers | December 15, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Applebeers in Germantown.

1pm.

R Bobby, Pub Golf, and anyone else who wont get fired for leaving early.

Skinz! You're a RWE fan or just a quote fan? I love that guy. Had to read an essay on man and nature just to get over the Indy trip.

Red Bull - I guarantee a study evolves in the next 15 years detailing the epiliptic seizures that sh!t causes. I shake like Leaving Las Vegas after 4 of those things the previous night.

RB- just talked to Dfly - I'll meet you at his place. Less cars = less DUI's.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers earns my just shut up award for this week. Hey Carlos Rogers just shut up!!!!

Posted by: calebt17 | December 15, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse

More a fan of quotes. I enjoy just about everything from RWE with the exception of his whiney protege HDT.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Ricky B- good news...glad to hear Z's in good shape.

Chris- yea...Target at the Atlantic Center what a goatf**k. I think it's cool that the Nets are coming to Brooklyn but that arena is going to be the worst jam ever. Glad I rent and don't own!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Jeff and Chris, that place is a nightmare. Absolute worst customer service ever.

But I do love the toy guy on the ground floor when you enter. He's always flying a remote control helicopter or something. I await the day when he lands that thing on someone's head and gets knocked out. That would make the trip worth it...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Actually, TampaDave, Rogers has Shawn Springs (who is a great role model) and Troy Vincent.

The season is almost over...and for the Skins it really is over...we have 3 more games and nothing else to look forward to. Can we please try to find something positive? I know....I know...that is quite a challenge but if I can try (and I am by nature kinda pessimistic) then anyone can.....the negativity gets so old.

I'll go first....possible "positivity"...we may have found a kicker....

Posted by: Lisa | December 15, 2006 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Tomkat and Skinz: THANKS MEN!!!

Posted by: Blogerator | December 15, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe Ralph invented High Def Television...

I seriously can't believe we're talking friggin LIT on the blog! This would never have happened if I had stayed home last night.

Sorry to geek out on every one - but I really was thinking about the following this wknd and applying to our own Gordan Gecko aka Dsny:

In that essay he said, "As thinkers, mankind have ever divided into two sects, Materialists and Idealists; the first class founding on experience, the second on consciousness; the first class beginning to think from the data of the senses, the second class perceive that the senses are not final, and say, the senses give us representations of things, but what are the things themselves, they cannot tell. The materialist insists on facts, on history, on the force of circumstances, and the animal wants of man; the idealist on the power of Thought and of Will, on inspiration, on miracle, on individual culture. These two modes of thinking are both natural, but the idealist contends that his way of thinking is in higher nature."

On a spectrum of the transcendtal - I think Gordan and Angelos are floating at the wrong end of the bell curve...

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Pub G,

I'll be there. Don't be late.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Just read JLa's article. As I understand it Carlos feels that had he gotten those 6 int's instead of dropping them and picked up the ball a little better while covering it'd have been a pro bowl season for him.

In a strange coincidence I was just remarking to a friend the other day that were i able to run a 3 minute mile, swim very fast and ride a bike better than Lance Armstrong I'd have been a triathelete.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Re: the Seahawks game last night. My husband said it best when he pointed out that Bryant Gumbel will never be more than an anchorman. He is SO not cut out for sports commentary or game calling. I think he's trying to compete with big brother Greg, and Greg is so much better at it than Bryant. Oh, and Cris Collinsworth just needs to shut up. Couldn't stand him when he was on FOX, and can't stand him now.

Posted by: bandwagon blues | December 15, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

RB,

ummmmmmmm...Dfly just dropped a BOOMB on me.

"Lunch at Camelot".

R U KIDDING ME?

what do they serve?

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Bryant Gumbel isn't even that good an anchor... he is the most devoid of personality talking head I've ever seen... And I hear he's a real pr!ck as well...

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse

sorry Lisa- J-la's article today confirmed everything I had been thinking about double move...I'm runnin on anger only here.

Maybe Sunday changes that. Swiss Ham could be a bright spot but I'm waiting to see how he finishes out. We've had kicker woes for years and being the wounded dog of a fan that I am, I can't get my hopes up after one game.

Yo Bucktown...the toy guy was off duty for some reason the other day. Our freakin cart got stuck when the cart escalator went down...awesome times at the Targe'.

We should set up some Brooklyn skins pre game antics with Chris Larry next year...I'm out for this season. Sticking to Sonny & Sam and d-bag LM on the Sirius for the rest of the '06 debacle.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If Carlos Rogers deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, then I'm the President of the United State. And no, I'm not talking about the band! Rogers does something I never thought could be done: make Fred Smoot look good when he played here. And man was he awful too. Just like "Wil-Burn" Barry. Remember him?

On a different note, condolences to the Lamar Hunt family. He was an icon and will be missed by the NFL. I find it interesting when someone who has done so much for the league passes, Dan Snyder is never quoted. Does he not understand what these men did in order for him to be where he is? What an owner we have!

Posted by: wolff | December 15, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Jeff, I watch the game every Sunday on Direct TV with three diehard Skins fans.

I'd be down to meet up for a game at your spot next season. Didn't you say you frequent a low-key Sports bar in Park Slope or something? Chris?

JLC, any word on whether or not we can keep this blog up over the off season and into next year?

We all know the offseason is the best part of our year anyway... ouch.

Now I'm crying at work. Why do I do this to myself?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown- yea '200 5th' on 5th ave. Place is sweet but not necessarily low-key. Last time I was in there some effed up drum circle kept breaking out and people were getting weird with it after each TD.

