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Boschetti Deal Done

From Jason Reid: Defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti has completed his physical and re-signed with the team.

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  November 25, 2008; 4:21 PM ET
 
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Boschetti better FIRST claim Reed's jersey number.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Second, he better snap on his chin strap, cause Gints are going to run right at him.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Btw, you people are ridiculous. Why it gives you joy to pile on someone who just lost their job, possibly ending their career, 2 days before Thanksgiving is beyond me.

What goes around comes around.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 25, 2008 3:56 PM

SA37 was already a multi-millionaire and has set up his family for generations.

So, I am not mad his carrer ended after he earned 10s of millions of dollars.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Who let Cindy out from the command post?

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

THIRD, I hope he's in good shape, but I still doubt that he can go more than about 15 plays this game.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Boschetti better FIRST claim Reed's jersey number.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 25, 2008 4:25 PM


It would be funny if Reed claimed Bosch's number as soon as he heard he might be coming.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"There are a lot of things that you can call me in life but " the truth" will not be one of them. being called the truth is worse than being called a racial slur. So I prefer you refrain from calling me either

Thank you,

Great One (never to be confused with the "truth")

Posted by: GreatOne1"


Congratulations on sucking up to the "cool regulars". Maybe they'll let you in their fort one day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Daggar

There were still several DE/DT that were rated high. Campbell, Groves, Trevor Laws, Jones, etc. I can see the logic of getting the WR's but I can't see the logic of getting a pass catching TE when they already have one of the best in the league. You can only put so many WR's on the field.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Also people complaining about our pass rush still don't even understand what our real problem is as a team.

Is our pass rush pretty bad? Yes.

Is our incredible secondary making up for it and making us a top 10 D in the league? I think so (not sure if we're top 10 or not).


Our offensive line is what is ruining this team. It is plain as day to see.

so ga(#'s), get on the correct side of the ball before complaining please.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Also people complaining about our pass rush still don't even understand what our real problem is as a team.

Is our pass rush pretty bad? Yes.

Is our incredible secondary making up for it and making us a top 10 D in the league? I think so (not sure if we're top 10 or not).


Our offensive line is what is ruining this team. It is plain as day to see.

so ga(#'s), get on the correct side of the ball before complaining please.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

We ARE top 10. In fact, after the Seahawks game, our defense moved into 3rd in the league.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Your trolling skills are on the decline bro. Pick it up. You're better than that.

Posted by: Gweez | November 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What happened to no complaining about the beat writer and the Front Office?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Our offensive line is what is ruining this team. It is plain as day to see.

so ga(#'s), get on the correct side of the ball before complaining please.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You're kidding me right? The pass rush has been a liability for YEARS. The O line didn't start having major problems till this year. They drafted an O Lineman as well. The Offensive line wasn't considered a major hindrance coming into this year. The Truth is, you need to get your facts right before telling somebody what they should and shouldn't talk about.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

What happened to no complaining about the beat writer and the Front Office?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Didn't that only count for "Remembering 21" posts?

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm no SleepyFan myself, but I believe the FO statement that they chose the best player on their board.
You can argue that there is no way the #1 TE on their board should have been ranked above the #10 DL on their board. But you'll have to take that up with Vinny.

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone look up how many times our D has finished the season top 10 in the league in the last 5 or 6 years? I'd guess over 50% of the time.

Offense? Not so much.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on sucking up to the "cool regulars". Maybe they'll let you in their fort one day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:29 PM


Give it up already, you are a regular. you are as regular as a senior citizen and a glass of metamucil.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

yeah Truth.....you could look it up, its called Google, its quite handy...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg Blache LOVES Boschetti....said in preseason that he was not the most talented player but that his motor was on high at all times.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"yeah Truth.....you could look it up, its called Google, its quite handy...

Posted by: chrislarry"

jeeze get off 'em please

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Truth.. pass pro is our biggest problem. This defense, under Williams AND Blache, is designed to a) stop the run, b) prevent the big play, and then c) sack the QB. If the pass rush merely breaks his rhythm or alters the pocket, that's sufficient for the D coordinator. So it IS pass pro that's killing us right now. The line's vulnerability allows defenses to stack the line to stuff the run since JC's not going to be able to look downfield anyway. GA8085, what team are YOU watching?

Posted by: outsider6 | November 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"motor was high at all times."

Ahhh the good ole' days...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone look up how many times our D has finished the season top 10 in the league in the last 5 or 6 years? I'd guess over 50% of the time.

Offense? Not so much.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The offenses struggles the past couple of years have not been due to the Offensive Line as much as other variables. See Brunell, change of offenses every year, etc. And the defense would be close to dominating if a pash rush were available from time to time. And an ugly offense and dominating defense leads to: The superbowl Ravens. So don't tell me you foreshadowed the offensive line struggling and that it should of been more of an issue in the off season than the D line.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice to have Boschetti back in the fold... even better to have Monty back in the rotation.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on sucking up to the "cool regulars". Maybe they'll let you in their fort one day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:29 PM


Oh, man. He should only hope so. It's so awesome in here!

I just finished up 10 frames at our private bowling alley. Now I'm gonna go have a pint of one of our 400 on-tap beers and head over to the climbing wall.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I find it hysterical that people could complain about the pressure JC is under then claim our lack of pressure is not a problem in the same breath.....

It is possible to have multiple issues on a team. Line play on both sides of the ball is a serious issue.

All the teams scrapping for playoff spots 2-6 in both conferences have weakness, its the teams that can overcome them and compensate properly for those weaknesses that will get to the post season.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg Blache LOVES Boschetti....said in preseason that he was not the most talented player but that his motor was on high at all times.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 25, 2008 4:44 PM


Ah, so that's why he was cut. Doesn't sound very medium to me.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"The offenses struggles the past couple of years have not been due to the Offensive Line as much as other variables. See Brunell, change of offenses every year, etc. And the defense would be close to dominating if a pash rush were available from time to time. And an ugly offense and dominating defense leads to: The superbowl Ravens. So don't tell me you foreshadowed the offensive line struggling and that it should of been more of an issue in the off season than the D line.

Posted by: ga8085 "

so what you're saying

the team's biggest need is on the #3 ranked defense's side of the ball. This D has been playing like this for years now without a beastly pass rush. Again, would it help? Obviously. Is it necessary? Apparently not. It's been apparently NOT necessary for years now.

our offense has been incredibly bad for years now. You have all these excuses "Oh it was bad because of so-and-so", well that's why you DRAFT players that could potentially help. You finally have a steady, solid QB, and then you have one starting caliber WR.

