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Hey there, I am swamped with a ton of stuff - including a big story for Sunday - and flying solo today, so the blog had to wait. Sorry.
I was told about an hour ago that Betts could earn up to $11 million in his five year deal. He gets $3.5 to sign and $5.5 guaranteed - from what I heard - which is very much in the $6-million figure I've been mentioning. I'm trying to get a few more sources to confirm thosse figures, but the people I hear it fron should be spot on.

On the injury front, everyone practice and Jansen said his calf is much better and he intends to play. So they should be pretty healthy overall.

Alright, got to get back to my stuff.

Have a great weekend.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 8, 2006; 3:30 PM ET
 
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Wow.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

5 years...hopefully we won't need him for a couple more, but good to have. C ya TJ.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | December 8, 2006 3:46 PM | Report abuse

It occured to me. What is Portis AND him go down? Perhaps we should redo Rocks' contract. Somewhere around 4.5 mill a year. woudln't want to overdo it.

Posted by: Skinz | December 8, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

By comparison, Chester Taylor signed a four-year, $14.1 million contract that included $5.6 million in guaranteed bonuses to be the Vikings STARTING running back.

Welcome to the Redskins.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

They're serving Kool-Aid over at the DC Sport Bog blog!!!

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2006/12/the_skins_final_glorious_playo.html

Mmmm.... Kool-Aid.

Posted by: QFB | December 8, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Gov,

They very well could be there. There were almost 50 pepes there last year dressed. Only 4 people I knew going in and being as they are all dressed the same it's hard to really know who's who.

Only thing I remember is putting names and numbers on my Naughty and Nice list. When I woke up the next morning I coudln't remember which designation alluded to who warranted a callback.

Posted by: Skinz | December 8, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

How much do you guys wanna bet that Betts doesn't live up to the contract. lol hahahaha I crack myself up

Posted by: Gold Jerry, Gold | December 8, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I wish "Mr." Snyder was my boss.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 8, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Jamal Lewis signed a three-year, $26 million contract with the Ravens March 13. According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, the deal includes a $5 million signing bonus and a $1 million base salary. The contract also offers two years during which he can make $10 million."

To be the starter.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

i don't know who that sarcastyc @$$hole is who wrote that stuff on the sports blog but he is one big mofo. i hate him as much as i hate cowboys

Posted by: thor | December 8, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Look around the league at how many teams have STARTING RBs playing on their first NFL contract:

LJ
Gore
Parker
Jackson
Jones
Addai
Brown
Bell
Williams
Jones
McGahee
Maroney

And we have to pay $5.5 Mil to our BACKUP? Something is wrong here.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This is one of those things where I don't really care how much money he's making vis-a-vis other RBs. just as long as he stays (and continues to be productive) and the $ we pay him doesn't screw us over in other areas.

Posted by: OD | December 8, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If Betts left, people would piss and moan that we let our good players go, we sign him to a deal, and people piss and moan that it was too much money.

Some of you need to find a better outlet for your issues.

Comparing to Chester Taylor, its for LESS money, and for LONGER years.

The cap is going up and 90% of the league is going to have more than 10 million in cap space. If he hit the free agent market, he'd have been GONE. Of course then, you'd just piss and moan about how we let our good players go.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 8, 2006 4:10 PM | Report abuse

You have a valid point, I still think we pretty much did what we always do, bid against ourselves. I really can't say whether or not that's alot for a backup. I can say that we have far greater issues all over the place than RB.

Posted by: Skinz | December 8, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Greg --

If we didn't have Portis, I'd be the first to say this was a great job by the Skins. But you simply can't sink that much money (Portis $ + Betts new $) into the RB position. Especially when you already have so much money sunk into the WR position and your defense has a ton of holes.

I love Betts. I think he is a very nice player. But it's a mistake to pay him starter money when you already have double-digit millions invested in Portis.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't seem like a too big of a deal. If 3.5 is a hit against this year cap and 2 against next year cap. I think it's a good deal. Now he just need to show up each and every week and earn the money.

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The cap hits would start in 2007.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 4:23 PM | Report abuse

How can Skins fans be upset at this? I'm baffled.

The Redskins just did exactly what we have been asking them to do for the last 4 months and longer -- RETAIN CORE SKINS!

We did it, and we didn't overspend when you realize he is a productive backup who is showing flashes of starter potential. In the process we kept a productive and improving player who is not only insurance, but a regular contributor to the offense.

I'm honestly at a loss here. Can't any of us be happy with the good things that the Skins do... the things we ask them to do? Or are we all that far gone?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 8, 2006 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I think we bid against him getting to free agency next year. Unless he gets hurt, he's going to crack the 1000 yard barrier, and have close to 50 catches. You think a team like Houston, or the Giants wouldn't love to bring a guy like that in? Especially the Giants where Tiki, is gone after this year, and they could weaken a division rival. This is a smart move, once the money starts flying this offseason, Betts will be at a bargain.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 8, 2006 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I am with Greg in Beantown!!!!! We say all the time we need to keep our own players, we did that...did we overpay...maybe but its not our money and I would rather give it to guys with a track record HERE than other places. Betts and Portis make a good combo....they are different enough to scare defenses and similar enough to keep the same blocking schemes...I Portis will hold up better at 18 carries a game than 28...

I think the NFL needs a larry Bird exemption like the NBA where you can get cap relief/exstention/break when signing your own guys.

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 8, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

If this is an extension, then the signing bonus should start this year, right?

