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Take It from the Very Top

Sally Jenkins has been watching the Washington Redskins for a looonnng time and has come to the same conclusion that many of you have: This team's problems start at the very top. You don't have to look back at Daniel Snyder's 10 years of ownership to figure that out; this year will do.


The Fertile Mind of Dan Brown

It has come to Dan Steinberg's attention that the most exciting part of Dan Brown's bestseller "The Lost Symbol" is the fact that he has the Redskins in the playoffs...deep in the playoffs...in a home playoff game deep in the playoffs...

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By Cindy Boren  |  October 1, 2009; 6:43 AM ET
 
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Comments

FIRST to say this is stating the obvious.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 1, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Funny that even that Redskins thing has not given me the tiniest bit of interest in reading a Dan Brown book...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 1, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I SECOND what Ken said...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | October 1, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nate, that's just a sign of inherent sanity

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nate, that's just a sign of inherent sanity

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 9:54 AM

No, not enough sex.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Redskins and Orioles fans such as myself, it seems futile to keep hoping for overall changes

Posted by: funbot | October 1, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Redskins and Orioles fans such as myself, it seems futile to keep hoping for overall changes

Posted by: funbot | October 1, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow. We all may hate Sally Jenkins, but she seems to have convinced the vast majority of fans that Dan Snyder is THE PROBLEM. What a persuasive writer she is! Before I read her column this morning, I thought Brownwood was THE PROBLEM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Listened to the Lavar and Dukes show on the way home from work yesterday. They had the Tampa Bay beat writer on and he said the Bucs are confident they can win. We are now the new Lions folks.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Before I read her column this morning, I thought Brownwood was THE PROBLEM.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

...and I thought it was Barno.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

It appears that we, as fans, have a keen awareness of the obvious!

Posted by: Spanglerg | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I for one disagree with most folks. Is Danny Boy a bad owner? Yeah. Do I hate paying out the butt for tix that I can't even give away now? Yeah. Does it suck that he screwed us with the tailgating policies? yeah.

But... I think most of the stupid football related decisions come from Vinny and Danny just supplies the cash. I think the reason that this team stinks right now mainly falls on the hunched shoulders of one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: HenryHog | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

lmao

If a tree falls in the forest...and no one is there to hear it...

..does Stephon Heyer still block the wrong guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6dGw0w7E_8

lmao....

@2:00 on gets hilarious

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 9:01 AM

'Remember I talked myself into Orakpo? Well......I talked my self back out'

DS - That is me all the way. We should have gotten Cushing! A REAL SAM! He's doing his thing, along wit Curry, but we had no chance at him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Remember back in the preseason when we signed Haynesworth for a bazillion dollars, and D Hall for half-a-bazillion and then used all of our draft picks on D including some all-world destroyer named Orakpo and the reasoning was that this new D would create lots of turn-overs, score some points of their own, create great field position for the O so it could score more points, dominate the game, sack QB's, blah-blah-blah-blah.

What ever happened to all that?

Posted by: edvar | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

They had the Tampa Bay beat writer on and he said the Bucs are confident they can win. We are now the new Lions folks.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM |

Based on that? The Redskins are confident that they can win, too. So that makes the Bucs the new Lions. We're the new Raiders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

for those just joining us, check out the photo's on this link:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301745

jc, needs to learn to look elsewhere.....like the open guy for example, that'd be a start....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

...and I thought it was Barno.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM

Close. Barno is THE PROBLEM with RI. I read that in Sally Jenkins column. Before then I thought it was zjfr2.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

props to twisi for the link......

as a competitor, shouldn't you be confident that you can win?? I mean, versus being confident you can lose?? I don't get that..of course the other team is going to be confident they can win....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What ever happened to all that?

Posted by: edvar
++++++++++++++++++

What happened is Blache mentally retired and sucked all the life out of our defensive players in the process.

Posted by: REXskins | October 1, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Based on that? The Redskins are confident that they can win, too. So that makes the Bucs the new Lions. We're the new Raiders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I was a bit vague....I mean teams see us on the Schedule and they say "this is a game we can win" Kinda how we all looked at STL, DET, KAN, CAR, OAK, on the schedule. Maybe if we were the Colts, but there are no easy wins for this Redskins team.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

the pictures really do tell it all

Posted by: connskins | October 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

They had the Tampa Bay beat writer on and he said the Bucs are confident they can win. We are now the new Lions folks.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM |

Ivan Carter said on WaPo Live yesterday that he had "visited" the Bucs blog (or website) and that the Bucs fans are even more livid and irate than we (Skins fans) are. I find that VERY difficult to believe. Ivan said the Bucs fans want the coach fired and the players released, etc.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Who hired and keeps Ceratto around year after year with the same basic terrible results? Snyder has had a huge impact on ruining this once proud franchise turned laughingstock.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 1, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I checked out those still photos someone posted on the last thread. You can second guess all you want over who was open and was not. (It's easy to blame the QB when you can freeze the play, scratch your head and slowly try to figure out the best place to put the ball.) The most telling thing about those photos is down and distance. One play it's 3rd and 10, the other is 2nd and 20. Both of those situation are obvious passing downs with defenders laying back and waiting for the ball. So it's kind of hard to get things done in the passing game when everyone knows what you're going to do.

Posted by: mack1 | October 1, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

for those just joining us, check out the photo's on this link:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301745

jc, needs to learn to look elsewhere.....like the open guy for example, that'd be a start....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey Bean -- just wondering...from the pics it definitely looks like JC missed some open guys on a few plays -- but don't you think it might not be so obvious unless we were able to see it on film in real time? The pics might be a little bit deceiving...

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Great post w/ the image breakdowns.

I would say 'very illuminating' but most of us see that every game. It is VERY nice, however, to have some visual evidence to show the Soup-ade drinkers.
__________
On a slightly related topic:

Y'all remember how they did college games on HD a while back - where they gave you a boatload of camera angles you could choose from on the same screen?

Would LOOOOVE to have that on NFL HD...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Well, you can back to 2007 (maybe even 2006) and a very well reasoned column by Boswell, after we scored maybe 3 turnovers the whole first half of the season.