If our offense could score about 9 more points a game we'd have like 1 loss. If our D didn't get one sack all year we'd probably be doing just fine anyway.


Keep looking for those big sack numbers, but listen to anyone that knows a grain of knowledge about the game and they'll tell you that statistic is one of the most overrated, useless stats in the sport.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I just finished up 10 frames at our private bowling alley. Now I'm gonna go have a pint of one of our 400 on-tap beers and head over to the climbing wall.

Posted by: freakzilla

freakzilla = George W Bush

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

GA8085, what team are YOU watching?

Posted by: outsider6 | November 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You're missing my whole point. There's issues on both sides of the line. The offensive line is clearly more of an issue, but the D line HAS BEEN an issue for a long time and continues to be. Nobody thought with the return of a healthy Oline that they would struggle as bad as they have. The D line on the other hand? It was still considered a weakness coming into the season.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone look up how many times our D has finished the season top 10 in the league in the last 5 or 6 years? I'd guess over 50% of the time.

Offense? Not so much.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Off the top of my head.... defense was #3 in the NFl in 2004 (#1 in the NFC), #9 in the NFL in 2005, crappy in 2006 and I don't recall last year.

Spurrier's first year the D-Co was Marvin Lewis, and the D was very good THAT year, too.... made up for the poopiness of Spurrier's NotSoFun n' PopGun.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ga, our defense is #3 in the NFL right now. We've allowed the same total points as the Giants. Only 4 teams have allowed fewer points. I'd say that makes them elite... WITH a pass rush they'd -- at best -- move up TWO spots!! Our problem has been an inability to SCORE points, not prevent them. and our O-line wasn't expected to be a problem? Jansen and Thomas are both old AND coming off season-ending injuries. Kendall's even older! C'mon, really?

Posted by: outsider6 | November 25, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"I find it hysterical that people could complain about the pressure JC is under then claim our lack of pressure is not a problem in the same breath.....

It is possible to have multiple issues on a team. Line play on both sides of the ball is a serious issue.

All the teams scrapping for playoff spots 2-6 in both conferences have weakness, its the teams that can overcome them and compensate properly for those weaknesses that will get to the post season.

Posted by: chrislarry "

yes, both lines are a problem. That's not the point.

My point is if you have an offense that routinely finishes in the bottom 10 of the league (again, I'm just guessing but I feel pretty comfortable on that) compared to a D that routinely finishes in the top 10 of the league, why would you feel the need to draft more D players?


But GA can keep going on thinking he's a genius GM using hindsight as his major form of analysis. I'll bet you were just as excited as I was about the offensive weapons we drafted. Have they worked out? Unfortunately not so far, but they were pretty good picks at the time.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla = George W Bush

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 4:54 PM


Hey, better him than the new guy.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Line play is the hardest thing to gauge, either side of the ball. Schemes come into play to much, the skin D line does not expolde up field they occupy gaps. The most important thing (with the skins) is gap control & run defense. That's why everybody (the last 3 weeks) have been working our edges. Our O line is great CP is the #1 back in all of football, they just run block better then they pass block. To improve our pass blocking line play the players need to be more mobile (atheletic). Maybe yoga or ballet, laugh if you will but improved foot work would be the difference.

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Truth11 IS RIGHT!!! We're #3 in defense. What more do you want?!!! We can move the ball but can't punch it in the end zone. The Giants are averageing 30 points a game. That's more than our max output for a single game. Our offense is offensive.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | November 25, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Police: Man Robs Bank, Hails Cab, Gets Arrested

By N.C. Aizenman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 25, 2008; 4:53 PM

The list of world's dimmest criminals may have just gotten longer: Police said that a suspect who allegedly robbed a PNC Bank at 1400 K Street NW this morning hailed a taxi to flee the scene.

According to police, the taxi driver dropped the suspect not too far away at 14th and Euclid streets NW, then promptly returned to the bank to alert police. The suspect, 43-year-old Francis Clifton Marshall, of no fixed address, was apprehended in the area a short time later.

Police said that Marshall entered the bank about 9:30 a.m. and persuaded a teller to give him an undetermined amount of cash by passing a note claiming that he had a bomb. It is unclear whether Marshall actually had a bomb. He was charged with bank robbery and probation violation, and he is due to be arraigned in D.C. Superior Court tomorrow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/25/AR2008112501697.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

We have the #3 defense. So how come it doesn't feel like that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, better him than the new guy.

Speaking of which, has anybody told him about the size of his ears??? I mean, my gosh, if the wind picks up during inauguration, they may have to spike them down!

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Truth: Our offense is actually in the middle of the pack... 14th overall -- #3 rushing, #21 passing. But we're almost dead last (27?) in red zone scoring. When we get to a short field the pass pro problems become magnified.

Posted by: outsider6 | November 25, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

THE BEST BACK IN FOOTBALL!!! OUR LINE PLAY RULES!! The rookie haed coach , who has never (one game in Detriot 8 yr.s ago) called plays would be more to blame for pressure and scoring. A GOOD COACH PUTS PLAYERS IN POSITION TO BE SUCCESSFUL! But Z-man is alot better pick then I thought & seems to get it right, not always the first time but he gets it right!

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt feel like our D is that great because we never pound anyone 30-10 or 28-6 or anything like that. Always squeaking by with a W or suffering a close loss because we dont put up enough points

Posted by: cleej73 | November 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Zilla's response to the whole "regulars" paranoia is the best I've seen yet...(must be the whole 400 tap thing).

To be a regular all you have to do is show up; oh, and dust all the chips off your shoulder.


Congratulations on sucking up to the "cool regulars". Maybe they'll let you in their fort one day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 25, 2008 4:29 PM


Oh, man. He should only hope so. It's so awesome in here!

I just finished up 10 frames at our private bowling alley. Now I'm gonna go have a pint of one of our 400 on-tap beers and head over to the climbing wall.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Because we can't score. We lost three games in which our defense gave up 19 points or less!!!! Anytime your defense does that you should get a "W"

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | November 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Team Defense since 2001:

Year/NFL Rank/Coordinator
2001/#10/Schottenheimer
2002/#5/Lewis
2003/#25/Edwards
2004/#3/Double G
2005/#9/GG
2006/#31/GG
2007/#8/GG
2008/#3/Blache (so far)

I can't remember us having a very good pass rush during ANY of those years. (With apologies to an old, washed-up Bruce Smith)

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

PBL: you're right.. we haven't had a pass rush since Dexter and Charles!! And yet the defenses were solid except for '06 -- when Prioleau went down on the first play off the season and forced Archuleta onto the field!! We were missing Ryan Clark BAAAD!

