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Best place for Redskins to start on the line is at tackle

Perhaps the Redskins plan to play without offensive tackles this season and will try to persuade the rest of the league to do so during the owners' meetings in Orlando. Then again, they often played without tackles last season.

Just kidding.

But the Redskins did have major problems at tackle before Pro Bowler Chris Samuels retired. Stephon Heyer failed miserably after starting the 2009 season as the team's top right tackle, and although Mike Williams surprised at times in his comeback after sitting out three seasons, he was much more effective at guard than tackle, the former coaching staff eventually determined.

The Redskins have pursued several second- and third-tier tackles so far in free agency - and struck out on all of them. Green Bay tackle Chad Clifton visited Ashburn shortly after the market opened and received a nice raise to remain with the Packers. Tony Pashos left the complex without reaching a deal and signed with Cleveland Browns.

And on Monday, Barry Sims, another guy who recently spent time at Redskins Park, decided to remain with the San Francisco 49ers. Sims played the past two seasons under offensive line coach Chris Foerster, the Redskins' new line coach who came to Washington from San Francisco.

Washington did sign versatile guard-tackle Artis Hicks, who served as the primary backup at both positions for the Minnesota Vikings last season. One for four, however, is not an impressive success rate in any endeavor.

To be fair, though, we're not talking about Walter Jones, Tony Boselli and Jim Lachey. Yeah, Clifton has one Pro Bowl appearance, but the guys the Redskins pursued are, well, just guys.

The Redskins' inability to add depth - at least to this point - at tackle in free agency might prompt them to pursue more than one tackle in the draft. If the Redskins do not rate Oklahoma State's Russell Okung highly internally, maybe they'll try to trade down and add picks to possibly acquire more offensive linemen.

I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their top three picks in the next three drafts on offensive linemen. The organization's failure to replenish the line was among the main reasons the team has finished last in the NFC East three of the past four seasons.

Whether Jason Campbell remains the starter this season or a change occurs at quarterback, the Redskins must do a much better job against edge rushers. Bolstering the tackle spots would be a good place to start.

By Jason Reid  |  March 23, 2010; 3:00 PM ET
 
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Posted by: MadeRED | March 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Well said

Posted by: Mike4169 | March 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

It's not a big deal because all teams video tape the other team's defenses and they all keep the tapes for years. The Pats should have just shot the tapes from the stands/pressbox and not the sidelines.

From ESPN:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, wrote:"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."


The whole point of this rule is that the teams can't use the tape during the game. There is no proof the Pats ever used the tapes recorded from the sideline during the game. Even the guys that recorded the tapes claimed that they never gave them to anyone during the game.

Also, it's not a big deal because just like the rumors you stated Shanahan supposedly videotaped the Chargers practices, Al Davis suppsoedly bugged all of his opponents in the locker room, and Jimmy Johnson flat out said that this is the way he was taught to do it by a Chiefs scout. They all record defensive signals and have been doing it for years. That's why they use defensive signals in the first place and change them as often as possible. This did not provide any distinct advantages and that's why nobody makes a big deal out of it. It's not a big deal. The pats got punished pretty harshly for what they actually got caught doing.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh mebbe they're going to build their guys from rooks?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Well since you are making assumptions on the "point" I was trying to make.....


4th, you posted that McCoy is the Playmaker and Suh was the Run Stuffer.

I pointed out another article that stated the opposite of your claim.

Then I pointed out what Suh did in a Conference Championship game, when real players are supposed to step up to show his play making ability and that he isnt just a run stuffer.

Anyone who watched that game knew he was the most talented player on that field.

Stat line for Conf. Championship game:
He finished with 12 tackles (seven for loss) and 4.5 sacks( Maybe I will make an assumption that you think those stats came all in the 1st quarter)

No where in my post did I make the claim I thought Suh was better, that was your assumption on my post. My goal was to show that Suh is a playmaker, and that McCoy is viewed as the Run Stuffer.

But this is RI so feel free to twist the words so they make you feel better.

McCoy is the PlayMaker/PAss Russher. Suh is the run stuffer.

The playmaker will 99% of the time go 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 2:41 PM

Case of semantics. Let me restate.

McCoy 'creates' plays more often than Suh.

Both are playmakers.

McCoy is better. Just like your link showed. Combine #s mean nada....