Strong amount of skins fans, great football atmosphere but you have to be ready to talk smack with Giants fans.

we'll hook something up for '07. Maybe next year Danny will offer live feeds of FA contract negotiations & signings as March is always glorious.

hey Danny!! I smell a few more dollars!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

In the end...there can be only one.

1) Bryant Gumbel is a nice man. There, I said something nice. This is the worst play-by-play announcer in the history of televised sport. The NFL network should be beaten with a ken-po stick for just assuming that a studio guy can just walk into a booth and call a game. He feels he has to 'talk up' and project at the stadium and it makes his voice that much more grating. It's like tone of a wounded mountain cat mixed with a billy goat trying to order McDonald's breakfast after 10:30.

2) Playing CB in the NFL is very hard. I think you have to have a short memory and you have to be a bit delusional to be successful because every failure is so pronounced. That said, pipe down about Pro Bowls there big dog. How about, 'I need to play better. The rest of that stuff will take care of itself'? No, you're right, let's say: 'I'm playing great but the stupid lineman are bad'. Perfect, now I'm arrogant and I roll my teammates under a bus.

Henceforth, a Carlbingus is making false claims about yourself. Example:

I bench press 425. Carlbingus.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | December 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

CARLOS ROGERS AIN'T GOT NOTHIN' ON MY BOY ROY "KNOCK YOU OUT" WILLIAMS. FUNNY HOW ROGERS IS BLAMING THE LACK OF PASS RUSH ON HIS BAD PLAY. CRY ME A RIVER BABY-BOY. OH YEAH!!!!! DALLAS GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS WHILE SKINNIES SIT AT HOME. COWBOYS #1 TEAM, #1 COACH, #1 OWNER, #1 FANS, AND #1 NEW STADIUM!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Park slope ale house used to be alright. Never wathced NFL games there tho.

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Jeff & Buck

Me and my skins crue would be up for joining forces. The one dude who has direct tv is bagging it after the season so we are homeless next year. Jeff, we do sometimes go to 200th 5th but that joint is crazy...I am like 1 for 15 there viewing victories although did recently enjoy the Panthers game there. The Giants fans there are annoying...who would go there if you could watch in your living room??? The worst part is the horde of front runner steelers fans...Who knows Jeff we have probably high fived there in the past...I do know I love the long haired asian dude in the leather jacket..

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 15, 2006 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I eat my own boogers.

Posted by: Blogerator | December 15, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

bravo skinz!!!!

jason, could you please send over the biff contact info. thanks!

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to be up in NYC next weekend for the Skins Gmen game. I'm staying on Bleeker and Broadway.

Anyone rolling out somewhere for the game?

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

okay i've been thinking...and before you guys burn me in effigy please understand what i'm asking:

Q. Is Jason Campbell to Gibbs 2.0 as Desmond Howard was to Gibbs 1.0?

Desmond Howard was a bust here but he later became one of the best returners in the NFL. and was the superbowl MVP.

Jason Campbell might as well be a good QB in this league. I'm conceding Carson Palmer ability. But is Carson Palmer worth 2 first round picks and total of 4 first round picks? even NOW!?!

To me I say no, Carson Palmer, a proven NFL QB isn't worth 4 high picks. to any team let alone a team that has holes the size of titanic. all over the field.

and i think it was nate who pointed out yesterday about the vandy defense comment made al saunders in jason's article. to me that is a slap in the face of jason's ability and nothing less and nothing more.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Look at that post above in all caps and tell me you can come to a conclusion other than the internet is very weird. Imagine someone's motivations....whatever, justa carlbingus anyway.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 15, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

yes... and no.

yes, I honestly believe JC will be a good (not great) QB in this league.

but no, I don't think he's worthy of 3 picks. I agree with you that not many players are... that's why you stay in your slot and draft where you are.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I LOVE SMALL BOYS!!

Posted by: BOOFER | December 15, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

skinz, i hate to tell you this but the game's in landover, md. not in nyc.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, I'm not following your, Jason Campbell/Desmond comparison? How are they comparable? And we didn't give up 2 first round picks for Campbell, why is that so hard to understand?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 15, 2006 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I dont post here too often, but read all the time. Anyway, BG is awful and the combination of his voice and terrible stumbling over words habit is atrocious!!!! I've never heard anyone sounds so unexcited for a big play...
"and al gore is running with the football, he's hit and down, no, hes still runnning, running, he is about 50 yds from the endzone, he is still running... for president hahaha, oh wait frank gore scored 20 minutes ago."

On a side note, my wife asked me why I dont mute commentators during the game, b/c i always complain about them... doesnt she know thats PART of watching a game???

Posted by: RE: NFL Network... Bryant Gumbalina | December 15, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Oops, I didnt put my name on the last one and referenced what I was trying to talk about in my name section... thank God its Friday!!! 1 TCCL for me!

RE: NFL Network... Bryant Gumbalina

I dont post here too often, but read all the time. Anyway, BG is awful and the combination of his voice and terrible stumbling over words habit is atrocious!!!! I've never heard anyone sounds so unexcited for a big play...
"and al gore is running with the football, he's hit and down, no, hes still runnning, running, he is about 50 yds from the endzone, he is still running... for president hahaha, oh wait frank gore scored 20 minutes ago."

On a side note, my wife asked me why I dont mute commentators during the game, b/c i always complain about them... doesnt she know thats PART of watching a game???

