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Blaylock Is a Skin; Hilton About 99 Percent

RB Derrick Blaylock agreed to terms a little while ago according to his agent. I think it's a nice signing for depth and he will be someone to watch at camp. I know Rock will be keeping an eye on him. He's prospered in this system before and in KC averaged like 4.7 per carry, was a good return guy and scored 8 TDs in 2004, starting 5 games.

I know he isn't a CFL stud, but maybe the Jesse Lumsden fan club will adopt Derrick as their cause this season. Seemed like a real cool dude when I chatted with him this afternoon and I have a weird feeling he is one of the last cuts or starts the year with them, especially if Dolla Bill isn't full-go for Week 1,

Also, TE Zach Hilton was offered a contract tonight by the Skins I am told, and the Silver Spring native badly wants to play here. He'll go in tomorrow to take a physical and knock out some paperwork, and barring an unlikely setback, he'll be signed too. He's 6-8 with some good upside and plays a position where he has a to battle Todd Yoder and not a whole lot else to make the team. I think he could end up being a real nice addition as well.

Okay, almost bath time for Chloe so I gotta get running. Big day tomorrow.

Looks like I'll be taking her to her first baseball game (or pro sporting event for that matter) tomorrow - businessman special at Camden Yards, which should give us plenty of room to roam and displace french fries from one section to the next. Wish us luck. I hope they take BP - you never know with a 12:30 start, I doubt it - and I figure we'll leave by 3 to let her nap on the way back to NoVa and beat the BW-Parkway blues.

I'm pretty pumped. This daddy thing has its perks. Only wish the Sox were in town. She think everyone who comes to the plate is "Big Poppi" and alas will be deprived of the real thing Monday. Sure, she'd rather be at another Doodlebops gig, but I am way psyched. She had a blast when I took her to the last Caps practice of the year, and when she got to hang out with my boy Olie the Goalie, and is great about indulging here daddy's sports addiction.

Wish us luck and if you see a short dude in a BoSox cap with a cute 2-year old covered in ketchup and vanilla ice cream, give us a shout.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 6, 2007; 7:27 PM ET
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Posted by: Mo in CLE | May 6, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"If dolla bill isn't full-go for Week 1."

Uh, is this a hypothetical thing, or is there still concern about CP's health?

I would have hoped he would be 100% or darn close to it by now...

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | May 6, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse


How did the rookies look? Any pleasant surprises?

Posted by: KK | May 6, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

A positive post from you JLC. Good work my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | May 6, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to whoever announced the new post.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 6, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are making some pretty nice moves. I hope they continue upgrading the D-Line.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 6, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Really like the Blaylock signing, he's be a great addition. Now let's get this D-Line thing done.

Scouts Inc. -

A.Schobel - 82
Schobel has an excellent combination of athleticism, durability and experience. He aligns as the right end in regular and sub packages. He is smart, instinctive and competitive. He attacks gaps and can be very disruptive on the move. He is a solid technician whose hand usage has continually improved. He takes outstanding pursuit angles, gets over trash easily and has the speed to extend to the perimeter. He has enough functional strength and leverage to hold up against the run. He is an effective tackler in the box. He has very good pass-rushing instincts and anticipation. He has good burst off the edge and the speed to bend the corner and close on quarterbacks. He has active hands and can transfer power to speed. He has an array of pass-rush moves he can put together. He takes good sharp angles off inside games. Schobel is a little undersized and can struggle against some bigger blockers. He neutralizes blocks but isn't an explosive stack-and-shed player.

D.Burgess - 78
Burgess is the ultimate gamer, using hustle and technique to become an outstanding performer. He is a constant edge threat who can change opponents' blocking schemes. He has long arms and very quick hands, and he knows how to use them exceedingly well. He can keep blockers off his body by consistently getting his hands inside and extending. He can maneuver a tackle who is on his heels when he grabs cloth with his strong hands. He has a variety of pass-rush moves, including an excellent inside club move and a surprisingly impressive bull rush for a small end. He gets to many sacks almost by sheer will. He is relentless in pursuit and can make plays from the back side, despite lacking outstanding pure speed. Burgess lacks ideal size and is an ordinary athlete for an elite pass rusher. He can get overwhelmed in the run game by massive drive-blocking tackles. He lacks the quick-twitch athleticism, smooth hips and edge speed of most sack kings. He has a terrible injury history, which could explain the stunning breakout in his first full, healthy season since his rookie year.

A.Brown - 75
Brown has excellent agility and speed. He is a pass rusher first and a run-stopper second. He seems to plays in spurts, but he has become more consistent and is tough to stop when he's hot. He has improved his array of pass-rush moves and can beat most blockers with his athleticism when he can isolate them. He has good body control and changes directions well. He can squeeze the quarterback with tight angles. He has quick hands that he uses well and gets good separation. He seems to have a decent feel for blocking angles and will make a lot of backside chase plays for a big guy. But Brown isn't always as dominant as his skills suggest he should be. He is adequate against the run but isn't big or strong enough at the point of attack against double teams and power blockers. He disappears into his own world at times and isn't consistently disciplined. He still is young enough to improve further, but one wonders how he would fare with a group of lesser teammates.

Posted by: kost52 | May 6, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

this portis thing just keeps getting worse! paper says he may not be ready by the start of camp. now he might not be 100% by week 1. whats his status? is it his hand or shoulder thats holding things up? can you put our minds at ease?

Posted by: gibby1 | May 6, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Now thats inside info, thats the first time ever though....

Posted by: nonon | May 6, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

nonon, thanks for sticking around. your dreaming about this being the first time for inside info, but something must keep bringing you back.

as for the portis thing, until they see how much he plays in preseason, and how the shoulder responds to contact there is no way to know for sure. it'll be a waiting game and they will take every precuation in the summer.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | May 6, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Even though, as a Baltimorean, you should be an O's fan not a Sox fan, we've gotta love ya JLC.

I wonder if Saunders has been told he either gets to keep Collins or Blaylock on the final roster. The inclusion of one will appease him when the other gets cut.

Posted by: Joe The Fan | May 6, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

After last preseason, I hope they don't play Portis at all. He can get his reps at practice and start for the real games at 100%. Blaylock and Rock can carry the load for the bs games.

Hope you don't have any old school Clemens jerseys JLC. Have to believe you hate him along with the rest of Red Sox nation.

Posted by: cdubb | May 6, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

One other thing. Hope all of our boys from the U training down in SoFla have been working as hard this offseason as Warren Sapp. Saw that fat a*s lost 50 lbs.

Posted by: cdubb | May 6, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse


A friend of mine was on the same airplane as Santana Moss about a month ago. She said he looked fabulous. To quote her, he was "cut up." So, it sounds like he's been working really hard to stay in shape in the offseason.

Posted by: JustMe | May 6, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Soooo, does the Blaylock signing sound to anyone else like a precursor for a Betts trade? I know the Bills just drafted a 1st rounder and Chicago has Benson, but doesn't Oakland need a RB? Betts-Burgess straight up anyone?

Posted by: Tea Leaves | May 6, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Justme, great to hear that about Santana....he's my man!! My other man besides Springs :)

I was just thinking the other day about how much Skins fans love Santana (at least I hope I'm not alone in this). When he caught those 2 passes in the final seconds of the Dallas game 2 seasons ago, he became a fan favorite. However, the QB who threw him those 2 passes did not receive the same "love."

Posted by: Lisa | May 6, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Oakland has lamont jordan and dominick rhodes

Posted by: j | May 6, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Nope, you're not alone. Santana is fabulous.

My friend is so stupid. LOL She said she kept staring at him because she "knew his face from somewhere," but it took her halfway through the flight from Miami to DC to figure out who she was seeing. And, she's a season ticket holder (as well as her brother and mother, who's had tickets for more than 20 years). I told her she should be ashamed. LOL She said he's much cuter than he photographs.

Posted by: JustMe | May 6, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and Bush from Louisville. But, the two you listed have big questions and Bush is coming off of a major injury. I've seen crazier things happen but it was just a thought. If we want to deal a player, we have no other position of strength from which to deal.

Posted by: Tea Leaves | May 6, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Justme, I've always thought Santana was "cute" - he has those dimples going on.

Posted by: Lisa | May 6, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

yes betts and lets get us some d-line help. maybe betts and a 2nd OR 3rd for the bills dude. eveyone seems to be going to the 2 back sets, who do the bills have other than the rookie RB they just drafted?

Posted by: Hey-yo | May 6, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again with the crazy "trade Betts" statements.....please make it stop....we keep revisiting this over and over and over....

Posted by: Lisa | May 6, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, why is it "crazy" to think of dealing betts if we find another good back up in blaylock? We already have portis and desperatly need D-line help.

Posted by: Hey-yo | May 6, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Have to say I agree with Lisa on this one.

No way they trade Betts if there is a chance Portis is not 100% healthy or not 100% recovered. Picking up another RB for depth, also never bad to have some competition to keep those guys at the top of the chart hungry ...