JLC, if you get a chance, can you ask about that aspect?

Thanks for the update.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 8, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

folks may be whining, but at least we stopped talking about soccer...

Posted by: OD | December 8, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown,

I don't get it either. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

C-Money, we didn't give him starter money. You compared him to Chester T. but he got LESS money for LONGER terms? How can you compare the 2? Teams now have 2 players capable of starting. Look at the Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, Colts, they all have 2 running backs EACH capable of starting. Its the way the NFL is going now.

Posted by: Greg (Boston) | December 8, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

OD I am with you on the anti soccer tip....sorry JLaC

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 8, 2006 4:32 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, not to quibble, but Addai backs up Dominic Rhodes and Maroney backs up Corey Dillon. I think Portis is a better all around back than Rhodes or Dillon. I think Addai and Maroney (both rookies) are probably more nimble than Betts (and Maroney does returns), but I think Betts' experience as both a blocker and receiver puts him in a different group. Someone can correct me, but I think both Addai and Maroney got picked in the first round. [I think Portis and Betts were second rounds picks ... actually in the same draft when Duckett was a first round pick.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Also remember Portis put up crazy numbers in Denver and he was sometimes part of a 3 back rotation

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 8, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Betts got paid. Good for him. Why is it any of our business what his salary is? For the last few weeks we've been bemoaning the fact that this team is undisciplined in free agency. Great, now there's less money for them to be undisciplined with. Plus, we get to keep one of the "Core Redskins" that St. Joe always pays lip service to.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 8, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse


Have a good weekend everybody. Go skins go! xoxoxo

Posted by: Jane Doe | December 8, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry makes a good point. Wouldn't it be beneficial to try to LIMIT the number of carries that Portis has, ESPECIALLY when you can put a QUALITY back like Betts into the game? Wouldn't a FRESHER, Portis at the end of the year be more BENEFICIAL to the teams success?

I'm baffled by people being against this. Its amazing....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 8, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

My only concern about Betts is the number of games he's missed due to injury. And unlike previous years, he is no longer a featured PR or KR. Otherwise, it was right to re-sign him at the price the market will bear (bearing in mind that the Skins' participation in that market is skewed b/c they have a history of paying so much compared to other teams).

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 4:38 PM | Report abuse

OBVIOUSLY YOUR OWN PLAYERS SUCK!!(4-8)SO KEEPING THEM IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT,THIS TEAM NEEDS TO BE BUILT FROM BOTTOM UP,BACKUP RBs ARE A DIME A DOZEN IN THE DRAFT FOR FAR LESS MONEY!!NO SURPRISE jm220 PUTS A GOOD DC SPIN ON IT!! YOUR FATES WERE SEALED WHEN GIBBY DECIDED TO STAY!!!hehehe

Posted by: Anonymous | December 8, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg (Boston),

I agree with you. Why is everyone such HATERS? If we let Betts go, everyone would complain....now we sign him and people are complaining.

Enough of the HATE....with all the Skins losses it really gets one down.

Posted by: Lisa | December 8, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am nonplussed by the Betts signing. Nah, I guess I'm happy with it. Clearly we need a good backup because Portis plays 100% from the first snap of training camp, and with that kind of effort he's going to be more and more injury-prone as the seasons tick by. And Betts fits perfectly under the heading of good backup.

I'm not so good with math, but the money seems reasonable, especially given the astronomical figures soon to be hitting the blog during our annual spending spree (Lord help us).

If this re-signing is truly an indication that Betts and the coaches are simpatico, I can't see that as a bad thing. Hopefully we can remove the RB position from our offseason worry list.

And, hopefully, screwing victim Duckett will get paid by a team not in our division.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 8, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Off topic.RIO DE JANEIRO -- Brazilian women handball players threw punches and pulled each other's hair in a brawl that forced a national championship semifinal to be abandoned.

You got to love Brazil! Have a great weekend Jane Doe. wink

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And another thing....Betts has been a stand up guy ever since he has been here....just works hard and does not complain. He deserves to get paid.

Posted by: Lisa | December 8, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, its negativity for the sake of negativity. I don't get it. Read through these blogs, and people SCREAM from the mountaintops about PIERCE, WALT, CLARK, and how STUPID the FO was for letting them walk. When we do sign one of our own guys, people aren't satisfied.

Its this weird dynamic that I just don't comprehend.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 8, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Betts deal was good, I mean c'mon people we pay our "personal punt protector" 30 mil with 10 mil in guarantees!!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | December 8, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"I thought the Betts deal was good, I mean c'mon people we pay our "personal punt protector" 30 mil with 10 mil in guarantees!!!!"

Ouch, Inigo... ouch. I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 8, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

B-town,

no, but I do know a good Dread Pirate Roberts!!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | December 8, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

jm220, Please tell me it was televised and I can find it on youtube this weekend!

Posted by: FCC | December 8, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sweet. Congrats to Betts as this is long overdue. Can we get a do-over from Denver now for Champ? Shut-down corner for an above average but nothing special RB (looking at you SE Jerome).

Posted by: Shmoo | December 8, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Brazilian Women Handball Players"

Something tells me this isn't exactly going to be the Brazilian national swimsuit team.

Besides, I'm a lover, not a fighter. At the risk of starting another movie title thread, I'll just say that I'm not so into watching people fight.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 8, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

FCC not sure if it's on youtube or not. It just made me laugh when I read the story.

P I believe in peace when possible. And lay the smack down when necessary.