Suh and McCoy will be good on the next level. But McCoy is projecting to be Awsome. Suh....not as awsome......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"One for four, however, is not an impressive success rate in any endeavor"

The same could be said for the last 4 posts...

Posted by: ksquare | March 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The organization's failure to replenish the line was among the main reasons the team has finished last in the NFC East three of the past four seasons.
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I'd go with "the primary reason".
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW, before anyone calls me a Pats fan, I f#@%ing hate the Pats!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

well...duuuuuuuuh

//sorry

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | March 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their top three picks in the next three drafts on offensive linemen."

By Jason Reid

I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their TOP 2 PICKS THIS YEAR on offensive linemen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Can all the Colt McCoy people please tell me what he has/does that would make him an attractive pick to us on any level?

What is he going to bring to the table that someone like Colt Brennan cannot?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


There are REAL reasons. McCoy played in a pro style offense and Brennan played in a run-&-shoot offense at Hawaii. Those guys tend to have inflated numbers, just like the Texas Tech QBs. But, look at the other things on film. It's the throwing motion. Brennan has the 3/4 delivery that may lead to more balls getting batted. Some people dispel that (it was the same knock on Brees) as long as he can find the passing lanes. People also look at his decision-making (does he try to fit in into a space that he shouldn't?), pre-snap reads versus top-flight college defenses (i.e. Stoops' Oklahoma teams), how he reads coverages before and during a play (they may show man D, but move into a zone or vice versa), how he reads the MLB and safeties, etc. When he throws a slant, where does he place the ball compared to the CB, LB and safety? Can he make the throw he needs to every time or 75% of the time. If the How accurate is he on the run, what about at 25 yards, 35 yards, 50 yards with a safety playing over the top coverage? How well does he pull off the play-action? And, one of the most important things, how smart is he? Does he understand what you are trying to do on offense? Does he understand your scheme? Does he understand what the Defense is trying to do? Does he know how to adjust if the defense takes away the game plan? Brennan may have moxie, but he probably lacks a lot of those qualities or he would have been a higher draft pick. Sure, the draft is a little subjective and early picks are busts and late guys are stars, but all things considered ... McCoy has a better chance to be Brees than Brennan does if you look at the film. I hope this helps explain what they look for when comparing two guys who may seem similar on the surface.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Overtime proposal passes
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 23, 2010 3:22 PM ET
The National Football League owners have approved a change in overtime, starting with the playoffs following the 2010 season, that will modify the sudden-death format and prevent a team from winning a game with a field goal on the opening possession.

The vote was 28-4. It needed at least 24 votes to pass.

It's the first change in playoff overtime rules in the NFL in 52 years.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Even the guys that recorded the tapes claimed that they never gave them to anyone during the game."

Really? You mean the Pats' personnel deny any intentional wrongdoing? Aww....

Please, explain to me why the most calculated coach in NFL history knowingly put his team in danger of an egregious violation of NFL rules if all he wanted was the exact same thing he could have obtained by following the NFL guidelines with regards to film crews.

Innocent mistake my @ss. Anyone that believes they simply 'neglected' the locational rules and were abiding by the spirit of the law is a fool.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with the Colt M vs. Colt B debate?

That's the equivalent of two buddies picking up two 5s at a bar and then getting home and arguing over the two. Either one will do for the night but neither are going to be your permanent starter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Both are playmakers.

McCoy is better. Just like your link showed. Combine #s mean nada....

Suh and McCoy will be good on the next level. But McCoy is projecting to be Awsome. Suh....not as awsome......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

And I'll take that bet.....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

There's an idea....How do you debate this post?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

There are REAL reasons. McCoy played in a pro style offense and Brennan played in a run-&-shoot offense at Hawaii.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure Colt McCoy played in a spread Option, not a Pro-Offense.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

PA...

See we disagree here. i think that it is a big deal. Have you ever heard that Bitc% Tit Bill was one of the best at making mid game adjustments? ironic? While no one admited to giving that video to him during the game, we have no proof... seeing as the NFL destroyed the tapes and no one has actually gone into the investigation orchetrated by the league. We really have no idea what happened here as everything was covered up and brushed under the rug as quickly as possible...

