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Blache Hopes Taylor Returns Next Year

Dan Steinberg reports:

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache said after the game that he hopes Jason Taylor returns for a second season in Washington.

"If it was up to me, yes," Blache said. "I just think he's a real real pro, he's a class act, he's been a good addition to our locker room, he's been a good teammate, and you saw today what he's capable of doing when he is healthy and the situation's right."

Taylor had said last week that he didn't deserve his $8 million contract; "he and I had a conversation after he made that statement, to tell him, 'hey it might not be 8 million, but you're worth a lot,'" Blache said.

Taylor had two sacks and a forced fumble today, the first forced fumble by a Redskins defensive lineman this season.

"As he gets healthy and back in his rhythm, I think you'll see, he's a good football player," Blache said. "This is his best game. Not even close, this is his best game. He did things that you won't even see in the paper that were really, really good."

By Cindy Boren  |  December 21, 2008; 8:29 PM ET
 
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First?

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

If he would come back for alot less I would'nt mind, not at 8mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

If Taylor gives us this effort/performance next year, he's worth every penny. Line him up on the right side and J. Peppers on the left. We save 4 million by cutting Carter, we can use some of that cash to sign Peppers.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's what SHOULD happen :

We either cut him or sign him for much, much less. Like 1 or 2 mil if he'll take it. If not, bye.

Here's what WILL happen :

He'll have a good game next week and we'll be told that he's "back" all of a sudden and we re-sign him for 8 mil again and he has another less than mediocre season.


but congrats on the 2 sacks and forced fumble in a game with no meaning! That's HUGE!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

He did not start but he played a pretty good amount. I did'nt see him make any mistakes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

pessimism (n.) the doctrine or belief that the existing world is the worst possible.

see also: jiacinto

Posted by: swowra | December 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Well it has been fun see you in the morning.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

If he could continue to play like he did today he would be worth 8 mil and maybe more. The Iggles have a good line, McNabb is hard to get a hold of, and he helped keep Westbrook's effectiveness to a minimum. That first if is a big one though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I read on the Philly site that the Eagles playcalling kept Westbrook from having a good game. They didn't run enough.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Try to get Peppers ...cut Carter and see if Taylor will play for less...sounds good!

Posted by: JCB9 | December 21, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Truth, actually Rogers did start tonight - with Hall. I think Springs was at safety.

I don't think Rogers played much though.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Taylor was healthy and finally used properly. That's the key to an 8 million a year DE.

Eagles fans hate Andy Reid. Tonight will only make them hate him more.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

From previous post:

Talent Evaluator : If you don't like my whining then just don't comment on my posts, don't read my posts, if you see my name just skip over it, I'm entitled to my opinion and I don't really care if you don't like my "whining."

how would you describe the offense then??

Posted by: rachel216 | December 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Carter could play linebacker?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I know this blog is anti free agent, but with only 4 picks in the draft, Peppers is the key.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The tried Carter at OLB in San Fran in a 3-4 defense and it was a total disaster. No way that happens here.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Here is truth: The team needs a psychologist to come in and treat the whole offense. There has been no "fire" in the offense for many years. There is something in the air that causes them to act like a 3rd rate high school team. They are an embarrassment to pro football. Or perhaps just pitiful.

Posted by: vienna12 | December 21, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The tried Carter at OLB in San Fran in a 3-4 defense and it was a total disaster. No way that happens here.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:48 PM

That sucks, oh well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Gotta mix a few good FA (Peppers)signings with a solid draft...Good luck Vinnie!

Posted by: JCB9 | December 21, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

They are an embarrassment to pro football. Or perhaps just pitiful.

Posted by: vienna12 | December 21, 2008 8:48 PM

Actually, the Lions are an embarrasment to pro football. You are an embarrasment to drama.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

You like Peppers over Suggs? I personally would rather see them throw money at Jordan Gross than Peppers. Offense is more of the problem on this team and RT is a glaring hole.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 21, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Gotta mix a few good FA (Peppers)signings with a solid draft...Good luck Vinnie!

