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Baldwin Replaces Gatewood on Practice Squad

The Redskins have signed linebacker Johnny Baldwin to their practice squad, replacing linebacker Curtis Gatewood.

Baldwin, who is 6-1, 230 pounds, played in three games and was inactive for four last year with the Kansas City Chiefs, who had claimed him off waivers from Detroit. He was a fifth-round draft choice (158th overall) by the Lions in 2007.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 24, 2008; 12:48 PM ET
 
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sweaty chode

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

So what is the point of releasing one guy nobody knows for a guy that nobody knows? Never have understood that one. Was the guy injured? Is this guy that much better? Oh, and if he cant help the Chiefs D, What the hell do we want with him?

Posted by: skinsand88fan | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

+++In this case it was transparently silly, but Jasno's intent was malicious, and I think Vinny's anger is well placed. What Jasno did was pretty low.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM+++

In libel law, a public figure like Vinny would have to prove maliciousness to win a case. He can't. Asking a question about potential or actual illegal activity still isn't illegal in America, despite the best efforts of many to make it so.

JLC is a reporter. Reporters, back in the day, were banned in places that didnt' admit actors or dog either. Reporters wore that like a badge of honor. The good ones (and the bad ones with good qualities) still do.

A reporters credo is "to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." What area do you think Cerrato fits? What area do Redskin fans fit?

I think JLC cares more about the franchise than the FO and ownership. It's like the Presidency. You dont' hate the White House just because you think Bush is a horrific President.

Someone here mentioned the picks Bill Polian had drafted. Trust me, if Vinny had drafted even a THIRD as well, he'd be loved, not loathed by many Redskins fans who feel he and Snyder are screwing up the team.

And JLC would be singing a different tune, or out of work, or falling on deaf ears. So, Snyder and Vinny's recourse isn't trying to get the guy fired, it's trying to build a decent team.

I wonder if the thought has occured to them?

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope all the people bashing or defending JLC go home to find their wives in bed with a younger, more attractive, slimmer man this evening.

That'll serve you pathetic, fat, low-life losers.

Boo-Yah-Kasha!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

+++The Redskins have signed linebacker Johnny Baldwin to their practice squad, replacing linebacker Curtis Gatewood."---JASNO+++

I think this move might just be the key the the Redskins Season.

Out here in Hollywood Johnny's rep is that he's a better actor than Daniel or Billy, but not nearly so gifted as multiple Emmy-award winner Alec.

Others say he's to the Baldwin clan what Gummo was to the Marx Brothers.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

As for Journalistic integrity, gimme a break. Journalists are paid to ask the questions that JLa asked the league. How? Why? When? it all came about is irrelevant.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM

You pathetic JLC clone, journalists are not paid to ask questions like JLa asked the league. If you really believe the purpose of JLC's call was simply to get clarification on the tampering rule in general, then I'm ashamed to have you as a Redskins fan. You really think this know-it-all hadn't looked up the rule at any point in his career as a beat reporter?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM

Ok I'm ITA after this but it needs to be responded to. Dude I know exactly why he did it. He did it to bust Vinny. So? What does JLa owe you me or any other Skins fan you half-wit? Tell me what he did wrong? Journalists ask questions to stir controversy all the time. ALL OF THEM. He inquired about the possibility of the GM of the Skins commenting on coaches under contract.

Go be swayed by the Skins smear campaign. Fall for Larry Michaels' spin. I just got done commenting about how I was embarrassed that he though anyone would be dumb enough to fall for it but obviously I gave you too much credit you nasty little git.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT, SEE, SEE, I'VE COPIED AND PASTED IT RIGHT THERE, I'M RIGHT, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT, PLEASE JOIN ME IN PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK!!! HOORAY FOR ME, I'M RIGHT AGAIN. I'M THE BEST AT SECOND GUESSING SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, HOORAY ME!!!

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

FIRE HIM

Posted by: FIRE JLC | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

AND IT IS DOWNRIGHT IDIOTIC EVERY TIME ANY OF YOU JUDGE THE JOB OF AN NFL GM, AND BEAT REPORTER. UNLESS YOU EITHER HAVE TRAINING OR HAVE DONE THAT JOB.

Posted by: REALISTICALLY | September 24, 2008 12:51 PM

Untrue. Just because someone doesn't have complete on-the-job training doesn't mean they can't determine whether another individual is producing desired or expected results. I didn't need to be a Safety to know that Adam Archuleta wasn't performing properly as our safety, and I didn't need to be a GM to realize that Matt Millen was failing at producing a winning team.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I found the coolest place for tickets http://www.greatatlantictravel.com/nfl/redskins-tickets.asp

Taylor will be back in 2 games but he is getting old I dont think he will play the whole rest of the year without an injury.

Posted by: Jake Tiels | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Part III - The Future Is Now!

Prominent Washington lawyer Edward Bennett Williams assumed management control of the Redskins in 1968. He, along with fellow board member Jack Kent Cooke, exerted more control over the Redskins in 1962 when they pushed owner George Preston Marshall to acquiece to the government's demand to integrate the team. Cooke and Williams felt that Marshall was on the wrong side of the issue, both because of the threatened eviction from government-owned DC (later RFK) Stadium, and because the Skins were fielding a less competitive team without Negro talent.

After watching Tom Landry's success in Dallas, Williams pushed for an upgrade in coaching and achieved spectacular success when he lured Vince Lombardi out of retirement to coach the Skins. The Redskins were a competitive 7-5-2 in 1969, their first winning season in 14 years. The shock of Lombardi's untimely death in 1970 numbed the franchise almost as much as it did the Green Bay Packers.

When Los Angeles Rams coach George Allen became available in 1971, Williams jumped at the chance to bring him to Washington. Allen amassed a 49-16-4 record in five years with the Rams.
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"I gave Coach Allen an unlimited budget and he exceeded it." -- Edward Bennett Williams

Over The Hill. Allen believed in veteran players and traded draft choices to get them, especially for players he had a relationship with, like Jack Pardee, Ron McDole, and Verlon Biggs. He was heavily criticized for signing aging "has beens" to big contracts. Orthodox philosophy was to build through the draft for the future. Allen countered that you never knew how a rookie would turn out. A high prospect player could get injured. Young players make mistakes. He wanted proven talent. He wanted immediate results. "The future is now" he famously said.

The results were immediate. The Redskins became periennial contenders through the '70s. Allen went 67-30 in his stay with Washington. The league was shocked that a group of "has beens" could be so successful. Pundits referred to Allens' crew as "The over the hill gang" named for a popular made-for-TV movie of the same name. That story, starring Walter Brennan, was about a group of broken down, retired Texas Rangers who brought law and order to the West.

America's Team. Ironic that the 1970s Redskins would be identified with TV Texas Rangers. The Dallas Cowboys emerged as "America's Team" and the road to the playoffs went through Dallas. Allen used that to motivate his team. To Allen, it was not enough just to beat Dallas, the Redskins had to beat Dallas' record. Every game to him was a Dallas game. Every loss was a killer.
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"Every time you lose, you die a little. Not all of your organs, but a portion of you; maybe just your liver." -- George Allen
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Everyone can see. There was a second influence that brought the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry to prominance and it was huge. NFL Commissioner Pete Rozell worked tirelessly to promote the league and by 1970 had signed national TV contracts with the networks that brought huge audiences to the game. The contract also launched Monday Night Football.

Television is all drama and stars. For drama, the networks wanted games that influenced the playoff race and it wanted identifiable rivalries. And recognizable personalities. There was eccentric, secretive, highly competitive George Allen developing a legitimate challenger to America's Team. TV maximized rivalries. Oakland vs. Kansas City (actually, John Madden's Oakland vs. anybody) and Minnesota vs. Green Bay held appeal. But Washington vs. Dallas could feed the TV beast with Allen vs. Landry, Over The Hill Gang vs. Doomsday Defense, Stauback vs. Kilmer/Jurgensen, Drew Pearson vs. Charley Taylor and an early touch of Red vs. Blue -- another irony given the Redskins history under Marshall.

The rivalry was already intense to Redskins and Cowboys followers. National TV made it famous. As the national audience tuned in to the intensity, there was Allen who was making the games meaningful to the post-season. Allen is forever tied to "making" the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry.