Posted by: outsider6 | November 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I'll wear my old Manley or Mann jerseys, which are just a little too tight now, just to remember what it was like to have a pass rush

Posted by: cleej73 | November 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, PBL4

Look at the variance from year to year.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

First of all people who confuse "sacks" with constant "pressure" are ridiculous. Maybe sacks are overrated but pressure is essential.

Also when you quote to me rankings and stats and then call certain stats useless, your kinda not making a good arguement.

Our D is bend don't break, which when our Off is as inept as it has been since the Rams makes the Defense seem suspect b/c A) they tire late in games and B) they don't score points, give offense short fields and cut the nuts off oppossing teams.

Thats the difference. You add consistent pressure to our Def and we easily have 2 more wins.

Now obviously if you added higher red zone efficency you may add even more wins. But it seems at this point improving an already very good D might be the difference in scrapping to the win total that makes the playoffs.

Again, this is why the rash of D injuries could be brutal....

I know I know crazy talk...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,

You told me that the cigar was going in at the fort this week...where the heck is it?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

You told me that the cigar was going in at the fort this week...where the heck is it?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 25, 2008 5:20 PM


I think there's a word missing somewhere in there. As written, it's giving me an unsavory Clinton/Lewinsky vibe.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

First off, I'm not trying to be a GM, numnuts. I'm giving my opinion on what positions need improvement. Yes, the Defense is very good, but with an improved pass rush, they would cause more TO's and big plays. And the fact that the D Line has been gashed two straight weeks by opponents running game doesn't give me the confidence that this is a dominating D. And there's a difference in a D that bends and doesn't break with a lack of pass rush and a D (see Giants last year) that puts QB's on their back consistently and makes them turn the ball over. And I don't know how many times to repeat this: GOING INTO THE OFFSEASON, THE D LINE, NOT THE O LINE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THIS TEAM. GETTING 3WR'S IN THE SAME ROUND AND TOTALLY IGNORING A D LINE THAT HAS NOT HAD MUCH OF A PASS RUSH is not sound thinking to me. And how did drafting a receiving TE improve the O line or d line. It didn't. That's my point. And that's the two biggest weaknesses on this team.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Or savory....its all about taste!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I know I know crazy talk...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness! Somebody is actually making sense.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, PBL4

Look at the variance from year to year.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Seriously! Next, I just checked our ranking in team sacks by year:

Year/Rank/Sacks
2001/29/25
2002/9/40
2003/27/27
2004/9/40
2005/20/35
2006/32/19
2007/16/33
2008/27/17 (so far)

So, although we've been in the top 10 in defense for 6 of the last 8 years, we've only been top 10 in sacks twice -- 2002 and 2004, and just barely, at #9 each time.

That tells me that our pass rush really HAS sucked for at least as long as I remembered. It also tells me that we've mostly been alright anyway.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Second, he better snap on his chin strap, cause Gints are going to run right at him.

Posted by: frediefrit

You SERIOUSLY think the Giants will run at the Redskins bench?

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Second, he better snap on his chin strap, cause Gints are going to run right at him.

Posted by: frediefrit

You SERIOUSLY think the Giants will run at the Redskins bench?

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 5:32 P

LMAO!!!!

Posted by: Predator48 | November 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Not to change the subject (er, what if I do?), but watching Campbell running all around Qwest made me more than a little nervous.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

+++You can argue that there is no way the #1 TE on their board should have been ranked above the #10 DL on their board. But you'll have to take that up with Vinny.

Posted by: daggar+++

The issue isn't so much the position taken as the quality of Vinny's board itself.

If the skins had picked DeSean Jackson and/or Donnie Avery and/or Eddie Royal, no one would be complaining about the WRs taken.

As far as #1 TE is concerned, Davis is #1 may be your opinion and apparently was Vinny's But to date, the kid with the Jets ( a 1st rounder) and Dallas 2nd round pick Martellus Bennet have proven to be better than ol' Alarm Clock.

Vinny picked three guys. One sits, one has injury issues, and the third doesn't know where to line up or where to run. Vinny also brought in two other BIG receivers, neither of which made the team.

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

++++freakzilla = George W Bush

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 4:54 PM

Hey, better him than the new guy.

Posted by: freakzilla+++

Spoken like a Republican with all his assets hidden in offshore accounts.

Posted by: TheCork | November 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Stumped, watching Campbell running doesn't scare me at all. One of the advantages of having a 6'4" 240 lb. quarterback.

I like that he's been using his legs more as a weapon recently, because we need all the weapons we can get right now. That draw that he audibled for himself against Dallas, where the DTs were playing so far apart, was pretty.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Boschetti Done.
Get your boschetti here!
Boschetti!
Red hot boschetti!

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, you don't think Soup's scrambling around like a madman was an homage to Zorn, do you?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,
Agreed, he does a nice job running and seems to read the Defenses pretty well. At this point in the season, it makes sense to go for those extra tough yards.

It's just seeing the open field tackles and all the DBs trying to unload on him. It makes me extra, extra terrified.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I wish. My assets are quite modest and vulnerable, just like my in-laws, for whom I feel particularly bad since they moved here from Sweden 24 years ago fleeing the exact same kind of socialist crap we're all about to have imposed on us here.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Just a hunch, but I bet Nate and freak didn't talk politics at the game.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that we did not have a DL on the Practice Squad?

I realize there are only 8 spots on the PS.
But wouldn't it make more sense to have a person at each every down position?

Such as:
OL -1
WR- 1
RB- 1
TE- 1
DL -1
LB- 1
S- 1
CB- 1

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So, although we've been in the top 10 in defense for 6 of the last 8 years, we've only been top 10 in sacks twice -- 2002 and 2004, and just barely, at #9 each time.

