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Betts has ligament tear, Rinehart broken fibula (updated)

Ladell Betts has a torn MCL and Chad Rinehart has a broken fibula, according to Coach Jim Zorn. Betts will have an MRI tomorrow.

"It is bleak," Zorn said. "Being 3-7 is bleak." Said secondary coach Jerry Gray: "I think if you hold any team in the NFL to seven, you should win the game."

Zorn added that Clinton Portis will be out next week, although he's not yet a candidate for the injured-reserve list, Rick Maese reported via Twitter. Offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said that the team will need to pick up a running back for next week and he mentioned Marcus Mason as a possibility. He's available and familiar with the Redskins' offense.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 22, 2009; 4:26 PM ET
 
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Disappointing game all around except for Landry and Cartwright.

I think this may be Landry's coming about game. When i saw him scare the daylights out of Williams about three times I immediately thought of Sean Taylor.

Posted by: mardiros | November 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 22, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How do you spell IR?

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

take the headset away from Zorn. Only way to stop him from interferring in the playcalling.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed that the team lost, but I'm happy with the team effort. Missed interceptions, missed field goals, poor clock management, and untimely injuries were all a part of the lose. However, if the teams continues to fight, I won't be mad at them.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

A loss like this is going to set the tone for the rest of the season. We're going to get destroyed for the remaining 6 games.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The injury argument goes out the window when you get to the fourth quarter and have an opportunity to win a football game. Yeah pride and heart. But nothing to show for it. You can't give away games, regardless of who's playing. Coaches had a terrible day and team followed suit.

Posted by: CDon | November 22, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Players go down all the time, and backups are expected to step up. The backups could be better then some of the starters because we all know Zorn can't evaluate talent worth a damn. They had plenty of chances to win and just blew it, it wouldn't of mattered if all the starters were in there or not. Bottom line: coaches don't have any confidence in the offense and it showed.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Please stop the Tuesday, Wednesday Soup excuses, just stop. 5-13 in the last 18. The Soup lovers bet on the wrong horse and care more about their love affair than the team playing the best players to win. The most important abilities of an NFL QB are reading all progressions per play and throwing to the open man on time which this #17 has never consistently done in 8 years. Shameful waste of many DC seasons. And the only QB on the roster to get this team to the playoffs wastes away... Ageists.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone watching Doc Walker rant in the postgame?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 22, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Come on WaPo, what's your deal w/zorn. Why is his name not on this poll.

Coaching lost this game, and to be specific, offensive coaches lost this game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

eh, agree to disagree, with the level of injuries that they've had, sure this game was winnable, but the injuries have been devastating....I'm curious as to how many games have been lost by their injured compared to the rest of the league......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

need to get Mason back and see if he is worth a better look that F'n Zorn gave him, I think he is !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

True REALNESS1
Best QB sits on the bench because JC has the larger Contract..not the skills. JC threw that last INT into triple coverage when he should of been protecting the ball while in the Cowboys territory with a one TD Lead.
Thats QB game management 101..
And JC also wastes another top ranked Defense for the 3rd year in a row.
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Shameful waste of many DC seasons. And the only QB on the roster to get this team to the playoffs wastes away... Ageists.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 4:38 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

need to get Mason back and see if he is worth a better look that F'n Zorn gave him, I think he is !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 22, 2009 4:42 PM

That's a good one. ROFLMAO. He's probably worth a better look than Baltimore and the Jets gave him, too. This is the one guy who could turn our season around.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on WaPo, what's your deal w/zorn. Why is his name not on this poll.

Coaching lost this game, and to be specific, offensive coaches lost this game.

Posted by: Curzon417


WTF are you smoking Curzon?

The job of a QB is to get his team into the endzone, period. JC didn't do that and, unfortunately, Romo did. JC missed wide open receivers all day and showed the inaccuracy on many throws with just enough good ones to give you hope yet again. He is what he is, mediocre.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

gotta throw the ball more to the kids..MK/DT/FD, need the ball their way 15 times a game combined....thought that landry started to finally play well, defense was really missing AH....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on WaPo, what's your deal w/zorn. Why is his name not on this poll.

Coaching lost this game, and to be specific, offensive coaches lost this game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I know right? Its like Zorn & Co. are invisible in this loss.

Beantown: Even with the injuries, the Skins were in a position to win this game outright. The abysmal conservo coaching didn't give them a chance for that to happen. Everybody up here could see what was coming by allowing Dallas to still be in the game. Why couldn't the coaches? Sherm Lewis really disappointed me today and Zorn needs to watch the game next to me on Sundays. And during every commercial break, I'll splash my delicious beverage in his face.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 22, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The WAPO likes Zorn because he gives them Access and Interviews... If he behaved like Belichick, WAPO writers would be toasting him. Too bad he cant coach like Belichick..
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Come on WaPo, what's your deal w/zorn. Why is his name not on this poll.

Coaching lost this game, and to be specific, offensive coaches lost this game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 4:40 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

and kudos to Rock as well. he played as well as could have been expected

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

LS, Zorn LOST the game. Agree to disagree or not, but no way you hang this on Suisham.

Zorn froze him with his moronic "coaching" performance at the end of the first half. How do you NOT take a shot with 15 seconds left???? Yer 3-6 on the road and can SIEZE THE DAY. Instead you F around and let your kicker stand out there for 5 minutes. That alone was reason to run a play and then run him back out there on 4th. Shotgun, throw it away ASAP if you get pressure or its not there. MK12, DT11, FD86 all in the end zone. Leave Rock in to p/u the first guy through.

He wasted a TO when Campbell had the ball ready to snap ON FIRST DOWN. Hes gotta STFU and let the play go. STUPID!

He played over conservative, calling a draw!!!!! on the 3rd and 2 right before Suisham's second miss from what was it 50+? A draw has the same risk as a pass... lose yards...and the boys had been gap blitzing all that series. IT WAS JUST STUPID. And i don't for a minute think SLewis or SSmith called that play. Run a damn roll out to Davis on an out, or a straight run at least.

And we all saw again how much that TO would have been nice to have a the end of the game.

This team deserves better coaching and game management than they are getting.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

all you calling on Zorns' head? I thought he had been reduced to calling..er..oh, that's right nothing! Call on one of the half dozen Smiths' if you want to call out a coach.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I just love Papa Johns extra large crust pizza with extra crust! I'm getting one tomorrow.

