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Belated Special Teams Review

Overlooked [i.e., forgotten] in the Monday Morning H-Back was an analysis of special teams play. Suffice it to say, there were issues there, too. (Please don't mistake this for the Rock Cartwright Special Teams Report, which will appear in its somewhat regularly scheduled timeslot Thursday).

The kicking and punting were true to recent form - which means shaky at best - and while Cartwright did his usual thing plowing straight ahead on kickoffs for as many yards as possible, Antwaan Randle El was again a nonfactor on punt returns.

It was surprising that Jim Zorn called for the 48-yard field-goal attempt in that swirling wind, given Shaun Suisham's recent struggles, and it sailed wide. The Redskins rank last in field-goal percentage, and Suisham has been missing attempts weekly in the second half of the season. I know there are limits on the roster size in training camp these days, but it seems that this team could use a little competition at kicker and punter next summer.

Ryan Plackemeier is been putting up numbers very much like those of Durant Brooks, the rookie cut to make room for him. Plackemeier has better hang time and has been better getting balls inside the 10 (though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence). But the raw numbers are eerily similar.

Brooks had an average of 39.6 yards and a net of 32.1. Plackemeier has an average of 40.4 yards and a net of 32.5. And the last few weeks the Redskins had one punt blocked and have had others deflected and nearly blocked, with Baltimore's aggressive approach exposing a few more problems.

Plackemeier felt okay about his performance overall. The wind made it a little tough, he said. "You really didn't know what you were going to hit until I was standing behind Ethan [Albright], ready to punt," he said.

He shanked one punt that he'd like to do over. "There's one I want back. I hit it about 30 yards off to the left and we were actually punting into a little breeze at that time and I just missed it," Plackemeier said. "Credit to Baltimore's rush team; they've got one of the best rush teams in the NFL and they got home twice and we were lucky to get one off. So they've got us thinking now, 'Hey, we've got to get these off.'

"So I've got to do my job and I wanted that one back and we punted seven times and I felt like we were pretty successful on five of them."

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 9, 2008; 8:28 AM ET
 
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First?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Jason. Leigh Torrance has been the difference in the punting and team malaise. I miss Leigh, such a light, a beacon in the dark. Just not the same team since he departed.

Posted by: gallrick | December 9, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Poor special teams reflects a lack of depth which reflects poor planning by the FO. Again: until the Skins hire a general manager, the issues which have plagued the team all these years will persist. As a fan, I'd prefer to take the correct path to rebuilding which is by holding on to draft picks and selecting versitile, inexpensive 'lunch-bucket' special teams guys from other squads. Such a point of view would have kept the likes of Vernon Fox and, yes, Leigh Torrence on the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 9, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

(though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence

Banging my head against my desk. Damn let it go especailly since you was pointing out that he wasn't dowing punts inside the 10.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Plackemeier has better hang time and has been better getting balls inside the 10 (though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence).


JLC,

You are an ignorant jack@ss with this Torrence sh!t, do your research and tell me how many balls Torrence downed in his carreer inside the ten. I will bet you the answer is under 5.

This post would have been great had you left that stupid line out of it, first of all it has no truth to it, secondly it makes you look like a whiny b!tch.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

You gotta be sh*tting me with ANOTHER Leigh Torrence reference. I just clicked 'report abuse' on your @ss...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

anyone catch the panters/bucs game last night. The panthers offense, is what I'd like to see the Redskins emulate. Good ground game, divided between 2 guys(which is the KEY), and a good verticle game. No reason that can't be done here, once the pieces on the OL are in place.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

I agree, but I don't see it happening with Jim Zorn. He's a pure west coast guy, and it's obvious by his quotes that he feels his system will work. And unless we somehow manage to land a couple Jonathan Ogden's or Walter Jones's (guys that can both pound you with the run AND shut you down 1 v 1 in the pass) I don't see the two styles meshing.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Here is a random fact for fans of epic significance,
If you count playoff games (and we all do). The Washington redskins will play their 1000th game in team history at some point towards the end of next season.

