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Back to the Rooney Rule ...

An interesting Associated Press story that moved across the wires last night suggests recent hiring practices are shining a light on the effectiveness -- or ineffectiveness -- of the NFL's Rooney Rule. As you might've guessed, the Redskins were a focal point.

"That is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be, [that] you make up your mind and then interview a candidate for it anyway just to satisfy the rule," former coach Tony Dungy told the Associated Press.

Not hard to figure out one of the teams he's talking about. Before hiring Mike Shanahan -- and actually, before even firing Jim Zorn -- the Redskins interviewed their secondary coach, Jerry Gray. They essentially pre-complied with the rule, which allowed them to hire the coach they really wanted immediately after sacking Jim Zorn. And sure enough, Zorn had barely left Redskins Park for a final time when owner Daniel Snyder sent his jet to fetch his new coach last week.

"If the Jerry Gray situation is the way it has been described as happening, I don't think it was fair," Dungy told the AP. "I don't think I would ever interview for a job if my boss was not out of the job. I don't blame Jerry; it's the position he was put in, if it happened that way."

The Fritz Pollard Alliance oversees the rule and tells the NFL whether it thinks teams have complied. After speaking multiple times with Gray, the Fritz Pollard Alliance told the NFL that it felt the Redskins were earnest in efforts to consider Gray as the next head coach.

Gray didn't get that job, but now might be one of the only assistants retained by Shanahan; Gray is being considered for the soon-to-be vacant defensive coordinator position.

It might sound a litte sketchy, but nothing about the process has been simple and straight-forward. Gray has been evasive in his answers and has still never publicly acknowledged that he even interviewed.

"Do we have to fight and safeguard against shenanigans?" John Wooten, the Fritz Pollard Alliance president told AP. "Yes."

But Wooten never thought the Redskins were involved in any shenanigans. In the AP story, he expressed frustrations with Gray -- not the Redskins.

"I told Jerry that Dan Snyder went about it the right way. He called the commissioner and the commissioner called me," Wooten said. "The thing that bothered me with Jerry is he didn't stand up and say, `Dan Snyder came to me and asked me would I be interested in being coach of the Redskins?' "

By Rick Maese  |  January 11, 2010; 9:52 AM ET
 
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WOW...

First to say I picked every game wrong this past weekend...

Posted by: WRBD | January 11, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The only thing more annoying than Favre-worship in the NFL is Cowgirls-worship.
Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:33 AM

I was thinking the same thing. There are 4 games this weekend….expect to see about 20% of all pregame coverage about the “other three” games, and 80% dedicated to Romo vs Favre……it’s gonna be ugly.

Unfortunately Dallas is playing some serious football these days. I am rooting for the chargers from here on out….I think that they are the only team that will be able to handle the cowboys (maaaaybe Indy though). I don’t really care who wins as long as it isn’t the cowboys. I still have a soft spot for Norv too. Should they make it to the big game, I just don’t think Flacco or Sanchez would be able to successfully handle the Dallas blitz like Rivers and Manning. Rivers especially has bigger receivers who can go up and get it in man covg against blitzes.

But anyway, go Vikings!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 11, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

F dallass

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The rooney rule you guys are getting as bad as that hack Florio with this sh_t, how about some news on the team.

The NFL said the rule was adhered to so leave it the SJK alone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to use a late rounder on Ryan Stamper. The guy is a baller. I can't find out where he's supposed to go in the draft. He's ranked very low as an outside linebacker so I'm assuming he's projected to go undrafted. He's really undersized but I think he would do well here. Our SLB needs to be able to cover a TE and bring him down. I think this kid can do that. The only issue I can forsee is Orakpo getting beat up in the running game. We may need to do some serious substituting to match personnel. I'd probably sit him and Rak against Jacobs/Barber in short yardage.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Really PortisPockets?
After the last 4 years of JC, you would equally accept Campbell or Flacco beind center next September in the last two minutes of a one score game?
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Jason Campbell > Joe Flacco
Keep Campbell and try to get him the pieces around him like Flacco has.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:02 AM
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(Flacco Added)

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Aaron Rodgers 112.1
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Rony Romo 102.4
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Kurt Warner 88.1
Joe Flacco 77.1
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This story belongs on a Seattle Seahawks blog somewhere.

