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Beathard says Gibbs has right management skills

Former Washington Redskins general manager Bobby Beathard said Thursday that he believes Joe Gibbs, the Hall of Fame coach who had two stints in Washington, would make a fine team president if owner Daniel M. Snyder wanted to bring him back in such a capacity.

"I think that Joe has been successful in most everything he's done," Beathard said in an interview on ESPN 980's "Sports Fix." "When you look at what he's done at NASCAR, I've been over to visit Joe and gone through the organization and seen how it's structured, he's done a wonderful job. He has a talent for that."

Beathard, who originally hired Gibbs in 1981, said Gibbs would "not be one that would be a meddler or interfering. He's very good at letting people do what they're brought in to do."

Beathard served as Redskins general manager from 1978-89, and then ran the San Diego Chargers from 1990-2000. He said that Gibbs has the talent and pedigree to make a model like the one currently employed by the Miami Dolphins -- in which former NFL head coach Bill Parcells oversees a general manager and the coaching staff -- work in Washington.

"I think Joe's personality is one that would make it work," Beathard said. "Joe's not an 'I' guy. He's a hands-on guy. He's very good to work with. That is a model that can work if you get the right people in there. ... I would think that Joe would be a good guy to do something like that."

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Posted by: hockey023 | October 22, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

First

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 22, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Not first.... Like the skins..

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

he's not coming here.

Posted by: zyvo23 | October 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Nothing, ever, against Joe Jackson Gibbs, but can this get any more insane? What's next:

"I'm not an NFL GM, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night...Where's the headset, Danny?"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs' return would only work if Cerrato goes away -- and Dan stays away from the sidelines and practice fields. If Vinny stays -- and Dan cannot stay away -- then we can only expect more of the same and worse.

Remember that Gibbs had a pretty good succession plan in place when he stepped aside last time, but Dan and Vinny puked all over it.

A more likely and nightmarish outcome with same players could see Gibbs acting as another set of eyes for the other set of eyes (Sherm Lewis) brought in to help patch over the coaching deficit -- while enabling Dan and Vinny to continue to ignore the obvious deficiencies in their front office and overall approach to team ownership.

It might also be helpful if Dan would flush his toilet on occasion... CP seems to have mistaken it for the team jacuzzi!!!

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If you replace "Zorn" with "Kiffin" and "Snyder" with "Davis" and "Redskins" with "Raiders" all these headlines are eerily similar to Oakland from last season.

"ClusterSJK" is the same though.

I'd love someone/WaPo to do interactive thingy comparing Oakland with Skins just for SJK and giggles/tears.

Posted by: sfskin | October 22, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we please just focus on getting Vinny at out of town. First things first.

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Marty as team president than Gibbs.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can we please just focus on getting Vinny at out of town? First things first.

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Beathard is joking about Gibbs as GM, right?

Hmm... I hadn't considered Beathard among my candidates for the position of "franchise-rebuilder," but I probably should have him on the list.

Parcells is my top choice for franchise-rebuilder, the more I think of it. Won't take crap from anybody, commands respect, has his own rings (the kind he actually earned, not the Vinny kind), will find us a real GM and help that GM hire a real head coach, and then help that GM rebuild our roster... all the while keeping Snyder the hell away from the football people.

Yep, I am in the realm of fantasy, but it's a happier place...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

te/ls, what makes you think that JZ would have used what Lewis was saying/offering to help?? He's under the impression that its not him, but the players who aren't performing.

This is the 2nd season of this offense, and its still a collussal failure. Blame the OL, blame JC, but it still STINKS and that falls ULTIMATLY at the feet of the Head Coach. As Gannon just stated, its STILL VANILLA 23 games in, and we're still running vanilla at practice thats telling. As Hoge stated, they were running patterns that PLAY INTO giving ZONE COVERAGE the advantage, this is a case of 1 or 2 things. Either the HC doesn't get it, how to attack a defense, or doesn't scheme for what the defense is doing. Fact JC is best out of the shotgun, yet he's still lining up under center.....why??