Posted by: Paps in Manila | May 7, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I'd be willing to trade ARE for a D-line player like Schoebel. Also be willing to trade Rocky Mac for a proven DLINE player. Has anyone done a $$ analysis on ARE in terms of catches and run-backs, and TD's for the contract? I think he's underperforming... only slightly better than Lloyd..and team might actually be interested in paying him (that the kind of criteria needed to do a player for player trade).

Not willing to trade Betts or Springs, too much upside for both players if they can stay healthy. We really really need to replenish both lines soon, and the need at end or DT is pressing enough to spend a second rounder now.

Posted by: DTC | May 7, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say, feels pretty good to get a competent back like Blaylock for nothing after seeing the panicky Duckett trade last offseason... good to push Rock, remind Betts to hold on to the damn ball, bring a smile to poor Saunders' mug, etc.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I think Betts to Oakland is a force-fit, which means it won't happen unless the skins make an overly generous offer.
What does Buffalo need that we can offer? They drafted Lynch and another RB, so Betts is not the answer. They did lose Clements, and while Springs would not be a perfect fit, it might pique their interest -- although that leaves a gaping hole at #1 CB on the skins roster.

Jason -- the biggest question is, do the "people in the building" view RDT or LDE as the position that "must have" an upgrade?
I assume for the sake of discussion that Carter at RDE and Griffin/Montgomery and LDT are -- if not mortal-lock guarantees -- at least good enough to focus on the other two positions.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

And the reason I ask is that both Burgess and Schobel are both 6-4 260 lbs -- Carter clones. If that is what we were looking for, the draft had a couple of those guys available.

I would think that we want a DE with the size of Daniels -- 290, or since that's a pipedream at this point, at least 275.

And how are Daniels legs after the surgery? while I know everyone over 21 is considered 'old' by blog standards, I'm not worried about Daniels' age -- just whether we think he can start the year healthy.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Nate at the PX is right on. Get Blaylock and the Washington Hilton, for a song, sounds good to me!!!!! Lets stockpile some cheap depth, better than the panic day 1 draft pick giveaway we have all come to know and loathe...

I would say both will be on final roster. The J-E-T-S brought in Blaylock 2 years ago to be Martins replacement...

Posted by: chris larry | May 7, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Nate, see our Cats this weekend? Massive win! 11th highest score ever!

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Wait, did every single player on the team have surgery after the end of the season? Good grief.

Is anybody on the roster expected to be 100% for opening day?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I realize there's probably a blaw against quoting nother team's fight song... but these dudes play ball on the other side of the planet. I've excerpted this before, but bears noting given the tremendous Cats win this weekend...

We are Geelong, the greatest team of all,
We are Geelong, we're always on the ball,
We play the game as it should be played
at home or far away
our banners fly high, from dawn to dark
down at Kardinia Park!

So stand up and fight, remember our tradition
so stand up and fight, it's always been our ambition
throughout the game we fight with all our might
cause we are blue and white
and from when the ball is bounced, to the final bell

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd is 100% healthy......not that it means anything.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

At RDT, while I know there are a few people who think that Golston is an answer, I think he is a good second-guy-in-the-rotation. Maybe teamed up with Griffin, but at 290 lbs. he's giving up 20-40 lbs. on the classic DT size, and he's lighter than most of the LGs he faces one-on-one.
I wonder if a move to LDE would help him, more from size than ability.
Salave'a is 320, for example. That at least puts him on par with many LGs. Is he the odd man out?

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Geelong... is that some sort of tea?

We kid because we love, people...

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse


Good to see some of the night shift filtering back in, that weekend shift is a very negative bunch!

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Cload - Not sure if Golston has the speed to play end, who knows, he's probably been asked to put some weight on over the offseason, so we'll see what weight he is at training camp.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

F the weekend's nattering nabobs of negativism.

Hopefully Golston has been going out to eat with the fatties on the O line all offseason. That's the shortest route to hugeness.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Every once in a while, the a$$clowns take over, and you have no choice but to lie low until the shabingus dies down.

re: Golston... Here is his draft profile...


Golston is an athletic defensive tackle with the quick burst off the ball to consistently shoot the gap and get backfield penetration -- he pressures quarterbacks and disrupts runs in the backfield regularly. He has the playing strength to stack the point of attack vs. one-on-one run blocks and can clog the middle to disrupt inside runs and can jolt offensive linemen and drive them backwards into the quarterback's lap. He does a good job of getting inside the "Reach" block, keeps his blocker on his back/shoulder and can chase down running backs in pursuit. He has the quick feet/hands and agility to move quickly side-to-side to avoid blockers on the move and to adjust and make tackles well in space.


Golston has had injury problems throughout his college career and he is going to struggle to stay healthy in the NFL. He does not use his hands well to take on and shed blocks well and, if this does not improve, he will really struggle to be a consistently productive defensive tackle. Despite being a good athlete with very quick feet, he lacks the explosive closing burst to consistently finish plays he gets close to -- way too often, he pressure the quarterback, but does not finish and get the sack.

All that said, I have no idea what the distinct qualifiers between LDE and DT are, so I'm just throwing this out based on looking at height/weight. Someone could come out and say that looking for a bigger guy on the strong side is outdated thinking, and you need to have two 260-lb. blitzers to succeed in 2007.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

It'd have to be very different, playing at DT there would be quite a limit to your side to side movement, and it would mostly be straight ahead work, whereas on the end, you'd generally have a whole side wide open.

Just had a look at the weights of some of the better DE's in the league-

M.Strahan - 255
D.Freeney - 268
J.Taylor - 255
J.Peppers - 283
S.Rice - 268
A.Smith - 298 (3-4)
J.Abraham - 258
A.Schobel - 262
S.Ellis - 285 (3-4)
R.Brock - 274

So with the execption of J.Peppers, most 4-3 DE's seem to be around the 260lbs mark.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse


That scouting report on Golston sounds very similar to one I remember reading for Amobi Okoye (except for the injury issue - and Golston's big injury in college came via a car accident, rather than on the field). Maybe that is why they were willing to pass on Okoye in the draft.

By the way, I think Schobel is a RDE, just as Carter is. I'm not sure how he would do on the left side, and I don't know that he has played the left side before. Burgess sounds more versatile, but also sounds like more of a liability against the run.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | May 7, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Cload and Deezy, you're quip made me chuckle. I like where your head is at.

Nate, I'm working this weekend with a Dax Jordan, Portland native and Harvey's regular. Any file on him? Seems mildly choochtastic in a 'my camera has a racing stripe' kind of way.

As to skins stuff, one of the things that I get super annoyed about is this is a running theme every year. We sign these dudes off the street and they end up playing. We have depth in some spots but because we have no draft picks and overpay for so many players, we end up with Zack Hiltons starting in week 9. I like nice stories and its all sweet like skittles that a local boy is gonna make the squad, but hook me up with a real starter at every position and give me my parade.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 7, 2007 1:50 AM | Report abuse

The draft is still more art than science. Tom Brady went in the sixth round, but where are the Pats 1-5 picks for that year? I didn't staff out the answer to that, but I didn't recognize any of the names either.

Tom Brady makes a lot of marginal players into positive contributors. Old School has this nailed -- elite QB, solid coach, and a bunch of decent guys can get you to the playoffs. This is the big joke of the "draft success" stats -- when you measure things like Pro Bowls, you measure who was the hottest team in a given year. Example -- did the Chargers have like 11 pro bowlers last year? Guess they must know how to draft.... except for Ryan Leaf...

More art than science.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 1:58 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS, no intel available on a Dax Jordan. A friend of Mrs. Nate's goes out with Hollywood's Dax Shephard, and I think one of the characters on Deep Space 9 was named Dax, but that's all I got.

If you're getting a moderate-to-high chooch signal from this dude, methinks he's a chooch. Is his act funny?

(Note: I haven't actually been inside Harvey's yet, I just pass it on the bus every day. Waiting for a good excuse to check it out.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 2:07 AM | Report abuse

cload, I vote for more art, less science!


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this guy is the future monster in the middle of the D-Line. Check out his height and weight. (No, he isn't playing DE anymore, but he still has those rusher's ears.)

We need a blog scout to handle Europa.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | May 7, 2007 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Gracias Nate,

I haven't seen his act yet. Have only had a couple of forced convos with him, like Grilliams passing Saunders in the hall on a Wednesday night at 11:30 at the park after tiki ran for 230 on us and the O got 3 first downs...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 7, 2007 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Not that I would know, but doesn't he seem a little old to still be in NFL Europa?

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 2:26 AM | Report abuse

I dunno bout you, Ocho, but when Detroit cuts a guy, not so optimistic ...

Posted by: Paps in Manila | May 7, 2007 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Kost - there has been a running joke about Shaw since the day he was signed, although you may not be aware of it.. I was just adding my two cents to the joke.