The Redskins complied with the rule as it is written. end of story.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"That is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be, [that] you make up your mind and then interview a candidate for it anyway just to satisfy the rule," former coach Tony Dungy told the Associated Press.

By Rick Maese | January 11, 2010; 9:52 AM ET

How many head coaches were hired because of a Rooney Rule interview? Did Tony Dungy get his jobs because of the Rooney Rule?

If this "is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be" then write a different Rooney Rule. But, in the meantime, don't blame teams who are following the rule that's on the books.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ralph Wiggum voice: "Whats a Rooney Rule?"

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Snyder will take care of Jerry.. watch the coming quid pro quo..
For that matter, why blame Jerry for doing what his boss told him to...
Wasnt the Redskins plane parked at the Denver airport, three days after the Lions debacle? Danny doesnt Ski.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I was rooting hard for the Eagles the other night, but oh well. I’ve always thought that Mcnabb didn’t deserve all of the local criticism he gets up here in Philly and that he would one day win them a SB….not so sure of that now, and boy does he look like a tool after that little pre-game air guitar/yell at the fan thing he did…..

Also liked to see that Wade Phillips finally realized that Marion the Barbarion is the most overrated running back ever and deserves to be on the pine. The guys is only good for mop up duty when the starters have gotten the defense wiped out….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 11, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Like Wilson, Orakpo is also a liability in pass coverage. In the NFC East you have to contend with big tight ends that can catch a pass, and invariably a linebacker will get isolated in pass coverage on them. I remember all too well watching Orakpo a few steps behind Witten as he grabbed a long pass. So, I like Orakpo better as an end than as a linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

yes really...

Flacco had a QB rating of 10 yesterday.

Flacco's season production is virtually identical to JCs.

Flacco also had the benefit of a much better line, and a much better running game this season.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Yeah really flounder. If the league says they complied... stop trying to make a story out of nothing. The rule will continue to be treated like the Skins treated it. If the league wants to tell a team they have to do it, then don't be surprised when a token black guy is interviewed especially when the owner already knows who he wants.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Read headline and then skip to thread.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

paskinsfan

"I'd love to use a late rounder on Ryan Stamper. The guy is a baller."


Agreed.

I think he might just as good or better than the gator linebacker folks now the most--B Spikes.

If there is a need on the redskin D, it's at linebacker.

And we need a real free safety, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

True League.. If Snyder found a loop-hole to get his man, faster.. Then the Rule definitions and compliance procedures need to be better defined by the Fitz Pollard group at the next Owners meeting in West Palm, this March.
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If this "is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be" then write a different Rooney Rule. But, in the meantime, don't blame teams who are following the rule that's on the books.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I am 100% in favor of the rule and 100% opposed to the obsession on the reporting of the rule.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

yes really...

Flacco had a QB rating of 10 yesterday.

Flacco's season production is virtually identical to JCs.

Flacco also had the benefit of a much better line, and a much better running game this season.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM |

Theres one problem with all this Flacco is in his second year JC is in his 5th so JC should be much better.

Remember JC had a good offensive line in his first 3 years and he still didn't produce, everyone is acting like this was JC first year and he had a bad o-line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Redskins & Rooney Rule = Dead horse.

Such old news, how about a comment on how the Seahawks practically hired Pete Carroll first then openly said they would interview Minny's DC to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
Wouldn't that be a more egregious violation?

Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Repost, lost amidst unnecessary and laughable Kyle Orton worship:

Tony Romo's facebook site... a good LOL for us Redskins folks: http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15744

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 11, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

And we need a real free safety, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Ive been impressed with Moore41 at FS since his rookie season. I would like to see him in the mix for FS next season. Thats assuming the DC puts Laron at SS where he belongs. The guy can hit and given some playing time could improve his coverage skills. And possibly hanging onto the ball after he picks one off (saints game)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Does the NFL need a Rooney rule? I mean, at the end of the day, the team is going to pick whomever they think is the best coach out there, right? I don't like the Steelers, but I respect their coach and if he were fired tomorrow, teams would line up to hire him. It's not about if he has a certain skin color; it's about if he can win games or not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Warner was the best player on the field Sunday, making zero mistakes. He finished with a 154.1 rating (158.3 is perfect). "

What a joke - how was it NOT a perfect game??? 29-33, 379 yds, 5 TDS 0 INTs.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Jc was also throwing to a flaming turd of a receiving core. We actually rolled out Keenan McCardells corpse for a while back in 07. The grass is always greener right? oh, and f dallas

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 11, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"First to say I picked every game wrong this past weekend..."

Stand in line.

It's a long one.

Now we got:

ravens v. colts

jets v. charger

dallas v. vikes

cards v. saints

Let the predictions begin!

colts v. chargers

vikes v. saints

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what happened to Chris Horton? Dude came out ballin, making tackles, fumbles, ints. His first couple interviews he seemed smart, dedicated.

I feel like he dropped off the map this year. What's the deal?

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I feel like he dropped off the map this year. What's the deal?

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

He got injured and was not playing most the season. Also Doughty came in balling well to, we have 3 Strong Safties its a log jam.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I feel like he dropped off the map this year. What's the deal?

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

He got injured and was not playing most the season. Also Doughty came in balling well to, we have 3 Strong Safties its a log jam.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Horton went on IR awhile back. He did fall out of favor with coaches before that though. He was benched for a game or 2 I believe.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Does the NFL need a Rooney rule? I mean, at the end of the day, the team is going to pick whomever they think is the best coach out there, right? I don't like the Steelers, but I respect their coach and if he were fired tomorrow, teams would line up to hire him. It's not about if he has a certain skin color; it's about if he can win games or not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:37 AM

Agree, it's like a slap in the face to minority coaches, wasting their time to get an "oh by the way interview". In this day an age, it would be a shame if someone was not picked because he is a minority.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Theres one problem with all this Flacco is in his second year JC is in his 5th so JC should be much better.

Remember JC had a good offensive line in his first 3 years and he still didn't produce, everyone is acting like this was JC first year and he had a bad o-line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

My real point is that you can win without elite qb play.

Flacco vs. JC is really a wash this season.

I think if Campbell had the running game and line that Flacco had this year, he would have put up better numbers than Flacco did.

Just a hypothetical. Not trying to start a debate whether Campbell gets into the HOF.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't that be a more egregious violation?

Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 10:36 AM

Neither one was a violation so the question is which team was in more egregious compliance with the Rooney Rule.

And for those of you who weren't here over the weekend, don't forget SMACK's question about whether a Jim Zorn interview satisfies the Looney Rule.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Colts
Chargers

Vikes
Cards

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I remember all too well watching Orakpo a few steps behind Witten as he grabbed a long pass.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM

Isn't this a somewhat frequent occurance with most LBs on Witten? I will agree that Orakpo is currently a lot better as an end but saying he sucks in coverage because he got beat (as a rookie) by a potential HOF TE is somewhat misleading, no?

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The rooney rule had good intentions. But it is becoming a joke. And to add more stipulations to it probably would have the same effect. Teams go through the motions to comply with x,y,z. But then getting rid of it would cause uproar too. So what do you do? Slowly phase it out i guess...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I think a big aspect of the Rooney Rule is just to give minority coaches an opportunity to interview, which improves their interview skills and help shows what it will take to become an NFL Head Coach or senior executive.

That may not seem like a big deal, especially if the interview is not a genuine opportunity, but I think the experience and visibility could genuinely assist these applicants in the future. And that is what the Rooney Rule is about. They can't dictate who you hire or who you want to hire, but they can force an interview, which might help create an opportunity.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | January 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, This is rule is reverse discrimination and should be removed. Maybe we should set a quota requiring teams to draft a certain percentage of White players. These rules create more barriars among the races not less. This always becomes an issue with why the blacks person didnt get the job. Maybe we should focus on why we dont have any Hispanic coaches or front office people, they are almost the majority in the population.