Not to mention that JZ still contends that he's calling plays that should work. Really?? Where?? Cuz they ain't working on Sunday. Something had to give, and based on how poorly this offense was performing, this was it.

Largent can fight for his boy all he wants, but this offense sucks, and has sucked under JZ...there hasn't been improvement....ANYWHERE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:50 PM

Gosh Greg -- I'm agreeing with you ... 100% ... except for the spelling of what I think was meant to be colossal.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
again brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

Yogi Berra once said, " If the people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going to stop them".

I have a 10 pack for the SJ Sharks. Since the Sharks sell out consistently, I can always sell my tix for a game I can't attend. Plus I get playoff tix, and have the choice of attending or selling them for a profit. For me, its a 'no lose' situation.

An uncle and cousin of mine live in SoCal and Ohio respectively, having moved to these areas 20+ years ago from New Jersey. Both still hold season tickets to the ny giants. Why? Because they make money from selling the tickets. Owning season tickets is a rational business decision.

In all 3 cases, if demand for tickets dropped, none of us would buy these tickets. But tickets are sold out and there is a wait list, keeping the season tickets is a 'no lose' proposition.

Well, looking at FedEx on Sunday, with thousands of empty seats just 6 games into this season, its pretty clear season ticket holders won't be getting face value for selling their tickets in 2009.

FedEx has the largest seating capacity in the NFL. Supply is large and isn't changing, but demand is changing.

Owning Redskins season tickets is no longer a 'no lose' scenario, as Sunday's empty seats attests to this new reality. The wait list may soon be exposed as Swiss cheese. And the wait list IS the financial bedrock of this franchise.

So, is this problem a long term issue or short term issue?

My sense is that it is long term. Its been almost 20 years since the Skins were consistent contenders. Kids born 22 years ago are now graduating college -- and have rarely glimpsed a Skins team with even modest success. Its unlikely the Skins have deep roots in this generation.

Rooting for a sports team is irrational. That people "care" about a bunch of overpaid players wearing their favorite laundry is irrational. Still, this "caring" is what results in ticket sales, jersey sales, TV viewing, radio listening and a host of other activities that the ownership has used to create huge revenues.

But do the fans still care?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, sorry, not reading carefully enough... I see now Beathard was talking about Gibbs as team president/franchise-rebuilder, not GM... oops...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Part 2

Reading comments and articles, the answer is that things are changing for the worse and its happening quickly. Fan passion and anger are quickly turning into apathy. Angry fans are still fans -- and still spend. Once apathy sets in, people start making rational decisions. If owning season tickets makes good business sense, you continue to own them. If not, you don't. The turnout at the Chiefs game says that it doesn't make business sense anymore.

Fans that have become apathetic will do other things instead of watching the Redskins. The growing disconnect between Dan Snyder's Redskins and the community is moving large numbers of fans from passion to apathy. Its the speed that feels so dramatic. It sure feels like 2009 is the last straw for large numbers of Redskin fans.

An apathetic season ticket holder might be fine if he has a 'no lose' situation. But since this is no longer a 'no lose' situation, his time and money will get spent elsewhere. That we're in a recession, FedEx offers a mediocre game day experience and that Danny sued season ticket holders that don't pay are secondary factors that make a bad situation worse. All these factors may well undermine the financial bedrock of this franchise and we may start seeing serious problems within 12-24 months.

Is Dan Snyder's financial success with this franchise is far more tenuous than anyone realizes? I'm guessing it is.

And that's a wrap on this week's edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES as always brought to you by Yahoo!'s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Amen, times a gajazabillion, to "can we just focus on getting Vinny Cerrato out of town? First things first."