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good contract for both parties if J-La's numbers are right. A $3.5 bonus is not a killer over 5 years. I'm assuming the other $2M guarantee is a roster bonus at some point.

Good for Betts, he earned a nice payday. Good for the Redskins for keeping one of their own.

Good for all the bloggers for another solid week of Redskins Insider. Have a nice weekend.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 8, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way: if Betts were a free agent from another team, we'd all be saying how the Skins have yet again overpaid ($5M guaranteed for a backup). So, no, I don't let the team off the hook just because they are retaining a player rather than signing a free agent. Under the cap, you have to be smart with your money -- you can't overload one position at the expense of others. This is classic Redskins overspending. Why pay for 1 WR to start opposite Moss when we can pay two?

This is much different than losing Pierce, Smoot, Bailey, etc. Those were starters at positions where the team had no capable replacement. We have Portis.

I guess I'm in the minority. Maybe what this deal reveals more than anything is the Skins' draft ineptitude. The past three years they have failed to find a capable RB in the draft and that has led to having to spend more money than they would want on a backup RB.

Posted by: CMoney | December 8, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Nothing special RB"


wha? Portis is straight beast AND he is a character guy who brings intangibles to the field, locker room, gives the skins some good pub with his fun antics....

Do you think it was pure coincidence that we played well when Portis loosened up the locker room, the media and fans with his personalities and press conferences we started the winning streak and made the playoffs? Well it wasnt!!! It cant be all hard work and doomsaying, football is a game...Portis, like Riggins, Manley, Curtis Jordan, Smoot and other before him help the guys and fans stay loose and make it fun thats important...thats why Gibbs allows the Hoggs, the fatigues, the fun bunch, the shed beer sessions, the SE Jerome b/c he knows its what helps teams win...

I loved Champ as much as the next guy, hell "champ" was every internet password I needed...but it was three years ago, he wasnt staying and we did the best we could....thats hardly a deal to dog the skins on....

LAY OF PORTIS THE DUDE IS THE BOMB AND GIVES HIS HEART EVERY SNAP....EVEN ON MEANINGLESS PRE SEASON GAMES. IF HE WAS HEALTHY THIS YEAR WE'D BE SCRAPING FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 8, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

...Sorry I snapped the losing, the scientology, the negativity...its getting to me...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 8, 2006 5:26 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, but Betts is NOT a free agent from another team. He is a player with a year into the 700 page playbook of THIS team. He's been playing with these same guys for four years. Its not the same.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Some people just not going to be happy no matter what the FO do. Reading some of the comments one can see why The Dan is worried about talking. No matter what he does, it not a good move. How many of you was just crying about us letting him go? Now he is sign you want to cry about the amount. The number of years and the amount is not bad.

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Also, if the Skins really do get serious about being a running team first, then its not accurate to think of Betts as a backup -- any more than it is to think about the #2 or #3 receiver as a back up.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 5:34 PM | Report abuse

*pat* *pat* (on the back)

It's OK, LC. We understand here at RI.

Posted by: charlie | December 8, 2006 5:34 PM | Report abuse

chubacca lunk. muck bugga fck. burdonkey dookey doo. buggaboo chunk.

Posted by: praying mantis | December 8, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

5.5 mil guaranteed. For all of you whining and moaning about us "overpaying," the first 3.5 mil are against this years cap, money that we couldn't have spent anywhere else but to resign our own players. This is a huge positive...we've essentially resigned Betts in the future for 2 mil in guaranteed money. That's nothing for a player like him. Now let's get Cooley (especially Cooley) and Taylor extended.

Posted by: Jay | December 8, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Just a hunch, but I think jm220 is going to be taking a break from the do-gooding down on the bayou next week, when a fog rolls in and he looks around to find a voodoo witch answering to Jane Doe strolling along with him, demanding something awful... (picturing her more along the lines of Lisa Bonet in Angel Heart than Ellen Barkin in Big Easy.)

Godspeed, jm220.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 8, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

it's truly amazing how so many people have turned their back on portis in the last month...come on people, he set a team record for yards, and probably would have hit 1000 this year, quite possibly joe Gibbs' worst season ever. CP would have turned a lot of Betts' 10 yard runs against the Falcons into 20-30 yard runs. He has THAT sick of a vision when he's got the ball. Just wait until next year when he's fully healthy....and THEN IF...IF he doesn't play up to CP standards, then you can say something....but first year of a new offense, effing up his shoulder in preseason....don't complain

Posted by: k-man | December 8, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Once again, a day in the life of Redskins fans. Betts is a "proven" Redskin and is a great 1-2 punch with Portis...Damn if we do...damn if we don't.

On another note, let me be the first to say that some of the other things the Skins' do baffle me, but let me put it in this perspective.

1)Fans say, we don't draft...
We drafted Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, Ledell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, and Kedric Golston.

The only player that we should not have let go was Antonio Pierce.

Didn't we draft Taylor Jacobs and Rod Gardner (How long were we supposed to wait for Jacobs to step up?) He had plenty of chances last year.

I heard none of this crap last year when we got Santana Moss and Clinton Portis the year before. The problem is we made a big mistake with "Arch Deluxe". We ain't the only teams that make free-agent mistakes (Eagles and T.O., Miami and Culpeper).

