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Reading material to ponder while I lament my failure to successfully bid on the Watergate Hotel. My dream of Cyn Cyty's Hamster Haven dies:

When he isn't in training in a pool, marine mammal Paul Tenorio is working the Skins beat. Last month, he evaluated Clinton Portis and the other options at running back.


Time to actually, really, truly watch the Tour de France now, but that doesn't mean there aren't things to be learned in a quick turn around the ol' internet velodrome. Among other stuff, the executive behind the growth of WD-40 has died at 84. He just slipped away. Okay, that was a lame pun. But WD-40, like Windex, is one of the great life-changing products; everything, including Loseable Type, functions better after you apply a bit of it. ... Marc Anthony is now a part-owner of the Dolphins. According to Anthony, this means that JLo is a part owner of the team. "By default, she owns everything I do. Of my share, she owns a majority." Most interesting tidbit, though, is that Anthony's godfather is Jim Fassel. Yeah, this Jim Fassel. I swear, Fassel is fubball's version of Zelig....

From Twitterworld, the current fave is Shawne Merriman, who is -- to paraphrase Crash Davis -- dealing with a lot of stuff: @shawnemerriman would i be wrong if i call one of my boys and barrow their kid to go see UP?i mean LightsOut cant be watching cartoons by himself ... Ochocinco was pulled over by cops last night and not only tweeted the event, he twitpiced it -- and neglected to say how it ended. @OGochocinco http://twitpic.com/b5dn8 - I am getting pulled over!!!!!!! Damn ...

Turns out T.J. Hushmandeza Houshmenzeda Houshmanzadah Houshmanzadeh is boycotting Madden because of his 91 rating. He's ranked sixth among NFC receivers.

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i believe it is spelled TJ Whosyomomma

Posted by: moo21 | July 22, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

First of all, I think CP will have a good year. I think he'll be in that 1200/10 TDs range. Hopefully that'll also mean that the passing game has come around.

TJ Alphabet needs to get over it. You got a freakin' 91 rating... Ethan Albright isn't sympathetic to your issue TJ. If he's as good as he says he is, then he should be able to boost that 91 rating.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Bicycle riding?

No thanks.

Some of this stuff is only relevant because there isn't anything else on worth watching.

My tolerance for watching baseball on TV has sort of regressed. But I'll watch it over bike riding anyday.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

TJ Houshmanzadeh = Alvin Harper

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

My tolerance for watching baseball on TV has sort of regressed. But I'll watch it over bike riding anyday.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Put them on unicycles and I'd watch.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

While I am pro Vick comeback, you can hardly compare being a weed head to systamtic animal cruelty and a multi-state organized crime racket......

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 10:21 AM

But one of them is more versatile ... knows how to pooch punt.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Man oh man, I can't wait for training camp to start. These polls and retread of past posts are like being stabbed with a butter knife. SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!

Posted by: clark202 | July 22, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I see portis surprising a few people this year. I think he could put up 1000 yards in each of the next 3 seasons with maybe a little decline in caries and yards each year. The guy is just shy of the 10,000 club and will break into that this year if he plays the season with out injury, not many guys are in that club, only 23 in fact.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Echo, Indigo, Golf, Hotel, Tango!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Nothing against PT, but CynCyty has this medium DOWN!!

" Fassel is fubball's version of Zelig.... " >>>roflmao


lmao @ ochocinco y houshy

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

These polls and retread of past posts are like being stabbed with a butter knife.

Posted by: clark202 | July 22, 2009 10:34 AM

If I'm gonna be stabbed, better a butter knive than a bayonet.

If you're here for "Redskins News," you're at the wrong place at the wrong time. This is about the jibba jabba until camp starts. I'd rather be stabbed with the jibba jabba than a butter knife or a bayonet.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Vick may know how to pooch punt, but Rikki Williams can make a bong out of a football in under 60 seconds flat.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

TJ Houshmanzadeh = Alvin Harper

Posted by: Original_etrod


Can you explain?

I think TJ is a bonafide beast. His numbers reflect that. Harper from what I remember was a benefactor of playing in a very prolific offense of a team I shall not name.

When he played here, he was trash. When he played in Tampa he was trash.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

P-Ten is only 23? He hasn't been a reporter long enough to be a cynic. I like.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm liking this JLO connection wit' the Dolphins. I wonder what Parcells thinks about that. Him not bein' a fan of Dancin' Wit' the Stars and all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I got a poll for you. Clinton Portis is 1369 yards away from John Riggo's team record as a RB which is currently set at 7472 yards.

Do you think Portis will get the 1370 yards needed to have that record.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Vick may know how to pooch punt, but Rikki Williams can make a bong out of a football in under 60 seconds flat.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 10:40 AM

Bong out of a football? There's an offense in which this play is useful? Wild qat? Rope-a-dope?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

who is this Franco d-bag?

trying to make a name for yourself, guy?

i don't know what's worse your weak hollow ass shots, or the fact that you're trying to make a name for yourself on a blog.

gotta love internet gangsters.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:33 AM |

Heh, heh. Mr. Red - there's some pretty soft targets on this blog. You might be one of them.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I am hoping that Portis has a break out year. For sure the Redskins needs a break year in the running game.

Since though, I think the Skins can win 10-12 games this year playing above average, and if they play better, they can win 12 or better, I would have to say that Portis has a break out year, or somebody else in the backfield will.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The Riggo stat should make an interesting subplot for Portis. He should put it on his goals list this year.

Then tell the O-Line, if he achieves it, it might mean a little somethin' somethin' for them.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

FrancoBegpie vs reddmv

Getcha your popcorn ready!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Then tell the O-Line, if he achieves it, it might mean a little somethin' somethin' for them.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:59 AM |

The OL hates that peacock azz's guts.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's some fresh copy to grind your teeth on:

"10. Will Clinton Portis make peace with Redskins coach Jim Zorn?

Everything is on the line in Washington, where owner Dan Snyder has spent and spent on the defense (Albert Haynesworth's $100 million deal for starters). But Washington's entire season hinges on what Zorn is able to accomplish with an offense built around the 27-year-old Portis, who looked like an MVP candidate at midseason in 2008, and seemingly unwanted quarterback Jason Campbell. Zorn has his hands full with a head-strong Portis, and any truce must endure the intense training-camp heat.

Czar's Prediction: There could be a new coach in Washington by November."

Czarnecki is an idiot. That comment is beyond asinine.

Posted by: McMetal | July 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

85.56 yards a game and Portis is the greatest RB in skins history

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Can you explain?

I think TJ is a bonafide beast. His numbers reflect that. Harper from what I remember was a benefactor of playing in a very prolific offense of a team I shall not name.

When he played here, he was trash. When he played in Tampa he was trash.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Housh is the benefactor of playing opposite a stud receiver and catching passes from a stud QB on a potent offense, just like Harper was in Dallas.

Maybe he will be a bonafide beast, but until he proves it by beating double teams constistently as the #1 receiver, I'll stand by my statement. (Sweeping generalizations are easier than actual research)

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

(Sweeping generalizations are easier than actual research)
Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse


Thats my bread and butter there!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, McMetal -

I think that's an applicable question. If Zorn hasn't figured out how to use one of the best backs in the league properly, we could be in for a really long terrible season.

Of course, winning will probably fix all of that - it didn't last year, tho.

Here's hopin' they figure it out.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

lol @Alex

& eTrod - some say OchoCinco was the benefactor of the matchup. Though I'm probably on you w/ this one, knowin' how those Miamuh boi's ball...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about the Watergate, Cindy. I can see it now - the bar/restaurant could be called Hamster Haven and server variants of all of the various RI hamburger suggestions from the previous week.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Advice for MistaMoe: you know that old aphorism "Engage brain before opening mouth"? There is a variation of it that might help you: "Engage brain before blogging".

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

& eTrod - some say OchoCinco was the benefactor of the matchup. Though I'm probably on you w/ this one, knowin' how those Miamuh boi's ball...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Some also say that Garfunkel was more talented than Simon but look what happened when they split up.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs was just on ESPN First Take (and last rated) promoting his new book. Hard not to love St. Joe.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Garfunkel was more talented than Simon but look what happened when they split up."

Carnal Knowledge was a great movie though....

I tend to disagree about Housh...but I agree that you identified an interesting storyline this season.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

But Mr Chrislarry,

Simon nailed Princess Laya, and so boosh.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hard not to love St. Joe.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 11:29 AM |

I just heard that Gibbs is pimping his self-help book on CowTurd today. Mega gross. How about standing on principal and skipping that sean taylor bashing tool's show?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:06 AM |

Mr. Brownwood, may I introduce you to my friend, Mr. Larry? Why don't you two talk amongst yourselves?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

P-Ten is only 23? He hasn't been a reporter long enough to be a cynic. I like.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Since when has age got anything to do with Cynicism? You don't have to be old to be cynical. One thing I'll give this young generation of whippersnappers is their advanced cynistic development, as manifested with the embracing of ironic detachment, practiced snark, mockumentarianism and gross out comedy.

Who do you think goes to Judd Apatow movies? Or "The Hangover?" Or SNL? Or Stewart? Just Geezers? Nope. It's fun for all ages.

My cynical advice is leave Media Criticism to those most qualified--i.e. cynics--and stick to what you do best, paeaning the front office.

But I agree Mr. Tenario shows no signs of cynicism. It will grow when the cynics he covers and those who read him start making a habit of abusing his good nature. Then watch: He’ll become a better reporter or leave the business for the pastures of PR.