Posted by: smittdiddy | November 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You guys are freaking hilarious. We had little to no pass protection all day, 2 missed field goals, and only 78 yards on the ground and you guys are still blaming JC? I guess me and Troy Aikmen were watching a different game then.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 22, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It is time to blow this thing up.
1. Fire Vinny today. He has brought in terrible talent.
2. Bring in a President who will make every decision.
3. Have the President hire the General Manager.
4. Have the President and the General Manager bring in the head coach.
5. Stop signing players to guaranteed contracts.
6. Don't buy another thing that helps the Redskins until there is a big change. This is not working.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | November 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

You know this is the typical BS. You can never blame one person or unit for any loss. Sure it's easy to point out Suisham for the two misses, Campbell for the INT, and the defense for the last score but what about the two dropped INTs early in the game, what about the poor blocking at key times, etc. You win as a team and you lose as a team. If Suisham had hit the 50yd FG and the Redskins has won would he be lauded as the only reason they won?

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Any realists out there know how the Skins stand in 2010 Draft??
With the Skins luck they'll draft Tebow and he'll convert to Mormonism and go to Africa for a 2 year Mission.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Teams withput a clue,under siege get injured- vicyory has always been momentum based..BE THE DISHER OF PAIN, NOT THE DISHEE..At what point does "The Anti-Peyton" Campbell start to throw tochdown passes???>>I think he played a decent ball control game. as he has been programmed to do from the getjump, but ball control offense implies that there is a point scoring offense somewhere , which does not exist on the Skins..Maybe Snydley/Cerrotten have a "Long Range Plan" they are secretly working on , but Dudley Do-Right seriously doubts it..

Posted by: frak | November 22, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

PA

you think JC is above average? We'd have won the game by halftime if that were only true. Keep drinking the kool-aid, it will soothe you........Yes, Suishan finbally missed two field goals, but JC didn't get them in the endzone. This is a results oriented business, not stats, unless of course you all are playing FF.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 I'm with as well. JC wasn't perfect particularly on the last offensive play, but wasn't bad today. He outplayed Romo, he lead the team on 4 scoring drives (4 missed field goals), he was very good on 3rd downs. It is what it is, some people aren't objective.

On another note, was JZ more involved in the red zone play calls today. It seemed to me that he was doing a lot more coaching once the team got into scoring range. IF that is the case, someone needs to step to Zorn and tell him to shut the F up.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The job of a QB is to get his team into the endzone, period. JC didn't do that and, unfortunately, Romo did. JC missed wide open receivers all day and showed the inaccuracy on many throws with just enough good ones to give you hope yet again. He is what he is, mediocre.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 4:45 PM

JC did little to win this game, made some mistakes, but he also made a few plays.

The problem is the play calling in crucial parts of this game, the end of the first half, before the second missed field goal, the TO that zorn ran out on the field to call so that he could get his face time.

The coaches play calling let this team down. Straight up told them- we have no confidence in you.

F zorn, then fire his azz!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Man. What a punch in the gut that was. With a win, I really thought we'd be propelled to beat Philly next week as well and come into our next home game with a chance to get back to .500, and keep playing above our heads.

I'm still in shock that Suisham missed two kicks in one game. The guy had been the only thing consistent about our offense all year, but kickers rarely finish perfect for the year, so I guess he was due. Not mad at him, though. Disappointed for him, because he must feel like absolute dirt right now.

I'm really not angry about the loss. Not at the team, anyway. Our offense has been decimated by injuries, so expectations about what they can reasonably produce have to be realistic.

I'm with TWISI's comment above -- they fought hard with what they had and came up short. I was into this game from the very start, which is something that hasn't happened much this year. I don't think I sat down until Campbell's pass got tipped at the end. I spent the rest of the game pacing my living room, cheering, clapping. They gave me something to cheer for. Torn up as they are, at least on offense, that's all I can really ask of them at this point, and they gave it.

The defense was great. Yes, they gave up a TD at the end, but they still did about all you could ask of them. And I don't know if anyone noticed, but there was a huge clip in the middle of the field on the TD play, which wasn't called.

The poll on who's to blame is bogus, because it doesn't have Snyderatto as one of the options. The personnel available are not the fault of the available personnel. You want to pin this loss on someone, pin it on the front office. We may have beaten the Broncos last week and felt like all was not necessarily lost, but this team's deficiencies are still what they were two weeks ago, and the same party is still culpable.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 22, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

lifelong,

of course you are right, but there are some consistent issues at QB and the O-line to me. I'd like to know how JC compares with the other starting QB's in terms of balls batted away at the line of scrimmage. He seems to throw those far too often, but it may just be me watching him much more than the others..... He never seems too upset, just claps his hands as if to say, "Aw shucks!"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

On another note, was JZ more involved in the red zone play calls today. It seemed to me that he was doing a lot more coaching once the team got into scoring range. IF that is the case, someone needs to step to Zorn and tell him to shut the F up.
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He must not have done much calling because they only got into the Redzone once for a play or two.

Posted by: lifelongfan | November 22, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm already calling upset over the Saints in 2 weeks.You heard it hear first.

Posted by: smittdiddy | November 22, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has been going for it on 4th and short all season with the same BS stretch run play.
He was wired for sound during the Tampa game and called it "our best running play".

So somebody explain why he doesn't have the nutz to run ONE frickin' play on a 3rd and long from the DALLAS 21 with 15 ticks left in the 2nd QTR?!?

Suppose Soup throws an out route for 7/8 more yards then Suisham might make the field goal.

Ifs and buts to be sure but why is JZ suddenly getting passive with the season on the line?

Posted by: elfreako | November 22, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams is now 10-0.
Snyder put him through 4 days of interviews and then dumped him....

he who laughs last..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

So why can't our QB go 7-7 for a TD inside 5:00 left in the 4th quarter to lead his team to the winning TD? Why does that never happen for us?

Hmmmmm....

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

JC said he wanted to take a shot to the end w/ 15 seconds before half time, but was over-ruled. JZ is such a punk.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ifs and buts to be sure but why is JZ suddenly getting passive with the season on the line?

Posted by: elfreako


OK, ok I give! Who is calling the plays now? I thought Zorn had been stripped of those duties a few weeks ago? I admit I've been somewhat absent, but why all the hating on Zorn?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So somebody explain why he doesn't have the nutz to run ONE frickin' play on a 3rd and long from the DALLAS 21 with 15 ticks left in the 2nd QTR?!?

Posted by: elfreako | November 22, 2009 5:03 PM

That seems like a lollipop. He didn't throw a pass because JC would get sacked and there would be no FG attempt. We were in good range and Suisham should have made it. Further, if he had thrown a pass it wouldn't have been complete, anyway.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

He outplayed Romo

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 4:55 PM |
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No he didn't.

