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Free-Agent Shopping in the Bargain Bin

When free agency started, these were a few players I figured could be intriguing purchases. None of them was spectacular, but these guys merited an investment, I thought, provided they could be matched up with the right teams. Although the bulk of free agency is over and some of them have been signed, there are still some bargains to be found. In any event, I'll be keeping an eye on these guys (who are listed in no particular order) throughout this season, since some received just one-year deals:

Cornerback Leigh Bodden: Yes, he was part of a horrendous Lions defense last season, and has bounced around a bit, but in the right scheme he could be a solid cover guy. Of the "bargain" corners out there, he's the one I liked best -- as a nickel guy if nothing else. We'll see if the Pats got a steal.

Quarterback Byron Leftwich: A D.C. product like Bodden (maybe I'm biased toward the hometown guys), he's someone who I thought could add value and security to the backup spot, and be a solid spot starter. Yes, he's immobile and not a fit in every offense, but he was certainly quite good in the half he played against the Skins last season. In a QB-starved league in which other retreads got deals, I find it a little odd that he hasn't got a sniff. Would have to think he'll get one sometime this spring.

Right tackle Ray Willis: Something of a bust his first few years in the NFL, he was rushed into a starting role because of a slew of injuries and produced well. I thought he'd generate more interest, and Washington certainly liked him, but by the time he re-signed in Seattle, the Redskins had pretty much tapped out their cap space. Might end up being a one-year wonder, but at 26, and with good size, he was worth taking a chance on I thought.

Centers Jeff Saturday/Matt Birk: I didn't think either would leave his current team, and in the end only Birk hit the market and left. Both got deals in the three-year, $12-million range, and, nearing the end of their careers, offer leadership and stability for a few more years. (I almost added aging Chargers guard Mike Goff as well. He can't pull quite like he used to do, but he was a driving force on that line when LaDainian Tomlinson was tearing it up and is someone I'd think would find a job in the next few weeks, barring a medical red flag I'm not aware of).

Wide receivers Bobby Engram/D.J. Hackett: Both seem like pretty good slot guys in a West Coast system and neither has a high price tag. If you can keep them healthy, they'll likely produce, and can make it happen in high-traffic areas. K.C. got Engram; Hackett is still out there. (The Redskins had him for a visit last year but would not offer more than a vet-min one-year deal; the team has expressed no interest in him this offseason, according to a league source).

Defensive tackle Jovan Haye: He had six sacks for the Bucs in 2007 and while consistency has been a problem, he's only 26 and has time to improve. He won't be replacing Albert Haynesworth after signing with Tennessee -- Haynesworth is of a different class of player, for sure -- but could be a strong part of a rotation that includes some good second-year linemen. The 4-year, $16 million deal is cap friendly and some execs rated him the best of the tackle class after Haynesworth, who was by far the best of the bunch.

Any under-the-radar guys who caught your eye? Anyone out there you'd like to see the Skins squeeze in?

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 19, 2009; 3:35 PM ET
 
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Sup witcha!?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

On the Shanahan-Cutler thing, I must admit, I don't understand why a coach falls in love with his QB like that.

But now Pioli in KC and McDaniels in Denver, both ex-Pats, seem to have total man crushes for Matt Cassel.

McDaniels is looking especially foolish, like the guy who lost out on the woman he loved ... to his former best friend. After all, McDaniels broke up with Jay Cutler before their first date, just to pursue a QB he'll have to pay dearly for.

If we get Cutler, we get Shanahan. Man love. What are you gonna do?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Amani Toomer! I want a Too-mah!

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

How ya like me now? My second First! Or is that my first second? %^@&! Had to go and ruin a good thing

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

We need to get younger not twice our age. No Too-Mah Arnold

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

zj -- not a bad idea. not sure how much he'll cost, but if he can play like McCardell did a couple seasons back, not a bad guy to have.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear what is going on with Tauscher @ RT. Is he healthy? What type of $$$ is he looking for? Are the Skins Interested and if so can they afford him?

We have to do something at RT but I have a feeling nothing will be there @ 13 except for defense...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

zj -- not a bad idea. not sure how much he'll cost, but if he can play like McCardell did a couple seasons back, not a bad guy to have.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

exactly, not big enough name to push Kelly and Thomas down the depth chart but good enough to produce if we need him to and big enough to be a red zone threat, plus knows the division and the Giants pretty well.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

My bracket is shot to $!^$@^&* already.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Maryland up 2 with 1:29 left in first half, Cal at the line for 2

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree on Bodden, he's on his third team in 3 years, and has fallen off greatly since playing for Cleveland. Plus he turned down a 4 year deal with the pats for a 1 year deal.

I'd like to have seen the write-up that would have been posted by Jla, had we signed any of those guys. Take whats written above, and spin in 180 degrees....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Skins aren't going to spend money on a position they used 2 draft picks to fill last year. The rookies are going to have to produce. Plain & simple

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

My bracket is shot to $!^$@^&* already.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

after 3 games and no upsets?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Skins aren't going to spend money on a position they used 2 draft picks to fill last year. The rookies are going to have to produce. Plain & simple

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

maybe not but with Kelly's knee and Thomas' brain they should have some insurance just in case...I still think they might add a vet, they won't use another pick, but adding a vet or bring McMullen and Mix back for the pre-season I think happens.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse


My bracket is shot to $!^$@^&* already.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

after 3 games and no upsets?

Yeah, I always pick the upsets. i've lost 2 games already...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree on Bodden, he's on his third team in 3 years, and has fallen off greatly since playing for Cleveland. Plus he turned down a 4 year deal with the pats for a 1 year deal.

I'd like to have seen the write-up that would have been posted by Jla, had we signed any of those guys. Take whats written above, and spin in 180 degrees....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Bodden only signed 1 year with NE because he's unsure just how he will be used or treated. Feeling out process

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Folks want to hate on Obama for filling out a 'bracket'?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 3:38 PM

Filling out the bracket was fine. The problem is that he has AIG beating all opposition and winning the big dance.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Maryland by 3 at the half...

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse


Skins aren't going to spend money on a position they used 2 draft picks to fill last year. The rookies are going to have to produce. Plain & simple

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

maybe not but with Kelly's knee and Thomas' brain they should have some insurance just in case...I still think they might add a vet, they won't use another pick, but adding a vet or bring McMullen and Mix back for the pre-season I think happens.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Just no loot for insurance. we have to sign draft picks yet and hopefully a RT.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I want Leftwitch.

He'd be a burnin' #2.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 19, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Here we are talking football, draft cap etc... and Baseball is about to start. we still have many, many moons before our boys hit the field again.

(hugs Cooley doll)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

but with Kelly's knee and Thomas' brain
Posted by: zjfr2 | March 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse
That only works in Kansas, as I remember.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

(The Redskins had him for a visit last year but would not offer more than a vet-min one-year deal; the team has expressed no interest in him this offseason, according to a league source).

By Jason La Canfora | March 19, 2009; 3:35 PM ET

The consensus here is that Jasno's "league source" is TheCork, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins had him for a visit last year but would not offer more than a vet-min one-year deal; the team has expressed no interest in him this offseason, according to a league source).

By Jason La Canfora | March 19, 2009; 3:35 PM ET

The consensus here is that Jasno's "league source" is TheCork, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Sounds bout right!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | March 19, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Angelo Crowell (OLB)would be good but just sign with the bucs. I also like who he is replacing in tampa Cato june (olb) cato is a local also.

Posted by: why-hate | March 19, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I feel ZERO pressure on my bracket. Actually, I can't remember most of my picks. I do have Cornell beating Wake Forest to reach the finals.

No pressure

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

JLa shows why he knows more about soccer and baseball........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This is the Dumbest Posting I have read yet, why would we have anyone on that list that is already signed...who cares...why not make a list of the BEST F'N players out there still and who should we try and get or any feedback from FO on those available players.

JLAC YOU SUCK I HATE YOUR INABILITY TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 19, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

JLa shows why he knows more about soccer and baseball........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:16 PM

Really? I'm not sure about his expertise in either of those sports either. I think is strength is Doodlebops. He had a few killer posts on them last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

No pressure...


Go Big Red! If they can just get past Missouri maybe just maybe......

Posted by: will_ga | March 19, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Calhoun and Lawson arent being missed today.

Posted by: will_ga | March 19, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Damn peeps, do you read and spin it how you want, or do you try and understand what was wrote?

What I wrote wasn't the bible, it was just a quote from coach K, that is all...

But what I did add, (And sorry for bring this up, but I did breath life back into the blog - it smelled like... for a sec) was that by having him on TV filling out a bracket while the country is in the shape that it is in, doesn't look good. I don't care what anyone says.

Remember how many of you had you panties in a bunch when Cerrato did the radio show thing? Same thing.

Let me make this clear for I have all the pro-Obama peeps on my ass - I support him, I want him to succed, I VOTED FOR THE GUY - but I'm not going to act like he's the 3rd coming of Jesus H. Christ. When he makes mistakes I will critize him the same way I did George Bush.

Some of you need to set your agendas aside for a sec, and look at the big picture.

Having him fill out a NCAA bracket on national TV does nothing but fuel the argument of his detractors that he's not qualified for the job, and that he got the position becuase he's more popular than McCain is.

I mean, pro or anti-Obama, you guys can't see that? That's all I was stating with that post...

Gawd!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Redskins acquire some bonafide DEs. The characteristics of any acquired DE should be around 6'4" to 6'7" from 280 lbs to around 300 lbs. I'd acquire two and immediately place one on the left side. Imagines a DE as described along side a 6'6" 325 lb Haynesworth. Eventually, I would move the other stout DE on the right side and allow Andre Carter to place his natural LB position. The Redskins would move from 4th in Defense to number 1 and you know it. Smoot and butterfinger Rogers would never have to tackle Brandon Jacobs because Jacobs would never make it into the secondary. Old man Fletcher would clean up the dirty work. That is how I see it.

Posted by: dlyles42 | March 19, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the coach K quote is the lead on the Drudge Report right now & I'm sure it will be all over Fox tonight!

Posted by: will_ga | March 19, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

red, any type of political talk up here always ends badly.....I hear, and appreciate your honesty....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 19, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

JLaC does write some interesting bird cage liner...I mean could you tell the crap from the crap?

Posted by: sources | March 19, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

hmmm... Donte Stallworth runs down a guy in his Bentley. AH hurts someone in his Ferrari. Santana rides around in a... Dodge Magnum? Maybe AH needs scale it back & go domestic too.

Posted by: will_ga | March 19, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV-

I am a Black Man who advocating against Obama. He is showing his inexperince now as we speak in real situations (AIG/StockMarket/Palestine/killing DC School Voucher program that sends 2,700 DC kids to private schools including the one his own daughters go to. Now they are forced to go back to their low level public school and possibly suffer. 'Hey Barack, why don't you pull your own kids out of school and have them go to a public school like you are making DC kids do who were in private schools on the voucher program?').

But, I will never advocate taking an American Right away such as filling out one's March Madness Bracket. Never.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The Dodge is one of many cars Santan drives. Not even his main car.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

LH - I am glad that Calhoun is resting now. I picked UConn to win it. And guess what?

"If there is such a thing as a good omen arising from a potentially serious situation, it's this. In the past, Calhoun has missed three NCAA Tournament games. In two of those instances, the Huskies went on to win a national championship.
"

Updated from your earlier CBS article......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

MD up by 9. UNC up by 41. Guess which game is being shown????

Posted by: will_ga | March 19, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting a blank screen with this online video player....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

its over for Cal. Which makes my life easier, since Berkeley grads are all over this area.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy with Kevin Carter or Elton Brown

Posted by: coparker5 | March 19, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

But what I did add, (And sorry for bring this up, but I did breath life back into the blog - it smelled like... for a sec) was that by having him on TV filling out a bracket while the country is in the shape that it is in, doesn't look good. I don't care what anyone says.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2009 4:27 PM

i agree... can't believe that this clown obama has been taking the time out of a job to relax, eat, sleep, read the paper, make-out with his wife, take a shower, play with his kids, fill out a bracket... what a DB!

i want my president to be 'working on' the economy 24/7... that's what every other world leader has been doing... i certainly don't take any time away from MY job to, say, post on a crappy blog all day...

that said, cutler sucks, and the skins should sign john carney...