Apparently it's his 3rd year in Europa - not a good sign for future success. Also, since his original stats were recorded by the NFL, he has also gained twenty pounds, lost an inch in height, and changed positions. (DE to DT) And yes, he is a little too old to be a rookie, but that is the way he is listed for the NFL, since he hasn't made a roster or played a down. Based on what we know, he has little chance to make the team - ever.

What we like best about him is his ears. It gives real context to an American football expression about defensive line rushers ("pinning their ears back" and going after the quarterback).

In any case, check out his profile at You can tell he is an important addition to the team.


Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | May 7, 2007 3:00 AM | Report abuse


An excellent point - I agree completely!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | May 7, 2007 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho -

Yeah I knew about his ears, he's what we'd call down here a bit of a "Chopper Read". I was just surprised when looking at his profile to see he's turning 29 this year, since I thought the players which normally would be getting sent to NFL Europa are young project type players.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 3:05 AM | Report abuse

From Fox Sports:

--Guard Kili Lefotu, a seventh-rounder in the 2006 draft who was cut last summer, made his third straight start for Cologne of NFL Europa last weekend. Defensive tackle Bryant Shaw had a sack and a hurry for the Berlin Thunder. Quarterback Casey Bramlet had a 92.8 passer rating for the Hamburg Sea Devils while receiver Cedric Bonner had two catches for the Rhein Fire.

Posted by: The Crickets | May 7, 2007 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | May 7, 2007 4:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey-yo, it's crazy to talk about trading Betts because Gibbs has stated REPEATEDLY that he is not trading him - and we have revisited this topic over and over again.

I may be wrong but I believe the reason they are "stocking up" on DBs and RBs is because they do not want to go through an injury ridden season like last year in those positions. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

(PDSquared)Just one post under this moniker;

It is more evident to me that Grilliams does not want to get sacks... every sack to him signifys one less chance for his D to get an INT or for Taylor to give him a woody by lamblasting a ball carrier.

Posted by: 2ndroundforschoebel | May 7, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Another question Jla;

Are you gonna post about the Grilliams Defensive 'change' to designate a FS and SS this year?

I am assuming that Landry playing closer to the line to help the run and then take a TE in coverage on passing plays is supposed to be what AA did last year but he kept getting burned by the fast TE's. In that sense Landry should be an upgrade with his 4.34 speed?

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Landry will be able to cover most tight ends in the league while running BACKWARDS.

Posted by: TT | May 7, 2007 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Landry could even cover a fourth wide receiver if need be. It's nice to have a versatile safety like that.

Posted by: Landry | May 7, 2007 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Blaylock is a decent addition, although he probably won't help the team much from the bench. It's nice to know he's there though, in case we ever need him.

Jla - you say D-line is the biggest problem, but most analysts last year were saying our D-backs were our worst problem. I would have to say with the loss of dockery, that our o-line is also a big issue for the skins. We don't have much depth there to be sure!!

Posted by: Max | May 7, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

True TT; My point exactly.

Max; I siad the very same thing a couple of months ago. Next years draft needs to address one of the Tackle positions and either the guard or center (I think Raback has played guard, so if he is not effective at center then move him and draft center; or vice versa)

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I think we lack depth on the d-line, but if (a big if) the starters can stay healthy for the entire season our defense will be one of the top defenses in the league. We will be a top 10 defense this year just with the upgrades at DB and LB.

Posted by: Max | May 7, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse


I would preface that statement that no Defense stays completely healthy. But if we stay healthy at the postions that have no depth, then we should be good. But of course the position where we are the thinnest seems to be the most injured, worn out during a game... etc. DLINE

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

L2 will hit you so hard your family will feel it. LMGO!

I just hope that the Reaper and L2 don't take each other out trying to kill the WR

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

jm220, there's got to be a Big Bang theory joke or something involving TheRon and Swoop colliding.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 7, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Whatever your opinion of the D line, the O line, the backup QB, the front office, the FedEx parking lot, or the price of beer in Hamburg, as a fan you GOTTA be excited about having those two monsters roaming the secondary.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Nate I am very excited. I wasn't going to give the Dan any more of my money but I got to get a L2 jersey if he brings the wood.

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

can't fix everything.

unless we make a trade for the guy from buffalo or burgess from oakland we aren't going to find a DE who can start. what we need to do is find a third down player to rush the passer. that player will have to be a scrapheap veteran ie (ron warner) remember him in year 1 or a undrafted ie (Chris Clemmons) or they see a rookie like Dallas sartz and play him in a one dimensional role for now. in other words find and keep the best 25 defensive players figure out thier strengths and play them in the roes in which they excell. thats would good defenses are made up of. we are not going to nor do we have to play great defense, we just can't be a bad defense or a bad offense for that matter

Posted by: Old School | May 7, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Get a jersey with the name "Alpha Omega" because Sean Taylor and LL are the beginning and end of all things.

Special emphasis on the "end of all things"...

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

guys just trying to be real. we hope we win it all every year but that we be almost unheard of from where we are . my real hope (for now) is that we become a consistent playoff calibur team 8-10 wins behind an emerging talent at qb. give me a year or to of that while we build the talent level up behind him.then we can start talkin'.

Posted by: Old School | May 7, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Speaking from my broken heart.

Do you think Blaylock was signed so they can see what they can get for Betts (or even Portis) in a trade?

I would not mind trading Betts for a quality DE because Blaylock was signed.

Posted by: John From Herndon | May 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Since we are talking about jerseys, I looked on ebay back before LA signed his jersey for release... and there are some seriously bad knockoffs.

The worst, which I actually saw a fan wearing at a game last year, was the quad number jersey. Apologies to anyone here who thinks its cool, but that Jersey with four numbers and then all the names on the bacvk (i think it was Williams, Monk, Manleyt and DG) are the WORST. Ugly, stupid and everything gross. Sorry, just my rant of the day,.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

John, please tell me your heart has healed at least a bit. It's May! Hope springs eternal.

Old School, your steady, reasonable perspective is always appreciated. I sure hope Campbell is the guy, the same way I hope the front office is right about their moves this season, hope London School of Economics becomes that sorely needed field general and stopper in the middle, hope the old dudes stay healthy, hope the secondary really is better and lifts the whole D... if I had a third hand I'd keep all those extra fingers crossed.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't comprehend the "lets trade betts for 19 first rounders and a DE, since we've signed Blaylock" school of thought.
Are people really that unintelligent?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 7, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

We really need to come up with a better name than L2. John great to see you back in the house. I say look at it this way. If we suck at least we get to enjoy the Reaper and L2 laying people out.

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX--

"He Nate Me?" I think you should go for it.

Rebranding should be simple -- not like changing Bell Atlantic into Verizon or Cingular into AT&T. Those were serious makeovers. Yours would be simple. Go three weeks as "He Nate Me in the PDX," three weeks as "He Nate Me (in the PDX)" then set up for good as "He Nate Me."

Problem is, "He Hate Me" was so transitory that when we're blogging this site in ten years everyone will be posting "He Nate Me? I don't get it. Please explain."

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse


Since Taylor is the Reaper, and since LaRon is the smaller version on the otherside and came from a French colony state of Louisiana, the Fench translation of the Reaper is LaMort


Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins can get a good DE for Betts, straight up, they should jump at it ... I'm not seeing the Bills or Raiders accepting that, though. Maybe they'd have to throw a pick in, maybe 3rd or 4th. So then - would the DE improve the team enough to make it worth it? What do people think?

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm with JLac, Schobel should be the guy over Burgess......I have said prefer that Will Smith would be amazing, but have also said that he is not a realistic option...

Burgess did say that he is not holding out, but just not participating because the camp is technically optional. He is more a pure pass rusher (ala Carter), and thus is not as good for us as Schobel. It would take at least a 3rd rounder to get Schobel though......

Posted by: Jon | May 7, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, this feels kind of weird.

I'm sticking with 'Lando' as a nickname for young Mr. Landry.

Posted by: He Nate Me | May 7, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

He Nate Me (in the PDX) --

Of course it feels weird. You're going cold turkey! What a guy. I'll bet you can't make it.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

There is no way in you know where we are trading Betts. After the way he played, and since Portis blocks like a beast, we will need his good vision through the line.

The one knock is that he will never break the big one. His burst isnt there. I saw numerous time last year where he got through the line up the middle and had just one guy to beat ten yards downfield and could not do it.

Portis in that space would be gone... except the fact that Portis doesnt set up his blocks as well and never gets through the line up the middle in that way.

Now if this is fantasy land, I still say no to that trade. We can give up a 2nd, possibly a 3rd rounder for schoebel. As long as he pans out, no one will be complaining about not having that pick next year.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Betts or Springs and a 3rd for Schobel would be a great deal for us. Everyone just dismisses that Betts had been hurt every year before last year and cost us two games (Philly and Tampa) by fumbling. 1,000 yard backs aren't hard to find anymore, 500 yard back-ups (which is what Betts is for us) are even easier to find. Springs is important but can't stay on the field. Get me a young durable quality DE for either of them and fill in from the June 1st cuts. There will be one or two decent corners available and a back up RB. There won't be any quality starting DE's available.