That tells me that our pass rush really HAS sucked for at least as long as I remembered. It also tells me that we've mostly been alright anyway.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

It tells me that, as others have noted, that the Redskins D Coordinators do not place a premium on getting sacks. Rather, they place a premium on stopping the run, and excellent secondary play. It is interesting that the Redskins ranked 31st in overall D the year that this formula was unable to be followed because Clark was gone, Prioleau went down on Season Opening Kickoff, and Archuleta failed to live up to his end of the deal in coverage. Very next year, LL is drafted, and AA is sent packing. Coincidence that they suddenly re emrge as a top 10 D??? You KNOW its not. Which makes the emergence of Horton t opartner with LL this year all the more beneficial.

Another point: How much more push would we be getting from the DT's if Philip Daniels had not gone down and Evans could have stayed at tackle? This defense lost two players from last year: ST(All World RIP) and Daniels who is perhaps not quite elite, but is well above average. Throw in Marcus Washington's on again off again injuries, and this D has a LOT to be proud of....

Posters (and beat muck rakers) who bemoan the absence of sacks as evidence of poor play are not paying atention. Redskins D line, as part of the overall defensive philosophy, is charged with 1) stopping the run, 2) containing the QB from escaping the pocket to buy time that then enables receivers to break free for big plays 3) getting in throwing lanes t ochange trajectory and bat balls 4) collapsing the pocket to sack the QB.

The D Line is doing what they are supposed to be doing. Sacks are not the priority.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Nay, 4-12.

I tend not to unless specifically pressed. Bad for one's career in these parts to be identified as part of the counterculture.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 25, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Um, 4-12, let's say we are implicitly simpatico on the "agree to disagree" front.

In that passive-aggressive way common to the locals in these here parts, we didn't even have to say anything, we just didn't say anything.

Also, we had lots of Redskins stuff to talk about.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe -- good points. Except the Skins did get run on by Seattle. Maurice Morris was looking more like Mercury Morris. I know Walter Jones is good, but Andre Carter looked like he was playing in his own private quicksand

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"It is interesting that the Redskins ranked 31st in overall D the year that this formula was unable to be followed because Clark was gone, Prioleau went down on Season Opening Kickoff, and Archuleta failed to live up to his end of the deal in coverage. Very next year, LL is drafted, and AA is sent packing. Coincidence that they suddenly re emrge as a top 10 D??? You KNOW its not. Which makes the emergence of Horton t opartner with LL this year all the more beneficial."

Double G also spent all summer trying to tweak the defense slightly from the 2006 season to the 2007 season. That made a difference too, I think.

The priority on stopping the run is somewhat dated by the standards of today's NFL, but still works well in an old-skool division like the NFC East.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, Seattle's run game focuses on attacking the edge. MoMo did a good job of getting to the corner. I'm wondering how much Carter's platar fascia was bothering him during the game which decreased his abilities? In any event, I don't think the Gints are going to focus on edge running...they are gonna bust it NFC Beast style.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

One really big stud Tackle would be good-

JC's running does not bother me its his landings, or he needs to learn how finish runs

3 losses this year and you can remeber a play or two a game that the game seemed to turn on the defense has kept us in every game & the offense has not done to much to lose a game, somewhat kept us in games

7-4 could be 9-2 or 6-5??!! what a game!

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by Yahoo!

I see areas with problems and ask what are the solutions. I get especially worked up about problem situations where there may be a solution, but it isn't being tried.

WR was an area I saw as a problem in the preseason. How would I have taken a weakness and turned it into a strength. Anquan Boldin. Expensive? Yes. But he solved the problem.

So I'm looking at the Skins right now and looking at the problem areas brought up here on the blog. I'll give my thought on if its really a problem, and if it is, see if the Skins have a solution.

RDE:
Is Andre Carter a problem? Yes
Is Jason Taylor the answer? Maybe
The Skins must put Taylor in.

OLB:
Is Marcus Washington a problem? Yes
Is HB Blades the answer? Yes

RT:
Is Jon Jansen a solution? No
Is Stephon Heyer the answer? No
Is Chad Reinhart the answer? Maybe
Right now, unless Reinhart is looking good in practices, this is simply a problem the Skins will need to live with.

WR #2:
Is there a problem here? Yes
Is Malcolm Kelly the answer? Maybe (hope so)
Is Devin Thomas the answer? Not likely
Is ARE the answer? No

WR #3
Is there a problem here? No
Is ARE the answer? Yes

C
Is Rabach a problem? I beginning to think so
Do we have anyone that might be an answer? Not that I know of

K
Is Suisham a problem? Yes (what happened to him?)
Do we have an answer? No
We might wish to bring in kickers to challenge Suisham.

P
Is Plackemeier a problem? No


Areas the Skins do not have a problem with starters
The entire secondary, MLB, DL other than RDE, RT, RG, LG, QB, RB

The Skins have noteworthy backup problems at:
LB, OL, WR and as of this week, DT. These are most likely addressed in the offseason.

And that is ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES for this Thanksgiving week, brought to you by Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Still can't get that Zilla, Nate and Diddy broadcast booth outta my head.

I'll tell you, you get those three amped up on a Skins game and we can hand Sonny, Sam and Frank their walking papers.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 25, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Double G also spent all summer trying to tweak the defense slightly from the 2006 season to the 2007 season. That made a difference too, I think.

The priority on stopping the run is somewhat dated by the standards of today's NFL, but still works well in an old-skool division like the NFC East.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Agree on both points...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

play-off football in the east- cold, wind, rain & snow if you can't run the ball you spend the day exchanging punts
running the ball maybe so not the pass happy approach that is sooo owner sexy

to run the ball is to control the clock no matter what the weather - he who owns time of possesion wins the game 90 percent of the time

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

probably closer to 80 percent but why do you think running teams have won more titles then passing teams I know balance or medium is the key......

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Boschetti? Please. This guy has never made an impact in 4 years with the team on the field. He is strictly a practice player the team uses to motivate others at Redskins Park with his work ethic.

You would think the Redskins could at least sign a veteran who could hold up against the run with the Giants on tap.

Boschetti is no help at all really. Just a guy to fill out a jersey.

Posted by: leopard09 | November 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The move to cut Sean is a mistake....They signed him for nothing with no risk...With Clinton being a heart beat away from being out and Betts has never been impressive because he can't hold on to the ball...This will come back and bite the Skin in the a$$....

With useless players on the roster like Erasmus James why cut a RB who had never had a chance really to get in and show anything? I'm not saying Sean is his old self...but given more than 3 carries in agmae might have shown something else....Either way...I suppose Sean will head to Denver....