Posted by: JCB9 | December 21, 2008 8:50 PM

Haynesworth will be available too. WE NEED O LINE!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

signing Julius Peppers just reeks of everything the Redskins have done wrong.

Less than a year ago, Julius Peppers was done and past his prime.

Now he's having a darn good year, but to bring him in, sign him to a huge contract, ugh.

I mean, he might could go anywhere else and have a Pro Bowl year, but do yall really think our luck with big name free agents is gonna change?

We need to go after solid starters for cheap, not big name guys.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

We do need O line, but we can trade back in the first and pick up extra picks to get an o line guard or even right tackle with an extra pick or two. There is too much serious talent on the D line out there to let it go by. We need a pass rush to complement our top ranked secondary.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Vienna - they are certainly an embarrassment to skins fans, at least.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Can't anyone just enjoy a win instead of breaking down the FO/coaching/personnel problems ad nauseum? My only disappointment is helping the stinking Cowgirls!

Posted by: cosomfla | December 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Peppers was playing on one leg last year. He's healthy and motivated this year. We sign him, just like anyone else, injuries will dictate how he plays. He's a risk we have to take.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Coso - this IS us enjoying the win!

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the cutting carter thing, he is good when you have a guy on the line who can take care of the run, we just need him rotated more. Our DT rotation has been much deeper than the DE's

Posted by: alex35332 | December 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

In order to get a Peppers they'd had to divert so much cap space that they couldn't address their other needs.

Instead of spending $12 million on a FA, it'd be great if Snyder could purchase a 2nd round pick.

Not doable, I know; but I can dream.

I think they need to cross their fingers and hope one of the rookie wideouts can step up. Get a veteran just in case.

Otherwise, go after linemen linemen linemen. Both sides.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Best defensive performance of the season.

D. Hall is a lucky man. He got beat horribly on two bombs and the receiver muffed both.

Placemeyer(sp?) was beyond believable. He has got the spin just perfect on those punts now so that no Redskin even needs to down them, they just die on the 3 yard line.

Jason Campbell looked bad, threw bad, even the short passes were way off. Only McNabb looked worse.

I kept hoping to see Betts start a series in the fourth quarter. The offense in the second half was just completely stale and the defense was giving them short fields every time.

Blache should sign all four backs for next year: Smoot, Rogers, Hall and Springs. Overall they snuffed the Eagles. Fletcher played like a madman tonight. And Taylor played like 2007.

I take back what I said earlier about the Skins being dead, the defense was great. The offense looked alive but just so lacking in any scoring ability. They played well enough to make the game a battle of field position and there were no turnovers. I am aware that this is all we can expect from this offence. I just hope for about 3 new linemen next year.

Posted by: driley | December 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Last night after the Cowboys loss, I visited their blog. It was just like ours! The fans hated the coach, the owner, the QB. They said Jerry Jones must go.....they are finished with the team, etc. Just like our blog! They want to bring in Cowher - just like our blog. And someone noted (just like on our blog) that Cowher will never go to the Cowboys because he would not be able to stand Jerry Jones looking over his shoulder.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying the win for sure. Its just bittersweet getting knocked out on the same day. At least we swept the iggles and probably kept them out of the playoffs too.

If we can't talk about the offseason, what's the point of having this forum? What to evalute the play against a lousy SF team?

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Some pretty funny comments in the philly paper. Eagles fans sound very similar to our b*tching and complaining about the same stuff.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/hofmann/Disaster_strikes_Eagles.html

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 21, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Ask Taylor to take 2 mill., if he says no then bid him adieu!

Suggs over Peppers. Suggs is a hybrid that can go DE on passing downs. Between Evans, Wilson, Buzbee, Carter we should find a decent DE rotation without having to break the bank for Peppers.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Eagles fans are rotten to the core. Rotten.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how GREAT this D is when every player is healthy!!!!!!!!!!!