Redskins and Cowboys. The Redskins did not disappoint. They stunned the Cowboys 21-16 in the first meeting in 1971 and were greeted by 10,000 delerious fans who welcomed tham home at the airport. Landry won the rematch 13-0 enroute to Super Bowl VI.

The highpoint of Allen's tenure in Washington was the 1972 team that was 11-3 and got as far as Super Bowl VII. The Cowboys were off to a 20-7 lead in the game at RFK when the Redskins pulled out a 24-20 win. It was the first time anyone was aware that the stadium could be made to shake. Dallas won the rematch in Dallas 34-24, but both teams made the playoffs, Washington as division champs.

That set up one of the most famous events in Redskins lore, the 1972 conference championship game. Washington held home field advantage and the Over The Hill Gang held Dallas to 73 passing yards. Charlie Taylor caught two touchdown passes from Billy Kilmer. With Curt Knight's four field goals, the Redskins crushed the Cowboys 26-3.

The Skins under Allen were always a playoff calibre team, but never made it all the way back after '72. (Among the NFC East contenders was Don Coryell's St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals took the division in 1974 and '75. Coryell had on his staff a promising young offensive coordinator named Joe Gibbs. For more of Gibbs' story, look here.)

The Over The Hill Gang had several memorable games with the Cowboys. Ken Houston's mano~a~mano stop of Walt Garrison at the one yard line on a Monday Night game comes to mind. We don't speak of the Clint Longley game around here. By 1977, the Gang really was showing the effects of age and were swept by the hated rivals.

Allen left the Redskins to return to the Rams for what he thought was a better deal. He would call that a mistake. But his effect on the Redskins survived his departure. Jack Pardee and Richie Pettibone, both Allen disciples, coached the George Allen defense into the 1990s. Then, ex-Cowboys offensive coordinator Norv Turner came along and changed everything.

Damned Cowboys !!!


Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Careful Skinz you are getting dangerously close to last years Skinz. ITA

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The top of the Week 4 ESPN.com NFL power rankings is an exclusive neighborhood. It helps to have an NFC East address.

The Dallas Cowboys lead the pack for the third consecutive week, but suddenly they're crowded by familiar foes. The New York Giants -- who, despite their reigning Super Bowl champion status, usually have occupied a mid-top-10 slot in our rankings -- are No. 2. And despite suffering a Sept. 15 loss to the Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles are elbowing their NFC East brethren for the spotlight at No. 3.

The only NFC East team not among the top 5 is the Washington Redskins, who register at No. 15 this week.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Sep/24/j-taylor-surgery-saved-career/

This post paints a very different picture then JLC painted. When Taylor was talking, he wasn't refering that he would DIE, but that his Football carrer would be DONE.

Read and let me know what you think.....

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | September 24, 2008 12:59 PM


Go and read this and Read the previous post. The times painted it a little different, less dramatic vs. how the Post did.....

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

FIRE HIM

Posted by: FIRE JLC | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM

I'll fire off a bunch of "rounds" on your wifes stomach, or her backside, or maybe both.

Posted by: "Shooter" | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What is going on? Here I log on to Redskins Insider and all I read about is hatred against a beat writer, the owner, VC, political crap, when I’d like to talk some smack and see some insight. But it is clear that 90% of you are morons, and none of you jerks could do their jobs.
Dallas Cowboys: Better quarterback, better OL, better DL, better running backs, better front seven, 3-4 defense, better special team, secondary a wash, but does not matter since: see above.
Dallas 35, Skinned 16

Posted by: Dallas Number One | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Elfin it was edited long time ago to "done" not "die'

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Dallas Cowboys: Better quarterback, better OL, better DL, better running backs, better front seven, 3-4 defense, better special team, secondary a wash, but does not matter since: see above.
Dallas 35, Skinned 16


Posted by: Dallas Number One | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM

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Here's hoping a tornado rips through your double-wide trailor. Cowgirls will be too busy watching or acting out Brokeback Mountain to beat the 'Skins.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The Skins played well vs Dallas last year. We came close in the first game (had a chance to take the lead inside 2 minutes) and whupped them in the second game ... with the same players.

Do the players think we can beat Dallas? Of course, because they proved it on the field last year.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

What is going on? Here I log on to Redskins Insider and all I read about is hatred against a beat writer, the owner, VC, political crap, when I’d like to talk some smack and see some insight. But it is clear that 90% of you are morons, and none of you jerks could do their jobs.
Dallas Cowboys: Better quarterback, better OL, better DL, better running backs, better front seven, 3-4 defense, better special team, secondary a wash, but does not matter since: see above.
Dallas 35, Skinned 16


Posted by: Dallas Number One | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM

Win a playoff game and don't lose to us when you're supposed to be "the cream of the NFC" then come talk smack. Secondary a wash? Yours is horrible. A fake probowl safety. Better running backs? One is very good, the others, rookie-unproven, who else do you have? Your quarterback is a choker. Win something worthwhile then say your quarterback is better.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, If the FO had done anything resembling a competent job assembling and utilizing talent that was productive and affordable we wouldn't be having such discussions. As it is, it took way too long for the Snyder/Vinny alliance to accept the SOP for rebuilding a successful franchise. They sure know how to make money, however the product they have offered us, the fans, has been mediocre for years.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM

riggins,

Name me some owners who have had success out of the gate, how long have the owners of the 6 teams that have never been to a superbowl owned there teams?

How long did it take JKC to get the Redskins a championship?

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

But it is clear that 90% of you are morons, and none of you jerks could do their jobs.

Posted by: Dallas Number One | September 24, 2008 1:04 PM


As opposed to your wifes job of dancing for dollars infront of toothless, redneck hillbillies while they chew their tobacco.

Or is that your mom? Wait, I think it's both.

Posted by: Bringing The Truth | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT, SEE, SEE, I'VE COPIED AND PASTED IT RIGHT THERE, I'M RIGHT, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT, PLEASE JOIN ME IN PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK!!! HOORAY FOR ME, I'M RIGHT AGAIN. I'M THE BEST AT SECOND GUESSING SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, HOORAY ME!!!

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM
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Are you there God? Its me, Kornheiser.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

To Anon with the long post at 12:23 p.m. on the Taylor post

You asked about justification for JLC's call to the League. I believe The Post's response reasonably summed it up. Giving a more detailed explanation would have essentially been a journalism 101 course. A beat reporter like Jason has to (1) report breaking news or news, i.e., new information preferably before the competition; (2) write feature articles; and (3) enterprise articles, i.e., pieces where he has to go out and find news that is not apparent on its face. You do that by asking questions. Sometimes enterprise reporting leads to nothing, sometimes it leads to something, and sometimes it may serve as background for something later. In this case, JLC was asking could a GM who has a radio show run the risk of being charged with tampering. He used the Kiffin situation as a for instance.

Before criticizing JLC, you should look at the whole context. The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissably induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL. It's easy to see how a GM who is taking phone calls from fans and answering their questions can run afoul of this rule. For example, Fan calls and asks about another team's player who is in the final year of his contract. If Vinny answers in such a way that indicates the Redskins have an interest in that player, a need for a "player like that" or has interest in filling the position that player plays he could be charged with tampering. JLC isn't perfect but this really shouldn't cause so much handwringing and JLC gains nothing by responding.

Bottomline: This is a Vinny Cerrato created issue. This is news because he made it news when he didn't have to. He, intentionally or unintentionally, spun it as if JLC accused the Skins of tampering. He knew there was no chance of the Skins being punished but kept harping about how the Skins could have been damaged. All of his fake indignation is hilarious. He is getting just what he wanted - fans not trusting what the beat writer reports. Ask yourself this: Where are Vinny's complaints about all of the stories JLC has actually written about the team.


Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

riggins, do us all a favor and find another team to follow you in-bred. There are 31 other teams that you can pretend to be a fan of, get going.....

Posted by: Sick of the Whining | September 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Name me some owners who have had success out of the gate, how long have the owners of the 6 teams that have never been to a superbowl owned there teams?

How long did it take JKC to get the Redskins a championship?

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM

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Peter Angelos is a better owner. Oh wait, today is opposite day right?

Posted by: A Better Owner | September 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm secretly a Muslim terrorist and am best friends with Osama Bin Laden (who by the way still hasn't been formally charged with orchestrating 9/11 because of lack of evidence).

Posted by: Barack HUSSEIN Obama | September 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

My above post should have been addressed to Gary Clark rather than Anon

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How long did it take JKC to get the Redskins a championship?

