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Bramlet Makes a Case

I caught a couple of quarters of the World Bowl (My annual party was pretty intense! And those commercials!!!) just to see what Casey Bramlet could do. He had an impressive game, although it was NFL Europa. Still, he led the She Devils (er, Sea Devils) to the upset win and was MVP. Next up, Redskins training camp (after he gets married), where one of the compelling story lines should be the competition at backup QB. The team doesn't figure to keep two "elderly" backups, but will it be Gibbs' guy or Saunders' guy who goes? Certainly Bramlet will come into camp with a hot hand, but that may not mean he's the next Kurt Warner. As you guys have pointed out, he's increased his value to the team, even if it's for trading purposes.
As promised, we covered the game ...
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062301134.html
And, in case you missed it Saturday, Mark Maske did a very nice job on a Kevin Mitchell story. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062201782.html
We're 48 posts away from 62k. I start vaca tomorrow; I'll check in now and then.

By Cindy Boren  |  June 24, 2007; 9:53 AM ET
 
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We need to start a Casey fan club.

1st

Posted by: AEE | June 24, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Bramlet for president. no first for you tools

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

dammit AEE

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ROMO SUCKS! | June 24, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Romo SUCKS! | June 24, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Dealer, from the last post, thanls for the info on Google.

I saw that, would be nice, alas the wife is pretty firmly entrenched in this area.

I check gis jobs clearinghouse everyday, and just watch the jobs float by.

Oh well, pushing for a promotion within my company, so hopefully that plays out.

Posted by: Zebra | June 24, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Could Cowher be a Cowboy?
Posted: Sunday June 24, 2007 08:16AM ET
Any number of NFL teams could take a run at Bill Cowher. It wouldn't surprise anyone if Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fired Wade Phillips after just one season to make a pitch for him. Patience is running thin with Giants coach Tom Coughlin. The same is true with the Buccaneers' Jon Gruden. But the Panthers, Redskins and Browns probably make the most sense.

Posted by: Via cnnsi.com | June 24, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mark Brunell's Cousin | June 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

just so you can't

Posted by: kjh | June 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

just so you can't

Posted by: kjh | June 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

beep boop boop beep

Posted by: pack4life | June 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I would love it if Cowher went to the Browns. The stillers fans would have implode. He wouldnt do anything with the browns but it would be funny.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | June 24, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Vacation? How long and where? Do tell. This is Redskins Inside Her where we have no secrets.

Posted by: KK | June 24, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey,can anybody tell me if Comcast has added the NFL network channel to its premium list?I was getting it free,but last night I was flipping chanels and got a message saying I wasnt authorized for that channel.Where you at 85?

Posted by: dawglbs | June 23, 2007 08:49 AM


same thing happened to me. that sh*tty company comcast is trying to steal more money from people by moving it to the sports package. $5 more a month for that and probably a bunch of other garbage channels nobody wants.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

THANK the football Gods a lucky break. The guy seems like a hard worker. He sounds like the type that won't be stopped in training camp.

(Jason, keep in mind that this coaching staff has groomed at least SIX NFC conference / superbowl QBs in the halcyon past. NOW, it does seem that perhaps Mr. Bramlet's sudden leap forward may at least in part be attributed to that? Its why I am betting that its worth getting Direct TV's very expensive HD Sunday ticket to watch them this year.)

Campbell has benefited from hard work and the coaching staff. Now Bramlet must do the same. Injuries to a QB are often the reason a playoff run ends. Whether he continues to play or goes on the IR. Leading to Brunell. If Bramlet makes a strong case in training camp, if Palmer makes a strong case as well I can't imagine them keeping either veteran. Gibbs will come up with a way to keep Brunell around if he can. But one has to think about the future of the franchise. And you can't rely on one QB. Just ask Atlanta, Philadelphia and Minnesota. Look at how successful and smart San Diego was keeping both Rivers and Brees.

In a way it may be the beginning of the end of Gibbs tenure if he decides to keep 3 young QBs instead of Brunell. Under a new coach Brunell would likely be the first to go.