If my math is right (and wiki is correct) at the end of this regular season the team will have played 987 games, witch would make game 13 next year our 1000'th game. If we go to the playoffs then these numbers will change but none the less that is a significant day for our team, and should be marked with celebration and celebrity. The best part is we already have over 500 wins so no matter what we have a wining record.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Poor special teams reflects a lack of depth which reflects poor planning by the FO

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 9, 2008 8:45 AM

I don't necessarily agree with this statement. The poor play of the special teams could also reflect a philosophical change in coaching. Gibbs stressed the importance of ST often using starters on teams. Does JZ do the same? Does he emphasize that unit in general? These are questions that would first need to be answered

Posted by: TWISI | December 9, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I miss Leigh, such a light, a beacon in the dark. Just not the same team since he departed.

Posted by: gallrick

Actually, this is true. He was cut prior to Pittsburgh. Since then, it's been down the drain.

Whether or not that had to do with Leigh is another story...

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

You gotta be sh*tting me with ANOTHER Leigh Torrence reference. I just clicked 'report abuse' on your @ss...

Posted by: brownwood26

LMAO! I am work today and can't look it up. But if someone has the time go back and locate the post of JLC talking about Torrence not downing the ball within the 10.It would be great and show his bs.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

*** pre-beepage ***
Well, looking at last year's draft does help predict what will happen next year -- unless you think that if we just blog hard enough Snyder will sell the team, or Vinnie will get fired.
So -- I'm understand the decision to skip OL in the 2nd round. The pickings were getting slim. I understand Thomas & Kelly over DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal -- they valued size over speed.
I don't understand Fred Davis. I don't understand Fred Davis over Malcolm Kelly, or Calais Campbell, or Dan Conner. If each unit evaluates their position list, and then they aggregate the lists to come up with a master player ranking list, how does TE get that high on the priority list?

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

For u JM220.
At some point i think JLC does it just to get some goats

Ryan Plackemeier is been putting up numbers very much like those of Durant Brooks, the rookie cut to make room for him. Plackemeier has better hang time and has been better getting balls inside the 10 (though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence). But the raw numbers are eerily similar.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

psp, he's not a pure west coast guy, this isn't a pure west coast offense that he's running. Its more of a hybrid....

ah...the inevitable, weekly,"Why did they ever cut Leigh Torrence" jab at the FO...so predictable, and yet just so pathetic at the same time....laughable that Jla would even be bringing it up at this point...the most petty and technically lacking axe that has ever been ground.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Jason, I have thought that all the bashing was undeserved, but let the Torrence thing go. If you are going to make a comment like that you need to back it up with a stat like how many punts were downed when he was here as opposed to when wasn't. But bottom line let it go.

Posted by: oldtimer4 | December 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

daggar,

According to Vinny he was the highest rated player on there board at the time regardless of position.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

maybe we will get Davis to put 50 lbs on and become that pull guard we are dreaming of?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Actually, this is true. He was cut prior to Pittsburgh. Since then, it's been down the drain.

Can someone post the special team rankings the team had WLT, and WOLT

With Leigh Torrence

With-out Leigh Torrence??

I mean, I don't want to let something like facts muddy the waters, because facts in this situation, would lend NOTHING to this argument......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, thanks for the info.

Can anyone find a time that Torrance ever downed the ball inside the ten? My fondest recollections are of him just missing that feat!

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

From JLC Monday Morning post after the Brown game.


Special teams really hurt the Skins again. They got crushed in field position for the most part, and that kept an inept Browns offense in the game. Plackemeier has to get better - right? - because the 32-yard punts and stuff were weak. (Leigh Torrence failed to down the first punt deep, which could have turned the tide of the game early.) Rock Cartwright was a demon on teams as always, but those units struggled in critical areas again.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Antwaan Randle El was again a nonfactor on punt returns.