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | October 22, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I have collussal once, it was very tasty, kind of like chicken

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 22, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Owning Redskins season tickets is no longer a 'no lose' scenario, as Sunday's empty seats attests to this new reality. The wait list may soon be exposed as Swiss cheese. And the wait list IS the financial bedrock of this franchise


The fact that it was 40 degrees and rainy could have had alot to do with that.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 22, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The problem starts at the top. It won't get fixed until you start at the top. At this point HC is way too low on the food chain.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:03 PM

Or, in the Parcells model, one off from the top.

Also, F Parcells ... which is one off from F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Periculum's unique? Perspectives. I think I have been saying the above for a LONG, long, long, long ... while now?
Gibbs IS defined by his place as a part of THE REDSKINS, not NASCAR, or his various charities. But the Redskins and what he did with this team first. He may not always like that idea ...

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Beathard says Gibbs has right management skills.

Desmond Howard, 1992, was a Gibbs pick where he traded up in the first over the protests of Charlie Casserly.
Enough said.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Beathard says Gibbs has GM skills"


Doubt that.

He thought he 'slick rolled' the league when he traded up to get Jason Campbell--and how's that working out for ya, St Joe?

And how about that Brandon Lloyd acquisition? The smooth move to bring in Archuelta after deeming Ryan Clark wasn't sjk?

Love Portis?: revisit the Portis-Bailey trade and you'll see Champ is still making plays while CP has lost his exhausted usual step to the sideline after a 2.5 yard gain.

Just say No To St. Joe.

It's time the redskin faithful divorced themselves from the memories of the 1980s.

Gibbs is a fine man, but the NFL is a passing league where speed, athleticism, and versitility count way more than 'true redskin' bible-toting types.

Personally, I like the roster management work of whomever re-build the Falcons or the guy who keeps finding the stud linemen the jints come up with year in and year out.

Let's hire a fresh, skilled guy from a front office that keeps reloading--not a retread old coach who keeps stirring up unfulfilled memories.

But without the FO deciding the present talent acquisition structure is a failure, none of this happens.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, it was only unique the first time ... re-posting it is one off from unique ... its self-plagiarism.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This needs to happen NOW, not after the season. Not to achieve a winning season because I think the mistakes made before the season make that extremely difficult. Instead, to settle things out and keep it from becoming a debacle.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, bringing out all the old names this week. I'm waiting for some input from Matt Millen.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 22, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Beathard says Gibbs has right management skills.

Desmond Howard, 1992, was a Gibbs pick where he traded up in the first over the protests of Charlie Casserly.
Enough said.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If Gibbs is the team President and hires a GM, then presumably he wouldn't have the only say in personnel. I doubt he would meddle much -- look at the way he has built his NASCAR team. He oversees it, but has smart people underneath him and he lets them do their thing...

Posted by: mattylight | October 22, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i was gonna burn my tickets for monday night instead of giving it to eagles fans, but after hearing B-Mitch is gonna be put into the ring of fame, how the hell can a TRUE skins fan willingly skip that, on a MNF game against a division rival?

damnit, i hate daniel snyder even more for this. just when he knows things are gonna go south, he does something like this to MAKE US go to the game.

Posted by: kman2 | October 22, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, sorry, not reading carefully enough... I see now Beathard was talking about Gibbs as team president/franchise-rebuilder, not GM... oops...

Hopefully part owner / president ala Edward Bennett Williams. To keep the ship upright and stable a steady hand through turbulent waters. There is still a lot younger head can learn from him.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY FIRST!!!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I have collussal once, it was very tasty, kind of like chicken

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 22, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I have collussal once, I got it from this chick back in college. They make a cream for it now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 22, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I had the sense that, as part of the enticement to launch Gibbs 2.0, St. Joe got some sort of equity stake in the team ... so he literally would have a vested* interest in the team achieving greater financial success (which I think might actually be threatened a little by its history of non-dominant football success during the tenure of The Owner).