Posted by: Jack | May 7, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I just call him TheRon because, from day one, AMTTS and the Gov told me he was "The Truth."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 7, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Nate... is the name change official or just for fun?

Posted by: Dorf | May 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse


Last year when our primary RB was injured he was much more than a 500 yard back-up to us.

To find someone who could step in Game 1 and know the playbook, and rush as effectively he did is impossible. Just throw a 2nd rounder at Buffalo and call it a day. Leave the offer on the table. No other team will offer that much and seeing as how everyone thinks we will suck this year, the bills might think they are getting the 33rd pick in 08.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown Skins Fan I like that one better than L2

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Nate when are you hitting the NY area again?

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Betts is nowhere near the back is Portis is. His value will never be higher than right now. He is a slightly better than average high motor back and he isn't that young anymore. I'm not saying he is worthless, he just isn't unique and isn't irreplaceable. If you can get Schobel and keep your 1 and 2 in the draft they should do it.

Posted by: Jack | May 7, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse


I'm not sure Betts' trade value is as high as you think (exactly for the reasons that you'd trade him), but if it is, then you put it well: What would you rather have -- Betts or your first or second round draft pick next year?

I do think, though, that trading Betts would be a bad thing in terms of Redskins' credibility. He signed a contract with the 'Skins for less than he could have gotten on the open market just so he could stay with the 'Skins. Trade him, and you wouldn't find many others in the future who would cut the 'Skins a break.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You could get a good DE in the draft for a second round pick - of course, you get to let him learn for a year or two, and then pray he's a Pro-Bowl monster. I don't think I'd trade a 2nd for a DE unless he had several more years in him ...

Betts over Springs, methinks. You need more depth in corner, and even if Springs is trade-bait, I'd want more for him.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Springs trade value is virtually nil. His cap figure is way too high, and if he won't restructure for the 'Skins, he sure won't restructure to help them with a trade. He's waiting to get cut so he can get a signing bonus in June.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Good point, KK. Hadn't thought of that.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

more consistent offensive production, will be our defenses biggest improvement. it has to have been deflating to play defense with offense we have rolled with these last three years. Just as it can be deflating to play defense on a team with a bad offense, its an energizer to play defense when your offense can consistently score and move the ball.

the defense can get pushed around some if they can create turnovers and play well in the red zone. overall our d has to improve the big play area we need to make more and give up less. I don 't see this defensive being run on consistently unless our offense is again woe full. reason being most games will be played differently, meaning because if we move the ball consitently score early and hopefully often the other team will not be in a position to dictate how the game is played. over the last 3 seasons most of the time our offense either started ok and went to sleep or more often than not was non existent for most of the game then window dressed its way to some measure of respectibility (?) late, leaving the defense to hold the other team within reasonable stricking distance which ultimately they could not do. Those times for the most part when our offensive played like a nfl O you saw the potential the Gibbs/Saunders O could produce.we just really never were able to continue or follow through.campbell gives us that potential because he is and will be a better playmaker, and thats what its about. if he is able to distribute the ball to all parts of the field and make the occassinal play with his feet, then you will begin to see the full potential of this offense emerge and thereby helping an average talented d (?) maybe better if reaper and laundry are the dynamic duo play at a higher level

I am not sayn'

Posted by: Old School | May 7, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes, KK - I'm psychic.

No, I was referring to the effect of trading Betts after he gave the Skins a good deal.

I still think Springs is worth more to the Skins than that. If they can't get more for him, they should keep him.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think Betts will welcome a trade to a team where he can compete for a starting job. Who is at Buffalo right now?

Posted by: John From Herndon | May 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Broken-Hearted: Jamaal Lewis, and they drafted an RB in the first round: Lynch, Marshawn. Betts would be competing for Jamal for the start, in the knowledge that Marshawn would take over. I think he probably has a better chance of starting here ...

So, how's your heart? Healed a little yet?

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't do it, fellas. I think I'm stuck with this nickname. It'll do.

jm220, should be back in the Big Apple some time in the next six weeks. Will try to plan some kind of blog meet-up with you NY/NJ/CT folks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Gonzo, Jamaal Lewis signed with the Browns, didn't he?

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

KK - You're right. Duh!

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

what was with the invasion of the Kool Aid drinkers yesterday?

my favorite part was when they tried to pretend it wasn't an organized effort.

Anyway, back to back solid posts from the king non-kool-aid-drinker himself

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo signed Anthony Thomas as a FA, drafted Lynch in the 1st round and another RB in the 3rd or 4th round.
Their principal need right now is CB.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

From Pter King

Quote of the Week V

"He can hit you and hurt your whole family. Interception for a touchdown or put a guy in the hospital? That's a tough decision for LaRon.''
-- Hahnville (La.) High coach Lou Valdin, on his former defensive star LaRon Landry, the first-round pick of the Redskins, in Howard Bryant's excellent piece on Landry in Sunday's Washington Post.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Red Sox suck

Posted by: Yankee4life | May 7, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

JM 420-200=220,

Hear me out on my choice of L2 for my new favorite Redskin who I have coveted like a supermodel living across the hall from me since I witnessed him consuming the soul of that bama from bama last year:

I watched him run 35 yards and ruin that kid's day. The dude was terrified for the rest of the game.

It made me think. What else does that? The governor goes: 'The T1000 does that.' I go: 'good point bruh'.

Do I secretly think that LaRon Landry is made of liquid metal? Yes.

He is the 2nd Landry to make the pros (his brother on dem ravens dere hon) as Arnold was the first to come to our time, the 2nd model is vastly improved and nasty. The 2nd Landry, the T1000, the engineered machine, the 2 Ls, the hunting, the technical designation of L2...

I humbly re-submit L2 for approval.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 7, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Amtts: That video never gets old does it.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 7, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

LMGO! Damn ArtMonkToTheSticks you got to give a brother a warning. Water is all over my desk and my boss is looking at me all crazy. (he don't know he keep it up he will get the L2) Like a supermodel LMGO! Now that you explain it L2 sounds good.

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Coach Williams says they should move Springs to Safety and put me at Corner.

Posted by: LaRon Landry | May 7, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Mad, no it doesn't. I would be lying to you if I told you that it doesn't remind me of being the first kid in my neighborhood with all the constructocons. I was walking around with Devastator and they all were 'why is yours so much tighter than Bumble Bee?'

JM, fear not. If it comes to a confrontation with your boss, go Chapelle season 2 on him: 'Go make me a banana cognac b!tch!' He'll be disoriented for a couple seconds which should facilitate either a smack to the rear of his head or give you a headstart on running out of the building like bo jackson in tecmo bowl.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder why we all love the Reaper, and I think he should move back to #36. That Begals and Vikes game were his two best

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Great References AMMTS.... Constructacons were the shizznit.

Better line from chapelle is, "Check out how tron be livin, fo tha citay!"

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate's new name should be "Nate IPA".

Posted by: The Bartender | May 7, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should package some Taylor and Landry footage, put a nice bow on it and send it to all the wide receivers in the league. Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 7, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Fact: When LaRon Landry enters a room, the Imperial March plays.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | May 7, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse


This thread is on life support. Time for something new. Can't you tell us about the rookies who were at mini camp? What about the draft picks? Any good surprises? Who got signed and who got cut?

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

A scientific analysis of the draft:

Here is an article which describes the research. Sorry about the formatting.

Will Economists Whip NFL Experts Again on Draft?: Kevin Hassett
2007-05-07 00:11 (New York)

Commentary by Kevin Hassett
May 7 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. sportswriters analyzed the National Football League draft during the past week and quickly reached a consensus: The Cleveland Browns were the champs.

The Browns wowed the football establishment by choosing both highly regarded offensive lineman Joe Thomas from the University of Wisconsin and quarterback Brady Quinn from the University of Notre Dame on the first round. Yet while both players may well turn out to be outstanding, the opinionated
rankings aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Why rely on opinion when there is scientific evidence? The best available model of the football draft tells a very
different story: It suggests that the Browns' draft was only the 17th best out of 32 teams. The big winner: The Oakland Raiders.

To come to this conclusion, I relied again upon a model developed by economists Richard Thaler of the University of
Chicago and Cade Massey of Yale University. A year ago, I used their study to evaluate the NFL draft, and the results were amazingly on target.

On average, the teams that the model indicated had succeeded most in last year's draft won 2.25 more games in the
2006-2007 season than they had in the previous year. And the draft's losers on average lost 3.5 more games than they had the year before.

So if you really want to know which club is going to improve the most next year and which ones will fall back, you
should tune out the sports geeks and tune in to the economics of football.