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | December 15, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Time for....
Count the Amount!

i'll go with
Saints 52
Redskins 31

Posted by: k-man | December 15, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

ArtMonkToTheSticks - "He feels he has to 'talk up' and project at the stadium and it makes his voice that much more grating. It's like tone of a wounded mountain cat mixed with a billy goat trying to order McDonald's breakfast after 10:30."-

what I was trying to say but couldnt put into words... bravo.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | December 15, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Time for....
Count the Amount!"

Ok... I'll play along...

Saints 31
Redskins 13 (Saints' D is pretty good, our offense, alas, is not.)

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, Saints' offense is pretty good too... our defense, alas... not.

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Skinz. I'm heading home for to DC to visit family that whole week.

Dealer, that was me who brought up the Vandy quote. I don't think it was an insult to JC so much as a selective example choice. Saunders was trying to illustrate a point, and chose the worst team in the SEC to do it with. Remember that Campbell went undefeated in his senior year playing not playing Vandy, but Tennessee (twice), Arkansas, Georgia and Alabama. He also had a near 70% completion rate that year.

I think JC could be the future for the Skins. Good vs. great... I don't know. It's way too early to tell.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Count the Amount!!

2 Big Plays given up by StinkBowl bound Carlos Rogers.

50 points scored by the Saints

17 points scored by the Redskins

2 TDs by Bush

1 team fighting their guts out

1 heart broken in Hernon...

Posted by: John From Herndon | December 15, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Saints 31
Skins 6

spread should be 19.5, not 9.5.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

i have to say...the callers on the "Count.." segment on 980 clearly favored the skins to pull it off on friday.

my question to you guys is:

what will the skins gain by winning on sunday?
wouldn't you rather lose and hope to preserve draft status?
secondly, a win by us could....just could be the one thing the cowpunks might need to steal a first round bye away from the Saints

Posted by: k-man | December 15, 2006 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"1 heart broken in Hernon..."

Look at the bright side John... The 'Skins provide an excellent crutch to justify heavy drinking on Sundays...

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

A few more of these storms and the folks in the Pacific NW might become less over-caffeinated pansies after all. You know how folks in Chicago and New York and Boston walk around with perpetual hair on their chest because the environment forces them to shut up and deal? Not so here in the Pacifc NW. What for me is a prime excuse to bunker down in a bar is for them a prime excuse to whine like schoolgirls.

In any event, mass mayhem here. Power out, bridges closed, trees in the middle of freeways.

And I've got a hangover the size of Manhattan.

Worst thing ever: my satellite dish was blown off its stanchion and cracked in two. I'm living like the Amish right now without my teevee, and now I'll need to find a bar to watch the game this weekend. Oh, the horror!

Posted by: P Diddy | December 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Odds for this Sunday:

1 million to 1- the Skins actually win

2 to 5- the camera glances to Joe during the game and he looks confused on the sideline

1 to 100- following a 49-3 Skins loss to the Saints, Coach Joe comments in his presser how "proud" he is...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 15, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

k-man, I personally want to win out in order to stay in the middle ground of the first round. That is our best shot at staying close to Denver and only swapping first rounders (which allows us to keep our third rounder), instead of just giving them our third. I want as many draft picks as possible.

I also think there is a wealth of talented D-line prospects in the first round projections. Maybe we can end up in the 20s and get Lamarr Woodley.

I am a Wolverine, and will rep them fully til death. They got screwed.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Buck,

I will say I felt that Michigan had the best case to play in the title game. I was having this conversation with a buddy who is a huge Mich. fan. My only comment is that you didn't get "screwed" because you had a shot and didn't get it done.

Again, I feel Michigan had the best case and if I had a vote it would have gone to them but I don't think you got "screwed". Maybe that's just semantics on my part Florida has a solid case as well.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Jeffrey Lewis does an amazing rundown of the history of NY punk in a song: "The History of Punk on the Lower East Side" which he traces back to 1950 and stops at 1976. He ends it with "England steals all the credit, that's how it goes."

This is a fantastic song, if anyone can find it out there.

Posted by: TV | December 15, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

great article Ricky B-

"We looked at doing a Redskins-branded soda and Redskins-branded hot dogs, too," Swanson said. "We said that's not right. We're not in the food business."

Wow. What tremendous depth and understanding these guys have. Talk about respecting tradtion and the culture surrounding the team.

Chris- we probably did high-five at 200 5th in better days. The asian dude is a treat...I remember a game last year when we had just scored but were toast and he turns and grabs me and is like 'onside kick! onside kick!' We lost. The Jaguars game there this year was awesome.

There's a more civilized joint called the lighthouse one block down on 5th that has the direct tv pckg. Not as many screens, but if we have strength in #'s I'm sure they'll tune the skins in. Might actually be able to pay attention the game instead of talking smack with the blueshirts.

PG- Park Slope Ale house is good spot- haven't been in awhile but used to frequent with my better half when we were first dating.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Dudes. I had a few pops last night before heading home and the result was a slew of rambling posts (on the last thread). But this morning when I read PG's drunken posts I saw how meager and trifling were my efforts.

Tonight I get a rare night Out On the Town and will try to come in here strong with some worthy nonsense in the wee hours.

Count and the amount
Saints 31, Redskins 7 at the end of the first half. Skins make it interesting but lose 41-21.