Boswell made the case that turnovers were mainly a matter of chance, and that statistically, we were ready to run into a regular Tsunami of Turnovers.

If he was correct back then, we should be about ready to start averaging about 5 turnovers collected per game right about now.

Wonder if Boswell still holds that same theory?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

How are the Jets beating quality teams with a rookie QB and we're still trying to focus on the details? Enough is enough with this team, stop talking and play like you want to win. Swagger my arse...you need to go out there and hit somebody in the mouth and keep hittin' em until they give up. Swagger is earned. Hail you slackers.

Posted by: Smiley2 | October 1, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The Jets are exactly what we should be. They have a strong defense, good running game, and pass when they need to. Their defense forces the other team off of the field and their run game chews up the clock. Sanchez hasn't even broke 300 yards in a game yet. They are scoring points because their defense is setting them up with good field position and a lot more oppurtunities.

Jets offense vs.
Tennessee 16 drives 24 points
New England 12 drives 16 points
Houston 11 drives 24 points

Was offense vs.
NYG 10 drives 17 points
STL 8 drives 9 points
Det 10 drives 14 points


You can try to blame our offense for not being better but our offense is performing at their expectation. The defense has had 4 of our last 5 first round draft picks and almost a quarter billion dollars invested in it in the last 5 years. They should be one of the best defenses in the league. Our defense needs to be better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 1, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

beantown, et al

"...props to twisi for the link..."

The photos also show what some of us have said for two seasons: Campbell's tends to throw 'upfield'.

Because of this, teams drop a 'backer to create and additional cover guy--thus, his habit is to throw to guys surrounded by coverage.

The solution?: rub-offs, pick plays, using 'bunch' formations, and play action to Portis that forces the 'backer to choose to stop a draw or cover.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I would hope the Skins let it all hang out this weekend and play like a team thats desperate to win. Blitz on D and Throw deep on O. Mix it up with the players and get some new blood out there. I just don't think it will happen.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Ivan Carter said on WaPo Live yesterday that he had "visited" the Bucs blog (or website) and that the Bucs fans are even more livid and irate than we (Skins fans) are. I find that VERY difficult to believe. Ivan said the Bucs fans want the coach fired and the players released, etc.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 1, 2009 10:09 AM

That's nothing. We want to fire the coach, the players, and GM, and the owner. We're madder. We also want to fire Ivan for not recognizing our anger as the angriest anger.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

PA, seriously?

We put 9 points on one of the worst teams in the league and it's the D that needs to be better?!

Sorry - not buying that one.

The D's problems stem from the inability to score points consistently.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I blame the french.. then snyder.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 1, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Ivan Carter said on WaPo Live yesterday that he had "visited" the Bucs blog (or website) and that the Bucs fans are even more livid and irate than we (Skins fans) are. I find that VERY difficult to believe. Ivan said the Bucs fans want the coach fired and the players released, etc.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I think Raheem Morris, Mangenious, and Zorn are all about equal on the hot seat with fans.

Zorn might be the first to go just because of the ownership, but I wouldn't be surprised if all three lost their job at the end of the year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 1, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, T_E, there's all that, plus I get the feeling that more than a few folks would like to burn the stadium down.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What's a blitz?

What's a screen pass?

What's a bootleg?

What's a kickoff return past the 25?

What's a deep pass?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 1, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The solution?: rub-offs, pick plays, using 'bunch' formations, and play action to Portis that forces the 'backer to choose to stop a draw or cover.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Yes, yes, and a hell yes!! I do think they'll try to get the play action going by running CP into the ground over the next few games.

Posted by: TWISI | October 1, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Well, T_E, there's all that, plus I get the feeling that more than a few folks would like to burn the stadium down.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 10:17 AM

See what I mean? I bet the Bucs' fans aren't going to burn down their stupid stadium with the gunboat. Grrrr, we're MAD!!!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

There's only one man who should be on the sidelines, wearing the headset and guiding this team to victory. A proven leader, a proven warrior. A man with experience both as a player and HC. You can talk about all the other "prettyboy" possibilities, but this team needs the commanding presence of Mike Ditka.

Now, please excuse me as McMurphy and I need to get our cigarettes back from Nurse Rached.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 1, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"...We are now the new Lions folks..."


Well, the lions have Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson, Pettigrew, and a quarterback who can make all the throws.

Wait another season, and that might not be a bad comparison.

For us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Based on that? The Redskins are confident that they can win, too. So that makes the Bucs the new Lions. We're the new Raiders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

We're not the new Lions.

We're def on the track to being the new Raiders -

Once proud and successful franchise being driven into the ground by bad ownership - check.

Screwing up the draft - check.

Sigining expensive FAs and watching them underperform - check.

Coaching carousel - check.

At least the Raider fans can blame Al Davis's senility; what we're seeing from our guy is SOP.

All we need now is for Zorn to break Jerry Gray's jaw.

Posted by: p1funk | October 1, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

DAN SNYDER, GET YOUR CERRATO OUT OF YOUR @SS!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | October 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The thought of losing to the Bucs, one of the bottom two or three teams in the league, at our place, coming off that ugly loss to the Lions, just turns my stomach... or maybe that's the weapons-grade Starbucks coffee they give us here in the office.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

matty, those pics are what they are, sure its a case of Monday Morning QB, but, DT was open....I mean, he was open, and was open close to the sideline..so if he caught the pass, he could step out of bounds, and stop the clock....jc threw not to the open guy, but to the covered guy, because it was familiar....thats hard to look past...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

PA, seriously?

We put 9 points on one of the worst teams in the league and it's the D that needs to be better?!

Sorry - not buying that one.

The D's problems stem from the inability to score points consistently.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the red zone playcalling killed us in that game. We only had 9 points but we had almost 400 yards of offense. Now go look at the Lions game. They had the ball for 22 minutes in the first half. The Giants did the same thing. Face the facts. JC was a late first round QB and we moved up to take him. He was supposed to be mediocre. The offenses line has been neglected in favor of the defense. Our running back is near the 2,000 carries mark. We put too much into our defense for it not to be dominant.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The pics show that Campbell still does not know how to read a defense. Pathetic!