ARE racked up tremendous bonus points for sideline to sideline style.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 9, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Come on, guys. Even your fearless leader isn't dumb enough to make a statement like that with any seriousness. He obviously was just trying to stir up the few people on this blog who have some common sense.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 9, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

OMG...

as soon as i read liegh torrence,I just bust out laughing..

i have to believe he through that in there just to rile people up..


Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 9, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

From the Washington Times after Torrence was cut:


Although Torrence was a special teams mainstay with 11 tackles - tied for fourth on the team - he failed to down several punts inside the 10-yard line.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I generally defend you JLa but it's ridiculous to say that about Leigh Torrence downing in the 10 yard line. Give us some numbers otherwise leave that stuff out of it.

Posted by: Gweez | December 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm making a bold prediction this morning.....the Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl - and will probably come out champions. They are going to be the 2008-09 version of the 2007-08 Giants :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I hate to do this but someone called Norv the worst Head coach in history on the last thread. Sadly that is not even true for the team.

He was infact only the 12th worst coach in team history. The # by their name is their place in order of skins coaches. Then the year they were coach and then their wining%.

13 Mike Nixon 1959 – 1960 0.180
3 Eddie Casey 1935 0.20
9 Herman Ball[17] 1949 – 1951 0.200
21 Richie Petitbon 1993 0.250
14 Bill McPeak 1961 – 1965 0.310
23 Terry Robiskie[20] 2000 0.330
25 Steve Spurrier 2002 – 2003 0.380
17 Bill Austin 1970 0.430
11 Curly Lambeau 1952 – 1953 0.440
15 Otto Graham 1966 – 1968 0.440
12 Joe Kuharich 1954 – 1958 0.450
22 Norv Turner 1994 – 2000 0.450

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm making a bold prediction this morning.....the Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl - and will probably come out champions. They are going to be the 2008-09 version of the 2007-08 Giants :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to make a bold prediction that you are wrong.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 9, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

When the hell did Leigh Torrence ever down anything inside the 10!!!!

Please you're making this man out to be some gOD of special teams and coverage. He MUST be doing the same thing in NO right?

Somebody please check what his role is either in secondary or if he is even on teams.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 9, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Well just for statistics sake:

According to ESPN.com, pre vs. post LT

pre LT's cut (weeks 1-9): 13 punts downed inside the 20, 2 touchbacks

post LT's cut (weeks 10-14): 3 punts downed inside the 20, 4 touchbacks


Maybe JLC actually does have a leg to stand on with this....

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute.

I KNOW JLaC mention Leigh Torrence as a joke, right? You gots to be kidding me?

Wasn't Leigh Torrence the one who wasn't able to down a ball inside the 5 yard line his last game as a Skin?

Revisionist history by people of power is in effect. I'm glad he isn't writing history books.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Threw,not through.


and with all of the draft talk going on around here,i'm a little surprised at the lack of comments on this post(link)..

.zcezcest1 - the Skins are NOT in the hunt b/c we're not winning out. Let's use our common sense.

great article about the Skins 3 past drafts: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/teams/teamdraft.php?teamid=32


Posted by: cprob001 | December 9, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse
..


If you compare the skins to say baltimore,then hands down i'll take the skins drafts..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm making a bold prediction this morning.....the Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl - and will probably come out champions. They are going to be the 2008-09 version of the 2007-08 Giants :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 9:06 AM |

Lisa,

How would that be possible they run a WCO in the NFC east, and according to the NFL people we have on the blog that will never work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

And another thing....

Why is Plackmeir getting sooo much leeway? At this point in Brooks term as a skin, JLaC was beating the drum to bring in competition. Not next year, but the next day.

Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

If the Giants don't go to the Super Bowl, then it's Carolina. F Philly...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

So no one finds the 1000 game stat interesting? really? I guess we are too busy still getting riled up about Lehigh Fing TOernecne.


And I will spell his name right when I care.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Norv got six years to show what he could do.

And that's exactly what he did.