Posted by: periculum | June 24, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Vic Carucci, thinks that our problems will end up being at QB... I will be happy when he is shown how one eats crow.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10234177

Posted by: 35332 | June 24, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

KK, NYC for most of the vaca.

Posted by: Cindy | June 24, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Maske's Kevin Mitchell article was fabulous. Very well done.

The Seattle Pride Parade is making its way right past my front door right now. All the thumping and clanging and hoopla. Don't they understand how hungover I am?

And, now the bagpipes...

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Who isn't hung over the day after the World Bowl?

Posted by: Cindy | June 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, if you're doing a NYC excursion, you must head to Daniel for dinner. I managed to get a table last week...wow.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit, those Budweiser guys sure know how to use the World Bowl. But the best commercial definitely goes to GoDaddy.com. I think I finally understand what GoDaddy.com does: they make World Bowl commercials.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I am going to go outside in a moment and strangle those damn bagpipers.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Alex Baldinger mailed in that Casey Bramlet article. I could have written that from the comfort of my bagpipe-filled living room.

Are we done celebrating the 35th anniversary of Watergate yet? What's in store for the 36th? God, I hope you guys get ponies next year. Nothing like ice cream, ponies, and Bob Woodward to liven up a party.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

thanks ocho!

diddy, you gotta admit godaddy came really late to the race and they still managed to steal business away from the big companies. i want to know how they pitched this idea to their investment companies (financial backers).

have fun in nyc cindy. and say hello to all my cabbie friends for me :)

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

F Mexico

Posted by: SMACK | June 24, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I think GoDaddy differentiates on customer self-service. I have to admit, I've used many hosting providers in my day...GoDaddy's service is pretty good. Granted, that's like saying one cellular network drops less calls than another, but you get the idea.

No idea how GoDaddy pitched. But one thing I've learned in the past 2 months is that if you've got a charismatic frontman, you can swindle no shortage of money out of VCs.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

We need as much of this as possible out of our opponents. Dealer put the word out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2914361

Posted by: Distraction action | June 24, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

lol@da. it's pretty sad. i think if goodell just bans pacman for at least 5 years. this sorta idotic behavior will take care of itself. even the leaches don't want the cash to run out. it's not like they're groupies and can go from one player to another. those players is all they got. if that player/host goes down they all go down.

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I used to live in nyc, so I've done the Daniel thing...wonderful...I take the subway more often than cabs, but I'll mention your name, dealer.

Posted by: Cindy | June 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

diddy, seriously does sex matter? is having a good looking woman (smart and all) a bad thing as your "frontman"? or will it work to your advantage? cuz all i got is women who know their shti (qualified). i only know one decent guy who can pitch it. what say you a woman who knows her shti and is good looking or a guy who's good looking and also can pitch it?

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

as a kid i had the opportunity to go in one of the apartments of these cabbies. it was so amazing to see them live and work. basically that yellow cab never shuts down. it's on 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. it's probably the most used vehicle in the world.

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

above was in regards to NYC cabbies.

nyc subway is scary. you just earned more blog cred for that. don't mess with CB!

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i've only been scared once on the nyc subway and that was by a giant rat, the four-legged variety by the port authority. i stared him/her down. i refuse to tell you what i was doing at the port authority.

Posted by: Cindy | June 24, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I think a woman who is both beautiful and competent would intimidate many men, independent of profession. That may be changing with my generation and later, though.

Independent of that, money is the great equalizer. In my experience, rich people are all nuts. Nuts in a good way, mind you. But nuts, nonetheless. No matter who you are, if you're trying to pitch a rich guy or gal to give you money, you better have all your stuff together, whether you are a man or a woman. There have been many stories of girlfriends of famous entrepreneurs in the Valley getting funding for their silly ideas. But by and large, whether you are a man or a woman, getting funding is an uphill battle.