Posted by: poopoobigelow | March 19, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Red,

Nobody (at least I'm not) is criticizing you for being critical of when Obama makes a mistake.

What I'm criticizing you (or anybody else) for is making any sort of connection between filling out an NCAA tournament bracket with the current economic situation. They're unrelated, and it's simply juvenile and ignorant to make that sort of connection.

As far as this:

"Having him fill out a NCAA bracket on national TV does nothing but fuel the argument of his detractors that he's not qualified for the job, and that he got the position becuase he's more popular than McCain is."

That is not a mistake. Trying to paint that as a mistake is giving credence to the "detractors" for making such puerile claims. I could care less what people say about things of this nature. When somebody points something like this out, it tells me more about that person than it does about Obama.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” - Theodore Roosevelt

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 19, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Nobody (at least I'm not) is criticizing you for being critical of when Obama makes a mistake.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 5:13 PM |

We're criticizing him for picking UNC. UNC=AIG. He'll be a one-term president if he doesn't wise up. Go Duke!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

+++I am a Black Man who advocating against Obama. He is showing his inexperince now as we speak in real situations ( ---4TH FLOOR++++

Nobody cares what race you are here. If you think that by announcing you are a Black Man against Obama, it carries more weight, it does not.

Nice to know you've given the Brother a full, what? two months before passing judgment. One of the republican heros, Rush Limbaugh outwardly hoped he'd screw up before he got in office. Okay, maybe it was the Oxycontin talking. But it's typical.

I know the Republicans who left after 8 years left the country in massive debt, America's reputation in shambles, the military much worse off than it was, 4000 plus Americans dead, New Orleans drowned, the environment much worse of than it was, two wars fought badly and screwed up, one 9/11 mastermind still wandering free, the Supreme court damaged, th Justice department humiliated, and four books full of inane mutterings dubbed "Bushisms" by those of us who laugh to keep from crying.

You wanted four more years of Republican Rule--with Granpa and the idiot from Alaska? Swell, let them run again in three years and ten months. In the meantime, Republicans have earned the right to shut up and let someone with a brain try to take the Ship of State off the shoals it was driven onto.

It's bad enough the GOP screwed up as bad as they did, what really frosts is they are shamelessly attempting to sabotage those trying to correct their mess, and if that means bring the country down doing it, that's fine with them.

Posted by: TheCork | March 19, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

When somebody points something like this out, it tells me more about that person than it does about Obama.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Well said.

Posted by: buke | March 19, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares what race you are here.

Posted by: TheCork | March 19, 2009 5:20 PM |
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Speak for yourself, you bloated, bitter piece of dung.

Better yet, go wail out your basement window at all the things that have transformed you into a whining little girl whose only outlet for frustration is in cyber space.

Enjoy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 19, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

vonnie holiday/tauscher if cheap enough

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 19, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Brackets? We're talkin' bout Brackets!?!?

Posted by: buke | March 19, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares what race you are here.

Posted by: TheCork | March 19, 2009 5:20 PM |
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Speak for yourself, you bloated, bitter piece of dung.

Better yet, go wail out your basement window at all the things that have transformed you into a whining little girl whose only outlet for frustration is in cyber space.

Enjoy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 19, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

So you do care about what race we are? I just want to make it clear that I'm 1/8 werewolf, 1/8 jewish, 1/4 Irish, and 1/2 Albanian. I am solely responsible for the werewolf barmitzah video by tracy jordan and the movie wag the dog.

Posted by: buke | March 19, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Say it together, friends:

LET'S GOOOOOOOO MARYLAND!!

Posted by: p1funk | March 19, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I prefer they don't sign anyone else with the exception of maybe Daniels until after the draft. Let's see what happens then, as players will be added and/or possibly traded. There will be plenty of players available later to fill in with.

Posted by: sysadb420 | March 19, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Red,

I realize your post was more concerned with Obama's image than his actual actions. My criticisms were more about the "detractors" making that claim.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Agree we should sign Daniels and then see what goes down during the draft. Too many optiond on thetable re the draft to go out and spend more money on FA. We need to keep our options open to entertain draft day proposals from teams looking to move up.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I feel ZERO pressure on my bracket. Actually, I can't remember most of my picks. I do have Cornell beating Wake Forest to reach the finals.

No pressure

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That post (although probably sarcastic) made my day. Cornell alumni (like myself) and current students could only hope!

Also, if we happened to pick up Leftwich, Jason Campbell would have a probowl year. There are three reasons for this:

1. Because the world isn't right with out D. Snyder wasting money. If Campbell is a probowler, why did we get Leftwich

2. Despite Campbell's monster year, Snyder wants Leftwich to play so... (see 2000 for results and similarities).

3. This would make it easier for Campbell to walk away after next year and torch us on a regular basis.

FYI, I say us not only as a fan but as a former employee (not one that was laid off).

Posted by: moosepod | March 19, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Folks want to hate on Obama for filling out a 'bracket'?****
I don't get that at all, but here is something I do find interesting.

Headlines On This Date 4 Years Ago:
"Republicans spending $42 million on inauguration while troops Die in unarmored Humvees"
"Bush extravagance exceeds any reason during tough economic times"
"Fat cats get their $42 million inauguration party, Ordinary Americans get the shaft"
Headlines Today:
"Historic Obama Inauguration will cost only $170 million"
"Obama Spends $170 million on inauguration;
America Needs A Big Party"
"Everyman Obama shows America how to celebrate"
"Citibank executives contribute $8 million to Obama Inauguration" ******


Posted by: lsskinsfan
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from previous post

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 19, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty worthless as even at the vet minimum they aren't going to get the help they need. They are going to have problems just signing Marcus Washington or Philip Daniels given their current conundrum.

It really appears to be a case where the Redskins are going to play the trading game during the draft with both draft picks and players with a constant eye on the salary cap and the special one-off rules associated with its final year.

So, trades? Who would make the best potential trade partner? Who would be interested in making deals with the Redskins for future picks, and players? Which players on the current roster generate the most interest?

At this point I think this is the direction things are headed ... don't you?

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

+++You wanted four more years of Republican Rule--with Granpa and the idiot from Alaska?++++

An idiot calling someone else an idiot.....OH THE IRONY!!!!

Pot, kettle.........kettle, pot!

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 19, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

... Jesus H. Christ. ...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2009 4:27 PM

The "H" stands for haploid ... it has to do with his mom ... Catholic geneticists will get this.

The free agent I wanted (still do ... I don't he's signed yet) to the Skins to go for is RFA, Harvey Dahl, on the Falcons. Frankly, anybody on the Titans' offensive line (who made Kerry Collins look good) or Atlanta's (no rookie QB is THAT good all by himself) is worthy of buckets of money and/or a pick or two.

Posted by: dcsween | March 19, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I am in the Indigo race ... :)
(Definitely primo "chick crack". ~laughing~)

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"The free agent I wanted (still do ... I don't he's signed yet) to the Skins to go for is RFA, Harvey Dahl, on the Falcons. Frankly, anybody on the Titans' offensive line (who made Kerry Collins look good) or Atlanta's (no rookie QB is THAT good all by himself) is worthy of buckets of money and/or a pick or two.

Posted by: dcsween | March 19, 2009"

They all also seem to know both the tackle and guard positions. Clabo too.

No way they trade with the Skins methinks.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

4th, if I remember correctly, you posted on here you were supporting Huckabee.

Posted by: mack1 | March 19, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"The free agent I wanted (still do ... I don't he's signed yet) to the Skins to go for is RFA, Harvey Dahl, on the Falcons. Frankly, anybody on the Titans' offensive line (who made Kerry Collins look good) or Atlanta's (no rookie QB is THAT good all by himself) is worthy of buckets of money and/or a pick or two.

Posted by: dcsween | March 19, 2009"

I would like to see Bugel get 3 promising rookies in the top 2 rounds for the offensive line. T, G, C/G.

Have to think there is a good chance they getting starting nods before the middle of next season.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Hackett? Check his stars from last season, Devin Thomas was better. We got our free agents already. The only interesting one's left are Washington and Daniels.

Change the name of the post from Redskins Insider to Ask the fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 19, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Neither Dahl nor Tyson Clabo have signed their RFA tenders. If a team wants to sign either to an offer than the Falcons won't match, then the signing team has to cough up draft picks (I think that's how restricted free agency works). It wouldn't be a trade.

Also, Tyjuan Hagler (OLB/Colts) still seems to be lurking out there.

Posted by: dcsween | March 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I feel ZERO pressure on my bracket. Actually, I can't remember most of my picks. I do have Cornell beating Wake Forest to reach the finals.

No pressure

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That post (although probably sarcastic) made my day. Cornell alumni (like myself) and current students could only hope!

Posted by: moosepod


Cornell's had dominant teams ... Eamon McEanany (RIP) in lacrosse, Ken Dryden in hockey. Ummmm... that's about it.

Now if we were doing Frozen Four brackets ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Hate on Moe for saying it, but JLC picks ain't all that bad.

Not splashy, not big name oriented, low rent fill ins that don't break the bank.

Dre Bly over Bodden, though.

But because they come well after the fact, he's like the 'I-told-you-so' friend who always knows who was supposed to win the Super Bowl every Monday morning.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I suppose Donte Stallworth's career is over...i live in Florida...reports coming out of Miami is he was indeed over the legal limit..which means he is looking at 15 years for manslaughter ...

Posted by: leevi98 | March 19, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Perc - I agree; they won't do much because they can't do much. As I suggested on the Daniels thread yesterday they can only get rid of players with small contracts, as most of the starters have contracts burdened with bonus cap obligations that can't be deferred out to 2010.

I don't see any players left on the FA market that look like a starter at OT or OLB, so why waste precious cap on anybody? At this point you sign players to salary-only deals so they can be cut without a cap hit if needed. Maybe a punter or something.

Posted by: sysadb420 | March 19, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

just read through last two threads, and am dumber for it. If RI was a cocktail party it would be the worst cocktail party of all time.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 19, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I do have Cornell beating Wake Forest to reach the finals.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I could have stated that its my alma mater beating my girlfriend's alma mater. Or I could have said it me beating my girlfriend, but that would have been misinterpreted by Cindy ... so I'll leave it as Cornell over Wake. Big Red over Demon Deacons. Oh yes, Cornell 73-71 over Pitt (I think) in the finals. You can take it to the bank.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse


Hail

'...Sup witcha!?...'

I'm stealing this.

I'm running low on cool, slang-a-listic hip hop type expressions.

It's a consequence of middle age, brain cells murdered in college, ummmm, "Not Inhaling..."

Wait a minute, some dude's used that already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

If they could get him cheap. Derrick Brooks could be a decent stop gap for a year or two.

Posted by: skinswest | March 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

just read through last two threads, and am dumber for it. If RI was a cocktail party it would be the worst cocktail party of all time.

Posted by: chrislarry

Could there be anything more over rated than a 'cocktail party'?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

'...Donte Stallworth's career is over......reports coming out of Miami is he was indeed over the legal limit..which means he is looking at 15 year...'

So over the next 15 years in prison, he'll change position from wide receiver to somebody's tight end.

Maybe him and Rae Carruth can share
canteens and hemorroid cream.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"Could there be anything more over rated than a 'cocktail party'?"

yeah RI


Posted by: chrislarry | March 19, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

are there any FA sports writers that could upgrade JLC's position. I would do it but I can't afford the paycut.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Could there be anything more over rated than a 'cocktail party'?"

yeah RI

Posted by: chrislarry

then why aren't you at at cocktail party?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"then why aren't you at at cocktail party?"

good point, i'll go find

Posted by: chrislarry | March 19, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

'...Donte Stallworth's career is over......reports coming out of Miami is he was indeed over the legal limit..which means he is looking at 15 year...'

