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Barnes Signs; Orakpo, Jarmon Unsigned (Updated)

Rookie cornerback Kevin Barnes, a third-round draft pick out of Maryland, signed with the Redskins today. Barnes signed a standard four-year rookie deal that includes a $782,000 signing bonus, according to a league source.

The 6-0, 187-pound Barnes is expected to compete for playing time as the nickel cornerback with veteran Fred Smoot, and could provide valuable ability in the slot. Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

The Redskins released undrafted rookie free agent defensive end Derek Walker (Illinois) to make room for Barnes.

With the signing, the Redskins have only two rookies left unsigned: first-round pick Brian Orakpo and supplemental selection Jeremy Jarmon.

The Redskins also released wide receiver Jaison Williams, an undrafted free agent out of Oregon, opening up a roster spot for one of the final two rookie signings.

By Paul Tenorio and Jason Reid  |  July 23, 2009; 12:19 PM ET
 
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Posted by: BREV1 | July 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think Barnes will be the starting nickel back to start the regular season.

Posted by: BREV1 | July 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

nearly first

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 23, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

git 'em signed THIS WEEK!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

THIS is the news I've been waiting for ... now waiting on Orakpo (not so worried about Jarmon getting signed ... he's plenty far behind already, such as).

I was just googling for whatever website it was that in previous seasons has showed who is signed and who remains unsigned (last year, there was some guy, maybe on the Jets, who held out for a long time before signing ... somewhere btwn 5-10 in the first round ... that held up other guys from signing because they wanted to see what he was going to accept).

Anybody know where it is that they track signings?

p.s. I'm pro-Barnes and his puke-causing tackles.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Sween - PFT post all signings. MAybe Rotoworld or scout.com?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to sign my rookies on Madden last night. It's tough to do.

I drafted a Guard in the 1st and the only apparent way I could sign him was by releasing Randy Thomas, so I didn't sign the rookie that I drafted in the first round.

Collins, Sellars, and Daniels retired.

"grooming a replacement" sounds great but isn't the easiest thing to do

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

and oh yeah, I'm glad we signed Barnes and wish the best on the signing of Orakpo and Jarmon

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

p.s. to P-Ten fans (like me) ... after Matt Terl at the Skins-fed blog, P-Ten looks like the second to get this news up on the interwebs ... assuming it was announced at noon (Matt Terl had it a few minutes before noon), P-Ten had it 14 minutes later. That's newsfeed like hamsters have come to relish.

Now that we know that about Barnes, however, its time for more news. NOW, NOW, NOW!

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins signed Barno?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

...wait are they puke inducing tackles to the receiver or the coach?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins signed Barno?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 23, 2009 12:48 PM |

There goes the locker room.
Glad to hear the Vomiteer is signed.

Posted by: mack1 | July 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of inadvertantly reopening the burger topic, I want to give a shout-out to all of you that talked up Five Guys Monday -- I don't live near one but I happened to be in Hagerstown this week so I had to try it --- A++ great bacon cheeseburger & fries!!!

Being away from home and terrified of public retsroom pooping I did have trouble getting etrod's post about "crapping out his spine" off my mind though.......so far so good....

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I am so ready for next week. It's time to this thing started

Posted by: jm220 | July 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Portis slowed down the second 1/2 of 2008 beacause the defenses he faced were all strong (except for Seattle - and he put up 144yrds vs. them). Skins played 7 final 8 games vs. teams with top 13 total defenses (including 4 of the top 5.. skins D was 4th total) and 6 of last eight vs. teams in top 13 in run defense (including teams ranked 2, 3, and 4). Portis is a good player. This team won't win until it's fans stop complaining.
Posted by: MonkMossMann | July 23, 2009 12:19 PM

Good post until the last sentence…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear your OK but remember this about the post-five guys poo: You get one knock. If you don't answer the door, it's coming through anyway.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"But I think the Browns have good looking uniforms."

If Reeses were able to put their logo on them , whatta advertising coup (but everyone knows the Browns are butter cups)..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

As long as they have the seventh rounder signed, fans can relax.

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the "counter" part of the counter trey?

Look at the tapes. The jab step in the opposite direction that started the Counter Trey is now pretty much missing. Instead, it's just a sweep.

The Redskin running game lost its deception. I suspect it may be because they use so much zone blocking, figuring the defense is watching the line for the flow direction...

But that little split second of indecision on a defender's part helped make the play work.

That's ONE reason why Portis got beat up and slowed down in the second half of the season..

Another is the oo old, too small too injury prone Oline got worn down and beat up.

Another is the receiving corpse. And yeah, I know how I spelled it.

Thoughts? Opinions? Facts? Speculation?

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

What do you all think we'll be discussing going into camp in 2010? A few possibilities:

How will Portis perform under new Coach Mike Shanahan, particularly after Shanahan convinced the Vinny to sign 4 Cleveland browns O-lineman who are not named Joe Thomas in the offseason?

Will the Skins be able to repeat as NFC East champs with Portis distracted after being the new 4th judge on American Idol?

After months of speculation, will Brett Favre, now retired from the Vikes, ever reach a final decision on whether or not to ink a deal with the Skins?

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I am soooo psyched! The Skins have not lost a game yet this season!! How f-ing cool is this!!!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 23, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins released undrafted rookie free agent defensive end Derek Walker (Illinois) to make room for Barnes.

By Paul Tenorio | July 23, 2009;

Can the Post take the time to interview this guy, an "undrafted rookie free agent defensive end," for his take on being released? "Boy, that was a blind-side hit. I never saw it coming."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH!!

In an incident eeriely similar to that of Harvard proffessor Henry Gates, one Mista Moe, was approached by a local white police officer as he tried to gain entry to his home after finding his front door jammed.

A neighbor had called to report an apparent breakin by a Black man with a backpack.

It is reported that upon being approached by the white officer once Mista Moe was inside his home, he immediately identified himself as a "Black Republican" and the officer immediately responded, "Oh we're so sorry sir, sorry to have botherd you!", and left without further incident.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 1:17 PM Whatever happened to the "counter" part of the counter trey?
Look at the tapes. The jab step in the opposite direction that started the Counter Trey is now pretty much missing. Instead, it's just a sweep.

---
Cork,
I noticed that too watching NFLN this weekend -- it looked like Riggo was gonna rupture something in his knee every time he sold the fake left before running right - my theory would be too much penetration through our line to run a slow-developing play --just a thought.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

cork, you might be onto something, but I think more so than anything else the lack of passing game, is what caused the demise of the running game.

get the kids going early and often and things will start to loosen up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Lordy, another 'Truth'?

Not hatin' or nothing, but I didn't click with the last one too well.

I'm worried about '09 off-season first. 0-10 can wait 'til 0-10.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually, they left after asking him for ID and he simply showed it to them instead of going into F--- Whitey mode.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What do you all think we'll be discussing going into camp in 2010? A few possibilities:

How will the team deal with going into a season with only Colt and Chase at QB with out a pick in the first 3 rounds?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Ehhh, we don't run the counter trey any more guys.....

JohninHouston - Gibbs 2.0 cleaned it up laast night on NFLN and changed Hail to rainstorm. But basically said the same exact thing. After being in Warshingotn so long, he knows how to stick to his talking points.

He basically said all 3 SB QBs, he has benched at one time or another. So, if you can't handle it, get the SJK out the kitchen....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

He basically said all 3 SB QBs, he has benched at one time or another. So, if you can't handle it, get the SJK out the kitchen....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that's any kind of a knock on Campbell as I think Gibbs sees what we do: Campbell handling this situation like a man.

I hope Jason tears it up this year and gets a big money deal right here in DC.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Original-
Actually, Mr.Gates showed his ID providing proof he was in his own home, and certainly didn't say,"F--- whitey", and was still arrested.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hail storm - what happens after we score.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 1:25 PM

Where’s this coming from? Sounds like you need some bean soda. Or a bean pie perhaps. STRUGGLE!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I hope he does too. I hope he does too......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

...or maybe a Beantown Greg...

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey just having fun with my brother in arms, mista moe, everybody else can continue with the counter trey, LOL!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Potential training camp battles

ARE hairline vs. Rogaine
( the forhead in this dude grows everyear)

Jason Campbell vs. Shaquille O'Neal
(Who can speak the slowest)

Fred Davis vs. Alarm Clock
(I got 5 on the alarm clock)

Chris Cooley vs. Naked Chris Cooley with playbook
(I hope and pray the Chris Cooley with clothes wins that one)

Andre Carter vs. All that tape on his hands
(Is he playing football or boxing)

London Fletcher vs. London Fletcher Baker vs. London Fletcher Baker Smith Johnson Jackson.
( I sware this dude adds a name each year)

Mike Williams vs. Free food
( My money is on Mike Williams)


Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html

Sorry, my mistake. It looks like he did show him his ID and then said "F--- Whitey" repeatedly, which is why he was arrested.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Actually, they left after asking him for ID and he simply showed it to them instead of going into F--- Whitey mode.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 1:35 PM


you dont want to go there, White people have been cussing out police for years and dont get arrested, so if a black person gets indignet with a police officer then he should not get arrested either.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

not to question St Joe -- but I don't recall his benching Theismann.

As for the counter trap/trey -- simple story. Teams figured out how to stop it because they had to. As soon as Timmie Smith got close to 200 yards in a SB -- everyone realized they had better adjust their defenses. So they did.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"I think Barnes will be the starting nickel back to start the regular season.
Posted by: BREV1"

Wouldn't count on it. Barnes is a talented guy but he missed the second half of last season and he wasn't playing as well as he had the year before anyway. He'll be a little bit of a project as a nickel.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Agree with zezezezcest…..As far as counter trey goes, If I recall correctly team speed on defense pretty much killed it. I think it is pretty much a case of defenses having “caught up with it”. I don’t know if anyone even runs the CT anymore, but I could be wrong…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

OK, OK. I don't want to start a race war up in here.

I'll just say that I've met 3 Harvard graduates/students in my life, 2 were white and one was black and all 3 were smug SJKholes so if I had a chance to SJK with any of them I'd relish the opportunity and milk it for all it was worth.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

.....especially after getting indignat in his OWN home after being accussed of being a burglar. Who wouldn't be a little ticked?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Good news on Barnes. Let's hope they get the other guys signed before camp. They need all of the practice time they can get. I think Barnes is going to be THE nickel back this year. He's a hitter! Anyone who hits a guy so hard that he loses his lunch is okay in my secondary.

Here's an interesting thought: assuming teams were not going by the spot in the draft that the player was selected to determine compensation, would Orakpo get more money as a defensive lineman or as a linebacker?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Original_e,

Your exactly the type of white guy that doesn't need to go into law enforcement, you don't f--- with folks just because they are ivy league educated, and a little full of themselves.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see K. Barnes on a few corner blitzes from the slot in the 1st qtr….get Eli really scared……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If he was acting like an SJK, then the police will F%#K wit ya.

I think it may haev been the black dudes fault to an extent. He's like 5'5". He has that Napoleon complex where short dudes go off the plank for no reason. This dude has never experinced real profiling (his words). So, I think he took this over board at the moment and made too big of an issue than it really was.......

And for Obama to comment to the extent he did, I feel sorry for the President. Because if it comes out that his little buddy was acting like a complete jerk, he could get some backlash from it. You always wait for all of the facts to come out....

Funny how The Pres will stick up for his boy when it comes to race issues, but won't stick his neck out there for real race issues......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

72, I can't argue with that :)

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

i don't see why it takes so long for rookies to sign. I realize they are waiting for everyone else to sign so they can get a fair shake. Its too bad they don't have a rookie salary cap. it would make things so much easier and faster.

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | July 23, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

would Orakpo get more money as a defensive lineman or as a linebacker?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to say he'd get paid higher as DE. Elite edge rushers should get paid more than Linebackers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess the old joke applies ... you can always tell a Harvard man, you just can't tell him much.

But yeah -- arresting a guy in his own home -- whether he was being a jerk or not -- dumb move

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Cops are pretty much aholes to everyone regardless of skin color. From what I read the arresting officer is well respected among both white and black colleagues in his department and performed CPR on Reggie Lewis after his heart attack back in the day.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 23, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy about the signings or moves being made for the signings, but I feel bad for the guys they let go. After watching The Hard Knocks, you feel bad for the guys that don't get the opportunity to show what they have on the field because of where they fall on the depth chart. But, I guess thats the blessing in all of this, better it happens now as they may get picked up in some other camp early. Glad the Barnes deal signed in legal now, the kid is a brainiac and can provide some added strategy to our secondary!

Posted by: clark202 | July 23, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

i don't see why it takes so long for rookies to sign. I realize they are waiting for everyone else to sign so they can get a fair shake. Its too bad they don't have a rookie salary cap. it would make things so much easier and faster.
Posted by: vtsquirm1 | July 23, 2009 2:19 PM

Agreed….No idea why the agents and teams don’t start up contract talks sooner. If Danny wanted to F things up for the teams who drafted 1-12 he would sign Orakpo to some outrageous deal that overpays him (not unheard of for Danny), then all the unsigned picks before him would be demanding more money than Orakpo got and could end up holding out, not signing, or at least f up their team’s salary caps……
Of course this scenario works best when you have won the Superbowl and had the #32 pick f the 1st round....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

On July 16, 2009 at approx, 12:44, Officer Figueroa #509, responded to an ECC broadcast for a possible break in at Ware Street. When I arrived I stepped into the residence and Sgt. Crowley had already entered and was speaking to a black male. As I stepped in, I heard Sgt. Crowley ask for the gentlemens information, which he stated, "NO I WILL NOT". The gentlemen was shouting out to the Sgt. that the Sgt was a racist, and yelled that, "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO BLACK MEN IN AMERICA". As the Sgt was trying to calm the gentlemen, the gentlemen shouted, "You don't know who you're messing with".

Continues on about how Gates was uncooperative, shouting how the officer was a racist, etc.

Directly from the police report. Show the cop what he wants, and this is a non issue....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This will be my last post on this blog for some time. I am being incarcerated for the crime of "Creating a Public Health Menace". What happened was I had gone to this Mexican joint with some of my fellow office mates and when I got back I had a report due so I worked feverishly at my cube to complete it. Meantime, the pressure building up in my colon was immense and it wasn't long before my sphincter cracked and a huge fart cloud enveloped the cubes around me. The whole floor was evacuated, people passed out and EMS had to be called to revive them. The thing is the same thing happened 2 years previous and I was given probation and a strict regimen of Gas-X that I had to adhere to. But the medication made me drowsy so I stopped taking it. I couldn't get any work done. Anyway, its off ot the Big House I go. I have prepared for this unfortunate development - I bought a copy of "Who Moved My Soap?: The White Collar Guide to Surviving in Prison - The Bernie Madoff Edition".

Posted by: SonOfStan | July 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey SonofStan, during your incarceration, who will run the Leigh Torrance Fan Appreciation Committee?

Posted by: clark202 | July 23, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,

oh yeah I forgot all police officers right their reports correctly. no police officer in the history of the world has ever lied, left out facts, or written a report that favors them.

Go it

Beantown = Naive

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Mistakes by both. Gates should've been more calm initially and the police should have never arrested him in the 1st place, in spite of the yelling.....

I can't wait until the next time he is on Bill Maher........

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,

oh yeah I forgot all police officers write their reports correctly. no police officer in the history of the world has ever lied, left out facts, or written a report that favors them.

Go it

Beantown = Naive

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

great one=looking for excuses...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Directly from the police report."

For sure the epitome of an unbiased source, considering who is under scrutiny...

Posted by: psps23 | July 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Continues on about how Gates was uncooperative, shouting how the officer was a racist, etc. Directly from the police report. Show the cop what he wants, and this is a non issue....Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

This isn't really a judgment call. Gates demonstrated to reasonable standards that he lived in that house. He had picture ID. He's not required to let the officer into his home without a warrant. He's entirely within his rights to demand the officer identify himself. The standard for disorderly conduct in Massachusetts is inciting to riot. It makes sense in a public place. But Gates' neighbors weren't going to riot, and Gates was in his home. Alone.