The "charismatic frontman" part is actually not a bad thing. If your idea is lame, you're not getting funded. If your idea is good but you can't make a case for it, you're not getting funded (or you may get funded, but your VC will assign you a corporate stooge to mind the shop). If your idea is good, and you can make a case for it, and you can project an aura of competence, confidence, and vision...well, it's still going to be hard, but you have a fighting chance.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 24, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

thanks diddy!

i think we all know what actuaries do at NYCPA cindy.

Posted by: dealer | June 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It would be sweet if he has a good preseason and another team outside our division needs a QB and we could get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him.

Posted by: Luvsmesumme | June 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I was assessing risk, all right!

Posted by: Cindy | June 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Baldinger served it up so fresh and so clean w/ that Bramlet coverage, lets bump Brunney to 3rd stringer, stick Brammy in the no. 2 slot and get some real QB development going in Washington (Todd Collins can tie laces and fetch water on the sidelines)

Posted by: Outkast | June 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Please don't cut me Coach Joe. I saved your life and we are both Christians.

Posted by: Mark Brunell | June 24, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Go the Dutch U/21's!! Woohoo!!!

Posted by: kost52 | June 24, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat - I've sent you an invite via the NFL site, if you don't receive anything, let me know and I'll email you the details.

Anyone else interested?

Posted by: kost52 | June 24, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

SMACK -

You've had a great weekend soccer-wise haven't you! USA winning the Gold Cup, you got your Thierry Henry wish, and the Jong Oranje won the Under 21 Championships!

Posted by: kost52 | June 24, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the Redskins trade him for a 2nd Round pick. They are really stupid for not doing that...Idiots

Posted by: Jon | June 24, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Please don't cut me. I have a family

Posted by: Mark Brunell | June 24, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Hi, I'am Shawn Spring cornerback for your favorite team

Posted by: Shawn Spring | June 24, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Gee it's quiet in here today isn't it!

I guess it's a pretty quiet time in general sports wise isn't it. With only one of the major sports going on at the moment. Although I guess there is a lot of NBA trade talk, and the draft on Friday.

In regards to the Marion-Jamison talks that went on earlier, I agree with Lisa, it's just not going to happen. If the Suns trade the Matrix it's going to be to improve the team. I don't think Jamison is an improvement.

Posted by: kost52 | June 24, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Perineum
Please go away - you consistently kill the buzz on this blog whenever you post. Nothing personal...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 24, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

there going to cut me

Posted by: say it ain't so ade jimoh | June 24, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

SMACK -

You've had a great weekend soccer-wise haven't you! USA winning the Gold Cup, you got your Thierry Henry wish, and the Jong Oranje won the Under 21 Championships!

Posted by: kost52 | June 24, 2007 08:08 PM

Hell yeah kost! Woo hoo. You ain't much if you ain't Dutch. $32 million, love it. That's like Brandon Lloyd money!

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: smack | June 25, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

SMACK, what a coincidence, I'm going to see the Truckers next week when they come through town. I haven't seen them live yet, but have heard such great things that I can't pass it up. Looking forward to it.

You are a fan, I take it?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 25, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha!!

If Cindy's numbers were correct, then we just passed 62,000 posts. The winning entry was posted by, "say it ain't so ade jimoh | June 24, 2007 10:22 PM"

Of course, since the poster was anonymous, we can't award the prize. Too bad!!!

Posted by: Blog Counter | June 25, 2007 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Got the invite and responded, thanks Kost.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, just me and the tumblin' tumbleweeds this morning....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Not quite, Redcoat! Blog counter is pretty good; we're at 62,013.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Yep Redcoat,

Vacation and offseason blues have truly begun.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cindy, you were being teasingly coy last night about the NYC subway. What was that about? And how is the big apple - are you there yet?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey Zebra, where are you that Mrs/Ms Zebra won't move?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh, bleep! I'm on vacation! Doh!
Not in NYC yet. I have some stuff to do here first, like visit my dermatologist, who has divulged the disturbing news that, at the age of, oh, mid-60s and with no musical leanings whatsoever, he has taken up the banjo. I fear he will play the one song he knows (What are the odds it's half of the "Deliverance" song???) or, worse, invite me to his recital before numbing me and removing this benign (Thanks for asking!) molething from my neck.
Honestly, I really have no NYC subway stories, other than the huge rat I ran into on the stairs at, actually, Penn Station (the 1/9 line).