Posted by: flaskin56 | January 11, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Flacco's season production is virtually identical to JCs.

Flacco also had the benefit of a much better line, and a much better running game this season.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM
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Agreed, PortisPOckets, on overall QB Rating...
Except for the most important area... The last 7 minutes of the game..

Flacco at 77 versus JC at 61 (see list above from NFL.Com).
I'd rather have Flacco in a 2 minute "no huddle type drive.
The OLine and RB issue is over rated.. Look at what a cold Collins did off the bench against the Giants.. In only four plays he exceeded all of Jason's yardage stats for the whole Half with the same OLine/Rbs. Would of thrown for a TD on his 4th pass but Davis dropped an easily catchable ball 2 yards from the end zone.
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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I guess the last thread was getting too long because this is the definition of a non-story. The Rooney Rule, silly to begin with, was followed. Period. In this day and age, there is no better place than sports to examine a world of promotion by performance. Not perfect but as close as we have at the moment.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"JC was also throwing to a flaming turd of a receiving core."

You got that right.

And can we hire whomever finds receivers/tight ends for the packers?

I knew about Greg Jennings, but JaMarcus Finley is a killa.

Like F Davis, he's a second year player.

But check out his stats:
REC 55 YDS 676 AVG 12.3 TDS 5

Fred Davis:
REC 48 YDS 509 AVG 10.6 TDS 6

But he wasn't drafted as high as Davis and wasn't the Mackey Award winner.

Hopefully, Shanny and Bruce can find gems like this without using 2nd round picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

That may not seem like a big deal, especially if the interview is not a genuine opportunity, but I think the experience and visibility could genuinely assist these applicants in the future. And that is what the Rooney Rule is about. They can't dictate who you hire or who you want to hire, but they can force an interview, which might help create an opportunity.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | January 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Wemiss21, the interviews give some press to minority coaches. But this might not be to their advantage. Owners/teams see who is wiling to be the token minority interview candidate. So if Jerry Gray ends up on a different team next year, the head coach is let go/fired, then that team knows it has someone who will help them satisfy the rule. Someone who is in house and willing/able.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney rule was created in good spirits, but the NFL ownership is unique in it's Good 'Ol Boy Network and with the new ones, supposed 'Young Guns'....

Both want it to do it their way....until they lose time over time over time.

People like Snyder/Microsoft guy are these new MArketing Gurus...They want to do it their own way...pick guys that will energize the fan base.....They get a feel for a guy and they latch on to them....

The Rooney Rule compicates things...They know he they want, let it be known before they do interviews...So it would be a sham no matter how you look at it. That's not fair to both sides.

Minorities (mainly blacks) shouldn't be tugged at like that. The spirit of the rule has been broken and now needs to be revised, maybe even scraped for good.

Shanahan was lock for the past 7-9 months. IT is what it is. That's your owner......

Snyder has had plenty of Blacks in certain positions that I wouldn't call him a bigot or prejudice....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Theres one problem with all this Flacco is in his second year JC is in his 5th so JC should be much better.

Remember JC had a good offensive line in his first 3 years and he still didn't produce, everyone is acting like this was JC first year and he had a bad o-line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

My real point is that you can win without elite qb play.

Flacco vs. JC is really a wash this season.

I think if Campbell had the running game and line that Flacco had this year, he would have put up better numbers than Flacco did.

Just a hypothetical. Not trying to start a debate whether Campbell gets into the HOF.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:47 AM
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I think Shanahan mentioned in his interview that coaches have to tailor their offense to their QB's gifts. This simple tactic was something Zorn could not understand. He was looking for a WCO QB when he had a play action QB. It wasn't until Sherm Lewis came onboard that this started to change. I think the wheels fell off the bus after Vinny left because I got a sense Zorn was back into the play calling. My point is, the team can win with Campbell back there. They don't need to grab a QB in the draft this year - especially since they have so much work to do on the offensive line.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

You guys got every game wrong, because you keep picking the favorites...