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM
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I do not concern myself with other owners as I am a hardcore Redskins fan. I think that the FO deserves the criticism that they haven't tried to build a team but to buy a championship. My opinion is that just because one may be prolific at making money it does not make them a leader of men. An owner doesn't necessarily need to possess this attribute but the GM (or whatever Vinny is purported to be) and the Head Coach must have not only a passion and a mind for the game of football, but they must be someone that other men look to to bring them through adversity.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Cyn;

My glog was submitted to JLA (if you didnt see this post on the last thread)

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Bottomline: This is a Vinny Cerrato created issue. This is news because he made it news when he didn't have to. He, intentionally or unintentionally, spun it as if JLC accused the Skins of tampering. He knew there was no chance of the Skins being punished but kept harping about how the Skins could have been damaged. All of his fake indignation is hilarious. He is getting just what he wanted - fans not trusting what the beat writer reports. Ask yourself this: Where are Vinny's complaints about all of the stories JLC has actually written about the team.

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM


Well said LH!

Posted by: k Squared | September 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"I can accept to a limited degree your statement about McCain even though he is selling his soul to win the election. But sometimes you gotta break some hearts to get ahead or a prettier, richer wife. But please enlighten me about those aspects of Palin's record that support the above assertion?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM"

LH,

I don't think you could make the argument that her record is side by side McCain's, but she has raised the red flag on corrupt republicans in Alaska having some removed from office, cut taxes, basically did what the people of Alaska have wanted... If you listened to her speech at the RNC , she noted several things that she challeneged and changed upon being elected Governor. She didn't just walk-in and accept things as Status-quo and roll along with everyhthing because her partisan officials did it this way or think it should be done a certain way... She certainly gives the impression based on her comments and previous actions that she will cut through the political BS and partisan non-sense. She clearly wouldn't be going to DC with much popularity and support from the media and politicians, but seemse completely unphased and focused on what needs to happen.

Her approval rating should certainly speak for itself!

I found Charles Gibson's ABC interview to be very negative and condescending in the way he posed his questions and tried to really nail her on certain topics. Regardless, I thought she did very well in light of his obvious bias...

You would certainly never see him interview Obama or Biden in that manner...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Peter Angelos is a better owner. Oh wait, today is opposite day right?

Posted by: A Better Owner | September 24, 2008 1:12 PM

Got me laughing

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Peter Angelos is a better owner. Oh wait, today is opposite day right?

Posted by: A Better Owner | September 24, 2008 1:12 PM

Got me laughing

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

A linebacker who couldn't play for the Chiefs or Lions? Sheesh what's the point.

On a more positive note, trouble with the G-men:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601112/Plax-suspended-for-skipping-practice,-ignoring-calls

Now if only TO could start to melt down on Sunday.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"I think that the FO deserves the criticism that they haven't tried to build a team but to buy a championship"

Its 2008, not 2000. They've demonstrated fiscal responsibility and have 10 draft picks on the roster. How is that trying to BUY a championship?

"they must be someone that other men look to to bring them through adversity"

Not the owners job, thats the coach's job.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is purported to be) and the Head Coach must have not only a passion and a mind for the game of football, but they must be someone that other men look to to bring them through adversity.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM

Do you even know who JKC is, also are you saying Zorn is not a good coach because he has done pretty good so far.

Are you also saying that joe Gibbs is not a good coach because it was Snyder who hired him back.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"It's almost like the liberals who pretend that the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac CEO is not tied to the Osama campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 10:45 PM"

You were saying?

Freddie Mac Paid McCain Campaign Manager's Firm Through last Month

Two reports tonight, one from the New York Times, and the other from Newsweek, contradict John McCain's statement this week that his campaign manager Rick Davis had no involvement with mortgage giant Freddie Mac for the last several years. The Times reports:

One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis's firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said...


...On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis's role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager "has had nothing to do with it since, and I'll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it."

Newsweek confirms the story:

Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end 2005, when that group was dissolved. That relationship was the subject of a New York Times story Monday, which drew angry denunciations from the McCain campaign.

McCain and his aides have vehemently objected to suggestions that Davis has ties to Freddie Mac-an especially sensitive issue given that the Republican presidential candidate has blamed "the lobbyists, politicians and bureaucrats" for the mortgage crisis that recently prompted the Bush administration to take over both Freddie Mac and its companion, Fannie Mae, and put it under federal conservatorship.


But neither the Times story -- nor the McCain campaign -- revealed that Davis's firm, the Washington, D.C. based lobbying firm Davis Manafort, continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month-long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated. The two sources, who requested anonymity discussing sensitive information, told Newsweek that Davis himself approached Freddie Mac in 2006 and asked for a new consulting arrangement that would allow his firm to continue to be paid. The arrangement was approved by Hollis McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's vice president for external relations, because "he [Davis] was John McCain's campaign manager and it was felt you couldn't say no," said one of the sources. [McLoughlin did not return phone calls].

Posted by: Anti-Swiftboat Redskin Fans for Answering Idjits | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Untrue. Just because someone doesn't have complete on-the-job training doesn't mean they can't determine whether another individual is producing desired or expected results. I didn't need to be a Safety to know that Adam Archuleta wasn't performing properly as our safety, and I didn't need to be a GM to realize that Matt Millen was failing at producing a winning team.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM
Wow, your dense. You just supported my point. Both those men were given opportunities to do the job. So you can judge the RESULTS. As I said about JLC, he said at the beginning of the season, its Vinny's show NOW. So lets see how he does with the title. And, currently he is 2-1. Next two weeks could certainly be difficult. PSP, my frustration is, you are so ready to be negative about the team, you cant even look at a supportive post for the team and agree. Again, are you a fan of JLC or the Skins, I would think your frustrations for Dan and Vin should not out weigh your loyalty. I am more of whatever for both, focus on the team we have, pull for em. GO SKINS!

Posted by: Realistically | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"they must be someone that other men look to to bring them through adversity"

Not the owners job, thats the coach's job.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM
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Re-read the post and you will see that that is what I said.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

Larry Michael Backs Skins VP In Post Dispute - 9/24 - Washington Redskins radio "voice" Larry Michael sides with Skins VP Vinny Cerrato on a dispute Cerrato had on his new ESPN 980 radio show with Washington Post sports reporter and blogger Jason LaCanfora. More at the Sports Bog at washingtonpost.com.....


The village idiot has sided with Vinny!

Posted by: GAD | September 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"I think that the FO deserves the criticism that they haven't tried to build a team but to buy a championship"

Its 2008, not 2000. They've demonstrated fiscal responsibility and have 10 draft picks on the roster. How is that trying to BUY a championship?

"they must be someone that other men look to to bring them through adversity"

Not the owners job, thats the coach's job.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM

You forgot about Snyder trying to trade away 2 number one draft picks for Chad Johnson. What's changed?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Do you even know who JKC is, also are you saying Zorn is not a good coach because he has done pretty good so far.

Are you also saying that joe Gibbs is not a good coach because it was Snyder who hired him back.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM
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1. Yes
2. Gibbs is the reason we can now have hope.
3. I like what I have seen from Zorn thus far.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Cyn;

My glog was submitted to JLA (if you didnt see this post on the last thread)

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:17 PM

Get over it

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

ALL this is about vinny getting jasno back for the punter article. rember that was a jasno/wapo exclusive story. no one in this town had that story except for jasno. this is vinny trying to get back at jasno.

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You forgot about Snyder trying to trade away 2 number one draft picks for Chad Johnson. What's changed?

Did the trade happen?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I went thru all the girlz drives so far this season and looked at ones that didn't get TDs. Then I looked at the major reason it ended. Here's what I came up with. I excluded kneel down / clock killing with a big lead.

couldn't get 1st: 5
penalty: 4
pick: 3
Fumble: 2
sack: 2

16 total stops. But only 5 are the classic 'couldn't gain 10 yards in 3 plays' sort.

5 were turnovers.

I broke out sacks separately. One of the penalties was a intentional grounding, so that could have been in the sack category.

From this, its pretty clear that forcing errors is the key.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I found Charles Gibson's ABC interview to be very negative and condescending in the way he posed his questions and tried to really nail her on certain topics. Regardless, I thought she did very well in light of his obvious bias...