* maybe w/o an actual vest ... I feel about vests like I feel about clowns and mimes.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Folks, I think what all this talk is circling around but not saying is that Gibbs is probably the only person who Snyder will really listen to. Somebody has to lead the intervention with Snyder, and it could be Gibbs. Not that we want Gibbs to come back and save the franchise, but the one man that is the link back to the franchise that Snyder fell in love with is Joe.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 22, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Three of 40 questions John Corcoran would ask of Dan Snyder in his latest Redskin column on NFLDraftdog.

"Do you know what those guys on offense who don’t catch passes or play in the backfield are called?"

"Until this week, did you think “Levi Jones” was an inordinate longing for denim?"

"Have you tried Craig’s List to find a new racquetball partner?"

Read 'em all at:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow, bringing out all the old names this week. I'm waiting for some input from Matt Millen.

Posted by: LouLewis

Matt Millen thinks Vinnie is doing a hell of a job, and predicts we'll be taking a WR in the first round next year.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

damnit, i hate daniel snyder even more for this. just when he knows things are gonna go south, he does something like this to MAKE US go to the game.

He is after all a pretty damned rabid fan of the team himself. Of course he knows he is screwing up, and he must know that he by far mostly to blame. Hopefully, he will take to heart the wonderful suggestions folks have made here in public and Joe Gibbs will have a change of heart.

Move Joe Gibbs Racing to Leesburg Joe, its where it probably belongs ... not in Charlotte.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

i think our next coach should be Russ Grimm. A perfect guy who has the "fire" of an inexperienced coach, and a guy with a great fan following in DC, and a guy who will give it his all. You can be sure he understands that a successful team HAS to have a GREAT OFFENSIVE LINE, and that he'd convince any GM to improve on that ASAP.

Posted by: kman2 | October 22, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I've been a prisoner all my life and I can tell you...
gibbs, take, take me home. Cuz I don't remember!

Posted by: pgugino | October 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Marty as team president than Gibbs.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse
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Meh. Marty has had some knocks on his resume that include nepotism and irrational devotion to rules (like run-run-pass-punt). I'm not sure you want to build an organization around him, especially now that his winning record has inflated his ego to think that he would rather not coach than have to answer to a higher authority.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Listening to the FO pull their collective heads out of their a$$es sound like my bowl of rice crispys this morning after I poured the milk on them!!!

Posted by: blackhills1 | October 22, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, it was only unique the first time ... re-posting it is one off from unique ... its self-plagiarism.

Posted by: dcsween

You can't self-plagarize, if I remember the outcome of the Sol Zaenz v. John Fogarty "Ol Man Down th Road" verdict correctly.

But thank you many times over for not modifying "Unique." Like you hate clown/Mimes I hate the modification of the, er, unmodificationable. Something is either unique or it isn't. It's never "very unique" or "sorta unique," etc.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Joe Jacoby as the O-Line coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jsm3 | October 22, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept Cerrato around the first time... why wouldnt he do it the second time? Gota get that mongaloid out of the FO FIRST!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Beathard is joking about Gibbs as GM, right?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Beathard says Gibbs has right management skills.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Err, um, where exactly did Beathard say that Gibbs would be a good football GM or have good football GM skills?

He praised Gibbs overall ability to structure an organization and said a Bill-Parcells-type role would work.

Bill Parcells is not the GM of the Dolphins. He hired Jeff ireland to be their GM.

I agree with Beathard 100%. Joe can hire a GM and a coach to work under him. He can oversee them while successfully keeping Danny quarantined in his office playing with Legos...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept Cerrato around the first time... why wouldnt he do it the second time? Gota get that mongaloid out of the FO FIRST!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse


What makes you think Gibbs had power to fire Cerrato in the first place?

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

what about uniquely unique?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gibbs would do it, but Gibbs as a team president would be great if he was allowed to build his own structure with a GM and scouting org. of his choosing.