I got EVERY game right!
Also it's about how you match up with other teams.

Like those who have the Saints over the Cardinals, if the game is won at the line of scrimmage, ask yourself who do you like better between:

ARI D-line vs. NO O-line
NO O-line vs. ARI D-line

I give the nod to ARI both times.

Liss-SUNN, I'm tryin' to tell ya: Vikings over Cowboys, Cardinals over the Saints, Ravens knock off Indy, and the Chargers take care of the Jets.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to figure out why there is a JC vs. Flacco debate going on. Seems pointless.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow...

How about NO D-line vs. ARI O-line?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Flacco's season production is virtually identical to JCs.

Flacco also had the benefit of a much better line, and a much better running game this season.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM

And Flacco is also more accurate...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

ARI D-line vs. NO O-line
NO O-line vs. ARI D-line

I give the nod to ARI both times.


Liss-SUNN, I'm tryin' to tell ya: Vikings over Cowboys, Cardinals over the Saints, Ravens knock off Indy, and the Chargers take care of the Jets.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 11:01 AM |

I take both Olines.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I think a big aspect of the Rooney Rule is just to give minority coaches an opportunity to interview, which improves their interview skills and help shows what it will take to become an NFL Head Coach or senior executive.

That may not seem like a big deal, especially if the interview is not a genuine opportunity, but I think the experience and visibility could genuinely assist these applicants in the future. And that is what the Rooney Rule is about. They can't dictate who you hire or who you want to hire, but they can force an interview, which might help create an opportunity.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | January 11, 2010 10:52 AM

There are better ways to do this. Assign up-and-coming minority coaches to mentors -- head coaches and owners who will help to prepare them (and to promote them) for legitimate interviews.

This is already going on informally, of course, so it wouldn't be a sham to formalize it. The owner who proposes it could get it named after him as in "Jerry Gray was assigned a Snyder Panel" or "Ed Wombat is being Krafted."

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Remember JC had a good offensive line in his first 3 years and he still didn't produce, everyone is acting like this was JC first year and he had a bad o-line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

That's funny, he's only played 3.5 years and the line has been bad for 1.5. So something is not right with your numbers. It seems like you are blaming him for not producing in his first 1.5 years when he was riding the bench.

In his 3.5 years he's had a line for the first 2 but he didn't have a #2 receiver for the first 1.5 of that 2.

In 2006 and 2007 all he had was moss, Randle El, and cooley. Teams were double teaming moss and cooley and letting Randle El try to beat us. Randle El and Moss were leading the league in drops for a while until Randle El got hurt. Then we tried Thrash but he was terrible. We had to pull guys off the street to fill that #2 WR position. Remember when we had Brandon Lloyd, Keenen MacCardell, and the guy from seat 53 section C?

2008 is the year we drafted Kelly, Davis, and Thomas. He's only had receivers and a line for the first half of 2008. That just so happens to be our 6-2 stretch. Then in the second half of 2008 the line fell apart and hasn't returned since. This offense has been terrible long before JC got here. Ever since we decided to make Moss our primary receiver we've had 1 decent offense and that was 2007 when we ranked #14. This year has been the 2nd best passing offense since Moss's arrival in which we ranked #16. Outside of that we've been holding steady at #21.

I think some of you have a really selective memory and I don't blame you. I've personally blocked out entire seasons of Redskins football. Anyways, the point is that the offense has needed an overhaul for the last decade and that is a far bigger problem then our mediocre QB. We fixed the receiving squad and now we need to fix the line and running back. After that we can afford to upgrade at QB. Upgrading at QB right now is the equivalent to getting a hangnail removed when you're dying of kidney failure. Sure it will help but it's not really going to save you.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, This is rule is reverse discrimination and should be removed. Maybe we should set a quota requiring teams to draft a certain percentage of White players. These rules create more barriars among the races not less. This always becomes an issue with why the blacks person didnt get the job. Maybe we should focus on why we dont have any Hispanic coaches or front office people, they are almost the majority in the population.