The charge was kicked because it's indefensible, not because of Gates' stature. And Obama sees that.

No matter what Gates may have said -- if he impugned the officer's birth, or race, or personal hygiene -- he presented absolutely no threat to the cop and the cop should simply have walked away. That he didn't is the mistake.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's just an unfortunate situation all around.

Gates overreacted and the officer overreacted to Gates' overreaction.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

considering that this very house had gotten broken into, to have to police officer follow proceedure, and do his due dilligence, was well within the law. the police dept. is hardly under scrutiny for this one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Show the police your id in your own home and they should apologize for the misunderstanding and leave immediately. Period.

Gates was pissed off as anyone would be, and surely said things he shouldnt have that angered the officer.

But the officer should have shown better judgment, he arrested Gates out of spite for what was said to him and that's why the charges were dropped.

Posted by: divi3 | July 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

JReid has financial deets on Barnes. Hit refresh.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | July 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

one of the great tragedies in our society comes from the distrust in minority communities of the police. Reality is that police have given these minorities lots of reasons to distrust them.

The problem is that most cops do their jobs properly ... but get painted with the same broad brush. Out here in the Bay Area, Oakland and Richmond (especially bad there) are both crime ridden, and both communities have large numbers of citizens that trust the crooks more than the cops. The result is policing is far less effective than it could or should be, the communities suffer for it ... and a lot of people die because of it.

It'd be refreshing for Gates ... obviously the man with greater status (personal friend of the prez) ... to come out and say that he overreacted and that while the cop was wrong to arrest him, that he (Gates) would have been wiser to work with him, not distrust him. It would also help to acknowledge that the cop was there for the right reasons ... to protect him and his property.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Football?

I'm thinking it shouldn't be too hard to sign Orakpo and Jarmon. Jarmon is slotted according to the third round pick that the Redskins used on him although his agent will probably try to get the deal that Barnes got. Orakpo will take longer given the wider difference between the picks above and below him, but he should be signed in time for training camp. Maybe the day before.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the "counter" part of the counter trey?

Look at the tapes. The jab step in the opposite direction that started the Counter Trey is now pretty much missing. Instead, it's just a sweep.

The Redskin running game lost its deception. I suspect it may be because they use so much zone blocking, figuring the defense is watching the line for the flow direction...

But that little split second of indecision on a defender's part helped make the play work.

That's ONE reason why Portis got beat up and slowed down in the second half of the season..

Another is the oo old, too small too injury prone Oline got worn down and beat up.

Another is the receiving corpse. And yeah, I know how I spelled it.

Thoughts? Opinions? Facts? Speculation?

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Cork, I just need to say that it's nice to have a Redskins-football-only post that we can come together and discuss as compadres, as opposed to the other offseason fodder focused on reporting-ethics, JLA's work and politics that only seems to come between us...

I'm feeling warm and fuzzy about it...it's amazing how a common love for the Redskins and common hatred for the Cowboys can cover over a multitude of sins...

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, It is sad when you have never been on the other side of the fence.
you probably believe that all police officers tell the truth and are here to protect and serve

Well they arent, they are regular people with badges and guns and depending on how they feel that day will depict whether you go to jail or worse.

Until you have been unfairly pulled over, followed by a police officer, or been subject to harrasement by police officer I wouldnt expect you to understand but what I do expect is for people who have never had to experience those things is to stop acting like they dont happen or it was the persons fault.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, it just goes to show ya - don't mouth off to the cops... unless you're friends with the President.

Mrs. Shuttle has yet to learn this lesson...

This guy didn't either... ... it's a little long, but worth it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure race had something to do with it, but not everything. Cops don't like losing arguments. So they arrest people, or stomp them. That's how they bad ones get their power back when made to look the fool. Except in Bean's neighborhood all the cops are like Andy Griffith, no one even sees color (just shades of gray) and every year the skin's front office makes the moves that will finally put them over the top.

Posted by: mack1 | July 23, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I'm pro-Barnes and his puke-causing tackles.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Go Terps.

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Until you have been unfairly pulled over, followed by a police officer, or been subject to harrasement by police officer I wouldnt expect you to understand

Check, check, and check.

Or did you think that you were the only one?? Again, stop looking for excuses, Gates shows ID, CASE CLOSED.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

4th, greg, divi3, you guys need to read the US Constitution. In general, so long as you are not inciting a riot, you can say what you want as loud as you want. He was arrested after he showed his ID that demonstrated he was the homeowner. He was arrested because he wouldn't shut his mouth. He was guilty of a non-crime - contempt of cop. A cop with any sense would have left Gates in his residence to his own devices.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 23, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Directly from the police report."

For sure the epitome of an unbiased source, considering who is under scrutiny...

Posted by: psps23 | July 23, 2009 2:34 PM

What's this about Jasno writing police reports?

Also, I think I might be the only one who cares about Jaison Williams getting cut. Seemed like a massive dude, and very profilic, esp. b/c he was in the PAC 10 ... and had to face coverage by the likes of guys like Justin Tryon.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I think I might be the only one who cares about Jaison Williams getting cut.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 2:56 PM

I'm guessing Jaison and all of his relatives were much more upset than dcsween. I hope the police don't ask any of you for ID until you've all had a good cooling off period.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure race had something to do with it, but not everything"

ufb......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

CASE CLOSED.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:53 PM

Well, that's straight from conscience of all cops/prosecutors/judges right there ... I'm persuaded.

Also, how do you pronounced Jahvid (as in Jahvid Best, the guy who Barnes caused to soil the turf)? Does it rhyme with David in English (DAY-vid), or David in Spanish (dah-VEED), or like a combo of both ... JAH-vid?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

would Orakpo get more money as a defensive lineman or as a linebacker?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to say he'd get paid higher as DE. Elite edge rushers should get paid more than Linebackers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think he gets the most money by being a LaVar type who can play both spots.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure race had something to do with it, but not everything"

ufb......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 3:00 PM

Yeah, mack1, which part of CASE CLOSED don't you understand? BeantownGreg1 has spoken. That's all there is to say.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

ufb......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Dont speak blog what does UFB mean?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

No question race played a part in the arrest. Anyone that doesn't belive it didn't need to wake up.

Posted by: jm220 | July 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

RedskinHead, etrod, alex####, Orakpo gets the most money by being a #13 pick ... and then by waiting to see what #12 and #14 get.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Un-SJKing Believable?

& yeh - they better not try to skimp oSACKpo... we don't need a rookie controversy now. That'll be next year when they try to induct the rookie cap.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

ufb = unf***ingbelievable

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Or did you think that you were the only one?? Again, stop looking for excuses, Gates shows ID, CASE CLOSED. Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

Well, that's what I'm not following clearly. Gates didn't show ID? I'm hearing that in fact he did.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I cannot remember Danny ever having a problem signing anyone except the Ramsey signing.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think he gets the most money by being a LaVar type who can play both spots.

Posted by: alex35332

A LaVar type? What IS the going rate for a guy who doesn't know the plays, is out of position, rips his HOF coach, and whines when told to rush the passer from a DE position?

Don't forget to add in the bonus that wasn't in the contract he doesn't read either.

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, as between DE and LB, I think Orakpo is looking to make more money than he would make by being drafted by any other team not owned by The Owner.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it should be team policy to use a 3rd or 4th round pick every year on a cornerback so we can read articles on how he might be the nickelback only to have him not do that. We can call it the Justin Tryon Society or perhaps the Andre Lott Club?

I think David Terrell is still available after he got released from his YMCA flag team after getting burned for 3 TDs by an accountant from Manasas. Word is, Terrell looked GREAT in practice though.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

jm, disagree completely....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I think he gets the most money by being a LaVar type who can play both spots.

Posted by: alex35332

A LaVar type? What IS the going rate for a guy who doesn't know the plays, is out of position, rips his HOF coach, and whines when told to rush the passer from a DE position?

Don't forget to add in the bonus that wasn't in the contract he doesn't read either.

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM

But if he can play both spots then he gets double. There will be two bonuses missing from his contract.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I just need to say that it's nice to have a Redskins-football-only post that we can come together and discuss as compadres, as opposed to the other offseason fodder focused on reporting-ethics, JLA's work and politics that only seems to come between us...

I'm feeling warm and fuzzy about it...it's amazing how a common love for the Redskins and common hatred for the Cowboys can cover over a multitude of sins...

Posted by: p1funk |


Amen to that,

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Rookie wise, mebbe not - but the LeVar signing was tumultuous to the point of threatened (or filed? ...anyone) lawsuits..

...I guess I'm just waiting for the imaginary wheels to fall off our imaginary bandwagon...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
I mean a 4-3 hybrid DE/LB, what LaVar would have been if the Danny had half a brain and gave Marvin Lewis the HC job when we had the chance.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure race had something to do with it, but not everything. Cops don't like losing arguments. So they arrest people, or stomp them. That's how they bad ones get their power back when made to look the fool. Except in Bean's neighborhood all the cops are like Andy Griffith, no one even sees color (just shades of gray) and every year the skin's front office makes the moves that will finally put them over the top.

Posted by: mack1 | July 23, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse


I once locked myself out of my place and had to climb up on the roof and creep through a bathroom window on the 2nd floor of my house. A neighbor saw me and called the cops. As I was coming out of my front door, 2 cops met me on my front porch (one with his hand on holster) and asked me for ID b/c they got a call about a potential break-in. I showed them my ID and that was that.

I was at a small house-party at my buddy's house and some neighbors called cops b/c we were loud. They got permission to come in and "check things out". With everyone standing in the same room, one of them asked me for ID and I asked him why he wanted to see it. He immediately got in my face and commanded/threatened that he would arrest me if I continued to "interefere" with his "investigation". There was no doubt in my mind that if I did anything else to piss him off, he'd have slapped cuffs on me.

I am white.

My first point? When cops respond to a potential break-in it's SOP to ask for ID when they find someone on the premises. There's nothing race-charged about it. It's pretty bush-league of Gates to throw a fit over that. My second point? Regardless of race/age/gender, some cops are gonna throw their weight around and push-back if they feel publicly berated/disrespected/interfered with in the course of their duties. It was pretty bush-league for the cop to cuff Gates.

It seems like there's blame to spread around, but I don't see anything about this specific incident that screams "racism"...given the circumstances it's easy to apply that viewpoint, though I don't think it's really there on the part of the cop.

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I cannot remember Danny ever having a problem signing anyone except the Ramsey signing.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM

Yeah, and then they were about to trade him to Chicago, but (in retrospect) they were asking too much.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

A LaVar type? What IS the going rate for a guy who doesn't know the plays, is out of position, rips his HOF coach, and whines when told to rush the passer from a DE position?

Posted by: TheCork | July 23, 2009 3:11 PM

Not the DE position, but I think the going rate for a WR fits those qualifications is something like a third and fourth round draft pick, plus $10M signing bonus, a massive multi-year contract, and the letters L-L-O-Y-D on the back of your jersey.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

the Danny had half a brain and gave Marvin Lewis the HC job when we had the chance.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:14 PM |

Huh? Marvin Lewis? It would take someone with only half a brain to make him a head coach. He's been a real asset for Cincinnati. Just think what he could have done here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

T_E,
Well if you want to assume that Cinci's failure is all Lewis then that arguement does not work. But Marvin used LaVar in the best way anyone ever could have, and made him the leader in sacks for LB's

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The US COnstitution is like 700 pages long. I'm not reading that....

All I know is you show respect, you get respect back. And I also know the constitution doesn't address common stuff like that.

As a youth, I would mouth off to the police and ALWAYS got in more trouble than if I had just kept my mouth closed and be repectful. Now, I tell them like it is, and some lighten up. But AHoles are still AHoles, but I don't give them an excuse to become even a bigger one........

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Marvin Lewis? It would take someone with only half a brain to make him a head coach. He's been a real asset for Cincinnati. Just think what he could have done here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse


In Marvin's defense, he did improve the Bengals from "atrocious" to "mediocre/average".

Funny thing about Marvin is that the success of that team has been on the back of the offense and he came in as a D-guru.

Kind of like Brian Billick's success came on the back of the Ravens D and he came in as a QB-guru.

Kind of like Jim Zorn who came in as a QB-guru and the thing that is gonna carry this team is the defense.

Go figure...

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

JM220 - The more I read about this story, the more suspicous I become of it. Maybe I have slowly rolled into the land of cynacism in many things. If so, I can only hope I am able to pull myself out of it.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If the Nat inals can't sign Strausburg, Maybe Snyderatto should give him a look. Dude's gotta be able to chuck the rock 80+ yards

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | July 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, police tend to be control-mongering d*cks with serious issues about their out of control unresolved childhoods, but the institutionalized white money subjugating the black man down is undeniable, and Chad was absolutely right to establish a line of communication for his own protection while it was going on real-time. "Whiteness" is a myth anyway, perpetuated to keep the ruling class on top of the society, the Irish used to not be considered "white" when they first started migrating over..Then they became established, and the Germans were not considered white by the status quo..(and we all know how "white" Germans are, now don't we??)..Recent scientifics show that species and color changes occur at a far faster rate then previously known- the blacks evolved into browns evolved into whites in just a few thousand years from the original "African Radiation"..It was the snow that made the "white" people "white", in a blink of the Cosmic Eye...All Southerners and particularly, the Klan, are descended from black slaves..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I reiterate, 'don't mouth off to the cops'...

I'm going to take a probably unpopular approach here - but imagine you're the cop. You are trained (and reminded on a daily basis) that people are out there to kill you. every day.

You respond to a call that a citizen put in about a burglary. You don't know if it's the owner. You don't know what the guy could be on, if he's violent. So there you are, a hair trigger, and the perp snaps on you. You are trained to control the situation. That's your job. So you control it.

I'm not trying to say there isn't racism in police work. There is. I know there is. I've had friends on both sides of the badge effected by it. We see violent evidence of that often.

I'm just saying - the cop doesn't know what's coming and if you go apeSJK, even if the cop is COMPLETELY WRONG - it's not helping anyone.

Don't mouth off to the cops. Show some respect for authority. And get a lawyer, if you have to. Oh & never take the breathalizer.

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

jm, disagree completely....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1

You have a right to your view.

4th the thing that got me is why the officer didn't want to give his name and badge. If he didn't do anything wrong it shouldn't been a problem. Once the Prof gave his id that should have been the end of it. The man was in his own damn home.

Posted by: jm220 | July 23, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

4th the thing that got me is why the officer didn't want to give his name and badge. If he didn't do anything wrong it shouldn't been a problem. Once the Prof gave his id that should have been the end of it. The man was in his own damn home.

Posted by: jm220 | July 23, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

That's not altogether straight. Apparently the cop did identify himself at least by name, but didn't offer his badge number, as he was still trying to get Gates to show ID. Once Gates finally showed ID, the cop did leave his home and Gates followed him out to the front porch where the scene escalated.

IMO, if Gates had only chewed him out in the privacy of his own home nothing would have happened. It was the whole "being out in public" thing where the cop's ego seemed to take over.

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

funny - doesn't look like a White Cop out in front.

...maybe someone should interview that guy!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It seems like there's blame to spread around, but I don't see anything about this specific incident that screams "racism
Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 3:14 PM

The most enlightning post all day, that is all people want to hear. I dont think it was racist either, but the police have a bigger civic duty to maintain their cool and be professional in all situations. This is why they go to an academy and get training.

The same way we feel professional athletes with no professional training should be the bigger person and not get into fights with drunk fans, the police should be held to the same standard that if a person in yelling at you but not causing a riot, hurting anything other than the police officers feelings that the police officer should just walk away.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No question race played a part in the arrest. Anyone that doesn't belive it didn't need to wake up.

Posted by: jm220 | July 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse
Race did not play a part in this incident. No matter if you are white,black,hispanic or whatever; if you mouth off to a cop and drop a " do you know who you're messing with" you are going downtown.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Once the Prof gave his id that should have been the end of it.