Posted by: daggar | December 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

has been better getting balls inside the 10 (though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence).

When did Torrence ever down a punt inside the 10? All I can remember is that was down there and couldn't get control of the ball.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

pre LT's cut (weeks 1-9): 13 punts downed inside the 20, 2 touchbacks

post LT's cut (weeks 10-14): 3 punts downed inside the 20, 4 touchbacks


Maybe JLC actually does have a leg to stand on with this....

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM |

Was it Torrence who downed them, the Punter also effect these numbers.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

C'mon guys, are we really surprised to see JLa make stuff up to fuel a criticism against the FO?

Posted by: p1funk | December 9, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Well just for statistics sake:

According to ESPN.com, pre vs. post LT

pre LT's cut (weeks 1-9): 13 punts downed inside the 20, 2 touchbacks

post LT's cut (weeks 10-14): 3 punts downed inside the 20, 4 touchbacks


Maybe JLC actually does have a leg to stand on with this....

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM

Not really...he's claiming punts downed inside the 10--the 20 is a very different stat. Where does it say that Torrence did the downing? Plus you've got a different punter...and where does it say it was downed in-bounds? Save your energy...JLC is definitely being a turd about this like Torrence was Steve Tasker or something...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Jason. Leigh Torrance has been the difference in the punting and team malaise. I miss Leigh, such a light, a beacon in the dark. Just not the same team since he departed.

Posted by: gallrick | December 9, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Exactly! We were something like 6-2 with Torrence, and now 1-4 without him. Might as well start looking at the draft for a suitable replacement. And someone who can play a slot receiver too. Oh, woe are we.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Why is Plackmeir getting sooo much leeway? At this point in Brooks term as a skin, JLaC was beating the drum to bring in competition. Not next year, but the next day.

Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor


It seems to me that he's giving Plackemeier a pretty harsh criticism here too. That's just what I got.

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

If you compare the skins to say baltimore,then hands down i'll take the skins drafts..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 9, 2008 9:09 AM |

The Ravens have a better O-Line and a way better D-Line, a potentially better QB. They have one of the best FS to ever play the game and same goes for MLB are you kidding me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Problem is there is no one else out there that can do any better than the big 1 in terms of punting. No one, nada, zip. They brought in guys to try them out and he was the only guy available.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

** FF Post **

Congratulations to 'Sween for "winning" the first phase of fantasy (and trouncing me last night thanks to DeAngelo) that one point win you had over me earlier this year made all the difference for me...

Here are the playoff brackets for teh top 8 in the #1 league.

#8 Team BeltwayBlues
#1 Ham Stweengs

#5 Team daggar
#4 Sthil Stumped

#6 Kost's Ozskins
#3 Flag Throwers Anon

#7 E-Funk All-Stars
#2 Proverbial Ham Sandwich

Congratulations to 4-12 for making it in by losing to Stumped (thanks to Antonio Bryant's 38 points), if he'd won - like he should have - I would be the #8 playoff contender. And then would have been trounced again by Sween this week so no matter!

Good luck to all this week. I now assume my rightful place as the #1 seed in the 'consolation bowl' tournament of 8. Maybe I can snatch that 'signed' Archuleta jersey yet!!

** FF Post Off **

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

This post would have been great had you left that stupid line out of it, first of all it has no truth to it, secondly it makes you look like a whiny b!tch.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse
Right on, Flounder. The real issue is the O line and D line. If JLaC would stick with that criticism, he would find a lot of traction with most of the bloggers. But he can't let go of LT. Boggles my mind.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

psp,

To defend JLC on the Torrence thing is a waist of your time and intelligence.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

anyone catch the panters/bucs game last night. The panthers offense, is what I'd like to see the Redskins emulate. Good ground game, divided between 2 guys(which is the KEY), and a good verticle game. No reason that can't be done here, once the pieces on the OL are in place.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Greg - This is what I was saying yesterday dude. You singing a different tune now?