Dunavan ( in the words of T.O. )has been scary accurate the past few weeks and we actually played well against him.

ALSO, O line played well today, w/ the exception of the Fanini whiff... Did a great job of picking up Jimmy Johnson crazy blitz packages!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 21, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Wilson hasn't made a play all year...Buzbee, I'm not even going to address that one...Evans, very solid against the run, but no pass rush at all. Carter, time to go and we all know it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Campbell might be living on borrowed time.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Peppers has double digit sacks 5 of the 7 years he's been in the league. He'll be 29 in January and we can get 4 solid years out of him for sure. He's worth it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

yes some temporary euphoria.. HTTR !! BUT BUT ,we all know the FO needs to step up in off season and patch the holes so evident in this aging team !! and sad to say but difficult to fill so much in one year...FO !! wake the F Up !!

Blache is a keeper ..never thought GW could be replaced !

Posted by: dl51 | December 21, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Wilson hasn't made a play all year...Buzbee, I'm not even going to address that one...Evans, very solid against the run, but no pass rush at all. Carter, time to go and we all know it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Wilson has barely played this year b/c he's buried in the rotation. Buzbee has been injured. Demetric Evans has 4 sacks, which is tied for team lead and he hasn't even been playing on every down. We have young DEs that need to get on the field.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Terrell Suggs is 26 years old avergaing about 8-9 sacks a year as an LB. We need to rebuild which means we don't break the bank on guys knocking on the door of 30.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Just some BS stats.

John Beason - 122 tackles, 0 sacks, 3 ints, 7 passes defended. 1 pro bowl

London Fletcher - 124 tackes. .5 sacks, 0 ints, 6 passes defended. 1 heart and soul of his team's defense.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Peppers has double digit sacks 5 of the 7 years he's been in the league. He'll be 29 in January and we can get 4 solid years out of him for sure. He's worth it.

Posted by: rich20ssu

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Suggs is a product of the 3-4 and would be a tweener for our defense.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder goes after any Free Agent, I hope it's Scott Pioli from the Patriots!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 21, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Wishful thinking CLEGG. We are saddled with Ceratto for life.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 21, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Suggs is a product of the 3-4 and would be a tweener for our defense.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Not entirely ture. Rex Ryan mixes it up. He goes 3-4, 4-3, even 46. Besides, versatility is a strength.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

The estimated cap next year is 123 million. Start cutting...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Just remember, capless 2010!
We can keep JT, sigh Haynesworth, Housh, and a whole lot more and structure their bonuses around a capless 2010 and on!!!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis makes everyone better. We don't have Ray Lewis...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

take back what I said earlier about the Skins being dead, the defense was great. The offense looked alive but just so lacking in any scoring ability. They played well enough to make the game a battle of field position and there were no turnovers. I am aware that this is all we can expect from this offence. I just hope for about 3 new linemen next year.

Posted by: driley | December 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

thank you for your gracious recantation. And I totally agree we need to draft heavy on linemen. Maybe exclusively. Not sure about f/a signings, Peppers is still pretty young as is Haynesworth, gotta think one of them would be huge but in general we have to start building our lines via the draft

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis makes everyone better. We don't have Ray Lewis...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

You're reaching...besides, London Fletcher isn't chopped liver...

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Suggs had 5 sacks last year and only has 8 this year. He's a system guy. If you rush everyone at the QB every play, you're bound to come away with 5-9 sacks a year.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody respects Fletcher more than me. I just like Peppers better to fit our needs. Cushing or Maulagua will be available at 18 or so (where we're picking) in the draft. Either one of those guys will do just fine as our starting LB. There are no Peppers in this year's draft.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey rich20....so JC has a $1 cap hit next year?? Pete Kendall is 0? Huh? Anyways, it just shows that we have multi-million dollar cap hits going to non-producers next year...sweet!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 21, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

This was on cnnsi.com. You know where this guy was picked? At 54, 3 spots behind Malcolm Kelly. Good job Vinny. This is why the Titans are where they are and we will be home after next week.