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 6:28 PM

Not so fast. This is Florida. They still haven't tried those kids that (are alleged to have) killed Sean Taylor. Stallworth can play another three or four seasons before he has his day in court.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

no to derrick brooks. I think we can all agree that we don't need any aging vets. Except for daniels and Washington maybe

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 19, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

no to derrick brooks. I think we can all agree that we don't need any aging vets. Except for daniels and Washington maybe

Posted by: pabrian2003

We may not WANT a bunch of aging vets, but that's about all we can afford.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

4th, if I remember correctly, you posted on here you were supporting Huckabee.

Posted by: mack1 | March 19, 2009 6:02 PM

My man. Yes I did. huckabee vs. Obama would have been mnore compelling.

It went from,

Huckabee to
Biden to
Biden/Palin

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

From NFL.com blog >>>Here are the two other notable prospects:

LB Clint Sintim (6-3, 253 pounds) ran 4.44 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.54 seconds in the three-cone drill, and he did position drills.

just sayin' is all

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 19, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot about those preferences that seem odd to me 4th. (The least of which being you advocating a ticket with two vice presidents from opposing parties.) Living a little further south than you I see a side of the republican party that comes across as overtly hostile towards people of color. So I find it strange when someone of color claims to support republican candidates. Honestly though, after the last 8 years I find it strange that anyone still supports republican candidates.

Posted by: mack1 | March 19, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"no to derrick brooks. I think we can all agree that we don't need any aging vets. Except for daniels and Washington maybe
Posted by: pabrian2003
We may not WANT a bunch of aging vets, but that's about all we can afford.
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Meanwhile, the Patriots, those perennial losers, sign WR Joey Galloway, who turns 38 on Nov. 20...

Guess Belichick doesn't know what he's doing, huh? At least not in comparison to Skins fans.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Prior to FA... I heard that Tank Johnson had really turned around the issues he had in Chicago... I'm surprised he is still unsigned... Wouldn't mind giving him a shot if he wouldn't cost too much.

Posted by: tony325 | March 19, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, the Patriots, those perennial losers, sign WR Joey Galloway, who turns 38 on Nov. 20...

Guess Belichick doesn't know what he's doing, huh? At least not in comparison to Skins fans.

Posted by: Samson151 |

Still hoping the Pats sign Jason Taylor ... just because I made a longshot call back in January, when Taylor was still a Redskin.

The Pats did sign a Taylor and did sign a recently cut former Redskin -- but so far, I only got the 'Jason Taylor leaving DC' part right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"The free agent I wanted (still do ... I don't he's signed yet) to the Skins to go for is RFA, Harvey Dahl, on the Falcons. Frankly, anybody on the Titans' offensive line (who made Kerry Collins look good) or Atlanta's (no rookie QB is THAT good all by himself) is worthy of buckets of money and/or a pick or two. DC Sween"

Then I think you'd be overpaying. The O-lines of both clubs played well as a unit. But in terms of individual talent, they're not all that exceptional.

Kerry Collins did a whole lot to make the Titans look so much better than they did when Vince Young was back there. For one, he stayed in the pocket. For another, he resisted the temptation to step up and inadvertnetly put himself closer to the rush tackle. Third, he threw to the correct receiver -- usually, the one that was open.

In a lot of ways, his season resembled Jason Campell's (I know you don't want to hear that). Not all that many big plays, but very few errors.

The rookie in Atlanta also played a big role in the line's success. He threw the ball well, especially off his back foot. He ran the simplified offense better than his predecessors. And despite his youth, he knew when to hand the ball off and get out of the way of those running backs.

All of which make linemen look very good.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Tank Johnson had really turned around the issues he had in Chicago... I'm surprised he is still unsigned... Wouldn't mind giving him a shot if he wouldn't cost too much.

Posted by: tony325

We're good at DT. Didn't realize he was on the market. But I agree that if he's turned things around, he'll find a home ... and get paid pretty well

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what knowledge Wes Bunting has on such matters, but over at nationalfootballpost.com he has Michael Oher coming to the Skins at #13 and Andre Smith getting scooped up by the Packers at #9.

As long as we get one of the top 4 OTs, I'll be happy. Who can really say which one (if any or all) will blossom in the NFL?

What would be really interesting if they're both available... I wonder who we'd end up with?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 19, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

If you want your team (or the company you work for, the school you attend, etc...) to get better, you have to be able to criticize it freely when it plainly breaks down instead of cheerleading mediocrity (heckuva job brownie!). The Redskins have clearly broken down, and LaCanfora does a good job every year explaining how it happens. Being a true fan means being able to accept the fact that this team hasn't done anything memorable in almost two decades, and acknowledging the fact that it's directly the fault of Snyder and Cerrato. They brought in bad coaches, they brought in overrated players and they refuse to build through the draft. The one time they tried to build through the draft (last year) they chose horrible redundant players while neglecting real needs (the lines). I just don't understand why so many people despise Jason for pointing out the Redskins FO's overt incompetence.

Loyalty to a team is great, but when you mindlessly believe in the spin Snyder spews out year after year while he consistently fails to deliver any results, you implicitly encourage his mismanagement (see, e.g., AIG, Wall Street, et. al) Nothing will change until ticket sales drop. Has anyone ever thought that maybe Snyder cares more about making money than winning? It would explain all the superstar signings. It's not like Snyder is stupid, or hasn't heard a million times that building the O and D lines through the draft is the way you win championships. What other motivation might he have? He knows the DC fanbase will blindly follow the team no matter what decisions he makes, so what incentive does he have to win games? I think when you have this many years of failure you have to start questioning the motivations of the owner. In the end, isn't it easier to make money by selling merchandise, parking spots, tickets (to the opposing team's fanbase even) and hand towels than it is to win a championship? Path of least resistance and all...

As for LaCanfora, he would be doing you a great disservice if he didn't point out the terrible decisions that get made here year after year. Moreover, you guys are blind when you say he reflexively criticizes every move the team makes. He's consistently supported Jason Campbell, London Fletcher, Cartwright, Sellers, Cooley, Sean Taylor, Landry, Golston, Evans, and tons of others too. Get your head out of the ground and pay attention.

Posted by: YourPsychologist | March 19, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

DANIELS, so we can trade down on draft day and pick up two extra picks to get less expensive O-linemen (RT) and OLB's (2) plus a bargain basement low round DE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Vinny spent so much at Nieman Marcus, he's only got room on his credit card for Filene's Basement

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

... Jesus H. Christ. ...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 19, 2009 4:27 PM

Every time I see this user ID, even though it is an egregious misinterpretion, I think of two things. One, for the Red part I think of scary rednecks, the kind that dress up in white sheets and carry torches, the kind that shotgun-blasted Jack Nicholson's character in "Easy Rider". Two, for the DMV part, I think of the Department of Motor Vehicles, the place where Marge Simpson's loser sisters work, where everyone seems to hate the human race and they treat you like crap for no good reason.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh, up here some of us like to spell that "aggregious."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 19, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

dang, the blog has its own spellchcker

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, up here some of us like to spell that "spellchecker."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Guess Belichick doesn't know what he's doing, huh? At least not in comparison to Skins fans"

C'mon, Samson. They've got Moss and Welker, not to mention Kelley Washington and now Greg Lewis. They're signing him to be like a 5th WR. We're counting on Daniels and Washington maybe as starters, w/little depth after them (at least until the draft). I guess you could say we have some depth at DE, maybe if we slide Haynesworth over sometimes. Galloway is not being counted on to deliver anything more than gravy.

Posted by: mrsaun | March 19, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what knowledge Wes Bunting has on such matters, but over at nationalfootballpost.com he has Michael Oher coming to the Skins at #13 and Andre Smith getting scooped up by the Packers at #9."

Andre Smith seems to be the better choice for the Skins. Same school as Samuels and has tried to emulate him. But the big thing is his arm length, footwork plus strength. With some work with the Redskins weight room staff he could be a stand out tackle at both positions and a guard.

If he's available they take him. If not they might trade down ... they can still get a quality tackle, quality tackle/guard, quality center guard ... hopefully three instead of one because they may need that more given Bugel's lack of confidence in Rhinehart.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, go AU.

Posted by: mrsaun | March 19, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"not to mention Kelley Washington and now Greg Lewis."

Did you really just mention these two as a class above Joey Galloway? Kelly Washington, who had an astonishing 1 reception for 3 yards all of last year, and Greg Lewis, who was the impressive 10th leading receiver on the Eagles roster last season? I hope you weren't being serious there.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse


There's a lot about those preferences that seem odd to me 4th. (The least of which being you advocating a ticket with two vice presidents from opposing parties.) Living a little further south than you I see a side of the republican party that comes across as overtly hostile towards people of color. So I find it strange when someone of color claims to support republican candidates. Honestly though, after the last 8 years I find it strange that anyone still supports republican candidates.

Posted by: mack1 ***

Look at this NY Times article. I find both parties equally guilty and corrupt.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 19, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"DANIELS, so we can trade down on draft day and pick up two extra picks to get less expensive O-linemen (RT) and OLB's (2) plus a bargain basement low round DE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009"

Its an interesting year. I think they are waiting for the draft to see what they can do with those picks.

Psps23 was right about the salary cap. But the rules change in its last year. Careful study shows that the perhaps there was some method to Snidely's madness. (Need to do more careful study or get that former cap-ologist to do so with his new blog).

By releasing players before 2009 their entire bonus amount would not immediately appear as salary against the 2009 cap. But that also means that whoever remains CANNOT BE released without their entire bonus being counted as salary. Almost all of the players that remain would constitute a heavy hit against the cap even without the special sunset rules.

By including guys like Jansen it is clear that it is as much about the sunset cap year as it is about age, and diminishing returns.

So, I have to wonder what strategy they will employ going into the draft?

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"DANIELS, so we can trade down on draft day and pick up two extra picks to get less expensive O-linemen (RT) and OLB's (2) plus a bargain basement low round DE.
Posted by: glawrence007"

Glaw, this is one of the most intelligent things Ive read over the past few weeks. First, you're right-- We need Daniels to rotate in and out with Wynn. Secondly, we will need to trade down because of our cap restrictions and to fill some of our needs cheaply. Plus even if we draft a player at 13, I am 99.99% sure we won't start him any way (with the exception of a miracle Orapko or the tackle from Alabama falling to us). Bottom line: the Skins rarely start rookies unless they are "elite" talent. With that said, this draft is deep enough in OL and LB to trade back acquire a couple picks and come out smelling like a rose.

We will be trading back in this draft. Atleast one team will take a shot at the QB Sanchez, or another player that we will have access to with our 13th pick.

Posted by: mriles17 | March 19, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Up here we call this being assiduous:

e⋅gre⋅gious
   /ɪˈgridʒəs, -dʒiəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-gree-juhs, -jee-uhs] Show IPA
–adjective
1. extraordinary in some bad way; glaring; flagrant: an egregious mistake; an egregious liar.
2. Archaic. distinguished or eminent.

No results found for aggregious:
Did you mean egregious (in dictionary) or Agaricus (in reference)?

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

COMPETITION COMMITTEE PROPOSES CHANGE TO DRAFT ORDER
Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2009, 11:30 a.m. EDT
Various news reports have listed some of the rules changes that the Competition Committee will be proposing to the owners for consideration at upcoming league meetings in California.

One of the proposed changes in particular has gotten our attention.