Its a good think that Vinny selected Orakpo over Michael Oher. The QB pressure he is getting is game changing. It would be terrible to have a guy who could play LT or RT that is absolutely dominant and being considered for rookie of the year. I guess being stacked on the Oline made it an easy decision.

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 1, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Dan Brown droolz


Snyder is the root cause

(anytime i hear 'root cause' now i think of the great line from The Sopranos where Carmela and Tony are in marriage counseling and Carmela says in answer to question "How about you sticking your dcik in every skirt as a root cause")

but that can be fixed if he has epiphany to hire a proper football VP/GM staff and build a system. I know that seems unlikely....but far more likely than him selling OR Vinny being any good.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 1, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If these miserable excuses for teams decided to trade uniforms at halftime I'm not sure any of us would know the difference. And because this will be a suckfest, there's no way it will be a Replay Game on NFL Network so we'll have to watch the whole gawd-awful thing. Looks like chicken wings will, AGAIN!, be the highlight of my afternoon.

Posted by: DCV1 | October 1, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Along the lines of freeze frame video/photo….did anyone get a look at the Lions TD from the 1 after Horton’s PI penalty? Not be all sour grapes, and they prolly woulda punched it in anyway, but I thought the runner’s knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line? I didn’t get to watch it in slo-mo or anything, and the announcers didn’t say anything looked fishy, but it really ticked me off that they didn’t show a single replay…..I’m not looking for a conspiracy theory or anything, just thought maybe they could have shown at least one single replay to deny my first reaction.

And to echo someone else’s thought; this team is just soft, soft, soft. No passion, no drive, no desire. I don’t care about swagger; just play whistle to whistle like your job is on the line. I don’t think a single player on the team feels like their job is in jeopardy, except maybe Reed Doughty. If everyone on the defense played with his focus and energy, they would have something good. A bit more aggressive calls by Blache wouldn’t hurt either.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 1, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeh. Good thing our line is so awesmoe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

OK fine, I won't mention any team names, but we may be bottom 5 in the league. Look at all the power rankings. It makes me sick.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

THAT ALL SAID

REDSKINS 27- BUCS 10!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | October 1, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is certainly the main cause but he's also the easiest fix. He spends money in an effort to win, he's too stupid to pull it off but eventually he may realize if you can't swim you stay out of the pool. If he hires a competent GM and gives him autonomous decision-making authority or gets one of the big name coaches and gives them total control I'll forgive and patiently wait for the probable 2 or 3 year rebuilding to take place. IF he simply fires Zorn and Cerrato stays anywhere near in charge of anything besides making sure the hotdogs are hot on game day then I'm done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 1, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

InRealAmerica, I was in Salem, OR, a little while back and drove past the old hospital where they shot "Cuckoo's Nest." Looks just as awful as it did in the movie, or maybe even worse since it's been sitting vacant all these years.

I'm right with you in the sentiment that it feels like we're all in the loony bin harboring visions of what could be for this team...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"I do think they'll try to get the play action going by running CP into the ground over the next few games."


Not to scheme you to death, but how many play action plays can you diagram off the 'stretch' play?

Run draws with Portis and pound Betts behind Sellars--play action off that will break any linebacker down over the course of a game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

matty, those pics are what they are, sure its a case of Monday Morning QB, but, DT was open....I mean, he was open, and was open close to the sideline..so if he caught the pass, he could step out of bounds, and stop the clock....jc threw not to the open guy, but to the covered guy, because it was familiar....thats hard to look past...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah don't misunderstand I'm not saying the pics are wrong or anything...I'm just saying it would be cool to be able to see it on film to factor in what kind of pass rush JC was up against -- if it was a hurried throw, if there was another defender not in some of the shots who we couldn't see, etc. I'm def on the bandwagon tho that JC17 needs to be quicker in his reads and find the open man, even if it isn't -- God forbid -- Moss and Cooley...

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Fedor had it right. We're the new Lions, especially if we lose to a pumped up Bucs team.

Posted by: pgugino | October 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

uh, yeah. we suck. that's established.

...what gets me, is how so many pundits were ONCE AGAIN hawking this team. Everything I heard from pre-season was pretty dismal, yet folks touted the talent as impressive. And while the praise all hinged upon 'what ifs' nobody really came out (except our Mayor, kudos) and said - the 'what ifs' are really 'whens' and 'when' was game one!

Fire Zoron. Change Vinny

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

zj, what do you mean by "done"?

Posted by: pgugino | October 1, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Though, I generally dislike Sally Jenkins' writing, she is spot on with this column. This goes hand in hand with what I've been thinking/saying for a while now.

The owner fancies himself a personel guy and surrounds himself with people who allow him to endulge in that fantasy.

Until that changes, nothing else will.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 1, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

We will be in the red zone no doubt. We were in all the games. We need to capitalize. Thats the bottom line, thats the main weakness of our team. We choke when it counts. Red Zone and 3rd down. As far as I'm concerned thats all Zorn needs to emphasize in practice.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Answer to the poll question is actually, "All of the above."

While it's easy to hate on Dan Snidely and his lead sycophant Vinny Boy for failing to instill a culture of results oriented performance and accountability -- JZ, JC and da boyz ain't exactly set the world on fire now, have dey?

What really bugs me though is that for every London Fletcher or Chris Cooley type of guy who actually goes out there, puts it on the line and plays with some heart, there's a dozen others who only show up to collect and cash their checks ... and that latter group includes the likes of the so-called star players like JC, CP and Fat Albert.

--

PS -- On another subject: What's the latest buzz on Holmgren and Shannahan? After all the speculation yesterday, I would've thought that at least one enterprising beat reporter from the WAPO could get through to some primary sources and break it down for the readers.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 1, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

All of this misplaced anger, it's almost comical. Only 3% voted for the players being responsible for the play on the field, hard to believe so few people can see this.