You would certainly never see him interview Obama or Biden in that manner...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM

Charles Gibson, is a cream puff and was hand picked by the Mccain team because they new he would not ask hard questions.

Just like her second interview with that Republican tool Hannity, who had told her every question before the interview so she could have the questions anwsered for her.

She is a vice presidential candidate and is being kept from the public and for anyone to not think that is McCain being scared of her stupidity, then by all means you are to stupid to live in this country.

Posted by: F-Palin | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse


As for Journalistic integrity, gimme a break. Journalists are paid to ask the questions that JLa asked the league. How? Why? When? it all came about is irrelevant.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM

You pathetic JLC clone, journalists are not paid to ask questions like JLa asked the league. If you really believe the purpose of JLC's call was simply to get clarification on the tampering rule in general, then I'm ashamed to have you as a Redskins fan. You really think this know-it-all hadn't looked up the rule at any point in his career as a beat reporter?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM

Ok I'm ITA after this but it needs to be responded to. Dude I know exactly why he did it. He did it to bust Vinny. So? What does JLa owe you me or any other Skins fan you half-wit? Tell me what he did wrong? Journalists ask questions to stir controversy all the time. ALL OF THEM. He inquired about the possibility of the GM of the Skins commenting on coaches under contract.

Go be swayed by the Skins smear campaign. Fall for Larry Michaels' spin. I just got done commenting about how I was embarrassed that he though anyone would be dumb enough to fall for it but obviously I gave you too much credit you nasty little git.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:59 PM



You're serious? Well, let me spell it out for you because you certainly appear to just not be getting it. He owes objectivity to his readers, not a constant negative slant based on a personal grudge because Vinny and Danny hurt his feelings years ago. On the other hand, WE as fans don't owe HIM anything either. As a matter of fact, as a fan of the team he has now overtly tried to sabotage, I fell as though I owe him a b!tchslap (see Ari Gold vs. Adam Davies for reference)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

EinVB, I guess you can be VP too because like Palin you know how to stick to the talking points. In all seriousness, partisan politics aside, you would be comfortable with her as POTUS?

I'll let you have the last word.

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

who can i write to get larry michaels fired?

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If we traded for Ocho Cinco, man that would have been a disaster.
On Mike and Mike this morning, Eric Esillias(?) advocated the teammates of Plaxico Burress jacking him up to get him in line. Thoughts? This happened frequently on the old Raiders teams and I seem to remember Dan (can't remember his last name long snapper for skins) admitting he took part in such activities.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse


+++LOOK AT ME, I WAS RIGHT, SEE, SEE, I'VE COPIED AND PASTED IT RIGHT THERE, I'M RIGHT, I'M ALWAYS RIGHT, PLEASE JOIN ME IN PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK!!! HOORAY FOR ME, I'M RIGHT AGAIN. I'M THE BEST AT SECOND GUESSING SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, HOORAY ME!!!

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM+++
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Are you there God? Its me, Kornheiser.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM


Hey Riggo... I did't post that. The give away is I KNOW how to operate the "Caps Unlock" key. Nice to get the ultimate RI honor of someone fake-posting under my screenname.

I LOVE the smell of Shadenfreude in the Morning...

Posted by: Corkczar, For Real | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

LH- Defend the call as you will, I think it is clear to everyone, even Jason supporters, what the motive was for the call and the result he had hoped for. What would you say in response to the rest of my post, more specifically to how Jason seems to be contradicting himself in his criticism of the FO, i.e. they should be more accountable, accessible, honest with the media, out front to address issues, etc., then criticizing the radio show as not part of Vinny's job, and incorrectly claiming such a show was unprecedented?

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anon;

Eat me

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

You forgot about Snyder trying to trade away 2 number one draft picks for Chad Johnson. What's changed?

Did the trade happen?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM

No. But we have Cincy, not Danny to thank for that. And how much cash would he have thrown at Chad to keep him happy? Danny's still addicted to shiny things, like Chad's teeth...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Riggo... I did't post that. The give away is I KNOW how to operate the "Caps Unlock" key. Nice to get the ultimate RI honor of someone fake-posting under my screenname.

I LOVE the smell of Shadenfreude in the Morning...

Posted by: Corkczar, For Real | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM


Funny, my key says "Caps Lock"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark, do you read before you post?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

who can i write to get larry michaels fired?

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:31 PM

Try calling the NFL league office and charge him with being an accomplice in Vinny's heinous tampering efforts.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I found Charles Gibson's ABC interview to be very negative and condescending in the way he posed his questions and tried to really nail her on certain topics. Regardless, I thought she did very well in light of his obvious bias...

You would certainly never see him interview Obama or Biden in that manner...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:20 PM

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Thanks for the laugh toolbag. Go back to cleaning your guns, sleeping with your cousins, and blowing up abortion clinics.

Posted by: Laughing to Death | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Anon - 1

Corky - pompous ass

Posted by: Judge Dredd | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Gibson acted as if he was the high school principal calling Palin in on the carpet. His attitude and demeanor was unprofessional and disrespectful. He wouldn't have pulled that sort of stunt interviewing a male candidate.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

seriously haven't we all, AS AMERICANS, learned anything about fear mongerers?? anything? and what larry michaels is doing is exactly that.

"just 2 ounces of this WMD here can destroy a whole city!" "OMG!" "we could've lost our draft picks!" "OMG! they're going to come and confiscate our belove team!" "OMG we're going to suck for another 15 years!"

really? you guys don't see the similarities?

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark that's why Art Monk is in the HOF and you're not. Moron

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"No. But we have Cincy, not Danny to thank for that. And how much cash would he have thrown at Chad to keep him happy? Danny's still addicted to shiny things, like Chad's teeth..."

Oh, so you wanted to talk about fantasy stuff?? Being that it NEVER happened, and we NEVER signed him to a contract, that makes your point kind of MOOT...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

really? you guys don't see the similarities?

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM
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Of course not, because most of the American public are dumb as rocks.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark, do you read before you post?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:34 PM

Read what? The only real reponse I have seen is from LH, and I have responded directly to him. I'm surprised all of the pro-JLC posters besides LH have nothing to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Of course not, because most of the American public are dumb as rocks.

And I am their leader.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 1:39 PM

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Being a moron does not keep a player from going into the Hall of Fame

Posted by: Michael Irvin | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Gibson acted as if he was the high school principal calling Palin in on the carpet. His attitude and demeanor was unprofessional and disrespectful. He wouldn't have pulled that sort of stunt interviewing a male candidate.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM

Ah poor palin she had to do an interview and the guy was hard on her, she is only a heart beat away from being president, she should not have to talk to the media, we should just take everything McCain says about her as truth and elect them.

Biden 54 interviews since being annouced

Palin 2 very well scripted interviews Gibson is by no means a cut throat journalist, if she can not handle him Biden is going to eat her alive.

Posted by: McCain=Pain for the average american | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry, the 1:40 post is mine

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry, the 1:40 posts are both mine

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

would he have thrown at Chad to keep him happy? Danny's still addicted to shiny things, like Chad's teeth..."

Oh, so you wanted to talk about fantasy stuff?? Being that it NEVER happened, and we NEVER signed him to a contract, that makes your point kind of MOOT...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:38 PM

No. Danny's efforts to do really, really stupid stuff that can only damage the team continuing from 2000 through 2008 is my point.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, I hate to break this news to you, but there is a creepy old dude who had success right out of the gate as an NFL owner... I think he won Super Bowls after his third, fourth and sixth seasons owning the team... and we're playing his team this Sunday.

Yeah, these are different times than those, many plastic surgeries ago, but the fact remains that he hoisted the Lombardi thrice... shriveled old d-bag...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow, your dense. You just supported my point. Both those men were given opportunities to do the job. So you can judge the RESULTS. As I said about JLC, he said at the beginning of the season, its Vinny's show NOW. So lets see how he does with the title. And, currently he is 2-1. Next two weeks could certainly be difficult. PSP, my frustration is, you are so ready to be negative about the team, you cant even look at a supportive post for the team and agree. Again, are you a fan of JLC or the Skins, I would think your frustrations for Dan and Vin should not out weigh your loyalty. I am more of whatever for both, focus on the team we have, pull for em. GO SKINS!

Posted by: Realistically | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM

Um, no, I'm not negative about the team. You should probably become familiar with whomever you're accusing of being "dense" before you actually do so.