The Competition Committee has suggested re-ordering every round of the draft to allow Dan Snyder and the Redskins to select first. There has been some heated debate about this proposal, but a consensus seems to be emerging that this is a good rule change to make. As everyone knows, Dan and the Redskins suffer from a severe handicap when comes to making draft selections. Thus, like Special Ed classes, this rule change would address their disability and give them a better chance to lead normal, productive lives in the NFL. There has been some vociferous opposition to this proposed change from the Dallas Cowboys owner, but other than that the rule change appears to be heading for approval at the league meeting.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 19, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

mriles17:

Didn't you mean to say, "its the first intelligent post you've put up here?" Just kiddin' my man. Thanx for the props. I'm with you. It's a wait and see situation and probably fluid until draft day.

BTW, I've seen where MONTGOMERY is down with the new pecking order on the interior D-line. How about GOLSTON. Has he re'd up yet? That MOS is gettin' pretty full with MONTY, HAYNESWORTH, GRIFF and 'LO already in the house.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Look at this NY Times article. I find both parties equally guilty and corrupt.

NY Times article

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 19, 2009 8:21 PM
=========================================
I suggest more research before leaping to any such conclusion, especially based on that article.

Here's G.W. Bush's Comptroller of the Currency.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 19, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

periculum:

Good work your assiduousness. Very thorough.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"BTW, I've seen where MONTGOMERY is down with the new pecking order on the interior D-line. How about GOLSTON. Has he re'd up yet? That MOS is gettin' pretty full with MONTY, HAYNESWORTH, GRIFF and 'LO already in the house.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009"

Given Blache's devices it has to be looked at as
Haynesworth, Montgomery, Golston, Griffin, Alexander, Carter, Jackson, Wilson, Wynn, Buzzbee and Philips if he signs. Guys will be rotated in at both end and tackle ... including Philips since at this point he is stronger against the run.

Perhaps it also means either some guys are going to learn to play linebacker (a serious dearth of depth there) or be released?

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Anton,

I thought you were going in a different direction with the rule change: "The league recognizes that Snyder trades all the picks away for a handful of beans, so what the hell difference does it make where he picks? May as well get the choice picks to a team that needs them."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The difference between our front office and a good front office?

A good front office manipulates the salary cap. In our case, the salary cap manipulates the front office.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"We may not WANT a bunch of aging vets, but that's about all we can afford.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009"

There's always the draft, with the 4 million rookie pool and signing bonuses. Just maybe if they draft for need instead of best athlete they just may end up with some desperately needed help.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ............

Okay, let's try another scenario? We give up picks in 2010 ... maybe most if not all to acquire picks and perhaps (HOPEFULLY) carefully selected players from cooperative trading partners.

2010, the witching hour. Another lock-out/strike. Another "SCAB" year? 2010 wasted. But 2011? All the picks would still be there ... or would they?

2012, the New Age End of the World. "Chick Crack" triumphs as the Indigos and Crystals lead the Redskins to a superbowl.


Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

thunder

The best way to discuss politics in this blog is to very assertively claim that whomever is in charge is an idiot unless, of course, he is the idiot you voted for.

And if the idiot you voted for is in charge, blame the idiots who voted for him for putting an idiot in the White House.

This is a safe system of blame shifting. Be careful with it, though, as using it in a marital context might require the need of someone dumber than an idiot: a lawyer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

While Jerruh Jones opposed the rule change vociferously, Bill Parcells was adamantly in favor of giving Dan Snyder as many draft picks as possible.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 19, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

mrsaun: "C'mon, Samson. They've got Moss and Welker, not to mention Kelley Washington and now Greg Lewis. They're signing him to be like a 5th WR."

Guess we'll see, won't we? Maybe Belichick thinks otherwise. Washington and Lewis would make pretty good 5th receivers, if there is a such a position anymore.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"This is a safe system of blame shifting. Be careful with it, though, as using it in a marital context might require the need of someone dumber than an idiot: a lawyer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009"

Priest Holmes has 2 words: Chick Crack.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Dos fitty two gangsta mini-yahos traded for me yet?

Posted by: priestholmes | March 19, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Yayo needed for off-the-hinges kicks ... jest like my bro Daniels.

Posted by: priestholmes | March 19, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Want to be bezzled out, gotta love the Big Face choosin fee.

Posted by: priestholmes | March 19, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm usually playing off flashes of color ...
green is what it is ...

as far as the jibba about OL when they be good you see it all, you see their uniform number, you see the details in their hairstyle ... that's when you really feel in tune with what your offensive line is doing and then you see those holes opening ...

Catch my bop Clinton?

Posted by: priestholmes | March 19, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

peri

'....Indigos....'

Is this the new, politically correct name in the place of the offensive 'redskins'?

Moe prefers: "The Washington Newly Rich Non-Taxpaying Casino Owners"

'Cuz to me, that's what's offensive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse


"Moe prefers: "The Washington Newly Rich Non-Taxpaying Casino Owners"

'Cuz to me, that's what's offensive."

Moe, Moe "shaking head ruefully" ...
Remember that little Fifth Dimension ditty
"Its the dawning of the Age of Aquarius"?
Jest happened this year... and 2012 is its
piesta resistance.

Assiduously going to the WIKI for another New Age definition:

The term "indigo" originates from the 1982 book Understanding Your Life Through Color, by Nancy Ann Tappe, a self-styled synesthete and psychic, who claimed to possess the ability to perceive human auras. She wrote that during the mid 1960s she began noticing that many children were being born with indigo auras. Tappe has estimated that 60% of people age 14 to 25 and 97% of children under ten are "indigo."[1][3]

The idea of indigo children was later popularized by the 1998 book The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived, written by the husband-and-wife team of Lee Carroll and Jan Tober.[4] According to Carroll he learned about the concept of indigo children while channeling a being known as Kryon, Master angelic energy. Tober has said that she and Carroll do not talk much about Kryon in interviews because they see this as being a potential barrier to reaching more mainstream audiences that exist outside of the New Age movement.[5]

According to New Age beliefs, indigo children are hypersensitives who are highly empathic and intuitive by nature. They can easily detect, or are in tune with, the thoughts and feelings of others. They are also highly introspective and thus are very self-aware and have a clear sense of self-definition. They are often filled with a strong sense of purpose and the feeling that they need to make a significant difference in the world.

They are strong-willed, independent thinkers who prefer to be self-guided rather than directed by others. They tend to think outside the box and are often referred to as "system busters." They are naturally drawn to matters concerning metaphysics, spirituality, the paranormal, the occult, and mysteries and oppose conventional beliefs and unquestioned authority. They are often considered spiritually gifted, due in part to their depth of wisdom or level of awareness, which is said to be "beyond their years," and the extraordinary talents or abilities that they allegedly possess, such as "third eye perception."


*** There's a test ... I suspect that more than 3/4 of RI may be Indigos ... ~I crack myself up~


Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Priest Holmes wonders if ol' Moe has watched "the Secret"?

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If our young players step up, we'll be damn good.

Rob Jackson
Chad Rinehart
Devin Thomas
Malcom Kelly
"Alderman" Fred Davis

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

While Jerruh Jones opposed the rule change vociferously, Bill Parcells was adamantly in favor of giving Dan Snyder as many draft picks as possible.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 19, 2009 9:05 PM |

LMAO. Bill knows that Dan is always willing to take his garbage and give him as many draft picks as needs. No matter how hard you try to help the disadvantaged there is always some big bully who comes along and takes their lunch money.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 19, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"If our young players step up, we'll be damn good.

Rob Jackson
Chad Rinehart
Devin Thomas
Malcom Kelly
"Alderman" Fred Davis

Posted by: rickyroge | March 19, 2009"

I suspect they may need a lot more to create chemistry, synergy, enthusiasm but most of all competition with each other as opposed to "grizzled" veterans.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse


PriestHolmes?

Question: Mr. Holmes?

I assume you are a priest as well?

How is your brother, the late 70s porn star John doing?

I hear death has been hard on him.

I've heard he's had trouble getting up to do his job.

I also understand he's buried in something deeper than a throat.

Tell me, holmes, does it bother you that the ghetto young people use your name as a term of endearment?

Or is that some other word they use, you know, the one that rhymes with wigga.

God bless the young, as they'll fund my retirement hours spent watching Wheel of Fortune and sneaking free bread from Chili's.

Mr. Holmes, we skins' fans hope our prayers are answered this year.

We don't ask for much: just the playoffs, a division title, and an exciting team that scores as much in the same way your brother, John Holmes, did regularly.

We know, holmes, this isn't too much to ask for, after all, so far you've given us Prince Albert and Sir Spit-A-Lot, DeAngelo Hall.

After those blessings, what else could a fan want?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith quoting former local Root Boy Slim:

Fat is where its at. Put a quarter in the juke and boogey til you puke.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

peri

The 'indigo' definition was an interesting read between stares at the tail end of a Yankees Spring Training game.

Hopefully, if the wide is around, I'll get some enlightening just prior to going to sleep........

......even if it lasts three minutes...:))))

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"Washington and Lewis would make pretty good 5th receivers, if there is a such a position anymore. "

In a 5 WR set.... My point is, they signed Galloway to replace Jabar Gaffney (38 catches, 468 yds, 2 tds last year) and to compete w/Greg Lewis (19 catches, 247 yds, 1 td last year). They're not exactly counting on him for much. We got 3.5 sacks from RDE last year, and now we want to get more from Phil Daniels, who's coming off a season ending injury at age 36. The distinction between the two moves should be obvious.

Posted by: mrsaun | March 19, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Your message has been received MistaMoe and Priest Holmes is now channeling Kryon the great ...

do not attempt to adjust your television set.
he has control of the horizontal, the vertical and
the jibba jabba ...

Greetings, dear ones, I am Kryon of Magnetic Service. My partner linearizes this message as he has been doing for so long. Even when I say to him and to you that on the other side of the veil there truly is no time, he still must linearize our message. For us, it is all happening at the same time. For you, it's on a linear track. However, our perspective gives us the ability to alert you to the potentials of what we see in what you have called your future.

Reflecting back, we see ourselves at this moment, telling you about the potentials that the Redskins have in the now, but our "now" is not Dan Snyder's of the past 10 or so years ago. Back then, we brought him the information and the profundity of what he might accomplish in 1997. We told him in our messages back in 1999 that he had changed the Redskin's future. "The power balance of the NFL is going to shift," we said back then. Indeed, it has.

I can remember sitting there and saying that, for it is still before me. To him, it's a painful record of winning that almost happened, but never did. To me, it's still happening. But to you, it was before a time when my partner was able to open his mouth and linearize anything that I would say [before Priest started channelling out loud]. Instead, he was jibba jabbering at his offensive line. We're there right now with him. It is timeless for us and all that has transpired in what you have called a 10-year span is now for us. He wrote it down as I gave it and it became the first Kryon book of NFL secrets, the Washington Redskins – the one where we gave you him those potentials that are today his and your reality. Now, I tell you this so that you can understand that back then, what we saw as the potentials of his decisions is, indeed, before you. We give you this at this time so you may acknowledge that we are seeing the potentials just as clear, 10 years from now.

It depends on what you do with potentials for them to become reality. There is a collective energy that is created by Lightworkers that is so profound on this planet that the very core of the planet itself vibrates differently because the Redskins must win the superbowl befoe 2012 to rescue the Universe. The Crystalline Grid is vibrating differently because they haven't made it there yet. All of this esoteric talk is fine, but you've got to feel it! Do you see the reality before you?

That is all for today MistaMoe.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"My point is, they signed Galloway to replace Jabar Gaffney (38 catches, 468 yds, 2 tds last year) and to compete w/Greg Lewis (19 catches, 247 yds, 1 td last year). They're not exactly counting on him for much. We got 3.5 sacks from RDE last year, and now we want to get more from Phil Daniels, who's coming off a season ending injury at age 36. The distinction between the two moves should be obvious.

Posted by: mrsaun"

It seems to me to be almost equivalent expectations.

A 3rd WR in the Patriots spread offense is part of their base set. Galloway is brought in to replace modest production (40 receptions, 450 yards) by competing along with another WR.