Tom Benson umbrella twirls: 26

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Don't criticize the Campbell trade if you don't remember what was traded. It wasn't 2 firsts rounders. It wasn't 4 picks. It was the following:

2005 First Rounder (#25 overall)
- for -
2005 Third Rounder
2006 First Rounder (#22 overall)
2006 Fourth Rounder

Essentially for the price of a 3rd and 4th rounder, we got to exercise our 2006 pick a year early. If this guy turns out to be even similar to Carson Palmer (don't know where that comparison came from) then this is THE SMARTEST TRADE OF ALL TIME.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers? Pro Bowl? You are seriously delusional. No TCCLs for you. Shut up and play. Blaming others' play for your own struggles sounds eerily like you've been visiting Mo Clarret-land. Been sipping Grey Goose and playing with firearms lately?

Posted by: skinswest | December 15, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

diddy, sorry to hear. i just saw that on tv and thought of you. just hang in there buddy.

gregg, joe felt the same excitement about jc as he felt about desmond howard. why else would he give up so much of redskins future to draft him? desmond howard never lived up to the expectations. will jc live up to his 4 pick expectations? will he be peyton manning or better?

no one knows. but he didn't start his first year or half his second year. heck didn't even practice with the first team for a year and a half. if the coaches deemed him worthy of 4 draft picks during the draft why didn't they think so after the draft? and please don't give me the BS of joe not playing young QB's. cuz why the hell did he draft him and give up so much for him if he wasn't going to play him? was he going to groom him for the next coach?

also let's say JC in the next three games has on average 200 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT ...

and skins keep their first rounder...

and just like matt leinart, reggie bush teams picking above the skins have a brain f@rt moment and either troy smith and brady quinn are still on the board. you actually think that skins aren't going to take them?

for the record i believe JC's first INT wasn't that bad. he was in the sunlight and the defender was in the shadows. yes, he SHOULD've seen him but he didn't. and the second INT was poor execution by cooley. so yes, i'm drinking the coolaid on JC. what i'm questioning is here with the draft question is the org's desire to give JC a fair shot...

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

joe, if you were standing in line with 9 other people how many people would there be in the line?

9 or 10?

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

...thinking skins will break the teens and hold N.O. to a field goal once, therefore:

N.O. 31
Skins 17

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,

I would love to have this conversation, as I have many times over the last few weeks, with you, but this is not the place. I am a diehard Michigan fan, but also a rational, logic-based individual. I do agree that Florida has a case for a shot, but nowhere near as strong as Michigan, thus the "screwed" comment.

The bowls are a neutral site game for a reason -- home field advantage is HUGE in college football. Michigan went to OSU's house and lost by 3 (the standard handicap for a home team in an even match) in a "one for the books" game. I submit, by the same token, that OSU had the chance to prove that they were definitively the best team in the country, and failed.

Also, since the BCS was instituted, a rule that both teams in the Championship game need be conference champions has been submited twice. Twice it has been voted down. It's a crock that people voted against a rematch for that reason.

I did it, and I'm sorry. I got into it, when I said I wouldn't. I apologize. If you are interested in a very concise breakdown of the flawed logic that put Florida in the title game, check this out:

http://bravesandbirds.blogspot.com/2006/12/weighing-in-on-floridamichigan.html

My apologies for rambling,
Bucktown

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 12:31 PM | Report abuse

dealer, no fair bringing the brain teasers on Hangover Friday.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 15, 2006 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Skins 24
NO 21

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's who those picks turned into:

2005 76th overall: Karl Paymah
2006 22nd overall: Manny Lawson
2006 119th overall: Brandon Marshall

Paymah is a backup CB for the Broncos.
Marshall is the Broncos #4 WR.
Lawson was a Lineman at NC State but has converted to SLB for the Niners.

So there you go. If Campbell turns out to be a franchise passer - and none of us can say that he will or won't - then certainly that's worth the price of an undersized lineman, a nickel corner, and a scrub receiver.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 12:33 PM | Report abuse

don't forget this is a homecoming for JC. and the whole team's gonna be pumped up for it.

sorry diddy. if you want help you can go to Mr. F :
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Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse

joe, do you know what you just proved? that a coach can never be the GM.

i guess joe picked the right team to trade with. another egomaniac coach who thinks he can run the whole show all by himself.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

nice research , joe in herndon...
trade doesnt seem so bad anymore.

now, please tell me the duckett trade isn't as bad as it seems.

Posted by: k-man | December 15, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I've read that thing about the line 9 or 10 times and I still don't get what you're saying. Your quote:

But is Carson Palmer worth 2 first round picks and total of 4 first round picks?

I assume you mean 4 first day picks. Regardless, I count 2 first day picks (2006 #22, 2005 Third) + 1 second day pick (2006 Fourth). Does 2 + 1 not equal 3 anymore?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Has Jason indicated what he's up to after the season is over? Does he wander around covering the playoffs, or does he get the Arena Football beat?

Posted by: P Diddy | December 15, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Duckett trade is... hmm... can't help you there. That was/is pretty bad, wasn't it?

I've only been to Herndon once.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"another egomaniacAL coach..." should've read...

but you know...a part of me thinks that if joe gibbs, a HOF'er can give up on HIS OFFENSIVE mind, the very thing that got him in the HOF. that maybe, just maybe this org. structure isn't his idea. and after reading bos article he's saying "RESCUE ME FROM DANNY WORLD!! SOMEBODY PLEASE!"... or maybe he does think he has the knack for picking players.

i don't know. i guess we'll have to wait for 2 more years to find out the truth.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know where Herndon is on a map. Then again, I'm a product of the Montgomery County school system. I don't even know how to tie my shoes properly.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 15, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, I'm changing my name because Moss, ARE and Lloyd just aren't the Posse Redux. Maybe next year. At least this name is quicker to type.