Vinny already has a body of work under him. He's been a major part of this franchise for 8 year (I think), maybe longer. His body of work is unsatisfactory. Therefore, he hasn't earned leeway when it comes to me judging his results. And when I see and hear him on a radio show that has nothing to do with being a GM, I get the sense that he's not doing everything he can to improve himself and this team. Just my opinion.

As for the team itself, I have nothing but love for them. They get nothing but my support, and I truly think they have a shot to go deep this year. If you've been on this blog before, I've mercilessly defended many "controversial" areas of the team, so please refrain from insults if you're not informed.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

and about the girls...lisa is absolutely right again. it's not about TO or romo. it's about barber and felix jones. you stop the run and skins have a chance.

and did you guys know that romo is hispanic? i had no clue. i'm no good with last names' backgrounds...

anyways...we stop the run and romo will guarantee us a victory.

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: McCain=Pain for the average american | September 24, 2008 1:40 PM

Just who is the "average" american these days? Given that the polls are split nearly 50/50, is there an average american?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, I hate to break this news to you, but there is a creepy old dude who had success right out of the gate as an NFL owner... I think he won Super Bowls after his third, fourth and sixth seasons owning the team... and we're playing his team this Sunday.

Yeah, these are different times than those, many plastic surgeries ago, but the fact remains that he hoisted the Lombardi thrice... shriveled old d-bag...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM

Nate I did not say it has never happened I am just saying it is not the norm.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

GClark with the ol' "When I want your opinion I'll give to you."

You asked for an argument justifying JLC's call to the league office. I offered my view without name calling. Contrary to your assertion, it obviously is not "clear to everyone... what the motive was for the call and the result he had hoped for." Your pitbull-like hold on this issue has me thinking you have some vested interest. Your point of view on the subject is painfully obvious to all. Can you let it go already?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with hard-hitting questions, but I don't think Gibson should be condescending and paternal-like to anyone who is not his own child.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Zeke: get Boldin!!!!
Zeke: stay away from Ocho Cinco

and ...
Boldin: 17 for 247yds and 4TDs
Ocho Cinco: 8 for 88 yds and zippo

Zeke give himself another pat on the back without pulling a hammy.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Hi it's me Jerruh. I have to go into the surgeons office for uhh...non-elective surgery soon but just wanted to stop in and confirm that Danny is indeed a chooch. Vinny is a nice guy but dumb and I've never met Larry Michaels because he's always tied to a post under Danny's desk.

Posted by: Jerruh Jones | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Just who is the "average" american these days? Given that the polls are split nearly 50/50, is there an average american?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM

Not any more check the latest Post/ABC poll, Obama has taken a huge jump, thanks to the republicans F-ing up the economy so bad.

Posted by: McCain=4 more years of Bush | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Practice Update
Barry Svrluga reports that Mike Sellers is not practicing today because of a thigh bruise. Nor is Stephon Heyer, who has a shoulder injury, practicing.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

LH- Defend the call as you will, I think it is clear to everyone, even Jason supporters, what the motive was for the call and the result he had hoped for.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM

The motive for the call was to see if he had a story that he could break, or news to report. You know, his job. Of course, his hunch was wrong, so he wrote nothing, said nothing, posted nothing, and reported nothing. But of course, to you, this is somehow "wrong".

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Just who is the "average" american these days? Given that the polls are split nearly 50/50, is there an average american?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:42 PM

Not any more check the latest Post/ABC poll, Obama has taken a huge jump, thanks to the republicans F-ing up the economy so bad.

Posted by: McCain=4 more years of Bush | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM

That "huge leap" doesn't even get him to 50%. Again, who is the "average" american?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Not any more check the latest Post/ABC poll, Obama has taken a huge jump, thanks to the republicans F-ing up the economy so bad.

Posted by: McCain=4 more years of Bush | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM

Now there is the dumbest statement I have ever heard.

Please tell me, specifically, which republicans messed up the economy?

Does the Dem led congress have no say in how the econ goes?

This is why the party system still exists, because the sheep are so easily led by partisan propaganda...

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Cindy
Cindy
Cindy,

I know you're reading this constant harping on the jlc/vinny issue, yet no comment from you or jlac. why? did wapo lawyers tell you to "no comment" it? if so, then give us a "no comment". eff the beyond lame, mad tired controversy. put it to rest once and for all because it's effin DALLAS WEEK!

Posted by: notguy | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM

Posted by: repost | September 24, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Zebra just let him be. Can we please do our best to maintain ITA from all the retards? The extreme left and right can't help themselves it's how they come out thinking they are psuedo-intellectual when really are too stupid to see things as anything but black and white. Just pity them.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark, you wrote, "Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable..." and then listed some of the recent incidents in the flame war between Jason La Canfora and Vinny Cerrato.

I can't quite tell what you were asking us to judge "justifiable," but I think it's somewhere in your penultimate paragraph:

"It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred."

I think you're asking how it's justifiable for a beat reporter who is known the grind his axe to call the league and check on a rule with what you consider the "obvious" intent to "cast a bad light on [Vinny's radio] show."

I don't disagree that La Canfora probably acted maliciously here, and I don't disagree that he has been an exemplary axe-grinder for some time now. Look, I agree with you! But I think you're making some assumptions about the intent and possible effect of his actions in this non-incident. We'll never know his intent, though we are free to make guesses. But we DO know the possible effect of his actions, and I say again, there is no way that La Canfora's actions here could have been detrimental to the Redskins, as has been repeatedly claimed.

Does this suffice by way of a response?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Further Update
Heyer has now come onto the field, but is doing individual drills. He is not in pads.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, thanks for the update.

I wish it were less bad news. Losing Heyer could be the key to this game. If Jansen is forced back into the lineup, and gets run over all day long, and the team is forced to keep a TE in to help him, this could get ugly....

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Honestly, I'm not sure if I would be completely comfortable with her as POTUS. But, she's not on the ticket to be Pres, she's been nominated as VP. But to put it in perspective, I would be comfortable with her considering the alternative choices. She's a governor, not a current poser of a senator and former community organizer...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

GClark with the ol' "When I want your opinion I'll give to you."

You asked for an argument justifying JLC's call to the league office. I offered my view without name calling. Contrary to your assertion, it obviously is not "clear to everyone... what the motive was for the call and the result he had hoped for." Your pitbull-like hold on this issue has me thinking you have some vested interest. Your point of view on the subject is painfully obvious to all. Can you let it go already?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM

This isn't fair, LH. We can disagree on the motive of the call, but still, how would you respond to Jason's inconsistencies when it comes to Vinny being more/less accessible, etc.? Don't get me wrong, Jason is certainly not alone in this sort of convenient criticism. I saw Mark Maske on WaPo Live last week talking about how great DeSean Jackson has been so far this season, and how he was drafted after Kelly and Thomas, using this as criticism of the FO, yet we all know that if the Skins had drafted Jackson they would have been ridiculed for drafting another WR the size of Moss and ARE and not getting a big receiver. I don't see what is wrong for turning criticism towards the media when they seem to routinely be the ones unjudiciously doling it out. Are they not, as public figures, just as open to criticism for their poor or logically flawed analyses?

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Agree anon, btw, I hate the anons just cause you could be the tool who was harping on me for telling cindy again where my glog went, or you could be a dif person.

Oh well. To that anon who harped on me... i took some time to write it. ho knows if Jasno sends them to her or if she monitors Jasnos email there.

Just letting her know.

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, Gary Clark, stepping aside from the impossibility of JLC's call to the league adversely affecting the football team...

I forgot to mention that even in the terms you cite -- his purported desire to do some kind of harm to the operation or prestige of Vinny's radio show -- what was the possible effect of La Canfora's call to the league? Do you think JLC thought he could get the league to shut down the show? Or that the league would in some way affect how Vinny runs the show? Do you really think that was his goal?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Um, no, I'm not negative about the team.
Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 1:41 PM

Um, Vinny and Danny are a part of the TEAM. Danny is going no where, so get comfy with him. He even admitted that his tenure has been a learning process on the CSN interview. You are negative friend. The Redskins have been in the playoffs 2/3 previous seasons, with one win. Cowboys cant say that, nor can many teams. So, IF Vinny is a part of that, most GMs in the league keep their jobs for less. My issue is your staunch defense for JLC, but you give no quarter for actual members of the Franchise. I am done with you my man, your opinion is more important to you than the facts... GO SKINS, F the Cowgirls!!!!!!