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

pipe down TE...I LOVE Gibbs (you were for him before you were against him if I remember correctly)

I just found it odd he would go on Cowherd after that guy was the most offensive seconds,days,weeks,months,years after the death of Taylor.....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs is my fave evangelical christian....a demo I generally....well are not my normal bag.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

pipe down TE...I LOVE Gibbs (you were for him before you were against him if I remember correctly)

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:51 AM |

You have me confused with John Kerry. I was for Sarah Palin before I was against her. I LOVE Gibbs, too, but not Gibbs Two.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Dang Cork. Can I comment w/o you commenting all the time on my comment??

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs two rulz
TE droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

cL - We don't know if Gibbs is aware of those comments. I'm sure he isn't internet literate and he dosen't do SPortsTalkRadio.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Dang Cork. Can I comment w/o you commenting all the time on my comment??

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 11:54 AM

Big mistake. Now he'll follow you around like a hungry puppy looking for table scraps.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

stankhoebegb!tch


"Advice for MistaMoe..."

I'd engage you today, sir, but as I was raised not to poke fun at the handicapped, I'll decline commenting on whatever it is you are insinuating from the comforts of the padded room I shoved you back into the last time you escaped.

Post away insulting my name all you want, but I be damned if I let you build your 'swag' (such as it is) up on my rep in this blog.

Peace, bro', and may your pimp treat you right tonite, you lil hoe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

maybe 4th, although thats what publicists are for.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs two rulz
TE droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:54 AM

Agreed. I don't get what's not to like about Gibbs 2.0. They made the playoffs twice and played better than anything else we've seen in the Snyder Era. I know we all had high hopes for them getting back to Super Bowl glory, but looking back he had them playing Redskins football again and I'll always appreciate it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

word brownwood...moments of fun/excitement/joy/ are few and far bewteen....There was some great moments in gibbs the return that I will always dig...and Gibbs during Taylor, well that will be part of his legend forever.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I Concur. Gibbs got some great guys through the draft and trades for this team.
Its simple:
Are you better off pre-gibbs 2 then you were at the end? -Yes
Did you guys think he was gonna knock off the Danny?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

o_e, you think OchoCinco is better than TJ?

We'll see this year, I guess. I think TJ is in a better situation than The Ocho.


---------------

Franco, if you didn't know, I am THE target. Threw down with the best of em' too. I ain't dust off a bama in a good while (blog style)... But damn, why with the personal attacks? MistaMoe? All that dude talks about is 'skins, porn, and baseball, how could you hate on that? And cl has been drive-by posting as of late, so why hate on that dude?

If you want to build yourself up here, come at the drama king: RedDMV -- you might not like what I have to say becasue like you, I get personal. But that sh*t is right up your ally anyway, so let's go joe.

I think your weak ass agenda is clear. Try a different target, boy.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs two rulz

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 11:54 AM

Gibbs One: 139-63, three SB wins
Gibbs Two: 32-38, followed by an early out

You set the bar pretty low for rulz.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

...you know that old aphorism "Engage brain before opening mouth"? There is a variation of it that might help you: "Engage brain before blogging".

Posted by: FrancoBegbie


Engage deez nutz in your mouth, asswipe.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't get what's not to like about Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 12:01 PM |

32-38. The offense. The trades.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

whateves TE.....straight Tard to keep debating this....bottom line was Gibbs 2.0 provided more Redskins enjoyment (outside of second half Marty March) than at any time during Gibbs 1.0. AND as Alex said left a better looking corpse than he inherited..

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

o_e, you think OchoCinco is better than TJ?

We'll see this year, I guess. I think TJ is in a better situation than The Ocho.


Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I don't know. I'm just throwing SJK at the wall and seeing what sticks. But I'll take the guy who's been the #1 over the #2 until I'm proven wrong.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

straight Tard to keep debating this....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:16 PM

If it's straight tard to keep debating it, then what does that make you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

A tard....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

32-38. The offense. The trades.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 12:12 PM

All of which were better than anything done from 2000-2004. Agree to disagree, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

cL--I laughed so loud my wife asked from two rooms away "What?" What would be straight tard is to try to explain.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

redDMV

"I think TJ is in a better situation than Ocho Cinco."


Sad thing the break up begs the following question: do they have the status of Holt-Bruce, Harrison-Wayne, or Fitzgerald-Boldin as a top receiving tandem for the 2000s era?

And why did TJ leave just as C Palmer (a guy we all forget about)is back healthy?

Is he leaving because of ego or money?

I say both.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

straight tard:

"To be immediately and directly acting retarded. Without debate or grey area in which there is subjectivity on level of retardness."

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Moe:

TJ is leaving b/c it is the Bengals.....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

JC17 was on that commuist show Redskins Nation yesterday. He's working out at the park along with many others, but forgot their names......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Portis may have a few less carries this season. Zorn has said he would like to spell Portis more often and the signing of two scatbacks in the offseason promises to add a little more variety in the running game. With fewer carries, I really don't think he's going to beat the record.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sure. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, 'Being There.' Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, I Am Sam.' Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"TJ is leaving b/c it is the Bengals...."


Wow: that's a true statement.

Between Ocho Cinco and TJ, I'll take TJ ten times in a row if there are 9 chances to get him.

And who is in with TJ out?: somebody named Laveranues Coles

Memba him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

JetSkins!

...what a horribly disappointing period...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sure. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, 'Being There.' Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, I Am Sam.' Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Too true.

It's why this franchise goes home empty-handed every year since Danny's arrival.

Snerrato goes full retard.

Posted by: p1funk | July 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Who owns the the copyright to Reskins Bandwagon?

Kornheiser or the Washington Post.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

JetSkins!

...what a horribly disappointing period...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 1:04 PM

Not so my friend. JetSkins coincidided with the Spurrier era. Maybe they ruined each other..

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

And who is in with TJ out?: somebody named Laveranues Coles

Memba him?


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, I remember him.

After catching 90 balls one season, he complained about the Redskins offense and got shown the door.

Posted by: p1funk | July 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Korny....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I credit Joe Gibbs for bringing some stability to the Redskins after the Spurrier debacle. I also thank him for navigating us through the Sean Taylor tradgedy as well as two playoff appearances.

Having said that...

Gibbs gave draft picks away like they were nothing.

Most of the free agents busts were during the Gibbs years as well as letting go of some great players.

Gibbs spoiled Clinton Portis

I'm not a Snyder apologist, but for all the criticism that Danny and Vinny catch, alot of it has to be spread to Gibbs because he was the team President.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 22, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

To my recollection, Harper never had a better season than Michael Irvin when the two were together in Dallas. Housh definitely had a better year than Ocho Stinko last year (MAN, am I glad that the Bengals saved the 'Skins from themselves by not trading him to them a while back), and you could argue that he was better two years ago, as well.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The biggest reason to hate on Gibbs II is for Brunell. Outside of the 2 bombs in Dallas and a few games in 2005 that guy was nauseating to watch. We won in spite of him. Making the playoffs in 2 of the 4 years gave us way more to cheer for than we have for most of the past 15-20 years though so hail Mr. Gibbs.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten is only 23? He hasn't been a reporter long enough to be a cynic. I like.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 10:42 AM

Being a cynic should not be confused with being a smart a ... leck. But agree to agree about the liking on his prose.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

All of which were better than anything done from 2000-2004. Agree to disagree, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2009 12:29 PM

Brownwood, you're a piece of work. Once CL says it's straight 'tard to argue this, you show up to argue it. You don't do this because you're a tard but because you have a compulsion to have the last word in any convo. Never fails.

And as occurs too often, the facts elude you. Gibbs was coach in 2004. Had a 6-10 record.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Franco Begbie one of the characters in Trainspotting?

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs didn't have bad drafts. sean Taylor was the first guy drafted under Gibbs 2.0, along with Cooley(both Pro-Bowlers). Not only that he won in December, we would not have lost to the Niners and Bengals in the 4th quarter of the season under Gibbs.
I like Zorn, but he needs to figure out how to get the team behind him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

stab me with a steak (medium rare) a fully loaded baked potato, salad optional

been stabbed with sharp pointy object - not fun, don't recommend it

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Advice for MistaMoe: you know that old aphorism "Engage brain before opening mouth"? There is a variation of it that might help you: "Engage brain before blogging".

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 11:26 AM

You can't get there from here. Y'aint from around here, are yer? This here blog taint got much use for branes.

[I agree with etrod about how research and details are for suckers. Let's sweep!}

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. Brunell vs Ramsey was a draw in terms of talent, it was a question of gun and dumb vs a washed up vet who's brain still got the game but body could not. So going with Mark for the time being was not the worst idea.

But Gibb's should have payed attention to weird al in regards to Todd.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Most of the free agents busts were during the Gibbs years as well as letting go of some great players.

Gibbs spoiled Clinton Portis

I'm not a Snyder apologist, but for all the criticism that Danny and Vinny catch, alot of it has to be spread to Gibbs because he was the team President.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 22, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse


Gibbs was always very opaque when it came to discussing the FO structure and who is calling which shots. But he always said that decisions were made "together" with Danny and Vinny.

Behind the scenes, I can't imagine that Gibbs was really on board with all those FA moves. He was NEVER a personnel guy in his first stint and was always a coach.

The Archuleta call had to have been from Greg Williams and Joe, I'm sure, passed along the request.

I can't imagine that Gibbs in a million years would look at a guy like Brandon LLoyd and decide he was one of "his" kind of guys. That move stinks of Snerrato. I can imagine the high-light reel that Vinny put together and played for Danny, and the 2 of them deciding that they want this guy...after all Danny's area of scouting expertise appears to be at the WR position.

I can see ARE being Gibbs' call. A high-character (religious), hard-working lockerroom guy coming off a championship who fits the mold of a smallish big-play receiver a-la Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders.