• Speaking of Haynesworth, who needs him? Titans rookie Jason Jones took over Big Albert's starting spot and proceeded to register a whopping 3½ sacks of Ben Roethlisberger, and force three fumbles.

Maybe Haynesworth being eligible for free agency isn't the worst-case scenario after all.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse


Exciting win...Since i live near Philly and work with alot of Eagles fans tomorrow should be FUN!

Does anyone know what our salary cap situation is looking like as we go into the offseason?

Posted by: dglelite | December 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy needs to reinvest some of his gains into this team ..he's got the bankroll of the Yankees but can't execute the deal to make it happen ...sell the team to the steinbrenners ..they'll win !!

Posted by: dl51 | December 21, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I dont think we need peppers. Resign Evans, use the young guys more Chris Wilson who had 4 or 5 sacks last yr in limited play and rob jackson and sign the FA dt for Tennessee Haynesworth who is only 27

Posted by: GCD04 | December 21, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Nobody respects Fletcher more than me. I just like Peppers better to fit our needs. Cushing or Maulagua will be available at 18 or so (where we're picking) in the draft. Either one of those guys will do just fine as our starting LB. There are no Peppers in this year's draft.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:34 PM
=============================================
Everyone on our defense will look better when our offense puts up more points.

Which is my way of saying improve the O.L. with our draft picks.

It all starts with the O.L.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 21, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Suggs had 5 sacks last year and only has 8 this year. He's a system guy. If you rush everyone at the QB every play, you're bound to come away with 5-9 sacks a year.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

What is "system" guy supposed to mean? Why is Suggs a "system" guy but Peppers isn't? It's not like Peppers has been a solo act on a bunch of lousy defenses. Peppers played next to 2 of the best DTs in the game for most of his career. We need to rebuild and Peppers is approaching the wrong side of 30. We have young DEs in the pipeline. Marcus Washington is done and HB Blades is not the answer. Suggs can give us sacks and then some.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is a FA this offseason, so yes his cap hit is 0 for 2009 considering he's unsigned beyone 2008.

Don't hate, its not my site, just one for reference.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

From philly.com

The truth is, the Eagles got what they deserved yesterday against a reeling Redskins team that would have rolled over and died if the Eagles had smacked them early. That's just the reality. But the Eagles let them hang around and then they couldn't generate any significant offense the rest of the way.

Sounds familiar.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Chris Wilson and Alex Buzbee are not the answer. If Buzbee was sitting next to you, you wouldn't know it.

I'm all about trading back in the draft to acquire more picks to improve both lines, but I see Suggs not being a playmaker in Blache's defense. Ryan lets his guys fly all over the place, where Blache is very gap oriented. Look at LaVar. All the talent in the world, but couldn't play in this scheme. I see Suggs in the same mold.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

sad to realize rams and bengals did this to us ...wow

Posted by: dl51 | December 21, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

This little bit of news remains:

Taylor had a four-to-six inch gash on his side from landing on the cleat of Brian Westbrook late in the game.

"I just fell on Westbrook's shoe and got the wind knocked out of myself," Taylor said.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 21, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Chris Wilson and Alex Buzbee are not the answer. If Buzbee was sitting next to you, you wouldn't know it.

I'm all about trading back in the draft to acquire more picks to improve both lines, but I see Suggs not being a playmaker in Blache's defense. Ryan lets his guys fly all over the place, where Blache is very gap oriented. Look at LaVar. All the talent in the world, but couldn't play in this scheme. I see Suggs in the same mold.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The point is that we have picks and time invested in alot of young DEs already. Wilson, Buzbee, Rob Jackson, not to mention Evans. Plus we all know that Carter is going nowhere. And if they are talking about keeping Jason Taylor that is 6 spots on this roster filled with DEs and alot of money tied up in Carter and Taylor. He was BEAST coming out of college as a DE, and his pro career has reinforced that. You don't have to get fancy with Suggs. He's big enough to plug the run, and he can put his hand down on 3rd and long...just let him do his thing.