Dan Snyder did not make Cambpell fumble and throw a pick in week 1. Dan Snyder did not make Mike Sellers and Devin Thomas drop TDs in week 2. Dan Snyder did not throw a 50 yard pass interference flag or pick up a legitimate facemask penalty that hurt the Skins in week 3.

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

ml, 10-4, I getcha now......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Great email I just got from a buddy of mine:

"Washington Redskins football practice was delayed on Monday for nearly two hours at Redskins Park. One of the players, while on his way to the locker room, happened to look down and notice a suspicious looking, unknown white powdery substance on the field. The Head coach immediately suspended practice while the State Police were called in to Investigate. After a complete field analysis, the Va. State Police determined that the white substance, unknown to the players, was the goal line. Practice was resumed when the Chief Inspector decided that the team would not be likely to encounter the substance again."

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

zj, what do you mean by "done"?

Posted by: pgugino | October 1, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I mean that screw it, its not worth following and caring as much as I do as long as Snyder and/or Vinny have a say in how the team is run. I will always root for the skins but I'll be darned if I'm gonna go to games or follow every play and spend my time on here blogging. Sunday I was watching the game, another Sunday afternoon of frustration/anger/embarrassment and I'm looking out the window at halftime at kids playing and people enjoy a gorgeous day realizing I could be out golfing or any of a number of fun things instead I'm sitting on the couch screaming at a television for 10th year in a row. Its getting old.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 1, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone here has listened to George Michael on WIse program. He had a bunch of great stories about Snyder and Gibbs and why he sees the team as a failing franchise. He made me feel bad for Vinny Cerrato, and even Dan Snyder and Gregg Williams.

I recommend that everyone get the podcast of this interview when it goes up.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 1, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

alex give us summary points....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 1, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"for those just joining us, check out the photo's on this link:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=301745

jc, needs to learn to look elsewhere.....like the open guy for example, that'd be a start...."


If every other game film received this type of treatment, I guarantee you would see the same things in every game across the league.

If his completion % wasn't the best it's been in years, this would be relevant.

Quit reaching for ONE single thing to blame for this crappy start.

It's the whole thing.


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 1, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Talking about changes in the Redskins ownership/Management is as futile as a bunch of hippies talking about stopping global warming. We can only hope Dan figures it out that he and his butt buddy don't know squat about football or personel and hire someone who does. Fat Chance.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 1, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I mean that screw it, its not worth following and caring as much as I do as long as Snyder and/or Vinny have a say in how the team is run. I will always root for the skins but I'll be darned if I'm gonna go to games or follow every play and spend my time on here blogging. Sunday I was watching the game, another Sunday afternoon of frustration/anger/embarrassment and I'm looking out the window at halftime at kids playing and people enjoy a gorgeous day realizing I could be out golfing or any of a number of fun things instead I'm sitting on the couch screaming at a television for 10th year in a row. Its getting old.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 1, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I felt the same way after we blew the Rams game last year....somehow I just had this feeling we were gonna tank during the 2nd half of the season...I always tell a friend of mine when it comes to the Redskins that "I've read this book before." I know the chapters and basic plot line, and how it ends. I still root for them and want them to win badly, but not shocked when they don't...

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

All of this misplaced anger, it's almost comical. Only 3% voted for the players being responsible for the play on the field, hard to believe so few people can see this.

Dan Snyder did not make Cambpell fumble and throw a pick in week 1. Dan Snyder did not make Mike Sellers and Devin Thomas drop TDs in week 2. Dan Snyder did not throw a 50 yard pass interference flag or pick up a legitimate facemask penalty that hurt the Skins in week 3.

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Does Dan Snyder pay you to post this? If so how can I get in?

As far as blaming the players, who employs the person who makes player personnel decisions? Who hired and continues to employ a coach whose game management has actively lost games? DAN SNYDER

Notice every other choice in the poll is somehow connected to Dan Snyder.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone here has listened to George Michael on WIse program. He had a bunch of great stories about Snyder and Gibbs and why he sees the team as a failing franchise. He made me feel bad for Vinny Cerrato, and even Dan Snyder and Gregg Williams.

I recommend that everyone get the podcast of this interview when it goes up.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 1, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Alex, what did George say about Gibbs?

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Blaming JC is getting old. We know the offense is moving the ball. We are 7th in yards per drive. We have trouble in the red zone. We are 25th in points per drive. Our defense regardless of total points, sucks. You guys only look at total points and ignore the fact that we let teams drive all the way down the field and ultimately score on us. The other team has the ball 2/3 of the game yet we blame JC. Our defense is ranked 26th in yards allowed per drive. On average our defense gives up 35.50 yards per drive. Luckily though our defense tightens up in the red zone. We are 11th in points per drive. Instead of simply blaming JC for everything do a little digging. Analyze the numbers and you will see what the real problems are.

#1 We do not stop opponents on third down.(ranked 26th in yards allowed per drive) This is not acceptable for a defense with a quarter billion dollars and 4 out of our last 5 first round draft picks invested in it.

#2. We do not score TDs in the red zone.(ranked 25th in points per drive)

This is Zorn's fault. Zorn needs to stop running left.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 1, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM

So the buck stops everywhere but the owner's office? Come on Barno. He's been through like half a dozen coaches and countless players and the results are always the same: mediocre. He hires the guys (Vinny) who hire the players. Why can't you see this?

Posted by: mack1 | October 1, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

yod, I don't get how pointing out that JC missed open guys, driving for the winning touchdown, and instead threw it to covered guys, isn't relevant...again, I'm not saying he's the root cause of the issues we're having, but look at those pictures...thats some sobering evidence that maybe JC needs to be doing more.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse


We'll let you know when the team starts winning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 1, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

All of this misplaced anger, it's almost comical. Only 3% voted for the players being responsible for the play on the field, hard to believe so few people can see this.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM |

Barno,

Go back and read the question that the poll asked: "Who is responsible for the state of the Redskins?" It doesn't ask about "play on the field."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 1, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Alex, what did George say about Gibbs?

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

@ the buffalo game, when Gibbs called the 2 timeouts, another coach was telling him to do it the 2nd time and how gibbs took the wrap.