Agreed, but Gates kept running his mouth.

I'm white. I run my mouth at a cop in the manner that Gates did, and I'm gonna get pinched......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

LaVar Arrington sharing on his show now, his first name is from LaVar Burton, who his parents loved in Roots.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I say we take care of this the only rational way one can. We put them both in the Thunderdome.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Just reading these comments RE: Gates & the arrest.

I most definitely have an opinion on this, most of you know the basics about me, so you KNOW I have an opinion on this...

But be that as it may, I'm going to sit this argument out. What I'll have to say will undoubtedly piss more than a few people off I'm sure, so I'ma chill...

But I will just say this: it's easy to talk that "Cops were just following SOP" or "He shouldn't have mouthed off" sh*t when you're not a minority.

You can talk to the cops any way you damn well please. I know this because when I'm confronted by one and they're on that b/s, I air his or her ass out every time.

I've never met a cop I thought was cool.

Why?

Becasue they were a f'n cop.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

LaVar Arrington sharing on his show now, his first name is from LaVar Burton, who his parents loved in Roots.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse


They were also big Trekkies...go Geordi!!

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If it was a Black cop arresting an unruly White guy in this situation, would it even be a story?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, just read the Bill of Rights and you can stop after reading the first one.

People should be respectful of others. That aside, it is not illegal to be disrespectful. There is no criminal charge for that. The cop was the one with the power in the situation. He chose to exercise it wrongfully and he abused his authority.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

JM220 - The more I read about this story, the more suspicous I become of it. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 3:25 PM

According to the WaPo story, there is a factual dispute btwn the officer and the professor about whether the professor provided his driver's license when asked. There is no dispute that he provided a photo ID with his name on it, but that was the professor's university ID and did not have his address on it.

Equally important, however, how did the pressing issue of quality of the Five Guys burger get resolved? Is it just etrod and his spine that don't agree that it rules all other franchise-flipped meat patties?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I just looked up the player rankings for Madden 2010 and they have Jansen at freakin 83 while Heyer is like 68. Horton is an abysmal 70 and R. Thomas is 89 if you can believe that. Bright spot though, should be fun playing with Haynesworth at 99. :)

Posted by: ga8085 | July 23, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle, black cops are worse than white cops in some cases.

If you give a black person power or authority, that sh*t goes straight to their head. I've seen it in the Army, in the private working sector, sports -- everywhere!

And this is coming from a black man. Anyone of the same likeness care to disagree?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Cops are pretty much aholes to everyone regardless of skin color. From what I read the arresting officer is well respected among both white and black colleagues in his department and performed CPR on Reggie Lewis after his heart attack back in the day.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 23, 2009 2:25 PM

Maybe that's why Reggie Lewis died.

Posted by: abxinc | July 23, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

... But be that as it may, I'm going to sit this argument out. ...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 3:45 PM

I'm on your bandwagon on this now ... mostly because I hold cops and college professors in only slightly higher regard than I hold insurance adjusters and real estate agents. [Plus, non-football discussions bring out my smart-axx side ... and this topic is definitely not football related.]

On a completely unrelated note, this time about the often angrily discussed (two sides angry that it is even a discussion topic) topic of the team name and mascot, how about the Washington Cops?

[See, there I go again ... still, it sounds more intimidating than a name like Cardinals or Browns.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

If it was a Black cop arresting an unruly White guy in this situation, would it even be a story?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 3:47 PM

It should be, The main issue here to me is that police white and black take the law into their own hand. And they will make up charges as they see fit.

I had a friend of mine who was in a nightclub and he bumped into one of the bouncers in the club, make a long story short the bouncer got upset and threw him out of the club. the point is when he got outside the police told him he had to leave the premises so he said o.k.
A couple minutes later the cops saw him standing across the street and told him to go home, he told him that he was with a friend and that the friend had the car keys and he was trying to call the friend on the cell phone to bring him the keys so could leave. well the police did not like his story so they arrested him for insabordination and he had to spend the whole weekend in jail until someone could bail him out.
That is what I mean by police taking the law into their own hands when they feel like it and making charges up. My friend was neither drunk nor disorderely but they felt like throwing their weight around.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If it was a Black cop arresting an unruly White guy in this situation, would it even be a story?

Posted by: iH8dallas

You bet your hatin' ass (namesake) this would be a story. More so even.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

how did the pressing issue of quality of the Five Guys burger get resolved? Is it just etrod and his spine that don't agree that it rules all other franchise-flipped meat patties?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:48 PM

The burger showed its ID, but the ID didn't have the right address and so the burger had to spend the night in etrod. Now if that had happened to you, what would you have done to etrod?

And, yeah, it was a black burger, not a white one, so these sorts of things happen to the burger all the time. You white burgers just don't get it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Well - bfd, Red. You don't know the cops I know and they're sho nuff better'n you.

Gee - throwing a bunch of people into a category and judging them without knowing them. What's that sound like. Bigotry.

Don't hate someone 'cause they're something or something else - just hate them, personally...


&H8r, didn't you know? White guys don't get arrested, they are charriotted away on gilded streets to rest in clouds w/ big chested maidens and given nectar for succor....

My charriot awaits... Lem'me go punch out a pig & get some girl scout cookies...

rok ROK AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

REDDMV

Agree with you 100% black cops are worse than white cops

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

&H8r, didn't you know? White guys don't get arrested, they are charriotted away on gilded streets to rest in clouds w/ big chested maidens and given nectar for succor....

My charriot awaits... Lem'me go punch out a pig & get some girl scout cookies...

rok ROK AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | July 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of where everyone stands on this issue I think we can all agree on a few things.
1. An a##hole cop had a run in with a d-bag professor.
2. Cops get off on making peoples lives miserable if given the oppurtunity.
3.No matter what color we are , everyone on RI loves to see Romo choke in December.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that's why Reggie Lewis died.

WOW.....just wow....nicely done, scumbag...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Also, how do you pronounced Jahvid (as in Jahvid Best, the guy who Barnes caused to soil the turf)? Does it rhyme with David in English (DAY-vid), or David in Spanish (dah-VEED), or like a combo of both ... JAH-vid?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 3:02 PM
-------
It's the combo of both: Jah-vid.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse


I love reading BG's lighthearted missives.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 23, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I was kicked in the back by a White cop while a Black cop had his knee in my neck. It was like a jungle fever of police brutality.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I've never met a cop I thought was cool.

Why?

Becasue they were a f'n cop.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 3:45 PM

I thought that until 2 people I know (one a childhood friend) became DC MPDs recently......

And cops seem to produce some very very fine daughters, if I may say so myself (just don't tell my wife!)......

Sween - You can't trust the WaPo on this story because the own a company Gates founded and currently runs. So he is on their payroll. Think ESPN/Harrah's WSOP/Rothels5Guysburger........

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lordy, another 'Truth'?

Not hatin' or nothing, but I didn't click with the last one too well.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 1:34 PM

Not to worry RedDMV -- I'm 93.7% less antagonistic that TheOldTruth.
Also, any opinions expressed in this forum by TheNewTruth do not reflect the opinions of TheOldTruth, the Washington Post, or the National Football League.

Posted by: TheNewTruth | July 23, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

On July 16, 2009 at approx, 12:44, Officer Figueroa #509, responded to an ECC broadcast for a possible break in at Ware Street. When I arrived I stepped into the residence and Sgt. Crowley had already entered and was speaking to a black male. As I stepped in, I heard Sgt. Crowley ask for the gentlemens information, which he stated, "NO I WILL NOT". The gentlemen was shouting out to the Sgt. that the Sgt was a racist, and yelled that, "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO BLACK MEN IN AMERICA". As the Sgt was trying to calm the gentlemen, the gentlemen shouted, "You don't know who you're messing with".

Continues on about how Gates was uncooperative, shouting how the officer was a racist, etc.

Directly from the police report. Show the cop what he wants, and this is a non issue....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

my question is what was said to the black male before the other officer entered the residence?


Could it have been something like show me your id. n-word? we don't know and neither does the officer who wrote that report.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | July 23, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I mean, to suggest that this cop's cpr was the reason that reggie died is just stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree with you 100% black cops are worse than white cops

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 3:59 PM

So does anyone have a view on parking ticket writers? Black/white/male/female? I'm just saying that, in the abuse of power and arrogance due to position category, cops nationally have nothing on D.C. Parking Enforcement.

The particular predator in my neighborhood, Officer Ayers, also happens to be significantly overweight ... which I think heightens and enhances her arrogance and power abuse ... and I'm 9 for 9 on my challenges to her tickets before D.C. Traffic Adjudication ... not that I feel compelled to contest $30/50/60/120 tickets ... I just have a grudge and want her re-assigned.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

LaVar has Bob Marliy's son on his show to talk about the LaBron smoking weed issue.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

or could it have been show me some id. period...

Cambridge police Sgt. James Crowley, the cop at the center of a firestorm over the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., has taught a racial profiling class at the Lowell Police Academy for five years.

His academy class, which he teaches with a black police officer, instructs about 60 police cadets per year who spend 12 hours in the classroom, said Lowell Police Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

“He’s a very professional police officer and he’s a good role model,” Fleming said. “Former police commissioner Ronny Watson, who is a person of color, hand-picked Sgt. Crowley. ... I presume because he would be the most qualified and most professional. He’s a very good instructor. He gets very high reviews by the students.”

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I mean, to suggest that this cop's cpr was the reason that reggie died is just stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 4:13 PM

Did you learn sarcasm at school?

Posted by: abxinc | July 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Sween - You can't trust the WaPo on this story ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 4:07 PM

They were just quoting Gates' lawyer and the arresting officer himself (from his remarks on the radio). Conspiracy-minded much?

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

In college my friend was robbed by a cop, he was hanging on a street corner when another dude was buying a dime bag in the ally behind him.

I don't know what color the cop was, but I am solidly in favor of bad s*** happening to that cop.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The only black cops that they accept are those that a) protect the drug turf of the local syndicate, b) pass the "Prove That You're White" exam at the academy , and c) watch the Country Music Channel at least 10 hours a week (required)

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex - Fill a brother in....

Do they talk about LaVar's own habit's and The Marley's Son (I forgot his name, the one who played for Miami is LAVar's real goos friend) of smoking dope? Why talk about someone else doing it when either you or most of your close comrades smoke the sticky as well??

Sween - Harrah's does'nt want the bad publicity and they are the major sponsor of the WSOP on ESPofN. Which is why ESPofN wasn't trying to report the RothelsRay'sbuger rape case....

Oh, The skinny female ticket writers are the worst......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

LeBron is the biggest crybaby sore loser I have ever seen. He doesn't mind dunking on 7 footers, but a hole is torn in the space/time continuom if a college kid puts his junk in Bron-Brons grill. Now he just looks like a punk....D-wade is better anyway.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Harrah's is owned by the Fayed family, whose brown fetus caused the Royals to off Diana (though Charles is a big proponent of organic food and stands against, harumph, "Genetic engineering", eh what, snort, cough, harumph..)

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

4th,
You had to read into what LaVar was saying, he kept repeating a few things like "what a man does in his own home is his business".
I don't think he said he did it, and Chad never actually asked, almost danced around it, I think he does and he is not ready to admit it.

Marley was very into talking about the spiritual aspects of the drug.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 23, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

For those who think racism played a part ... of course its possible. So let me ask this ... who was the racist?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Well - bfd, Red. You don't know the cops I know and they're sho nuff better'n you.

Gee - throwing a bunch of people into a category and judging them without knowing them. What's that sound like. Bigotry.

Don't hate someone 'cause they're something or something else - just hate them, personally...

Posted by: DikShuttle

Okay, so you must obviously be tight with some cops. So you're going to side with those a-holes.

But you're going to far with the attacks, here, dipSh!t. Tone that down, guy.

Better than me? Mothef***er, you don't know me. But like I said, if you're going to side with your lame ass cop buddies by all means -- I understand.

I also love it how, when a black person brings up racism, a white person somehow always flips the sh*t around. Yeah I'ma classify cops as one, because they're the f***in COPS, dummy! Black or white, it don't matter.

Matter of fact, if you read sh*t, and stop rushing to post your b/s, you would've seen the post on black cops. But no, you were too bust being a d***head.

Don't try and lecture me on racism and bigotry, more less accuse ME of it.

You're the one taking offense on it, so you must have it in you to some degree, and believe, if I do, it's more than justified, jerk-off.

Defend your boys, I understand. But also understand this: F*** you, and your homeboy cops, Dick.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Now THIS is interesting!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I know at least 7 cops (from all different areas/states) and knew the majority of them before they joined the force. Although I don’t really hang out with any of them any more I would consider all of them great guys. I have only witnessed one of them on the job, and he acted like a very different person than the one I used to work with. Still see him from time to time and he hasn’t “changed” as far as I can tell, but he was very different when he was on the job. I can’t say if it’s a power trip or not; there probably is something to that, but I think that they are trained to be on guard at all times and be aware as someone mentioned before that there can be a target on their backs when they are on duty. One thing I can say is that any time I have looked to a cop for “help” with directions, or whatever, I’ve been treated like dirt….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 23, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

geez, even the cops must hate going to the DMV

Posted by: -swb | July 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what gives cops the right to be complete a##holes on a regular basis. There are some that I just wanted to say, take off that badge and gun and I'll beat the sh*t out of you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I saw a cop at my barbershop getting his eyebrows waxed. I laughed my a## off.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

phrases I learned that work best when dealing with cops

Yes, officer
No, officer
Thank you, officer
I'm really sorry about that, officer

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sidebar. Black republicans are worse than white ones too IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

football related question - any of you guys/gals planning on making the trip out to Ashburn to watch one of the open practices?

I usually try and make it over there (10 minutes from home) once or twice, but the timing isn't good for me this year. I still might be able to make it on one of the weekdays...we'll see. As always, if I do, I'll post pictures/comments

Posted by: -swb | July 23, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm white. I run my mouth at a cop in the manner that Gates did, and I'm gonna get pinched......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2009 3:39 PM

You're white? Holy crap, that blows me away! Next you'll tell us you live in a suburb and complete turn our world upside down.

Posted by: mack1 | July 23, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

sidebar. Black republicans are worse than white ones too IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM

Heck no! Wrong Wrong Wrong!

SJK like this is what keeps the black people down! Blacks aren't a one-party race....

Like Dems have EVER done anything for Black people w/o trying to get their vote!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 23, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

So does anyone have a view on parking ticket writers? Black/white/male/female? I'm just saying that, in the abuse of power and arrogance due to position category, cops nationally have nothing on D.C. Parking Enforcement.

Posted by: dcsween

See this is what we should've been talking about all along, that way Dik's feelings wouldn't have been hurt.

I HATE DC PARKING ENFORCEMENT with a passion. HATE. THEM!!! I've lost count how much in fines I've amassed over the last 18 months. I mean these f***ers put a ticket on a guy's car, and he had 18 minutes left on the damn meter.

I've been towed twice, because I refused to pay the ticket. Yeah, in the end I had to pay, more even, but I refused to spend my money on b/s like that. What can I say, I'm stubborn like that.

I got a ticket one time because it was alleged that I parked too close to a bus zone. The time was 3:30, the bus zone didn't go in effect until 4 PM.

F THE COPS! F DC PARKING ENFORCEMENT! F THEM ALL!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Alright lets end this, Black people suck, White people suck, Everybody sucks. now that we have gotten that out of the way.

This just in, that dork Roger Goodell just announced that the draft in 2010 will be moved to 3 days instead of 2 moving the 1st round to primetime on thursday night, then rounds 2 and 3 on friday and rounds 4 to 7 on saturday.

I dont like this idea, anybody else feel differently

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

phrases I learned that work best when dealing with cops

Yes, officer
No, officer
Thank you, officer
I'm really sorry about that, officer

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM

A police officer stopped a motorist who was speeding down Main Street. The motorists gets out of the car and approaches the police car in an excited mannter. "But officer," the man began, "I can explain."