Anyway, Rogers needs an attitude adjustment before all else. Blaming the line and life in general ("He gave me a double move. Can't do nothing about it.") is his major problem. Easiest way to cover a double move? Um, don't fall for it. I will give him this though, it would help if the safeties weren't always blitzing or out of position. Sometimes you need backup because the other guys get paid to juke you. If they couldn't then they wouldn't be playing.

I'm still reeling that DoubleMove thinks he's better at basketball than football too. I bet Arenas would school the hell out of him and then he'd feel just like he does on the football field. It's a no win situation for him, I guess.

Can we go home yet? Or maybe just hop a plane to the Big Easy?

Posted by: [cc] | December 15, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

joe, what did the redskins think when they picked carlos rogers?

that he's worth ONE first rounder. right?
that's 1. 1+0(nothing else they gave up)=1

so if JC gets drafted in the first round he is equal to ONE first rounder.

but if skins give up additional picks for JC then it's

1+whatever they gave up for him?
so JC is worth 1+3=4

do you follow me?

and yes, sorry for the typo. i didn't mean to say 4 first rounders i meant to say 4 high rounders.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

haha...got confused with herndon/raleigh...
we got john from herndon and joe from raleigh...
my bad.

Posted by: k-man | December 15, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Joe,

It was still a high price to pay for a guy that wasn't going to play for a couple year. What was the hurry? Was he a once in a lifetime prospect.

Also, you can't go on who the Broncos picked. If you use that logic I can say with those picks the Skins could have gotten:

Sean Considine to play safety for us rather than Bingus.

This year we could have used either of those picks to get Marcus Colston.

Buck,

As I said, I would have voted for Michigan personally. But they had the chance and didn't get it done. The only teams that get screwed (again in my opinion) are those that go undefeated and don't get a shot.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

i'm just reading what you guys are quoting that rogers said. this team needs a leader. who can crack a whip on rogers and lloyd. seriously if i didn't have a bad back, over 10 minute mile, broken chest, bad ankles, knees, i'd go over to ashburn and kick their butt. and these are "character" guys they hand picked?

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

They didn't "move up" in the 1st to get Jason. They used their 2005 First Rounder on DoubleMove (ugh). But they wanted to pick again that year, so it was: 0+whatever they gave up.

0+3=3. Three picks.

From reading your other posts, I think we agree that trading away picks is usually pretty stupid. I'd say in this case, given Campbell's availability and upside, that it was smart. Of course, Brunell, Duckett, Lloyd, Coles, Morton, and Bowen are harder to defend.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Double move needs to shut up and be accountable. Got me to thinking how much I like the fact that Sean Taylor doesn't speak to the media. I know it doesn't make your job any easier J-La, but the dude goes out and performs and that's it. Let the playing do the talking.

Rodgers is not quite bum status yet...but he's sure close. He is the biggest dissapointment of the season. More so than all the FA's as it was his second year in the system.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This rehasing is silly...whats done is done...lets get back to music or nostalgia or as Lisa says what fixes or positives going forward...

If Campbell is our dude for 3-6 years than it wont matter what we paid...if he fizzels the bad news will come in bunches and what we paid will sort of be irrelevant as well...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 15, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Pub Golf...since I could just wander around venues like the Spectrum in Philly and get high from breathing, recreational drug use never appealed to me, but that does not mean that you don't see some crazy stuff on tour.

While there are some great stories about groupies and shenanigans backstage and on the bus, the most memorable ones happened during show prep or strike. For example, an electrician blacked out a good portion of Boston (and almost electrocuted himself) while showing off...not funny now, but very funny then watching him emerge running from an electrical closet with flames chasing him. Or the time that I was on a light truss 40 feet up and saw that it was not secured to the right structural member and it began to fall.

Hardly the stuff featured in Rolling Stone, but I have great memories of working with acts like the GoGos, Police, Bangles, Men at Work, Elvis Costello, Dave Edmunds and Midnight Oil.

Posted by: Lester Burnham | December 15, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse

joe, you got me. i'm an idiot. i'm the one who can't count.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Time will only tell, which will it be...

Jason Campbell = Tony Banks

OR

Jason Campbell = Donavan McNabb (or Randall Cunningham)

Posted by: John From Herndon | December 15, 2006 1:17 PM | Report abuse

We'll probably forget about the Campbell trade in a couple of years altogether because we'll be trying to figure out some other 42-pick, 6-team deal that Skins management thought up.

Posted by: [cc] | December 15, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

chris, then there's nothing to talk about.

john, it's already a bad trade since no one in the history of nfl gave up THREE high picks for a player to sit on the bench, neglected by the coaching staff, for 1.5 years ever before.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

PG - I never liked Rappin 4Tay. But I loved the Oakland style!

Too Short
Luniz
Spice 1
TuPac
Didtal Underground

I'm too busy today to mes you folks.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 15, 2006 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to cast your votes for the Pro Bowl at nfl.com. Today's the deadline.

Make a statement by voting for every Skin on the ballot except Carlobingus!

SeanTay could have a shot. No idea if anybody else does because we're so off the radar. But I feel good about doing some ballot box stuffing since other teams' fans will be doing it. And I want at least ONE Skin playing in Hawaii, to whatever extent that matters.

And I will admit, it feels good to cast votes for gamers like Moss, Sellers and Cooley, Samuels and Thomas even though they're probably not getting in this year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't insinuating that any of our boys necessarily deserve to make the Pro Bowl for their play this year, just that it's a fun exercise to put together a ballot. And there will as always be deserving players who don't make it, and undeserving players who do.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Lester- I got vertigo just reading that. I would've lost it. I've always marveled at the guys that spend hours on up those rigs. Back in the day I did some grip and electric on films, but nothing close to that. Kudos.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I still don't get this TCCL rating system. I understand it means Tom Cruise Couch Leap, but does a high number represent good or bad? If something's truly outrageous does it get a 1 or a 5? Please advise.