Posted by: rich | December 8, 2006 5:51 PM | Report abuse

when a fog rolls in and he looks around to find a voodoo witch answering to Jane Doe strolling along with him, demanding something awful

Nate in the PDX LMAO! If that happens I coming back looking for you.

k-man I co sign on the statement about CP

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The next question is what happens to Duckett?
Rock has earned himself another w/special teams play and I'm wondering whether the Saunders offense (which seems to want to pass ... even when the running game is winning 14-0 in the first half!) can afford to carry four RBs.

Given that Duckett is also a year into the Saunders' playbook, I would HOPE he can be kept away from the NFC East. With Tiki gone and Jacobs staying, the Giants don't seem like they need to replicate Jacobs (which Duckett would do). Julius Jones and Marion Barber seem like their jobs are good together for another year. The Eagles need to be held at bay ... Westbrook healthy starts, Reno Mahe is waiting to be #2 (earning his keep on returns), and I don't know how the Eagles feel about Buckhalter.

Next year, we play Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, Miami, Green Bay, Minnesota, New England, NY Jets, and our mirrors in the NFC West and South, which at best is Carolina and St. Louis, but more likely Tampa Bay and Arizona.

Who does that leave as a home for Duckett (assuming we don't want to have to face him in the regular season)? AFC North, South, and West, New Orleans, Seattle, Atlanta, San Francisco.

Of those, who needs a #2 (or a #1) back? Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston, Denver (yes, Denver), and San Francisco.

I want all the best for Duckett (go Spartans!), but I would just as soon not face him on the field.

Anyone bored enough to think about this one?

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Good point, k-man. We often forget that we have two guys who are among the best at their positions in the league: CP and Santana. Those two have not yet both played with Soupy under center. I can't wait to see the three of them plus Cooley as the heart of the '07 offense, with complementary players like Betts, ARE, Sellers, Yoda, and Rock contributing to the all out assault. Hail yeah!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 8, 2006 5:59 PM | Report abuse

poop stick

Posted by: poop | December 8, 2006 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Good move in front loading the Betts contract! I thought we'd probably let him go since he has a similar running style to Portis but it makes sense to keep him. If Portis goes down again then Betts fills in and knows what to do. Can't knock the FO for realizing that and keeping a "core Redskin". Too bad they didn't realize this with Smoot and Pierce, but whatever. As long as they try and keep our guys from now on I'll be happy. Now, if only we could get them to hire a GM and quit trading away our draft picks...

Posted by: Posse Redux | December 8, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

jm/P:

I'm all for peace and all that, but jm is right smackdowns and especially decleatings are sometimes in order . . .

I'm still rooting for Bus #2 (#45) to decleat anyone of the iggles defensive backs . . .

peace . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 8, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Of those, who needs a #2 (or a #1) back? Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston, Denver (yes, Denver), and San Francisco.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 05:57 PM

dcsween:

DENVER. . .that would be way too ironic, not only do the donkeys get picks from the skins, they also get TJ to boot?!? Arrghhh!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 8, 2006 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I see TJ going to Eagles, Raiders, or the Texans. My hope is the Raiders since they are my other team and I like the way TJ has conducted himself this year.

Posted by: jm220 | December 8, 2006 7:28 PM | Report abuse

sorry if this has arleady been beat to a bloody pulp "as per usual" . . .

best quotes from bos interview with JG . . .

"But I'll fight, change, whatever it takes. This is my problem. It's my responsibility [sic]"

"I'm committed," he says. "We will get back."

positively warms my heart. . . just cannot bear to think about what it would mean if he if he can't get it done . . .

so, I remain, hopelessly committed to being a fan despite my current frustrations . . .

oh btw, the decleatings do help ease the frustration . . .

hail!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 8, 2006 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Facts:
1. skins beat reporter (jason) has said he doesn't think portis will be healthy/100% next year.

2. when gibbs came back everyone said he didn't need to get portis and said he had the gibbs type of runner in betts already.

3. after the bos column of gibbs today everyone on here thinks he's willing to hire a gm.

4. today's signing of betts is a personell decision.

5. betts signing will affect 2007 salary cap(?).

re: the
damn if you do and damn if you don't
comment.

Once again joe gibbs is saying one thing and doing another. In bos artical according to Jason of the blog he's saying that he's willing to hire a GM and on the other hand he's doing the exact thing that a GM would do FOR NEXT YEAR.

I learned in Psych 101 or was it commonsense 101 that in order to help make things better you have to realize that there is something wrong. It seems to me by today's ACTIONS that gibbs thinks that he can still judge talent and make personell decisions.

How can he hire a GM/a personell person who actually knows NFL talent (a solution)(like he suggested) when he isn't admitting that vinny or him or snyder isn't the solution (by today's actions).

And that's my beef with this signing. Would anyone like to argue this point?

Posted by: dealer | December 8, 2006 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

I absolutely disagree with you. Gibbs has resigned ONE player...someone who has poured his heart and soul into this team. Betts is talented and we've all seen that. Finally, they have resigned a "core" Redskin before his contract expires and he journeys off to another team and becomes a huge success.

Posted by: Lisa | December 8, 2006 9:55 PM | Report abuse

lisa, no, you don't [disagree with me]. :) you're just glad that gibbs did something that you wanted him to do. but sorry i'm not drinking this koolaid no more. it's not the specifically the move it's the act. he committed a GM act after he said that maybe they need someone here that knows something about NFL talent...

also lisa, gm's sometimes do that's not very popular like picking donovan mcnaab over ricky williams...

Posted by: dealer | December 8, 2006 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Betts!? Only Washington could sign a back up rb like Betts to that kind of money. Too funny. Your team will continue to stink for years to come.