Posted by: p1funk | July 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I have a pencil lead in my leg from 5th grade. Thanks alot Annie Kirwan!~

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis also looked like a classic Gibbs move. High priority on the run game.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Question for RedDMV

You think there is any connection between the disapearance of Truth and JLC around the same time?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

oooooh - ThRedskin intrigue! thx, Gr81!

Can we get a Zabruder flim on that?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

So TJ Housh boycotts Madden because he is ranked as the #6 WR in football. Whether you agree with that rating or now -- think back to last year's offseason.

TJ had 1 year left on his contract with the Bengals and it wasn't a foregone conclusion that he'd re-sign. In fact, it was a low probability and, as history shows, he left Cincy. So Cincy had to consider moving him for a reasonable return.

But which Bengal WR did the Skins target last year -- and offer up some serious picks to get? Not TJ -- who probably could have been had for a #2 pick (or 2 #2's) and solved our WR issues for 4-5 years.

Bottom line, the Skins could have brought in one of the league's top 10 WRs and the Bengals would have gotten better compensation for losing TJ.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

"I agree with etrod about how research and details are for suckers."

I like ignorance like NBA players like clueless groupies.

Facts are for George Will and all the other people who wear bow-ties.

Posting loudly about things you have little info about are what keeps the blog alive.

Otherwise, it becomes an op-ed page.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Portis will get the 1370 yards needed to have that record.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 10:46 AM

1370yards/16=86yards per game.
CP will have help at the backfield this season whether he likes it or not. With Ladell Betts sparing, Portis must be able to produce 90yards a game on 20 carries, which average 4.5yards per carry to prove worthy of being elite. The defense will create multiple opportunities for the offense arguably amounting to as many as 30 running opportunities per game and even Portis in his right mind can not carry the ball 30plus times a game for 16 games; therefore, for Portis to tie or break Riggings record, he must prove his worth and will to attain that level on 20 or less carries per game.

Posted by: abxinc | July 22, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Any connection between Annie Kirwan and DikShuttle's leaded leg is pure conjecture.

- Attorney and spokesperson for Ms. Kirwan

Ideally, Portis has fewer carries for more yards and Betts actually earns some of his paycheck by getting onto the field. The problem with that ideal is that Portis actually gets better (more yards) later in the game and he absorbs more hits (and softens up LBs a little more when he, Portis, is in pass protection) ... and putting Betts in later in the game, in tighter situations, are the times when he, Betts, shines at completely F'ing up the on-field momentum with a badly timed fumble or failure to get the first down on a second down carry. The Skins 1-2 RB combo is really only effective as a one RB game, keeping the other one around as an insurance policy agains the first RB going down.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Then tell the O-Line, if he achieves it, it might mean a little somethin' somethin' for them.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 10:59 AM |

The OL hates that peacock azz's guts.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 11:03 AM |

FrancoBegbie,

I hope this is true for the makeup of last years O-Line. If this continues to be true of the current makeup, then the Skins are in trouble. They cannot win with that attitude toward their #1 runner.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the Truth made a brief reappearance last week when it was alleged that he was gone for Summer Camp

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Truth and Sween 'happened' to come back on the same day......

hmmmmm...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Cazart!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

How cool would it be to find out that the Truth was really Jasno in some kind of Scooby-doo unmasking scene.

Cindy: "He was using the Georgia Bulldogs and Charlotte Bobcats talk to drive off other bloggers so that he could bash the front office all by himself!"

Jasno: "And I would've gotten away with it, too if it weren't for you meddling hamsters!"

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody mention the personnel screwups under Joe Gibbs. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah Ya' Did!

The biggest personnel snafu, even worse than Brunell was the complete mismangagement of arguably one of the best defensive players in the League in one Lavar Arrington.

Iffin' Ya' Kno' Anythang' about Pro Football Ya' Hafta' Kno' that Playas' like Lavar Arrington don't fit into schemes, Ya' Hafta' Devise The Schemes Fo' Dem.'

That whole show that went on with Lavar was shameful for not only a true blooded Redskin but it hurt the Team as well.

It took all the Originality, The Toughness, The Will to Win at any Cost, right out of the Team. It was that intangible that Lavar Arrington had and once the Team saw what was going on just for the sake of a scheme, it was over.

This Ladies and Gentelmen was Joe Gibb's biggest downfall. Arrington Was the Redskins when Gibbs came back to town and too bad they took his badge away.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Homer: Marge? Since I'm not talking to Lisa, would you please ask her to pass me the syrup?

Marge: Dear, please pass your father the syrup, Lisa.

Lisa: Bart, tell Dad I will only pass the syrup if it won't be used on any meat product.

Bart: You dunkin' your sausages in that syrup homeboy?

Homer: Marge, tell Bart I just want to drink a nice glass of syrup like I do every morning.

Marge: Tell him yourself, you're ignoring Lisa, not Bart.

Homer: Bart, thank your mother for pointing that out.

Marge: Homer, you're not not-talking to me and secondly I heard what you said.

Homer: Lisa, tell your mother to get off my case.

Bart: Uhhh, dad, Lisa's the one you're not talking to.

Homer: Bart, go to your room.

Can ANYBODY up here help me with the Kardin Budget Module software!?!?! [You know who I'm talking to, bloggy man.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Iffin' Ya' Kno' Anythang' about Pro Football Ya' Hafta' Kno' that Playas' like Lavar Arrington don't fit into schemes, Ya' Hafta' Devise The Schemes Fo' Dem.'

...

It took all the Originality, The Toughness, The Will to Win at any Cost, right out of the Team. It was that intangible that Lavar Arrington had and once the Team saw what was going on just for the sake of a scheme, it was over.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 2:23 PM

Coming attractions of the Albert Haynesworth Experiment.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

This place is quiet. Very quiet.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the Lavar thing was bigger than that. We weren't a team. Just a group of individuals for a 3 year or so period....

It seemed, coaches/mngmt tried to move away from that and brought the focus back to a team first approach.

If you remember, fans only listened to what LaVar had to say regarding the Skins (including me). And whatever he said was the gospel in most eyes'.

So they entered a test of wills, it seemed, to who had actual control of the team.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"...Playas' like Lavar Arrington don't fit into schemes, Ya' Hafta' Devise The Schemes Fo' Dem.'This Ladies and Gentelmen was Joe Gibb's biggest downfall. Arrington Was the Redskins when Gibbs came back to town and too bad they took his badge away. LarryInClintonMD."

Yeah, if pro football ever becomes a one on one sport like tennis, LaVar can be Roger Federer.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,
I would argue that most running backs have a higher yards per carry in the second half than in the first half. Clinton Portis is no different in this regard. I would say that the team doesn't use Betts as an effective fill-in for Portis. Betts is a between the tackles, one juke runner. Portis is a cutback running back. Having them run the same plays is really not an effective use of either one, but here again, we are talking about the play calling. I think it makes all of the sense in the world to keep Portis fresh with Betts spelling him - if the right plays are called.

I'm intrigued that the Redskins are auditioning scatbacks this season because I'm not sure where a scatback fits in the WCO. I'm hoping we'll see something new here. Keep in mind, though, that a scatback will also steal carries from Portis. This is why I think he will be hard pressed to beat the Redskins' all time rushing record this season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Good Point, RedSkinHead,

If Portis' carries are cut, yeah, there should be some drop in production. But, if he's healthy, which he should be, and is not taking the beating he normally does, I think he could be more of a weapon than in the past.

Seems to me, Portis gets so keyed up about the first 4 yards, that when he DOES break into the open field, he's not as quick to look to taking it to the endzone as he used to be. If that changes, his yards and tds could be up.

Either way, if the line is good and ONE of our receivers steps up, we'll be tough to stop this year.

Remember, improvements don't work by addition, they work by multiplication. If our second and third options are effective (which they haven't been) going back to our first option will be available and that much more dangerous.

It COULD be really good. BUT... we'll see.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | July 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Sween - Re: Kardin

just dropped you an email....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

For all those who find criticisms with Gibbs 2.0 -- well, there are plenty of them. My take is that Gibbs 2.0 was 2 steps forward and 1 step back. Lets look at what Gibbs left behind when he left the building.

He took us to the playoffs twice and, in the process, restored pride and respectability to the organization. Those things count a lot. In the closing weeks of Gibbs final year, teams actually feared the Redskins, for the first time in more than a decade. The Skins were the team you didn't want to play in the closing weeks of 2007.

Gibbs left behind a talented, though aging team, with a good, young QB. The defense he left behind was very good, despite the huge void that was occurred with the death of Sean Taylor. He also left behind most draft picks.

He didn't develop a good OL, the engine that led the team to 3 Lombardi's. There was only a relatively small pipeline of young players ready to step up. He left behind a very challenging salary cap situation. He left a solid defensive coaching staff and a problematic offensive coaching staff and unspecial, special teams.

All in all, Gibbs left the organization significantly better off than he found it. Still, many of the criticisms of Gibbs 2.0 have merit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 22, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Poll question:

Which game will the Skins lose a starting OL to a season ending injury?

a. Between game 1 and 4
b. Between game 5 and 8
c. Between game 9 and 12
d. Between game 13 and 16
e. They stay together for all 16 games

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 22, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

... I'm intrigued that the Redskins are auditioning scatbacks this season because I'm not sure where a scatback fits in the WCO. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2009 2:52 PM

If Zorn's WCO (ZWCO) relies on rhythmic passing, including short passes in the mix, then in some way, Santana Moss is a scat back playing a different position. If any of these guys has solid hands and can bounce off first contact, could be real exciting (or at least a roster spot for that guy).