The point here is that they had tapes upon tapes of defensive signals saved up which they used for training purposes. Brady consistently knew the defensive play and i dont care what you or anyone else says... if you know what the D is running you are going to be more successful than if you dont...

Now, a lot of what you said is true and fair. I agree, stealing signals is common. Everyone attempts to do it. In all sports... I played baseball for 20 years... we tried to steal signs like it was our jobs, always watching the 3rd base coach, listening to players make their calls... trying to catch some mistake... but we never video taped it and used it later... ie the Patriots.

Also, do you think its a coincidence that the defensive headset in the helmet came along the YEAR after the pats were caught? I'm just saying, you are falling into exactly what the nfl wants people to think. Its terrible for business to have a cheating incident... especially on its poster boy team, the pats. The thought that they had gained an advantage during their run was something the league did not want, and so it was covered up. And do not tell me it wasn't as ALL OF THE EVIDENCE was destroyed.....

In the end, to me, this was a big deal. Taping and storing the tapes gave the pats an advantage over the average team. Cheating, is cheating, and it gave them an advantage.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with the Colt M vs. Colt B debate?

That's the equivalent of two buddies picking up two 5s at a bar and then getting home and arguing over the two. Either one will do for the night but neither are going to be your permanent starter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I disagree. It's more like a 2 and a 5. I'll take the 5 for the night. Nothing special, but it's better than the two. But, that doesn't mean I'm not angling for that 9 sitting at the bar who's going home with someone, but it'll probably be Spags.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - 100% agree with you. Especially after being called out, single handedly, by the NFL on two seperate occasions? Why continue to do it? Because they were clearly gaining some competitive edge.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

good post. With a few minor edits, it could have posted it anytime in the past 3 years

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

moe

Where are shar pourdanish and andre jonhson on your most loved list.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

JR,

You might be a nice guy, but man you are horrible sports reporter. It is all about your ego and your feelings about redskins. This regime has a plan and they will work that plan. I am totally confident.

First, there is draft and there will be many more backup lineman availalble after the draft, as they will be cut from their current teams.

You will stop crtisizing the redskins.. yeah right... Even if they win superball, you will be critisizing.

How about tryig to find out how are they running the team now and try to report something from the current workouts. There got to be a lot of stories, but ofcourse that would mean you will have to get off your chair and move a limb...

Posted by: capitolteacher | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their top three picks in the next three drafts on offensive linemen."

By Jason Reid

I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their TOP 2 PICKS THIS YEAR on offensive linemen.


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used only 1 pick on an OL, considering they haven't drafted a top OL since...2000?

I compiled a list of the OL that were drafted by the 'Skins since 2000. Pretty ugly if you ask me. Samuels is gone, Dockery is still here, and Rhino is still here. Everyone else is a wash.


Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3
Michael Moore 2000 Rd. 4 Pick 35
Reggie Coleman 2002 Rd. 6 Pick 20
Derrick Dockery 2003 Rd. 3 Pick 17
Mark Wilson 2004 Rd. 5 Pick 19
Jim Molinaro Rd. 6 Pick 15
Kili Lefotu Rd. 7 Pick 22
Chad Rinehart Rd. 3 Pick 33

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with the McCoy vs. Suh debate?

That's the equivalent of two buddies picking up two 9s at a bar and then getting home and arguing over the two. Don't ruin the night arguing between the two just be happy they were available and have at it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Dunno why there is a foregone conclusion about Colt McCoy being a washout. If he played in the championship game, we are likely talking about McCoy as an Aaron Rogers type who has all the tools but you wouldn't want to toss into the ring on opening day.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

There's an idea....How do you debate this post?

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 23, 2010 3:34 PM

Well....since you asked....

We need more than OLine. We need QB, RB, LT, DTs, CBs, LBs, Safties.....

We are really in search of 1-2 starters on the line. LT is needed. Heyer had a bad year due to injuries. HE started as a rookie on a playoff team.

If you focus on one position, you lose focus on the team. You can get a starting LT in the 2nd/3rd rounds. As well as starting RTs in the 3rd-5th rounds. And Gaurds can come from anywhere......

Speed backs don't go past round 2 at the latest. Which is why the will select SPiller (or Suh) with the #4 pick in the draft.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I do hope the Redskins win superball.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: capitolteacher | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this post...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

4th, Heyer is "just a guy." I was riding shotgun with you on his bandwagon but dude wasn't that good last season before he hurt his knee.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I vote for drafting a left tackle with our first pick and a right tackle with our second pick... and an interior lineman with the third or fourth pick we exercise in this draft.