Posted by: Shaun | December 8, 2006 10:48 PM | Report abuse

everyone who was jumping for joy or fainting or thought x-mas came early when they MISread what joe said in bos's column should watch and hear what joe has to say about it in his presser on Friday on redskins.com. THEY ARE NOT getting a gm people! it's the same story, same crap over and over.

and wapo staff should be ashamed of themselves for making it seem like joe said something completely new in that "interview" with bos. that "interview" was the same kind of shtuff gibbs pulled after the 6-10 season on tony kornheiser's show and 980 made it seem like it was a real "interview". (credit for pointing that out goes to John Fienstein). and i can't believe wapo let itself get used by gibbs like that.

and et tu jason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

full disclosure: i haven't been listening to talk radio (5 minutes today), following this team (pressers) and so on for a couple of weeks now (due to personal stuff). so i didn't know what was said at the pressers or what's being said on the radio until just two seconds ago before my original post. and i'm so glad whomever it was that asked that question to joe about the gm thingie and bos article. was that you jason or the 980 dude? kudos to whomever it was.

Posted by: dealer | December 8, 2006 10:55 PM | Report abuse

shaun, i couldn't agree with you more! this team will stink stink stink until they get it in their heads that they aint good at picking players and they change their PHILOSOPHY...FA vs. draft...

Posted by: dealer | December 8, 2006 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to get your opinions regarding the offensive line. a lot of people don't like our line, think it has too many flaws and stuff....
I don't buy into that at all...the way i see it is that we have 3 great linemen that we drafted (samuels, jansen, dock) and 2 stud linemen that were free agents (rabach, thomas)....
people don't realize that even linemen go through difficult times when offenses change. even though Gibbs and Saunders learned offense from Coryell, Saunders employs different protection schemes. Our line is made to run north-south, where Al employs that as well as a lot of east-west runs.
Just like we should CP, we should give our O-line another year to become adjusted to the different blocking schemes and whatnot.
If only Campbell was the starter from week 1.....too bad we have nothing to judge this offense on for next year, and it's week 14 already

Posted by: k-man | December 8, 2006 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, so it was you, Bos and Coach Joe in the room, eh?
Joe seemed to backpeddel a bit today - and so it goes - but I also know what Bos wrote and what he told us about his private meeting with Gibbs.
I reported what Gibbs said today, Bos wrote a column based on his lengthy conversation with Gibbs.
Belive what you will.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 8, 2006 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Hope that was really J-La bringing the heat on that one. That was awesome. Kind of like the silverback bounding into the clearing after the young'uns have been hooting and hollering all day.

I just had another shot of kool-aid and am feeling dandy.

The atrocious Brian Baldinger will be providing the color commentary for our tilt with the Iggles. Anyone who will be in attendance who can take out his mic, please do so. Just keep your fingers away from his mouth. Safety first.

I think the emotional roller coaster will continue and we'll find a way to squeak past the Iggles. Sure as hell hope so, anyway, because a loss on our field would be hard to stomach, especially with no McNabb out there. And I've got my fingers crossed for the Saints beating DAL and the Panteras beating NYG, though neither one seems likely. We shall see.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 9, 2006 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Well, we all know Dealer is the expert and knows exactly how to fix the team. If they did get a GM he would complain when that does not work.

Sorry, but I'm just so sick of the negativity and HATE about EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Good. I hope Betts become #1 and we trade Portis for draft picks for the OL.

Posted by: Oliver | December 9, 2006 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Here we go with the Portis trade talks again....heavens!

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2006 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Good. I hope Betts become #1 and we trade Portis for draft picks for the OL.

Oliver put the bottle down. Betts is a good # 2 man but he is no CP. There is no question in my mind that CP would have broken a lot of those runs last week. Can we please stop all the talk about trading CP

Posted by: jm220 | December 9, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Bang on, Lisa. You call them out.

People complain just to complain here it seems. Agreed everyone of us is frustrated over the season (and most of the last 15), but if we all were smarter than Gibbs we'd be coaching the damn team and have 3 Super Bowl rings. Criticism is fair and justified, but let's not get carried away. If Betts had left we'd be complaining we didn't retain him...if he stays it's a waste. Where is the logic in that?

Everyone has valid points, but as Rich posted earlier - we drafted guys who were busts (Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs) and have also drafted solid guys (Cooley, Samuels, The Reaper). Like free agency, its hit and miss. Problem is the ridiculous money we throw around. I agree we definitely need a GM, but remembering some of Charley Casserly's doozy first-round picks (Bobby Wilson anyone? Desmond Howard? Heath Shuler? Michael Westbrook? The entire 1992 draft? Great stuff!) should lend some pause to people about whether it will solve everything.

Food for thought...

Posted by: CTSkinz | December 9, 2006 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I may be way late on this one, but I think the Betts move is a great one. I"m not sold on him as a feature back, but he is absolutely a very good change of pace guy. And the past few weeks he has proven he can rush for 100+, at least behind this line. A very nice move from the FO.

Dealer, you say they aren't any good at picking players, but then you call for a change in philosophy of draft over FA??? That doesn't make sense.

I'm no doom and gloomer-I think this team is a lot closer to being a good team than a bad one next year. And I really hope we can beat the iggles this sunday, I can't stand that team or their freakin fans. httr

Posted by: WrongDog | December 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Betts cap number doesn't appear like it will ever be more than about $2 million per year. And he'll certainly have an increased role in the offense, even when Portis is back healthy. Don't have time to read all the posts (being a brand new father sort of takes up a lot of time!!), but my initial take is this seems like a good move for continuity, and not bad for the salary cap at all. Back to diapers for now....