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

replay of the last play is now up on youtube (only been able to find the philly announcer, though)

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles probably came into FedEx field thinking that they would have an easy win. They probably took the Redskins for granted and that's why they lost. It wasn't a matter of the Redskins "winning", as much as it was a matter of the Eagles "losing". That last drive they kept throwing in the middle of the field, costing themselves precious seconds. And that's why they lost.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

sad to realize rams and bengals did this to us ...wow

Posted by: dl51 | December 21, 2008 9:53 PM | =============================================
We had every opportunity to finish Dallas off on November 17th. But we let them come back and win in the 4th quarter. in our own house.

That was the season, imho.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Helloo....are some of you listening to yourselves??? You want to sign Julius Peppers???

I think HAYNESWORTH is and should be THE main target of the REDSKINS in Free Agency. We need a pair of pocket collapsing DT ...and we can attain that with Haynesworth and a drafted rookie.

Do we keep Taylor...not at 8 Million....i'd prefer those funds be used to resigning Rogers and Hall. Cutting Springs or making him redo his contract will also create a ton of cap space.

Posted by: goosedude | December 21, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's the consolation prize...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24453

Either one is a much better value than Suggs.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't take Warren Sapp's word as gospel, but his analysis of haynesworth is as a guy who takes too many plays off. Where I'd like to see him as opposed to Lorenzo Alexander, I'm somewhat concerned how many more plays he'd take off with 23 million in guarantees.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at this kid from Ole Miss.

Looks like a solid prospect at RT if we don't go LB or WR in the first round.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23889

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Taylor had said last week that he didn't deserve his $8 million contract; "he and I had a conversation after he made that statement, to tell him, 'hey it might not be 8 million, but you're worth a lot,'" Blache said.


Blache was then immediately whisked into a side room where Danny and Vinny excoriated him for telling a player he was worth a lot of money. They commanded him to stop making players think that subpar performance should command a premium salary, to which Blache replied, "You first."

Posted by: freakzilla | December 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Actually, London Flether has 200 more tackles than Ray Lewis.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Suggs is a system OLB, Peppers is a system DE.

Suggs' system is the 3-4, Peppers' system is the 4-3. We run a 4-3.

Neither guy is worth going after. Both will command similar money in the FA market. Both would be a solid move for a team trying to make the final jump. Neither are guys that are worth building around for the future.

And regardless, what this game highlighted was the fact that the defense is more than holding its own. Only defense in the league to not let up 25 points or more all season long. A decent, consistent offense, and this team could be close to 13 wins.

Posted by: psps23 | December 21, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

PSP,

Agreed. However, by throwing 25 million at TJ Houshmanzadeh, Vinny would be admitting the glaring second round mistakes he made. I'd be fine with them giving Housh that kinda money, but we need to focus on the lines first.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I definitely don't think we give Housh a big payday. That would be beyond a mistake. The team needs to get younger and cheaper across the board, and signing Housh does nothing for that.

If anybody gets money thrown at them, it better be a stud offensive lineman. I'd give it to Jordan Gross. Rinehart would slide in for Kendall. Then I'd draft a center high and draft a guard in the mid rounds. In the later rounds, I'd draft a WR and a change of pace RB.

The only house-cleaning I'd do would be to get rid of players that are locked up for a long period of time with no future value (i.e. Jansen). Aside from that, this team isn't (or shouldn't be) signing anybody that will cost big bucks, so the only real salary cap space needed would be for signing the draft picks and for taking care of the guys currently on the roster that need to be locked up (like DHall).

Posted by: psps23 | December 21, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game and may have missed it, but didn't we down several punts inside the 20? Did we re-sign leigh torrence? I didn't think we could do that without him.