Had a story on how Snyder made a mistake from the get go, buying the team and never hiring a PR guy to help with his image.

He said Vinny is a good guy and that he is just weird socially but knows how to evaluate better then people think gave him all the credit for the horton pick. Has no clue how to network.

Said he told Snyder right after the hire, he would regret hiring Martty and that by pre-season guys in the FO hated Shotty.

It was like listening to a rambling grandfather, who no longer cares to be PC and has seen every detail of the inside of the Redskins for the past 30 years. In short it was a must hear. (I am going to re-download it myself tomorrow when its up.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 1, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

For the record I voted Vinny Cerrato.

I think if you solve the Vinny Cerrato problem then you can begin to solve the other problems the franchise has.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

For the record I voted Vinny Cerrato.

I think if you solve the Vinny Cerrato problem then you can begin to solve the other problems the franchise has.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

same here, and agreed

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 1, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"thats some sobering evidence that maybe JC needs to be doing more....."

Bean, come on man. You're reaching. The scrutiny over the QB position is frickin nuts.

You want perfection. You are not going to get it. It just comes off as whining over single plays in an entire game. I mean if you want to do that, why don't you take some snap shots of Sellers leading for Portis on the goal-line??

That just seems ridiculous to me.

The whole team played like crap and got beat by a crappy team.

Stop over-analyzing.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 1, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The only thing I need JC17 to do more of is find the door out. Take Zoron with you. And Smarmy Cerrattoo.

saionara. buhbye. Cya. L8.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator, that's a fair point...but I would argue that "state of the Redskins" in many people's minds means the 1-2 record. And who is responsible for the 1-2 record in my opinion? The players.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Seating question for anyone how can help! I can get some tickets for pretty cheap, section 401. Thing is, I haven't sat up in the upper level in a while. The tix are for row 24. How many rows are there in each section? Basically I'm just trying to find out how high up the seats are, specifically if they're closer to the front of the upper level or closer to the back. . .

Thanks in advance for any info.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | October 1, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

yod, I disagree, and for the record, I posted something from the times stating that Sellers had missed the guy he was supposed to block yesterday.

I don't want perfection....I want the qb to hit the wide open guy...especially want the qb to hit the open guy on game winning drives....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but selecting Snyder is really "all of the above" because he is unwilling to delegate. Ownership's enthusiasm for this team is suffocating it.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 1, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeh - you could say that it's Snyder's fault that Cerrattoo is F'n it up. But I put it on him too.

Then again, there are those reports (that no one, *ahemWaPoahem*, is checking) that it was actually Zoron who panned on JC & not upgrading the O Line...

I guess the buck does stop at the top... but for me VC is the most culpable. (ible?)

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 1, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"...Blaming JC is getting old..."

How so?

It's his contract year.

Didja ever think that maybe a guy who can't win a game with his legs, arm, and mind might not be deserving of an extension?

I do.

Again: put Campbell on an 8-game leash.

What do we have to lose if we keep losing?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Even super-sunny Chris Paul is predicting the sky to fall with a loss to the Bucs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbBrNm6vCxg

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 1, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

tacos', I'm gonna be closer to the field sitting in my living room in Massachusetts, than you'll be.......KIDDING!! Have fun at the game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How so?

It's his contract year.

Didja ever think that maybe a guy who can't win a game with his legs, arm, and mind might not be deserving of an extension?

I do.

Again: put Campbell on an 8-game leash.

What do we have to lose if we keep losing?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 1, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


Campbell was taken 25th overall and when we did that we left a lot of people scratching their heads. Campbell was projected to be a mid-second round pick. He was projected to be mediocre. He's not some top 5 pick like Jamarcus Russel. The cold hard truth is that JC is actually performing better than he should be. He is the 10th best QB in the league so far this year. He is expected to be ranked 15th. We don't have a great QB because we didn't draft a great QB. We drafted defense instead. Why all the outrage for a QB that's exceeding expectaions yet no outrage for the #4 ranked defense from a year ago being ranked 15th right now?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 1, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"I don't post up here to show off any writing skills." - DMV


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That's for damn sure.


Posted by: shaunsherman12


XXX late night post, so I'm kinda late.

What da fucc is that supposed to mean to mean homeboy?

Damn, is a nucca on top or what? Every body takin' shots at the throne... Chill no need to gun for the dude head... I got five kids to feed...

Who the f is shawn sherman?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse
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I AM SHAUN SHERMAN BIOTCH. You better ax somebody. That's with a U, too. Get off that "w" garbage.

lol...

Hey, I saw an opportunity for a one liner, and I took it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 1, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Ha, thanks beantown. I've sat up there a couple times and always really liked the view, but I was also typically right at the front of the upper level. I'm sure it can't be *that* bad . . . $50, probably worth it.

I'll remain optimistic that they'll give us somethign to cheer about this week, too, and hopefully many more to come. . .

Posted by: TotallyTacos | October 1, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Blaming JC is getting old...particularly because its not the root of our problems. Last year he was part of the problem because the team could not move down the field and there were far too many three and outs. JC has been moving the team they just cant get in the end zone. Its not his fault receivers cant get open and are running routes short of the first down marker. The fact remains the defense cant get off the field. It doesnt matter how many points they arent allowing. They arent getting turnovers and you cant score if the defense is always on the field.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 1, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Tom Boswell is chatting right now, if you want to talk Redskins with him:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/09/24/DI2009092404041.html

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 1, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure, Tacos, that if you sign a 3 year contract for Club Seats, someone will upgrade you for Sunday.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I didn't realize there was any debate over this question. Guess there are people within the Redskins building who read this blog and vote something other than Snyder, although i can see someone arguing that Snyder spends money and it's Vinny's fault for not evaluating talent. But I just feel like Snyder tampers and tries to play GM, thus not allowing Vinny to truly do his job.

(Note i am not letting Vinny off the hook here, i do blame the "yes-man" as much as the CEO.)