Romo threw a TD that won the game. Campbell didn't.

Campbell threw 0 TDs and an INT on the would-be-game-winning-drive.

Rookie Matthew Stafford conjured up a game-winning drive today.

JC? Never.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

gotta throw the ball more to the kids..MK/DT/FD, need the ball their way 15 times a game combined....thought that landry started to finally play well, defense was really missing AH....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Yeah, well they kind of need to get open for that. It may be a function of his bad knees, but Grandma Og makes sharper cuts on her way to the corner grocery than Kelly does on his routes.

These are not really elusive receivers, tho Davis has improved.

Posted by: TheCork | November 22, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

oh well.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 22, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

1965,
JC plays like he knows he gets paid regardless if he wins or loses.. Shows no fire or emotion. Same way he responded when he heard they were trying to trade him..
yawn..
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I'd like to know how JC compares with the other starting QB's in terms of balls batted away at the line of scrimmage. He seems to throw those far too often, but it may just be me watching him much more than the others..... He never seems too upset, just claps his hands as if to say, "Aw shucks!"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:00 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

OK, ok I give! Who is calling the plays now? I thought Zorn had been stripped of those duties a few weeks ago? I admit I've been somewhat absent, but why all the hating on Zorn?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:06 PM |

Because he is an arrogant punk who has said many times that he still is involved in play calling in the redzone and when to go for it on 4th down or to kick a field goal on 3rd down with 15 seconds on the clock.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So why can't our QB go 7-7 for a TD inside 5:00 left in the 4th quarter to lead his team to the winning TD? Why does that never happen for us?

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM

I'm wondering the same thing about our FG kicker.

But, he can't go 7 for 7 when they're calling draw plays with the game on the line, can he? He made some pretty good completions today.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I saw again today that there is nothing wrong with Sleepy, MK or DT. They CAN make plays.

Too bad having a terible play-caller, conservative head coach (at 3-6!) and a never-comes-through-when-it-counts QB keeps them from being the kind of game-changing weapons they CAN be.

Oh, well. Perhaps next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So why can't our QB go 7-7 for a TD inside 5:00 left in the 4th quarter to lead his team to the winning TD? Why does that never happen for us?

Hmmmmm....

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM


Because DC's QB can't read a D. He's a hair clog on O and a coach fire - er. 5-13 in his last 18 starts. The excuses around him change game by game, but he doesn't.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If JC's 11 for 11 on 3rd, why the hell do you call a draw on that 3rd and 2? Especially when it wasn't exactly a gimmie for the FG. Earlier, it was 3rd and short and they passed the ball for a 1st down. I could understand doing a draw on 3rd & 16 while in FG range in the first half, but that specific one was plain stupid. Get rid of Zorn and Lewis, who gives a crap. And to reiterate: the Defense always plays well until it COUNTS. I don't blame the loss on the D, but come on, to say they played great? I think not. Romo had all day and Barber and Co were ripping them all game for chunks.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 22, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 your posts are not very insightful, Romo threw three balls that should have been interceptions if not for our stone handed defensive players. Romo sucked on third down passes all game expect for the last drive. But you are entitled to your opinion albeit a wrong one.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S TO BLAME?

With that oline that finished the game, you wanted a wide open offense, people?

The Strategery was fort he offense not to lose the game and he D to win it. So////

This week the blame goes to Suisham. Had he kicked all four, Skins would have been up 12-0 and Dallas would have pamnicked.

But, if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else.

Posted by: TheCork | November 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S TO BLAME?

With that oline that finished the game, you wanted a wide open offense, people?

The Strategery was fort he offense not to lose the game and he D to win it. So////

This week the blame goes to Suisham. Had he kicked all four, Skins would have been up 12-0 and Dallas would have pamnicked.

But, if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else.

Posted by: TheCork | November 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

as for our Field goal kicker, ever heard of "regression to the mean?"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The excuses around him change game by game, but he doesn't.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM |
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Well said.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Skins are on target for the 5th or 6th pick. Vinny cant screw that up, can he??..

He can just look at Mel Kiper's board and pick what Mel says the Skins should pick.. (we hope).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

this game is 100% on the offensive coaches. to not attempt a deep pass with 15 seconds left is absolutely stupid. also, when the offense can consistently get 5-6 yards, why not MOVE THE CHAINS?!?! it's just ridiculous how the coaches can call plays for 10-15 drives against a VERY MEDIOCRE defense and not get this offense in position to score more than TWO FIELD GOALS.

Greg Blache could call a better offense than Zorn/Bingo/Smith.

Posted by: kman2 | November 22, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

They played hard, they fought, and they did enough to win an ugly game which is all anybody could have asked for with this personnel. They were still poor in the red zone and the kicker cost them the game. Even with the false starts and missed opportunities if Suisham just makes one of those we win. Great effort without Haynesworth, Smoot was balling today, Orakpo and Carter still looked good even without Albert. Zorn still sucks at clock management and just flat out wastes timeouts but all in all, I think it shows how we're not that far away. If we can get a good coach, and get a personnel guy that will finally commit to getting us a real Oline we can be right there. I'm even coming around to the JC might be best for next year. I still don't think he'll ever get it done, but there's no impending FA I want over him and I'd rather use draft picks on lineman and a RB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 22, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 your posts are not very insightful, Romo threw three balls that should have been interceptions if not for our stone handed defensive players. Romo sucked on third down passes all game expect for the last drive. But you are entitled to your opinion albeit a wrong one.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:12 PM |
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An opinion?

You stated flat-out that Campbell outplayed Romo.

He didn't. Romo threw a TD. Campbell didn't. Instead he threw an INT.

If he had thrown a TD today, we're not having this exchange.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Again,

a QB's primary job is to get his team into the endzone, all other stats are distant secondary considerations.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Skins are on target for the 5th or 6th pick. Vinny cant screw that up, can he??..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:14 PM

Hey, if he can get Orakpo with the 13th, then he ought to be able to get two Orakpos with the 5th or 6th. Not that we need two more Orakpos, but you get my meaning right? At least we won't have Gibbs here taking Carlos Rogers, Laron Landry, or Jason Campbell.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Curley, Larry & Moe are responsible for the state of this team. (Snyder, Cerrato, and Campbell). NOTHING will change unless danny boy leaves.

Posted by: bundy44 | November 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

An opinion?

You stated flat-out that Campbell outplayed Romo.

He didn't. Romo threw a TD. Campbell didn't. Instead he threw an INT.