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

How much do I want to think about the possibility of a season ending injury for anyone on the Skins?

$. Not that much
6. Not at all
k. Wait a second, the phone's ringing ... what were we talking about?
%. Can you believe they traded Bradon Lloyd for two draft picks!?!?!

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Now can anyone explain Zone blocking for the run vs whatever we were doing before?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Great One, I think didn't see a Truth posting today, but something tells me:

FrancoBegbie = TheTruth

He went at chrislarry, like that TruthTurd would do. But that would be too obvious, so he went at Moe. You seen when I bucked at Franco, he fell back -- not a mean word to say...

What a pusss BOTH of them are.

They are one in the same.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the Truth was really Larry Michael secretly watching JLC.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a mistake to run Portis between the tackles 30 times a game...for one that Gibbs football and you can't do it with a 5'10", 200LB RB for 16 games. They should pass more out of the backfield.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

This is the guy who played Begbie in the movie.

http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsC/19703-19946.gif

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, then its BETTS who should be run btwn the tackles two dozen times a game (in the NFC East, that spots needs to be softened up). Thing is that, out of the backfield, Betts is a better receiver/has better catching (and holding on!) hands than Portis.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

lmao, alex.

No S, No S...

whatever you think of Larry Michael, that Smoot sound byte cracks me up every time I hear it.


rickyroge, I think that's why they may use more zone blocking this year. I may be the only one, but I think Randy Thomas is poised to have a damn good year.

sween, makes a good point. I think Betts is more suited to run between the tackles than Portis -- it'll just be freakin' sweet if they can amass about 6500 yards of total offense this year.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Portis gets better the more he runs. True he needs to take less of a beating, but if the screen pass stuff is going to work.....we need bigger recievers to block downfield.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see one of the scatbacks used in the offense. Speed is never a bad thing. He could be a great change up to Portis and Betts and it is just another wrinkle for opposing defenses to worry about. I just don't want to see one of the guys make the roster and then end up riding the pine.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Alex,
Zone blocking is when the five really big guys in front of the quarter back move around on the field before they try and knock down the guys wearing different colored uniforms.

Before zone blocking, our plays were designed to have the five really big guys in front of the quarter back move around on the field before they try and knock down the guys wearing different colored uniforms.

No need to thank me, just glad to help.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I think last year might have been CP's best. Not most productive, but best.

Late in the season, he got yards when there was almost nothing there, taking on LB in the hole and driving them back a few yards. I thought CP wore down and lost the breakaway speed. Hopefully he comes back with fresh legs, and the retooled line will zone block (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blocking) some holes.

Betts has been good, but he does seem to fumble at inopportune times. That said, I seem to recall CP putting it on the ground against PIT, I think it was, at a very awkward time.

I don't know if either back gives the Redskins breakaway speed. Like Willis McGahee and Le'Ron McClain who took it 77 and 82 yards to the house against the hated Cowboys TWICE last year. TASTE IT JERRY!!!!!

Every time I lament the Redskins 2-6 finish, I think about the Cowboys Collapses of 2008 and 2009. Ahhh... that's better.

At least the Redskins didn't have THIRTEEN PRO BOWLERS, get STOMPED by their arch-rivals in the season finale, and then LOSE their PLAYOFF GAME AT HOME TO A DIVISION FOE.

At least the Redskins didn't GIVE UP 44 UNANSWERED POINTS and turn the ball over FIVE TIMES for TWO SCORES with the PLAYOFFS ON THE LINE!

BWAHAHAHAHA....

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

1) sorry, jumped the gun. Cowboys Collapses were in 2007 and 2008. What new way will they find to screw up this year?

B) It was only FORTY-ONE unanswered points. Would have been 44 if the Iggles hadn't missed a FG.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sooo ... with training camp starting next week, we should hear about Brian Orakpo and Kevin Barnes signing contracts in the next couple few days, right?

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

dpc2003, I like the rage. The force is strong in this one.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

... Most interesting tidbit, though, is that Anthony's godfather is Jim Fassel. ...

By Cindy Boren | July 22, 2009; 9:40 AM ET

Nobody remarked on this, but I'll say it. Two wrongs ... still make a wrong.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks dpc2003. I never looked at it liked that......

Ex-cellent....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys collapse is always fun to watch.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's say you are Roger Goodell and you come home after a hard day at the office listening to all the crap that Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft and Dan Snyder lay on you. You plop down in your easy chair, totally exhausted and your loyal pooch comes over with his tail wagging and a smile on his face and licks you hand. Then he nuzzles his head against your leg and looks up at you with those sad, beseeching eyes that say you aren't going to let that mofo Vick back in the NFL are you? What are you going to do?

Posted by: AceOfCapes | July 22, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

too many meetings, too little RI today
I hate when work gets in the way of fun

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's a new poll qusetion: How many games must the Skins lose in '09 to realize we need a real football mind at GM who know that O-lines kinda just maybe matter a little bit?
A 10 losses
B 13 losses
C 16 losses
D every game for the next 5 years
E we're stuck with V-Cizzle forever

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

he nuzzles his head against your leg and looks up at you with those sad, beseeching eyes that say you aren't going to let that mofo Vick back in the NFL are you? What are you going to do?

Posted by: AceOfCapes | July 22, 2009 5:00 PM

I'm going to freak out because my dog's eyes are talking. "Honey, come quick! The dog has lips where its eyelids should be!"

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's a new poll qusetion: How many games must the Skins lose in '09 to realize we need a real football mind at GM who know that O-lines kinda just maybe matter a little bit?
A 10 losses
B 13 losses
C 16 losses
D every game for the next 5 years
E we're stuck with V-Cizzle forever

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:07 PM

F. We know this right now.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

God call dcsween. What I meant and should have asked was how many losses before The Danny realizes we need a real GM and cans The Vinny.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

z

I love the poll, but fear what it means:

Poll question:

Which game will the Skins lose a starting OL to a season ending injury?

a. Between game 1 and 4
b. Between game 5 and 8
c. Between game 9 and 12
d. Between game 13 and 16
e. They stay together for all 16 games

_______________________________________

Given R Thomas' age and C Samuels' knee history, I'll take 'c' but feel that Rhino will fill in at rt and after Heyer moves to lt, Bridges will fill in at rt.

And from there, the new line will be younger, more athletic, and play better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Jeez -- spelling issues today -- Good call dcsween, not god call.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Optimist Speaks:

The redskins' offensive line will play better this year.

The Pessimist Responds:

Yeah, then Moss or Portis or Cooley will get hurt.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a younger O-line MistaMoe, so I like your thinking, but Heyer at RT would be a disaster, so I pray Samuels stays healthy.

Why not sign Levi Jones by the way? No cap space?

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

"...too many meetings, too little RI today...I hate when work gets in the way of fun..."


Well, do like everyone else: quit your job and ask for a financial bailout from the government.

And when the check comes, pat yourself on the back to acknowledge how hard you worked to get it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm losing it. I mean Heyer at LT would be a disaster.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

he nuzzles his head against your leg and looks up at you with those sad, beseeching eyes that say you aren't going to let that mofo Vick back in the NFL are you? What are you going to do?

Posted by: AceOfCapes | July 22, 2009
Why would your dog nuzzles his head against your legs? Sounds like you and your dog are getting ready to do something mofo.

Posted by: abxinc | July 22, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

TNT (TheNewTruth)

"...Why not sign Levi Jones by the way?"

Makes sense to me.

I guess the FO has more faith in an out of shape guy who hasn't played in the league for a couple years than someone they can plug in--if healthy--on day one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

TNT

"...I mean Heyer at LT would be a disaster..."


Well, again, folks yak about M Kelly's knee issues, but Samuels knees aren't the best in the world either.

And if he gets to where he can't play because of them, will all of the people who loved the Orakpo pick still brag, "...well, I'm glad they didn't draft Oher, I mean Heyer's a good left tackle, isn't he?"

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Like the TNT nickname - clever- I missed that myself.

I hope the Redskins catch lightning in a bottle with Williams or Bridges. Heyer seems tlike a hard-working guy with a lot of class, but I'm concerned about his ability to be a starter.
Also, I heard Gibbs on ESPN2 today saying the Redskins had given JCampbell a lot of help this offseason, and as much as I love Gibbs, I really had to question that. The offensive needs were obviously WR and RT and both spots are still the 2 biggest question marks on the team. I like the defensive signings and I realize that money isn't unlimited, but I'd have liked at least one of those 2 spots to be given more attention.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Back to the Backfield"

A. Clinton Portis will get fewer carries early on in the season and won't complain in December when his body is fresh.

B. Ladell Betts will earn his check in Sept/October.

c. One of the scatbacks will give the Redskin offense something it lacks outside of Moss: speed.

d. Mike Sellars will be cut.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not overly concerned about Samuels' knees. It was his arm that cost him more games last year. Heyer has played LT for the 'Skins and he has not been a "disaster."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"...he nuzzles his head against your leg and looks up at you with those sad, beseeching eyes..."

I thought we all agreed to stop posting about francobegbie/sports_guru/littlegreenbag/chumpazzpunk (I believe those are all of his screen names)?

Thing is, what is he doing before '..nuzzling..' his head up against your leg?

Yeeeeeetch!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

d. Mike Sellars will be cut.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:39

I posted something relating to Sellers being cut before, I was attacked.

Posted by: abxinc | July 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: Levi Jones: Skins already have an OT who can't control his anger off the field and he comes much cheaper in Bridges.