Posted by: flaskin56 | January 11, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Flaskin56, what are you suggesting we do? Reduce the talent level at skill positions by requiring teams to draft white players? Ha!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Happy "No Pants" Day!! I, along with millions of other sports fans, am celebrating "Hangover" (however, I do urinate Texas Aggie-style, and just drop my drawers and pants to relieve the horny toad)..I think you and me celebrated Passover together one year, Reality, we wuz mao-in' the gifelte and cuttin' the persian rug to "Get Outta Memphis" by Bob Segar wid D.C. and crew..But, "Hangover" is celebrated daily by sports fans the world over, the world's largest religion..oi da vey, eats carrots, too..

Posted by: frak | January 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I just hope Snyder stays home and far away from Redskins Park..
Someone please mail him a Staples Home Office catalog.
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Hopefully, Shanny and Bruce can find gems like this without using 2nd round picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:58 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I remember all too well watching Orakpo a few steps behind Witten as he grabbed a long pass.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM

Isn't this a somewhat frequent occurance with most LBs on Witten? I will agree that Orakpo is currently a lot better as an end but saying he sucks in coverage because he got beat (as a rookie) by a potential HOF TE is somewhat misleading, no?

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 10:50 AM
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That was just an example. Kevin Boss tagged him with a few as well, and I wouldn't call Boss a future HOF tight end. There towards the end of the season, Orakpo rarely dropped into coverage. The team realized his limitations. I'd be surprised if he didn't transition full to defensive end next season. I understand what Blache was trying to do with Orakpo: he wanted a hybrid that could essentially flex the defense from 4-3 to 5-2 based on what the offense was doing. I just don't see the next coach going for that, even if it is Gray, because Gray understands a thing or two about pass coverage.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I might be late on this but is there any news out yet on Mike Zimmer?

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | January 11, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney rule is here to stay. Sure there are owners/gm’s who have their minds made up and are only interviewing tokens to satisfy the rule, but the rule is still having a positive effect, just not in all cases. Wisenhunt or Grimm was a lock to get the Steelers job, but Tomlin wowed them and took over. Of course that team is owned/run by Dan Rooney……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 11, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I might be late on this but is there any news out yet on Mike Zimmer?

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | January 11, 2010 11:07 AM |

You will have to go to ESPN for that, or wait until JR gets the story from them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

F dallass

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And the Skins play at what time this weekend?

HATC!

Posted by: rlomax67 | January 11, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

And the Skins play at what time this weekend?

HATC!

Posted by: rlomax67 | January 11, 2010 11:11 AM |

What, your own blog thought you were to gay to participate? Go troll with your own. F Dallas and their fans (the majority of whom couldn't find Dallas on a map) and F rlomax67.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And Flacco is also more accurate...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

2009

Jason Campbell 64.5%

Joe Flacco 63.1%

and no Flacco does not take that many more shots down field than Campbell.

Again, my point is you don't need to find a Peyton, Brees, or Warner to win you games.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The team realized his limitations. I'd be surprised if he didn't transition full to defensive end next season.
Posted by: RedSkinHead

My, albeit limited, knowledge of linebacking tells me that one of the hardest things for many a LB to master is 'playing in space'. I don't know if that is one of those "you either have it or don't" kinda things but my recollection is that Orakpo was new to that last year. Whether he can develope into a flexible End/LB or not remains to be seen. You are correct that he was not able to do it this season well and they changed some things up as a result. But a coach always wants flexibility so I'm not sure that that experiment won't continue... A lot, I think, depends on the who they hire as DC and what their philosophy is. Personally, he looked pretty good to me as a DE so I would not mind him there full time.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins and Seahawks did appear to violate the spirit of the Rooney Rule. However, the spirit of the rule isn't enforceable.