If he had thrown a TD today, we're not having this exchange.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:16 PM

So if the skins won 12 to7 would your position be the same?

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Like JGray said, "if you keep a team to 7 points, you should win the game", or

Thanks offense for not holding up your end. Again.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

JC never audibles at the line... Or, maybe he has been told not to???
Conversely, Collins can and does and did during the playoff run in 2007.
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Because DC's QB can't read a D. He's a hair clog on O and a coach fire - er. 5-13 in his last 18 starts. The excuses around him change game by game, but he doesn't.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:11 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Skins are on target for the 5th or 6th pick. Vinny cant screw that up, can he??..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:14 PM

Hopefully they'll be able to trade back from this pick either in the 1st round or second round.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

He had no touchdowns
He had no touchdowns
He had no touchdowns
He had no touchdowns

How many more times does Jason Reid have to write this before somebody figures it out?

He had no touchdowns. Period. End of game.

Posted by: SonofNero | November 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

So if the skins won 12 to7 would your position be the same?

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:20 PM |
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They didn't.

You don't win in this league by not getting into the end zone.

Is your last name Campbell?

Admit it, along with the terrible coaching/play-calling, the Skins have a below-average, never-comes-through-when-it-counts QB.

As for you, you're someone who never gets tired of finding excuses for him.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

as for our Field goal kicker, ever heard of "regression to the mean?"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan |


Heard of it? Who the hell do you think came up with it?

Posted by: TheCork | November 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

nothing about Campbell's career gave me confidence that he was going to drive the offense down the field to win

nothing about zorn give me confidence about anything

Posted by: coparker5 | November 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

vs KC
@ Carolina
@ Dallas

that's 3 games right there where we've outplayed our opponent, but choke during crunch time.

Redskins are like guys trying to get chicks that are out of their league. they can talk the talk with the best of them, but when it comes down to closing the deal, they fold like a chair.

Posted by: kman2 | November 22, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 you didn't answer my question

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Again,

a QB's primary job is to get his team into the endzone, all other stats are distant secondary considerations.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | November 22, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Not quite, a QB's job is to complete passes. JC does that. JC completed more of his passes and threw for 100 more yards than Romo today. Romo should have thrown 2 more picks. I'm tired of arguing this so from now on I'm just going to call you stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Romo made winning plays today and did win. Soup did the opposite. "let's keep Soup for another season or more", means, " lets go 4-12 in our next 16 w/ an illiterate; make that 8-24 if we sign him to a lowball 2 year contract". Say that out loud and hang your head in shame. Meanwhile, the only QB on the roster to lead the team to the playoffs wastes away... ageists.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Why would any Skins fan want this team to win another game this year? If they manage to get close to 500, than the management will think things are ok and just need another piece or two. They need to lose out so they get a better draft pick and so Vinny gets fired and they blow up the team. Losing is great right now, winning is bad.

Posted by: eleysium | November 22, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

3-7 means its time to play the rookies and play the backups. Get them real time NFL experience. And see what they can do at regular season game speed not preseason speed.
Its exactly what the Cowboys did in Jimmy Johnson's first year when they were 1-15. Cowboys got 8 "preseason type" games toward the end of that season and came back the next year with well vetted personnel and eventually won it all 2 years later.

Nothing to lose and much to gain with this strategy given the Skins are close to being mathematically out of it, at 3-7.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

SkinsGM, remember early on in '09 Soup audibled to a run on 3rd and 8 after a TO? Coach killer.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Here's another critique of Campbell. On that last play, JC was more intent on throwing ACROSS HIS BODY INTO TRIPLE COVERAGE TO MOSS instead of running himself to the left for a few yards and another chance.
Jason REPEATEDLY handicaps this team by not playing smart. Take the throw-away before halftime as an example. He should have thrown the ball away IMMEDIATELY AFTER leaving the pocket instead of being chased down by 3 guys. Instead, Jason thinks he can be SUPERMAN when he most clearly is NOT.

FACTS:
1. Line played well enough to win.
2. WRs played well enough to win.
3. RB played well enough to win.
4. QB played well enough to win.

This tells us that independently, each unit does enough, but collectively, this offense does not work cohesively. In my eyes, that responsibility belongs to the Quarterback.

Posted by: kman2 | November 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

JC is not allowed to audible at the line. Yet another reason to can Zorn's LAME AZZ.

JC should have beeyothc slapped zorn for a) calling the TO on 1st and 10, and b) yelling at Campbell when came to the sideline.

And why is JC having to point to his wrist band about the play call?? Zorn would rather call a timeout and yell at his QB instead of let the QB run the play that Zorn didn't call.

Just fire his dumb as already Danny!!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan - you're just wrong.

QB's job is to complete passes? That's it? Seriously? Idiot.

His job is to WIN THE FRIGGEN GAME! A QB's job is to elevate HIS game when the game's on the line and lead the team to victory. I feel it's necessary to point this out because:

1. You obviously don't know this

and

2. We haven't seen our QB do this in so long that maybe you forgot.

Every game is different, but the thread remains the same. JC 17 can't get it done when we need it most.

Good bye.

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Name one NFL coach that calls a field goal on third down w/15 seconds left on the clock in the first half?

You know I mean other than zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

so damn sad that if Suisham makes EITHER of those field goals, we're talking about how we're only 2 games out of the division lead and the season is BACK ON. goddamnit.

Posted by: kman2 | November 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

To Quote Payton Manning..."Our Idiot Kicker"

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Look at the bright side. We're moving up the board towards the #1 draft pick.

Posted by: bones21 | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Not quite, a QB's job is to complete passes. JC does that. JC completed more of his passes and threw for 100 more yards than Romo today. Romo should have thrown 2 more picks. I'm tired of arguing this so from now on I'm just going to call you stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 22, 2009 5:28 PM |
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You're the one who is stupid if you actually believe a QBs primary responsibility is not leading his team to scoring TDs, but only completing passes.

You're a Campbell sac-sucker; there are three or four of you on this board. They aren't Redskins fans, they don't care about the TEAM, they care about ONE PLAYER.

Do everyone a favor and go suck him off in private.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

So f-ing tired of the Redskins. I just want this crap out of my life. Back to not watching.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Name one NFL coach that calls a field goal on third down w/15 seconds left on the clock in the first half?

You know I mean other than zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:40 PM

Do you hear the reasoning behind kicking the field goal. Zorn was concerned that if they didn'thave a player open in the endzone they'd have to dump the ball off and that player may not have gotten out of bounds to stop the clock.

How about instructing JC to throw the ball away if nothing was opent?