Posted by: leevi98 | November 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The move to cut Sean is a mistake....They signed him for nothing with no risk...

Posted by: leevi98 | November 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

They signed him for nothing...and they got what they paid for...

Posted by: p1funk | November 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Again....big difference between sacks and pressure. Pressure is huge. For those of you who don't understand that, I am not quite sure what to say. Stats tell partial stories. Hurries, turnovers, tackles behind the LOS are all absent from the stats....

Also you going to tell me that blitz happy Marvin Lewis and Grilliams weren't concerned about pressure? You going to tell me that the game changing defensive plays last week didn't come off pressure? We pressured the QB very well during some of those years we were ranked high. You going to tell me the Lavar/Phillip Daniels/#21 wasn't huge in the stretch run of the 2005 playoff run and victory??

Enough over simplification to make points. Lack of pressure is an issue and has been.

Also to say that all D-Cord in that date range from Brian Schottenhiemer to Blanche had the same philosophy is just straight stupid.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If the skins had picked DeSean Jackson and/or Donnie Avery and/or Eddie Royal, no one would be complaining about the WRs taken.

Oh, if DeSean was riding the pine as 'X' behind Santana, I'd be complaining about why the f'ing front office chose someone exactly like our best receiver instead of the big body that we clearly needed.
DeSean has one TD as a WR. D. Thomas would have one if Mr. Heyer would've waited one more play for his retaliation. That choice isn't the reason why we're 7-4 instead of 10-1.
Avery was selected before Thomas. I would like to have drafted Brady, Tomlinson, Boldin, Fitzgerald, [itemize the all-pro team]... but you can only draft players that are available when you select.
Eddie Royal... VT product, Northern VA High school, you would think Redskin fan growing up... Vinny is clearly an idiot. Except at 5-10 184, he's another Moss too.

So the skins draft board looks like it was biased towards "WRs that don't look like Santana Moss". What idiocy! Incompetence! Why... it's.... inconceivable!

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Double G also spent all summer trying to tweak the defense slightly from the 2006 season to the 2007 season. That made a difference too, I think.

The priority on stopping the run is somewhat dated by the standards of today's NFL, but still works well in an old-skool division like the NFC East.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The key "tweak" was that they started letting ST21 play purely deep center at safety. If you remember the year before, he was supposed to be responsible for the deep stuff AND he was supposed to come up and play the run. What we saw was a season-long fiasco of play-action fakes that pulled him up only to have a bomb dropped over his head...

Posted by: p1funk | November 25, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, As you say, they paid nothing for SA, therefore, are losing nothing. 2) Nobody else will pick him up, he will be there...and my guess is that LaDell has been evaluated to be "over" his injury thereby eliminating hte need for SA on the roster in the first place 3) E James is a

Bottom line, RB is a spot where there was an "extra" player now that CP and Ladell's knee sprains are good to go. SA will be there should the need arise later. D Line is not a position where you want to shed players.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The move to cut Sean is a mistake....They signed him for nothing with no risk...With Clinton being a heart beat away from being out and Betts has never been impressive because he can't hold on to the ball...This will come back and bite the Skin in the a$$....

With useless players on the roster like Erasmus James why cut a RB who had never had a chance really to get in and show anything? I'm not saying Sean is his old self...but given more than 3 carries in agmae might have shown something else....Either way...I suppose Sean will head to Denver....

Posted by: leevi98 | November 25, 2008 6:45 PM

I hope you're kidding...Shaun Alexander is done. Even at his best he's a soft player. He can't carry CP's jock, much less fill in for him. I was against that signing from the beginning and I'm glad he's gone.

As for Betts not being impressive: 1100 yards in 9 games is pretty impressive. He may not be the same guy he was 2 years ago but even on one leg he's better than Alexander.

And how much sense does it make to cut a D-lineman when that's where you're short? The Skins once took a chance on an injury prone but talented D-lineman once. Remember Daryl Gardener? Dude walked in off the street and was the best player on their defense that year. Not saying Erasmus will play like that, but he could.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 25, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

If the skins had picked DeSean Jackson and/or Donnie Avery and/or Eddie Royal, no one would be complaining about the WRs taken.


Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins had kept a 4th veteran receiver on the roster to provide reasonably forseeable cover for our rookies who couldn't stay healthy or learn the playbook fast enough to contribute, then I wouldn't be complaining.

Posted by: p1funk | November 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Cutting SA37 looks to me like they know that both Portis and Betts are good to go for now.. if either get dinged to the point they can't go, they bring back SA37 and cut somewhere else.
When they picked up SA37, they were one play away from having BenJarvis Green-Ellis as their primary running back. That might work if you're the Pass-Happy Patriots, but not if you're the ground-pounders.
Who else here likes the fact that declaring a player inactive is "putting them down" in Zornspeak?

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, As you say, they paid nothing for SA, therefore, are losing nothing. 2) Nobody else will pick him up, he will be there...and my guess is that LaDell has been evaluated to be "over" his injury thereby eliminating hte need for SA on the roster in the first place 3) E James is a

Bottom line, RB is a spot where there was an "extra" player now that CP and Ladell's knee sprains are good to go. SA will be there should the need arise later. D Line is not a position where you want to shed players.

WAPO IT strikes again

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, As you say, they paid nothing for SA, therefore, are losing nothing.
2) Nobody else will pick him up, he will be there...and my guess is that LaDell has been evaluated to be "over" his injury thereby eliminating hte need for SA on the roster in the first place
3) E James is a

My guess is that E James 1) would be QUICKLY claimed from waivers and 2) the Redskins have major plans for him next year.

Bottom line, RB is a spot where there was an "extra" player now that CP and Ladell's knee sprains are good to go. SA will be there should the need arise later. D Line is not a position where you want to shed players.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Just watch the video from earlier post of the Reaper. This totally sucks!!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 25, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, As you say, they paid nothing for SA, therefore, are losing nothing. 2) Nobody else will pick him up, he will be there...and my guess is that LaDell has been evaluated to be "over" his injury thereby eliminating hte need for SA on the roster in the first place 3) E James is a less than 25 year old former first round draft pick who is still working back from major knee reconstruction AND who was paid quite a bit more than NOTHING a la SA. My guess is that E James 1) would be QUICKLY claimed from waivers and 2) the Redskins have major plans for him next year.