Posted by: JohninMpls | January 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Flacco also has an extra 1.5 seconds to throw and al least 1 less defender in coverage. A good line and running game will do that for you.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

This is why the rule is stupid. What was Daniel Snyder supposed to do? Not form opinions as to who he wanted to coach his team?

You can't make rules that tell people how to think.

Posted by: Tank2 | January 11, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney Rule is Bogus

Like so many "feel-good" solutions to perceived problems, the "Rooney Rule" was contrived to raise one person over another solely on skin color. While decrying the perception that only white coaches were being hired, the resolution was to impose a race-based solution that has resulted in as many successful hires as it has disasters. So, to correct perceived race-based bias, a rule was imposed to institutionalize race-based solutions.

Any business run by intelligent people would never consider race as a deciding factor for choosing a road to success. Yes, simpletons and neanderthals still exist, but that thinking isn't confined to one race over another. That thinking is confined to idiots.

A business will always choose the best candidate it can find and it seems ludicrous that one should rebuke businesses who fail to consider certain candidates - as if those candidates ignored were the end all of success. As competitive as the NFL is now, if there is truly the "holy grail" of minority candidates out there, they'll be found and hired without any rule.

It is interesting that we don't apply race-based hiring standards upon players to ensure equal opportunity and population percentage matches. Nor should we. The marketplace should determine hires and fires, not "feel good" policies.

If owners like those of the Redskins and the Seahawks want to limit their selection to only a few candidates, that should be their prerogative. Let those owners sink or swim on their own blindness. If there are other owners with a desire to find a hidden jewel and willing to risk their hundreds of millions of dollars invested on such a risk, then so be it.

The NFL got what they deserved with this "Rooney Rule". The rule is a sham and a mockery of truly talented individuals and the owners, being businessmen, have found a way to skirt the obstacle to get the person they truly wanted anyway. In hindsight it is laughable to think that young Joe Gibbs or Tony Dungy were hired because of their skin color first. It would seem that whatever talent they had was apparent at first glance. Yet to implore owners to consider race first seems insulting to candidates who are there for the picking by owners truly interested in winning and not setting social policy.

Posted by: laserwizard | January 11, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

F dallass

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 11, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Losses to 5 0 win teams...

0 & 6 NFC East

4 and 12 Season Record

Dysfunctional Owner & Organization

Highest NFL payroll, Lowest Returns

125 mill for 2 players ( Hall and Painsworth )

The ongoing Joke of the NFL...

HATC!

Posted by: rlomax67 | January 11, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Let's jump off this Flacco Campbel discussion. Instead, let's discuss the hypothetical situation of no Campbell in 2010. Let's assume the team both lets Campbell go, and does not draft a QB (although maybe sign free agents). Who's your quarterback? Chad Pennington's available. Colt Brennan is the second coming of Kyle Orton. Todd Collins could return for another season. Unknown commodity Richard Bartel is on the roster...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

PaSkin..
Many of the personnel you mentioned were in place when Jason was going on an 0-5 W-L slide, his second year, until injured in 2007... Then an old creaky back up, who had not started an NFL game in 10 years, comes in, with the same exact personnel and goes 4-0 as NFL player of the month and a 106 QB Rating. Might of had a chance in Seattle but for Heyer playing matador to Kearney in his first NFL game.

After Gobbs had seen JC in meetings and game prep for 2 years, he knew he had made a mistake in convincing Dan to spend a 1st, 2nd and 4th on JC.. If Gibbs had seen the budding superstar that he told Snyder he was.... I am sure he would not of retired.. Instead he saw an old backup upstaging a very expensive acquisition recommended by a "GM playing" Gibbs. A backup that saved a little of Gibbs 2.0 legacy by getting the Skins into the playoffs...
"Family reasons" was a save face for him and Snyder..
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Remember JC had a good offensive line in his first 3 years and he still didn't produce, everyone is acting like this was JC first year and he had a bad o-line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

PASKINSFAN wrote:

That's funny, he's only played 3.5 years and the line has been bad for 1.5. So something is not right with your numbers. It seems like you are blaming him for not producing in his first 1.5 years when he was riding the bench.