My man Aaron in the PDX Skins fan group (we had a little powwow last night over some terrific beers) thinks Big Mike Williams might be in the mix for right tackle, having had a year to get his strength and conditioning back after dropping all that weight. That seems like it could work, but unless he's truly improved this offseason I'd rather see BMW as a versatile sixth or seventh OL on the roster than see him starting at RG or RT...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Speed backs don't go past round 2 at the latest."

This is where you failed your argument.

Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood, Ahmad Bradshaw, Ryan Grant, Willie Parker, Brian Westbrook, Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, etc.

The list goes on. None of those names were drafted in the first 2 rounds. All were speed backs at one point in their careers. A couple were/are feature backs, and damn good ones too. Running backs can be found anywhere.

And if anyone knows where to find a sleeper RB, it's Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

There are REAL reasons. McCoy played in a pro style offense and Brennan played in a run-&-shoot offense at Hawaii.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure Colt McCoy played in a spread Option, not a Pro-Offense.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Depends on how you want to classify it. The spread option is more what Urban Meyer runs an Florida. Mack Brown has run a more pro style O back with Major Applewhite and Chris Sims and even Vince Young. VY ran more out of it. When Colt arrived, Mack wanted to use his legs and, b/c Colt was 160 lbs, he wanted him to avoid getting hit by 300 lbs linemen. So, they scaled back the offense (Colt was a freshman) and used a lot of West Coast elements (3-step, quick-hitting drops) and roll-outs to avoid the rush. It developed over his 4 years at Texas into Mack's offense, but he never wanted Colt to lose his ability to scramble. He liked that dynamic and how VY was able to tear up Defenses. Sorry for the long post, but it doesn't have the terminology of spread option -- ringo (RB Right), lucky (RB left), back mo (RB in slot, motion to QB's side). It uses blast, dive, gut, etc. I actually have a ton of official college playbooks that I've accrued over the years coaching.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

One of the waterfalls on Cornell's campus

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattchamplin/290530837/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Really? You mean the Pats' personnel deny any intentional wrongdoing? Aww....

Please, explain to me why the most calculated coach in NFL history knowingly put his team in danger of an egregious violation of NFL rules if all he wanted was the exact same thing he could have obtained by following the NFL guidelines with regards to film crews.

Innocent mistake my @ss. Anyone that believes they simply 'neglected' the locational rules and were abiding by the spirit of the law is a fool.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The Pat's personnel you are referring to is the same exact guy fired by the Pats and the guy that gave up the tapes so if you're suggesting that he was doing the Pats a favor I'm going to have to disagree.

Nobody said it was an innocent mistake. The debate here is about how much it actually helped them. Scouts go to the next 2 games and sit in the press box and write down as much as possible while recording as much audio as possible. They all watch game film before the game and guys sit there during the game activly trying to steal signals. The notion that this is some thing that made the Pats beat everyone and without they sucked is pretty off base. Since Spygate they've went 35-10 including making it to the super bowl and winning 11 games with a backup QB that didn't even start since high school.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM

Shepard Fairey- Very ugly list, indeed

Jon Jansen 1999 Rd. 2 Pick 37
Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3

This what we need to replicate in this year’s draft. And it just so happens that we pick in almost the same exact position that our bookends from the past were taken. This would give us HOPE in the NFC East and upgrade our line for the next 8-10 years

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

4th , I’m a little confused….who do you think they are going to draft with the 4th pick?

I’m starting to think if you showed us your basement there would be 3,000 copies of your “mock” written in magic marker all over the walls and ceiling with newspaper and magazine cutouts of your picks…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Adifferent gorge than the prior one. Cascadilla Gorge forms the border of the Cornell campus -- I crossed it every day on my way to classes on a small footbridge. It was further upstream, but still got to see a 3 foot waterfall each day.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wnywaterfallers/3579676539/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

mccoy defense and suh defense might be the best D college players in the draft, but to say that colt mccoy played against elite defense is incorrect in my opinion. big 12 defenses suck, they just arent that good. big 12 football in general is not nfl material. if you want nfl players, draft sec, big 10, usc and the u

or in the Skins case draft o-line

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

There are REAL reasons. McCoy played in a pro style offense and Brennan played in a run-&-shoot offense at Hawaii.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse
___________

McCoy ran a spread offense at Texas and was rarely under center. That's isn't a pro-style offense.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 23, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Heyer had a bad year due to injuries. HE started as a rookie on a playoff team.