Bottom line, RB is a spot where there was an "extra" player now that CP and Ladell's knee sprains are good to go. SA will be there should the need arise later. D Line is not a position where you want to shed players.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

re: legit vet WR to protect rooks...

pfunk, I agree %100....to me that is the missing piece....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for all the reposts... finally figured out that the "less than" sign eliminates the rest of the characters that follow.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"play-off football in the east- cold, wind, rain & snow if you can't run the ball you spend the day exchanging punts
running the ball maybe so not the pass happy approach that is sooo owner sexy

to run the ball is to control the clock no matter what the weather - he who owns time of possesion wins the game 90 percent of the time

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse"

That's why I said: The priority on stopping the run is somewhat dated by the standards of today's NFL, but still works well in an old-skool division like the NFC East.

"probably closer to 80 percent but why do you think running teams have won more titles then passing teams I know balance or medium is the key......

Posted by: mdepo | November 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse"

I highly doubt that 90%, or even 80%, of teams that win ToP end up winning the game. Anyway, rushing over passing ain't what it used to be in the NFL.... look at the teams who've won titles recently? Pats, (had Corey Dillon but also won with scrubs like Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk) Giants, (the year after Tiki retires, Giants make it with a 2nd year back) Colts, Bucs, (who even was their starting RB? Michael Pittman?) Eagles made it with minimal rushing yards, etc. One could even make an argument for the Steelers -- sure, they had Jerome Bettis, but they had the Bus for years, and didn't make the SB 'til Big Ben came along. Who's more famous on those SB-winning teams? Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Brad Johnson, Donovan McNabb? Or Antowain Smith, Brandon Jacobs, Joseph Addai, Michael Pittman, and Brian Westbrook??

Now, look at some of the consistently top rushing teams -- Falcons, Broncos, Redskins, Chiefs, etc., none of those teams have even MADE the SB since 1999.

It's 2008, not 1988.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, don't cut&paste me into the position of whining that we didn't get Jackson/Royal/Avery.

I take it that the "vet WR to protect rooks" is Mix/McMullen/BugEyes? Or Ocho Cinco?
Which one gets us to 10-1?

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

There is a an in between. What if we had signed like an Issac Bruce? I think we could have upgraded from the mcmullen/Reche level but not blown up the bank for Ocho....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Enough over simplification to make points. Lack of pressure is an issue and has been.

Also to say that all D-Cord in that date range from Brian Schottenhiemer to Blanche had the same philosophy is just straight stupid.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I know full well that it's an oversimplification. I never claimed otherwise. Initially, I was just looking up the numbers to throw them into the conversation. And it's very true that sacks do not = pressure. But.... pressure DOES = more sacks, on the aggregate level.

And I didn't say ANYTHING about the D-Co's from 2001-2008 all having the same philosophy. Maybe that's the biggest point to be made, in fact. We've had good defenses across all different defensive philosophies, but one constant has been the pass rush. It's a FO issue more than anything, but it hasn't necessarily hamstrung us.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 25, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

To whomever posted "Giants won't run on the edge"

Don't be so naive.
Didn't you watch the first game?
They ran over Jason Taylor and Andre Carter often and successfully.

It could be a series of long time-consuming, nauseating drives on Sunday for us to endure as Skin Fans.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Not to put too fine a point on it Ray, but the jints pretty much ran everywhere that day, at least for the 1st half

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Ray, i could have more correctly said that the gints running game will not FOCUS on the edge. Oh wait, that is what i said. Nevermind.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 25, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

How do we beat the jints? We man cover and bring everyone else up close.

We match up well. I think Springs can handle Burress, who is hurting, though that might fall to Rogers.

DeAngelo Hall gets Steve Smith and that could be a real test. Smith reminds me of Wes Welker, a little guy who can do a lot of damage.

Whoever doesn't get Burress, gets Toomer if the jints go 3 wide.

Boss is a handful and another matchup challenge, especially in the red zone.

I've been saying its time to put Jason Taylor in and let him do what he does best. Play RDE and rush the passer. We've got to let him try to wreak some havoc. See if he has some of the HOF pass rush still in him.

Everyone else is in the box preventing the run.

On offense, its pretty clear that our run game is our bread and butter. We have just 1 turnover on a running play all year ... that was Betts fumble last week. Simply have got to run the ball. Kelly, given his size, could be a big help in running wide. Would like to see Portis + Betts with 40+ carries.

Short throws with an occasional deep shot. Use the shotgun. 5 yard throws to Kelly could be effective in ball control. Wouldn't be surprised to see a handful of passes to Kelly, all under 10 yards.

Special teams could play a key role. This is a time where I could see Moss on punt return.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Randle El throw the ball, perhaps more than once. Or a flea flicker. Zorn hasn't used many trick plays, I'm thinking he is probably saving them for the right time.

the jints are a tough bunch and we haven't shown anybody a reason to be fearful of us in quite a while. Time to change that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Giants most certainly run on the edge. There most smash mouth back, Jacobs can even bounce it outside and Ward and Bradshaw love to out outside. Also they rope-a-dope you by smashing it up the gut with jacobs and then bounce it around with the other 2.

The only way to beat them is to minimize mistakes, and rise to the physical challenge. We will need some unsung dudes to step up (cough Lorenzo Alexander!) and we will need some non-traditional points (special teams, Def score, or very short fields)

It can be done, but its gonna take "heroics"

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Why do so many pseudo-GM's focus on the lack of a pass rushing end? The defense was in the top 10, three of the last four years. The DE's are not the main reason why we haven't taken that next step...it's the OFFENSE!!!

You ain't gonna win nothin' with Moss, Randle-El and Thrash as our receivers.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Skin's defense is currently #3 behind Pitt and the Ravens. That could all change if the Giants hold the ball for 40 minutes running at will.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

First RIP ST21!!! Thanks WaPo for starting the day right.

Next, thanks to all who linked to those ST videos!! Just a reminder of what we all lost and miss!

Finally, wow, cL posting paragraphs at a time! Go cL!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL-UH-DA-WEEK

You are the Redskins' President of Football Operations or Coach, which of the following personnel moves would you NOT consider in the offseason?

a) trade Ladell Betts

b) Insert Kelly and Thomas as the #2 and
#3 receivers...move Randle-El to #4 and
Thrash to teams

c) make a run at Anquon Boldin

d) release Sean Springs

e) sign D'Angelo Hall to a long term deal.

f) release John Jansen

g) Sign a beast DE

h) Draft a beast DE

i) sign Campbell to a long-term deal

j) give Carlos Rogers a long-term deal

k) trade Fred Davis for a pick

l) Resign Rich Milot, Kelvin Bryant and
Reggie Brooks

HAVE AT IT RI!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

ricky,

If we can't play GM, what fun is the days between games?