"Stop right there! Back away from the car!Just be quiet," snapped the officer. The man continues to stammer excitedly. "I told you to back off. You are interfering with my investigation. I'm going to let you cool your heels in jail until the chief gets back."

"But, officer, I just wanted to say ..."

"I said to keep quiet! You're going to jail!"

A few hours later the officer looked in on his prisoner and said, "Lucky for you that the chief's at his daughter's wedding ... He'll be in a good mood when he gets back."

"Don't count on it," answered the jailed motorist. "I'm the groom."

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Just one thing folks re: Gates

The guy just flew back from China. I would say that he had the proper identification. Either that or that Harvard ID REALLY does provide elite access.

Posted by: priceisright | July 23, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"F THE COPS! F DC PARKING ENFORCEMENT! F THEM ALL!!!!!"

heh-eh-heh, let's go M***T**R F***IN' SHERMAN!! dude, but seriously, they'll try to milk you if they know you're a hothead, no sh*t..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Thought you guys might like these videos of traffic cops pulling over motorists who were very vocal, but did not get arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSbSF2Uxwc4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I can't imagine Gates was worse than the second guy. I think the cop that arrested Gates is an idiot, but the cop in the second video is a saint!

Posted by: clark202 | July 23, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Based on the evidence provided by todays discussion this is my synopsis of what went down in Cambridge:

Black man's door is jammed. Tries to force it open.
Passerby sees a black man trying to force open a door, assumes the worst and notifies the police.
Officer is dispatched to the scene, knocks on the door. Black man answers the door and is questioned by the officer about reported break-in attempt.
Black man explains that it is his own home and he had to force the door open because it was jammed.
Officer has heard this story before and asks for ID to confirm black man resides in the house.
Black man becomes irritated and as he is locating his ID begins to berate the officer as a racist.
Officer becomes annoyed as he examines the id; black man asks to see his ID. Annoyed officer acknowledges that this is the black man's home and attemps to leave without giving his ID/badge number.
Black man becomes irate at this and follows officer out, shouting at him. Officer has had enough and decides to be an a-hole so he arrests black man on a BS disturbing the peace charge.
Magistrate realizes charge is BS and drops it.
Media catches wind of this and here we are.

Both parties were being a-holes and both end up looking like a-holes. All because some SJK jogger couldn't mind their own damn business.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Heck no! Wrong Wrong Wrong!

SJK like this is what keeps the black people down! Blacks aren't a one-party race....

Like Dems have EVER done anything for Black people w/o trying to get their vote!

Posted by: 4thFloor


I agree with both of you.

From what I see, black republicans are indeed worse than white republicans. Think: Thomas and this new a-hole Michael Steele, from the 'M' of DMV.

Michael Steele is one Oreo eating, skim milk drinking bama if I ever seen one. I can't stand that guy.

And for all the flack George W caught, I didn't think he was that bad of a guy at all. He was a puppet, and the puppeteers stringed him along because they promised that he'll get money.

Bush didn't care about black or white, he cared about green.

But I also agree with 4th because these guys are politicians and NOTHING more. They're not saviors of anything. As much as I respect the man, I really didn't understand the love fest over Obama.

People feel in love with him because of his promises made through his SPEECHES. HELLO!?! They're just speeches.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

sidebar. Black republicans are worse than white ones too IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 4:53 PM

They may be blatant Toms and slave-soldiers for white male patriarchy, but no one comes close to the alien viciousness of Bush, Cheney and the white Neo-con Fash From Hell..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Condoleeza's main function was Barbie doll parades and knee-work..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

My first point? When cops respond to a potential break-in it's SOP to ask for ID when they find someone on the premises. There's nothing race-charged about it. It's pretty bush-league of Gates to throw a fit over that. My second point? Regardless of race/age/gender, some cops are gonna throw their weight around and push-back if they feel publicly berated/disrespected/interfered with in the course of their duties. It was pretty bush-league for the cop to cuff Gates.

It seems like there's blame to spread around, but I don't see anything about this specific incident that screams "racism"...given the circumstances it's easy to apply that viewpoint, though I don't think it's really there on the part of the cop.

___________________

exactly... why not cooperate & be on your way... this guy was playing the race card & didn't care that a neighbor thought his house was being broken into... but if it truly was, then he would be cryin' the police didn't do anything.

Posted by: tony325 | July 23, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Black republicans are worse than white ones too IMO."


I guess that includes Martin Luther King and Colin Powell.

They're both black republicans, too.

(INSERT image of Moe munching on oreos while reviewing the proper way to speak to police officiers--or another other dude with power and a gun-- with his children.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Condoleeza's main function was Barbie doll parades and knee-work...."


Condy?

Knee-work?

Let me go wash up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Who's to say black republican suck more or less than white republican? Something either sucks, or it doesn't. And all republicans suck. Steele doesn't suck more because he's black. He just sucks more and happens to be black.It's not a race thing, it's a suck thing. And man they suck!

Posted by: mack1 | July 23, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

... but the cop in the second video is a saint!

Posted by: clark202 | July 23, 2009 5:10 PM

I'm guessing the driver in the second video was a white guy (just a guess). From the accent, sounds like he could just as easily be from any of several New England states, including Massachusetts, maybe even from Cambridge, MA. I dunno though ... from his language, its possible that he could be interpreted to be interfering with an investigation ... can't tell whether he produced his ID.

p.s. I know that DMV means DC/MD/VA, but I just love the image about someone from the DMV losing it over parking enforcement.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Moe, MLK was a republican?

Cut that sh*t out. Nothing more than propaganda spreaded by the party you side with to gain votes in the '08 election.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I agree with you that Bush was pretty much a clueless figurehead, who was propped up by Cheney, and the rest of the GOP powerbrokers, and ALL of them got fat pockets from defense contractors, oil companies, and the banking industry just to name a few, the 8 years Bush was in office.

I too can't stand Condoleeza "Aunt Sally" Rice, Clarence"Sambo" Thomas, and Michael"Uncle Tom" Steele.

Yes Democrats are politicians and can spew empty promises as good as a Republican, but at least the Democrats at the very least give you the impression they have your best intrests at heart, the Republicans well they pretty much make it clear they don't give a s--t about you.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"
I guess that includes Martin Luther King and Colin Powell."

Show me proof, Moe, that MLK supported that apartheid Goldwater or racist d**khead Nixon or any other of the Repuke military/industrial sellout puppets??

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

LMAO @ Moe for posting that crap about MLK. I know you're a republican supporter and all, but that was nothing more than the GOP's attempt to gain black votes in the '08 election.

You know it, I know it. Cut that bs out, man.

Also, LMAO @ sween for calling out the irony in my DC parking enforcement rant.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Explains why MLK Jr. was an R ...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

guess that includes Martin Luther King and Colin Powell.

They're both black republicans, too.

(INSERT image of Moe munching on oreos while reviewing the proper way to speak to police officiers--or another other dude with power and a gun-- with his children.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse


True, MLK was a Republican--and George "No Segregation Ever" Wallace was a Democrat but prior to the civil rights movement of the 60's, most of the south voted Republican.

Somewhere along the line, democrats figured out how to exploit--sorry--"reach out" to the poor and African Americans started voting Democrat.

As far as Powell goes, the Republicans have alienated him beyond recognition. I guess they feel he has too much credibility to promote their message.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Not to distract from the race politics conversations,but have you guys been checking out the lavar show?

Imo it's a pretty good show.not alot of vitriol,and alot of indebt discussion.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | July 23, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

4th your right white reps are the worst

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I see that that link was kind of one-sided. WaPo gets reactions from all over the place.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801754.html

I thought that Dr. King did some jail time on felony charges though ... which would preclude him from voting I think.

Posted by: dcsween | July 23, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

No proof of nuthin', fille d with disinfo that doesn't cite sources, standard issue military/industrial Goebbels, though granted the Dems side of the One Business Party That Rules (you gonna call sellout Pelosi a Dem??) had plenty of racists like Byrd, the MIC needed (needs) slave poor soldiers to go do their imperial dirty work, thus the need for poor blacks to have the right to die for 'em..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

mack1, the proof is in the pudding.

You know what makes Michael Steele so f'n f'd up? He tries to front on who he is. He'll sell out just makes the "majority" side with him.

You are who you are until the day you die. No changing it, no matter how much you try and convince otherwise.

You know, what these sell out, skim milk drinking a-holes don't understand is, is that if the world fell to pieces and the "morals" of society were to collapse, people's true colors would show. There would be nothing to hold them back from doing and saying whatever they wanted.

I believe a lot of people are undercover racists, hell maybe even myself to a degree. We're just told that in todays society that it's not cool to be a racists and that we should hold hands and sing "The World Is A Rainbow".

Please.

I think white women are sexy just like all women. But if I were to marry one, do you know how many f'd up looks I'd get from black women, and white men? S**t, some white guys would probably try and jump me if we were just strolling in the park at night and they were passing us by.

People try and turn a blind eye to racism, but it's out there -- on a larger scale than you think.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

just to qualify, I was kidding about the black republican thing. I don't judge by race or party.

Sincerely, sammy Davis jr.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 23, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

No, what Etrod said, the segregated South was Democrat, but as soon as it became segregated , it became Republican, kinda like Nazi Germany where National Socialism was acceptable for the one race, apartheid and death for the rest..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

No, what Etrod said, the segregated South was Democrat, but as soon as it became INTEGRATED , it became Republican, kinda like Nazi Germany where National Socialism was acceptable for the one race, apartheid and death for the rest..

my bad..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

This whole Gates came about because of mistaken assumptions ... which reminds me of what Felix Unger once pointed out -- when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

*yawn*

Guy on the White Sox pitched a perfect game.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 23, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

tell it RED!

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to fan appreciation day?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Race fears are a very exploitable weapon for the ruling class to maintain separation (Willie Horton, the election of National Socialists recently in Britain attacking Pakis and Muslims, i.e.)..Gates was assaulted, it happens so often, what makes you right-wing apologists think otherwise??

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

News Flash!

According to Vinny, Mike Williams is down to 340.

Also...wait for it....."Inside the RedZone" (Vinny's show) returns to ESPN 980 next Friday. I know how exciting that must be for everyone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to fan appreciation day?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to go but every year it has a nasty habbit of falling on my annivesary weekend. Can never seem to talk Mrs. etrod into a romantic weekend in Ashburn

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | July 23, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I went for the first time last year, other than it being hot as hell, my family and I enjoyed it. Thinking about going this year.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 23, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The police officer in the Gates case had to know that he wasn't a perp - no perp wears country club leisure duds which is what Gates had on - even before he asked for any ID. The neighborhood is affluent and those living there almost always treat the police with extreme deference - after all, the police are being paid sthi wages to keep their ritzy possessions out of the hands of lowlifes, so the least they can do is bow and scrape when interaction occurs. Of course this didn't happen and when the wheels go off the rails the police are going assert control - you can never win a dick-standing contest with a policeman irrespective of what color you skin is.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I've lawyer friends that sayed, "Lawsuit is the best revenge"..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

which reminds me of what Felix Unger once pointed out -- when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 6:02 PM |

Good one.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Condy?

Knee-work?

Let me go wash up.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Like, doin' nuthin but war was George Bushes idea of diplomacy, the satanick Skull and Bones creep, and thats what Condy did, insure max profits for the MIC...She did knee-work for Putin IN THE SERVICE OF HER COUNTRY, to keep the angry Bear from invading Georgia and going...M****F**N' SHERMAN!!! *sic* a-12..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Ashburn, o Ashburn, let me count the ways I do not miss thee.

Lisa, thanks for the news flash on Mike Williams' weight. I'm happy for the guy, and I'm happy he's willing to put in the considerable effort to drop those pounds.

I'm NOT happy about the subtext of the weight watch: we're so desperate for help on the right side of our O line that we're hoping for a miracle, the miracle it will be if gigantic bust/two-years-out-of-the-league Mike Williams can give us something.

Hail to 'em and all that, of course.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 23, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I've lawyer friends that sayed, "Lawsuit is the best revenge"..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 6:35 PM |

The judges rule on law and the police enforce law. Good luck with anything like that.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = the party of Abe Lincoln
;)

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Dems + Repubs= Megalo-Corporate Business Party...You won't find too many outside of that in US office, totally controlled and fake democracy (or republic, if you like)..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

According to Vinny, several of our guys have been working out in AZ and are really getting in shape - seems like it is the O lineman - Mike Williams, Stephon Heyer, and Chris Samuels. They joked that Chris is so cut now he wants to walk around with his shirt off.

As for Mike Williams, the AZ facility provides him with prepackaged meals and he then works out relentlessly so that he is toning (and strenghening) while losing the weight.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 23, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Worst team nicknames in pro sports, my top 3

1. Buffalo Bills
I know what bills are. EVery month I'm paying them. Who likes bills?

2. Utah Jazz
Ummmmm, Jazz in Utah? Seriously, is there a less 'jazz' city in the lower 48? Just try naming a jazz musician from SLC.

3. Columbus Blue Jackets
Are we talking gang clothing or a type of bee I've never heard of? (OK, its an obscure civil war reference, but I bet you didn't know that)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 23, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm really glad to hear it, Lisa, since I hope it translates into Samuels' staying healthy and strong and Heyer's taking a big step forward (get it? for run blocking, hitherto an area of weakness for him, he runs forward).

Anything we get from Williams is gravy, in my opinion. (Even though it no longer seems to be the case that if you cut him, does he not bleed gravy.) This is not an Erasmus James situation where we've given something up in the gamble, aside from a preseason roster spot. Good luck to Mike Williams, good luck to us all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 23, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = the party of Abe Lincoln
;)

Posted by: p1funk | July 23, 2009 7:00 PM |

Lincoln freed the black man. Starting with Nixon in the 1960s the Repubican Party followed the Southern Strategy which was to tacitly pander to the racism of Southern whites. Somewhere along the line there was a pretty big disconect if you ask me.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

_stumped_


"...Guy on the White Sox pitched a perfect game..."

**yawn**


Thanks for having some perspective.

And about those Yanks and 1st place......

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Completely agree with your #1 choice, zeke, but for a different reason: Buffalo Bill got his nickname for doing his job, which was slaughtering buffalo.

That team has a picture of a buffalo as its helmet logo. If they're gonna have that mascot, their helmets should have a friggin' picture of Buffalo Bill shooting a buffalo. Yes, a dude shooting the animal that shares a name with the city that is the franchise's nominal home. Because that's who their mascot is. So incredibly stupid.

Which reminds me of course of e e cummings:

***

Buffalo Bill's

defunct

who used to

ride a watersmooth-silver

stallion

and break onetwothreefourfive pigeonsjustlikethat

Jesus

he was a handsome man

and what i want to know is

how do you like your blueeyed boy

Mister Death

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 23, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to Mike Williams, good luck to us all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 23, 2009 7:11 PM |

Thank you for that heart-warming sentiment, Tiny Tim.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"I know you're a republican supporter and all.."

I'm not a '..republican supporter..'

I'm just a guy who loves his country.


(INSERT images of flags, the Statue of Liberty, police officers, firemen, school children, and blonde soccer moms.)

I vote for the guy who've I've researched, studied, and come to agree with--regardless of party.

And before this 30 sec ad ends, I'm like us all to remember that again, regardless of party, getting the country straightened out for our children is the most important thing.

So important, that I demand Obama fix everything wrong with America before football season starts.