Posted by: Realistically | September 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:54 PM

Just like Hannity, Levin, Rush, you just have to put in that jab at the end of an otherwise intelligent response. It's really a shame you have to resort to that type of thing.

Posted by: Olberman | September 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Just thought I'd post this. For the record I'm an @hole offline too so doesn't apply to me.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26837911/

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

No comment.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Unsolicited opinion: "Curtis Gatewood" is a better football name than "Johnny Baldwin," but only by a hair.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Asking Gary Clark to let something go ... thats just not his nature

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Lets call the NFL offices and ask them how many other beat reporters call them every time a member of the team they cover talks about another teams people. If it is a common occurence JLA is just doing his job, if not then...


Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

From this, its pretty clear that forcing errors is the key.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM

You're a freaking genius, you know that?

Posted by: F'n DUH!!!!! | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Nate- Thank you for an intelligent response. I agree with your point that ultimately this could have done no harm to the Skins, but I do not know how this is in any way a defense of what he did. If HE knew that this could have done no harm to the team, because no tampering did occur, then this negates the purpose of the call. To me, that is what makes his intent discernable.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dexter Manley was on 980 this morning and he is not impressed with Heyer - said he preferred Jansen over Heyer (although he did not seem that impressed with Jansen either). Dexter also does not think the D is fierce enough :)

Posted by: Lisa | September 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with hard-hitting questions, but I don't think Gibson should be condescending and paternal-like to anyone who is not his own child.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:44 PM
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Stop your whining crybaby. I'm sure all you want to see is either Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, or Brit Hume sit down with your sansy-prance, moose-eating, bridge-to-nowhere, alaska-should-secede, i'm-on-gods-mission Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Winning organizations are built with a strong infrastructure. Owners who know enough about what they don't know, and are smart enough to hire respected people who do.

Bobby Bethard did it here. George Young did it in NY. Ron Wolf rebuilt Green Bay. Jerry Jones won, only because he had Jimmie Johnson. Kraft turned to Parcells, and now has Pioli. Bills had it with Polian, whose fingerprints are now on Carolina and Indy.

Given the rich tradition of the Skins, it is pretty sad that we have a clueless owner and even worse GM.

Posted by: k Squared | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Since you're lurking up here, when do you guys figure out how to get Jason and Vinny in a room together? Seems this little blow-up could be turned into something where everyone is better off for it.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Lets call the NFL offices and ask them how many other beat reporters call them every time a member of the team they cover talks about another teams people. If it is a common occurence JLA is just doing his job, if not then...


Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM


Let's call your mom and wife and ask them how many random dudes they've had dump out inside or on them.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Unsolicited opinion: "Curtis Gatewood" is a better football name than "Johnny Baldwin," but only by a hair.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM

So nice to have good NATEured posts back. Wasnt Johnny one of the Brothers Baldwin with Alec, Billy like such?

Posted by: Nate Fan | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Agree anon, btw, I hate the anons just cause you could be the tool who was harping on me for telling cindy again where my glog went, or you could be a dif person.

Oh well. To that anon who harped on me... i took some time to write it. ho knows if Jasno sends them to her or if she monitors Jasnos email there.

Just letting her know.

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 1:56 PM

This is much more of a non-issue than Vinny and the Redskins organization defending themselves against frivolous accusations from the local newspaper.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

that was you, Cindy, in my prior post

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It didn't take that long for the owner of the Marlins to win 2 World Series.

Take that suckas

Posted by: Good Owner | September 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Stop your whining crybaby. I'm sure all you want to see is either Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, or Brit Hume sit down with your sansy-prance, moose-eating, bridge-to-nowhere, alaska-should-secede, i'm-on-gods-mission Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:01 PM

Crybaby!!!! then uses those terms...

But I agree, if she cant face hard hitting questions from a reporter in her own country, what if she ever has a face to face with people who REALLY hate her...

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

From this, its pretty clear that forcing errors is the key.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM

You're a freaking genius, you know that?

Posted by: F'n DUH!!!!! | September 24, 2008 1:59 PM

You are so right :)

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Stop your whining crybaby. I'm sure all you want to see is either Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, or Brit Hume sit down with your sansy-prance, moose-eating, bridge-to-nowhere, alaska-should-secede, i'm-on-gods-mission Palin.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:01 PM

Glenn Beck ROCKS!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's call your mom and wife and ask them how many random dudes they've had dump out inside or on them.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 2:02 PM
Another truely intellegent person. I live in the seattle area, next time you're here, look me up. See how tough you are.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I agree with Dex to a point. Given that the team seemingly can't run to the right, he's got a point. Jansen can't pass block, so again, Dex has a point.

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

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Call in Number 1-866-555-1222
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Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Danny Boy has owned the team for how long?
His front office sucks! Vinny the Gerbil is a yes man to Snyder's Napleon complex.

And punk dont get caught again at freshman cheerleader practice playing pocket pool!
Remember how upset your dad got last week!

Posted by: Hoss | September 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Psps23 - If you think Jason was just trying to do his job and had no malicious intent...you're crazy. Remember this rant?

The Immaculate Deception
There is a reason the media schlubs around here have a hard time believing a lot of what comes out of Vinny Cerrato's mouth, and a reason he has credibility issues. Yesterday was a prime example, though hardly unprecedented in these parts. Cerrato repeatedly denied the team was interested in Jason Taylor to the local media (via text, phone call, and then in front of the camera at a press conference), from about 2 pm right up until he tripped over his own feet entering the media room to announce the trade.

Then today in multiple interviews, with ESPN and Sports Illustrated, he implicitly concedes that he was lying through his teeth to every media entity that covers the Redskins on a daily basis. Yet somehow he still wonders why people don't take him seriously? (This is also the guy who claims the team misquoted him in its own press release in 2005. I'll never quite fathom that one.

Here's what Cerrato said about the Jason Taylor trade talks on ESPN radio this morning:

"We went out to practice at 3:00, and I talked to Bill Parcells probably like three times on the practice field, back and forth. We went and discussed some different terms, we came in after practice, talked to 3 or 4 of the veterans players, and asked them what they thought, what type of guy and everything, they said great guy. Everything was positive. Called Parcells back around 6:15 and told them, we'll do the deal. We faxed papers back and forth, got Jason Taylor on the phone and we were done."

Peter King of SI posted today that Cerrato told him he called Parcells at 3:10 pm yesterday:
"I'd called Bill a couple of months ago, I guess, like a lot of other teams did, doing their due diligence, asking him what he was interested in for Taylor,'' Cerrato said. "But nothing ever came of it. I didn't talk to him again about it 'til this afternoon. Then, during the afternoon practice, I'd say I talked to Bill three times about the terms, trying to work something out.''

But yesterday, minutes after the afternoon practice was over, here is what Cerrato said to the local media, repeatedly: "We haven't talked to anybody yet on anything." He then denied, again, any attempts to land Taylor to representatives of virtually every media entity that approached him at Redskins Park.

Now, is lying to the media anything new? Nah. And hey, it's his prerogative I suppose. But most people are more astute that this, maybe find a way to cover their tracks a little bit better. And, more to the point, most pros in the sports business learned long ago how to say - "No comment," or "Hey, we're working on things to make our team better and we'll let you know if we complete something." It's pretty easy to send a signal without destroying what was left of your credibility with the people who cover you only hours into the first day of your first training camp as the head of the Redskins' front office (with that fancy executive vice president title an all)

No surprises on this end, of course. I learned my lesson long ago and went roughly three years without talking to the guy, from the 2005 draft until the 2008 draft, and it had no adverse impact on my ability to do my job. Actually, it's pretty refreshing.

By Jason La Canfora | July 21, 2008; 3:27 PM ET

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Earl -- thanks for the history postings. I recall a bunch of it, back to the Sonny days at least. The '72 playoff game was a beautiful game to see on a dreary day. I remember Charlie Waters with his broken arm. That was an excellent team

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is living proof that quitting drinking does not restore brain function

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Another truely intellegent person. I live in the seattle area, next time you're here, look me up. See how tough you are.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:05 PM

Most of us already know where you live. We've slept in your bed when your not home, too busy at work posting on a blog.

Well I guess you could say none of us has actually fallen asleep in your bed with your wifey, but you get the point.