Posted by: 4thFloor

Heyer had a bad year because he's sorry.


I know you fawn all over this guy, but Heyer is McScrubbins, poop, trash, garr-barge.


He got to start because... well, they didn't have any other options left. It's like trying to run a 5 on 5 on the court and the last one picked is usually a bum.

What you typed at top should read: "Heyer had a bad year due to injuries. HE started as a de facto rookie tackle on a playoff team."

They simply didn't have too many other options.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Draft three lineman and hope they all can play?

That's a big roll of the dice.

They absolutely need to get at least two proven veterans that have some record of playing. More likely three. And there aren't many out there which is why ordinary guys like Sims are being overpaid.

Otherwise it'll be 2009 all over again.

And that's just the O-line. Also needed: a young QB, another linebacker, another DB, wide receiver, kick returner....on and on...

They've gone from being too reckless with FA to now, it appears, being too cautious.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 23, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

C'mon over, guys.

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Redskins plan to play without offensive tackles this season and will try to persuade the rest of the league to do so during the owners' meetings in Orlando. Then again, they often played without tackles last season.

Just kidding.
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Wocka, Wocka, Wocka... Very funny...

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 23, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: capitolteacher | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this post...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Makes no Student Left behind kind of scary doesn't it?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 23, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Fat Guys only!!!!! trade down to get even more big bois.....does Tebow remind anyone of Billy Kilmer....good pick if he's still there in round 4

Posted by: devans_design | March 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3
Michael Moore 2000 Rd. 4 Pick 35
Reggie Coleman 2002 Rd. 6 Pick 20
Derrick Dockery 2003 Rd. 3 Pick 17
Mark Wilson 2004 Rd. 5 Pick 19
Jim Molinaro Rd. 6 Pick 15
Kili Lefotu Rd. 7 Pick 22
Chad Rinehart Rd. 3 Pick 33


Good research but if this is the complete list isn't it disturbing that only 8 OL drafted in the past 10 years?? And not that other than Samuels no one was picked before the 3rd round. You draft you anchors, offensive linemen, in the first couple of rounds and then fill out with depth later. You can't expect productive guys out of 5th and 6th round picks; you'll get lucky with some but it's not a recipe for success. Skins need to draft Okung with #4 pick and draft at least 2 more OL to develop some young depth. If Okung is gone at 4 then trade down to add antoher pick to use on more depth

Posted by: txskinsfan1 | March 23, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their top three picks in the next three drafts on offensive linemen." jr reid

Whaaaaatt? Reid really should be less inclined to form blanket opinions which span the next three NFL drafts.

Does anyone have an informed opinion on where the skins are gonna pick up a FS? Trade(carter), draft (forth rnd), develop our current players (doughty, moore)?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen are the only ones that know their plans. I dont know why everyone keeps getting worked up over not getting these old, past-their-prime, overpaid linemen. Maybe Shanny didnt like what they had to say. Maybe they want too much money. Who knows? All I know is, I would rather get 2 outstanding rookie tackles (1st and 2nd round) and coach em up a bit rather than pay way too much for two 30 something linemen that are set in their ways. Shanny knows what he is doing! If we draft two linemen and get another after final cuts we will be just fine! RELAX

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 23, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen are the only ones that know their plans. I dont know why everyone keeps getting worked up over not getting these old, past-their-prime, overpaid linemen. Maybe Shanny didnt like what they had to say. Maybe they want too much money. Who knows? All I know is, I would rather get 2 outstanding rookie tackles (1st and 2nd round) and coach em up a bit rather than pay way too much for two 30 something linemen that are set in their ways. Shanny knows what he is doing! If we draft two linemen and get another after final cuts we will be just fine! RELAX

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't criticize the Redskins if they used their top three picks in the next three drafts on offensive linemen."