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Its not so much where we are, it is where we are in relation to her family. Her family is freakishly close to one another. Parents are more like friends.

So she told me before we married that she does not want to live very far from her family. So I told her then I wont make a lot of money. It was a trade off, I guess.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Love over money is always the right move, Z.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Gary Larson in thinking that h*ll has a room filled with banjo and accordion players. Half of deliverance would be really cool to hear, as he plays his part and waits for the response which never comes!

Unrelatedly, when my son was growing up and first heard the word 'dermatologist' he asked why people called 'Dermot' had their own doctor. He's well-meaning, but not a smart boy.... :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Cindy; Thats what they tell me. Although my friends would probably think differently ;)

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Never having had any money it's hard to make a valid judgement, but I think Cindy's right.

So Z, did the family have some sort of elaborate welcoming ritual when you became 'one of us'? Or do they finish each other's sentences?

Cindy, you shouldn't have blown the cover on your subway story, it had just the right air of mystery before.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

He took up the banjo to spend time with his son, who's probably in his 30s and plays guitar. There really is a recital next month....
The story about your son is great, Redcoat...I'll share it with my dermot.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Love or money? A dollop of both is highly recommended.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Cindy, you appear to have a surprisingly high level of redundant intimacy with your dermatologists life!

Sorry to hear about the mole thing; Mrs Redcoat has similar annoyances but can't face going to see a 'Diarmidh' (I always liked the Irish spelling - it's so opaque) to do anything about them. Do you have any sage words for me on persuading her to do something?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the first subway story is true. This one is a ruse.
I'm out the door. I'll check in periodically, but, for the next three weeks, I'm not going to think much about the N, F or L or any of its subsidiary products.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

funny you ask Red;

I met her mother and sister (older) at 3 am in the morning when she was called home for a family crisis.

got there and they were talking, felt really outta place, and it was b/c her sister cheated on her boyfriend. they were talking about it, how to deal with it, how to work the problem. then her mother turns to me and says, so what would you do?

I was flummoxed, I stuttered a little, and said the 'right' answer.

So I dont know if that was the answer they wanted, but it was the one they got, and now 10 years later I am still around.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what was the 'right' answer to that one,
tell him straight out?

Congratulations on 10 years. And all kidding aside, I would make the choice you made ANY day - it's the only one that let's you look yourself in the eye in the mirror.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Happy vacation Cindy, see you in 3 weeks.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Come on guys, it's downhill running all the way to 100k from here. We're already at 62k and change!

Ah, what's the use....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

No, it was to break it off, which she didn't. they ended up getting engaged a year later, but she called it off after a month and ended the relationship.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a job as an agony-aunt awaits you any time you want to give up the GIS stuff.

Have you joined Kost's fantasy league yet? How about you Cload?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"Nate in't PDX" (I say that in honour of his ancestry) and I have, but I don't think anyone else from here has yet.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Not really into the Fantasy side of football. I used to play but I felt like it skewed my view of games and player stats. Almost too much football, if there is such a thing.

Time to order my RI shirts!

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry SMACK, just realized you're there too.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Who is the league through? Yahoo?

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Funny you say that Z as it helped me to gain a much broader appreciation for the game and its subtleties, by making games interesting for me that didn't feature Miami.

Back in the UK I'd watch Dolphins games or the highlights of their games and that was about it. Now I can even watch Washington games as I did really well in Fantasy last year by picking on their 'D'. :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

NFL.com, so it's a freebie, with some discussion about charity donations for the losers.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

love over money...

i have yet to learn that love is more important than money. probably because i've had love in abundance but never had money. so i chose to chase money. and it is true that money doesn't buy you happiness. because if you're someone like me and you want to acquire as much wealth as possible you're never satisfied. and when things don't go the way you want 'em that dissatisfaction makes you not so happy.

speaking of moles cindy...i saw five of 'em around my house walls. they've dug tunnels like it's the gaza strip. so question to you folks...those tunnels around my house aren't going in my basement are they?