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 1, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

As of right now none of this matters to Snyder. He is the envy of every owner in the league save for Jerry Jones. He Has a full stadium. He has a pocket full of money, and most importantly the Skins have financed his other businesses during an economic downturn as well as, given him the opportunity to garner clout in DC (through donations to the Republican Party) Sure if he lucked up and won a championship he'd be happy but he has been able to fool you all for 10 years to spend your hard earned dollars on a product that is inferior.

I applaud you Mr. Snyder!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 1, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

very first question on the boswell chat has a guy complaining about having to pay 10 bucks to eat a burger at the stadium....this type of idiocy makes me crazy.....like someone is twisting this moron's arm up behind his back to buy the food in the stadium, or he's too stupid to eat in the parking lot before the game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"I don't want perfection....I want the qb to hit the wide open guy...especially want the qb to hit the open guy on game winning drives...."

You wanted JC to bail out the team for a crappy performance. As did everyone.

Looking back on these plays just maneuvers the blame back onto JC's shoulders.

Whereas I believe he didn't play as well as he could have, I don't believe the rest of the team should go without the same amount of scrutiny.

If you're going to take snapshots, take them of the whole team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 1, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

He said Vinny is a good guy and that he is just weird socially but knows how to evaluate better then people think gave him all the credit for the horton pick. Has no clue how to network.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 1, 2009 11:00 AM

Sheesh how do you get to be a GM without knowing how to network. Wasn't it their contacts at UCLA that clued them onto Horton? Of course that doesn't explain the misses. ugh

Posted by: skinswest | October 1, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

yod, your misinterpreting my posts, I'm not blaming JC, in every post earlier I stated that I don't believe he was the problem with the team....but to want to sweep it under the rug, just seems foolish to me....qb's are paid to find the open guy, and get him the ball. Agreed, the defense sucked ALL game long, Agreed the running game sucked all game long...I was merely going with what I had and that was pics of JC missing open guys...if I had pics of the defense failing, I'd be doing the same thing with them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the rest of the team played as well as Jason.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, complaining about concession prices at Fed Ex is the one argument on here that I don't have any empathy for.

What major league sports team doesen't charge $8.00 or more for a beer, $5.00 or more for a coke, and $8-$10 for a hot dog or a burger?

I mean, some markets may vary by a buck or so one each thing, but wherever you buy food as a captive audience (Ball game, movies, circus) that stuff is going to cost you much more than it should.

This is not specific to the 'Skins.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, complaining about concession prices at Fed Ex is the one argument on here that I don't have any empathy for.

What major league sports team doesen't charge $8.00 or more for a beer, $5.00 or more for a coke, and $8-$10 for a hot dog or a burger?

I mean, some markets may vary by a buck or so one each thing, but wherever you buy food as a captive audience (Ball game, movies, circus) that stuff is going to cost you much more than it should.

This is not specific to the 'Skins.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

By the way, those screenshots are moronic propaganda. One is taken purposefully while the ball is already in the air (leading DT's assigned dback, who has visibly turned his head and body, to leave him "open" and chase the ball), and another screenshot has Malcolm Kelly (or DT, can't tell which) "beating" his man, who is in underneath zone coverage and passing him off to a 3-deep safety over the top.

The only legitimate one is where DT is cutting inside from the top of the screen and Campbell went to ARE instead. The other two...pure propaganda.

Posted by: psps23 | October 1, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

when the skins run pass plays, JC17 should look at his matchups and look for the other team's weakest DB and have that play a larger role in his progressions when looking for the open guy.

Posted by: babobeach | October 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

A great leader is defined as a person who has enough self-confidence to surround himself with great decision makers. Of course, first you have to have the qualification to be the leader. Snyder has none of the above – makes bad personnel decisions on front office hirelings, and the coaches he hires. After ten or eleven years at the helm of the Skins he should realize that he is the problem. Success as a business man does not translate into success as a football man.

Posted by: 8andeight | October 1, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, complaining about concession prices at Fed Ex is the one argument on here that I don't have any empathy for.

What major league sports team doesen't charge $8.00 or more for a beer, $5.00 or more for a coke, and $8-$10 for a hot dog or a burger?

I mean, some markets may vary by a buck or so one each thing, but wherever you buy food as a captive audience (Ball game, movies, circus) that stuff is going to cost you much more than it should.

This is not specific to the 'Skins.


Posted by: JohnDinHouston

Agreed. There was a recent article about NFL franchise concession prices (and parking) and the Skins were not the highest - and were comparable to most of the other franchises.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 1, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Whats up with all these off brand bamas taking shots?

Damn, are you all that desperate for some RI cred?

And just because I didn't get one in this morning:

MotherF, mattylight.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 1, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell has 3 main issues that prevent him from being a successful QB.

Awareness. He doesn't seem to be able to make decent pre-snap reads. He also seems to be oblivious at times to his surroundings. Case in point throwing an INT on the run when he's actually crossed the line of scrimmage. And as those pictures show, he misses opportunities or just doesn't see them.

Accuracy. He isn't consistently accurate. Yeah, his completion percentage is high... but when he has wide open WRs running down field for sure TDs, he never EVER seems to connect on those passes.

Leadership. He just doesn't have a magnetic personality that the other players gravitate towards.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 1, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

psps = United States Government

Posted by: RedDMV | October 1, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

C Cooley on ESPN First Take in less then 5 min to discuss state of skins and fans...

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | October 1, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Jenkins's piece was an unnecessary use of paper, ink, pixels, and bandwith. It is not journalism, but recycling. Sprinkling yesterday's quotes over last week's posts does not make this "new(s)." Thanks for nothing, WaPo.

Posted by: GhostOfPlimpton | October 1, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Bean, not trying to single you out. I have more of a problem with the guy who posted the pics.

Believe me, I'm very disappointed and want JC to play better.

But I want more people to place the same scrutiny on the entire team. I'm tired of all the credit QB's get (good or bad).