Posted by: 4-12 | December 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

CTSkinz, that is my point too. The skins have a de facto gm in vinny who has been hit or miss. I"m no Vinny fan, but he has made some good picks, along with some very bad ones...but just calling for a gm really wouldn't change anything. I would love to see Vinny shown the door IF they could find a really great GM, but just hiring someone with the title isn't going to change anything.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 9, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I usually do a lot of reading and little posting on this blog but I have to agree that the negativity is getting out of hand.

I agree that the skins have not performed well this year and that they are much worse defensively than offensively.

Resigning Betts was really a no-brainer. He is a more than competent running back who can catch passes and block. He is well versed in the system - (if what they are running on offense can be called a system after last weeks game). During his time with the skins all he has done is work hard, keep his mouth shut and improve each year. Is he Tomlinson or Alexander? No - but then who is?

As stated on previous threads, there are a lot of teams who do not employ the classic General Manager concept and do very well. There is no guarantee that our FO is any more capable of judging the talent of such a person then they were of judging the talent of some of the recent free agents.

All we can do at this point is wait and see what happens. Nothing is going to change between now and the end of the season. I still hope for the best.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | December 9, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Re-signing Betts was a great move. We've locked in a backup that has proven he can start, knows the offense and has good team chemistry. The CP trade talk is just stupid. Are your memories really that short? The guy is simply money every time he hits the field. I'm not drinking kool aid, I'm being realistic. CP and Betts in the back field are good for the team. We do need to extend Cooley and Taylor, but I think we are on the right track. A couple of linebackers, a fresh OL, a possession W/O (or James Thrash, c'mon, this guy can PLAY!) a safety and a CB and we're there! It should only take about 4 years before we have the draft picks to do that.

Posted by: tampadave | December 9, 2006 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Double G won't even tell Rock why he is not even getting on the field. I am really getting tired of this guy. How is Rock going to know what he needs to improve on if you don't even tell him?

Posted by: jm220 | December 9, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

WrongDog, you're absolutely right. I totally agree.

A GM is no guarantee, just like the draft is no panacea. The biggest problem with the Redskins is that we draft poorly from the 4th round down, and that is where you build the foundation of your team. It's where you get your depth and the guys who supplant those that eventually leave via free agency for more money (see Pittsburgh, New England, Philly). Tom Brady - 6th round. Terrell Davis - 7th round. The list of gems drafted late is endless. It isn't whether you utilize the draft OR free agency (or both), its whether you make a majority of good choices via either avenue. Every team hits and misses, it's just that we seem to miss more often than others and therefore perhaps we need a thorough review of our scouting department. Again, I don't disagree at all with those that say we need a true GM, but what if that GM stinks? Then what do we all complain about?

Bottom line: Betts is a team guy who flies under the radar and wanted to stay - could have easily jumped ship after our miserable season - and he doesn't rip his helmet off and get stupid penalties, or call out coaches or teammates. He plays hard, is a patient and efficient runner who can also catch, and slowly has improved as a pass blocker (no Portis in that regard, but who in the NFL is?). It was a solid re-signing and a statement that perhaps, just perhaps, our management has figured out that you keep the guys that are effective and actually want to stay with the Redskins. For once people, be happy.

Posted by: CTSkinz | December 9, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Betts - 141 carries for 643 yards
(4.6 yards per carry)

Portis - 127 carries for 523 yards and seven touchdowns.

That's 1166 yards in just twelve games. Not too shabby folks.

With Portis not run into the ground this year - well rested for next year - he should do pretty well IMO.

My thinking is that Archibingus will be traded/released next year but he will become one of those players with a chip on his shoulder - then watch out. I hope an NFC east team doesn't pick him up so that he can prove to Gggrrrilliams that it was mistake not to play him. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: charlie | December 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

i think the beginning of this season showed that you shouldn't rely on one running back 100% of the time. one serious injury and the team is screwed in that area. as we have several receivers so should we have several running backs. running backs take a beating as it is. they suffer a lot of physical abuse doing what they do. did you see joe namath's knees when he was on 60 minutes from all his surgeries? and he was a QB!! multiply that tenfold for a running back. money shouldn't be an issue here, really....

Posted by: ducky | December 9, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess my point is that Gibbs made only ONE move - to re-sign Betts. If the Skins had not re-signed Betts now, he would have left as soon as the season was over...like Pierce, Clark, etc. Gibbs had to do it now.

In the WashPo article, Gibbs said that he was "open to changes" - like maybe bringing in a GM. But people if that does happen it will not be before the season ends so Betts had to be signed now. ONE PLAYER. And as many of you have stated a GM does not guarantee success.

The really sad thing about our dismal season is the the Cowboys are doing great...will probably go to the Super Bowl and win the thing. Romo will be "crowned" MVP. It truly sucks....

Posted by: Lisa | December 9, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lisa!

Blasphemy!! We will have none of that talk here. Romo has played half a season. Most new qb's tend to lose in the playoffs. Remember Big Ben won 13 in a row until the first playoff game. Playoffs are not the same as the regular season, it's a different game. Manning/Harrison has never made it to the SB. My prediction is that they won't again this year.