So Simple

How does the model work? It is devilishly simple. Thaler and Massey found in their research that NFL teams make
systematic errors in their valuations of players in the draft.

They place too high a value on picks near the top of the first round and too low a premium on players in the lower rounds.

The problem isn't that the players at the top are bad, it's that they seldom outperform their salaries. Since every team in the league has the same salary cap to work with, the only clubs that create winners are those that load up on players whose performance exceeds their earnings.

If you select a running back in the later rounds and pay him $500,000 a year and he plays at a level normally associated
with a $5 million-a-year veteran, then that player has given the team a ``surplus'' of $4.5 million. It is the teams with the biggest surpluses that gain the most.
To make this insight operational, Thaler and Massey sifted through mounds of data and estimated the expected surplus from each position in the draft. They found that the surplus was actually highest for teams in the second round. They base their projection on the historic performance of players in the draft.

Biggest Winners

Using a back-of-the-envelope version of their model, I calculated the expected surplus in the 2007 draft for every NFL
team, based on their picks in the first three rounds.
The results? In addition to Oakland, the biggest winners in the draft were Atlanta, Detroit, Carolina, Miami and Tampa Bay.

Interestingly, Oakland and Detroit were hamstrung with top picks; Oakland picked first overall, and Detroit second.

But the management of these teams shrewdly maneuvered to stock up on later high-value picks as well. Oakland also had the
38th, 65th, 91st and 99th selections, giving them five in the first three rounds overall. Detroit did the same.

The six biggest losers contain some familiar faces, and one big surprise. They were, in order, Washington, New England,
Houston, Seattle, Dallas and the New York Jets.

The Washington Redskins repeat as the worst loser of the draft. They squandered valuable later picks and left themselves
with only one selection, a relatively low-value choice near the top of the first round. If they keep this sorry performance up, the model is going to end up implying a negative number of wins for the Redskins. Even they, as incompetently managed as they are, will be unable to accomplish that.

Penalty on Seattle
Similarly, Seattle foolishly gave up a late first-round pick as compensation for having acquired receiver Deion Branch
last year -- and are paying Branch a salary that's likely to
vastly exceed the value of his performance.

The New England Patriots, a team that has demonstrated in the past a clear understanding of the economics of football,
surprisingly also appeared in the loser column this time around. The Patriots not only traded their picks for established
veterans like storied receiver Randy Moss, but exchanged other draft choices for selections in next year's draft.

That means they will likely show up as big winners the next time around, which will help them in the long run, but the 2007-
2008 season will disappoint Patriots fans.

The Problem With Veterans

The problem with pursuing established veterans is that their salaries are set in a competitive market, so they are paid
in a manner commensurate with their performance. Hence, they deliver little surplus.

Economics can be a glorious field when it works, and seldom does it work better than the Thaler and Massey model did last
year. The odds are, the winners and losers of the 2007 draft will be the winners and losers again next year in the regular

(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the
American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He
was chief economic adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of
Arizona during the 2000 primaries. The opinions expressed are
his own.)

Posted by: beat cal | May 7, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I like L2, makes sense. Lando is good as well, but he needs a more imposing name. Like the Reaper (Meast, coined by M Washington is a great nickname for Taylor... Man Beast.)

We should be able to come up with some good monikers based upon the fact that he goes through walls, hits like a frieght train.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

KK, isn't this J-La's daddy day at Camden Yards?

Hope he doesn't suck back too many Natty Bo's to drive home safely, hon.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I want to call him "Double Vision", 'cause that's how you'll be seeing the rest of the game, Terence "how many fingers am I holding up" Owens...

Also plays well with Double Move...

Just remember,
Trainer: What's your name?
TO: Terence
Trainer: How many fingers am I holding up?
TO: Eighteen or so
Trainer: Close enough...

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Can someone scribble this note in Gibbs' copy of the Bible?

The Problem With Veterans

The problem with pursuing established veterans is that their salaries are set in a competitive market, so they are paid
in a manner commensurate with their performance. Hence, they deliver little surplus.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

That rant was lame. The person used this formula that the economistss published last year and loosely associated it with his calc's.

He said "Why rely on opinion when there is scientific evidence?" but then at the bottom says with the caveat "The opinions expressed are
his own."

"Using a back-of-the-envelope version of their model, I calculated the expected surplus in the 2007 draft for every NFL
team, based on their picks in the first three rounds. "

What A nimrod. To say that you cannot get good surplus out of vets is just plain stoopid. And his comment about the 'incompetent' Skins FO shows his bias.

And this guy is the 'DIRECTOR of economic-policy studies at the
American Enterprise Institute"?

Wow, this country is in trouble.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Of course, what this 'scientific' analysis is demonstrating is that the draft is more like the lottery than like picking teams in the old neighborhood, where you know who the best players are year in, year out.
Which means, like the lottery, you only have to get lucky once.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

your points notwithstanding, what he said about the near-impossibility of getting a good deal on a FA player is very true.

FA players rarely out-perform their price, and frequently under-perform.

drafted players, on the other hand, (especially first day picks) are FAR more likely to out-play their cost and become extremely cost-effective.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, we do have a pretty much incompetent front office.

One playoff win in 7 seasons is pretty much the definition of incompetence, especially given how much money is being spent.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the article (and how dry it is), but this point is extremely accurate and is one reason the Redskins spend so much and win so little:

So Simple

How does the model work? It is devilishly simple. Thaler and Massey found in their research that NFL teams make
systematic errors in their valuations of players in the draft.

They place too high a value on picks near the top of the first round and too low a premium on players in the lower rounds.

The problem isn't that the players at the top are bad, it's that they seldom outperform their salaries. Since every team in the league has the same salary cap to work with, the only clubs that create winners are those that load up on players whose performance exceeds their earnings.

If you select a running back in the later rounds and pay him $500,000 a year and he plays at a level normally associated
with a $5 million-a-year veteran, then that player has given the team a ``surplus'' of $4.5 million. It is the teams with the biggest surpluses that gain the most.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Top tier FA might not outperform their salaries, but if Blaylock were to become our star running back, then there is surplus.

He over generalizes facts.

But drafted players under perform their contracts based upon the crapshoot that is the draft. At least FA have a resume to base on.

Its like hiring a kid out of college and thinking he is the next Donald Trump. Versus hiring his #2 to replace him. But if you hire Branson to be Trump, the payoff is not likely.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

No need to rush on a nickname for Laron. Just like The Reaper/Meast before him, his teammates will coin a term that completely suits him. I imagine they'll have something for him by the end of their first week in pads. :-)

Posted by: JustMe | May 7, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The model is interesting, certainly not gospel. Keep in mind the author of the article is not the author of the study and the disclaimer about the opinions runs on all columns.

Regardless, it confronts one important reality. The salary cap means you must look at value not just ability. You must maximize over the salary cap. The study argues you do that better with middle round draft picks. Seems to coincide with what a lot of people here are saying.

Posted by: beat cal | May 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

He also does not take into account Risk avoidance. Betts new salary will most likely not be outplayed. But if Portis goes down, and then he is number 1, then he might.

Its like insurance. No insurance is worth the money paid, until catastrophe strikes. It is unlikely, but you need to protect yourself so you are not left holding the bill.

But what if Portis goes down and there is that 500,000 dollar player who doesnt do S...

That Blaylock makes vet min and rushes for 2 ypc, 700 yards that still might outperform his salary, but we sure aint winning with that %.

So the coorelation coefficient is not 1:1 as he claims it to be.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I really dont give an S... what this guys says.

Been a long day, stressful at that, and his little incompetent comment ticked me off.

So I needed to have some fun breaking his balls.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 7, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Betts seems to be one of the best contracts on the team (Value as a player / cost). As you say, backups matter. Everyone matters. You just have too many guys whose value as a player doesn't justify their salary...

Posted by: beat cal | May 7, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I happen to know Kevin Hassett and while I like him as a person, I don't see any real correlation between football and economists.

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about Kevin Hassett's economics is that he says, flat out, that the best draft value is in the late rounds, but he bases his "back of the envelope analysis" on the first three rounds. Well, duh, Kevin.

Okay, Nate, you're right. Jason's off duty, watching the Orioles. He was leaving the stadium at 3:00, so he should be well on his way home and talking on his cel to get the stuff posted about the rookies. 4:30 at the latest. And, I think your one-time-only "He Nate Me" wasn't a fair trial. Even Kevin Hassett would have gone three rounds with it.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

KK, 4:30 at the latest????
Jason subscribes to the Douglas Adams theory:

"I love deadlines... I particularly like the whooshing sound they make as they go by."

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor hit Kevin Hassett so hard his demand curve shifted to the right.

Econ jokes are simply impossible.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, Kevin Hassett co-wrote a book (with Jim Blassman) back in 1999 entitled "DOW 36,000 : The New Strategy for Profiting from the Coming Rise in the Stock Market"


Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

economic theory is not a good way to predict wins and losses nor would it make you a good GM. but the economic world certainly has some theories are very relevant to running a sports team's front office.