How about running a play where the check down is near the sidelines?

How about coaching with a little aggression?

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

glad I didnt waste 300+ dollars on NFL Ticket this year. Also, means Snyder didnt get his measely percentage (cut) from my subscription.
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So f-ing tired of the Redskins. I just want this crap out of my life. Back to not watching.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"WHO'S TO BLAME?"

This is what Comcast should rename the post game show.

Posted by: mack1 | November 22, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

3-7 means its time to play the rookies and play the backups. Get them real time NFL experience. And see what they can do at regular season game speed not preseason speed.
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At this point, given the current injuries, that seems to be what has to happen. Frankly, if I were Zorn, Cerrato, and Snyder, I would do that. I would also make a spreadsheet identifying each of the 53 men on the roster, their salaries, whether they are performing up to their salary, and then have one final column determining their status (definitely keep, cut, not sure). I would eliminate everyone in the "cut" category and then determine who wants to stay and who just wants to collect a paycheck.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You're a Campbell sac-sucker; there are three or four of you on this board. They aren't Redskins fans, they don't care about the TEAM, they care about ONE PLAYER.

Do everyone a favor and go suck him off in private.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:41 PM

I hope you're talking about me because I do care about this team. I called it like I've seen it, when JC has had bad games. It doesn't matter to me either way if he's the starting QB or not. Unlike you, I know it's not just switch the QB and playoffs here we come. I have no agenda of gettingg JC out of here.

I do find interesting though that you're blinded by your resentment for JC to even admit when he played well enough for the team to win. As if JC F'd your wife or husband (can't tell). People can have varying degrees of opinions opposing yours w/o you heaving to revert to your prepubescent comments.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Not quite, a QB's job is to complete passes. JC does that. JC completed more of his passes and threw for 100 more yards than Romo today.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 22, 2009 5:28 PM

Tell me that's joke, right? Earth to PAskinsfan17 , those stats are totally meaningless. Romo WON the frik'n game -- Campbell LOST.


Posted by: bones21 | November 22, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Name one NFL coach that calls a field goal on third down w/15 seconds left on the clock in the first half?

You know I mean other than zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:40 PM

Any other NFL coach who has offensive talent of the caliber that the 'Skins were fielding today.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Name one NFL coach that calls a field goal on third down w/15 seconds left on the clock in the first half?

You know I mean other than zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 5:40 PM |

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXTvv4mjur0

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Not quite, a QB's job is to complete passes. JC does that. JC completed more of his passes and threw for 100 more yards than Romo today. Romo should have thrown 2 more picks. I'm tired of arguing this so from now on I'm just going to call you stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 22, 2009 5:28 PM

Dude, Your argument is weak. JC had a chance to win the game @ the end and once again didn't. He didn't outplay Romo, You play to win the game. JC hung in the pocket and played better than usual but is still too inaccurate and is woefully average.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXTvv4mjur0

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:51 PM |

That's a good one.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I do find interesting though that you're blinded by your resentment for JC to even admit when he played well enough for the team to win. As if JC F'd your wife or husband (can't tell). People can have varying degrees of opinions opposing yours w/o you heaving to revert to your prepubescent comments.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM |
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You're a Campbell APOLOGIST, and everyone on this board KNOWS it.

I backed the guy from draft day UNTIl this season. I know that Zorn is a problem, the timid play-calling is a problem, and the patchwork O-line is a problem.

NONE of that absolves Campbell from being a below-average QB who never-comes-through-when-it-counts. Got it?

You want to dispute that? Go right ahead and reel off all those wonderful "stats" that you think make Jason Campbell a good QB for this TEAM going forward.

Otherwise, get your lips back on his sac where they belong.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Let me be clear: JC is not necessarily the answer, but i really don't think he was the problem today. Even if he is the problem, Zorn should be making him better.

Without question though, Zorn makes Campbell worse. He's got him tighter than a piano wire, and refuses to let him call audibles. He has ensured him that he won't be pulled for checking down, but will be screamed at and or pulled for trying to make a gunslinger play on occasion.

It seems to me that JC has been told that on any given pass play, there is ONE and only ONE primary option. IF that is not there, hit the check down.

It also seems to me that QBs like Favre, Manning, Brees, and Brady KNOW where all the routes are, and then throw to any of 3-4 receivers on any play once it develops.

If JC were to do this, JZ immediately questions him as to why he didn't hit the receiver the "play was designed to go to". So JC doesn't have 3-4 options on a play, he has 2 regardless if 4 guys are in the pattern.

After every series JC is under siege from Zorn running over and getting in his face. I'm tired of it, and I don't even watch all the games. It must absolutely suck for JC to have to constantly battle against the opposing team while under a heavy rush AND his own GD coach on the sideline.

The line sucks, but Zorn is the major, major problem on this team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

And PS, TWISI, along with your tired EXCUSES for Campbell, you've already used the equally tired "Did JC f'k your g/f/wife" line on a dozen other posters over the last few months.

Then you whine about "pre-pubescent comments."

You're so far from reality re Campbell's abilities (lack thereof) that you can't do anything BUT repeat the same old useless phrases.

Now go wipe that Campbell spooge off your face, you candy-azzed whiner.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise, get your lips back on his sac where they belong.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:54 PM |

You have a real interest in the male genital there tooty. I'm not an apologists. Everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view isn't. I think in general recent history suggest that you build the offense first, then draft a QB and hopes he can lead the team for the next ten years. That's what I'd like to happen this offseason. If it doesn't so what, I'll fall in line and cheer the team on. Unlike you, I have no agenda,but what;'s best for the team, and an opinion I can express w/o having to try to be dismissive to others.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

At this point, given the current injuries, that seems to be what has to happen. Frankly, if I were Zorn, Cerrato, and Snyder, I would do that. I would also make a spreadsheet identifying each of the 53 men on the roster, their salaries, whether they are performing up to their salary, and then have one final column determining their status (definitely keep, cut, not sure). I would eliminate everyone in the "cut" category and then determine who wants to stay and who just wants to collect a paycheck.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM
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Also in this process can it be vetted where the real attitude problem is? Who plants this negative "non-leadership" seed"

Throughout this year, many national media analysts (Ron Jaworski, most recently) that have visited Redskins Park during Practice, have remarked on seeing a discernable lack of spirit and "fire" on the team.. Practice and Gameday.