The RDE in this system is purely a role-player (run stuffer) with modest production (3-4 sacks). Daniels is being brought in to replace that production by rotating/competing with Wynn.

I don't see where this distinction is obvious.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"The 'indigo' definition was an interesting read between stares at the tail end of a Yankees Spring Training game.

Hopefully, if the wide is around, I'll get some enlightening just prior to going to sleep........

......even if it lasts three minutes...:))))

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 19, 2009"

Nats come from behind in the ninth to win against the verdamnt O-Reeeoles ... 5-4. The new Washington Monument looked great in the Worlds. Hopefully, they at least will improve ...

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It's bad enough the GOP screwed up as bad as they did, what really frosts is they are shamelessly attempting to sabotage those trying to correct their mess, and if that means bring the country down doing it, that's fine with them.

That's what frosts you? Vinnie is looking at positions other than OT and that's what frosts you?
Cork, man, your sense of priorities is way off.

Posted by: daggar | March 19, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

More for Moe ... Obama is also an Indigo ...

More from Kryon:


My partner sat on the stage in Israel in 2001 and he told the audience that 2008 would be the time of shift and change because that was the potential. "Kryon, are you telling us that the potential was Obama in 2008?"No. The potential is that you would create great shift in 2008, and you did. Later in a meeting in Colorado [Look for it, it is recorded and there for you to see.], I channelled information that in 2008 you would collectively turn to Indigo leadership. Well, you just did! Let me tell you something about this Human that you have chosen. Number one - he's an old soul. Now you knew that, didn't you? But I'm telling you that he is an old, old soul. He's Lemurian. Don't you find it interesting that he was born in Hawaii? These are the original energies of Lemuria, 50,000 years ago.

In this lifetime, he chose to be born there again. That's the first hint. Identified, he was, two years ago by the woman who originally saw the Indigo color. The basis behind the Indigo description is from the one you call Tappe [Nancy Tappe]. She identified Barack Obama as an Indigo more than two years ago [long before he decided to run for president]. He is an older Indigo, yes, but he has the Indigo attributes.

Now, let me describe these attributes to you, and this is the fun part: In those times in what you would call the run-up to the election, you would go back and forth in analysis to decide which Human Being you were going to choose. Indeed, there was criticism of Obama, and the criticism went like this, "He is too young and inexperienced; he cannot fulfill this job. This job requires a more aged, experienced, seasoned Human Being." There simply could be no response to this argument. But if you looked at the man, he radiated the energy that he's "been there and done that"! That's an Indigo! Out of the realm of 3D, his Akash has indeed "been there before" and if you knew what was in his Akash, you'd gasp at what he's been through.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

assiguousness:

Surely as assiguous as you are, you didn't miss my emphasis on INTERIOR d-line. Or were you just saying that all parts of BLATCHE's line troops are interchangable parts and can play any position?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot about those preferences that seem odd to me 4th.

.....................

Posted by: mack1 | March 19, 2009 7:05 PM

I don't like to be labeled Dem/Rep. There both corrupt and people follow both sides blindly.

That's why I would never survive in politics. I'm too sensible. Like believing in Heyer/Jansen....

(Go Michigan. Final Four.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"That's what frosts you? Vinnie is looking at positions other than OT and that's what frosts you?
Cork, man, your sense of priorities is way off.

Posted by: daggar | March 19, 2009"

yah ... especially since the Redskins must win the superbowl before 2012 to save the Universe.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Now about this 'INDIGO' aura, is that anything like being an 'old soul'? One that has experienced life throughout the universe on multiple levels over vast amounts of time.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"Or were you just saying that all parts of BLATCHE's line troops are interchangable parts and can play any position?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009"

He seems to think so ... Haynesworth was placed at end more often than not on passing downs. Montgomery has the physicality required to play a 4-3 end. Daniels and Wynn are both run stoppers if there are any injury issues at tackle I would think you might see them there ... Evans played both end and tackle.

I guess it depends on the "package" and the player.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Now about this 'INDIGO' aura, is that anything like being an 'old soul'? One that has experienced life throughout the universe on multiple levels over vast amounts of time.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009"

Priest be tired ... don't you be making him channel Master Kryon any more ... :)

Suffice it say the Redskins must win the superbowl before 2012 to save the Universe ...
Danny is on a mission from God.

~mischievous laugh~

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I feel ZERO pressure on my bracket. Actually, I can't remember most of my picks. I do have Cornell beating Wake Forest to reach the finals.

No pressure

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That post (although probably sarcastic) made my day. Cornell alumni (like myself) and current students could only hope!

Posted by: moosepod


Cornell's had dominant teams ... Eamon McEanany (RIP) in lacrosse, Ken Dryden in hockey. Ummmm... that's about it.

Now if we were doing Frozen Four brackets ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Of course, we had a good women's volleyball and gymnastic team (I had friends on both). A good wrestling team, decent crew, etc. But of the 4 major sports, we have been good only in hockey.

That aside... Go Big Red! Ruin my bracket as well!

Posted by: moosepod | March 19, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

mrsaun: "We got 3.5 sacks from RDE last year, and now we want to get more from Phil Daniels, who's coming off a season ending injury at age 36. The distinction between the two moves should be obvious."

You're assuming that Daniels' principal value is in sacks. But it isn't. The Skins could lose all 3.5 of those 08 sacks and not miss them if they got increased production from the other side, or from blitzes, or heck, from anywhere.

Sacks are never the main goal of a RDE in this scheme.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Stalworth's career isn't over, I hear Dallas needs a receiver...

Posted by: moosepod | March 19, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

LDE.
LDE is Daniels' position.
LDE was whence Evans' 3.5 sacks came.

Posted by: daggar | March 19, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry my post above about Daniels is in regards to LDE, not RDE.

Posted by: psps23 | March 19, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

yah ... especially since the Redskins must win the superbowl before 2012 to save the Universe.

Oh.
Well someone should tell obama, that would definitely change how much time I'd "spend with my family"...

Posted by: daggar | March 19, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

In the paraphrased words of Dirty Harry

"Go Big Red. Make my bracket"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Say no more. Your secret is safe with me.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you. From DANIELS/WYNN's position.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 19, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Guess my point would be that in our fascination with the young and untested talent, we might be missing out on some valuable players.

Sure, older vets get hurt more often. BUt they're also better prepared to play with injuries. They're slower and less energetic than younger counterparts, but they're also --- well, I probably shouldn't say 'smarter'.

So I'll just think it.

The thing about drafting and signing youth is that you run the risk of not being able to hold on to them once they develop. Derrick Dockery being a case in point. You spend two seasons grooming a player only to lose him to somebody with more room under the cap.

Seems to me that's an incentive for GMs to think 'win-now.' And older players with demonstrable skills, as well as something to prove, can fit in to that sort of short-term strategy.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that's an incentive for GMs to think 'win-now.' And older players with demonstrable skills, as well as something to prove, can fit in to that sort of short-term strategy.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 10:41 PM
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True enough. But the teams that do this successfully have a long term strategy, and signing the veterans to help solve the puzzle is secondary.

The Redskins continue to have a plethora of short term strategy...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins continue to have a plethora of short term strategy...
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

what insight ... what vocabulary !!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 19, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Oops, forgot the link.

a plethora.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 19, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

plethora: "But the teams that do this successfully have a long term strategy, and signing the veterans to help solve the puzzle is secondary."

Certainly that sounds like it should be true. But is it? Do the really successful teams -- the Pats, the Steelers, etc? == have a long term strategy to which they faithfully adhere? And is it really the reason for their success?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 3:39 AM | Report abuse

In fact, I wonder if short-term thinkng isn't the rule rather than the exception nowadays -- in response to the cap, to free agency, and even to the almost continuous pressure to win placed on teams by the media and yes, those crazy fans...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 3:42 AM | Report abuse

The thing about drafting and signing youth is that you run the risk of not being able to hold on to them once they develop. Derrick Dockery being a case in point. You spend two seasons grooming a player only to lose him to somebody with more room under the cap.

Seems to me that's an incentive for GMs to think 'win-now.' And older players with demonstrable skills, as well as something to prove, can fit in to that sort of short-term strategy.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 19, 2009 10:41 PM

I was hoping you'd follow this statement up with "April Fools!"...

You build through the draft. EVERYONE is an unproven talent when they come into the league. It's the organization's responsibility to acquire and cultivate that talent. Signing big name guys to big money deals is a short cut that doesn't work for teams like Washington and Denver because you can't just throw a bunch of vets together and expect they'll win. Football is the ultimate team sport and chemistry is more important in this game than in any other.

The Steelers and Colts won Super Bowls by drafting well and using their cap space to resign their own guys and dedicating very little to outside FAs. If you don't overspend for other people's younger talent, you'd be surprised how much is available for your own prime talent.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the blog police in charge didn't allow my post last night?

No profanity, no racial slurs, no personal attacks, nothing except opinion. Guess that isn't allowed here anymore?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 20, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the blog police in charge didn't allow my post last night?

No profanity, no racial slurs, no personal attacks, nothing except opinion. Guess that isn't allowed here anymore?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | March 20, 2009 6:54 AM |

lss,

It might have been to long, that is the only other reason besides profanity that they block things.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26: "You build through the draft. EVERYONE is an unproven talent when they come into the league. It's the organization's responsibility to acquire and cultivate that talent."

All perfectly true. Not that it's worked well for many teams.

Step outside the box with me for a moment and ask: would it be possible in today's NFL to build Super Bowl team around seasoned vets? Like George ALlen did.

See, I wonder if blogs like this don't have such a strong preference for younger talent that we ignore some very real short-term fixes that might put our team over the top...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS. DANNY - What's next?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 20, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

See, I wonder if blogs like this don't have such a strong preference for younger talent that we ignore some very real short-term fixes that might put our team over the top...
Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 8:06 AM

Agreed Samson….someone up here was saying no way to Derrick Brooks….I would love to see that guy in a Skins uni for a year or 2. He can still play and would bring savvy and leadership, as well as a little bit of a nasty streak. Even if we take an LB in the early rounds, it’s not an automatic that he will start, or be really good immediately (obviously). If you can bring in cheap, quality vets, why not. We only have 4 picks this year; does anyone actually expect all 4 to be contributing this year? I seriously hope that the WR’s and TE step up, but I am frankly not expecting to see guys like Buzbee, Jackson, and Wilson on the roster for many more seasons. Upgrade where and when you can, cuz this year's draft aint gonna help much.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

NFL Network said that Stafford blew up at his pro-day, which is good news for the Redskins picking at #13.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"See, I wonder if blogs like this don't have such a strong preference for younger talent that we ignore some very real short-term fixes that might put our team over the top..."

When you're a last place team in your division under a 2nd year coach and new offensive system, with aging players that were accused of losing 1 on 1 battles I don't think there is any reason to think there are any "quick fixes". This team has been mediocre for years while trying to get "quick fixes" through FA. And you question why people ignore your so-called "quick fixes"?

The team needs an identity built through stability. Exhibit A : Steelers.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins could negotiate the salary cap obstacle course, cutting Collins and signing Leftwich to a long term deal wouldn't be a bad move. This gives the team insurance for next year in case the team decides to let Campbell walk. I'm not sold on Collins in Zorn's offense, anyway. He looked pretty shakey last pre-season, plus the guy is definitely getting up there in years.

Unfortunately for the Redskins, there is not a lot of talent left out there at their positions of need: tackle, end and linebacker. I would like to reiterate my ideas of moving Montgomery to end and appointing HB Blades the strong side backer. This gives the Skins the freedom of trading down in the draft and stocking the shelves with players that are more "developmental" by definition.