Otherwise, I won't be paying attention.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

LA Lakers- Where's the lake?? I know, MINNEAPOLIS!!
Maryland Terrapins- What kind of a freaks root for a turtle?? With the ridiculous Tracy-lookin' arrogant tortoise logo??
Richmond Spiders- What kinda creepy weirdo Uncle Fester shmuck..
Delaware Blue Hens- Perfect mascot for all you carnival sideshow geeks and freaks over there..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome, Jumbo. That's what I'm here for.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 23, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Christ(of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too

preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Lincoln was pushed also by social pressure to see the light of Emancipation, and was the Kennedys, like Cornel West said yesterday on Democracy Now, hopefully Obama will see the Light and step towards the People and away from Corporate Spite..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Your ignorance of American Political History is astounding Mr. Frak. Maybe you should stick with football. Oh, and yes we are a Republic and not a Democracy.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

e-duh-rich-

EAT THE RICH!!! on rye with salmon butter and hollandaise and salmonella and Brought To You By Chevy, whatev', drone..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Might I suggest you diversify your your sources of information. Democracy Now is hardly renowned for their unbiased reports on any and all subjects. LOL

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Relative to what, white male corporate drone-weasel-d*ck?? That pre digested cape hunting dog vomit they hurl down your gullet to make you warm and fat to be consumed by the War Worms?? You make good styrofoam filler, chawlie..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I know even them is spin, I can see within..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise- some ignorant loser who cant debate the facts but instead chooses to revert to personal attacks. I hold a Phd. in History, am a college professor and happen to have published two books on American political history in the south. What do you hold other than your boyfriends C**k. Oh no, you would have to take it out of your mouth first.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

White male corporate drone? My father is from Ghana and my mother is Indonesian you limp wrist.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Okay, WHITE MALE CORPORATE SLAVE DRONE, then, f'head tool of the extinction, probably a Mossader at Centcom, Go Kill Some East Timorese , youre still a flunkie tool, f' your academics, dumb***..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was a blog for folks who want to talk about Redskin football. Do we all really have to suffer with this guys personal attacks and useless ramblings. I mean really Dude- is it not possible for you to display some semblance of decency or do you just enjoy using big words to compensate for your physical shortcomings while making some mal-adjusted wanker out of yourself?

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

" We need to lose the fake academy-ism that emphasisizes test scores and getting ahead so-called professionalism over ethical considerations, which is what produced McNamara's brutal business-mentality that killed millions in Vietnam and lost the war."
-Howard Zinn

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

It IS a Redskin blog, though can't help but respond to vile commentary...How 'bout them Skins??..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Dude- is it not possible for you to display some semblance of decency or do you just enjoy using big words to compensate for your physical shortcomings while making some mal-adjusted wanker out of yourself?

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 9:14 PM |

Decency? A book man reading out Mr. Frak as a fudgepacker? How decent can that be?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Zinn is like Bernardine Dohrn or Mike Ruby or Bill Ayers man. They are intellectual creatures of the sixties. (Hell they are all part of that "Academic Fascism" you blog about now anyways). Mcnamara, for all his faults was no tool of the Military-Industrial complex gee. Read what he wrote about it. He made some bad mistakes for sure but his overriding concern was always the DOD's focus on communist expansionism and not corporate greed. --I am loving my defense this year. I am a UT graduate who lives in Tennessee and have watched Haynesworth play his whole career. Just wait and see what these folks are writing about up here after that first game when he throws dudes around like toys. He is a freaking animal.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry there Jumbo Jimbo but the man referred to me as Needle d**k and it just seemed like the thing to do.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

You gotta be jealous of Jeremy Jarmon.

The draft comes and goes in April, but you don't care as your plans are to play another season of college football while living on Madden '09, weightlifting, and ramen noodles.

You unwittingly take a banned substance found in a product you found in a drug store, and can't carry out your plans as the NCAA says your pee isn't clean enough for them to let you let them make money off you.

You're bummed and think, "Fail!" as you thought your dedication and perspiration to Ole' UK and the NCAA would be be returned in kind.

But you get selected in the third round of the supplemental draft and the mighty redskins, and guess what?: you're about to get paid enough to open up your own chain of drug stores.

What will you call them?: CVS? Rite Aid?

How 'bout: GotPaid-Mart?

Fail!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Byron W's spot on the practice squad seems inevitable despite a deep backfield which has been the catalyst to our "D",and as far as I'm concerned,entering the offseason is the best in the league.Kareem Moore for god's sakes is an untapped resource sitting at 4th on the depth chart.Westbrook has no chance of making the 53 man roster for the skins.

Posted by: mark65 | July 23, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"

Sorry there Jumbo Jimbo but the man referred to me as Needle d**k and it just seemed like the thing to do.

Posted by: ederic "

I'm not f'in responding to you CentCom outhouse-heads anymore..

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Westbrook is eligible for the practice squad, since he's already been on it for two years.

Byron will complete with Tryon for the fifth CB spot -- assuming the other CBs are: Hall, Rogers, Smoot, and Barnes.

Posted by: siris | July 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"Liberal Democracy is moving Towards Corporate Dictatorship"- John Pilger..."Fascism=Corporatism"- Mussolini...Mineta said that during the time that a plane was heading towards the Pentagon, an aide kept coming in to the war room saying to Cheney 30 miles out, "Do the orders still stand??", "20 miles out, "Do the orders still stand", 10 miles out "Do the orders still stand??" "OF COURSE THEY STILL STAND, HAVE YOU HEARD

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

censoring scum tools of the faSh neocon LOSERS

Posted by: frak | July 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I love the "MLK was a Republican" urban myth. King's wife and all his top lieutenants hold/held left of center views. His dad, MLK, Sr endorsed Jimmy Carter in 1976. MLK, Jr is on record strongly supporting affirmative action. One of his most trusted advisors, Bayard Rustin, was a gay rights activist (and therefore remained in the background of the civil rights movement, althought the FBI attempted to use a surveillance photo of MLK in a bathub with Rustin sitting nearby in a chair as "proof" of King's homosexuality).

Historical revisionism at its worst.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 23, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry there Jumbo Jimbo but the man referred to me as Needle d**k and it just seemed like the thing to do.

Posted by: ederic | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM |

I missed the post with the Needle d**k reference. I know it might be hard to do but I would just ignore his ranting. He probably thinks his Joycean stream of consciousness posturing is clever but it gets de trop real fast.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 24, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

You unwittingly take a banned substance found in a product you found in a drug store, and can't carry out your plans as the NCAA says your pee isn't clean enough for them to let you let them make money off you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2009 9:50 PM |

Every schmuck who fails a drug test has a story to tell. The "I got it in a drug store" is one of the more prosaic and unimaginative ones. Sort of ranks up there with the old "you can get it from toilet seat" scare story as debauched urban myth.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 24, 2009 2:27 AM | Report abuse

The "I got it in a drug store" is one of the more prosaic and unimaginative ones. Sort of ranks up there with the old "you can get it from toilet seat" scare story as debauched urban myth.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 24, 2009 2:27 AM |

Caffeine is a banned substance. You can get it at McDonald's.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 6:13 AM | Report abuse

"Every schmuck who fails a drug test has a story to tell.

I failed a drug test once.

The test question was, "Spell pot."

I wrote: w-e-e-d

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad joke groan to a background of shouts declaring, "See, story-telling schmucks like him are why it shouldn't be legal.")

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse


JumboJimbo

"Every schmuck who fails a drug test has a story to tell. The "I got it in a drug store" is one of the more prosaic and unimaginative ones.

I get you, but check this story out.

Maybe Jarmon is not telling a story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/sports/24steroids.html?_r=1&ref=sports


Maybe Jarmon is not telling a story.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Before I tred out to VA, Red - Don't talk smack about Steele. He grew up in my old Neighborhood of Petworth NW. Lives in the Murder Cap of the DMV - PG County. And his sister used to be married to Mike Tyson.

I wouldn't talkl trash about him or he'll have mike bite your ear off....

I'm out..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 24, 2009 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Jarmon is not telling a story.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 6:42 AM

And if he is telling a story, so what? Only story he can tell that matters is the one he will write on the field as a Redskin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

"...And if he is telling a story, so what?"

Amen.

I've moved on past hating on sports drug cheats.

Most folks have.

Proof: Look at how all those gutless Dodgers' fans who hated on M Ramirez early on in the baseball season now slurp up everything he does without a thought about what he did to piss them off in the first place.

And in Jarmon's case, his misfortune has become our fortune--especially if he's the run stopping left end folks say he is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Somewhere along the line, democrats figured out how to exploit--sorry--"reach out" to the poor and African Americans started voting Democrat.

As far as Powell goes, the Republicans have alienated him beyond recognition. I guess they feel he has too much credibility to promote their message.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2009 5:42 PM

Someone has actually looked at facts....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 24, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

alan4


"...MLK, Jr is on record strongly supporting affirmative action..."


I hate to get all historical on you, but you do realize it was the Nixon administration that took up King's support for Affirmative Action as a way to solve the nation's racial disparities.

Nixon's crew didn't like all the fraud and waste that was evident in the administration of Johnson's "Great Society" and felt if the government and businesses used 'set-asides' and 'quotas' to guarantee employment for blacks and white women, it would do wonders to improve things.

I'll stop there.

History is another one of them rabbit-holes I like to run through.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

wow, I got nothing........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Lawyers are the justaguys of the post-high school world. Who in their right mind would want to go to school for two additional years to be able to discuss subsection 6, paragraph 2 of section 22 of public law 4211?

After 40 years of lawyering up the economy, we now have way too many lawyers. So we take the stupid ones [with the winning smiles and ability to remember your name] and turn them into politicians.

And you think one set of morons is better than the other? That one side can keep it in their pants better than the other? That one side is SuperSmart, and the other thinks stupidly?

When was the last time you recall one of them taking a principled stand on an issue that was likely to cause them to lose their job?

Posted by: daggar | July 24, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow - daggar comin' back strong.

I have to say, I like how our little community is right on point with the hot topics of the day.

I noticed this morning's press coverage was similar to our discussions yesterday evening.

Who says ThRedskins are an uncultured lot?! WTG peeps!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

wow, I got nothing........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 8:03 AM

Really? This is a first. You're finally willing to let go of the Antonio Pierce shabingus? Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

http://www.prisoncoach.com/

Possibly one of the most creative entrepreneurial enterprises I've ever seen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Really? This is a first. You're finally willing to let go of the Antonio Pierce shabingus? Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 8:18 AM

Seeing how you just brought it up, looks like you're clutching it a little tight too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

etrod - that's awesmoe!

"webinars covering aspects of incarceration, hands-on programs, family services, specific seminars targeting financial institutions, attorneys, politicians and entertainment industry"

...white collar only need apply... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow people were busy after 5:00
For the Record MLKJ was neither a R or D, not according to our standards today, and I have heard many argue that he in all likelihood today would be part of a 3rd party as neither ideology today is pro-civil rights or anti-military like King was.

I know quite a few people who were very close to him, and have heard a hand full of first hand stories. 1 in particular who's father was a major political leader in New Mexico, she has told me many stories about the late nights MLKJ, Bobby Kennedy and her father would spend together planing moves for the civil rights movement.

If he was registered republican at the time, well I think it would not shock me. It was his movement that resulted in the last grate ideology shift. But I think he was as all true progressives are, willing to work with whoever was at the table, regardless of political affiliation.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Only 6 more days untill the fun starts!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | July 24, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoSvEZ0sbAnmmYAyIzS80cA5nYcB?slug=jc-haynesworth072409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


“I love football,” he said. “It’s the only thing you can do and not get arrested for f-ing up somebody.”

Redskins # 92 A. Haynesworth

Very much looking forward to seeing him in full pads!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | July 24, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Alex, thanks for raising the bar in this shameful spectacle of a blog with an intelligent post.

Posted by: McMetal | July 24, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

If Martin Luther King Jr were alive today one thing is for sure, I don't think he would align himself with a party that has the out going governor of Alaska, Mrs"Ya Betcha" as one of it's supposed top level representatives. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the post, Stu.

Seeing that pic of #92 with Jeff Fisher reminded me of a random thought I had a couple days ago: how nice would it be if he finally got the axe in Tennessee and reunited with Haynesworth in D.C.? Now THAT would be a hire I could get behind!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Well now let me bring it back down for you moe.

HEY YALL WHATS GOIN ON ON THIS SIDE!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I missed the post with the Needle d**k reference. I know it might be hard to do but I would just ignore his ranting. He probably thinks his Joycean stream of consciousness posturing is clever but it gets de trop real fast.

Posted by: JumboJimbo

Ah, f*** youre Jumbo condescending posturing. My mom worked for SCLC and MLK, Abernathy, Barry the whole crew, yeah the Dems in the South were National Socialist, freedom and rights for the white race only, but MLK transcended political party, dropped out of Heaven , like Hendrix the Paratrooper...

As for my "Joycean stream of consciousness posturing", I think it's more Budwieserian, anything to break the sub-reptilian ennui of the summa doldrums..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me how so many poor people think that the Democrats actually want to help them. The truth is they need to keep you poor so that they can continue show everyone how bad things are because of the evil upper class. Here's a little secret...they ARE the upper class and they like it that way.

Also, Republicans may not care about the black community but at least they don't act like they do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Can you use Budweiser and ennui in the same sentence? I think I popped a blood vessel in my head.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Also, Republicans may not care about the black community but at least they don't act like they do."

Both partys care enough about the black community to pour drugs into the ghettos, for mad profits, the prison industrial complex, remove voters through felony and slow genocide!!

Just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

http://www.prisoncoach.com/

Possibly one of the most creative entrepreneurial enterprises I've ever seen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. I got a copy of classes being offered:

101 - White-collar Geek to White-supremacist Gang: Finding Protection on the Inside through Gang Membership

201 - That's Not My Soap!: Surviving the Shower

301 - Do you know what a "shank" is?: Prison Vocabulary

401 - Needle and a No. 2 Pencil: Making Friends through the Art of the Jailhouse Tat

Posted by: p1funk | July 24, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher has a strange haircut. He's got one of those Craig T. Nelson from "Coach" block cuts. What's up with that?

But he can coach. I remember against the Skins in TEN one year (Martyball?) he realized that if he went 3 wide and ran Jeff George between the tackles he'd get 5 yards. George did that the entire second half. I always figured a smart coach would keep doing stuff that was successful and and stop calling plays that weren't. None of this "I know what I do works" crap. Norv, it wasn't working. You moron.


BTW Nelson is a wingnut... here is an actual quote: "I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No!"

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 24, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

My Kingdom for a change of subject.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

But he can coach. I remember against the Skins in TEN one year (Martyball?) he realized that if he went 3 wide and ran Jeff George between the tackles he'd get 5 yards. George did that the entire second half. I always figured a smart coach would keep doing stuff that was successful and and stop calling plays that weren't. None of this "I know what I do works" crap. Norv, it wasn't working. You moron.


Posted by: dpc2003 | July 24, 2009 9:47 AM

Calling TE, calling TE……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think you mean Eddie George, dpc2003.

But Fisher is an elite coach. One of the few that might actually have a chance to succeed in spite of the Redskins FO. Maybe...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

To answer Daggar's question about the last time that a politician took a principled stand - (at least a President) - Gerald Ford, probably, when he pardoned Richard Nixon - whether you think it was a correct decision or not, his political people probably had to be totally bats**t when he did that, as they KNEW he wouldn't have a chance of winning in 1976 once he pardoned the man.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 24, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 24, 2009 9:47 AM
Calling TE, calling TE……
Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 9:51 AM

Sorry TE, brownie beat you to it…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Our defense has solid depth. Snidely and Cerrrrrrrrato going for the Pittsburgh jugular effect..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone in favor of giving Vick a chance with the Skins?

I think the Skins make the most sense out of any other teams.. Reason....

Close to home.

Push Campbell to maybe work little harder.

We have no solid #2 QB. Not that Vick would be but can't hurt.

If Campbell doesn't work out and Vick returns to form he would be a nice asset for next year.. Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Brown,
Hear hear on Fisher great sold old school coach.
My guesses as to what will happen.

The teams a success and nothing happens.

If the team fails miserably, Vinny and Zorn are gone and either Bill Cower or another big name head coach comes in and we blow up the team.