Posted by: mart | December 15, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm too busy today to mes you folks.......

4th, it's a FRIDAY before the weekend, before the x-mas eve weekend! you workin for scrooge?

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

mart, when you find out please let me know.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, you're just looking for way's to be negative. Ask Phillip Rivers if it benefitted him to sit for a year. Ask Tom Brady if he benefitted from sitting. Maybe Tony Romo benefitted from sitting? On the other hand, ask Ryan Leaf how it was for him to START IMMEDIATLY? Or how about Tim Couch, whom the GM from the Cleveland BROWNS HAS GONE ON RECORD AS SAYING WAS RUINED BY STARTING SO QUICKLY?? David Carr? QB's in the NFL BENEFIT from sitting and learning. Not to mention that we went to the playoff's last year, but you'd rather have forced Campbell in behind center, right?

Guys like you LOVE to play the shoulda/coulda/woulda argument.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 15, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

From what I have seen, a high TCCL ranking from JLC is good and a low ranking is bad.

Within the blog, however, there is a lot of sarcasim being thrown around and it really could go either way. The best bet for interpretation within the blog is to look at what is being rated (i.e. CR getting 5,000 TCCLs after the crap he spewed in today's paper is defintely not a positive awarding)

Posted by: BT | December 15, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg - I would also throw in Shuler. Say what you may about the way he turned out, but I beleive that if he wasn't thrown to the wolves so early things may have been a little different.

Posted by: BT | December 15, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

greg, no, actually i don't like to play the woulda/coulda shoulda arguement. i'd much rather talk about the playoff possibilities and first round byes. you know, the POSITIVE stuff.

but greg, i know what you mean. i really do.

but you're missing the fact that if anyone of those QB's you mentioned along with jason who were thrown right in to the fire it was JASON CAMPBELL. not tim couch, not ryan leaf, not heath shuler but JASON CAMPBLELL.
because at least they had FIVE MONTHS of practice with NFL players.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, BT. Very helpful. 5 TCCL for you.

Posted by: mart | December 15, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

You also need to learn the dynamics of the point system associated with draft position.

I'm plaguirizing from Extremeskins:

Gave up: 2005 3rd rounder: 225 Points
2006 first rounder: 22nd pick: 360 points-value 22nd pick in 2nd round
2006 fourth rounder: 31.4 points-value 22nd pick in 5th round

Total: 616.4 total points

We recieved a 2005 first rounder: 25th pick: 720 points

So we came out ahead in this deal, but you still want to piss and whine about something right? Here's a hint, have a clue about what you're going to whine about.
First you said we gave up 2 first rounders.
Then you said we gave up 4 picks.

Maybe you should try and know the FACTS before you open your mouth.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 15, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

because at least they had FIVE MONTHS of practice with NFL players NOT JUST ONE WEEK!!!

had they made him the backup like carson palmer, phillip rivers or actually gotten some reps with the starters...i would have no problems with your arguement. actually i wouldn't be arguing this point.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should try and know the FACTS before you open your mouth.

aweeeeeeeee did little greggy have a bad day/night?

greg, baby, don't compare phillip rivers to JC either. that's apple and oranges. phillip rivers got nfl reps in the offseason, during season, offseason, during season.

and about the draft picks...i saw my error and admitted so.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Great, we came out ahead on the point system. Is that like the O.J. Prize?

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We recieved a 2005 first rounder: 25th pick: 720 points

So we came out ahead in this deal

okay, theo.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a link to a free site with the rankings of players expected to be in the 2007 draft?

Posted by: BT | December 15, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, I found this on another site no idea if it is reputable but for what it's worth:

A year ago the Redskins traded for the #25 pick overall in the 2005 draft, and gave the same round picks (1st, 3rd, and 4th), but those picks ended up being worth 1,046 points. They paid a premium of 326 points to draft QB Jason Campbell who was rated as a second rounder a year ago.

Posted by: Skinz | December 15, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

Here you go, the comparison I was trying to make was that Rivers sat, for 2 years before becoming the full time starter. In those 2 years he was the backup qb, and threw a total of 30 passes in life NFL games. So essentially you're basing your whole arguement on those 30 passes over 2 years, and him being the backup, and not the third qb.

Thats pretty weak, dude.

"phillip rivers got nfl reps in the offseason, during season, offseason, during season"


Essentially you're saying that Campbell never got reps with the team until he was named the starter?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 15, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Essentially you're saying that Campbell never got reps with the team until he was named the starter?

gregg, that's a fact. i didn't make it up. jason didn't PRACTICE with the first team until the bye week of this year.

anyways, if i don't respond to you within 5 minutes it means i had to bail

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

How much did that loser pay you for the print? Why bother? We already knew he sucked!

Saints 42 (they start taking a knee at halftime)
Skins21

Posted by: james63k | December 15, 2006 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"-5,000 TCCL's - Carlos Rogers."

BT, that CR rating from Ricky Bobby is a negative 5000 TCCLs, not positive 5000.

TCCL ranking goes from 1 to 5; 1 meaning "what the F were you thinking," and 5 meaning "props to you."