Maybe you wouldn't, but everyone else would, because it would be stupid.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Good research but if this is the complete list isn't it disturbing that only 8 OL drafted in the past 10 years??:

For this to have any meaning, you have to include free agent signings -- particularly when Washington is involved.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

rinehart may not be on the team of o-lineman drafted since 2000..so far he has done absolutely nothing and will probably be beaten out by m. williams and hicks and then get his walking papers. heyers was cheaper than rinehart but he certainly is not the answer at RT he could be shown the door also as should rabach.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 23, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen are the only ones that know their plans. I dont know why everyone keeps getting worked up over not getting these old, past-their-prime, overpaid linemen. Maybe Shanny didnt like what they had to say. Maybe they want too much money. Who knows? All I know is, I would rather get 2 outstanding rookie tackles (1st and 2nd round) and coach em up a bit rather than pay way too much for two 30 something linemen that are set in their ways. Shanny knows what he is doing! If we draft two linemen and get another after final cuts we will be just fine! RELAX

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 23, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Can all the Colt McCoy people please tell me what he has/does that would make him an attractive pick to us on any level?

What is he going to bring to the table that someone like Colt Brennan cannot?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


Don't know if you read the article on redskins.com but Colt has pretty much stated the he did not pre-pare as much as he should have in the past two years. So we want a QB (colt brennan) who admitted he did not do all he could have done.....now that his back is against the wall, he attempts to be all he can be. That does not look good to me. But I guess that's the leader that some of the skin's faithful would like to have.

Posted by: joh375 | March 23, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels 2000 Rd. 1 Pick 3
Michael Moore 2000 Rd. 4 Pick 35
Reggie Coleman 2002 Rd. 6 Pick 20
Derrick Dockery 2003 Rd. 3 Pick 17
Mark Wilson 2004 Rd. 5 Pick 19
Jim Molinaro Rd. 6 Pick 15
Kili Lefotu Rd. 7 Pick 22
Chad Rinehart Rd. 3 Pick 33

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting list -- do other teams fail three quarters of the time when they draft OL?

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 23, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason Fox, OT from Miami, could be had in the third round if we pick up an extra pick by trading down. He would start at RT on day 1 and be a good backup LT. He is coming off Knee surgery and there are things he has said that really upset me, but I respect his talent.

Posted by: photoassign | March 23, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if you read the article on redskins.com but Colt has pretty much stated the he did not pre-pare as much as he should have in the past two years. So we want a QB (colt brennan) who admitted he did not do all he could have done.....now that his back is against the wall, he attempts to be all he can be. That does not look good to me. But I guess that's the leader that some of the skin's faithful would like to have.

Posted by: joh375 | March 23, 2010 9:38 PM

I got the impression that Brennan was just realizing there were better ways to prepare than he'd used before. I did not get the impression that he was saying he just didn't try. I found the article about Brennan intriguing, and I've only been a lukewarm and semi-interested follower of Brennan's; not one of his big supporters. I'm glad he feels like he feels that he's getting a fair shot... however it turns out.

Posted by: OintheSierras | March 24, 2010 3:10 AM | Report abuse

no more campbell please!!!!!!

Posted by: cavalieri10 | March 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

no more campbell please!!!!!!

Posted by: cavalieri10 | March 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Reid will say anything just to keep Campbell QB... Look here's an idea TRADE Campbell for a LT (like Gibbs did with Schroeder for Lachey) OR trade him for a draft pick to get a tackle.. Yes we need a LT we also NEED to get rid of Campbell as QB!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

...an Aaron Rogers type who has all the tools but you wouldn't want to toss into the ring on opening day.

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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MSW- Mark my hispanic words, Colt McCoy will end up being as good as Aaron Rogers and a threat to run. 100% better prospect than Tebow

Posted by: ElYeah | March 24, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The O-line is the primary reason why the Redskin was losing the way they was last year. Jason Campell is a FINE quarterback, he has 3700(something like that) yards last year with a patched-up o-line with a bunch of no name, the 0-line look so bad that I felt bad for J Campell, I mean the rarely get time to throw the ball, he lucky if he get 2 second before he get hurry or get sack

Posted by: uyxbox360 | March 27, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I would be absolutely thrilled if the Skins used both their top picks on Tackles. There is no reason to reach for a QB in a weak QB draft. Enough with the Tebow crap too; this is all media hype about the QBs.

Posted by: ar652 | March 27, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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