Posted by: zyvo23 | December 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

If we're moving towards an uncapped year, cheaper is not better. I want lineman too, but we can get playmakers and not get burned too. Get some value for $20 parking and high ticket prices.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how WR is a position of need right now. The Fiesta Trio may or may not be a bust, but there's no chance they'll give up on them after just one year. That means that Thrash is really the only open WR position, and nothing screams 'justaguy' more than #5 WR. Mix, McMullen, Mann, Espy, Thrash, some 6th round pick I've never heard of, that Devin guy that was on our practice squad, these are the competitors for WR.

Posted by: daggar | December 21, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

D'Angelo Williams just got his 4th TD and 20th for the season. Wow...Not bad for a change of pace back.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Rich, love the draftology...I'd love to get a franchise RT but if we trade down and try to maximize our number of picks in the absence of a "sure thing" (so to speak), I'm OK with that.

p.s. Giants getting run all over. Me likey. Panthers figure to be a tough out in the playoffs.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"I was at the game and may have missed it, but didn't we down several punts inside the 20? Did we re-sign leigh torrence? I didn't think we could do that without him.

Posted by: zyvo23"

I'm pretty sure that not one of those downed punts were a result of the gunners. Plackemeier literally downed them himself by deadening the ball on the spot they landed (or by kicking it out of bounds). Kind of like the Rock Cartwright punt debacle, only this time he didn't have one of his teammates "help" out. He was outstanding today.

Posted by: psps23 | December 21, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The Jets spent all that cash on the Oline this offseason and have a HOFer back there and they'll end up with the same record as us. Draft and develop the o line with those 4 picks we still have left.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 21, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Anyone startled that another team marched down the field in the fourth qtr.(AGAIN!!)RAVENS,COWGIRLS,EAGLES,BENGALS,RAMS!!! Now you can say what you want about Blache but i for one am not impressed with his "scheme's" granted if we had a pass rush those fourth qtr.meltdown's might not have occured,but like i said i ain't impressed and by the way that didn't happen when GW ran the D.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see how WR is a position of need right now. The Fiesta Trio may or may not be a bust, but there's no chance they'll give up on them after just one year. That means that Thrash is really the only open WR position, and nothing screams 'justaguy' more than #5 WR. Mix, McMullen, Mann, Espy, Thrash, some 6th round pick I've never heard of, that Devin guy that was on our practice squad, these are the competitors for WR.

Posted by: daggar"

Even if the entire draft class pans out, that still only leaves 4 WRs on the roster, which is not enough for a decent offense -- let alone a spread, high-passing offense. And as we have learned from this season, you cannot have "just a guy" at any WR spot for this team, because only 1 of those WRs is proven to be a true player. As of right now, spots 2-5 are "just a guy"'s.

Posted by: psps23 | December 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the problems are not defensive,they're offensive line and more potential threats than just Moss and Cooley...Randal El is being under used and Portisis being killed,the kid is doing well when he's on his feet,but no one can through while they're falling.

That being said,offensive line looked better than against the Ravens...but the Eagles are not the Ravens.

Posted by: petebowling | December 21, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

u know who also needs a good lookin at and possibly replacing? our scouting team. i dislike Vinny and want him gone. but these guys make decisions based on a litany of information they get from multiple sources. let's have some accountability from the underlings in addition to the Chief of Incompetence himself. I can only surmiize that he only excels in this position with the help of others.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Plack done good for us today, psps23.

It was a game of field position, and he won it for us.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 21, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Lots of helmet to helmet action today around the league. Kind of scarey. Did anyone just see the hit the Giants WR took? Landry got away with a couple too.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

really don't think LaRon led with the helmet today. he has gotten better about using the forearm shiva.

Anyone see that poor frosh WR for So Miss break his leg? It was nasty. Best player. Harsh.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just went over to the NYT site to see if they have something similar...let's be thankful for small mercies with ourlittle board here.

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

This Giants team is the luckiest in the NFL.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 21, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn played his offense today like at the beginning of the season -- avoid mistakes at all costs, and hope the defense comes up with something big when it's needed.