Posted by: dcsween | July 22, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

d. Mike Sellars will be cut.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 5:39

And the plot thickens

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 22, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know if either back gives the Redskins breakaway speed. Like Willis McGahee and Le'Ron McClain who took it 77 and 82 yards to the house against the hated Cowboys TWICE last year."

McClain a breakaway runner? First I've heard of it. The Cowboys cooperated on that run.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead: "'m intrigued that the Redskins are auditioning scatbacks this season because I'm not sure where a scatback fits in the WCO."

They don't very often. Even small guys like Brian Westbrook are an anomaly. I would guess they're looking for a kick returner.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Sellers won't be cut. A bunch of guys have lasted past 35 doing nothing but blocking for the RB. If nothing else, Selelrs gets traded for a 5th round pick to the Texans

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 22, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ummmmm..... The NEW Truth? Is that new and improved truth? New with extra powerful fuel additives truth? New with special flavor enhancers truth? Excting new truth with flouride?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The NEW Truth? Is that new and improved truth? New with extra powerful fuel additives truth? New with special flavor enhancers truth? Excting new truth with flouride?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 22, 2009 6:26 PM

Basically tells you what you knew all along -- the old truth was a lie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

i'm not sure if portis will break all of his own records, but what I do know is Portis is our most consistent O performer and I see no reason to predict a drop off in performance.

Anyone who blames our 2-6 finish last seeze on Portis, is an IDIOT.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 22, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow night Redskins Willie will be drinking a beer and saying things like:
"I'll tell you one thing, man, CP is definitely a baller. He gives you all he's got on every single play."

Redskins Willie will also say: "CP is getting up in years, he's seen a lot miles. And feature backs like Portis will be doing great things, then all the sudden...boom...they loose the magic."

I'm not trying to put words in Redskins Willies mouth...Really, its just like a public service announcement. If you ever have a chance to grab a beer with Willie, just don't miss it.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The comment that Portis is only 28 is made ever so often.

"A running back with 370 or more carries during the regular season will usually suffer either a major injury or a loss of effectiveness the following year, unless he is named Eric Dickerson.

Terrell Davis, Jamal Anderson, and Edgerrin James all blew out their knees. Larry Johnson broke his foot. Earl Campbell and Eddie George went from legendary powerhouses to plodding, replacement-level players. Shaun Alexander broke his foot and became a plodding, replacement-level player. This is what happens when a running back is overworked to the point of having at least 370 carries during the regular season.

The "Curse of 370" was expanded in Pro Football Prospectus 2006 to include seasons with 390 or more carries in the regular season and postseason combined. Research also shows that receptions don't cause a problem, only workload on the ground.

Plenty of running backs get injured without hitting 370 carries in a season, but there is a clear difference. On average, running backs with 300 to 369 carries and no postseason appearance will see their total rushing yardage decline by 15 percent the following year and their yards per carry decline by two percent. The average running back with 370 or more regular-season carries, or 390 including the postseason, will see their rushing yardage decline by 35 percent, and their yards per carry decline by eight percent.

Research in Pro Football Prospectus 2008 suggests that overuse in college does not create a problem for top prospects, but also shows that players chosen after the first round rarely have a successful NFL career after a college season over 330 carries."
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/print/3891

Let's hope Portis is the exception.

Posted by: fwroy | July 22, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent article, twroy, but it reveals a correlation rather than a cause. Some questions that arise:

1. What's 'magic' about 370 carries? Over a 16 game season, that's 23 per game. Of course, most RBs miss at least one or two games in a season. Does a RB who averages, say, 20 carries per game, significantly reduce the risk of later injury?

2. It's a bit like the 'pitch count' numbers in baseball, which are based in part on the belief that every pitcher has just so many pitches in that arm before injury occurs. Of course, the pitching motion, like the golf swing, is something of an unnatural pattern of movement and that creates some of the problem. Running for daylight is anything but unnatural. Of course, Tiger Woods and Roy Halladay don't get tackled, either. Is the impact the problem? The cutting?

3. Do the numbers suggest that a rotation of backs is safer than having a prime back? Of course, that happens a lot anyway, for other reasons: Tennessee, the Giants, etc.

Interesting subject, and thanks for posting it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

stankhoebegb!tch

Peace, bro', and may your pimp treat you right tonite, you lil hoe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 11:59 AM |

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Engage deez nutz in your mouth, asswipe.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 12:09 PM |

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When you are on a blog you get to pig stick some feeble minded post and then have a chuckle or two out of the reply, which, since there is no counter argument to be made, comes in the form of a schoolyard taunt that no self-respecting 13 year old would lay claim to.

Love it.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

What!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 22, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Just waking back up from that Obama speech.

370 matters only if you believe the world will end in 2012......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This week's RI posts are weak, following a summer pattern of periodic weaky weakness. The Wizards season is done, the Caps season is done, and their respective WaPo Insider blogs still have fresh posts. It's only two weeks from the start of training camp, and this is all the Post can dig up on the Redskins: a recycled poll about predicting CP's running numbers this season. Sheesh. Who is the "Insider" now that JLC is gone? Or is it Insider by committee? Who is Earth, who Wind, and who Fire in this committee arrangement? Or is it Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

Seriously. I know that the Redskins and the WaPost now have an acrimoniuos relationship (thanks, JLC!), but a local blog (Hogs Haven) is kicking the WaPo's fanny in coverage right now, which is pretty sad considering the WaPo's past tradition of being the best source of Redskins news around.

I guess maybe I should capitalize PAST.

Posted by: hithere1 | July 22, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

the 370 carry thing is worth paying attention to. Its not one of those things that requires a deep understanding -- the empirical evidence is simply overwhelming. Carry the ball 370 times and your career as a top back is done after that.

I don't believe 370 = bad and 369 = good. But it strongly suggests that there is a point where an RB can get used up in just 1 season of heavy work. I'm sure its different for each guy. From a coach's perspective, I'd be wary at about 300 carries.

Also, fwiw, 370 is about 24 carries per game. On average, a team runs about 65 offensive plays per game. Meaning unless you have a very good quality backup RB, you need to pass the ball at least 1/2 the time.

Carolina can run the ball 40-45 times in a game since they have 2 solid backs. But most teams can't do that.

Bottom line, even teams with a good a running back NEED to pass the ball 1/2 the time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 22, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"When you are on a blog you get to pig stick some feeble minded post and then have a chuckle or two out of the reply, which, since there is no counter argument to be made, comes in the form of a schoolyard taunt that no self-respecting 13 year old would lay claim to."


If you can understand the post pasted above, you should sue your high school English teacher.

If you can't, thank him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"Heyer has played LT for the 'Skins and he has not been a "disaster."


Thing is, it seems whereas Zorn himself is high on Heyer, he did admit last year the running game got a better 'push' when Jansen played rt.

We know Heyer is a pass blocker.

But has his run blocking improved to where he proves to be a player?

We'll see.

We talk about Campbell playing 'lights out' to get a new contract, and you have to imagine that if Heyer plays well this season, he too might be due for a payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 is everywhere... He's about to show up on NFLN Total Access.....

I can feel training camp...

Heyer for RT...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Its not one of those things that requires a deep understanding -- the empirical evidence is simply overwhelming. Carry the ball 370 times and your career as a top back is done after that."

I don't get that. If it's that strong a correlation, it's worth drilling down a way to figure out what's going on. The answer may be 'multifactorial', as the geeks like to say, but there could be something important to learn. Something beyond the advisability of splitting carries between two backs and making sure you pass the ball half the time. Something a smart coach could put to advantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I had to show up on this post at least once to support my favorite 'Skin: Portis!

The good news is that Portis has never carried the ball 370 times in one season; even if he did, the curse would not effect him cuz he's--wait for it...if you don't know me by now--a HOFamer!!!!!

He will pass John Riggins mark this year, trust me, and if I'm wrong I'll be da first to cry about on this blog..

He has plenty left in the tank(at least 700 carries in him) and he gets stronger as he gets more carries; need proof?

Skins W-L(Portis gets 25+carries a game): 17-5

Skins W-L(Portis gets 30+carries a game):
5-1

He's always a threat to break a 20+yarder, especially when he gets more carries.

Thanks Portis for all you do. I can't remember the last time we drafted a HB. Portis is not just a HB, he's a football player, straight up!

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Lemme also add that Portis averages 4.5yards/carrie when he gets 30+ touches!

Look at him go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05e_PdQEjRA

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Now is not the time to be a hater, if your a true fan of the skins.Why?because there is plenty of room for optimism,despite all of our legitimate greivances.Band together skins nation and let's ride this ecclectic roster of warriors to an NFC East championship!Hip Hip Hooray!

Posted by: mark65 | July 22, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I think that the combination of the rule of 370 plus Portis's nagging injury history and lack of explosive speed are all concerns. I think that Portis will have an above average season, but it will be his last productive one. So let's hope that it is in a season that matters.

BTW Samson the statistics are pretty powerful: of the 27 dudes who carried 370 times, 26 did worse, and most of them a lot worse, than previous year. I think it should be called the rule of Dickerson.

But he was 30 carries below the magic #, so maybe he will be OK>

Posted by: zornskins2 | July 22, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

zornskins2,

I respect your opinion and jus wanted to reply to some of the things you said:

I agree Portis suffers nagging injuries, but I'm sure every football player will tell you they are never really 100% over the course of the season and more important is the amount of games you miss due to injury; Portis has only missed 9 games for us and his toughness is unquestioned.

I also think you have set yourself up to be pleasantly surprised two seasons from now.

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I've tried this many times but it never works.

I need help from all you faithful bloggas to allow me to be...

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Last

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"I think that the combination of the rule of 370 plus Portis's nagging injury history and lack of explosive speed are all concerns."