If the team goes between 7-9 games I have a somewhat crazy prediction. Vinny is gone. Zorn is demoted to Offensive Coordinator, Mike Holmgeern becomes GM and Shanahan becomes head coach.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on Vick....not worth the trouble...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"101 - White-collar Geek to White-supremacist Gang: Finding Protection on the Inside through Gang Membership"

Part of the worldwide "gangsterization of society" plan. Hell's Angels? (with chapters worldwide)-government distribution unit (also attacked anti-war hippies, broke up Altamont in 60's). MS-13?(founded by CIA Salvadoran contras)-government distribution unit. Watch "Gangland" on History Channel, and read between the lines..The Naked Lunch on the end of your fork..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Vinny is gone. Zorn is demoted to Offensive Coordinator, Mike Holmgeern becomes GM and Shanahan becomes head coach.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I'll have wat alex is having.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

If the team goes between 7-9 games I have a somewhat crazy prediction. Vinny is gone. Zorn is demoted to Offensive Coordinator, Mike Holmgeern becomes GM and Shanahan becomes head coach.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM


That IS crazy.

Only because Holmgren is gonna want to wear both hats, GM and Head Coach. And even though they come from the same coaching tree, we don't know the working relationship between Holmgren and Shanahan.

Plus, when a coach is fired it's rare he stays with the organization in any capacity. Especially not someone without much of a track record like Zorn.

And folks need to forget about Cowher. Won't happen. He's a Marty protege and the way the Redskins did him will count against them. I sincerely think Cowher is waiting out the Panthers job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

No on Vick. I just don't see him fitting in the team. I could see him being very useful for some teams, but Zorn is anti-wildcat.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"If the team goes between 7-9 games I have a somewhat crazy prediction. Vinny is gone. Zorn is demoted to Offensive Coordinator, Mike Holmgeern becomes GM and Shanahan becomes head coach. Posted by: alex35332"

I think you can safely remove the 'somewhat'.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 24, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I'll have wat alex is having.
Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 10:04 AM

Same here. And I agree with whoever said the other day that Shanahan is the most overrated coach that’s out there. He took over a talent laden Broncos and just rode Elway and TD to the super bowl. With Elway gone, what has he done? Zip…..All they needed to do last year was win one of their last three games to clinch a playoff spot (and that’s with the ref’s giving them the 1st game against the Chargers) and they couldn’t do it……I wouldn’t be sad to get Holmgren, but No thanks to Shanahan. And for the record, unless the Skins go 1-15 I would like to see Zorn be here for at least a 3rd year…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I said it was crazy, and I know that it would never happen.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

No on Vick. I just don't see him fitting in the team. I could see him being very useful for some teams, but Zorn is anti-wildcat.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone talk about Vick and the Wildcat. I don't get it.. Why not a No. 2 QB???

Todd Collins is 1 hit away from breaking a hip he is so old... For the Vet min.. Vick would be a great back up option. Better that a Leftwich at 3 mil per that you all were discussing in the spring..

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

""Also, Republicans may not care about the black community but at least they don't act like they do."

I think it was the father of Rep. JC Watts, former Oklahoma QB, who said: "a black man voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 24, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Whoops Eddie George... my bad.

I liked the Barnes pick. He's smart and a hitter.

Alex... what about Holmgren makes you think he'd be a good GM? I'm not knocking, just want to know.

Some of the best GM's (Beathard, Young, Newsome) were never coaches. For all the wailing, gnashing of teeth, etc. on here about V. Cerrato, his record is about average as a GM.

Hahahaha...

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 24, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

We don't need Vick because our current #3 QB is the second coming of John Elway.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Vick would be a great back up option

Vick isn't a great qb to start with slim....so not sure how he'd be a great back up option.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone talk about Vick and the Wildcat. I don't get it.. Why not a No. 2 QB???

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:12 AM

Because he's got a career 75.7 QB rating. Because he struggles to complete half his passes. And that was mostly in a West Coast offense, which is what is run here.

People forget that before the dogfighting came to light, he was at a crossroads in his career from an on-field standpoint. He's a brilliant athlete, but a lousy QB. The Wildcat is the best thing to happen to him because a team might give him a chance just on the endless possibilities that formation gives him. He'll pass it better than any RB, and run it just as well.

Plus he hasn't played a down of organized ball since 2006. Dude's gotta get back into football shape before he's worth anything, and as a part-time player in the Wildcat for the vet minimum is his best shot.

If he doesn't like that, he's already been drafted by the UFL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

before someone gets mad, I left off Young et. al. were never HEAD coaches in the NFL.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 24, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Vick would be a great back up option

Vick isn't a great qb to start with slim....so not sure how he'd be a great back up option.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Did Vick or Campbell make it to the pro bowl?

Did Vick or Campbell take a team the the NFC Championship game?

Both with less talent than the Redskins have on either side of the ball.

I just think there is more reward than risk in signing him for the min.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Slimbo,

People talk about it because Vicks play was part of what inspired the wildcat. I don't think you pick him up to play a no 2 QB, because you don't want your backup to be that mobile unless your no. 3 is ready to come in at a moments notice and you got a lot of confidence in him.

We all know that the second Vick takes off running a handful of guys on the other side of the filed will be looking to hit him in order to inflict pain, not just to take him down but to break bones, to cheep shot him.

Do you want that mark on your no 2 QB's head?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

One positive to Vick as a backup: He would completely SJK up the other team's game plan if he came in.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

slim, is your argument based on who made it to the pro-bowl? Really?

Oh and now we're judging people on making it to the NFC championship game?? Then Donovan must be other-worldly because he's the MASTER at accomplishing that.....

He's a mediocre qb, and has been out of football for 2 years.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Get Vick. the guy is a great football player .if he's close to being the same athlete he was before going to jail, i think it's a no-brainer. Atl thought he was wworth 100 mil before he went inside. i think we could spare the vet minimum. mike vick will be a great nfl player again.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

dpc2003,
I don't think he would be a good GM, probably a better one then Vinny. I just remember reading interviews with him and it sounds like the GM duties were what he misses more during the draft and whatnot.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

slim, is your argument based on who made it to the pro-bowl? Really?

Oh and now we're judging people on making it to the NFC championship game?? Then Donovan must be other-worldly because he's the MASTER at accomplishing that.....

He's a mediocre qb, and has been out of football for 2 years.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

No, but you say his isn't good. So what does that make Campbell? 13 td's last year?? Come on... My point is that for the VET MIN. to have him as a back up or just on the roster this year to potentially win the job next year can't hurt! Campbell may suck again this year and then we have NO QB. Atleast Vick would have a year back with a team practicing etc. LOW RISK.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Did Vick or Campbell make it to the pro bowl?

Did Vick or Campbell take a team the the NFC Championship game?

Both with less talent than the Redskins have on either side of the ball.

I just think there is more reward than risk in signing him for the min.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:23 AM


Don't use Pro-Bowls as an argument: Riggins is a Hall of Famer and made only one. I'm not sure many here would disagree that London Fletcher is a better MLB than Al Wilson, yet Fletcher has never made a Pro-Bowl. Vick got voted in because of his running exploits, not his passing.

And I fully resent any time someone attributes team achievements to one player. By that logic, Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl and Dan didn't. Just foolishness.

Vick has won in this league, I'll grant you that. But never consistently and never without help.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"He's a mediocre qb, and has been out of football for 2 years."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Don't think you can pigeonhole Vick into any normal QB category. A totally dynamic scrambler owning most QB rushing records. He'll get work, after the usual NFL war attrition starts during the season.

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

teams will have to gameplan during the week for vick as long as he wears a uni. that leaves less time to gameplan for things that we have been installing since last year and never used.

by the way, let's not understate Vick's skill set he would be the best athlete on the team day 1. he would be the fastest qb on the roster, with arm strength that should rival if not trump campbell's. he struggled with accuracy, but by all accounts so has campbell. he's a playmaker (one of the main indictments against campbell) i'd luv to see vick in an offense with cp26,cc47,with Moss and DT11 on the outside.

all that being said, JC's my qb, but we should all think that Vick is a better option at backup than any of our backups( put aside your differences; it's football, remember the titans)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

talking about picking up vick = power rankings....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Forget Vick. Get Tebow next year, if that is your offensive direction.

Looking for "Fat Albert" and Mike "I can't believe I ate the wholw thing" Williams to devour the Gi-nots and the Sowboys.


Posted by: changer1 | July 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse


Don't use Pro-Bowls as an argument: Riggins is a Hall of Famer and made only one. I'm not sure many here would disagree that London Fletcher is a better MLB than Al Wilson, yet Fletcher has never made a Pro-Bowl. Vick got voted in because of his running exploits, not his passing.

And I fully resent any time someone attributes team achievements to one player. By that logic, Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl and Dan didn't. Just foolishness.

Vick has won in this league, I'll grant you that. But never consistently and never without help.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

No, I am comparing Vick to what we have. a 13 td's QB in Campbell. Again, it's about getting better as a team and Vick can only help. If his skills have diminished then we cut him or whatever but I think there is more upside that not having him on the team. He is going to be more motivated than anyone else trying to prove himself as a QB again. He has had 2 years of reading all this crap about him.

He is a local guy with a lot of talent. Bring him into camp and see what he's got.. Bottom line.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

NO VICK. We don't need a felon who murders dogs. Besides, he never was that good of a QB. Overrated, felon/dog killer. No thanks.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Campbell may suck again this year and then we have NO QB. Atleast Vick would have a year back with a team practicing etc. LOW RISK.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:31 AM

This ain't Madden...you don't bring in a guy off the street who hasn't played in 2 years in favor of guys who have been in the system since Day 1. While Vick is better than the guys behind Campbell, he's not as PREPARED. And that's more important than anything in the NFL.

And it's definitely NOT low risk. From a financial standpoint maybe, but not from a production standpoint. All of a sudden, Redskins training camp becomes a media circus and if anything has been proven in the last decade here, it's that this team is guaranteed to suck when everyone is talking about them. The Skins best hope for 2009 is to stay under the radar and hope they can catch some people sleepin' on 'em.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Vick might be scary for the Steelers...He'd work here , too, I think...Thats an ugly shadow, though..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You all want to compare Vick to JC, Lets look at a few interesting stats.

Vick's first year he played all 16 games in his career whas 2006 (his last year before going to jail) That was also the first year JCamp started any games for the skins, playing in 7 games.

Jason Campbell had a better completion %, QB rating, he had a better yards per game and almost an identical total in TD's and Int's.

If you compare JC last year vs Vicks last year in the NFL Jcamp is better in almost every catigory except his TD's and Rushing yards (obviously).

Its not like Jcamp can't run either the guy averages 5 yards a run.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Again, it's about getting better as a team and Vick can only help. If his skills have diminished then we cut him or whatever but I think there is more upside that not having him on the team. He is going to be more motivated than anyone else trying to prove himself as a QB again.

He is a local guy with a lot of talent. Bring him into camp and see what he's got.. Bottom line.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't know where to start with this post, so much good stuff: 1) he can ONLY help?? really? the guy's been out of the game for 2 years. I'm sure the Falcons thought a few years ago that a 25 yr old QB with on NFC Champ game under his belt already could ONLY help. 2) IF his skills have diminished? I don't think you understand how big of a gap 2 years is in a sport like football. It is not a matter of if they have diminished, but how much - a lot or a ton. 3) He's a local guy with a lot of talent...actually he's a Tidewater guy with a lot of baggage. At 29, talent/upside tend to lose weight, especially after you have been convicted of a felony as heinous as his. This guy is pure trouble. I think his contrition is inversely proportional to his bank account. Screw Vick, I don't want a guy I despise so much anywhere near a team I love so much

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Alex. And Slimbo is talking like Vick threw for 30 friggin' TDs before he got locked up. Dude has never thrown more than 20. If JC plays all 16 games, I guarantee he's throwing more than 13 TDs this year...his job depends on it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Nixon's crew didn't like all the fraud and waste that was evident in the administration of Johnson's "Great Society" and felt if the government and businesses used 'set-asides' and 'quotas' to guarantee employment for blacks and white women, it would do wonders to improve things.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 7:27 AM |

Hitler did wonders to improve the German economy too. Here's a better take on how the Nixon Adminstration treated African Americans:

Starting with Nixon in the 1960s the Repubican Party followed the Southern Strategy which was to tacitly pander to the racism of Southern whites.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | July 23, 2009 7:13 PM |

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

vick has better numbers than any qb we currently have and has won bigger games than anyone on our team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Compaird to JC Vick is also a turnover machine.

Vick averages, 1.65 interceptions and 1.28 fumbles with .68 lost a game, with 4.35 sacks a game.

Campbell averages, .64 interceptions and .58 fumbles with .25 lost a game, with 183 sacks a game.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

A totally dynamic scrambler owning most QB rushing records. He'll get work, after the usual NFL war attrition starts during the season.

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 10:33 AM

Probably not. Because he's a weak passer and a good runner, he doesn't fit into any team's offense. To use him effectively, you need to install plays for him in preseason, not in week eight. He won't be at the top of any GM's list of guys to call when the QB gets hurt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Is there anyone on the Skin's offense that an opposing team FEARS or has to spend a lot of time game planning for?

Other than, double Moss, HELL NO!

As lethargic, pathetic, and speed/home run challenged as this offense is at this time, Vick couldn't hurt.

And forget his past, the man has paid his debt to society, and it can't be anymore questionable or controversial than any other personnel move Danny has made.

Plus Danny's making money and shouldn't be worried about taking a financial hit, after all
these are the Washington Redskins,
and it would be close to home for Vick and he would be with his former Tech teamate, D.Hall. I say bring him on!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

This guy is pure trouble. I think his contrition is inversely proportional to his bank account. Screw Vick, I don't want a guy I despise so much anywhere near a team I love so much

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 10:48 AM |

U da man LMG.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

vick has better numbers than any qb we currently have and has won bigger games than anyone on our team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 10:55 AM

He's also lost more games than anyone on our team. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Also, let's make it clear, Vick, would not be on the team to challenge JC, just a situational/package offensive weapon, and maybe returner.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

vick has better numbers than any qb we currently have and has won bigger games than anyone on our team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Vick is a dynamic player, but in terms of pure QB number, not really, never thrown for 3,000 yards a QB completion percentage that would have been great for the 40's but never above 56%.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

logic has left the building......wow...ufb with the vick talk....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Lawyers are the justaguys of the post-high school world. Who in their right mind would want to go to school for two additional years to be able to discuss subsection 6, paragraph 2 of section 22 of public law 4211?

Posted by: daggar | July 24, 2009 8:06 AM

Supersmart University of Michigan grad who got rejected for law school ... [wink, wink, I got your back, cload, but proportionally, there are fewer lawyers in the federal legislative bodies than there have been in a long long while ... lots more entreprenurial doctors though ...]

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

2) IF his skills have diminished? I don't think you understand how big of a gap 2 years is in a sport like football. It is not a matter of if they have diminished, but how much - a lot or a ton.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

So you completely undertand how much his skills have diminished becasue you are a talent evaluator and you have worked him out recently right?

No you big Stupid.

Thant's what Camp is for. Bring him in. See what he has.. Not all this stupid speculation based on a bunch on bloggers.. come on..

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

72
I understand that Vick " only wants to play QB, and only wants to be a starter. "

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

A Review of Redskin Training Camp Issues:

a. Is the 'hype' true?: Malcolm Kelly's/Devin Thomas' play will shock and awe.

b. Bridges v. Heyer v. Williams: right tackle--who starts, who backs up, who needs more time to get in shape.

c. Kevin Barnes v. Fred Smoot: can the 'mouth from the South' keep the terp young'n off the field?

d. B.O.= no smell, just the hope that Brian Orakpo is signed and in camp ready t play

e. Wil Montegomery v. Edwin Williams= who backs up Rabach?

f. Finally: Jason Campbell--does a second go-round in the same offense (a change for him, no doubt) hint at success?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Also, let's make it clear, Vick, would not be on the team to challenge JC, just a situational/package offensive weapon, and maybe returner.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I'd be OK with that if not for one thing. This is DC. People would start calling for Vick as soon as JC threw one int. JC doesn't need that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant the team doesn't need that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Vick is a dynamic player, but in terms of pure QB number, not really, never thrown for 3,000 yards a QB completion percentage that would have been great for the 40's but never above 56%.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

just said numbers. take his 06 season add up his 2400 passing yd and his 1000 rush yds and u get ur 3000yds of offense. he also had22 total tds to 15 total tos

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I love the 'vick will be a returner' school of thought.. sounds great, lets put him in a position that he's never done before....thats winning football right there...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Vick deserves to be signed, but unless we plan on changing the WCO' then he is not a good fit here. The WCO' was one of Vick's problems and criticisms in Atlanta.