Curz, what do I usually post? I guess more rapid fire fragment style.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

You are the Redskins' President of Football Operations or Coach, which of the following personnel moves would you NOT consider in the offseason?

l) Resign Rich Milot, Kelvin Bryant and
Reggie Brooks


(All those others make to much sense to at least consider. RR, whatcha doing next year??)

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL-UH-DA-WEEK

You are the Redskins' President of Football Operations or Coach, which of the following personnel moves would you NOT consider in the offseason?

c) make a run at Anquon Boldin

k) trade Fred Davis for a pick

These are the only moves I would NOT consider.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, cL, more rapid fire is what I see from you generally.

Agree with your posts today for sure.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

If there was one position I'd open the pocket book for is O-Line.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

NYG have consistently scored over 20; only two teams have held them under 20 this year.

We are one of those teams.

With the D beaten up the way it is, I'm not sure you can count on that again... but the D has risen to the occasion before.

So can the offense score over 20? They have something of an identity now, something they didn't have back in game one.
I continue to think that the key is not to expect the five olinemen to all have career games, but to hope that the QB can make the Giants secondary pay. But that's just the law of averages...

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

How do we beat the jints? We man cover and bring everyone else up close.

We match up well. I think Springs can handle Burress, who is hurting, though that might fall to Rogers.

DeAngelo Hall gets Steve Smith and that could be a real test. Smith reminds me of Wes Welker, a little guy who can do a lot of damage.

Agreed, the safeties are getting to have to play up in the box to stop the run. Especially if they have to play more 4-2-5 Let Manning takes his shots deep in man coverage, hopefully the corners can make plays.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

You are the Redskins' President of Football Operations or Coach, which of the following personnel moves would you NOT consider in the offseason?

a) trade Ladell Betts
NO!!!!

b) Insert Kelly and Thomas as the #2 and
#3 receivers...move Randle-El to #4 and
Thrash to teams
NO!!!! Hope to make ARE #3 with Kelly at #2

c) make a run at Anquon Boldin
Too expensive. Boldin is on his way to the HOF and that window has closed. I'd go for Houshmandzadeh instead. His contract is up and he is older, so a bit cheaper.

d) release Sean Springs
I hate it, but afraid he is too expensive to keep

e) sign D'Angelo Hall to a long term deal.
Wait and see how the guy fits in

f) release John Jansen
isn't there a cap hit in this one? I recall thinking we gave him way too much $$$ for way too long. I'd prefer him to be a backup if he's too expensive to drop

g) Sign a beast DE
Hank Paulson?

h) Draft a beast DE
Picks need to be lines and LB

i) sign Campbell to a long-term deal
Yes

j) give Carlos Rogers a long-term deal
Yes, but try not to overpay ... he's only got 1 good year and has an injury history

k) trade Fred Davis for a pick
think we can get a round 2 pick? round 3? Settle for a round 4 with an upgrade to round 3 if he plays

l) Resign Rich Milot, Kelvin Bryant and
Reggie Brooks
Nah, even though I think Kelvin could have been more effectiven the Shaun Alexander

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone say when Fletcher got hurt on Sunday?

Posted by: daggar | November 25, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the conditions were for that "conditional" pick in 2009 for James? I wonder if that's why he is still on the roster when they have to go out and get Boschetti etc? This smells of Vinnie. Mr. "I don't know talent, but Danny likes me."

Right now Montgomery and Lorenzo will see lots of snaps against the Giants even if they don't start. At end you'll see Jason Taylor alternating with Carter. Jackson and Wilson backing up. Boschetti behind the tackles.

I think at LB there is more cause for concern. Neither Washington of Fletcher will likely play. That means Blades gets all the snaps. Fincher or Campbell.


DB is looking better all the time ... with Hall they again can potentially put 4 1st round draft picks out there. That I hope that will be enough to beat the Giants.

Posted by: periculum | November 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

f) release John Jansen
isn't there a cap hit in this one? I recall thinking we gave him way too much $$$ for way too long. I'd prefer him to be a backup if he's too expensive to drop

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Forgot about the cap hit on this one. Would make a solid b/u at RT and maybe guard...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The only problem, to me, in not cutting james at the end of camp is because the FO seems to know or get lucky with late round picks and that 7th rd pick next year would be nice.

That is the other reason not to give up on R.Jackson.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Perc,

The condition was being on opening day roster, thus no longer conditional. We now can definitively say we traded a 7th (cough Horton cough) round pick for James....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

HOF 25 candidates list is out, Grimm is the only Skin (unless you count Bruce Smith and Andre Reed ... I didn't think so)

Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson are locks. Cris Carter makes it and I'm thinking Tagliabue gets a slot. Shannon Sharpe gets close, but not this time.

On the list of 25, only a few guys that I think don't belong.

Chris Hanburger got passed over for an oldtimer slot and they're giving Bob Hayes yet another chance along with Claude Humphrey. Bob Hayes does not belong in the HOF.

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/story.jsp?story_id=2962

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Btw, you people are ridiculous. Why it gives you joy to pile on someone who just lost their job, possibly ending their career, 2 days before Thanksgiving is beyond me.

What goes around comes around.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 25, 2008 3:56 PM |

Alexander signed a 8 year 62 million dollar contract with the Seahawks back in 2006, I don't think he is going to be on the street.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 25, 2008 4:06 PM |

You're warped. This man has made multi-millions and we're supposed to feel sorry him? Save your sympathy for someone who deserves it.

I think we have the same sense of relief that many will feel when George Bush loses his job. Sean Alexander couldn't do the job, now it's time to let someone more competent, more deserving have a chance at it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 25, 2008 4:12 PM

Oh, I now see where you guys are coming from. Money is the only thing in life that matters. Eddie Jordan made millions coaching the Wizards, so no one should feel sorry for him that he was unjustly fired this week. Shaun Alexander's career has probably now ended, and in humiliating fashion, but it's perfecting fine to pile on him today, 2 days before Thanksgiving, because he's got money in the bank.