Is it the "practice skipping" Clinton Portis's or the laid back "Jason Campbells" who seem to be just picking up checks and not getting angry or fired up on the sidelines? Is that attitude infecting all the players?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXTvv4mjur0

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 5:51 PM |

That's a good one.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:53 PM


Courtesy of Lane Kiffin when faced w/ the choice of scoring with J. Russell or Janikowski at the end of the half. Just win baby.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

oh well.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 22, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Did JC f'k your g/f/wife" line on a dozen other posters over the last few months.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:59 PM


If you can show me those posts, I like to see it. I'm hardly anything like you when posting.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Who's most to blame for the loss?"




The cowboys are a younger and healthier team.

They were supposed to win.

They just barely did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

That is spot on SkinsfaninKaneohe. JC has regressed because of zorn, as has the offense. You could see some change when Lewis started calling the plays, but it looks to me like zorn is getting more involved every game.

He should be told in no uncertain terms that he is to have nothing to do with any part of calling the games. If he wants to quit, then quit.

I for one am tired of seeing the dumb look on his face on game days. Or any other day for that matter.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Unlike you, I have no agenda,but what;'s best for the team, and an opinion I can express w/o having to try to be dismissive to others.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:00 PM |
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Super. Then if you have no agenda, I won't be seeing any further excuse-making for Campbell from you.

Right?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Now go wipe that Campbell spooge off your face, you candy-azzed whiner.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 5:59 PM |

LOL...Wow are you serious. How old are you?

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

can we please make doc walker the gm?!?!?

Posted by: lhankins8 | November 22, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Super. Then if you have no agenda, I won't be seeing any further excuse-making for Campbell from you.

Right?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:02 PM |

I haven't made any excuses. I thought JC played better than Romo today. You didn't. Hence your juvenile rant.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams is now 10-0.
Snyder put him through 4 days of interviews and then dumped him....

he who laughs last..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM |

No that would be totally wrong, there head coach is 10-0 thanks to a great offense led by a great QB. The defense is OK but not better then our current defense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If I had to lay the blame on anyone, it would be Zorn. No way do you not take a shot at the end zone there at the end of the first half. Also no way do you leave your kicker on the field for an eternity and then expect him to make a kick that is at the end of his range.

ZORN ICED HIS KICKER!!!!! Way to go Einstein!!!

Posted by: gringoinmiami | November 22, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I do find interesting though that you're blinded by your resentment for JC to even admit when he played well enough for the team to win.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM |
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No, he doidn't play weell enough to win, idiot.

This is why you're ridiculed and mocked, for posts like these.

He threw 0 TDs, and 1 INT (into triple coverage) on the would-be-game-winning drive.

After THAT, you call his perofrmance "good enough to win the game."

He's your Daddy. I got it.

We're done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

mrredskin21

"You're a Campbell APOLOGIST, and everyone on this board KNOWS it."


You make it sound like Jason Campbell played horribly today.

Dude got hit something fierce, but still made throws.

He's getting multiple guys involved in the passing game every week.

He was infinitely more accurate today.

Yes: he threw the INT that cost the team the chance to kick a long field goal.

But his overall performance in the face of serious pressure was not that bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

At one point today Romo had a qb rating of 35. The difference between Romo and JC is that Romo's coach did not give up on him.

This loss is on zorn.

But as the ghost of cL said, oh, well.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

So somebody explain why he doesn't have the nutz to run ONE frickin' play on a 3rd and long from the DALLAS 21 with 15 ticks left in the 2nd QTR?!?

Posted by: elfreako | November 22, 2009 5:03 PM

That seems like a lollipop. He didn't throw a pass because JC would get sacked and there would be no FG attempt. We were in good range and Suisham should have made it. Further, if he had thrown a pass it wouldn't have been complete, anyway.

Posted by: League-Source | November 22, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse
>Nice, If your smart, you do run another play, for one ,you may hit a home run , 2nd if you don't make it on that play,you have given your kicker some time to regroup (unfreeze his stupid Azz)

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Who to Blame: TOP 5
1. FO: No explanation necessary
2. Zorn: Even with his limited role he still finds ways to prevent a victory. He needs an even more reduced role.
3. Suisham: This guy was the least accurate kicker last year and it was just a matter of time.
4. JC17: Had a chance to win and once again he doesn't deliver...tho he played better he is too inaccurate and is mediocre at best
5. Blatche: The D's rankings are a facade. They have yet to make a stop when it matters and his scheme is terrible. ROMO is by QB rating the least effective QB in the league when blitzed and he doesn't blitz on final drive. Get 93 out of the lineup, he couldn't beat a guy named Doug Fine. He gives us nothing and Jarmon is a complete upgrade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The line sucks, but Zorn is the major, major problem on this team.
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I don't agree with that statement. While Zorn is a problem, he is not the MAIN problem; he is not even the MAJOR problem. In many ways he is a victim, someone in clearly over his head, who is only in this position because Snyder and Cerrato couldn't find anyone else. I think that he is clearly not suited for the NFL, but he is more a victim than an aggressor here.

I blame Snyder and Cerrato primarily. I blame them for failing to draft offensive linemen. I blame them for spending money on overpriced players whose best years are behind them and who only come to Washington to get paid.

I blame Snyder for meddling. I blame him for undermining every Redskin head coach over the last ten years. I blame him for enabling players like Clinton Portis to go on his own radio station to criticize the coach. I blame him for allowing players like Portis not to practice or do the preseason, sending a message to the rest of the team that, while all players are equal, some are more equal than others; and that upper management doesn't respect the coach's authority. In such a situation it becomes impossible for a coach, any coach, even someone like Bill Parcells, to control and have the respect of his team.

So yes I agree that Zorn is a problem, but he's not the main problem, not even the major problem.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

You make it sound like Jason Campbell played horribly today.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2009 6:07 PM |
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No, I make it sound like Campobell didn't play weel enough to WIN, which is what a QB should do.

Go ask this cat which game he watched.

Exhibit A: I do find interesting though that you're blinded by your resentment for JC to even admit when he played well enough for the team to win.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 5:49 PM

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

After THAT, you call his perofrmance "good enough to win the game."

He's your Daddy. I got it.

We're done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:06 PM |

He put the team in position to score enough points to win. It's a team game dude. Is that too hard to understand. If Campbell had thrown a TD pass of course the team would have one, so too if Susiham made all his FG; as well as if Rocky held onto an int with no one in fron t of him and the end zone.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

So, should we be on to talking about who the next HC or GM will be or who we will be taking at what pick in next years draft?

Surely we won't be talking about anymore wins this year right?

I know, let's do another poll.

Here's the question:

When will zorn be fired?