Cause that ain't happening under JZ. He runds the WCO.

Carolina was and still is a hub for Redskins fans. The owner use to play for the Colts. He knows football. He knows you don't run the WCO on the East Coast. He knows what the fans like and want. Smashmouth Football with the long ball daggar.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Not really...he's claiming punts downed inside the 10--the 20 is a very different stat. Where does it say that Torrence did the downing? Plus you've got a different punter...and where does it say it was downed in-bounds? Save your energy...JLC is definitely being a turd about this like Torrence was Steve Tasker or something...

Posted by: brownwood26

It's impossible for me to save my energy. You guys should know by now, if I have an arguable point, I'm going to argue it to death.

I'm strictly going by espn.com stats, so I don't know about punts inside the 10.

"Where does it say that Torrence did the downing? Plus you've got a different punter...and where does it say it was downed in-bounds?"

Where does JLC say Leigh Torrence did the downing? All he said was that the punts haven't been downed deep since Leigh Torrence was released. According to this stat, that's true (although I'm unsure about inside the 10 stats).

Posted by: psps23 | December 9, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

fred,

I was reading the post and thinking it was a valid look at how bad we are in Punting and Kicking field goals, then when he throws that in there it makes everything else he wrote meaningless.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

One thing I took from last night's game: my Fins probably can't beat either of those teams.

And I don't think the Skins could either. Maybe missing the playoffs this year could be a blessing if it happens. You wouldn't want to go out like last year.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The Ravens have a better O-Line and a way better D-Line, a potentially better QB. They have one of the best FS to ever play the game and same goes for MLB are you kidding me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

LOL..in case you didn't read the article it discusses the drafts of the past 3-4 years,and not the class of 08'....and last i checked that MLB and great safty, i don't think they were drafted the last 3-4 years..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Re: Winning before Leigh Torrence vs. Losing after he was cut:

We are losing because our team isn't scoring any points. So, how can there be a direct corelation?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

So, how can there be a direct corelation?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Because Karma's a b!tch. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Psps23,

I'm saying just like you can't blame the deficiencies of an offense or defense on 1 player, you can't say that because Torrence is gone the ENTIRE special teams unit has fallen off the face of the earth. Torrence may have been good, but not so good that we have to rue the day the Skins cut him EVERY F-ING WEEK.

And for stats, I would go to NFL.com. Stuff tends to be official there and ESPN (aka Access Hollywood for sports) is probably adding a Dallas-biased slant to league-wide stats knowing that corrupt outfit...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 9, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Just read on espn.com that if you guys can prove JLC is biased and/or Leigh Torrance sucks, the NFL will credit the Skins with three more wins and free pass to the playoffs! So go get them flounder!

Posted by: mack1 | December 9, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

How would that be possible they run a WCO in the NFC east, and according to the NFL people we have on the blog that will never work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:10 AM

I'm an NFL fan, not affiliated with the NFL though (Trying to get the legal mumbo jumbo out the way)...

The Eagles winning the SB is laughable flounder.

To correct my self, One team did win the SB with a WCO. TB. But they are on the West Coast of the state, so maybe that dosen't count (and that being they mostly won on the strength of their defense). And what have they done since?

Either way, my (meaningless) theory hasn't been proven wrong in the NFC East so far, so good luck trying to knock it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

fred,

I was reading the post and thinking it was a valid look at how bad we are in Punting and Kicking field goals, then when he throws that in there it makes everything else he wrote meaningless.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse
Yes, same reaction here. I'm beginning to think (hope) that a couple of bloggers are right that JLaC is just stirring the pot. It doesn't come across as tongue in cheek, but that is hard to pick up on the internet. So I'm still thinking that he is serious. WOW!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 9, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Ya'll do realize he's just doing the Torrence thing to annoy you and get ticked off and blogging about. The more posts the better, so why not say things that annoy so people post more. We haven't downed a punt all season with or without Torrence.