In his 3.5 years he's had a line for the first 2 but he didn't have a #2 receiver for the first 1.5 of that 2.

In 2006 and 2007 all he had was moss, Randle El, and cooley. Teams were double teaming moss and cooley and letting Randle El try to beat us. Randle El and Moss were leading the league in drops for a while until Randle El got hurt. Then we tried Thrash but he was terrible. We had to pull guys off the street to fill that #2 WR position. Remember when we had Brandon Lloyd, Keenen MacCardell, and the guy from seat 53 section C?


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 11:03 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

How can Jerry Gray be considered for promotion when is defensive backs were continually exploited for HUGE gains this season? If he gets the job, then it's 100% proof that it's payback for doing the sham interview.

Posted by: tundey | January 11, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Keep an eye on this story folks. If the Court rules against the NFL we could see a vast improvement in Football video games and sportswear like how things were a few years back.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-01-11-court-nfl_N.htm

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Keep an eye on this story folks. If the Court rules against the NFL we could see a vast improvement in Football video games and sportswear like how things were a few years back.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-01-11-court-nfl_N.htm

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

why does my computer keep dubposting.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

His defensive backs were burned, in large part, because they're not very good and because Laron Landry is a friggin' sieve back there. Guy has to go.

Posted by: CDon | January 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney rule has always been a dopey rule to begin with... Times were changing long before the rule was put in place and besides sometimes an owner has a specific person in mind to coach his team.. That might mean some Black coaches will have no shot but also some White coaches will have no shot either. And I'm sure if Dungy ever wants to be a HC again.. some owner will want him and him only.. is that unfair to all other coaches??? This idea that all teams have to interview at least one Black coach is meaningless.. it just means some poor guy will end up doing a lot of flying around the country to satisfy some stupid rule...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think some of you have a really selective memory and I don't blame you. I've personally blocked out entire seasons of Redskins football. Anyways, the point is that the offense has needed an overhaul for the last decade and that is a far bigger problem then our mediocre QB. We fixed the receiving squad and now we need to fix the line and running back. After that we can afford to upgrade at QB. Upgrading at QB right now is the equivalent to getting a hangnail removed when you're dying of kidney failure. Sure it will help but it's not really going to save you.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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So worry about upgrading 10 players before you worry about upgrading your most important player on offense??? Is that what Dallas did upgrade the whole offense or did they sign Troy Aikman first and build a team around him??? Besides a good QB makes the team around him better.. The Vikings were good but Farve made a good divison winners Brees made a average offense in NO one of the best in the league. Warner did the same for the Cards... (Don't believe me watch the Cards when Warner isn't the QB). And there is example afer example besides them... Your idea of keeping a mediocre QB and making him better but replacing 10 guys is the hard way.. replace ONE mediocre QB making the 10 other guys better...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for diversity and Dan Snyder bashing, but people have to quit whining.

It's just a fact of business.

Everyone reading this - at one one point or another - has applied for a posted job while having no shot in hell of getting the job.

That's because the hirer has already had someone in mind and just held other interviews to satisfy legal requirements.

It's not fair per se, but it's not racist and it is the hirer's prerogetive.....

Posted by: CF11555 | January 11, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The commish. said that the Redskins did everything that they were supposed to do and he OK`ed the move so lets move on from the subject! Tony Dungy needs to shut the hell up and pick on some other team! Just like the idiots that want the REDSKINS to change the name! The courts have had their say on the matter so lets just move on!! Give this team a break and let it go! GEESH! Focus on FOOTBALL man!! C`MON!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 11, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need LINEMEN!! A fact is a fact! Joe Thiesman, Doug Williams and Mark Rippen were not great QB`s but they had the Hogs in front of them and they won Superbowls! A fact is a fact! The Redskins need LINEMEN FIRST! BTW F-Dallas and I hope and pray that they get beat by the Vikings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 11, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

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