Flacco, for example, is being compared to the best in the game. His defense gets him short fields. His run game is one of the best. His o-line is made up of studs. He makes good plays, don't get me wrong, but the bottom line is: the whole team is clicking.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 1, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

And just because I didn't get one in this morning:

MotherF, mattylight.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 1, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

lol..."that's funny right there I don't care who you are"...(watched Blue Collar Comedy Tour this weekend)

Posted by: mattylight | October 1, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It's called a column, Ghost. Sally Jenkins is therefore a columnist. She doesen't break stories, she reflects on "yesterday's quotes and last week's posts".

Not to say she does it well.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 1, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Vinny won't be let go until Snyder acknowledges that he's made mistakes in the structuring of the front office and how the team is run. Does anyone see that happening? No, the head coach is going to be used as the fall guy and Vinny will continue as the GM. Until the owner hires a real football GM who then hires the head coach (and the owners stays out of all footbal decisions), this franchise is doomed to mediocrity or worse.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 1, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Sherman = Really Goofy White Guy

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 1, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

RGWG in full effect.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 1, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

RGWG is blogging from his dorm room.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 1, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The one thing I scratch my head over is how a supposed marketing genius like Danny boy screws up so badly in his relationship with the media. Like it or not, WaPo dominates the sports coverage around here, and most smart franchises work with the media to at least put criticism in context, etc. I mean do you think that the New York Post is a rah-rah media source? No, they criticize a lot, but the Jets have a PR guy who works with them.

No other team in the league does a) cancels all of the tickets of the single most powerful media source in its town b) openly criticizes the main beat reporter c) refuses to comment on any story except occasionally some boneheaded comments by its lawyer. Hire a publicist, you idiots - but with the damage you have already done, WaPo is going to continue to gleefully go for your throat.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 1, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Nah Red. I'll give credit where credit is due. 2nd and 20, with 12:51 to go in the 4th quarter is legit. That's why the guy does a full series of screenshots there, from Campbell sitting in the pocket, to his release, to when the ball is in the air. You can get a full idea of where the defenders are, where the routes developed, and where the WRs were when he made his release.

Notice that he did not do that with the first series of screenshots. He only showed when the ball was in the air, which should really only fool the most short-sighted of us. There's no reference to where DT was when the ball was released, nor where DT's man was when the ball was released (and, of course, this occurred because that specific play had Campbell avoiding a rush then getting crushed just as he released it). It only shows DT "wide open" after the pass had been well gone, and his man had turned to chase the ball.

And his final series of screenshots is simply a lack of football knowledge. He claims the WR at the top of the screen "beat" his man to the point where the DB starts calling for help. He didn't "beat" his man. The DB was in underneath zone coverage with 3-deep safeties in zone over the top. He was passing his man on, which is exactly how the defense is supposed to operate. That was just ignorance on his part.

Posted by: psps23 | October 1, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER is NOT the one to blame. U should be proud to have an owner that actually wants a championship & opens the checkbook every offseason. Right now, this team needs no nonsense, firey coaching !! Not 2 UNAGRESSIVE Mr. Softee's!!! They responded well to Marty S., the legendary Joe Gibbs 2.0 & Greg Williams - remember they're 1st yr together?? Greg had less talent but always had them pumped up. We need that NOW. Also, this year I would make RB a priorty in the draft and beef up the O-line.

Posted by: lszovati | October 1, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should run a lot against Tampa Bay but I think Portis should be inactive for the game. They say that this time CP is not faking the injury so maybe it is time to sit him. The reality is Portis has a lot of carries, it's starting to catch up with him and it's time for them to assess their other options. Betts and Aldridge could be a nice 1-2 punch in Tampa with Mason coming off the bench to spell Betts.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 1, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I for one disagree with most folks. Is Danny Boy a bad owner? Yeah. Do I hate paying out the butt for tix that I can't even give away now? Yeah. Does it suck that he screwed us with the tailgating policies? yeah.

But... I think most of the stupid football related decisions come from Vinny and Danny just supplies the cash. I think the reason that this team stinks right now mainly falls on the hunched shoulders of one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: HenryHog | October 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Most likely it's both Danny and Vinny. But if by chance it were all on Vinny, then Danny is still ultimately responsible, beacuse he hired Vinny and has the full authority to fire him. Cerrato is just Snyder's puppet front man. I'm willing to bet Cerrato doesn't make many decisions at all without permission from Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 1, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I find the fan reaction to the current play of the Redskins really fascinating. We all know about the management and personnel failures of the past by the Snyder hierarchy (although at least he appears to have his heart in the right place, along with his ego, and doesnt worry about spending the big bucks), but the real issue immediately is not Snyder, but how these players are performing their jobs. Take a look at the video highlights of the last game. On the one yard 4th down touchdown attempt that didnt work, Samuels pulverizes his man inside, but when Dockery pulls he doesnt move his man, and Sellers doesnt block anybody at all, Portis is determined to run outside, and either fails to see or cant cut back inside to take advantage of the hole Samuels has created, and the play dies. Probably a bad call as well, because Zorn should have known the Lions would have 8 in the box and anticipate the Skins historical tendency to run left off tackle with Portis at the goal line. How about the Lions' 15 yard run up the middle from close to their own goal line in the first half, when London Fletcher is blasted out of the middle by a fullback while he is standing around picking his nose. And how about defensive backs Rogers and Hall, playing way off their assignments, showing no burst of closing speed and (along with our old friend Smoot)demonstrating terrible tackling skills. Maybe you can blame Mr. Medium for not motivating people, but this aint pee wee football. I refuse to believe the majority of our team has no talent. The players are stinking up the place, and they need to shut their mouths and start taking responsibility FOR THEMSELVES, and GET FIRED UP WHEN THEY PLAY if this season is going to turn around. They should be looking at Dogherty as a role model. He is always flying around on every play. That's what the rest of these high paid hot shots needs to be doing. Campbell is fine, the offensive line is fine in pass protection, our head coach in training is a minor problem, we just need to get the defensive to play at a mere 50% of their potential on paper, and running plays to be properly executed.

Posted by: northvajim1 | October 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse
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You have the right to know that you completely missed the point of the article.

Let me give you a tip that will help you beyond RI: Stop thinking in terms of blame and start thinking in terms of responsibility. Blame is an excuse for the intellectually lazy.