Top tier FA might not outperform their salaries, but if Blaylock were to become our star running back, then there is surplus.

That's precisely the point. The likelihood of that happening is very low. The likelihood of any free agent out-playing his salary is a fraction of what it is for a drafted player to do so.

signing free agents creates no value. at best you get what you pay for, at worst you get burned badly (archuletta, lloyd, etc.)

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Several people have asked about the Redskins receiving a pick for Dockery. I don't think from this that we will be getting a compensatory pick for him.... at least not a pick of any significance (read 7th round)

COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS: Compensation awarded by the league to teams who lost more UFAs than they signed. Compensation is in the form of extra draft picks added to the end of rounds three through seven. The quantity of picks is equivalent to the difference of UFAs signed to UFAs lost. For example, if a team loses 4 UFAs and signs 1 UFA, they will receive three Compensatory Selections. The value of the picks is determined by the difference of the contracts signed by the players lost and those acquired. The highest possible compensatory pick is the 31st of the third round (91st overall). If a team has signed an equal number or more UFAs than it lost, no "Compensatory Picks" are awarded.

Posted by: dante | May 7, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

blaylock good 3rd back and he did start som games for the Jets last year in fact the first 2 and he and the preist had 4 t.d's each against the falcons one year and Hilton is a BEAST for NO last year. hell fight for a spot with Ecker and yoder but will easily make it----easily u no jason.

Posted by: brandon H | May 7, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Lisa,

Here's an idea. Why don't you contact your old bud, Kevin, send him a link to the comments above, and ask him to do a guest blog analyzing the 'Skins draft?

Tell him we'll take up a collection and buy him a Laron Landry jersey. Or, since the better values are in the lower rounds, we'll get him a Jordan Palmer jersey.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the blanket statement that "established veterans... deliver little surplus." How much surplus did Jeff Garcia deliver for the Iggles last season?

It might be unusual, but you can definitely find unexpected success stories among lower-tier veteran signees, just as you can among lower-round draft picks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Start with Colorado State tackle Clint Oldenburg, who will be among those on hand this weekend for Patriots rookie camp. The fifth-round selection should treat his older brother to dinner following a moment of prescience in the days before the draft. It turns out that Lee Oldenburg, being a Patriots fan despite living in Colorado, wanted to get a feel for where his brother might be drafted. So he e-mailed the experts at and asked if there was any shot of Clint coming to Foxboro. "I admire your honesty with all player evaluations," he wrote, "so please don't hold back." The response read in part that "his chances of getting drafted are slim," but he "does possess the qualities New England looks for in its offensive lineman projects, so signing him as an undrafted free agent isn't out of the question." The Patriots did better than that, snagging Oldenburg with the 171st overall pick. "

Vinny Cerrato's way does work, just not with us.......

Posted by: ES | May 7, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, Nate, there are individual examples for almost everything. But broadly speaking, free agents rarely out-play their cost. And when you're the Redskins and a massive majority of your players are free agents, you're asking for trouble.

It makes it very hard to create extra value elsewhere.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 7, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I did not realize that was how the Compensatory Picks worked. We will never get any with how our FO operates.

Another option possibly for starting LG:

Fins consider trade for Jets' OG
Posted: Monday May 07, 2007 07:36AM ET
The Dolphins have contacted the Jets about a possible trade for left guard Pete Kendall, a source confirmed Sunday. The possible deal is considered a long shot because the Jets are leery to trade with another AFC East team. However, the Jets are reportedly thinking about releasing a few veteran players, including Kendall. He would be free to sign with any team if he were released.

Posted by: cdubb | May 7, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys know that Mark Brunell will not be able to throw until Training Camp in July AT THE EARLIEST...

If my theory is correct - he would be cut by then.......

Posted by: ES | May 7, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

All team bias aside, Meast is a horrible nickname. Sure, it's supposed to be a combo of Man and Beast, but honestly, what comes to mind is Moist and Yeast. Stick with The Reaper!

Posted by: SMACK | May 7, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. 'Meast' has the same effect on me as 'Red Lancers' had on Lisa.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Smack is right. Death by infection doesn't cut it.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 7, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Adam Smith and Milton Friedman never knew LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor. Otherwise, these brilliant economists would have clearly described the "Marginal Propensity to Run in the Opposite Direction".

Posted by: Otter | May 7, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a toss-up on the issue of compensatory draft picks.

Players Acquired

--LB London Fletcher: UFA Bills; $25M/5 yrs, $10.5M guaranteed.

--CB David Macklin: UFA Cardinals; $760,000/1 yr, $40,000 SB.

--CB Fred Smoot: FA Vikings; $21M/5 yrs, $7M SB.

--SS Omar Stoutmire: UFA Saints; $720,000/1 yr.


--OG Derrick Dockery: UFA Bills; $49M/7 yrs, $8M SB/$18.5M guaranteed.

--RB T.J. Duckett: FA Lions; $1.5M/1 yr.

--LB Warrick Holdman: UFA Broncos; terms unknown.

--CB Kenny Wright: UFA Browns; $625,000 SB, other terms unknown.

--OL Jim Molinaro: Not tendered as RFA/Cowboys; terms unknown.

Other Players Lost - No Compensatory Benefit

--S Adam Archuleta (traded Bears).

--S Troy Vincent (released).

--WR David Patten (released; post-June 1 designation).

--TE Christian Fauria (released/failed physical).

--PK John Hall (released).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Inside sources report that among the terms of the Holdman deal were a ham sandwich and not laughing out loud.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Was Holdman allowed to select the condiments on said ham sandwich or did he have to take it as it was served?

Posted by: cdubb | May 7, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I heard the guy who was carrying the ham sandwich sauntered right past Holdman and 'didn't even notice him.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Holdman has that move down of letting people cruise on by with little regard. The sandwich courier probably thought he was with the grounds crew or an equipment manager.

Posted by: cdubb | May 7, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I actually like the nickname, Dirty-Dirty, from the article

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I cannot make this stuff up: the restroom in my office has been redecorated in what can only be described as an homage to our great rivalry.

The tiles in the men's have always been white, blue and silvery gray. (Perhaps it goes without saying that I have no qualms about the occasional splash 'out of bounds'.) Now the wall sections above the tiles have been painted -- I kid you not -- burgundy and gold. This aesthetic mismatch is such an abomination that it almost has to be intentional, right?

Also, I saw a homeless guy in a wheelchair wearing a Skins jacket the other day, here in Portland. Hard to muster up any pride when you see a homeless dude repping your team.

Two curly-W Nats hats spotted in Portland this past week as well. I don't know what this means, and this show of support sure as hell isn't creating any wins, but I love it.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I read that Holdman is in the front running to be the starter at Strong-side LB. How does that work??

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

How does that work, kost?

Just as each team can allocate developmental players to NFL Europa, each team can set aside some of its starting positions to veteran players who clearly have not demonstrated their ability to play. The Skins have been committed to this program for years.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I just got a chance to watch the L2 clip. The funny part is when the guy is talking about the hit. "That's just evil right there'. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | May 7, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I read that Holdman is in the front running to be the starter at Strong-side LB. How does that work??

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 06:28 PM

Ref: Harris, Walt, ca 2006 season

Wouldn't that be something?

Posted by: skinswest | May 7, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Makes you think a little doesn't it. I always thought the Broncos had a great set of linebackers. We played him on the Weak side yeah? Maybe we just played him out of position?

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Nate--The homeless guy with the 'Skins jacket -- it wasn't Michael Westbrook, was it?

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The penny just dropped! I now understand exactly why the Broncos signed Holdman, and why he is starting!

He used to play for the Browns!!

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Joey T was interviewed today at a charity event. He says the Skins will contend this year....just how far they go will depend on Jason Campbell. He says we will not be a 5-11 team. But then again, I think he said last season that we would have a great season....and we all know too well what happened.

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Ahmad Carroll was cut by JAX today. He was arrested last night - drugs found in his car. JAX wasted no time cutting him.

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"QB JaMarcus Russell fumbled another snap, adding to the three in his Raiders debut Friday, but he kept his rookie moments to a minimum by the end of a three-day mandatory minicamp in Alameda."

Sounds like a great start hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The Blaylock signing clearly signals that CP is not healthy and the FO is concerned about his recovery. He didn't impress me with the Jets, but as a change of pace back who's not asked to carry 20 times a game, he could be ok. He also experienced some success with Saunders in KC. Maybe we'll use him more effectively than Duckett? Cartright can't be happy about that signing...Maybe JLC can get a few words with Rock?

Posted by: Rich in Tampa | May 7, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Being deep in Gator/SEC country, the overwhelming sentiment is that Russell will be a colassal bust. If anyone thinks Cowboy fans are obnoxious, try Gator fans. My wife is one, God bless her soul.