Posted by: Shut Your Piehole | September 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Registration, please!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

John D in Houston is living proof that one can lose significant brain cells from drinking yet still retain more than John D in Houston ever had.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Shut Your Piehole,

Take your own advice. I do notice, however, that you still can't put down an intellegent thought.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Love the Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity talk.

If I still lived in the MD-DC-VA area I'd seriously consider heading out to Mclean, VA this Saturday morning where Bill O'Reilly is doing a book signing.

Just to meet this "interesting" tv personality and get a picture with him would be a hoot.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Olberman...

You're right. I thought about stopping as I was writing it... That was uncalled for and I should not have gone there...

It just drives me nuts the way news is served to us. The agendas that are at work can be so annoying and it does go both ways...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to personally thank CNN for never offering John D in Houston an opportunity to discuss his warped political and societal views to the masses.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Just because I'm critical of certain members of the organization does NOT make me negative about this team.
Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 2:09 PM

Who brought the players. The organization having a winning record 2 out of 3 years. See, you continue to avoid the point. If they win the SB, I am sure in your mind it will be despite the FO. Weak joker.

Posted by: Blindmansquirrel | September 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Psps23 - If you think Jason was just trying to do his job and had no malicious intent...you're crazy. Remember this rant?

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 2:07 PM

I never said he doesn't have an issue with Cerrato. I said in this particular instance, he did nothing wrong. This whole thing is a non-story.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Registration, please!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:10 PM
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Blow it out your rear end loser.

Posted by: | September 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

duh...

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Nate Fan, that's a totally awesome handle you've selected there.

Sadly, someone beat you (and me, because I wanted dibs on it) to the Baldwin brothers joke. And to think it was that insufferable know-it-all Corky! He did better at it than I would have, because he invoked Gummo. (Joking about "insufferable" -- Corky has plenty of detractors, but I'm not among 'em.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice that when Vinny walked out onto the field last weekend, they played the song: Shattered Dreams, by Johnny Hates Jazz.

Posted by: k Squared | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

duh...

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM

it's ok, John D. Take a little more time and think before you post next time. Your helmet might be too tight.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Again, intellegent thoughts. I'm sure you can do better.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

OK....from here on out, I am committed to being a kinder and gentler anon.

At least until some moron ticks me off again.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

But I agree, if she cant face hard hitting questions from a reporter in her own country, what if she ever has a face to face with people who REALLY hate her...

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 2:04 PM


ZEBRA - Who said she couldn't face those questions? That is what she's been doing... Doing well at that.

Those are examples of the way the press has been attacking her... Examples of the blatant bias that some don't want to face up to... Calling FoxNews biased is a joke when you consider the other major news networks... FoxNews at least tries come at from both sides with their analysts... It's not just a Liberal-Democratic lineup or vice versa....

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

did anyone watch Sports night last night?

Strawburrey interviewed Moss about ST. Loved what he said... although I couldnt stand how he said it...

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll donate $50 to Cindy's favorite charity the DAY that they put in registration on this board.

Posted by: TMU | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Cowboys will be "looking ahead" despite all the kudos they've (rightly) collected for the two big wins. Just checked, and they have a cupcake schedule after Sunday: host Cincy, at Cardinals, at Rams, host Bucs.

If they're looking ahead to anything, it could be the prospect of being undefeated heading into their game at the Giants on Nov. 2. Barf...

(Man, our division sure seems like it has a cupcake schedule this season. AFC North, NFC West...)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Who brought the players. The organization having a winning record 2 out of 3 years. See, you continue to avoid the point. If they win the SB, I am sure in your mind it will be despite the FO. Weak joker.

Posted by: Blindmansquirrel | September 24, 2008 2:14 PM

It's not just 2 out of 3 years, it's 2 out of 9 years.

I give the credit to the FO for building this team. Do I think this is the best team the FO could have produced? Absolutely not. Are we good? Yes.

If we win the Super Bowl, I'll give all the credit in the world for the guys that put this team together. If we end up 2-14, I'll still give all the credit in the world to the guys that put this team together.

As of right now, this FO has FAR from proven itself to be truly effective. Check the team record under Vinny and Danny, when they've both been a part of this organization. Tell me if you're satisfied.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'll donate $50 to Cindy's favorite charity the DAY that they put in registration on this board.

Posted by: TMU | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM

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I'll donate $700,000,000,000 to Satan the day they put in registration on this board.

Posted by: Donation | September 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Updating ...

I went thru all the drives so far this season for BOTH TEAMS and looked at ones that didn't get TDs. Then I looked at the major reason it ended. Here's what I came up with. I excluded kneel down / clock killing with a big lead.

girlz
couldn't get 1st: 5
penalty: 4
pick: 3
Fumble: 2
sack: 2

Skins
couldn't get 1st: 16
penalty: 2
pick:
Fumble:
sack: 2

Major differences!!!

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze's take:
- I am supportive of Jasno's articles and opinions to date on theis blog. Typically don't find much to disagree with. It is good to get a cynic's view to keep my views real. If he's pointing out the strenghts of an opponent that need to be addressed by the skins, that's all it is IMO. Not everything he writes is negative. I will admit he can be pretty down on certain aspects of the organization, but it is nothing most of us up here and everywhere else realize as well, and have stated so in FAR more negative ways up here than Jasno himself actullay has.

- Having said that, I can't deny that his call to the NFL was anything less than suspicious, or at least motivated by hopes to discredit the organization/Vinny. Even so, I am not going to get all outraged and start calling him names, or call for him to be fired. Nothing he did warrants a reprimand from his editors, or an apology to the Redskins or their fans. Nothing actually hit print. Until Vinny brought it up.

- Larry Michael is a tool. What he said went way beyond reporting, or journalism, or whatever he likes to consider himself. What he did, he did on air (JLC did nothing publicly), and actually suggested that people call/email/post on RI/whatever to get JLC fired. Way overboard.

- My thought is that RI should probably get reassigned to Jreid and someone else. Not because of anything JLC did or even wrote, but because I think it is pretty obvious that
he is getting more and more blackballed at the park. I like JLC and his stuff, but even if they let him in the park, it is highly probable that most everyone will have been instructed not to talk to him. If JLC does get reassigned, I am curious to see how long it will take for the "haters" to come out railing against the new guy. Judging by the amount of trolls up here just saying stuff in order to be mean, It will happen very soon thereafter.

- Many of the posts up here lately are downright embarrasing. Why people get so worked up over these little things in life astounds me. I can't imagine how many cowboy trolls have come up here to check things out and just walked away laughing.

- And speaking of Cowboy trolls. I am not one to tell folks how to repsond to them, but the phrase "talk to me when you win a playoff game" is the most ridiculous "comeback" I have ever heard. Use some imagination. You know darn well it will only lead to last time we won a suoper bowl, etc and it is all meaningless, because this is the 2008 regular season. You need to win regular season games (especially against division rivals) to get to the playoffs. Right now on paper, the cowboys are better than we are. We need to hope for higher emotion, harder hitting, and better QB protection, and some lucky bounces.

- And lastly before I get off my podium, I would like to give my take on posting as anon vs handle. Those of us who use handles can be held accountable for past comments, bets, and arguments. And some of the folks up here with handles do actually know each other, so not everyone is technically anonymous. If you hide behind the anon tag you don't run the risk of being called out for anything you say. So yes, it does take "more guts" to post with a handle than it does to be anonymous. Just look at Sports Guru. Even he gets my props for having enough guts to stick with his opinion and handle.

Sorry for the long post. Peace out.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

ZEBRA - Who said she couldn't face those questions? That is what she's been doing... Doing well at that.

Those are examples of the way the press has been attacking her... Examples of the blatant bias that some don't want to face up to... Calling FoxNews biased is a joke when you consider the other major news networks... FoxNews at least tries come at from both sides with their analysts... It's not just a Liberal-Democratic lineup or vice versa....

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM

You are seriously on crack if you think Fox News tries to present both sides fairly.

How many times does Fox News refer to Obabma as Barack Hussein Obama?

Never heard Fox News call McCain, John Sidney McCain. Never heard Fox New refer to Biden or Palin using their middle names.

Grow up and lay off the crack pal.

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question if registration did come back - there's obviously two folks up here posting as "anonymous" (at least) - could WAPOsell the rights to the anonymous screen name?

Could they restrict the use of the anonymous screen name?