Anything above or below those rankings are exaggerations, used solely for em-PHAS-sis.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 15, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

since I could just wander around venues like the Spectrum in Philly and get high from breathing, recreational drug use never appealed to me,

1 TCCL for that comment, you have no idea what you're missing, hehe.

1 TCCL for DoubleMove, could he be anymore clueless?

5 TCCLs for everyone still here, not including me since I was absent all week(1 TCCL). Need to head off and see the HeadMaster and get disciplined for that.

Saints 59 (Even possible? Sure sounds good)
Skins 2 (Brees fumbles but picks it up, Springs dives over Brees and clonks heads with ST, both Skins are knocked out cold and end their careers with neck injuries. Brees trips over an unconcious ST and falls to his knee while throwing a shovel pass to Bush who goes 105 yards for a TD - but it gets called back, ruled down by contact, safety! Yeah right, like it couldn't happen)

See you all next week....
Go Chargers!

Posted by: Megskin | December 15, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

JLC,
I couldn't agree more about placebo. A Fantastic little known band.

Posted by: The Non-Andyman | December 15, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

An observation... A lot of people on this blog seem to be on the Chargers bandwagon (count me among them) with our beloved and beleaguered Redskins in the downward spiral and out of playoff contention. I'm just curious, I know JLaC is a Bolts fan from way back, but am wondering what the deal is with the rest of the blogging community. Appreciation for a well-run organization? Martyball looking a lot better than it did 5 years ago? LT is just that compelling and amazing you can't help but root for him? Personally I think AJ Smith has been nothing short of a genius turning the Chargers around. Classic example of what a football man (not a great coach) can do for an organization. I don't understand why that is so hard to see. The formula isn't really rocket science.

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 2:37 PM | Report abuse

LT is just that compelling and amazing you can't help but root for him?

Yup.

Martyball looking a lot better than it did 5 years ago?

Cam Cameron is a great offensive coordinator - and yeah he was with the Skins at one point as well, qb coach.

But really, I'm just tired of watching bad football - and the Skins are just that. Fun too root for someone that tries win and deserves to, and honestly, the
Skins fall into neither of those categories at the moment.

Posted by: Megskin | December 15, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Always dug the unis since I was a kid. Bought a chargers drinking glass in SD on a family trip when I was 4.

Currently: love LT and Merriman and as much of a curmudgeon as he is, would like to see Marty get a ring. Plus, it would piss off Danny.

Sweet blog battle there between Greg and Dealer!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 15, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Meg - Yes... Cam has definitely been the divine influence on that offense. Now that Marty has decided to stay out of his way. (Meaning all the crap he took for the Ravens game. I was there and it just hurt... physically, because that game was so winnable) It's not even Martyball anymore, really.

Jeff - Agree on the blog battle. Too bad dealer had to bail. Things were building to a battle-royale there for a bit. heh

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Schottenheimer getting to the Super Bowl (even just getting there!) would be one of the great justices for all of us football fans. That man has had to endure a lot of heartbreak in his profession, and all indications are that he's nothing but a class act.

At the same time, who can possibly not root for the Saints?

Saints/Chargers...that's the game I would actually pay to see.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 15, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

FromtheICU, I think it's a happy combination of a lot of factors that make the Bolts so appealing. You can't get any farther from DC than San Diego in this league, both geographically and in terms of conference/division. So we can root for them as a 'second team' without compromising our luv for the Skinnies. That has to count for something.

A lot of us think Marty got shafted by Snyder. He was in the process of taking us from a bad bad Norvous team to a respectable team in the playoffs every year, and he was dumped in favor of the imbecile Ol' Ball Coach. So it's pleasing to see Marty get it going in SD. He may never win a Super Bowl, but he has my respect.

And on some level it's plain old envy. The Chargers play ball we wish the Skins were playing.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown - Sorry, read it wrong. Agree with your assessments.

Posted by: BT | December 15, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I forgot to mention the Saints as a team who, this season, transcend ALL traditional rules about rooting for teams other than the Skins.

Maybe we could beat the Saints on Sunday and be the last team they lose to this season. We did that to the Pats a few years ago and it provided at least a tiny bit of solace in the offseason.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Marty got mad shafted...that 8 week run at the end of his season was one of the funnest, most prideful and promising stretches the skins have had since Gibbs Mach 1...and that was with Tony Banks at QB!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 15, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Marty also got 5 TCCL for cutting that franchise killer Jeff Goerge...


Spurrier....that was a two year low man...wow depressing...I wept like a babe when that was announced...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 15, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse

During the Marty year, LaVar's willing the team to victory over the Panthers by seizing an interception and returning it for a TD, to get our first win on the season, was for my money the greatest moment of #56's time with us. (Yes, even better than ending TroyBoy's career with the concussion.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate - Marty definitely got shafted. They started 0-5 and finished 8-3. Not exactly playing a chump schedule at the end either. Spurrier was becoming available and it was just "sexy" to grab him. Snyder was on the right track with Schotty, but at some point it became more about style than substance. Still is to a large degree, much to we long suffering fans' chagrin.

Diddy - Not to mention Brees vs. Bolts... Both teams completely deserve to be there. The Saints are the most complete team in the NFC for sure. I don't think anyone is buying the Bears anymore (not that many ever were). BTW, condolences on your Sat. dish and here's hoping you find a place to ride the storms out and catch the game this weekend. Keep the faith.

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl: Bolts vs Saints. Would be a great game.


Posted by: Megskin | December 15, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Super Bowl: Bolts vs Saints. Would be a great game."

Thanks for not saying it Meg...