Whereas I get the 370-rule, I continue to be astounded by folks who still believe a dominant running game somehow equals success in the NFL.

People: The NFL is a passing league.

The pats, colts, chargers, stillers, jints: all passing teams that throw the ball to set up the run.

Three excellent wide receivers and an athletic offensive line supporting a quick minded quarterback will land you in a championship game before the likes of a power running back will.

For one thing, the season is too long and the defenses too good for one back to dominant the way they did back in the day.

The iggles and cards--two passing teams-- wacked each other in last championship game while two NFC running teams--the skins and vikes--sat at home watching.

Forget about Portis and a record. I'm for putting the ball in Jason Campbell's hands and joining the 21st Century.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

What all passing team won the SB?

Even Peton wasn't the 'real' MVP of the SB. It was the RB. The Steelers had zero passing game until that last play.

And you see what happened to the (not so perfect) Pats a few years back....

And what year was that when Coryell won the SB? Oh, never you say?

You need running for the change of pace and ball control purposes.

And Defenses win championships.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Who is Earth, who Wind, and who Fire in this committee arrangement? Or is it Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

Posted by: hithere1

I happen to be fond of Earth Wind and Fire -- 24 hours ago, I was watching them perform live here in San Jose. They still got it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

zce: "Its not one of those things that requires a deep understanding -- the empirical evidence is simply overwhelming. Carry the ball 370 times and your career as a top back is done after that."

I don't get that. If it's that strong a correlation, it's worth drilling down a way to figure out what's going on. The answer may be 'multifactorial', as the geeks like to say, but there could be something important to learn. Something beyond the advisability of splitting carries between two backs and making sure you pass the ball half the time. Something a smart coach could put to advantage.

Posted by: Samson151 |

Maybe there's more to learn from this, but my point was that there is one very important and very obvious lesson from the 370 carry analysis.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Skins W-L(Portis gets 25+carries a game): 17-5

Skins W-L(Portis gets 30+carries a game):
5-1


Posted by: Vicc

A bit of effect and cause in these numbers. You run to control the clock when you're ahead. So Portis carries the ball a lot when we're ahead. That's why the record is so good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Vicc People: The NFL is a passing league.

The pats, colts, chargers, stillers, jints: all passing teams that throw the ball to set up the run.

Three excellent wide receivers and an athletic offensive line supporting a quick minded quarterback will land you in a championship game before the likes of a power running back will.

For one thing, the season is too long and the defenses too good for one back to dominant the way they did back in the day.

The iggles and cards--two passing teams-- wacked each other in last championship game while two NFC running teams--the skins and vikes--sat at home watching.

Forget about Portis and a record. I'm for putting the ball in Jason Campbell's hands and joining the 21st Century.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Mista is right to a degree. You need balance. But first, a fact check.

In 2008, the top run teams, in order:
jints, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Vikes, Pats, Titans, Skins.
6/8 make the playoffs, 7/8 win 10 or more games

Top passing teams, in order
Saints, Cards, Broncos Texans, Colts, iggles, Chargers, Packers
4/8 make the playoffs, 1/8 win 10 or more games. 6/8 win either 8 or 9 games

Draw your own conclusions ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:11 AM | Report abuse

So, if Portis carries the ball 30+ times a game...

Skins go 15-3

I hope they lose the 3 in the beginning and go on to the Super Bowl! That would be ideal.

But that leaves ONE very important 19th game...

Hmmm. Maybe that game we give him the ball 40+ times for good measure, just to be sure.

This year is gonna be CAKE!

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | July 23, 2009 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Mista is right to a degree. You need balance. But first, a fact check.

In 2008, the top run teams, in order:
jints, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Vikes, Pats, Titans, Skins.
6/8 make the playoffs, 7/8 win 10 or more games

Top passing teams, in order
Saints, Cards, Broncos Texans, Colts, iggles, Chargers, Packers
4/8 make the playoffs, 1/8 win 10 or more games. 6/8 win either 8 or 9 games

Draw your own conclusions ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:11 AM |

My conclusion is that MistaMoe should try fact-based blogging once and awhile. He might actually like it.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | July 23, 2009 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Mista is right to a degree. You need balance. But first, a fact check.

In 2008, the top run teams, in order:
jints, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Vikes, Pats, Titans, Skins.
6/8 make the playoffs, 7/8 win 10 or more games

Top passing teams, in order
Saints, Cards, Broncos Texans, Colts, iggles, Chargers, Packers
4/8 make the playoffs, 1/8 win 10 or more games. 6/8 win either 8 or 9 games

Draw your own conclusions ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:11 AM |

My conclusion is that you don't have enough data. Specifically, where's a measure of a "balanced offense," which Moe was asking about? All you're showing are unbalanced offenses and, even there, you're not showing all the teams that made the playoffs, only cutting it off at an arbitrary "top eight."

The team that won it all, Pittsburgh, is not in the top eight running or passing. So how'd they win? Might it have been a balanced offense?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

You need balance. But first, a fact check.

In 2008, the top run teams, in order:
jints, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Vikes, Pats, Titans, Skins.
6/8 make the playoffs, 7/8 win 10 or more games

Top passing teams, in order
Saints, Cards, Broncos Texans, Colts, iggles, Chargers, Packers
4/8 make the playoffs, 1/8 win 10 or more games. 6/8 win either 8 or 9 games

Draw your own conclusions ...

-----------------------------------------

Drawing conclusions here is easy: defense is the defining commodity.

Each of the top running teams listed--except the Falcons--has a balla defense.

The singular advantage the redskins have is a stout defense coupled with a strong run game.

Any kind of improvement in the passing game moves the skins into the upper tier of teams in the league.

Again: the league's rules are set up to reward passing and scoring.

Let's try taking advantage of that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

There is no disputing that Portis is a hell of a football player in addition to being a great running back. Having said that, there's no way this offense is going to be successful with him carrying 25-30 times a game, for one thing he won't last past week 8.

This team needs to develop more of a passing game, and also be more creative, and find more options in the running game.

Hopefully this is the year the offense will go more through Jason Campbell, than Portis, and we will find a change of pace back, or more alternatives in the run game, than just - Portis left, Portis up the middle, and Portis right.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

"What all passing team won the SB?"


Let's try the niners of Young, Taylor, and Rice.

The rams of Warner, Holt, and Bruce.

Maybe I didn't see the last two Super Bowls: weren't they won by quarterbacks and wide receivers making great plays in the 3-4 quarters?

The pats of brady lost the super bowl did so in the same year he threw 50 touchdown passes.

And then there's that colts victory against the bears where the mvp was--P Manning: a quarterback.

I'd do more '..data-based..' blogging, but this is enough to get folks chatting all morning.

After all, that's my job in this blog.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

In case anyone forgot, when it comes to football, - Speed kills.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

The team that won it all, Pittsburgh, is not in the top eight running or passing. So how'd they win? Might it have been a balanced offense?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse


#1 D.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

#1 D.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 7:33 AM

Wrong answer. Try again. The #1 D didn't put up 27 points. The #1 D gave up 23 points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"The team that won it all, Pittsburgh, is not in the top eight running or passing. So how'd they win? Might it have been a balanced offense?"


That's kinda sorta the argument I'm presenting.

The offense of the Washington Redskins is unbalanced in that thinks 'run-first'.

Remember: when Gibbs left, the team employed his running game with Zorn's passing game.

And when Portis got banged up, it couldn't successfully throw the ball to keep things honest.

The suggestion is that any kind of improvement in the passing game will open the run game up even more, reward the defense's effort by getting easy touchdowns, or allow the team to comeback at the end of games if it has to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I'll accept the argument if it's changed to 'pass-first' vs. 'run-first'. But the concept of an all passing offense is laughable. It would/could never work.

Bottom line, different types of offensive schemes win superbowls depending upon a multitude of factors.

To distort a hallowed axiom "It's not how you play the game, it's whether you win or loose!"

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

took a 3 day vacation, and now I'm back....went camping with the family and some friends, great time....what'd I miss??

Please tell me that M. Mason is still on the team.......

Moe....could you spare some offense...we're stuggling in that aspect...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

#1 D.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 7:33 AM

Wrong answer. Try again. The #1 D didn't put up 27 points. The #1 D gave up 23 points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Granted Stillers gave up 23 pts in super bowl. But #1 D got them into SB, not a strong O. Their O line is not good. Passing game is OK. But D kept them in every game last year, many times scoring or setting up scoring opportunities.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

took a 3 day vacation, and now I'm back....went camping with the family and some friends, great time....what'd I miss??

Please tell me that M. Mason is still on the team.......

Moe....could you spare some offense...we're stuggling in that aspect...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Yes, MM is still on the roster, but we haven't been able to negotiate for Leigh Torrence yet.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Wrong answer. Try again. The #1 D didn't put up 27 points. The #1 D gave up 23 points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Granted Stillers gave up 23 pts in super bowl. But #1 D got them into SB, not a strong O. Their O line is not good. Passing game is OK. But D kept them in every game last year, many times scoring or setting up scoring opportunities.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Also, look at the Arizona D. They scored 27 against a mediocre D in that game.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 23, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

WB, Beaner! Hope the Mosquitos didn't take your kids hostage!! whar'd ya camp?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Lol, Fritz.

I was just gonna say Beaner missed the Leigh Torrence explosion of Awesmoe!

Leigh Torrence will eat a homeless person, if you dare him...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Tully Lake, in Royalston, MA. Great place. Great place, I highly recommend. Except for the psychotic female ranger who put the fear of God into my wife regarding bears....other than that, really clean, campground....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Nice! Clean, welcoming facility and a healthy paranoia of marsupials...