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Awesome Guy:
Again to the lowest possible. Can you please come up with something better.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Awesome Guy:
Again to the lowest possible. Can you please come up with something better.

Posted by: bishopj | September 24, 2008 2:26 PM

I don't see you refuting any of my statements. Thus, my statements are 100% true.

Posted by: Spiderman | September 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

when politics are discussed here, I am reminded about how dumb Americans are and hope that NYC can just become an independent nation state.....

Does this make me an east coast cultural elitist, yeah prolly, and I am OK with that....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

That was in response to whoever saying that there were not nice to her... you said she did well, thats fine. But I dont think there is any problem with them making it tough on her.

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I wish the posters here getting 8 dollars an hour to rag on JLC and praise the ambiguously gay duo would STFU. But I know they can't until their shift ends. Danny is watching!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It's not just 2 out of 3 years, it's 2 out of 9 years.

I give the credit to the FO for building this team. Do I think this is the best team the FO could have produced? Absolutely not. Are we good? Yes.

If we win the Super Bowl, I'll give all the credit in the world for the guys that put this team together. If we end up 2-14, I'll still give all the credit in the world to the guys that put this team together.
Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 2:21 PM

Shew, took a while but your there. If they do well, credit. If they suck, FO is charged with making changes and creating a winner. Lets deal in recent history K? 9 years? They are 2-1 RIGHT NOW. Relax...

Posted by: Finally | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Wise Up,

I said they tried... made efforts to do so. What do you have to say about CCN, NBC, ABC, & CBS? Do they even try?

Hmmm - let me answer that for you... NO.

Like it or not Fox News is as close as it gets... They were spawned as a direct result of the other networks agenda.

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

east coast cultural elitists rule.
fly over country droolz

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, though - I mean, be honest with yourself and check out Governor Palin's answers to the Hannity interview questions. Read the answers. Go back and look at the question. Read the answers again. Does she come anywhere near answering a question with anything near specificity? Her answers remind me of essay tests that I took when I went "oh crap - I didn't study that question" and I used big words and generalities and hoped that I'd get SOME points.

It's really apparent that she has not given a great deal of thought to very many of the large issues that impact our country as a whole. That's OK for the Governor of Alaska; you're kind of way up there looking from your front porch at Russia. Your constituency is pretty much homogeneous. Your issues are things that you've lived with and experienced all your life. But is it OK for a President or Vice President? I'm not saying that she has had to visit all kind of foriegn countries or received a masters degree in political science. I'd just like to know that she's given some thought to issues like Medicare, just what are going to do about China and say, how about that immigration issue? If you can honestly feel that she's given you any idea of her feelings about anything but abortion and patriotism, then you're not listening with your head.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I plan on only doing interviews when the questions are pre-screened and when I'm allowed to wear an earpiece so someone can tell me what to say.

Also, I'm so hot aren't I? Definitely hotter than ya'lls wives.

Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

chrIS lArry, the smartest, most grounded RI poster EveR!

Posted by: Bea Little | September 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I plan on only doing interviews when the questions are pre-screened and when I'm allowed to wear an earpiece so someone can tell me what to say.

Also, I'm so hot aren't I? Definitely hotter than ya'lls wives.

Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 24, 2008 2:33 PM

You take questions like Dan Snyder, except you are hotter and taller.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not Fox News is as close as it gets... They were spawned as a direct result of the other networks agenda.

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:32 PM

No sir you are still on crack. Fox and MSNBC try to appeal to the far right and far left. All the others are pretty much inbetween.

Just because Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity tell you all other news networks are evil and "leftist" doesn't make it so.

And you still didn't answer my question about Fox referring to all other candidates using their middle names. Wonder why?

Posted by: Wise Up | September 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark,

You've been reposting for hours, and only 2 apologists have replied to you while a third complained that you wrote too much. Intelligent debate is hard to find up here, but if you're looking for someone to call you a moron because they love Jason and email him all the time and you don't, you're in the right place. If you are going to offer something well-written and based in fact, then only a few souls will respond, as you've seen.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Post should just put Jason on the Vinny beat like ESPN had Pedro Gomez following Bonds around daily during the BALCO scandal. That seems to be his main concern as beat reporter for the Skins as it is, to tattle on Vinny.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, Gary Clark, stepping aside from the impossibility of JLC's call to the league adversely affecting the football team...

I forgot to mention that even in the terms you cite -- his purported desire to do some kind of harm to the operation or prestige of Vinny's radio show -- what was the possible effect of La Canfora's call to the league? Do you think JLC thought he could get the league to shut down the show? Or that the league would in some way affect how Vinny runs the show? Do you really think that was his goal?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 1:56 PM


To a degree, yes. I think JLC thought he could potentially create enough heat for the organization to at least make Vinny appear as though he had egg on his face, and to at most create enough of a story that the team decided the show was too risky and cancel it before anything seriously bad happened. Of course, then he have said "I told you so".

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Well... I guess we will find out in the VP debate...

John D in Houston - I agree there were some questions she ducked and evaded and she spoke to her principles not a plan per say... I can't say that as a shock as her focus was likely not on the Federal Government prior to McCain picking her as his running mate. It also doesn't mean she's not capabale or qualified... She's has been governing a state...

Do you think Barack has answered every question he's been asked... And how long has he been practicing on the national issues... Well. I guess... At least he votes PRESENT! Right? He may not be absent just absent-minded... Those decisions must be too tough for him... So how does that prepare him to make decisions as the Commander in Chief of our Military!

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Why the heck is he still posting?

Posted by: Fire JLC | September 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Sure...

All the others are pretty much in between... HA LOL! Do you work for CNN or NBC?

Wise Up is really Wolf Blitzer!

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark,

You've been reposting for hours, and only 2 apologists have replied to you while a third complained that you wrote too much. Intelligent debate is hard to find up here, but if you're looking for someone to call you a moron because they love Jason and email him all the time and you don't, you're in the right place. If you are going to offer something well-written and based in fact, then only a few souls will respond, as you've seen.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:37 PM

Sorry I was at lunch and in meetings. He is not a moron, I am sure that, allong with 75% of the rest of the people up here we would get allong just fine. Though I disagree with where he is coming from in his stance on this fight. But the whole thing goes too far back to truly say who started it.

I have come to accept that JLC lost the fight in the calling the NFL to see if there was some hanky panky in what Vinny said.

However Vinny and Larry are losing the PR war on this thing. Since Cindy subtly pointed out they were leagally restricted from comenting the more V/L say their stuff on their shows the uglyer it looks on them.

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark,

You've been reposting for hours, and only 2 apologists have replied to you while a third complained that you wrote too much. Intelligent debate is hard to find up here, but if you're looking for someone to call you a moron because they love Jason and email him all the time and you don't, you're in the right place. If you are going to offer something well-written and based in fact, then only a few souls will respond, as you've seen.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:37 PM


Someone else has noticed this too I see

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:32 PM



This is a good post, I'd love to hear Jason respond to this directly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say that Governor Palin didn't answer all of the questions. I said that her answers lacked substance and evidence of any thought given to the problems that faced our country. Two different things. I believe that both major presidential candidates and one major vice-presidential candidate have been exposed to the major issues facing our country, and have given thought to how they would address them.

I would express doubts that Governor Palin has given many of these things much thought at all, until she shows otherwise.

The whole voting present thing, by the way, is some kind of state of Illinois legislature procedural issue - it's not a way of saying "hey I don't want to make a decision". It's something weird that they do in Springfield when legislation is being considered.

It's sort of like Texas, where we elect a governor with very little power.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It's sort of like Texas, where we elect a governor with very little power.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 3:00 PM

And then they run for president, having had no power, and no brain power for that mater, and somehow win. TWICE! Go figure.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The top of the Week 4 ESPN.com NFL power rankings is an exclusive neighborhood. It helps to have an NFC East address.

The Dallas Cowboys lead the pack for the third consecutive week, but suddenly they're crowded by familiar foes. The New York Giants -- who, despite their reigning Super Bowl champion status, usually have occupied a mid-top-10 slot in our rankings -- are No. 2. And despite suffering a Sept. 15 loss to the Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles are elbowing their NFC East brethren for the spotlight at No. 3.

The only NFC East team not among the top 5 is the Washington Redskins, who register at No. 15 this week.

Posted by: Redface | September 24, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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