Could you see Casserly as his GM and Grimm as his head coach? I wonder how Grimm would feel about running backs faking injuries all week to stay out of practice but making a miraculous recovery on game day?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Marty as team president than Gibbs.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse


Right.

And after firing Marty several years ago, Danny is now gonna go ahead and turn around and hand over all the football operations back to him and marty is gladly going to say "yes".

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder how Grimm would feel about running backs faking injuries all week to stay out of practice but making a miraculous recovery on game day"

There would be a foot inserted into a spincter.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept Cerrato around the first time... why wouldnt he do it the second time? Gota get that mongaloid out of the FO FIRST!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse
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Remember that Vinny is not the problem in and of himself. Vinny is the problem in that Snyder thinks he can be VP of FO AND GM AND Director of Player Personnel AND Organizational Coach Assassin AND Executive Wiener Storage AND Chairman of Mass Media AND Executive Golf Caddy.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 22, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I know I know this question is the Skins equivalent of "What is the meaning of life?"

BUT WHY is Cerrato still here? EEEAAAAHHHHH

Doesn't anyone know someone who knows Mr. Snyder and can ask this question in an unexpected way and place?

Scene: Proctologist Office
Random Guy: Dan Snyder! Hey man what a nice suit you're wearing and I love your golf cart at Ashburn. . .how about this weather huh? Oh why is Vinny Cerrato still an employee of the Redskins? Hey I can't wait to tell my wife that Mr. Snyder and I both go to the same doctor. . . what are you here for? To have your head removed from your arse? Ha ha just yanking your chain. . .seriously though what is up with Cerrato?

Posted by: sfskin | October 22, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Marty as team president than Gibbs.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009

Yeah, and he would try to hire all his relatives, his friends for jobs even though they aren't really qualified. Kind of what he did here and in San Diego. That is part of the problem here as it is: too much cronyism.

Clearly another fool who doesn't watch the games and doesn't know what is going on.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

And just one final thought on Gibbs, he is one of the few people who could make this current joke of a franchise look attractive to big name coaching and front office talent. Want to come work for Snyder?, eff that. Want to come work under Gibbs after he locks Dan in his room?, that has potential.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 22, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept Cerrato around the first time... why wouldnt he do it the second time? Gota get that mongaloid out of the FO FIRST!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse


What makes you think Gibbs had power to fire Cerrato in the first place?

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Let me refrase: Gibbs didnt get rid of Cerrato whether he had the power or not his 2nd time around... Im not sure that would change a 3rd time around. So not sure I would want Gibbs even if he would be good in a "Tuna Roll" with soy sauce and lots of wasabi.

FIRE VINNY!!!

Then figure out which way to go.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Can we please just focus on getting Vinny at out of town? First things first.

You're really not watching or reading ... are you? As someone has already said Vinny is not the problem, he is more a symptom. Getting Vinny out-of-town is like taking aspirin to cure Cancer. It won't solve what is.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

if, and this is a big if, but if we're having the same conversations, on 10/22/2010, then I think all hope is truly lost, and there is no saving this franchise....I truly, I TRULY feel that between Tony K, and Rich Gannon, something is gonna come of this, that being VC getting fired...Snyder can't be this stupid....he simply cannot ignore the manner in which this team is trending.....

Didn't DS admit that he shouldn't have fired Casserly?? Would Charlie come back and work here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept Cerrato around the first time... why wouldnt he do it the second time? Gota get that mongaloid out of the FO FIRST!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of Cerrato's decisions are really his. It could be that all he does is relay messages from the owner's box. Maybe he's the Sherman Lewis of GMs?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 22, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY!!!

Take asprin to get rid of the tumors sticking out of your head. See what that gets you.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs may be the only person out there who can truly get Danny to take a back seat.

Gibbs fires Vinny and hires a REAL GM.

Gibbs sits on Danny and keeps him out of the picture

Real GM hires new coach

Real GM and new coach work together to build new team with new coach and new O line and new QB and new RB and aggressive D

Superbowl!