"There are no losers here today.... " *barf*

:)

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Before we move to the weird guest column... SD and NO are two of the teams which would be playing for their first ever SB win. Indy, JAX, Cincy, ATL and Seattle will be in the same boat this playoff season.

Announcers love to tout this never-won-an-SB angle, and it does seem trite, but it matters.

We think it's rough because our last of three SB wins (in five appearances) was 15 years ago. How about NEVER having won an SB?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ah... a dose of perspective..

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Random Thought of the day: Can't help but wonder if $nyder and TK ever get together to jump up and down on a couch for fun. I guess it's okay as long as it's not done in the nude.

Two shorties - hehe.

Posted by: Megskin | December 15, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Killing me Meg! TOO FUNNY

Posted by: FromTheICU-RightIntoTheGrave | December 15, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

To all of you hating on Carlos Rogers, if I remember correctly he had a pretty good season last year - until he dropped that interception in Seattle. Maybe (hopefully) he is just going through a sophomore slump.

I too would love to see a Chargers/Saints Super Bowl and would be happy with either team winning...although I think I would be happier if it were the Saints. I can't however, wish the Saints luck this weekend....gotta pull for my Skins no matter what. And the Saints will not need luck anyway....I just hope they do not embarrass us too much.

Posted by: Lisa | December 15, 2006 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I don't think the biggest problem is Carlos' slump... It's how he's handling it. The defeatist attitude is representative of the overall tone of the team. He doesn't need to perpetuate that in the media as well. As someone on the blog said earlier, he needs to take a cue from Taylor and just shut up and play.

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 15, 2006 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I love, love MC5 and the Stooges are killer. But whoever mentioned Johnny Thundes, now that's my stuff. have a few unbeleive boxed sets of his.
The Richard Hell anthology is tremendous.
To me that's the roots of it all there, Television, Lou Reed, Patti, New York Dolls, then little later The Dead Boys.
That NYC scene like 75-78 (and I know the Dead Boys are from Cleveland and iggy from Ann Arbor, but they all ended up in NYC) is my wheelhouse.
Ever been a better song than Chinese Rocks? Dee Dee's finest hour. Who from that era didn't cover it?
All of that stuff is incredible stuff.

I only do a few picks a week, though, and was saving Thunders/Heartbreakers and Television and Dead Boys for later weeks.

Lester, dude that's some wild stuff. You should write a book, or a magazine piece or something, I would be all over that.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 15, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason: good call on the Richard Hell. If you haven't had a chance to read Please Kill Me: an oral history of punk rock, it's spectacular and well worth your time. Maybe in the offseason? There's a similar book about LA punk (Please Kill Me starts with the Velvets, goes through Iggy to the UK/NYC scenes) called We Got The Neutron Bomb which is similarly entertaining.

Posted by: derek | December 15, 2006 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Carlos, it's time for you to decide. Are you gonna be part of the problem, or are you gonna be part of the solution?

Isn't that how that MC5 album started?

Hey if anyone wants to sell their Skins/Giants tix let me know. This is for some Skins fans, honest. And I can probably get you more than a 10-spot and a dime bag for them.

Posted by: SMACK | December 15, 2006 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers, if I remember correctly he had a pretty good season last year - until he dropped that interception in Seattle

So that's when it all started. Must be something he picked up there.

Posted by: Megskin | December 15, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Megskin,

"Saints 59 (Even possible? Sure sounds good)
Skins 2 (Brees fumbles but picks it up, Springs dives over Brees and clonks heads with ST, both Skins are knocked out cold and end their careers with neck injuries. Brees trips over an unconcious ST and falls to his knee while throwing a shovel pass to Bush who goes 105 yards for a TD - but it gets called back, ruled down by contact, safety! Yeah right, like it couldn't happen)"

Verrrry funnnny.

You may leave the principle's office now.

Posted by: charlie | December 15, 2006 6:38 PM | Report abuse

people must remember that martyball looks infinately better than it did here because jimmy raye is NOT is o-coordinator anymore, marty isn't total control like he was here (they have a GM), and of course some guy named LT.. ;p

oh, and he doesn't have tony "dainty hands" banks

Posted by: hmmmmm | December 15, 2006 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"I don't even know where Herndon is on a map. Then again, I'm a product of the Montgomery County school system."

P Diddy:

Herndon, VA is just west of Reston - you actually travel right through Herndon going to/from Dulles.

Condolences on your your MontCo school experience and the crash of your satellite dish. Both are equally regrettable.

The overcaffeinated issue you mentioned must be a Seattle phenomenon. In the Portland area, long-term locals were out in the storm yesterday wearing their traditional outfits: long-sleeve t-shirts, cargo shorts, and Birkenstocks.

Hey, and how about those Seahawks last night? Which was worse: the Seahawks defense in the second half, or Gumbel and Collinsworth calling the game? Just shoot me . . .

Posted by: Alder Plank | December 15, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Derek, they are both awesome. Read both books. There's one on the Dc punk scene called Dance of Days that is tremendous as well.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 15, 2006 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I read the Baltimore Sun article on Redskin fan unrest/season ticket cancellations, the real gem in there is the $50 will call fee (per envelope) for leaving tickets for someone at Will Call.

At $50 bucks per envelope, there better be some genuine Archuletta (30M$Man) saliva that went into sealing that sucker.

Maybe thats what he will be doing for the team next year-covering the will call booth- Gibbs "Adams been licking his guts out all year, he's really super fast at finding those tickets, it can be confusing up here, it real tough and hot in that little ticket booth.

Posted by: Will Call Booth Attendant | December 15, 2006 10:33 PM | Report abuse

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