Posted by: Rich in Tampa | May 7, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

could the blaylock signing portend a possible Betts trade? Would that even fly given the reality of the salary cap?

If Blaylock can play, why not take a flyer on trading LB for draft picks that can later be leveraged into a DE? How's buffulo doing on running backs?

sorry if you guys already beat this one to death over the last few days . . .

Posted by: SkinsFan@8KaboveMSL | May 7, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

That was a good post about the low number of draft picks and the effect it will have. It makes sense.

When Allen went for free agents he fleeced the Rams and some other teams. He got Diron Talbert, Mo Pottios, Richie Petitbone, Rosey Taylor, Jack Pardee, and Billy Kilmer. Yet he was able to use existing talent such as Hanburger, Fischer, Bass, Owens, Brundige, Sistrunk, and McLinton. On offense he changed very little except the scheme.

That doesn't happen anymore. Unless your owner happens to be Dan Snyder, Al Davis, or Bill Bidwell.

The draft is the only safe and reliable way to rebuild your team. Free agents should be acquired but their numbers should be low and they should be selected carefully as Snyder's past history has shown.

Posted by: periculum | May 7, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

John (WI): Rumor on ESPN is the Bears are putting Alex Brown on the trading block. What do you think they could get in return for him?

Jeremy Green: No more then a 3rd in the off-season. Look for Washington to be at the front of the line. I love the Landry pick, but this is the same defensivr front that managed a mere 16 sacks last season.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse


Snyder made his initial money selling spring break vacations. He knows no more about football than a fantasy football league manager. Gibbs may be a top 5 head coach in NFL history, but he had Beathard getting him the players. When we build our team like a fantasy team, we get let down every year. The draft is how teams build winners and stay cap healthy. Maybe we'll realize that one day!

Posted by: Rich in Tampa | May 7, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Betts is one of the few draft picks that panned out. And that is the other problem. Low round picks that never make the team. You have to keep Betts. If anything they should trade Portis. One thing about Landry he is also a hedge against future contract negotiations with Taylor.

Posted by: periculum | May 7, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

We NOTE that both Beathard and Casserly are no longer employed. Beathard had his chance and Snyder was going to sign him. Probably fell through when Snyder told him that Snyder would continue to be involved at some level. Beathard had mixed results with San Diego. Without the acquisition of 'Skins QB Humpheries a complete failure. AND WHO developed Humpheries into an NFL QB? JJ Gibbs. Casserly was a complete flop in Houston. The 'Skins may need a new defensive coordinator, perhaps to replace Vinny and the scouts. Gibbs offense continues to improve both
in terms of youth and stability. He makes use of the players he is given.

Posted by: periculum | May 7, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Please read the above posts and the post before that and the post before that re: Betts. Please no more Betts trade talk!

On that note: Jason was on Washington Post Live today and he said Blaylock is basically a "safety net." He will be not be getting a tremendous amount of carries...will not be the #1 OR #2 back. Jason also repeated that the Skins love Rock and he most likely will still be the return man - Rock is the epitomy of a "core Redskin."

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying bring back Casserly or Beathard, but we need someone other that Snyder's "YES MAN" in Cerrato overseeing the scouting and player development in the GM capacity. Maybe Gibbs tries that after he steps down as head coach in a year or two. After the ESPN article, it doesn't seem like Grilliams is the next in line to replace Gibbs?

Posted by: Rich in Tampa | May 7, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, no more posting for me until I get a chance to catch up on the thread. . .

man, you folks are quick on the trigger . . .

Posted by: SkinsFan@8KaboveMSL | May 7, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Lisa -

Nobody listens do they!

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Huh? What did you say?

Posted by: charlie | May 7, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking the same thing Lisa. If I ever read another post with "trade Portis" or "trade Betts" it will be too soon.

Posted by: cdubb | May 7, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

It's funny, when I come in during the morning and start re-reading the posts, whenever there's mention of trading Betts, three or four posts later, there's one with Lisa re-iterating the fact that it's not going to happen. She's the voice of reason. Hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

You have to love Chad Johnson -

Bengals receiver Chad Johnson doesn't talk trash just to opponents, he does it to his teammates, too. The Bengals are holding a rookie minicamp this weekend and Johnson made sure some of the top newcomers know who he is, placing an autographed football card of himself and a hand-written note in the locker of first-round draft pick Leon Hall, a cornerback from Michigan. The note read: "This is as close as you'll get to touch me. God bless."

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

People please,please stop speculating this whole "Portis,Betts,Blaylock" issue...Portis is our starting Running back and Ladell Betts is our 2 string back they both will carrie the load and Blaylock is just insurance incase Betts or Portis goes down...But if the don't go down then Blaylock is Just going to be a special Teamer and he might run 3-4 times a game, Stop the Speculating

Posted by: Alexander | May 7, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the Bulls/Pistons game. That dude Sweetney who went to G'town plays for the Bulls and has morphed into a Tractor Traylor type. And the Bulls are embarassing themselves again.

Posted by: cdubb | May 7, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

uhhh, does anybody on this blog attend meetings at redskins park with the coaches? you sure would think so the way some people spit off opinions as if they were facts. some people on here act as if just b/c a coach says he likes a player, they won't trade or cut them. some people sure do sound stupid on here with their know-it-all attitude.

Posted by: Mr. Wendall | May 7, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Hi, My name is Steve and this is funny

Posted by: Steve | May 7, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

nate, you out there lets talk about the signs

Posted by: connskins | May 7, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Wendall--

You're insightful. Yes, we all attend meetings with the coaches.

Blog with us a while, and we'll try to get you an invitate, too, assuming we get to like you, of course.

When we get to know you better, can we relax a bit and call you by your first name, Mr. Wendall?

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Wendall - I understand what you're saying, and no I don't attend meetings at Redskins Park. But I'm almost certain Betts won't be traded and here's why. At the end of last season, in which Betts had a break out year, he re-siged with the Redskins, for quite a modest contract, forgoing the opportunity to test the free-agent waters, and try for a big contract and the opportunity to start somewhere. He did this because he wanted to remain a Redskin. The Redskins have had problems retaining players, because they want more money, what kind of message would it be sending to the player group, if someone who made sacrifices to remain on this team, was then made expendable. They would want to encourage this type of act, rather than abuse it.

The reason people in here get frustrated about these type of trades being brought up over and over again, is because they seem to be thrown up because they work in Madden, without the person taking a few seconds to think about the things that Madden doesn't take into account, such as a player's character, and team chemistry.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse


Look, this is a forum for anyone (unfortunately, even stupid, arrogant, etc. people) to post. Generally, we would like to keep it for fans who like to articulate intelligent thoughts that they would like to express. We all like to think that we have some insight that others might like to read.

If you don't like it, just read the articles and don't read our entries. Duh. Take the good with the bad. Do the personal insults on another forum.

Posted by: charlie | May 7, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Wendall,

It's not going very well for you. I don't think you can come to the meeting with us tomorrow. Why don't you try the Marc Fisher blog -- I think you'll feel more comfortable with people like yourself.

Posted by: KK | May 7, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

But where are the trolls?
There ought to be trolls!
Quick send in the trolls.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 7, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Kost52, I agree totally with your above comments - and that is exactly why I keep affirming that Betts is not going anywhere...I may be wrong but it would be shocking to me. And a Blaylock signing is certainly no indication that Betts is being traded.

Another reason that we "know it alls" get upset is because this topic is brought up over and over again. How many times can one revisit it?

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Be more creative Mr. Wendall

Posted by: Arrested Development | May 7, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

You're joking right? How many times can you revisit your crush on Springs? How many times can people bring up whether or not to trade for Briggs or trade down in the draft? That's what this blog is for - to throw out your ideas/thoughts. Don't be so hypocritical - if you don't like the idea of trading Betts then state it - you don't have to berate the guy. Maybe the guy just logged on and doesn't refresh the blog every 15 minutes like some people. Chill out.

Posted by: Tom S | May 7, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we should trade Portis or Betts to Detroit for Cory Redding.

Posted by: Hugh Jass | May 7, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to take a moment to talk about what a colossal mistake it was to let Antonio Pierce go. I mean, come on, people, can we talk about that for a few threads? Jeez, what a mistake that was. If we could ONLY do that one over. *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Tom S - I know what you're saying, no one here wants to chase off new posters, after all we were all new posters at some stage.

I'm sure that in the next day or so more posters will bring up trading Betts again, so don't you think that it's better that someone points out that there is plenty of trading Betts discussions in previous posts for them to compare their ideas to, rather than having people who are over talking about it ignore their post all together? Wouldn't that make them feel even less welcome?

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Nate, was it so much letting Antonio Pierce go as it was him going? Fred Smoot admitted his own mistake.

Posted by: Grinning | May 7, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree that a lot of ideas posted are tiresome - during slow times this is the ultimate dead horse beating blog. If people followed your advice and didn't post because people already have stated the same thing what would be the point? And it would make for some pretty low numbers.