... bears are marsupials, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

not really up on my bear facts dik, but that doesn't sound right.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Danny Boy's season ticket waiting list must not be as large as claimed. My bro and sis were offered season tickets back in May by the Deadskins. 2 tickets end zone very last row upper deck. So my bro called the ticket office to see if they had anything better. He got upgraded to two tickets on the 50 yard line.

Obviously folks aren't renewing and many have given up on Danny Boy as owner.

Posted by: sheepherder | July 23, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Heh….bears...we have a town up here in DE called Bear……always cracks me up when they post news headlines when stuff happens in Bear. Like for example “Bear man robs bank”, or “Bear man found dead in basement”…..I’ve never seen this Bear-man, but legend has it, he’s a pretty scary guy-bear-thing. I am waiting for “Bear man arrested for stealing pic-a-nic baskets”……it’s funny like Man-bear-pig……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

zce: "You need balance. But first, a fact check. In 2008, the top run teams, in order: jints, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Vikes, Pats, Titans, Skins.6/8 make the playoffs, 7/8 win 10 or more games
Top passing teams, in order
Saints, Cards, Broncos Texans, Colts, iggles, Chargers, Packers
4/8 make the playoffs, 1/8 win 10 or more games. 6/8 win either 8 or 9 games
Draw your own conclusions ..."

Somebody else has already pointed this out, I'm sure, but the argument in favor of run-oriented offenses breaks down quickly. Both Super Bowl teams, and 3 of the 4 finalists, were subpar running attacks. Arizona finished 32nd, Pitt 23rd, Philly 22nd. The only run-strong team in the conference finals was Baltimore, and the Ravens had a dumbed-down pass attack because of their rookie QB.

But when the playoffs arrived, Pitt and Arizona ramped up their running games, finishing 4th and 5th respectively. Why? I suspect because the defenses aligned to slow down the pass and the Steelers and Cards simply took what the defense gave them.

In effect, Pittsburgh and Arizona demonstrated the importance of balance in the playoffs as opposed to the regular season. The team that couldn't adjust -- Baltimore -- suffered more than the others, even with a superior defense. It's not that difficult to stop the run unless you're worried about the pass.

To digress: which made me wonder why Ozzie Newsome didn't go after WRs this year, instead of a RT. WR was identified as their #1 area of need. Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, and Brian Robiskie were available. Derrick Mason was getting old. So he picks a run blocker in the first and no WRs at all. Baltimore fams have to wonder what Ozzie was thinking.

So I think Moe has a very valid point. If you can't adjust in the playoffs to get some semblance of balance, you're at a disadvantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Happy Thursday:

One week til training camp begins!
Three weeks til first Pre-season game!
7.5 weeks til Redskins vs Giants!

It’s getting closer….closer!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

What will look worse on TV, the new Seahawks lime green uniform

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/seahawks/Lime%20jersey.jpg

or the new detroit Lions uniform?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h137/furball22/Random%20Junk/lions.jpg

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Ok, WaPo folks, we're a week away from Training Camp now. Time to start cranking out some new daily content.

Heck, I'll even start you out with what should be your first in depth article - a complete review and analysis of the Skins 2009 draft signings and the work left to be done on that front. We've already got several guys under contract, but the major guys like Barnes and Orakpo are still in limbo.

The action is going to be fast and furious over the next 7 days to get these guys signed and into camp on time. So what's the progress? Are their offers on the table yet? Are negotiations ongoing? I realize it's somewhat of a domino effect based on other picks' deals, but it all has to start somewhere.

Would really like some informative updates on this stuff, along with analysis of the Skins cap situation currently and post-signings.

Can someone pull P10 off the Tour de Prance to start working on this? :)

Posted by: McMetal | July 23, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

That Seahawks uni looks like a lemon-lime Sqweeze Freezer Pop. Maybe Hasselbeck is going blind and needs high-vis jerseys to see his receivers?

Samson - BAL went for a RT because Newsome thought Ohler was a very good player who'd be there for 15 years. Generally, drafting a WR in the first round is risky, and even the good ones won't stick much past 6-7 years. Newsome drafts for the future.

They may end up grabbing Brandon Marshall from DEN. I think there is some kind of rule against having 2 Brandons at WR, so they've got to get rid of one. Anyway, BAL has the biggest criminal in the league who'd keep Marshall in line. So no worries about his attitude.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Training Camp.

PLEASE NO INJURIES TO OL OR DL.

Thank you very much in advance.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the censor, Toadilac..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

There is something off about the new Lions blue to me too. I think it will look bad on the HDTV

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

How about no injuries PERIOD?

Injuries are going to happen, just gotta hope it doesn't happen to a impact player.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Seattle jerseys will look worse hands down. They'll blend in with the turf. You'll just see floating helmets.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

That Seattle lime looks atrocious. What is it with them and that shade of green?

It's like caterpillar blood green.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ummm ... is Eric Dickerson still available?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Dpc: “Samson - BAL went for a RT because Newsome thought Ohler was a very good player who'd be there for 15 years. Generally, drafting a WR in the first round is risky, and even the good ones won't stick much past 6-7 years. Newsome drafts for the future."

Nice try, but the numbers don’t seem to back you up. Very few OTs last 15 years in this league – partly because they’re usually a bit older when drafted (Oher, for instance, is 23). So to play at a high level for 15 years would be most unlikely.

Second, WRs, especially the really good ones, often play well beyond 6-7 years. Jerry Rice played 20 seasons. Cris Carter played 14. Derrick Mason has played 13 to this point. WRs get old, but they don’t take the punishment that RBs do.

I suspect Ozzie likes to draft O-linemen because he’s better at evaluating them.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

no, bears are not marsupials, that would be like, a kangaroo and maybe an opossum that carry their young in pouches.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm down with no white on the Skins uniforms this season (or next or whenever it is they change jerseys). Just burgundy and gold. Tops, bottoms, whatever. No white. [And Rogers or Portis gets to call the colors for socks and/or laces for the team on a weekly basis.] No white. White is the color of purity ... and weakness.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh - Hippo Birdie Two Ewes to Capt. Caveman!

Did anyone catch him last night in his John Dayly shorts? Hil-frekkin-arious.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

except numbers and names on the backs of jerseys. I will compromise on white numbers. For the refs, you know.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Seattle jerseys will look worse hands down. They'll blend in with the turf. You'll just see floating helmets.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I think they will be no worse then when Philly had the old Kelly green uniforms and played on the old Vet astroturf.

We should make them paint their grass orange or something to balance it out

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Women are marsupials. They always have that pouch they carry around for the keys, the checkbook, the credit cards, the chapstick, the bobby pin, the hard boiled egg (rarely do they lose at the end of "Let's Make a Deal").

Actually, my they are LIKE marsupials ... in that they carry around that pouch of stuff ... the only difference is that womens' purses aren't lined with mucus and goo.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

As long as we're making requests, can we get ONE of the second round receivers to show up this year?

Posted by: Moose33 | July 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

When you are on a blog you get to pig stick some feeble minded post and then have a chuckle or two out of the reply, which, since there is no counter argument to be made, comes in the form of a schoolyard taunt that no self-respecting 13 year old would lay claim to.

Love it.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie


Classic "I wanna play in the rain, but don't wanna get wet" b-dot-s.

Feeble minded?

And what exactly makes you a genius, a-hole? You're ability to pick a post and hate on it?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I would also vote for the Skins to have gold (ah la Navy/Army/ND) pants, with a burgundy stripe, I think they wore something like that in the Original uniforms. Though they have historically had white numbers on the uniforms

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Red - I coming to your hood and staying from tommorow to Sunday. MAke sure I get the Royal treatment, cool?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I request a dome mini stadium for a practice field.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

4th, I'll tell 'em to lay out the RED carpet for ya.

You goin' to VA Beach or some other place in VA?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I request a dome mini stadium for a practice field.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:18 AM

... except not the one made by the guys who made the one is Dallas ... unless ALL THREE of the second round receivers shows up this season, in which case, well ... still F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see the skins get new unis but I'm terrified of what they'd look like with the Danny picking them. He'd probably go with burgundy one-pieces with gold tassles and a sash like some third rate belly dancer at an Afghani resteraunt. Yikes

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

With all this redness, I'm wondering whether RedDMV isn't the blog identity of the Red Snapper, Ethan Albright ... and that his intense (and enjoyable) flame posts directed toward the likes of The Truth and Franco Begbie isn't just a long pent up rage about the insultingly low Madden rating on that video game.

Viva Red!

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm def anti-sash ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Cinday, can we get a new re-post of an earlier WaPo RI poll please?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

O_E.
I know I heard Vinny saying way back on his show that he views the current look as a classic that should not be changed, like how ND's uniforms are viewed.

I always thought that the 70th aniv. uniform was a good indicator on what the Danny really wanted to look like (IE Pittsburgh Steelers with better color).

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Budweiser Gardens and Water Country USA...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I remember hearing that, too. I dug the Anniversary unis, but would have gone with Burgundy pants instead of the gold.

I also have an odd appreciation for the Ronald McDonald throwbacks from a couple of seasons ago.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Wzup with all the polls? (giggitty giggitty)

On a serious note, we had this discussion last season about uniforms and wanting new uniforms for specific games but how many people are in favor of permanent uniforms?
You know the one that actually look like we are in the new millenium.
For pete's sake the buccaneers even got new uniforms

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

By Ronald McDonald, I assume you mean the Green Bay Redskins look?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

GO1,
I would be for new uniforms for this team so long as they meet 3 conditions.