Going into free agency, the Redskins could have handled things much differently. They had the money to get a few offensive linemen, defensive linemen and still sign Hall. Instead, they went with the glamour pick for major money and by the time they signed Dockery their war chest was so depleted that all they can really do now is sign old guys with not much left in the tank and lower round draft picks that need some work. They way they handled free agency was irresponsible, but hey, this is where they are today. Trading down in the draft, making do with players on the roster and hoping for a few "miracle picks" is probably their best strategy moving forward.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 20, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

First of all, I don't much care what a bunch of keyboard pounders like us think...it's what works on the field. We've all waxed poet about how great the pass rush would be with JT last season and it never happened. We thought the team was on the way to the Super Bowl in '06 and were loud wrong. Meanwhile the patient teams are quietly polishing their trophies in March while the Skins are throwing countless millions at another false savior.

This team has tried multiple times to build the way you're saying and in today's NFL it just doesn't work. The last few champions had veteran rosters, but those vets had been in that system for several years. Because of their annual cap problems, the Skins will never be able to keep a team around that long...and even if they could the constant change of philosophy and head coaches would keep that from happening.

Hate to be Debbie Downer, but I'm just callin' it like I see it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

But it’s not completely black and white Yoder. You need to use both the draft and free agency/trades to build up a strong roster. Yes, the Steelers have drafted well, but they also have several well placed pieces here and there that were pickups. Would the Cards have been in the Super bowl last year if they hadn’t picked up ol’ washed up Kurt Warner? They already had Leinert in place……I’m not saying to go grab the splashy free agents for the sake of star power, but don’t forsake free agency just because you are “supposed to build through the draft”….

The Haynesworth signing to me seems like the skins may be over-valueing the guy and it could be a bad signing on the long run, but they did not sacrifice any immediate picks for him. We’ll see what happens if it’s time to re-sign Campbell and Rogers and they can’t because of it. In this light, yes, the high priced free agent move could be bad, but what I am saying is use free agency wisely to get value on the cheap. That’s what the good teams do, like when Rodney Harrison went to the Pats. Some pickups, like a Derrick Brooks or John Carney could be cheap, and well worth the money, and yes, could be a quick, albeit short term, fix.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

samson

'...Guess my point would be that in our fascination with the young and untested talent, we might be missing out on some valuable players...'

I agree, but the thing is, the way the team plays so close to the limits of the cap causes it to rely on vets who might be past their prime, while not getting younger, untested players on the field up until their own deals are about up.

I like vets, too, but I got a feelin' we'll see some of the younger, untested guys--like Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson, Stephon Heyer--playing as the team doesn't have the picks it needs to re-fortify itself the proper way.


I think we'll have to get used to this idea

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 20, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"But it’s not completely black and white Yoder. You need to use both the draft and free agency/trades to build up a strong roster. Yes, the Steelers have drafted well, but they also have several well placed pieces here and there that were pickups."

I completely agree and I'm aware you have to use FA to your advantage. I just believe that in the Skin's current condition, picking up aging players as stop-gaps is an act of desperation instead of putting the team over the top. It just results in a vicious cycle that they've been in for a number of years now.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Betcha a ham sandwich that Haynsworth gets a restructured deal next season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 20, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

is that a plain ham sammy?

mayo?

pickles?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

is that a plain ham sammy?

mayo?

pickles?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Samson….someone up here was saying no way to Derrick Brooks….I would love to see that guy in a Skins uni for a year or 2.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 8:16 AM

I'll lead that charge to keep Brooks out of burgundy and gold...I've said it before and I'll say it again: BROOKS IS A COVER 2 LB AND DOESN'T FIT WHAT THE SKINS RUN!! Plus he's a WLB, not SLB...which is the hole the Skins need to fill. Legendary player, great leader, poor fit in Washington. I know this is a foreign concept here, but the best course of action is to--GASP--draft a guy to play there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

But while there has been a report that the Patriots are primed to make a deal for the Carolina Panthers defensive end, they have yet to drop a dime to his agent, who at this stage would need to broker such a transaction.

Carl Carey, who represents Peppers, indicated last night he had not yet been contacted by Patriots coach Bill Belichick, or any other member of the organization. He claimed several other teams have asked him to gauge Peppers’ interest.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"The team needs an identity built through stability. Exhibit A : Steelers."

Exhibit B and C of that stability also features our favorite Cincinnati Bengals and Detroit Lions.

Of course, we could go the "quick fix" route of, say, the New England Patriots, who's 2001 winning team featured 10 out of 22 starters that were not drafted by the team. Since that time, they've also added vets like Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau, Ted Washington, Randy Moss, Sammy Morris, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Dante Stallworth, Kyle Brady, Adalius Thomas, and Roosevelt Colvin.

There is no set model for building a franchise. You know what the true model is? Acquiring talent. I don't care if you have 11 draft selections per season and are the most stable team in the league with regards to personnel, if you can't draft well and land some elite talents, you're not going to win. Same is true with free agency. If you can identify talent that will work in your system, you're golden. The Patriots turned an above average offense into the greatest offense of all-time in one offseason by acquiring skill players that meshed perfectly into their system.

TB Bucs SB team: 10 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Bucs

Baltimore Ravens SB team: 9 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Ravens.

Now let's look at the Redskins starters:

Jason Campbell - drafted
Mike Sellers - undrafted FA signed by Redskins
Chris Cooley - drafted
Chris Samuels - drafted
Derrick Dockery - drafted
Jansen/Heyer/prospective 2009 draft pick - drafted or undrafted FA signed by Redskins
Rocky McIntosh - drafted
HB Blades/prospective OLB draft selection - drafted
Carlos Rogers - drafted
Laron Landry - drafted
Chris Horton - drafted

That would leave 11 positions open for FAs to come in and hold starting positions. That number could drop if Kelly or Thomas take the starting spot from Randle El, and/or if a DE is taken first to start at LDE.

Not everything is as black-and-white as people here try to make it. Utilizing FA is not a fault of this FO. The ratio of hits to misses is.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Well said psps23!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I’m not saying to go grab the splashy free agents for the sake of star power, but don’t forsake free agency just because you are “supposed to build through the draft”….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 8:46 AM

Nobody's saying forsake free agency. The Steelers don't...they just make sure their FAs are low cost role players, not guys to build the team around. Ryan Clark, James Farrior, Mewelde Moore...all signings that did nothing more than make the transactions list on the back of the sports page outside of Pittsburgh. But all those guys ended up playing key roles in their Super Bowl season.

I think the saying is, "you should accessorize your roster with free agency, not customize it".

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"I know this is a foreign concept here, but the best course of action is to--GASP--draft a guy to play there."

The Skins put themselves into a tight spot though. That 2nd rounder they gave up for Taylor could have been used to pick up a guy like Clint Sintim from UVA. Problem solved. Oh wait, they only have 4 picks and 2 starting roles to fill. Good luck finding a starter in the 3rd round with Vinny picking (wasn't Rhinehart a 3rd rounder?). There's no guarantee they'll be able to trade back either. So they will end up signing some over-the-hill guy (maybe even Washington) to hold down the fort. And the beat goes on...let's just hope they don't trade away any of next year's picks.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately for the Redskins, there is not a lot of talent left out there at their positions of need: tackle, end and linebacker. I would like to reiterate my ideas of moving Montgomery to end and appointing HB Blades the strong side backer. This gives the Skins the freedom of trading down in the draft and stocking the shelves with players that are more "developmental" by definition."

While they're at it, might as well move Jansen to DT and Devin Thomas to CB. Montgomery is too big and slow to play DE and Blades is way too small to play strong side LB. Come on buddy..

Posted by: ga8085 | March 20, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Everything psp just said is my argument as well, I just can't put it as eloquently as he did.

All teams use FA's and the draft, it just some are better at getting the proper players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Exhibit B and C of that stability also features our favorite Cincinnati Bengals and Detroit Lions.

Of course, we could go the "quick fix" route of, say, the New England Patriots, who's 2001 winning team featured 10 out of 22 starters that were not drafted by the team. Since that time, they've also added vets like Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau, Ted Washington, Randy Moss, Sammy Morris, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, Dante Stallworth, Kyle Brady, Adalius Thomas, and Roosevelt Colvin.

There is no set model for building a franchise. You know what the true model is? Acquiring talent. I don't care if you have 11 draft selections per season and are the most stable team in the league with regards to personnel, if you can't draft well and land some elite talents, you're not going to win. Same is true with free agency. If you can identify talent that will work in your system, you're golden. The Patriots turned an above average offense into the greatest offense of all-time in one offseason by acquiring skill players that meshed perfectly into their system.

TB Bucs SB team: 10 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Bucs

Baltimore Ravens SB team: 9 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Ravens.

Now let's look at the Redskins starters:

Jason Campbell - drafted
Mike Sellers - undrafted FA signed by Redskins
Chris Cooley - drafted
Chris Samuels - drafted
Derrick Dockery - drafted
Jansen/Heyer/prospective 2009 draft pick - drafted or undrafted FA signed by Redskins
Rocky McIntosh - drafted
HB Blades/prospective OLB draft selection - drafted
Carlos Rogers - drafted
Laron Landry - drafted
Chris Horton - drafted

That would leave 11 positions open for FAs to come in and hold starting positions. That number could drop if Kelly or Thomas take the starting spot from Randle El, and/or if a DE is taken first to start at LDE.

Not everything is as black-and-white as people here try to make it. Utilizing FA is not a fault of this FO. The ratio of hits to misses is.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

psps23,

that was awesome...finally somebody who knows the facts and doesn't blame everything on the FAs or The FO all of the time.

All the complaining and the facts are...They have been well balanced as much as the Pats as far as drafted players and FA...Just need to get the right chemistry really.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Not everything is as black-and-white as people here try to make it. Utilizing FA is not a fault of this FO. The ratio of hits to misses is.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM

Football in general isn't black and white...the point being made (at least from me) isn't that "FA is evil, stay away!", but rather "don't build your team through FA, build it through the draft". The Patriots have had some rather notable successes in FA, so it can be done if done in moderation but they certainly didn't BUILD their team through free agency.

The Redskins have traded A LOT of draft picks and have built their team on the backs of players who were drafted elsewhere. Even the guys they DO draft they end up giving up multiple picks to acquire (Campbell, McIntosh, Samuels I think)! Once they value the draft more than taking the FA shortcut, I think the team's fortunes will improve. It's definitely not automatic, but I like those chances a lot better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

So, no one is talking trash because cL almost got a perfect score last night, huh?

All I know is, none of my sweet 16 teams have been knocked out yet. I also noticed I am the only one who picked UConn to win it......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

There are many and varied paths to building good teams in the NFL. The key is football executives with talent. I think we have a severe lack of ability in that regard. You may disagree. We'll see (and have seen) on the field.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Good job VCU almost pulled the upset as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"There is no set model for building a franchise. You know what the true model is? Acquiring talent."

Detroit doesn't draft talented players? They're at the top of the draft most years. My comment about the Steelers involves their entire organization, from the very top to the bottom. The Steelers have an identity, they found what works and stuck to it (even through tough times - I remember Cowher being on the hot seat for a year or 2). Detroit has a different coach and philosophy almost every other year. Cincy keeps the same coach, but drafts convicts. I know its not simple, or every team would do it. There's also the factor of luck (injuries, matchups, etc.) FA can be the greatest of tools (Pats), because they have an identity in place and pick players that fit.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

That VCU heartbreaker hurt me in two brackets. I really believed in that one.

My "never pick BYU" paid off...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Samson….someone up here was saying no way to Derrick Brooks….I would love to see that guy in a Skins uni for a year or 2.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 8:16 AM

I'll lead that charge to keep Brooks out of burgundy and gold...I've said it before and I'll say it again: BROOKS IS A COVER 2 LB AND DOESN'T FIT WHAT THE SKINS RUN!! Plus he's a WLB, not SLB...which is the hole the Skins need to fill. Legendary player, great leader, poor fit in Washington. I know this is a foreign concept here, but the best course of action is to--GASP--draft a guy to play there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:07 AM

Gotta agree with BW on this. I was one of the ones saying no to Brooks when he was released as well......