Y'know, it may be boring, but it seems to work fairly well.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 21, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Giants get the ball to start over time. Looks like they will the game. They have to be the luckiest team in the NFL. To watch them and DAL win grates on me, but I now know how Orioles fans feel each year when the Red Sox and Yankess win; and Baltimore is just an irrelevant footnote.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 21, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn played his offense today like at the beginning of the season -- avoid mistakes at all costs, and hope the defense comes up with something big when it's needed.

Y'know, it may be boring, but it seems to work fairly well.

Posted by: Samson151

You're kidding right.

And, why hand the game to the Giants so soon?

Posted by: slats999 | December 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

So now CAR gets the ball.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 21, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Go Eagles! Beat Dallas!
Go Eagles! Beat Dallas!
Go Eagles! Beat Dallas!
Go Eagles! Beat Dallas!
Go Eagles! Beat Dallas!

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 21, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Go Skins!! Now go out there and score 10 points!!!!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

At least they follow directions...

Posted by: ga8085 | December 21, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

All attention should go to creating a top O-line.. Campbell or Cassel or Rypien win the Super Bowl behind a top O-line...absolute priority..Next is pass rushing defensive line, in some form, hopefully not too expensive...rookie replacements for Portis, Moss should be invested in, no more primadonnas...And if Cerrato isn't gone by after the season, I'm clocking out as 'Skins fan, lifelong frustrating though it may be...

Posted by: frak | December 21, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

from Jason Reid's article:

"Television replays confirmed Brown was held out of the end zone after the Eagles challenged the ruling,"

teams can challenge plays in the last two minutes now?

Posted by: IHateJLC | December 21, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I supported the Taylor trade, thinking he'd be important to our playoff push. If he helped us get there, its a good trade. othewise, he's a bust.

There is almost nothing I find more frustrating than a guy who has big game when it has no meaning. Do this last week when the playoff hopes are very much alive, and then help us win out ... I'll say he's worth something. But come up with a big game when you're eliminated? Sorry. No credit for that.

If he comes back, he can't hinder the rebuilding effort needed. Which means he can't be a cap problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

teams can challenge plays in the last two minutes now?

Posted by: IHateJLC | December 21, 2008 11:57 PM
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Twas the night before Christmas...

I mean, twas a booth review.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

This win did nothing but 2 things:

1- cost us draft position (not that Vinny would make a good pick anyhow)

2- helped Dallas' chances of making the playoffs

Unreal. Even when we win we lose. I hate football.

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 22, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Unreal. Even when we win we lose. I hate football.

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 22, 2008 12:58 AM
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That's the spirit!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 22, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

+++Just watching the clips on NBC of the MIA-KC game. How could they dramatically turn around so much, while WAS lays an egg?

Posted by: jiacinto ++++

Bill Parcells v. Vinny Cerrato

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

There lies the difference between both franchises...Bill Parcells vs. Cerrato....no match; the Tuna crushes da Vinny.

Posted by: impact32 | December 22, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

i'M NOT BUYING THIS WIN. ITS FOOL'S GOLD
PEOPLE!!! THIS TEAM HAS BEEN DOING THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR. WHAT DOES THIS LEAVE US??WITH FEW DRAFT PICKS AND THE REFUELING OF REDSKINS 1. AT LEAST GAS IS GOING DOWN. CONGRATULATION IN THE PRESEASON VINNY...YOU DOPE BRAIN.

Posted by: joe12341 | December 22, 2008 3:04 AM | Report abuse

I wish all you clowns dreaming about "capless 2010" would do a little research. First of all, only players with 6 years will be free agents. Secondly, teams get THREE tags, not one. So the great young players will not be available. All the Skins will be able to do is snatch up a bunch of 30 year olds whose best years are behind them. You know, like they do now.

And finally, Danny Boy has lost hundreds of millions of dollar in his collosal failure at Six Flags. He bought that stock at $12. It's now worth 30 cents a share. He can't afford to be Steinbrenner anymore.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 22, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

I wish all you clowns would do a little research.