Zorn already has to make adjustments for Campbell with his preciouse WCO and he would have to do even more if we signed Vick.

The West Coast Offense requires quick release decisions and both Campbell and Vick like to hold the ball until the receiver breaks free. A flaw, especially in the WCO.

In the WCO, the receiver is the key and the QB must trust that the receiver will be on the spot for quick release throws.

Campbell has to be more proficient at this for the short/medium passes as well as throwing deep early in the play rather than waiting on when he thinks the reciever is clear.

However, in both cases JC/MV, there ability to scramble can aleviate this flaw, but only if they are conscious of this added dimension and it is incorporated into the WCO by Zorn.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 24, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Probably not. Because he's a weak passer and a good runner, he doesn't fit into any team's offense. To use him effectively, you need to install plays for him in preseason, not in week eight. He won't be at the top of any GM's list of guys to call when the QB gets hurt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

He'd fit right into a team with a scrambler (like Garcia or Romo) or with chaos-ready receivers (like Pittsburgh). The Cleveland Dawg Pound might have fun with him..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

alex

"Vick is a dynamic player,..."


Verb tense issue.

"Vick was a dynamic player..." is more like it.

And I doubt any team will take him on as most like going into camp with their rosters set and free of distractions.

Vick should sit out this year, show some contrition, and hope to make a team during the off season where the benefit of OTAs will let him become an effective member of a team and not a media distraction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

d. B.O.= no smell, just the hope that Brian Orakpo is signed and in camp ready t play

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:04 AM

DE? SLB?

g. How many of last year's rookie class will be on the roster after camp this year?

h. Justin Tryon -- Still tryin' or Justin done?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

First, Vick needs to understand he just can't come back and be a starter, I can understand him just wanting to be a QB, but to think he's just going to come back and automaticlly supplant someone and be a starter, I think that's unrealistic.
After sometime maybe, surely not right off the bat.

Second, if JC starts f---ing up I thought everyone would be hollering for Colt, what about him?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

just said numbers. take his 06 season add up his 2400 passing yd and his 1000 rush yds and u get ur 3000yds of offense. he also had22 total tds to 15 total tos

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

OKAY we want to do math, lets do some math

Vick Passing + Rushing =3513 yards
Campbell Passing+ Rushing= 3503 yards

So yes a whopping 10 yards, he is the second coming of Sammy Baugh.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

talking about picking up vick = power rankings ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 10:37 AM

I'm 100% with Greg about this. Let's start doing our power rankings (or talking about the Big Media "experts'" power rankings). Once he's allowed back, Vick is going to be a starter somewhere, and there are plenty of desperate somewheres. The Park in Assburn is not one of those somewheres.

[btw to Greg, sorry about my harshness yesterday ... it was not about the content of the discussion, it was about the attempt to shut it down (like that there was any chance of that happening up here anyway). Anyway, sorry if I became a late afternoon dcik ... hope it did require a re-shuffling of the bonus points.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

.....vick should sit out this year, show some contrition, not be a media distraction, become a good team member, bow his head, shuffle his feet, not look anyone in the eye, and declare himself a Black Rebublican.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Moe,
when I was saying "Vick is a dynamic player" I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and being politically polite, its a bad habit I get from generations of politicians in my family, at best I think he is 50/50 NFL talent now.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

72
I understand that Vick " only wants to play QB, and only wants to be a starter. "

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Could Vick play as 3rd WR? And if no one else is offering him a position at QB, would he play wr?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

dc, no harm, no foul, good stuff all around.

How about just some 'rational', and realistic football talk??

Curious to see how Brady responds this year coming back from knee surgery.....what say you??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

bean

"...wow, I got nothing..."


Well, you have Adam Larouche.

There's the extra bat/versitile player the Sawx need.

An as a redskin fan living in Beantown, the return of Tom Brady to the pats' sideline should give a vicarious thrill.

And I bet for all the hate-on-Manny folks living in Boston, I bet they look towards dodgerland and think, "Well, maybe we should've kept the guy on the team after all."

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Second, if JC starts f---ing up I thought everyone would be hollering for Colt, what about him?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:10 AM

This year Colt is going to lead the Horns to a national title. Next year he will join the Skins and do his thang for tham.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

b. Bridges v. Heyer v. Williams: right tackle--who starts, who backs up, who needs more time to get in shape.

...

e. Wil Montegomery v. Edwin Williams= who backs up Rabach?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:04 AM

dcsween says that they head into the season again without a backup center and hold onto Heyer, Bridges, and Williams due to indecision (and hope one of them can back up at center or guard in a pinch ... and if that pinch arrives, it will only last till the end of that game, at which point someone or some picks will be traded the next day for a guy ready to start at center).

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh and if we also want to compair numbers Mike Vick had 16 turnovers in 2006 to JC's 7

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Second, if JC starts f---ing up I thought everyone would be hollering for Colt, what about him?

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 24, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If Vick's not here, everyone will be hollering for Colt. But Vick would create a legitimate controversy. Colt may be the second coming of John Elway but he's never started a game in the NFL so you can't really make a good arguement in favor of him unless Campbell is really f--ing up. Vick, on the other hand, has had some success in the league and would seem like a more viable choice, thus Campbell would be on a shorter leash.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Vick Passing + Rushing =3513 yards
Campbell Passing+ Rushing= 3503 yards

So yes a whopping 10 yards, he is the second coming of Sammy Baugh.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

just said better, but thz for the math. btw anything on those 20 passing tds vs jc having never THROWN for more than 13

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Just Say No To Vick

(But say 'yes' to roster stability, consistency, and avoiding 'big splashy moves')

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Brady's the best quarterback. But, I wonder how well he'd do outside of Belichek's offensive line..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, sorry if I became a late afternoon dcik ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:12 AM |

You a all day dick. Nobody wants to walk behind you and pick up your poop.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Curious to see how Brady responds this year coming back from knee surgery.....what say you??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:16 AM

Its going to be a while till the Pat's O-line gets sorted out. Even with a year protecting Cassel, I'm thinking their another year older and still exposed as of that Super Bowl loss to the Giants ... that line is older than the Skins. Someone is going to be replaced (b/c Belly does depth) ... so its going to be a rocky start for Brady and the Pats. Not sure what their early season schedule is like, but the Jets and the Dolphins are going to be way better in relative terms. I'm still surprised at the retirement-ready FA pickups by the Pats this year (Springs, Paris Lenon, Joey Galloway).

Also, where did Fred Taylor end up?

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

btw anything on those 20 passing tds vs jc having never THROWN for more than 13

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse


Offset by the additional nine turnovers committed by Vick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

moe, yeah, I'm not sure they're done dealing yet, I'm hearing tings...maybe they're making a push for doc...we'll see...

manny had to go....there just wasn't an option with that, it wasn't happening here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

we can also talk about the 30 plays over 20 yds and 8 plays over 40yds he was responsible for that year, ok. people wanted to ship out JC (all of a sudden eveyone's fave qb) for cutler a "playmaking" qb but wanna look down their noses at one of the best playmaking qbs in recent history? it's rough out here for a brutha

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

dc, Fragile Fred ended up with the pats

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We can also say 43 sacks with a good line in 06 how many that gonna equal behind our patch work?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

now i have to look up the 06 falcons whole o-line. i think david carr got sacked like 60 times in one season, he still gets backup work.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Offset by the additional nine turnovers committed by Vick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
he's just tryin to make plays like the great brett favre

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Only story he can tell that matters is the one he will write on the field as a Redskin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 7:11 AM

t_e, waxing eloquent.

I dunno, waxing eloquent to this crowd is like feeding caviar to a yak. It's a waste of good food and the yak still poops the same poopage.

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:12 AM |

You a all day dick. Nobody wants to walk behind you and pick up your poop.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 11:21 AM

good one.

also, to lilhollywood, re: Falcons line ... I dunno about Vick/Carr, but their current O-line is money ... and the reason that Matt Ryan was able to be such a stud last year.

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

now i have to look up the 06 falcons whole o-line. i think david carr got sacked like 60 times in one season, he still gets backup work.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Yeah, put him and Ramsey together and you might scrape together a clue...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

being able to get vick at the vet min or close to it would be a steal. his last contract was for 100 mil. the reward outweighs the risk. you don't bring him in as the starting qb guys. he'll miss 4 games off the break, after that he's gotta learn the offense ( the same one it's taken the rest of the team a year to learn)and then challenge for a starting job. in the meantime, all types of gadgetry in the backfield. he could be the big play type of guy we lacked last year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

waxing thong lines

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Of all the vile, nasty things ever posted up here ... the historically worst thing ever posted was whoever it was that said "Gregg Williams in a thong" ... that image haunts my nightmares to this day.

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Not that they're not tough...Ramsey got sacked brutal his time here, call him "Potato"..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

dcsween says that they head into the season again without a backup center and hold onto Heyer, Bridges, and Williams due to indecision (and hope one of them can back up at center or guard in a pinch ... and if that pinch arrives, it will only last till the end of that game, at which point someone or some picks will be traded the next day for a guy ready to start at center).

Posted by: dcsween |

That's so wrong in so many ways. The 'skins had an overweight certified public accountant named GEISINGER as backup center last year and he lasted considerably less than a full game one when forced to play backup tackle.

And as far as trading picks for a guy ready to start, I got two words: Jason Freaking Taylor.

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

bean

New Tag Line:

Doc? You're Just Not What's Up.

I'd rather keep the young guys I have and avoid Doc Halladay.

A guy who plays once every five days isn't as important as a core of young guys you keep and build around to win for years.

Let the Phils/Dodgers haggle over Doc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

he's just tryin to make plays like the great brett favre

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Another reason not to bring him here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

frak

"Ramsey got sacked brutal his time here, call him "Potato".."

He was on his back and so helpless so much he made turtles and drunken sorority girls jealous.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, put him and Ramsey together and you might scrape together a clue...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse
neither one of those guys was adequate nfl qbs, however both still get work. if vick isn't better than todd collins to yall then i must be watching futbol on sundays and have vick confused with someone else. he was the most exciting player in the game 2 yrs ago and now he's not worth the minimum sal to a 7-9 team that lacks playmakers. i luv the skins though i hope we don't end up needing him.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

TheCork

My money is on E Williams and Marko Mitchell making the roster.

The question is: Which vet(s) will be cut to make space?

Add this to the other possible training camp stories to look out for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

He was on his back and so helpless so much he made turtles and drunken sorority girls jealous.

He was on his back so much, he made Mae West look like the Washington Monument..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

moe, Doc, Beckett, Lester is worth considering......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not against Vick as a player. I like him and think he could do well in the right situation.

The Redskins would not be the right situation for anyone involved. Here's why.

1. The front office doesn't need PR nightmare.
2. Campbell doesn't need to be looking over his shoulder any more. He's got enough distractions to deal with.
3. Zorn's offense is supposedly one of the more complex systems in the league and is difficult to learn, esp. for a QB.
4. Vick is too close to home and needs to move away from the seedy characters he's been around and got into this mess with.

Here are some good potential landing spots for him:
Denver - Needs all the help it can get
Buffalo - Vick & TO would be a match made in heaven.
Miami - Birthplace of the Wildcat
Tampa - They can never have enough QB's, right?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey got beat up so much that Mike Vick was thinking about ... wow even I don't think crossing that line is that funny.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey will always have "warrior" points in D.C. for the awful beating he took...If only he could read a defense, he wouldn't be left in a catatonic daze..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween |

That's so wrong in so many ways. ...

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 11:52 AM

I didn't say I it was a good idea, I predicted it ... based on recent history.

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

too early, Alex, too early!

...well.. not really. I was lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff, etrod. The only thing I disagree with is Buffalo pairing T.O. and Vick together. Unless you have a big tight end in the middle of the field, receivers haven't put up numbers playing with Vick. Ask Roddy White. Dude was on the road to being a bust and then you put him with Matt Ryan and he's a Pro-Bowler. The first time Vick skips a pass on the turf to T.O., he'll get the Garcia/McNabb/Romo treatment.

Plus I think Trent Edwards has the goods. He might end up being a pretty good player this year.

And I still have hope for Patrick Ramsey getting another opportunity and having late-career success, a la Rich Gannon. I think he was put in a no-win situation here and has the skills to get it done at this level, provided he hasn't suffered any irreparable damage from the Spurrier era.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 24, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

3. Zorn's offense is supposedly one of the more complex systems in the league and is difficult to learn, esp. for a QB.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:02 PM

Where does THIS come from? I never heard this before. If anything, I heard it was pretty straightforward and limited. Also, its a work in progress with ONE season in development. The other three reasons for why Vick would be a bad idea are solid, but this one seems a little too 'truthy' (in a fair and balanced kind of way).

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

logic has left the building......wow...ufb with the vick talk....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse


It could be worse.

People could still be posting crap about what Jason Taylor thinks.

Posted by: p1funk | July 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, brown, I just slipped Buffalo in there because of the sheer entertainment it would provide.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

please do not send Vick to Tampa. I have three cute small dogs and would like to keep them safe.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 24, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree that Vick needs a tall, sure-handed tight end, as his passes tend to sail..."Algae Crumpler" (who is in the top twenty most surreal NFL names) was perfect for him..The San Diego basketball player turned TE would work, too. Maybe he should back up Rivers (a scrambler as well)..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Supersmart University of Michigan grad who got rejected for law school ... [wink, wink, I got your back, cload, but proportionally, there are fewer lawyers in the federal legislative bodies than there have been in a long long while ... lots more entreprenurial doctors though ...]

1) That's because they got a bunch of them promoted to "president", "vice president", and "______ czar" this year. I can't wait to hear about the new lawyer that's going to turn GM into the automotive juggernaut for the 21st century.

2) Ann Coulter was Michigan Law. I think that sentence stands on its own.

Posted by: daggar | July 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I've seen the light, sign Vick, and then trade he and MMason to Arizona for Anquan Boldin.


Championship....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty irreprable, Brownie. Even if it wasn't phisically - his rep & perception around the league is dirt....

'cause he was in it... the dirt... from being sacked. A LOT!.. in the dirt...


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Where does THIS come from? I never heard this before. If anything, I heard it was pretty straightforward and limited. Also, its a work in progress with ONE season in development. The other three reasons for why Vick would be a bad idea are solid, but this one seems a little too 'truthy' (in a fair and balanced kind of way).

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3758372

I've read it else where but this is the best I could do on short notice.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

2) Ann Coulter was Michigan Law. I think that sentence stands on its own.

Posted by: daggar | July 24, 2009 12:23 PM

Stands. Staggers. Falls. Vomits. Drowns in vomit.

frak, Alge is short for Algernon.

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey will always have "warrior" points in D.C. for the awful beating he took...If only he could read a defense, he wouldn't be left in a catatonic daze..

Posted by: frak

do people remember that Ramsey had a 79 yard pass to....Brandon Lloyd in the game he got yanked, then Brunell had a 79 yard TD like 7 or 8 weeks later and it was his longest pass of the season. Ramsey never got a chance to read a D under Gibbs.

It's Gibbs so I gotta respect his decision, but I think we woulda had a better chance with PR over MB. Brunell read every D the same way sprint left and wing it, sometimes totally across the field (rookie mistakes) and he was a league leader in fumbles, and fumbles lost and returned for a TD (because he was usually out to the left in no man's land)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Coolest NFL name ever: Sam Shade

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

or for protozoa, sween.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

etrod, I'm not buying it considering the source, the context, and because Portis contradicts himself about it. Take your time. We can come back to this later. Until it comes from something more than Portis' hissy fit, I still say that Zorn has nothing on Al Saunders.