Posted by: Tom S | May 7, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I must admit you SO CALLED REDSKINS Fans are nuts. We need to trade this pick for this person or we should trade this person for this person. None of you in this discussion know how to run a team or a defense or offense. I have been a fan for 20yrs, with all the disappoints from this team I will never say all the things you guys say. This team went the playoffs in 2005.Get a life people and let this football season happen before we judge this team

Posted by: Damone | May 7, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Damone -- we have four months and 50,000 posts until the season starts. There isn't enough cocaine on earth to sustain Hamster Nation through the long, dark tea-time of the soul.
But feel free to spend the summer sippin' whiskey and come back in September when we can start the judging. In the meantime, we'll be here on the HabitTrail, mainly trying to trade Betts.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

nothing beats snorting cocaine off some hotties tig ol bitties!

Posted by: justyou | May 7, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I think I remember this movie, was it called Attack of the Chooches? Yeah, and it sucked the first time I saw it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Tom S -

Easy! When you get to that point you just revert to making up Sean Taylor one liners!

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

What about "La-La Land"-ry, because that's where he puts his opponents.

Posted by: Grinning | May 7, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

So Nate, how's the new place going?

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I just had an awesome idea for a trade. We could trade Portis or Betts along with JC to Kansas City for LJ and Trent Green. We'd have a great chance to make the superbowl.

Posted by: ho fo sho | May 7, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

mugamack, I'm tossing back a Caldera right now. For some reason this brewery in its infinite wisdom has decided to distribute its 'store-boughten' version in aluminum cans, versus those tapered, cylindrical glass vessels some of the other breweries are using these days. Very strange.

It's probably not the only microbrewery going Al, but it's the first I remember seeing. And for the record, it's not as good as it was from the tap. Big surprise, I know. You'll have to make a trip up across the border sometime and have the 'real thing'.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

kost, the new house is pretty great. Feels like the little chores will never end, but that's how it is in an older place.

The two-year-old is getting comfortable and sleeping well, Mrs. Nate is feeling good (after a rough first trimester of brutal all-day-long morning sickness, things have settled down), and our escape artist dog got loose but came right back after a sprint around the surrounding area. Life is good.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Reading between the lines and with my contacts to some folks inside, staff are concerned about CP's long-term prognosis.

Put bluntly, it ain't Betts they're thinking of getting rid of; try CP. Both health and attitude-wise, coaching staff think they're in for a long season if he's still on the roster.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | May 7, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, right, 'tana.

Posted by: Grinning | May 7, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we need a new post. I'm going to take a moment here to sing the praises of Mrs. Nate's dad, a retired contractor who's visiting for a week and totally crushing the hard stuff. Electrical work, stuff like that, for which I have no aptitude or interest. He's a goofy old codger, and can't seem to speak a sentence without a profanity, which is nice around Nathan Jr., but he basically rocks. He's kind of a Joe Bugel character.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Montana, where do you get this stuff? Come on, dude, Gibbs himself referred to Portis as the 'bell cow.' And he wasn't being ironic.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Back to the d-line...while I agree that players like Schobel would be a huge upgrade, I definitely don't think we should trade future picks for such players. As others have pointed out over the last several days, we had a top 10 defense two years running w/o a stud d-line.

I'm not saying we should ignore our problems. To the contrary, I think we need to add functional players. Forgotten in all of the discussion is the fact that 4 of the folks we count on to play d-line have not been functional for all intents and purposes (Griffin, Daniels, Salave'a and Wynn). They either stink or are injured. I really think young hungry guys with just a little bit of talent will be more productive than the last three on that list. They can be had through FA college signings, June 1 cuts or the lower rounds of the draft. *gasp*

Why the Skins didn't use either of their last two picks on such a player is beyond me. Maybe they've hired a miracle doctor and discovered the fountain of youth in the cobwebs between Daniels and Wynn's ankles.

Posted by: Tea Leaves | May 7, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

No really. I have a cousin on the inside who changes the water cooler bottles. He definitely says Coach Gibbs is working a deal with the Dolphins to get Culpepper and some draft picks for CP. Seems the 'fins don't want Ricky Williams as anything other than a backup RB. My cousin could've picked up more but he was so intent on listening that he spilled one of the big jugs all over the floor, causing Gregg Williams to slip and fall. He's probably going to get fired so I'll lose my 'source'. No matter; he was an idiot anyway.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | May 7, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear Nate, I've recently had a potential Ms.Kost move in, and it was hell just with her stuff, I'd hate to do an entire move.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

So kost, Sheriff, you dudes Down Unda, if it's getting really nice here in the northern latitudes it must be getting cooler in Oz. It just occurred to me that that means the Australian football season begins in the end of summer, just like the NFL season. Duh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

That's right Nate, we're having big troubles with water at the moment, here in Victoria our water stocks are below 30%, so it's good to get a bit of rain.

They don't wear any pads in Aussie rules, so playing in the summer, on the harder grounds would cause way too many injuries.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

now that is pure comedy - love this blog

Posted by: RBD202 | May 7, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear new posters. You will find that just as in Lord of Flies, some posters on this board think they are part of some special hierarchy of blog leadership with the job to weed out and eat the weak and uninformed. They call on their own for reassurance {like wolves or Coyotes}, share special humor, and feel better when they belittle others, even fans of the same team. Nate PDX, LISA, and others are Alpha Bloggers. Anyone they don't adpot in the pack are then referred to as "trolls" "chooches" or generally dismissed as not in the know, particularly if a subject comes up that they have already "weighed in on", like a Betts trade for example. In some instances they may offer free pearls of wisdom or fatherly/motherly advice to the novice Redskins blogger, akin to the way you might disdainfully tell a child how to wipe snot from the nose.

Additionally, they step up like an army of barney fifes when anybody challenges the Andy Griffith of the Blog, Jason LaConfora.

"You listen here, you people that challenge JLA!" howls Alpha-Nate-Dog- fife. Alpha DOg Nate and his fellow knights of the realm keep it real and keep the bandito posters from muddying up the kings bloggy highway.

Stick around, It's all part of the fun....

Posted by: Blah-Blah | May 7, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

kost, that made me think of how delightful it used to be when a bunch of the NFL teams shared home fields with baseball teams, and you'd see professional football players battling it out on the infield dirt.

Not sure whether there was any special injury risk -- everything paled next to first-generation Astroturf -- but there was something so deeply wrong about seeing NFL games being played on bare dirt.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I resemble that remark.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Okay, okay, Blah-Blah, I will admit that my chooches comment up above was a bit overreactive, premature perhaps, but definitely in the wrong. My apologies to anyone who might have been offended.

But you can check the record, pal. I have in general tried to be welcoming to people who join the conversation and don't attack other people or J-La. I was once upon a time a new guy up here, too.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Bit harsh hey!

At the moment Nate, all the local suburban Aussie Rules Leagues are on hold, until more rains come, it's just too much of a health risk to be playing in these conditions. The only reason the AFL is going, is because grounds are shared, and these bigger grounds have their own water storage facilties.

Posted by: kost52 | May 7, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Nate and Lisa - the First Couple of RI
What would Mrs. Nate think? Mr Nate in law with his Bugel coach's shorts might take his crescent wrench to the back of Nate's head.

Posted by: RBD202 | May 7, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"an army of barney fifes"... LMGO

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 7, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

The army of Barney Fifes is brilliant. Barney Fifing my guts out up here. Barney Fifing it to death.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 7, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know what a Barney Fife is!

Posted by: kost52 | May 8, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

New post

Posted by: kost52 | May 8, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Barney Fife -- The bumbling deputy of the Andy Griffith show, an iconic glimpse of rural America in the 1950s.
It is not a flattering statement, but like all good jokes has a core element of truth.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 8, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I apologize if I have offended any new bloggers...or any old bloggers for that matter. Certainly did not mean to do so.

It was just that the question "is Betts being traded?" has been coming up ever since the season ended. Seems like it is brought up several times on the same post.

Personally, I will not be addressing it again - even if all of you ask the question again tomorrow..or the next day...throughout the season. So ask, trade, cut away.

Posted by: Lisa | May 8, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Here...Lets start over from this point


Posted by: Mo in CLE | May 6, 2007 07:41 PM

"If dolla bill isn't full-go for Week 1."

Uh, is this a hypothetical thing, or is there still concern about CP's health?

I would have hoped he would be 100% or darn close to it by now...

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | May 6, 2007 07:45 PM


How did the rookies look? Any pleasant surprises?

Posted by: KK | May 6, 2007 07:54 PM

A positive post from you JLC. Good work my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | May 6, 2007 08:22 PM

Thanks to whoever announced the new post.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 6, 2007 08:23 PM

The Skins are making some pretty nice moves. I hope they continue upgrading the D-Line.

Posted by: OC Skins | May 8, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

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