Posted by: charlie | December 9, 2006 2:14 PM | Report abuse

CHARLIE YOU GOOBER,
ROMO -MANIA IS FOR REAL AND LISA IS SMART TO BE CONCEREND ABOUT ROMO ESPECIALLY IF YOU HATE DALLAS!!YOULL LOOK STUPID BUSTING ON A PLAYER AND TEAM(LIKE YOU BLOGGERS DO NOW)WHEN CLEARLY BOTH ARE SUPERIOR!!!GET READY FOR THE BEGINNING OF MANY COWBOY SB RUNS!!CONTENDERS NOT PRETENDERS(LIKE YOUR CLOWN TEAM)HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 9, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, so it was you, Bos and Coach Joe in the room, eh?

jason, you know and i know that gibbs uses the media like none other. and it is my personal opinion(everyone got one baby) that he used wapo in this case. and wapo, just like 980 obliged. just like he used tony after his first offseason. that's all i'm saying. i hope you know what i'm talking about. there was a 1 hour fire chat with TK on 980. i know one thing if you called up junior he'll probly agree with me. also what is wilbon's opinion on this eureka phenomenon (about getting a gm) since he's the one who wrote a damning column about this org and its' structure.

you, bos, gibbs can TALK all you want. but his actions directly contradict the words coming out of his mouth (in print, on camera).

so i guess it wasn't you who asked that(gm) question. it was probly the 980 dude then.
it's good to know that i'm not the only idiot in town.

jason, please don't drink the kool-aid. you were the first ones to ask/criticize about the org structure this season and i can't believe you're believing this BS coming out of joe's mouth. there was nothing in bos article that he hasn't said before...regarding the gm question. did bos leave out some stuff(from the article/column) that he told you? of course like you said i wannt in that room.

would i love to be wrong in this case? F-YEAH! are you kidding me? i'll do and say anything for snyder to hire someone who knows something about NFL talent. but the day after the article comes out he puts a dent on next year's salary cap to sign a friggin BACKUP who's never been healthy for a complete season ever since he's been here?

sorry, but he could've waited to get a more PROFESSIONAL OPINION on this matter. imnsho!

that's all i'm saying.

and i'll even say this if i'm wrong about this, i'll send or buy you and howard 5 brothers gift card (valuing at least a lunch). THAT's how much i want to be wrong about the crap that's coming out of my "mouth".

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

About the whole Betts debate, at least we are overpaying our own guy this time around. For once, being a "Core Redskin" pays off. If they let Betts leave via free agency and go out and pay someone else to obscene sums of money, we'll all be on this blogg moaning and complaining. At least with Betts we know what we are getting.

Posted by: King Kong | December 9, 2006 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, we all know Dealer is the expert and knows exactly how to fix the team.

lisa, yes, i do know how to fix this team. and so do 99.9% of the people on here. and all of nfl. it's really simple. Follow the daggone winning formula. that has worked in the past i don't know...100 years. if it doesn't work it's not the formula it's the ingredients of that formula: owner, coaches, player personnel person, salary dude. you pinpoint the bad ingredients and you replace it with a more competent one.

i'm not saying hiring a gm will solve everything i'm saying that'll be a start. it'll be a change in philosophy. a MUCH NEEDED CHANGE in philosophy.

lisa, the "negativity" isn't our fault. it's the team's fault and joe's fault for putting a shoddy product on the field. hey, i believed the SB hype. i wann being negative after the jax game. but now they deserve everything they get. cuz they suck!

sorry if my "writing" makes you sick. i'm just sick of it too.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, you say they aren't any good at picking players, but then you call for a change in philosophy of draft over FA??? That doesn't make sense.

yes wrongdog, that's exactly what i'm saying.
wow! you got me! i didn't know i was just that stupid.

sorry, couldn't help myself. let's see...here...here's my take...actually why waste time. my take is the same as jason (of this blog's take). we need a new player personnel dude in here who can do well in the draft AND change in philosophy draft over FA. and yes, you're right this is NOT a two step process it must be done together. hire a gm, someone smarter than who they've got and who believes in building thru the draft.

btw, when i say "GM" i mean someone who has NFL level expereince in personnel matters and who will have the power to say no to the coaches. you can call him whatever you like. and btw, joe gibbs has won ZERO superbowls!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as a player personnel person and he should be treated as such.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody crap themselves?

Posted by: Chubacca lunk | December 9, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

okay...now what were we talking about...

ohh yeah...the x-mas tree...

jm, where's the family at? nj or here? btw, it'll be so cool if jane doe pans out.

AND i saw click last night. HOW in the world did adam sandler get KATE BECKINSALE (sp) to do that movie???? dude, no one, and i mean no one steals the scene than ms. beckinsale. not even ms. johanson. she's super duper hot. and a much better actress i thought. and did he(whomever made the movie i'm presuming adam sandler did) steal God Father III scenes and put them in click towards the end? what was that about? even kate's hair and makeup looked so much like that weird, old good looking chic...diane keaton.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody crap themselves?
it sure looks that way donn it?

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

i just farted!

Posted by: Chubacca lunk | December 9, 2006 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nobody,

I wasn't "busting" on Romo at all. But you can't see that in your blind rage.

Posted by: charlie | December 9, 2006 4:11 PM | Report abuse

so, i wonder where Iverson is going to be traded

Posted by: jam | December 9, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ivan Carter's latest Wiz Blog entry is another gem. That blog and this one make for great days. They certainly make following sub-.500 teams a lot more fun.