Snyder is responsible for the state of the Redskins. Period. If he does not hold his underlings accountable to their own responsibilities, that is just as much an indictment of him as it is of them.

Can he change? Can he learn? Maybe. I hope so.

A part of me sees the reality that we cut S Springs, J Jansen, P Kendall, K Campbell, J Taylor, M Washington, D Evans, J Thrash, and I think all those moves were steps in the right direct.

If someone were to say that a random team cut 8 vets, 15% of its roster, all who were respected locker room guys, I might not be surprised to hear that that team started off the season 1-2.

But if Snyder believes that we had to make those cuts to allow future growth, then that is an improvement over the year-to-year stop gap management we have been seeing. And if he understands we need to rebuild, and that the road might be a little rough during that process but he sticks to it, then you know what? The Redskins will start to win consistently, and Snyder will be responsible.

But right here, right now, Snyder is responsible for an organization that has 3 winning seasons in the last 10. And blaming others will never change that fact.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 1, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of hearing folks blame Snyder all the time. With the exception of the offensive line, we have a pretty talented and quite youthful football team. There's also a pretty decent coaching staff, though maybe not quite as good as the Gibbs era.

(And I'm not saying o-line isn't very, very important -- it is. I played o-line in college in the Big Ten and understand its importance...the blame the owner mantra just has to end.)

It's time for the players to play, period.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | October 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

MAN, YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF WHINY HATERS!!!

You sound like a bunch of Philly fans ready to boo Santa Claus!!

Boo when we Lose! Boo when we Win?!

Who bears responsibility for the state of the Redskins?
-Owner Daniel M. Snyder.
- Vinny Cerrato, executive vice-president of football operations.
-Coach Jim Zorn.
-Quarterback Jason Campbell.
-All of the players.
-THE FANS *(This one gets my vote)

Posted by: filmchis | October 1, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

All of this misplaced anger, it's almost comical. Only 3% voted for the players being responsible for the play on the field, hard to believe so few people can see this.

Dan Snyder did not make Cambpell fumble and throw a pick in week 1. Dan Snyder did not make Mike Sellers and Devin Thomas drop TDs in week 2. Dan Snyder did not throw a 50 yard pass interference flag or pick up a legitimate facemask penalty that hurt the Skins in week 3.

Snyder is not the problem. But when the team is losing, our fans irrationally blame him. When we start winning, are these same fans going to give him credit though? Of course not.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 1, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

My, my - all of this misplaced anger at Dan Snyder, and after all of the overwhelming, unprecedented success he's brought to the organization throughout his 11 seasons as owner. He's even brought us a touch of Hollywood by getting TomCat Cruise in the fold. Don't you just love all of this positive energy and abundant success the Redskins are experiencing? I'm just so perplexed why Joe Gibbs didn't return for the last year of his contract, because it just has to be sooo delightful to work for Dan Snyder and such a together organization.

Too many happy pills and Snyder Kool Aid for you, Barney. Call Andy and have him bring up the squad car to drive you to the detox and rehab center - immediately.

Are you on Snyder's payroll, Barney; or do you just like to throw out senseless fodder to see how people react? Wait a minute, I get it now; you're Dan Snyder's bodyguard, ain't you Barney?. A word of advice, I'd take your one bullet out of your holster and put it in your gun. You may just need it.


Posted by: SkinsKen | October 1, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of hearing folks blame Snyder all the time. With the exception of the offensive line, we have a pretty talented and quite youthful football team. There's also a pretty decent coaching staff, though maybe not quite as good as the Gibbs era.

(And I'm not saying o-line isn't very, very important -- it is. I played o-line in college in the Big Ten and understand its importance...the blame the owner mantra just has to end.)

It's time for the players to play, period.
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I'm glad the Snyder lackeys decided to finally show their face.

Why does blaming the owner have to end?
Isn't he responsible for ignoring the online, spending a ridiculous amount for players that are bad fits, hiring an overmatched coaching staff, and creating an environment where players are never held accountable for their actions.

Snyder is the one responsible for hiring and paying everyone involved with the team. Why is it somehow never his fault that the Redskins have (once again) decended into laughing stock territory? What is it that prevents him from taking any of the blame?

Posted by: jbanks979 | October 1, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

One more thing, Barney.

The survey question was "Who bears responsibility for the state of the Redskins"?

Not the incorrect tanget you went down of "Who bears responsibility for the play on the field."

So you did'nt even address what the survey was about - "Surprise, surprise" says Gomer in the background.

And for the record, the owner bears reponsibilty for everything, including acquisition, retention and dismissal of ALL employees - including palyers.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 1, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. I am sick and tired of hearing folks blame Snyder all the time. With the exception of the offensive line, we have a pretty talented and quite youthful football team. There's also a pretty decent coaching staff, though maybe not quite as good as the Gibbs era.

(And I'm not saying o-line isn't very, very important -- it is. I played o-line in college in the Big Ten and understand its importance...the blame the owner mantra just has to end.)

It's time for the players to play, period.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | October 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

My sympathies and kudos to you, SkinsFanNYC, what with being a Washington fan living in NYC. I'm sure you suffer endless ridicule and humiliation about the Redskins from Giants fans. I get it bad living in VA from Giants, Cowboys and Eagles fans, so I'm sure it's 100 times worse up there. A few winning seasons would make it a lot more fun and a bit easire to "give some smack back."

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 1, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Sally wrote a great article. I haven't agreed with her in the past, but I am glad that someone finally called out little Danny. He is the problem. He will not hire a football guy to run the show. As long as he keeps medling, the same stuff will keep happening.
Another thing, Just saw the Larry Michael/Vinny Cerrato segment on redskins nation. I had to sit there an listen to him blast Sally Jenkins. I guess his bonus just went up a couple grand. Personally, I could care less about Larry Michael. I have had very little respect for him ever since he wezzled his way into the commentator job and pushed aside a legend in Frank Herzog. I can't stand listening to a redskins radio broadcast anymore.

Posted by: rockinthered1 | October 1, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

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