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 24, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Algernon is an old timey British name. [Not sure where Crumpler comes from ... but it does describe Patrick Ramsey in the pocket pretty well.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Brunell was Gibb's hero (literally), so those first two seasons were not representative of his objective football knowledge.

That a danger of reliance upon divinity.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

noone, that was good stuff.

'He's the idiot you see struggling for five minutes to open a bottle with his car key, and pushes you away when you offer him a bottle opener.'

ha!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Hellhounds on Matreya,
Hellhounds on Matreya.."

Ben "Robert Johnson" Roethlisberger

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Coolest NFL name ever: Sam Shade

Posted by: Original_etrod |

I'll see your Sam Shade and raise you Steve Stonebreaker.

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

O_etrod, I also liked the Google vs Dogpile analogy

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

There was also the whole discussion of how it takes 3 years for a QB to learn the offense and how Hasselback didn't flourish until his 3rd year.

Granted, that was Holmgren's offense but Zorn runs it with his own wrinkles.

(I'm putting this forth in lieu of doing any actual research in keeping with my blog philosophy)

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Dave Butz. Now, we've got the biggest player on the field out there, thats his giant Butz sticking up right there in the middle of the line. Sherriff Butz don't take no s**t, he gives it. How can the Skins win if Butz is out?? (almost as bad as Peters)..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

just saw Markie Post in a low cut wedding dress... [cue Panther growl "wwwccchhh wwwrrrr"]

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the cop is a little Pissed off caus' the POTUS called him "stupid".

Somebody give him a hanky.

He ought to be thankful that the POTUS did not call it like it really was. But he is the POTUS and he chose his words wisely.

Anybody with a neenad of sense knows this incident would never have ended in a arrest if that was a caucasian fella that had gotten locked out of hishouse' and when he finally got back in a police officer shows up and demands for him to come out.

ComeOut! ComeOut! This is the Police! Thars' been a burglary.

The caucasian fella' responds "I am sorry Mr. Officer, but there has not been any burglary here."

Black Man Response: What do mean, Come Out! And Ain't no burglary happening in here, This is my House!

Police Officer: "I don't give a Damn if it iz you' house, I gonna arrest yo' but for diorderly conduct in yo' own house. You have the right... Assume the position."

Another day in the life of a colored man.

So instead of the POTUS calling it racist profiling like it really was he called the police officer Stupid and now he is upset.

Now, I am beginning to wonder do people know what racial profiling is, or you really just Stupid?

And I know there is ton of you that are going to say the cop is not racist and you make be right, but you don't have to be racist to be guilty of racial profiling.

And also to the ton of you that do not believe this was just another instance of racial profiling, I am sorry for you, for I agree with the POTUS, thats just plain stupid.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Brutally honest.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Not you, Larry, you're just brutally... well... as the Prez puts it "stupid"

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse


Hmmm. Dan may be all powerful with the 'skins, but at Six Flags?

Maybe not so much, hints Time Magazine in piece about Creepy Ol' Mr. Six ads being revived.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1912454,00.html

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Johnson is officially “out indefinitely” for the Eags and won’t be at training camp…….

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090724/SPORTS02/90724025/McDermott+replaces+Johnson+as+Eagles++defensive+coordinator

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

kind of a weird article, noone ...

yeah Snyder deserves plenty of criticism and yes we know that games are won in the trenches. I've been among those who has pointed out how little the Skins have drafted along the lines.

But ... the Skins did bring in two line players via FA that are in the middle of their careers -- Albert and Dockery. To say the players don't matter because the mgmt is messed up -- well -- that's mostly not true.

Vinny also attempted to fix a few other areas, like OLB (Orakpo, Henson). He got a punter (we go from the bottom to near the top) and added a competent WR in Roydell.

Reality is that we have ONE glaring weaknesses:
The health of the OL (talent level is ok, not great)

We have a few other question marks, but these all have a decent chance of turing out OK:
WRs
HC
DEs and OLBs
K

And we have some great strengths, the middle of our defense is as good as any in football.


I'll scream and shout up about the failure to draft on the lines as much as anyone. Its what holds this team back and probably will again this year. But this team should be modestly better than the 2008 team -- plus I don't foresee us going 1-3 vs the AFC teams.

As a fan, there is no reason to quit on this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Coolest NFL name ever: Sam Shade

Posted by: Original_etrod |

I'll see your Sam Shade and raise you Steve Stonebreaker.

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Sam Sword? Arnaz Battle?

Posted by: p1funk | July 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Cork, Snyder is part of the secret CIA/Mossad plan to destroy the American economy. Six Flags is worth around 3 cents a share and the Skins are the most inefficient dollars to wins team in world history. Once the entire economy has been torn down, the Grimacing Cyclops will make its intergalactic appearance, and spoon the masses down its massive , obscene craw. Then, the select few will live in opiated suburban bliss, on Heaven's Masonic Golf Course..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

for those who didn't see him in his prime, Rickey Henderson was an amazing player who could shred other teams in so many different ways. Easily the best leadoff hitter ever.

Fortunately, he was colorful, too -- as this amusing article points out

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/23/SP8118S521.DTL

Tip of the hat to Rickey Henderson, 2009 HOF inductee

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

frak you love to hear yourself talk, rather blather on, about nothing related to anything really...........I'd suggest holding your breath, but thats the old bg....perhaps, some intensive therapy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Sam Sword? Arnaz Battle?

Posted by: p1funk | July 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse
Dick Butkis

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 24, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't look him in the eyes Greg......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely no to Vick! I can look past alot of crap, I have made mistakes. But in my opinion killing dogs like you are the John Wayne Gacy of Pitbulls is unforgiveable.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 24, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If we are doing a cool name off, Marino was a great name for a guy playing for the Dolphins.

Not NFL but the Nat's had a pitcher named Smoker.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We have a punter named Hunter....

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

al, that just so happens to be my last name....no relation to the dolphins qb however...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh and the racecar driver Scott Speed.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"

frak you love to hear yourself talk, rather blather on, about nothing related to anything really...........I'd suggest holding your breath, but thats the old bg....perhaps, some intensive therapy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

Speak for yourself, Ol' Bean, you're postin' on here...What part of wrinkle on a gnat's a** don't you understand??

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

why do we care about this off season stuff? every year, its a signing here, a release there, or a trade. The Snyder way of football does not work. Am I the only one who is fed up here?

Posted by: agambhir | July 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'll see your Sam Shade and raise you Steve Stonebreaker.

Posted by: TheCork | July 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Pounds

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Mike Quick

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 24, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Dick Trickle?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dakote Fagg

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 24, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'll scream and shout up about the failure to draft on the lines as much as anyone. Its what holds this team back and probably will again this year. But this team should be modestly better than the 2008 team -- plus I don't foresee us going 1-3 vs the AFC teams.

As a fan, there is no reason to quit on this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 1:26 PM |

We don't want to quit on the team, that's for sure. And give the FO credit, they did the best they could to upgrade the team. They did a good job and were it not for the Bears going apesh1t and handing over 2 1st rounders to the Broncs we would probably have upgraded at QB, the most critical position on the team. But remember, we sunk into a 2-6 hole at the end of 2008 because the opponents cancelled out Moss and Portis and we had no other cards in our hand to play. You can upgrade the OL all you want to but it isn't going to solve that problem.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

etrod, got it ... and agreed, no Vick for the Skins. Vick for some other team? eh.

Now back to power rankings ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 24, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

just noticed Jason Reid on the top of the blog. Congrats Jason

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

1. the burgers at Pause, my neighborhood joint
2a. the burgers at In'n'Out
2b. the burgers at Five Guys
f. just about all other burgers
! beer

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I just noticed J Reid's picture up top....nice!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

World B. Free, Sixers guard

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

You're too fast for me zce....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Who would name their company "Dogpile"?? Whatta maroon..

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

So wait - is PT on his way out?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 24, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Jase for getting the RI gig. Know you will do a lot better than the previous Jase. Report it fair and balanced and we will decide. Hah!

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

But remember, we sunk into a 2-6 hole at the end of 2008 because the opponents cancelled out Moss and Portis and we had no other cards in our hand to play. You can upgrade the OL all you want to but it isn't going to solve that problem.

Posted by: EncinoMan

Your mixing cause and effect. The dropoff in play was about 75% the OL and 25% Moss's hammy gone bad. Both happened at just about the same time. After that, Campbell had so-so targets to throw it to and not much time to throw. The reason teams could cancel out Portis was because the OL fell apart and Moss was hurt. QB wasn't the problem, the OL was.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I got board and just went back and watched a video montage of the redskins last minute win in Dallas with the 2TD bombs to Moss, little choked up. Go back and watch some moments like that and remember thats why we are fans.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, love seeing J-Reid up there.

I think we all understand it's a team effort keeping us hamsters awash in insider-y, news-y items up here. But it's nice to acknowledge that The Mayor is the lead dog.

Hail to the blog, as ever.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | July 24, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

best name ever was our Wang word processing rep from back in the day. I'll never forget first time I met him when he said

"Hi, I'm Dick Wiener from Wang"

and he did it with a straight face

What were his parent's thinking?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 24, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

J-Reid officially in the house!

(I love the people who think he will be all objective...have you even read his stuff before? He is tougher than Janso...)

Oh and I LOVE frak, he is one of my fave posters. And I actually get most of the references he drops. But Frak if you want BG to understand your esoterica just drop in a Dale Jarrett, fly fishing or aluminum bat reference once in a while!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Your mixing cause and effect. The dropoff in play was about 75% the OL and 25% Moss's hammy gone bad. Both happened at just about the same time. After that, Campbell had so-so targets to throw it to and not much time to throw. The reason teams could cancel out Portis was because the OL fell apart and Moss was hurt. QB wasn't the problem, the OL was.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 2:30 PM |

It's a lot simpler than any kind of cause and effect BS. It's good old gravity. What goes up must come down. Even before Moss or Portis had any ailments other teams were doubling on coverage and bringing up their LBs. Even if you are totally healthy the only way to counter that is for the QB to hook up with other WRs on short X routes. Which, if you can do it, will shred the other team's defense.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

yes and congrats to JReid. Great photo.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

best name ever was our Wang word processing rep from back in the day. I'll never forget first time I met him when he said

"Hi, I'm Dick Wiener from Wang"

and he did it with a straight face

What were his parent's thinking?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 24, 2009 2:46 PM |

The same thing that Peter Puller's parents and Seymour Butts' parents were thinking.

Posted by: EncinoMan | July 24, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

J. Reid doesn't officially have the RI gig until he invites us all over to his house for beer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

My Girlfriends mom actually had a pet monkey. She named it Michael Hunt, she did not get why that was funny.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Heywood Jablowme

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Jack Mehoffer

Posted by: chrislarry | July 24, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Whats sad is my story is true.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 24, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

cl, couple things...I'm a JGR guy, so Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, or Denny Hamlin, and not just aluminum, high end composites are very popular as well,....just an fyi...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And I actually get most of the references he drops.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 24, 2009 2:47 PM

How would you know whether you get most, a third, or merely a tenth?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And I actually get most of the references he drops.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 24, 2009 2:47 PM

How would you know whether you get most, a third, or merely a tenth?

As for me, I know that I don't get any because my reaction to your post was "He's dropping references? Who knew?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Suddenly, the visage of Jason Reid appears...his gaze fixed in the middle distance, calm, reassuring and determined.

Determined to blow this thing up.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 24, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

FRAK...BROUGHT TO YOU BY...THE BYZANTINE RAT FOUNDATION...THE LINCOLN BRIGADE IRREGULARS...AND BY, THE BLUES...peace...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

FRAK...BROUGHT TO YOU BY...THE BYZANTINE RAT FOUNDATION...THE LINCOLN BRIGADE IRREGULARS...AND BY, THE BLUES...peace...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 3:28 PM

So, CL, how many references did you get in this post? I'm googling them right now so that I can say I got all or most of them, myself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Suddenly, the visage of Jason Reid appears...his gaze fixed in the middle distance, calm, reassuring and determined.

Determined to blow this thing up.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 24, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse
And just as suddenly it disappears again. What happpened?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that one misses me as well, except the Blues....but I love the way it reads anyway....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm familiar with the blues, however the other two are just way, way out past me...........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: frediefritz | July 24, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

FRAK...BROUGHT TO YOU BY...THE BYZANTINE RAT FOUNDATION...THE LINCOLN BRIGADE IRREGULARS...AND BY, THE BLUES...peace...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 3:28 PM

Okay, CL, I'm up to THREE references:

LINCOLN BRIGADE IRREGULARS...The Abraham Lincoln Brigade refers to volunteers from the United States who served in the Spanish Civil War in the International Brigades.

BYZANTINE RAT FOUNDATION...a monk by the name of Hilarion chose the site for his hermitage. He must have been the earliest "drop out" from the BYZANTINE RAT race

BLUES...name given to both a musical form and a music genre created within the African-American communities in the Deep South of the United States at the end of the 19th century from spirituals, work songs, field hollers, shouts and chants, and rhymed simple narrative ballads.


Hey, this is fun. Did I miss any? Try me again, FRAK.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

slimbo -- thx for the link, that was a very good article on Albert. Albert and Danny can swap tree removal stories.

Albert is getting well paid, but I'll tell you who IS overpaid -- Dr. John Verble, Haynesworth’s financial advisor.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama should take the cue from Spurier. Admit you made a mistake and appologise and move on. The cop acted as if this man, who was identified by another person as breaking in to a house, as a criminal until he (the cop) was POSITIVE about this mans identity. The professor should have been intelligent enough to give the cop all that was asked for. After all wasn't the cop trying to protect the professors home? Help the men in blue. They have a very hard job.

Posted by: changer1 | July 24, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll scream and shout up about the failure to draft on the lines as much as anyone. Its what holds this team back and probably will again this year. But this team should be modestly better than the 2008 team -- plus I don't foresee us going 1-3 vs the AFC teams.

As a fan, there is no reason to quit on this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 24, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

word up, Z. we def have issues in the owner's box, but this team could make some (good) noise this yr

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

AND BY...LORELEI...THE LEMONADE OCEAN...shop-vac...MADNESS...THE PHANTOM...AND OF COURSE, VOIVO, THE ORBITING MILEWIDE ALIEN COMPUTER THAT RUNS THE EARTH...

Posted by: frak | July 24, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Add the nickels from JARMON's potential contract to ORAKPO's offer and let JARMON go. "Stay on the leader" DARTH VADER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 25, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

word up, Z. we def have issues in the owner's box, but this team could make some (good) noise this yr

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It could. And if it does it will most certainly be on the back of a stout defense.

If that's the case, then the FO does deserve credit for having the...umm...err...humility(gulp) to change directions on their vision and just go with what works.

When Snerrato blew up the foundation laid by Gibbs II and went with Zorn and then drafted every highly-rated pass-catcher they could find in the subsequent draft, it seemed clear that they were gonna try to implement a sexy-WCO as the hallmark of this team.

Now, a year later, they may have realized that they are onto something...with Blache's defense.

The unit outperformed itself last year and if they can beef it up with more talent, why not go the route of the Steelers instead of the Seahawks?

Anyway...whatever it takes to win...

Posted by: p1funk | July 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama should take the cue from Spurier. Admit you made a mistake and apologize ... wasn't the cop trying to protect the professors home? Help the men in blue. They have a very hard job.

Posted by: changer1
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I have a hard job to do too, but it doesn't give me the right to arrest people for crimes they have not committed. However Professor Gates behaved his actions were not criminal and he should not have been arrested.

I don't care about the neighbors phone call and don't think the police should be releasing it.

If the officer was being 'blessed out' by Bob Kraft (owner of the Patriots) do you think he would have arrested him?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | July 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

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