He played Tampa2 his whole pro carrer...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

TB Bucs SB team: 10 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Bucs

Baltimore Ravens SB team: 9 of 22 starters were not drafted by the team or undrafted FAs signed by the Ravens.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM

Not a fair comparison: who were the leaders on those teams? Tampa--Sapp, Brooks, Barber. Baltimore--Ray Lewis, Rod Woodson, Jonathan Ogden. Only one of the 6 guys I just named weren't drafted by those teams. The preferred route is to draft your starters/leaders and add your role players through FA. The Redskins draft their role players and get other people's stars to build around. Ray Lewis has ALWAYS been in the building in Baltimore. If you're a FA coming in, you better fall in line with what Ray's doing. In Washington, London Fletcher (although it's worked pretty well so far) was asked to come in and lead guys who have been in that locker room far longer than he has. You gotta think that might have something to do with the difference between what the Skins and Broncos have done vs. what the Ravens and Patriots have done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You can't brag on your brackets after day 1. By 4:20 this afternoon I could look like a complete idiot.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Not everything is as black-and-white as people here try to make it. Utilizing FA is not a fault of this FO. The ratio of hits to misses is.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:09 AM

That was one of the best post of this year. Worthy of being printed on page 2 of the WashPost sports section....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I don’t want to seem like I love the guy (D. Brooks) or am hung up on him coming to DC, but I don’t think it’s fair to rule the guy out because of the system he’s played in. If he is too slow, can’t cover, can’t bring it like he used to, then fine. But how do you guys know he can’t play for Blache? Everybody seemed cool bringing Canty in from Dallas, and he played in a 3-4. I agree there is some credibility to the WLB vs SLB argument, but hasn’t he been a three down player up til now? If Blache says the guy wouldn’t fit (a-la Jason Taylor), then I am fine with that, but if it’s just a bunch of us “keyboard pounders” sounding off, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree (I hate saying that)……

But for like the 4th year in a row, I AM hung up on bringing John Carney in…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

cL, shine while you can then. We only have attention spans of a half a day anyway (Except for TE/LH/cL/and Mack1 for remembering I was supporting Huckabee way back when).

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"Not a fair comparison: who were the leaders on those teams? Tampa--Sapp, Brooks, Barber. Baltimore--Ray Lewis, Rod Woodson, Jonathan Ogden."

You forgot Simeon Rice, Brad Johnson, Keyshawn Johnson, and Keenan McCardell from the Bucs and Shannon Sharpe plus the entire starting defensive line from the Ravens (including Michael Mccrary, Tony Siragusa, Sam Adams, and Rob Burnett)

Additionally, is that to say that Chris Samuels, Laron Landry, and Chris Cooley aren't leaders/keys of the Redskins team? Not to mention Jason Campbell, who I've maintained will be the key to this season, regardless of the other draft selections or FA's brought in.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I remember all.......

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

But how do you guys know he can’t play for Blache?

*************

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 9:44 AM

The one thing I give credit to Vinny and Danny, they never make the same mistake twice.

They got JT55 last year who came out of a completely different system he has played in for atleast 10+ years. And they changed his position to the position we needed. He then was unable to adjust and complained.

Brooks would be coming into a new system after 14 years in the same one and would be asked to change his position.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

D. Brooks is a beast, a HoFamer, will have a productive year next year with the right team. That team is not the Skins....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Detroit has a different coach and philosophy almost every other year."

That's not true. Rod Marinelli got 3 full seasons before getting canned for going 0-16. Steve Marriucci got 3 seasons before him, averaging 5.3 wins per season. Only one Lions coach since 1977 got less than 3 seasons to prove himself. And how long was Matt Millen running that franchise for?

Detroit is one of the more stable franchises in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Everybody seemed cool bringing Canty in from Dallas, and he played in a 3-4. I agree there is some credibility to the WLB vs SLB argument, but hasn’t he been a three down player up til now?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 9:44 AM

For the record, I hated the prospect of getting Canty much worse than the prospect of getting Brooks. But then again, there IS no prospect of getting Brooks (that I've heard, at least) so it's a moot point.

I just believe that you're spinning wheels in the same 8-8 rut by continuing to collect FAs. This year I suppose they'll have to get more FAs simply because they only have 4 picks...I get that. This team is nowhere close to a title, so I think it's dumb to rack up stop-gap guys to "make a run" when you should be taking your lumps with younger guys in the name of being better in the future. I'd rather find out if H.B. Blades can play than see Derrick Brooks age before my eyes out of position. That's just me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Sound familiar?"

As long as we're not giving up a 2nd and 6th, plus an $8.5 million salary, count me as in favor of taking that chance, with Brooks or Jason Taylor again.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Detriot's problem is that they should have never got rid of Wayne Fontes.......

When he and Barry left, it was all over for them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Detroit is one of the more stable franchises in the league.

Posted by: psps23"

Although "stable" may not be the correct word. "Patient" may be better.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell at wide receiver!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Football in general isn't black and white...the point being made (at least from me) isn't that "FA is evil, stay away!", but rather "don't build your team through FA, build it through the draft". The Patriots have had some rather notable successes in FA, so it can be done if done in moderation but they certainly didn't BUILD their team through free agency.

The Redskins have traded A LOT of draft picks and have built their team on the backs of players who were drafted elsewhere. Even the guys they DO draft they end up giving up multiple picks to acquire (Campbell, McIntosh, Samuels I think)! Once they value the draft more than taking the FA shortcut, I think the team's fortunes will improve. It's definitely not automatic, but I like those chances a lot better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Did you even read his Post???????

Posted by: leevi98 | March 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Detroit is one of the more stable franchises in the league."

Marinelli really got 3 years? I had no idea.

Obviously there's good stability and bad stability. I was referring to the kind that results in a winning identity. Drafting the wrong players is what hurt Detroit. I don't care how many years a coach gets if his GM is handing him fragile WR's with limited talent from the 1st round every year. We'll see what happens now that Millen is gone...they can only improve (you would think).

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I want to thank the Illinois Illini for BLOWING the game last night and f-ing up the next two games which I had them playing in...

Also for giving me more reasons to hate the Big Ten.

I want to be mad at VCU but I can't. They're local and was an eleventh seed.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You forgot Simeon Rice, Brad Johnson, Keyshawn Johnson, and Keenan McCardell from the Bucs and Shannon Sharpe plus the entire starting defensive line from the Ravens (including Michael Mccrary, Tony Siragusa, Sam Adams, and Rob Burnett)

Additionally, is that to say that Chris Samuels, Laron Landry, and Chris Cooley aren't leaders/keys of the Redskins team? Not to mention Jason Campbell, who I've maintained will be the key to this season, regardless of the other draft selections or FA's brought in.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 9:47 AM

Dude, I said LEADERS, not key players...the only guys on that list that could even be mentioned in that vein with a straight face is Brad Johnson and Shannon Sharpe. Meshawn was kicked off the Bucs the next year, so I can't believe you even brought him up.

On the Skins, I didn't think I need to list EVERY leader on the team. Some of those guys would definitely count as leaders but if you look at the more vocal players that have the "leader" role, you're looking at Portis and Griffin and Sellars over some of the guys you named.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Obviously there's good stability and bad stability. I was referring to the kind that results in a winning identity. Drafting the wrong players is what hurt Detroit. I don't care how many years a coach gets if his GM is handing him fragile WR's with limited talent from the 1st round every year. We'll see what happens now that Millen is gone...they can only improve (you would think).

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:03 AM |

Yoder,

Millen's gone but they kept all his cronies, and promoted one of them to GM.

I think they have another year of 5 or less wins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Can some intelligent, fact-based person begin a "This Many Days to the Draft" post so I have time to get caught up on 32 team needs, Mel Kiper snarky comments, view youtube video of tons of college kids who play de/slb, reasons why Mike Mayock is god, make sure the various tvs in the house are working and are on the NFL Network, re-locate the family, take enough Immodium AD so I don't have a reason to get off the couch as self-changing an adult diaper is gross, cook enough wings and ribs to last through two days of picks, and a loaded handgun/unregulated painkillers/brick to toss at the tv once the Vin Man totally screws up and drafts Malcolm Jenkins with the 13th pick, 'cuz you know that's what's gonna happen.

Unless, of course, this year is somehow different.

Different in that someone else will be there to change the adult diaper.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

psps23 made a GREAT post, Leevi agrees with him...

I also agree, when people start complaining about the FO they bring up a lot of crap that happened 10 years ago and 6 years ago...

Well 5 years ago we got Gibbs and he was able to put together a VERY GOOD ROSTER, and I think Dinny & Vanny Snyd-rato actually learned something.

We brought in a bunch of rookies last year and replaced the CORE players this year, guys want to STAY and guys want to PLAY here.

The quickest path to success is to SUPPORT the CURRENT team and management

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Red,

There is only one Big 10 school to trust this year.

The Michigan Wolverines........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Donte’ Stallworth = Leonard Little

Both got behind the wheel sauced and killed someone...

Actually that should read:

Donte’ Stallworth + Leonard Little = Assclownery

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

Well you would think they'd try to clean house after being the first team ever to go winless. They are the Detroit Lions however...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I just got an email back from the Redskins blog guy Matt, he said that Kelly was there yesterday rehabbing. He hasn't seen Thomas.

This is pissing me off Thomas needs more work then anybody, I know they can't practice yet but he could be going over the playbook with JC and learning what he's supposed to do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The quickest path to success is to SUPPORT the CURRENT team and management

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 20, 2009 10:08 AM

I'm posting this on the Detroit Free Press blog right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

4th, I got Michigan taking an 'L' in the first round to Griffin and his boys.

I feel pretty confident about that one...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Donte’ Stallworth = Leonard Little

Both got behind the wheel sauced and killed someone...

Actually that should read:

Donte’ Stallworth + Leonard Little = Assclownery

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:09 AM |

Red,

There's one difference Little didn't do much if any jail time because the times were different. He has also gone on to have a very good football career.

Stallworth is going to be in jail for a long time, and he's football career is over.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think Devin Thomas may be suspect...

His act is growing tired already.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"The Michigan Wolverines........"

F 'em. I had Clemson in the sweet 16. If I was Trevor Booker I would have transferred long ago...pass him the damn ball.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Some of those guys would definitely count as leaders but if you look at the more vocal players that have the "leader" role, you're looking at Portis and Griffin and Sellars over some of the guys you named.

Posted by: brownwood26"

If you mention Portis in one breath as the leader because he's "vocal", then "Meshawn" fits right in there.

Additionally, if Shannon Sharpe, Tony Siragusa, Brad Johnson, or Keenan Mccardell don't fit into the "leader" category of those teams, I don't know what will.

As far as the Redskins leaders go, I believe J Campbell, Samuels, Cartwright, Fletcher, Griffin, and K Campbell were the voted captains of the team. Three of those guys were drafted players by the Skins. Sellers, a guy you mentioned, was a UFA signed by the Skins. Landry may be young, but like ST before him, I bet he carries the most weight in that secondary, regardless of age.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Millen's gone but they kept all his cronies, and promoted one of them to GM."

I wouldn't laugh so fast at ex Skin CB Martin Mayhew as Lions GM. One of his first moves was absolutely fleecing Dallas for Roy Williams for a host of picks. And I think they have made a number of sound offseason moves. Now they may only win 5 games, but A. that would be quite an improvement, and B. That still wouldn't really be the new managements fault.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I have not a single ounce of humanity for Stallworth...

"Reyes was struck and killed by a Bentley driven by Stallworth about 7 a.m. Saturday morning. Reyes, a crane operator, had just gotten off work and was trying to catch a bus when he was hit."

Well at least he commits vehicular/DUI manslaughter with style.

"Stallworth issued a statement Wednesday saying he was "grief stricken" over Reyes' death."

No he isn't. He's "grief stricken" because his career is over, his soon to be dimished income, and the bad reputation he'll have from here on.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks for posting about Thomas, that is concerning. I know/read that he's been at the park a bunch, so I'm not sure what to make of it.....