1. On the flight back to DC.
2. At the gate to Redskins Park.
3. Right after his press conference Monday.
4. It already happened.
5. At the end of the season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"I think if you hold any team in the NFL to seven, you should win the game."

"the cowboys should say the same thing.
"if you hold any team in the NFL to six, you should win"

Posted by: md_butler | November 22, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I am well aware that Gregg Williams is not the Saints HC.. But also aware that the Saints didnt have a chance in he-ll of being 10-0 without Williams as the Defensive Coordinator. Williams wanted to call the personnel shots.. Snyder had promised Vinny he would have the control after Gibbs departure.. The better pick (Williams) walked and we got Vinny's mostly worthless GM picks and the inexperienced Zorn as Head Coach.
So, indeed, Gregg Williams is getting the last laugh. He will be one of the most sought after Head Coaching candidates next year.. And Zorn will most likely be with Holmgren next year, in Cleveland, working on "coaching up" Brady Quinn as the Browns QB Coach. And hopefully, for the Browns, far away from a playcalling headset.
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Gregg Williams is now 10-0.
Snyder put him through 4 days of interviews and then dumped him....

he who laughs last..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 5:04 PM |

No that would be totally wrong, there head coach is 10-0 thanks to a great offense led by a great QB. The defense is OK but not better then our current defense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2009 6:05 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

He's your Daddy. I got it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:06 PM |


I'm going to have to read your posts more closely, I just saw this line. You're killing me....He's your Daddy. I got it..ha haaaaaaaaah. I can't believ this sh!t.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

We're done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2009 6:06 PM

Nighty nite time?..hahhhhhhhh!

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Jiacinto, we are stuck with Snyder. He may be THE PROBLEM, but its not changeable. The only hope is for him to hire a football GM who he will allow to run the team, for Snyder's own benefit. I can hope.

Hopefully Cerratto will be gone. He and (IMO) Zorn decided to roll the dice with the OLINE and make the upgrades elsewhere. It was a gamble, and he/they got their clock cleaned on that bet. As an aside, Haynesworth has been a huge benefit to the performance of the Defense as a whole. That upgrade has worked very well IMO.

Zorn is hurting this team with his mishandling of Campbell, his continual poor game day decisions, and his meddling in the offensive play calling which he has SUPPOSEDLY been told not to do.

The man is a kind soul but is a menace to Redskins' positive progress, and should not have anything further to do with this team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

And another random thought: I'm wondering why its ok for Holmgren to talk about taking an active coach's job (in Cleveland) but he says its not ok for Zorn's bosses to make changes when they don't think Zorn is getting it done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The only hope is for him to hire a football GM who he will allow to run the team, for Snyder's own benefit. I can hope.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:20 PM

Do you think Snyder could bring back Casserly? They have been on friendly terms from I understand. Hiring Casserly was suggested by someone else on this blog, but I'm liking the idea more and more.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

CURZON...
Snyder wont throw away 10-20 million dollars by firing Zorn..

Snyder will continue to slowly castrate him in public by reducing more of his Head Coaching duties until he hopefully quits and thus saves the team Millions of dollars in an otherwise buyout.

Its the Danny way (not the Redskins way).
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So, should we be on to talking about who the next HC or GM will be or who we will be taking at what pick in next years draft?

Surely we won't be talking about anymore wins this year right?

I know, let's do another poll.

Here's the question:

When will zorn be fired?

1. On the flight back to DC.
2. At the gate to Redskins Park.
3. Right after his press conference Monday.
4. It already happened.
5. At the end of the season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:15 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Another OL down and out.
Time to raid a practice squad and pick up two OL and get them playing by the last three games.

Also time to bring back Marcus Mason as Betts will be on IR.
While we are at it, place CP on IR too;
if today showed us anything, it should have confirmed for ALL Skins fans, that CP is slow, not explosive. RC looked so much quicker than CP...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 22, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

3rd down with 15 seconds and Zorn goes for FG. Wonder what the good teams like Colts and Saints would have done?

Campbell had an excellent game considering the pass rush.

Typical defense going into its prevent defense and allowing 10, 10, 10, 10,20, yards and then TD.

Suisham is really good when it doesn't count.

Even the bad teams can score points. Skins need new offensive coaching in a bad way.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | November 22, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

And another random thought: I'm wondering why its ok for Holmgren to talk about taking an active coach's job (in Cleveland) but he says its not ok for Zorn's bosses to make changes when they don't think Zorn is getting it done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:23 PM

I think Holmgren wants to be head of football operations, so it's not like he's taking over the coaching job.

Posted by: TWISI | November 22, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Casserly wants to be the Brown's GM.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Dallas is really lucky going this far into season without any major injuries; especially their offense. Had one major injury I think and that is to their OT who broke his leg last week.

Skins have had half their offense out with injury.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | November 22, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Come on WaPo, what's your deal w/zorn. Why is his name not on this poll.

Coaching lost this game, and to be specific, offensive coaches lost this game.

Posted by: Curzon417

Pretty much right on the money. They iced their own kicker at the end of the first half. Once all the confusion started and ended after 6-7 minutes, they should of run a play to roll out and throw the ball out of bounds. The longer a kicker is standing on the field before his kick the more he analysis it. That is why coaches call timeouts right before important field goals

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | November 22, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

CURZON...
Snyder wont throw away 10-20 million dollars by firing Zorn..

SkinsneedaGM

Gibbs was making 5 mil per year. No way zorn is being paid Gibbs money. His contract is guaranteed through next year. Tops it's 5-7 mil.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Other points:

Suisham cost the team the game. But frankly, as he had been 12/12 going into this game, it was only a matter of time before he missed a couple attempts. Still, though, he failed to execute when it counts; and the team lost.

The defense then crapped out on the last drive. I'm not sure what happened there. They just seemed to want to lose. It's like they collectively decided to throw the game or stop playing. In their defense they had to play without Albert Haynesworth but they played well enough to win. You could mention the INTs but they held Dallas to only seven points.

The offense played enough to get the team in field goal range twice. But Campbell did throw that INT. With all the injuries they did put up a fight.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 22, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY! dallas still stinks and hopefully snyder will learn that money does not buy championships. great team effort but need to find a way to win. how many games can we lose with 7 points or less.

Posted by: redskin76 | November 22, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

doc walker

Posted by: lhankins8 | November 22, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Read somewhere, 10 mil over 4 years with a buyout clause of more compensation if he is terminated.??
Dont know..
However, its still 10 million dollars more than he is worth..
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CURZON...
Snyder wont throw away 10-20 million dollars by firing Zorn..