Since I saw the "NFC Playoff Picture" board on MNF last night and we are conspicuously missing from it, I feel its appropriate to discuss offseason plans now. Since thanks to last year's draft we are going to have to rebuild our lines through free agency here is my hope for the offseason:

Resign:
Rogers
Hall

Do not resign Kendall

Cut:
Springs
Taylor
Griffin

Lloyd's 5.5 and Wade's 1.1 million drops off as well

Sign:
Haynesworth DT (Guaranteed Free Agency with Pro Bowl appearance)
Jahri Evans G
Mike Goff G
Bart Scott OLB
Chris Canty DE (he's still young and has been buried in Dallas' 3-4 at 300 pounds can still rush the passer would be perfect for our D and wouldn't cost near what Suggs or Peppers are going to cost if you can't get him Kevin Carter from Tampa)

Draft:
1 - Moreno (Portis can't handle the workload they gave him first 10 weeks and Betts isn't special, we already have youth at receiver and end and we've seen what happens when our running game disappears if CP is hurt)
3 - O Tackle
5 - Dend
6 - best available

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

LOL..in case you didn't read the article it discusses the drafts of the past 3-4 years,and not the class of 08'....and last i checked that MLB and great safty, i don't think they were drafted the last 3-4 years..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 9, 2008 9:23 AM |

LOL there 2007 draft is better then are last 3-4 years by itself not including 2008, OOL stand for Out of League there entire starting O-Line has come from these drafts.

2007 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 29 Ben Grubbs G Starting LG
3 74 Yamon Figurs WR On Active roster
3 86 Marshal Yanda T backup RG
4 134 Antwan Barnes LB Backup OLB
4 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Good RB who torched us
5 174 Troy Smith QB State Backup QB
6 207 Prescott Burgess LB IR
Jared Gaither T Starting LT
2006 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 12 Haloti Ngata DT One of the best NT in the league
2 56 Chris Chester C Starting RG
3 87 David Pittman DB OOL
4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon
4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech
5 146 Dawan Landry SS IR but starter when healthy
5 166 Quinn Sypniewski TE Colorado
6 203 Sam Koch P Nebraska
6 208 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming
7 219 Ryan LaCasse LB Syracuse
2005 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 22 Mark Clayton WR Starting WR
2 53 Dan Cody LB Oklahoma
2 64 Adam Terry T Syracuse
4 124 Jason Brown C Starting Center
5 158 Justin Green RB Montana
6 213 Derek Anderson QB Oregon State
7 234 Mike Smith LB Texas Tech
2004 - Baltimore Ravens
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 51 Dwan Edwards DT Oregon State
3 82 Devard Darling WR Washington State
5 153 Roderick Green LB Central Missouri State
6 187 Josh Harris QB Bowling Green State
6 199 Clarence Moore WR Northern Arizona
7 244 Derek Abney WR Kentucky
7 246 Brian Rimpf T East Carolina

2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State Good Player
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC OOL
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh Good backup
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso terrible
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan OOL
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)Good Player
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota Good Player
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado not so good
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia Good Player
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona OOL
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee OOL
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn Good CB can't catch
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn good QB
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA OOL
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville OOL
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford OOL
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel OOL
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) Great player (Dead)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State Very good TE
5 151 Mark Wilson T California OOL
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame OOL

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Plackemeier has better hang time and has been better getting balls inside the 10 (though those are rarely downed deep since the release of Leigh Torrence)."

This is an unbelievably dishonest statement, since 1) Leigh Torrence has not downed a single punt inside the 10 this season (source: nfl.com play-by-play) and 2) Brooks and Plack each have 3 punts inside the 10, which, given the fact that Plack has punted 36 times to Brooks' 26, means that Brooks has actually done better than Plack at pinning the opponent inside the 10. (source: same)

Posted by: Petrosyan63 | December 9, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Does the skins coaching staff even realize that Deangalo Hall is on our team? That guy should be returning punts for sure, randel el sucks.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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