Posted by: edvar | October 22, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I would like to throw my hat in the ring for Redskins Team President.

I have a Super Bowl in 5 years plan.

I would be willing to do the job for $350K per year plus bonuses for playoff and Super Bowl appearences.

My first three hires would Tom Polian (GM), Doug Williams (Dir Pro Personnel) and Russ Grimm (HC).

I also have a draft plan for the next several years laid out.

Mr. Synder if you are interested let me know.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 22, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Noone, Mr. Snyder would like to know if you need your relocation covered?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Does Blackwater work in country? Can we hire them to take care of Danny? Kidnap and hold him somewhere in the NC Mountains?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

anybody selling their tickets for the game?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Vinny isnt the root cause of failure. But guess what? DS isnt going to sell the team. NOT. GONA. HAPPEN. So whats the logical next step? Get rid of VC first. And go from there. If a REAL GM can be hired whether it be by DS or JG, its a step in the right direction.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 22, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Didn't DS admit that he shouldn't have fired Casserly?? Would Charlie come back and work here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 3:52 PM

Wow, there's a recipe for the Super Bowl: Charley Casserly as GM. Because he did such a good job...where?

He had two big accomplishments. He swapped Williams to Mike Ditka for Champ Bailey and picks, and he didn't draft Reggie Bush.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that while Jim Zorn, as well as Vincent Cerrato might be on the way out, the people that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder is thinking of replacing them with is none other than Steve Mariucci, as the head coach, and Matt Millen as the GM. Yes, that Matt Millen"

this is not change I can get behind....what have you done to this franchise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

this is not change I can get behind....what have you done to this franchise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 4:07 PM

But a pig in a poke calling plays from the booth after watching one game sounds like a step up?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Bean, you are cruel.

Posted by: edvar | October 22, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

YAY it must be 4 (est)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

what did I do???

copy and paste...don't shoot the messenger....ugh...if millen comes here...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

He had two big accomplishments. He swapped Williams to Mike Ditka for Champ Bailey and picks, and he didn't draft Reggie Bush.

Posted by: League-Source

Actually, I think a guy who has been observing from the broadcast booth for awhile might just be what the doctor ordered. He's had plenty of time to see all of the players and teams and understand what works and what doesn't. Casserly made some solid picks and he understands the value of an offensive lineman (he picked both Samuels and Jansen). I think I'd take Casserly over some hybrid headcoach/GM like Holmgren or Shanahan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Beathard says Gibbs has GM skills"


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, not quite. What Reid's post says is that Beathard claims that Gibbs has the "right management skills," and that Beathard was talking about Gibbs possibly being the team president and delegating personnel matters to a general manager, which apparently is the current set-up in Miami. I agree that Gibbs as personnel man did not work out during either of his stints with the team.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Noone, Mr. Snyder would like to know if you need your relocation covered?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 4:01 PM

No, just loan me the jet to commute back and forth a couple times a month during season and more frequently off-season.

I can stay at my friends basement, he has a great man cave. :)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Good one Bean!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder hires Joe Gibbs as President (which is a pipe dream, since he couldn't convince him to stay in the first place), who hires Bruce Allen as General Manager, who hires Russ Grimm as Head Coach.

Whatever Snyder does, it has to be HIRE A GM and get that guy in place NOW to start evaluating and set a long-term plan in place.

Posted by: Papalama | October 22, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd take Casserly over some hybrid headcoach/GM like Holmgren or Shanahan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 4:13 PM

Those aren't the choices. The choices are among legitimate NFL personnel people. All three guys you named were failures as GM's. Two of them were at least successful coaches, and the other one is a successful broadcaster.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

let's see Joe Gibbs or Vinny Cerrato, that's a tough call huh people?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Redskins might be one of the most screwed up teams in the league, but Eagles fans - the sweat pants, white sneaker, do-rag clad, drunken, utterly offensive in every way cretins slathered in hair gell - are by far the worst fan base, probably in the world.