Seriously, some of you are truly warped human beings. Simply demented. Have a little respect for the guy, at least for one god damn day.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Nah, even though I think Kelvin could have been more effectiven the Shaun Alexander"

GREAT HBack better than Cooley that's for sure ... but as a running back not so hot. Same deal with Joe Washington at the end.

Posted by: periculum | November 25, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

...and leave Britney alone!

Seriously, of all causes to take up, that one?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Barno1, peeps here have been piling on SA37 since he was signed to the team. He's not being treated differently today.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

KEEP Shawn Springs make him a safety.
KEEP Hall make him starting CB along with Rogers. Smoot and new draftee back up corners. Backup at Safety would be Horton and a new draftee, maybe Doughty.

Cut Griffin, (too many injuries + age). Cut Philips, same deal. Cut Jason Taylor maybe Carter before Springs. When Springs does play he is always effective. Then try to draft of FA for the D-line. Cut Marcus Washington (too many injuries too old they SHOULD HAVE GONE for Julius Peters last year, a perennial all-pro with SF had an injury but seems to have come back with Seattle. Also a "local".) They need more line backing either from the draft of FA.

But you DON'T CUT Springs. Not till his legs go.
Then he retires like Green.

FA receiver desperately needed. Boldin would immediately free Moss down field. In any case they need A really one. Cut ARE before Thrash. Keep Kelly and Devin Thomas for one more year just to see.

OL: Keep everyone.
TE: Cut Yoder.
QB: might have to start thinking this way if Jason continues to flounder.
RB: Maybe need some help here too.

Posted by: periculum | November 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexander's career has probably now ended, and in humiliating fashion, but it's perfecting fine to pile on him today, 2 days before Thanksgiving, because he's got money in the bank.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 25, 2008 9:03 PM

His career should have ended sooner. He should have retired gracefully when he couldn't do the job anymore. Instead, he's the one who "humiliated" himself on the field.

Not sure what you think Thanksgiving has to do with it. The guy has a lot more to be thankful for than most of us. He was league MVP and he's a wealthy man. He had a good career in football and he's well-positioned to move on to something else.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 25, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

One thing is certain ... this is a KEY game. Really critical home game. Made so much more so by the Dallas loss. They have to find some way of scrapping to a win at home. No staying "medium". They need to put it all on the line for this one. Then maybe take the hit in Baltimore at night. Lose this and they probably lose both. Better chance in Baltimore if they win this one.

The odds are "agin 'em". This is where Hall starts along with Rogers with Springs shifting between 3rd corner and safety. Bringing Landry in the box again as he was with Sean Taylor. They are going to need a great game from McIntosh and Blades. Fincher gets help from Landry and Springs. The D-line I think can do okay with Evans (coming into his own apparently?), Montgomery, Alexander and a combination of Carter, Taylor, Chris Wilson. Whatever it takes.

Posted by: periculum | November 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Its old school tuesday!

Barno is back with pseudo pious lectures at straw man issues

and

periculum is back weird h-back rants and FB views from the 4th dimension!

Home for the holidays?

Posted by: chrislarry | November 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

What's with the armchair GM moves? The Skins play the Giants this week, and the Ravens next week, and then at least three more games. There are playoffs on the horizon and some folks want to talk about trading rookies for a bag of rusty nails. Believe me. It can get worse than the vinny. It could be Matt Milen or some RI bloggers.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL PART II

Should Sean Springs have a bust/statue either at FedEx or Skins Park? Explain your answer.

a) Yes
b) No

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

chriS laRry,

You must be looking forward to your best Thanksgiving ever with baby Amelia near the table! And, as good as this one is, every one that follows will be even better!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok bankokben...

If they stop the run, they win. I think our secondary is underrated. Our O-line must play a game for the ages, and we must score at least 20 points. We win this one...we have confidence and momentum going into the final stretch.

Now back to my Poll

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

ricky ... Ummm, I'm thinking you didn't ask the question you intended to ask ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 25, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Should Sean Springs have a bust/statue either at FedEx or Skins Park? Explain your answer.

a) Yes
b) No

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 9:42 PM

Yes, if he makes three picks and runs them all back for TDs this Sunday against the Giants. Otherwise, the jury's still out on this one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 25, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL PART II

Should Sean Taylor have a bust/statue either at FedEx or Skins Park? Explain your answer.

a) Yes
b) No

Posted by: rickyroge | November 25, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

back to the poll...

Priest Holmes should be picked-up NOW and converted into a #2 WR.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 25, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're going old school, what with Barno's sanctimonious ramblings about irrelevancies, I might as well bring it with some old school off-topic convo myself...

Greetings from Whistler! It's mayhem up here. Gays can get married, bears run free in the streets, 19 year old Aussie chicks get remarkably drunk and go home with perfect strangers, and the mountain opens tomorrow. Lots to be thankful for.

I'm glad to see Boschetti back on the team. Frankly, I can't get my day started right without a decaf soy mocha and a chocolate-covered Boschetti.

Stumped, what's this about a broadcast booth team? I'm a veteran flag football player, which I supposes makes me as qualified as anyone else up here to comment all day long from a warm broadcast booth loaded up with piles of free bacon and syrup-doused waffles.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Posted by: PDiddy | November 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Beep, ST Tribute...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 25, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

If they stop the run, they win. I think our secondary is underrated. Our O-line must play a game for the ages, and we must score at least 20 points. We win this one...we have confidence and momentum going into the final stretch.

I think we need to score more than 20 to win, I'd like upper 20's. Hopefully we convert in the red zone, just no fg's.

Posted by: joeboggs | November 25, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

We all knew this wouldn't be a good 'feeling' day.

Just imagine how people feel who really knows this guy in person.

To me Sean Taylor represents all DMV (DC, MD, & VA) Youth who have been slain on our streets. Since ST has been killed, there has been no slow down of murders in the District/PG County and surrounding areas. The youth are still not respecting life, and I believe this is due to the 3rd generation of living in ignorance (dating back to the 80s and the high homicide rates through the 90s).

People - none of us are Superman. BUT, if you have a chance to turn around just 1 (ONE) youth, you would have done an AMAZING job. I have tried to do my part in all of this and I am asking you to do yours.

Take a youth out to experince something different. Talk to them about life and tale them about your trials and tribulations. Let them know you've tripped up in this world and have been able to stand back up.

If we all do our part and bring back the village thaat it use to take to raise these children/youth, we may spend less time mourning over losing love ones earlier than anyone could expect.......

Ahmad

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 26, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

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