Stallworth/Little=scumbags.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This isn't even OTAs. It's the kind of practice the players did during their strikes in the 80s. Coaches can't do too much in trying to get them in (except for having workout clauses, but not everyone still attends).

That being said, the Redskins year over year have the highest percentage attendance rate for these practices and OTAs amongst NFL teams....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

red, well put regarding stallworth. He was 'grief stricken' because it looks good in the papers, and thats what his lawyer told him to say......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Was it ever reported whether or not Portis made it to the OTA's this week?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Was it ever reported whether or not Portis made it to the OTA's this week?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 20, 2009 10:28 AM |


After most reporters were saying Portis was not going to be there he actually showed up day one, not sure if he is still here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

He was there on Monday. I doubt he was there after that. But nothing was said one way or the other.

I think he's still in healing mode...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

One problem with building through the draft:

Let's say you drafted 10 players
1 is a raw talent
1 has injury issues, but is a calculated risk
1 gets cut
1 or 2 make the practice squad

By the end of the season you've infused 2 or 3 rooks on O, 2 or 3 rooks on D, and 3 or 4 rooks on special teams.

Many fans and MEMBERS of the media interpret this as a POOR draft.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If you mention Portis in one breath as the leader because he's "vocal", then "Meshawn" fits right in there.

Additionally, if Shannon Sharpe, Tony Siragusa, Brad Johnson, or Keenan Mccardell don't fit into the "leader" category of those teams, I don't know what will.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 10:19 AM

Either you thoroughly enjoy arguing with me or you're not reading what I post: I never disagreed with the list of Skins captains/leaders you named. And I granted you the Brad Johnson/Shannon Sharpe point. Did you not read that?

And comparing Portis to Meshawn is ridiculous bordering lunacy. Portis could definitely stand to shut his mouth, but he's never been kicked off of a team and is definitely not a locker room cancer.

My whole point is there's too much of an emphasis on FA here as opposed to the draft. We can debate semantics all day and night but the bottom line is the current approach isn't getting it done. Are you saying you don't agree with that?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

red, well put regarding stallworth. He was 'grief stricken' because it looks good in the papers, and thats what his lawyer told him to say......

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Red/ B we don't know anything about Stallworth on a personal level. He very well maybe grief stricken for a life that was lost. Not everyone put money above everything.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 20, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Yeah,

It was reported because there was a hoop-la over Portis not showing up to begin with, but then word got out that he truly was there.

Thomas will be ok. Right now he is probably handing out free tickets to the movies to some fans that like his car.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Just pitchin' this out there. Our #13 to the lions fo their #20 and their second rounder. We could go OL and DL with those.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | March 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The uncertainties with Devin Thomas make you wonder if Torrie Holt is worth the look.

He may not have the burst he once had, but route running and hands are more important in the NFL than all out wide out speed.

Holt's presence would also help where M Kelly might be a failure.

If Zorny is going WCO-spread, we'll need a dependable guy with hands who can run the routes opposite Moss/Cooley and be successful.

Holt coming to us from the Rams would be like when the great Henry Ellard joined the team back in the day.

Henry Ellard: memba him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Cork said -

"It's bad enough the GOP screwed up as bad as they did, what really frosts is they are shamelessly attempting to sabotage those trying to correct their mess, and if that means bring the country down doing it, that's fine with them."

Cork - no argument that W's Whitehouse deserves a lot of grief.

BUT four out of the last eight years of their rule had the Dems in control of Congress - writing legislation, overseeing the regulators etc....

Our government was set up so no one enitity could have too much power. Therefore at least half the blame can be laid at the feet of Pelosi/Reid....

We NEED a clean sweep of all elected officials! If not, we deserve what we get!

Posted by: oldnova | March 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Eh, JM, I hear ya, but I think most times when someone apologizes after they've been caught with the smoking gun, they're apologizing because they were caught.

It's a feeling of guilt they carry and the apology is just to prove that they are humane.

If Stallwoth hadn't killed a man and was just driving drunk, do you think he would've admitted that he was in fact drunk behind the wheel and issue an apology for it?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Many fans and MEMBERS of the media interpret this as a POOR draft."

That is the world we live in. Everything is about instant gratification.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 20, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Henry Ellard was Heath's go to guy when the other team wasn't open...

He was part of that 3-13 squad if I recall correctly.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Just pitchin' this out there. Our #13 to the lions fo their #20 and their second rounder. We could go OL and DL with those."

That would be amazing. But who are the Lions moving up to get for such a price?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I am going to be at D&B's White Flint. If Cornell wins, I am buying rounds. Go Big Red!

On the other hand, I wish Cornell had a great chant like "Let's go Peay" or "Morehead, Morehead."

Posted by: moosepod | March 20, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Just pitchin' this out there. Our #13 to the lions fo their #20 and their second rounder. We could go OL and DL with those.
Posted by: shanteefamilee | March 20, 2009 10:37 AM

All day!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Red I don't know. But taking a life can't be a easy thing to deal with. A lot of people want to act like these guys are not human simply because they make a lot of money. I just think that is wrong and not every athlete is Pac Man.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Red/ B we don't know anything about Stallworth on a personal level. He very well maybe grief stricken for a life that was lost. Not everyone put money above everything.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 20, 2009 10:33 AM

I was thinking the same thing.

A man was killed because of him. You would have to pretty desensitised to not be grief stricken. He took away the provider of ones family. Stallworth won't be able to provide for his own fam. Everybody loses......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 20, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think we would benefit greatly from an older Vet WR on the squad and send Thrash packing. Not sure if Holt is to system oriented at this point, but I like the concept of a Holt/Toomer type signing.

Henry Ellard was a great skin, that dude balled for us.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 20, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver.
Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 20, 2009 10:40 AM

Same old song and dance. The bleacher report is not even entertaining to read, much less believable.

With the number 13 pick the Lions could take the best Corner back in the entire draft. I think that would be worth it for them.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 20, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

beep?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

slimbo, I read a report that we're getting Cutler for Leigh Torrence's practice pads, as well as his cleats.....sweet....

Seriously, stop with the Cutler/Campbell trade....please.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"No he isn't. He's "grief stricken" because his career is over, his soon to be dimished income, and the bad reputation he'll have from here on.

Posted by: RedDMV"

don't confuse this with defending the guy, but come on. He killed somebody unintentionally. I think any halfway decent human being would feel pretty bad about it.

That said, just cause he feels bad about it doesn't mean he should get a bye. Aren't they handing out life sentences for these kinds of things nowadays? See ya!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"And comparing Portis to Meshawn is ridiculous bordering lunacy. Portis could definitely stand to shut his mouth, but he's never been kicked off of a team and is definitely not a locker room cancer.

We can debate semantics all day and night but the bottom line is the current approach isn't getting it done. Are you saying you don't agree with that?

Posted by: brownwood26"

"MeShawn" hadn't been kicked off a team up to that point either. But he had been traded from his drafted team. And just so we're clear, this isn't a knock whatsoever on Portis. All it goes to show you is that you can win with these personalities.

No, I'm not disagreeing with you that the current approach isn't getting it done. I'm disagreeing with the reasons as to WHY the approach isn't working.

Posted by: psps23 | March 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Wyche's Mock Draft on NFL.com

"17. Josh Freeman - New York Jets : This is where things get very interesting. Several teams want Freeman and could have to trade ahead of this pick or with the Jets to get him. Freeman's stock is soaring. The Jets need a quarterback, but they could trade for a veteran, deal this pick and move back in the draft for additional second- and/or mid-round selections."

Has Freeman had his pro-day yet? It would be amazing if he could work his way up 4 more spots. With so few 1st round QB's, he would be the trade bait the Skins need to trade back for good value.


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

My whole point is there's too much of an emphasis on FA here as opposed to the draft. We can debate semantics all day and night but the bottom line is the current approach isn't getting it done. Are you saying you don't agree with that?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:32 AM

Last year that was not the case. And the year before that was also not a big FA season for the Skins. I think that the FO has learned but it is hard to overcome some of their mistakes in a couple of years.

I also think that the two "plashy" signings this year cannot be looked at the same way the Skins did things several years ago. Also, if JT had not been injured last year, that signing might not look as bad as it turned out. He was never injured prior to last year. That was just bad luck for the Skins.

If we get more productions from last years 2nd rounders, Reinhart,Moore and Jackson this year, then perspectives will change.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | March 20, 2009 10:40 AM

I can't even list the ways that trade sucks. Let's not get back into the whole Cutler debate again, OK?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

slimbo,

I wouldn't take that to seriously, when the don't mention how Washington would be able to fit an 11mil cap hit for Cooley and a 7.5mil cap hit for Landry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Last year that was not the case. And the year before that was also not a big FA season for the Skins. I think that the FO has learned but it is hard to overcome some of their mistakes in a couple of years.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2009 10:51 AM

If they learned their lesson, then they don't trade for JT last year. Everyone knew that Parcells didn't want JT and if the Skins were patient, he likely would have been cut. Then they could have signed him for much less (at least annually) then what they got him for. And they'd still have a 2nd rounder this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

How about Amani Toomer? He's still a free agent, tore us up last year and he's arguably one of the best #2, #3 WR's in the game. I know we have Marques Hagans the QB from UVA now and Thomas and Kelly, but Toomer would be a nice addition and prolly cheap too.

Posted by: DCXNTX | March 20, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

If they learned their lesson, then they don't trade for JT last year. Everyone knew that Parcells didn't want JT and if the Skins were patient, he likely would have been cut. Then they could have signed him for much less (at least annually) then what they got him for. And they'd still have a 2nd rounder this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 20, 2009 10:57 AM

If the Skins did not trade for him the Giants would have traded for him. Maybe not given as much as the Skins did, but he would not have been available for the Skins to pick up in FA, if he would have chosen to come here at all.

Again, the JT issue may have looked different if he would not have gotten injured for the 1st time in his career.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Stallworth issued a statement Wednesday saying he was "grief stricken" over Reyes' death." No he isn't. He's "grief stricken" because his career is over, his soon to be dimished income, and the bad reputation he'll have from here on.Posted by: RedDMV"

Really? Look, does the CIA or the NSA know about that mind-reading apparatus you've developed? Because the ability to know the true inner thoughts of a complete stranger at great distance -- now that's important to national security.

Sorry, buddy, you've been Requisitioned. The military is outside your door now.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

yoderlayhee:"When you're a last place team in your division under a 2nd year coach and new offensive system, with aging players that were accused of losing 1 on 1 battles I don't think there is any reason to think there are any "quick fixes". This team has been mediocre for years while trying to get "quick fixes" through FA. And you question why people ignore your so-called "quick fixes"?The team needs an identity built through stability. Exhibit A : Steelers."

Whoa, Nelson. I didn't say quick fixes. I said short-term. Quick implies impulsive; short-term means you go into it as something for the present but not the future. An older veteran to fill a hole for a year, perhaps two.

When you look at things that way, a Joey Galloway makes more sense. An asset, rather than a liability.

A Kelly Washington might be NE's future, but I'm pretty sure he's not the present.

This does get us into the debate about whether or not the team is 'developing' young talent (check out the Wizards boards if you want to see that in full flower.) But the point of the NFL is to win now. Patience is not the fans' forte, and thus neither is it management's.

I think real GMs use this method all the time. It's blog GMs who fall in love with prospects and rookies.


Posted by: Samson151 | March 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I feel like we should try to sign tory holt if he is available. He is a sure handed reciever with a good work ethic. He is good insurance in case 89 or 82 get injured and he will rub off positively on 11 and 12.

Posted by: RedskinMan531 | March 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith quoting former local Root Boy Slim:

Fat is where its at. Put a quarter in the juke and boogey til you puke.

Posted by: periculum | March 19, 2009 9:41 PM |

Great quote. Many of us have fond memories of the Root Man.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 21, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

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