And Dan Snyder, in his inability to overcome his little man, toy ego (as developed as Terrel Owens), has bent the Redskins over a sofa for them.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris Polian would work for me as GM as well.

Actually, anyone not named Vinny Cerrato (or Matt Millen) would work for me.

Posted by: Papalama | October 22, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

beat hard

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

He had two big accomplishments. He swapped Williams to Mike Ditka for Champ Bailey and picks, and he didn't draft Reggie Bush.

Posted by: League-Source

He also put together the replacement team in '87.
And he navigated that "Plan B" free agency thingy pretty well...I think guys like Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland, and Martin Mayhew were Plan B guys, who were also studs on the '91 SB team.

Of course, I also remember Congressman Shuler, Westbrook, and Andre Johnson as well.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

John Kent Cooke said his father wouldn't have hired Joe Gibbs the 2nd time around. He'd be looking at the future, not the past. Joe Gibbs was given the title "Team President" when he was hired in 2004 and yet kept Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 22, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think it could work with Gibbs as team president. However, it would have to be structured different than before.

When Gibbs was here recently he essentially made the final decision on personnel matters and some of them were horrendous (such as Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd, T.J. Duckett). Making too many mistakes like that keep your team from getting much past mediocre.

He also bought into the usual Snyder-Cerrato way of acquiring personnel, i.e. through high priced free agents rather than doing it mainly through the draft (although that seemed to be changing somewhat when Gibbs left).

This time Gibbs would have to be team president the way Beathard suggests, where he would hire a bona fide GM and let him hire the coaches and acquire personnel.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I like this idea. Joe Gibbs as Team President in the mold of Parcells in Miami.

A proven GM or assistant GM in the league now as the new Skins GM (get Cerrato outta here!). This person must be able to develop a great working relationship with Gibbs. Also this person should take on the overall head of football operations role once Gibbs is ready to go into permanent retirement.

Then give proper authority to this GM and allow him to go through a thorough process and find the next coach of the Skins. And no 12 hr marathon interviews at Snyder's house please!

Given this structure, you are not going to get a Gruden or Cowher or Shanahan who all will want more control. An ideal person would be Greg Williams (now wouldn't that be a trip!) or old Hog Russ Grimm. Grimm might be the best fit because the fan base loves him and you then bring a person from the glory days back into the fold. Hell, he never should have been allowed to leave years ago!

Dan Snyder will have to pull back and not meddle with the President and/or the GM. If Gibbs is the President, Snyder will not interfere. He has too much respect for him.

To entice Gibbs to come back, Snyder should consider throwing in a minority stake in the team -- say 5%!

For right now, fire Zorn after Monday Night, give Jerry Gray a shot for 9 gms and continue to allow Sherm Lewis to call the plays.

If this all goes down, my anxieties will be alleviated!

Posted by: gilk | October 22, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

VINNY CERRATO has DS balls in his hand..that's why he cannot fire him.

Now, if DS start losing money on the franchise, he could come to his senses and fire VC. And the best way to start this process is to:

BOYCOTT!! BOYCOTT their games.

Posted by: benjaesh | October 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Everything is obviously being set up for Zorn to get fired after the game on Monday. It seems like the plan has been in effect since we got "another set of eyes."

Even if the Skins somehow win big on Monday, Zorn will not be the play caller, so what difference does it make as far as his job goes. Snyder and Cerrato just need their new play caller to get established with the offense so they can let Zorn go.

Gray will be the interim coach after Monday. Snyder's PR people are already giving Gray more time with the press and limiting everybody elses time with the media. It is obvious what is going on here.

Snyder is really pretty shameless in the way he does things.