Keep the logo, The indian head is the most classic look ever.

keep the colors, we need no black, no cherry red, no silver.

avoid weird stripes and pipes like ATL or Cinci.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if the Redskin head left and the spear came back.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

just no maroon on maroon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 23, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

By Ronald McDonald, I assume you mean the Green Bay Redskins look?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Yep. Sorry, it's the first thing I thought of when I saw them so that's what I always associate the with.

I'm a spear guy, myself. I also prefer burgundy on burgundy to that god awful burgundy jersey/white pants combo.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

So we are in agreement, as soon as we get a new owner we get a new uniform.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The all red's did not work for me, as others have said. Too AFL/College looking.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if the Redskin head left and the spear came back.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse


I would mind.

I'm not trying to sport gear that could easily get mistaken for the Florida State Criminoles.

...especially since I'm a Terp...

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I think the should just keep the burgundy and gold, ditch the white. how they wear the colors makes no difference to me.
I also think the uniforms new to look a little bit more new millenium and not that baggy NFL films look

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The burgandy jersey with the white pants look the best. Those uniforms they wore against Pittsburgh last year were atrocious. I saw them and threw up in my mouth, as far as the throwbacks I really like the ones they wore 2 years ago against the Giants.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to sport gear that could easily get mistaken for the Florida State Criminoles.

...especially since I'm a Terp...

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 11:09 AM

My stepfather had a Warrick Dunn FSU Jersey many moons ago. He said when he went on vacation to that resort in the Bahamas, other tourist would come up to him and say he looks very familiar. They asked if he was a pro-athelete and he said no. But they thought he was lying. They started to say he was Darrel Green because he was wearing the FSU #28 jersey, which looks like skins colors.

He said he even signed some autograohs as Darrel Green since no one would believe him that he wasn't. Seriously, what athelete wears his own jersey on vacation????

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And NO TUTUs

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Tutus are OK as long as they're not white.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

My stepfather had a Warrick Dunn FSU Jersey many moons ago. He said when he went on vacation to that resort in the Bahamas, other tourist would come up to him and say he looks very familiar. They asked if he was a pro-athelete and he said no. But they thought he was lying. They started to say he was Darrel Green because he was wearing the FSU #28 jersey, which looks like skins colors.

He said he even signed some autograohs as Darrel Green since no one would believe him that he wasn't. Seriously, what athelete wears his own jersey on vacation????

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse


I guess the jersey didn't say "Dunn" on the back?

I can imagine a real insecure attention-needy athlete wearing his own jersey on vacation...TO comes to mind...that's about it.

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should change their name to the Rednecks and wear plain white t-shirts with blue jeans. Any player wishing to sport a mullet would be given a $20k bonus if they kept it for the season. Change the logo to a muscular arm with a tatoo that says "Earnhardt Forever" and in the hand will be a refreshing can of Keystone beer. And when the regular season starts with Waylong Jennings Jr. asking if we are ready for some football, we'll all say, "Hell yeah!" and follow it with a real rebel yell. Man, that would be beautiful.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if the Redskin head left and the spear came back.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Nah, man, the Bobby Michell feather over the top of the helmet..Its just bad ju-ju to retrowear uniforms that struggled like that, we had success with the head and feathers on the side almost immediately (though much as I hate them , the Cowboys have the coolest uniforms..and the Raiders in black)..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead


Yeah, and instead of a group chant of go Redskins before each game we could huddle up at midfield and chant

" Get er done"
" Get er done"
Let me hear you say it

And London fletcher can play Ray lewis and say

Any rednecks in the house
1,2,3 Get er done

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Seattle "Exorcist Puke-Green" unis look almost punk, but my Carolina Panthers Stephen Davis jersey wid the blue spray-painted black, and with "Angela" stencilled over the "Davis" is the punkest of them all- The BLACK PANTHAS, jack!!! (there, is that nice enouhgh , webbie??)

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think some people are blowing things out of proportion.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

P1Funk - That's back when you could get a jersey for $20 bucks out of JC Penny. Ofcourse you are not getting a name on the back.....

Burgundy and Gold Leotards!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, what athelete wears his own jersey on vacation????

Posted by: 4thFloor


I am gonna make a few guesses here.

Terell Owens
Tom Brady
Chad Johnson

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

(though much as I hate them , the Cowboys have the coolest uniforms..and the Raiders in black)..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Cowboys? wow. I've never liked them.

My faves:
1. Bucs
2. Jets
3. Broncos
4. Vikings
5. Cards

Least faves:
1. Packers
2. Bungles
3. Chiefs
4. Dolphins
5. Panthers

Once they actually wear them in a game, the Seattle greenies will be added to the least faves list.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I think some people are blowing things out of proportion.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:35 AM

Up here? Never. That said, nothing is quite as much fun as things blowed up.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Not exactly me neck of the woods, but I haven't been to Busch Gardens and Water Country in years...

I am a fan of the burgundy uniforms. I wish they brought 'em out in Dallas.

Would like to see the 70s gold bottoms and burgundy jerseys too.

What are the thoughts on a all gold uniform? Over-gold?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Favorite uniforms ... the New Zealand All Blacks Rugby. [Also, my favorite pre-game chant to scare the opponent as well.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

What are the thoughts on a all gold uniform? Over-gold?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How do they go to the bathroom in all that SJK?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

How do they go to the bathroom in all that SJK?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 11:45 AM

In Cleveland, not needing to leave the field to do that is one of the advantages of wearing the brown pants.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I like it. I like it alot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Favorite NFL uniform (leaving my skins out to save bias)-
Colts all whites
Jets all whites
Green Bay home
Chicago Blue on white
Rames Blue on gold, (like old yellow better but the new gold isn't bad)

Worst

New Cinci
New ATL
New Vikings
New Arizona

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I think STL had an all gold uniform in Madden NFL don't know if they ever tried it in a game.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I think if they had gold pants with burgandy stripe, and gold jersey with burgandy/white numbers. Keep the same helmet, that might look pretty good. But I think the Browns have good looking uniforms.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I also have an odd appreciation for the Ronald McDonald throwbacks from a couple of seasons ago.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 10:41 AM |

I didn't mind them until they blew a 14 point lead and Ladell Betts fell down on the goal line. Weak.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 23, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Uniform Fave:
Ravens all black
Skins all burgundy ( I said it)
Broncos Orange jersey and blue pants
Chargers powder blue
Steelers Throwbacks

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

49ers got an all gold uni on madden too.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Again: the league's rules are set up to reward passing and scoring.

Let's try taking advantage of that.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Greatly oversimplified. Must also take into account Domes, weather, conference, schedule and THE single most critical factor of all--OWNERSHIP & MANAGEMENT.

Yes, the rules have been changed to make the game "more entertaining" to people unable to understand the finer points of football.

But it's still football, which means the bigger, badder, smarter team usually wins.

And to become bigger badder and smarter, you need great ownership and management.

Therein lis the problem, kiddies.

Not to say The Danny won't someday "get it."

Steinbrenner did. Donald Sterling never will.

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I think if they had gold pants with burgandy stripe, and gold jersey with burgandy/white numbers. Keep the same helmet, that might look pretty good. But I think the Browns have good looking uniforms.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse


Agree on the Browns uniforms. Classic and simple.

All gold uniforms for the skins would have to be promoted as 'Studio 54 Night' at Fedex field.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

When did Steinrenner ever get it? His championships were built while he couldn't control his own team?

Stick to ripping others on a strictly NFL basis......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I forgot the Bronco's orange jersey, it makes them look a lot more Denver. I love it when all the teams that went to generic colors (AKA) Navy go back to their roots a bit. I will be a happy man when they stop that stuff

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

GO1, I was with ya until the Steeler throwbacks and the orange Denver uniforms.

My Faves:

'Skins all burgundy
Titans all blue
Ravens all black
Any recent Falcons uniform
Old Chargers powder blue uniform - the Alworth one
Cincy uniform
late 90s 49ers uniform with the 3D numbers and letters
Seahawk all teal uniform
Buffalo throwback uniform

that's it, lol.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"...But the concept of an all passing offense is laughable. It would/could never work..."

The only thing that should pass all the time is time and gas.

(INSERT image of various bloggas waving fans to spread the noxious odor while complaining, "He who smelt it, dealt it.")

No one wants to go "Air Zorn."

But for the redskins team to be playoff caliber, it must possess the ability to generate an occasional 300 yard, multiple touchdown pass game.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

"In Cleveland, not needing to leave the field to doo-doo is one of the advantages of wearing the brown pants."


Another fine example of what brown can do for you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Again: the league's rules are set up to reward ... scoring.

Let's try taking advantage of that.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Talk about unfair rules.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I would not mind going into the New England Spread System.

Lets face it that basically what NE does now is the College Spread offense with the line playing closer together.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Portis slowed down the second 1/2 of 2008 beacause the defenses he faced were all strong (except for Seattle - and he put up 144yrds vs. them). Skins played 7 final 8 games vs. teams with top 13 total defenses (including 4 of the top 5.. skins D was 4th total) and 6 of last eight vs. teams in top 13 in run defense (including teams ranked 2, 3, and 4). Portis is a good player. This team won't win until it's fans stop complaining.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | July 23, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Well played, moe, well played.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 23, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse


alex35332 said
I would not mind going into the New England Spread System.

Lets face it that basically what NE does now is the College Spread offense with the line playing closer together.
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NE operates out of the shot gun nearly 80% of the time. In a "what if" situation whether Portis or Campbell to the injured reserve, the Skins could use Chase Daniels
is experienced against top notch college competition. NE was successful last season with that formation with a guy hardly used in USC games.

Posted by: fwroy | July 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

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