And finally, Danny Boy has lost hundreds of millions of dollar in his collosal failure at Six Flags. He bought that stock at $12. It's now worth 30 cents a share. He can't afford to be Steinbrenner anymore.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 22, 2008 4:28 AM

And where did you get your "research" d_s_? Snyder bought Six Flags stock when it was $4-$6 a share. He got control of the company. Then he rode the stock up to $12, selling enough in the $9-$12 range to make a profit and still retain control. Now that it's down to $.30, he's buying again. When it's back up to $.90, he'll sell some more and triple his money again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

good morning.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 22, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

p.s. the line about the challenge at the end was supposed to be corrected and somehow was not....so you're right, of course.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 22, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

how can you say our offense is not terrible? Seriously, it's disgustingly bad. I have lost sight in one of my eyes after watching some of our games.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 21, 2008 8:22 PM

What you've lost sight of is what constitutes a "terrible" offense. The 'Skins have a long way to go to be a good offense. But this offense isn't terrible. It's ranked 20th in the NFL so, yeah, it's weak but there are plenty of other teams you'd look to as "terrible."

What you've lost sight of is who the Redskins have played, and the quality of the defenses we've faced this year. Here's the top eight defenses:

1. Steelers
2. Ravens
3. Eagles
4. Redskins
5. Titans
6. Vikings
7. Cowboys
8. Giants

That's eight of the games we played, including the team we beat (for the second time) yesterday. Those are the defenses that make good offenses look bad. The team with the best offense in the league -- New Orleans -- only faced two of those defenses and they lost both games.

So, where I'm coming out is that the Redskins have a weak offense that played against the toughest defenses in the league. And we're not going to have a better record until we improve the offense. But I'm not with all you emotional whiners who see the offense as "terrible" or "disgustingly bad."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

What you've lost sight of is who the Redskins have played, and the quality of the defenses we've faced this year. Here's the top eight defenses:

1. Steelers
2. Ravens
3. Eagles
4. Redskins
5. Titans
6. Vikings
7. Cowboys
8. Giants

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 7:33 AM

Okay, then please explain our offensive output versus:

St. Louis
Cincinnati
Cleveland

Not exactly world beaters on defense. Yet the O still struggled. Our offense flat out stinks, and I for one am tired of hearing all the excuses for it.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Our offense flat out stinks, and I for one am tired of hearing all the excuses for it.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2008 8:00 AM

The offense is ranked 20th in the NFL. It averages 324 yards per game. Offenses that "stink" are Cincinnati (240 yards), Cleveland (257 yards), Detroit (265 yards), Oakland (268 yards). And they averaged that against much easier defenses than the Redskins faced.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's my pseudo impartial take on the Skins O

offensive personnel: average (skill players above average, o-line below average)
offensive play calling: it stinks

early in the season, the O was a lot more aggressive (see going for it on 4th down at the end of the first eagles game) and it actually scored some points. late in the season, it looked like it was just out there to give the D some rest before they had to go back out on the field.

I understand that with a patchwork O line, you're more limited with what you can (and can't) do with play calling. But at some point, you've got to try to score some points to take pressure off of your defense.

Then again, the Iggles play calling didn't make a lot of sense either, so maybe both coaches had too much eggnog Saturday evening

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 22, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

btw, wtf was Jim Zorn thinking with that 54 yard field goal attempt in the middle of the first half. did he really think that had any chance?

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 22, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Put him on the right side. You are just wasting time and $ by not putting him where he has performed the best in his career.

Guy has been a pro by not publicly complaining of the change of position all season. A guy like Portis would've already been nagging all over the Tv and radio if he was asked to change anything.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 22, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

He would have had a dozen other games like that if he had not been injured the ENTIER F'ing season people.

Of course many of you knew that was going to happen the very day we signed him, Jason included.

LOL at the peanut gallery......

Posted by: jahs4fun | December 22, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

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