Posted by: cannontl | October 22, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Nah. He's done. Redskins better served with a proven, forward-leaning GM, and a corps of talent evaluators that look for specific talent to go along with whatever type of offensive and defensive scheme that is going on. You just can't say Gibbs/Beatherd anymore. There are dozens, hundreds of capable men (and women?) around who can do the job.

Joe and Bobby, and Charlie Casserly, and Marty Schottenheimer, and so on, they've had their chance.

Posted by: Meepo | October 22, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This blog entry didn't say anything about Gibbs as a GM. It said team president. He'd be the guy who hires a GM I would assume and would give the team a structure at the top. Which is badly needed, right now Snyder is the one guiding the ship.

Frankly, I agree with Beathard. I wouldn't mind this happening.

Would be good on many fronts. Good for PR and good to give the front office a sense of believability and trust that doesn't exist with Snyder in that capacity.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Some of you can read well. Some of you can't. For the latter group:

No one said Gibbs would be the team's general manager. And Beathard said nothing about it either. Read it again.

Gibbs would be team president and he would hire a GM who would then hire a coach. Beyond that, he would give the GM advice and be a liaison between him and Vinny.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 22, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Bring Gibbs Back

Posted by: perrindominic | October 22, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Come on, though, just how exactly is Joe Gibbs more qualified than Danny Snyder and the great Vinny Cerrato to run a football team? What success has Gibbs ever had in sports? Like three Super Bowl trophies and tons of Nascar victories mean anything.

Come on, this is the classic Cerrato/Snyder teams, the legends behind such acquisitions as Irving Fryar, Deion Sanders, and Malcolm Kelly! Keep up the good work, Vinny and Danny!

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | October 22, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

" 'Can we please just focus on getting Vinny at out of town? First things first.'

You're really not watching or reading ... are you? As someone has already said Vinny is not the problem, he is more a symptom. Getting Vinny out-of-town is like taking aspirin to cure Cancer. It won't solve what is.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 3:51 PM"

True, but conveniently incomplete. There is NO way to immediately cure "what IS" short of a time machine or magic wand.

How-ev-er. Much like treating cancer it is a multi-step process. [this is the super condensed version...so deal with it!]

1st you have tests done and map out the treatment plan with your doctors & specialists. [Danny meets with and appoints a new President of Football Operations].

2nd you do the surgery (if necessary). [well, we know Vinny is malignant in his current role, so Danny would remove him from it.]

3rd you begin post surgical treatment...often diet changes and chemotherapy [new Pres of Football OPS appoints a GM and he and pres of football OPS have preliminary discussions about team direction. Then GM interviews potential coaches, finally hiring one that he and Pres/Football OPS agree on.]

4th you do your follow up exams to see how the treatment is going [GM & Coach discuss direction of team, O & D schemes, and the process of hiring assistants begins]

5th you may need a follow up procedure or two down the road. [Coach/GM and the O & D coordinators evaluate the roster and begin removing undesired members...devising plan to pare down undesirables as soon as cap allows...replacing with better and more suitable players (skill & cap wise) along the way.

Gibbs has made MANY mistakes, in and out of football, but he has ALWAYS learned from them and come back better.

He built a solid racing business...after his debacles in real estate and investments.

He can do it for this team.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 22, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Time to turn the page on Gibbs. That ship has sailed. Marty demonstrated that he knows how to deal with Snyder (and Cerrato). If Snyder had any sense, he'd hire Marty to be GM/Personnel guy. Cowher would be the perfect coach to run Marty-ball in D.C.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 22, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Please with the Marty talk.

He's a stiff. Yeah, we went 8-8, but he's never won a playoff game in 35 years of coaching.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 23, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

While this is nice to think about, Gibbs would have to be insane to come back to this dysfunctional situation. He must know by now what Snyder's promises are worth.

No, he is nicely retired and I am sure enjoying the heck out of his grandkids esp that little one that was fighting cancer not to long ago. I am sure that is how things are going to stay. He will always have my undying respect.

Posted by: mrapier1 | October 23, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

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