Posted by: BulletsFan | December 9, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

take your butt out

Posted by: bar hooker | December 9, 2006 7:00 PM | Report abuse

hey there.
Dealer - I guess my point is that, I too, am not saying anything is defnitely GOING to happen with a GM, but Gibbs's conversation with Bos was the first time he ever relented even a little about the sructure of the organization. This has nothing to do with my feelings about how they are mismanaged - I think that's been pretty clear - but rather chronicling news.
As recently as 10-12 days ago Gibbs was asked about the structure of the front offie and continued to say what he has for three years - I like the way we do things, I like the way we are set up, I don't think that's a problem.
With Bos, clearly, he said something different.
Is it all BS rhetoric? Could be.
But for Bos not to write it and get it on the record would be beyond silly. He had to write that column.
As far as being used, the media can certainly go from foe to perceived friend in no time at all - especially in times like this with everyone iN CYA mode - but to compare that column to something TK did on a radio show is, to me, a slap in the face at Bos. Those two forums could not be more different.
And nowhere in my paper has anyone writen, "The Redskins will bring in a GM." Wilbon killed them for the backwards way in which they are set up, and Bos wrote what Gibbs said the next day, where he definitely changed his message.
Was it slight? Yes. But with so much cload and daggar stuff in that organization any chance to document the latest thoughts of these guys must be taken.
I don't think anyone got used on this one either way. And, again, I too am hardly sold they will actually do much beyond what they generally do in March.
Like everyone else here, I'm just giving my opinion on here, and I don't expect everyone to agree with it, but just wanted to make sure it came across in a clear fashion on this one.
cheers.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 9, 2006 8:52 PM | Report abuse

jason, thanks and understood. i'll write more later cuz i've just been summoned to find a plunger.

Posted by: dealer | December 9, 2006 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Just as long as they win the pre-season Super Bowl, they can have a GM or not as far as I care.

I heard they will trade Arch Deluxe for BBM and Marvin Harrison, may have to throw in an order of fries and an mint shake. That's the kind of move they need.

Posted by: cload and daggar | December 9, 2006 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice article JLa. Giving us information that is impossible for us to get without your access is worth while reading.

Posted by: Skinz | December 9, 2006 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Awesome article about Jason Campbell's week of prep. Thanks!

How did you go about researching the story? Did you spend time with Campbell at his home, or did you get the download from him at the Park?

Great stuff, regardless.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 9, 2006 10:54 PM | Report abuse

proposed blaw:

if you are going to suggest for the nth-time that redskins need a gm, you must also suggest a name.

letls not let the frustration get the best of us and let's say no to negativity for negativity's sake . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 10, 2006 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Just got off the drunk bus, gotta get 6 hours of sleep before heading up to the Skins game. Jason, you wrote you guts out on the Campbell article. Quite the mangum opus. See y'all Monday morning.

Posted by: Dorf | December 10, 2006 1:48 AM | Report abuse

dealer:

as much as I hate to say this (again) . . .

dallas won three SB's, yes 3 SB's, and may very well win a 4th w/no gm in sight. let it go and just pay up to JlaC and HB. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 10, 2006 1:51 AM | Report abuse

JLaC,
Great article! I never knew there was that much faxing and whatnot going on in the average QB's week.

What if somebody's bugging the Skins' fax? Has anyone considered that?!

When's JLaC gonna marry a cheerleader (I mean, sleep with a cheerleader, get her fired, and then marry her) a la Rypien?

Also, everyone should read the article on the milk industry. Holy Hannah! What ever happened to the free market in this country?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 10, 2006 4:36 AM | Report abuse

Dealer all my family lives in DC.

JLC brohter everytime I think you wrote your best stuff. You prove me wrong. Great write up today.

Good to know that Coach Joe is going to give the kid a chance. I just hope he doesn't do a Ramsey again.

Posted by: jm220 | December 10, 2006 8:20 AM | Report abuse

ROMO-MANIA

Posted by: Anonymous | December 10, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 10, 2006 9:11 AM | Report abuse

hey ya'll, thanks for the kind words on the Campbell story.
Bascially I pitched it to him on Monday morning and asjed if he could keep a mental journal for me. I spent a considerable portion of time with him away from Redskins Park on Tuesday, and we spoke at the end of each day to go through the day. Also interviewed Saunders, Gibbs and Lazor throughout the week, and spoke with Jason's parents and cousin at his house on Tuesday.

I'm down with that blaw about suggestion GMs. I've been putting together my offseason call list and figured I'd better be as thorough as possible, so keep the suggestions coming on the off chance they actually do restructure the franchise.
Cheers.

Dealer - how did it go with the plunger? I hate getting that call. Hope it was not as bad as those situations can be, I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 10, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Game time! The first ever 8-8 division champs take the field in just a few moments!

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 10, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

jason, i'm not going to say anything more other than your comment(second to last) made total sense. and i feel naive and stupid for being mad at you for doing your job.

re. the plunger situmation: well, we had one BR working. no mess. thank god! couldn't find the plunger but the others started to work after flushing continously.

i think every toilet should come with a plunger attached.

about the GM blaw. you know i'm not going to say anything about that cuz i don't know the names of any GM's except Scott pioli and Rich Mckay. and i know for sure that they're not going to be available so i'll just listen to you guys.

Posted by: dealer | December 10, 2006 3:22 PM | Report abuse

please someone tell those dumb asses from channel 5 to stop sayin were not mathematically out! please!!!! stop the non sense!

Posted by: yo mama | December 10, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

gibbs says they fought theyre guts out for 60 min :D

Posted by: yo mama | December 10, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

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