SkinsneedaGM

Gibbs was making 5 mil per year. No way zorn is being paid Gibbs money. His contract is guaranteed through next year. Tops it's 5-7 mil.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 22, 2009 6:28 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I got a grand for the fund if Danny fires him tonight. Not kidding.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

hey skinsinkaneohe, a grand in Hawaiian dollars is about 10 dollars stateside. :)
++++++++++++++++++

I got a grand for the fund if Danny fires him tonight. Not kidding.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:32 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

So what has Doc Walker been saying?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

*****DOC WALKER FOR GM******

Posted by: lhankins8 | November 22, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Sad thing is, this team may win no more this season and be in the running for a top 5 pick, but it won't make any difference. I guarnatee Vinny will still be around. Danny will NEVER fire him. And no one respectable, gm or coach, will ever work for Danny. There is zero hope for the future, at least in my life time. Sad, sad situation, but true.

Posted by: wagman1 | November 22, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Shoots brah, i got one big kine stack poi fo make da zorn go 'way.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 22, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

hire the Bethel College Offensive Coordinator..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMdIHuzJRbw

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Why the f does Redskins.com play the other team's highlights? Pisses me off.

Posted by: Salinas1 | November 22, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse


15 seconds and only third down...
boy, looks like there was no confidence whatsoever that OL would protect JC or that JC would throw it away to avoid a sack, which would have taken them out of FG range....

Don't know, I am still trying to figure it out...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 22, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Betts is 30 with a torn MCL. Is this the end for him?

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"I think if you hold any team in the NFL to seven, you should win the game." - Jerry Gray and a bunch of morons.

Yes. But not when the other team holds you to less than that. What a moronic remark.

Posted by: hock1 | November 22, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Sad thing is, this team may win no more this season and be in the running for a top 5 pick, but it won't make any difference. I guarnatee Vinny will still be around. Danny will NEVER fire him. And no one respectable, gm or coach, will ever work for Danny. There is zero hope for the future, at least in my life time. Sad, sad situation, but true.

Posted by: wagman1 | November 22, 2009 6:37 PM

Do all Redskin fans a favor and cut you're life short. I'd like to see a winner soon and if you're up for it than I'll thank you in advance.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 22, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I would say the explosiveness is gone.. I had a torn MCL and was never the same (played but not in the NFL). You lose confidence in making your cuts and redirections.
Being a marginal starter... he may be done.
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Betts is 30 with a torn MCL. Is this the end for him?

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 6:52 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | November 22, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Beeps

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

not sure if it was zorn or lewis's call on 3rd and 15 deep in dallas territory they should have ran another play to the end zone or sideline does not make any sense to kick a field goal(which suisham) choked on anyway a 39 yarder. team played hard but injuries are mounting. another thing is why jarmon and number 95(forgot his name)on defense were not in on the last drive for dallas, how many sacks does daniel's have this year?..probably 1 or none,get the young pass rushers in the game daniels should be a back-up defensive tackle now not a starting DE he is taking up too much time not allowing faster people in the game this is blache's fault.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 22, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Did't watch the game (Im not a fan of train wrecks) but caught the final minutes on the radio. Defense went to a 3-4 PREVENT defensive and lost the game.
ANOTHER BAD COACHING DECISION....as Belachek has stated you can still win if you make some mistakes you just cant make them all the time.

Its always going to be something.
bad play calling
no offensive line
dumb coaching decisions
secondary getting burned deep

The defense still has not been tested. New Orleans will tell the cailber of this defense, Im guessing a 22 short.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | November 22, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44:

It's your, not you're. Too bad you don't know English, and if it's a winner you're looking for, look for another team.

Posted by: wagman1 | November 22, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for CIN. A freak fumble just cost them the game against OAK.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 22, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Okay after reading through everything on here. I can't believe how much everyone is over thinking it trying to us it to blame the defense or the kicker or anything.

This game was lost after the cluster F at the end of the half.

How did Zorn not go for the first down or the end zone with 15 seconds left, thats plenty of time for a pass to the side line for either. How do you not even just do a one play throw it away type thing and try and give your kicker time to reset mentally.

The loss falls 1st on Zorn and the Shermans, 2nd on the kicker for not being savvy enough to "reset".

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

The JC hating is stupid and unwarranted let's go back to the offseason where the front office made it known Campbell was not wanted then reinforced that mindset by insulting JC by openly seeking Cutler and seeking draft trade positioning to get Mark Sanchez nether of these QB's have distinguished themselves so far this season(ya think?)The FO then proceeds to draft not one O-lineman of signifigance thus hanging Zorn and JC out to dry,the O-line is aged and injury prone and lacks depth and that situation magnifies itself during the preseason against the Carolina Panthers where the Skins are embarrased. The wide receiving corps lacks a serious playmaker other then Santana Moss and their two high draft picks Kelly and Thomas have failed to come close to their potential. Jason Campbell routinely runs for his life every sunday or he takes a pounding every time he goes back to pass but for some of you none of these stated facts matter, my only question; what do you expect? The rest of this team see's the lack of loyalty and focus directed at Campbell by the FO so what are they to expect, this season was set up for failure by Cerrato and Synder so don't blame Jason Campbell.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 22, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44:

It's your, not you're. Too bad you don't know English, and if it's a winner you're looking for, look for another team.

Posted by: wagman1 | November 22, 2009 7:11 PM

Your're right. You're also an idiot for your post about your team and for not having a sense of humor.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 22, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

how about the 2 shades of red unis!they look like they are wearing long underware

Posted by: DLESMonday | November 22, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Who's to blame, where's the box for the offense?

Posted by: jmy999 | November 22, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

6 more games of this nightmare to go

Posted by: miked4 | November 22, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

15 seconds to go before half and the Z-man send the kicker out. This is a 3-6 team, oh Z-Man was saving Jason Campbell for the second half. Great coaching Z-man, you suck, period. We all expect the kicker to have a good day, but field goals cannot always win games. Jason Campbell should have been bench at half time, he is a choker with the game on the line. He'll be a good back-up but never a starter except here in DC. Zorn and Jason Campbell is the reason why the Redskins are 3 and 7. Both of them are just simply awful. Why not go for it on 4 and 2 before the missed field goal, hell dallas still got the ball back. That deflated the defenseive players and they showed it. I hope Snyder and Cerrato is satisfied with this Coaching staff, because I don't think that they have but 2 coaches on this current Redskins team, Joe Bugel and Jerry Gray. Screw Blache, Zorn and the rest.

Posted by: butche106 | November 22, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 22, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

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