Posted by: dealer | June 25, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

guys, please reconsider the league thru nfl.com. do it thru yahoo. it's painless. just wait till august...and we'll start this thing up again. i think bucktown is pretty good at this i'm pretty sure he'll bring it up again.

Posted by: dealer | June 25, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Hi Dealer, I think the idea with Kost's league was that he has a few friends in Oz in there and the rest of us are just making up the numbers.

I'm up for joining on Yahoo too if that makes any difference.

And as far as I know, the moles will avoid solid stuff like walls and just tunnel around it. The will make your garden look like it's come under sustained artillery fire though unless you do something about them.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned the idea of traiding Bram for a 2nd round pick... I say no, wait for Godell to render his verdict in the Mike Vick case, if the guy is out 8-16 games offer them MB for a 2nd round or 3rd. Traiding their backup was a bad move, Vick should be laid out by Godell

Posted by: 35332 | June 25, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Both are free so it doesn't matter. We should leave it to kost since he is the commish. I personally like NFL since it is easier to see your stats, and the fact that you can put up your own story lines, pics and the like to your league homepage.

The last two years I played there was a guy who had two accounts, and was busted by me for collusion. So I railed him on that homepage with funny pictures and text.

But that is a personal like, I have played both and can talk smack on both. I will join in. Can you give me the link?

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and my name each year is cowgirls suck.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the only team stupid enough to give up a 3rd for MB. That is laughable.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Do you have an offline email Z? I'll forward you the invite that Kost sent to me.

And a 2nd rounder for Brunell? Nobody is that desperate....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

zebraskins at verizon dot net.

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Sent to you just now.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Cool, Im in

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

SMACK, what a coincidence, I'm going to see the Truckers next week when they come through town. I haven't seen them live yet, but have heard such great things that I can't pass it up. Looking forward to it.

You are a fan, I take it?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 25, 2007 01:43 AM

Nate, they are pretty good, but I hear they are only playing banjos this time 'round

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Hi I'm Skippy and I have a mental plate in my head. My favorite day is wednesday because that's when I take my blue tablets. Today I am mostly eating ho hos.

I was sad to hear that redskims sarong safety LaVerne Laundry's tentacles swelled up to the size of a grape, but why did the redskims draft an octopus?

Also Mr Lamarr Herringbone broke his arm when he fell off his bike, but why did daddy take off his training wheels?

I will go now as nurse is coming to do my blanket bath.

Fondly,
Snippy

Posted by: Skippy | June 25, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"The Croyle hit

Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle is glad Washington is not on the Chiefs' schedule until 2009. Croyle still hears the footsteps of Washington's first-round draft pick, safety LaRon Landry.

Before he gained ignominy for missing practice time because he recently took a paintball to the groin, Landry was one of college football's most ferocious hitters at LSU. When asked recently about his most memorable hit, Landry did not hesitate.

"I'd say the Brodie Croyle hit my junior year," Landry said of a sack during LSU's 16-13 win over Alabama in 2005. "We had a double blitz from the safeties ... we were both blitzing up the middle. One of the safeties was going to come free. I was the free one. I just came in full speed, nonstop."

Croyle remembered that hit. And he was constantly reminded of it -- and several others -- during the buildup to the NFL draft.

"Every time they showed LaRon Landry highlights, I was on it," Croyle said. "I was with some buddies watching one day, and I said, 'Man that cat can hit.' They showed him just (drilling) a guy ... and it was me."

"

Posted by: 4th via KC Star | June 25, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Two posts in an hour. We're dying up here guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Everyon is here, but is just waiting for something relevent to come up....

Posted by: Annonymous | June 25, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Relevance!

"Plaintiff Gets Nothing in $54M Case of Missing Pants
Ruling for Dry Cleaner May Spell Bigger Woes for D.C. Judge Roy Pearson

By Henri E. Cauvin and Debbi Wilgoren
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, June 25, 2007; 11:00 AM

The D.C. administrative law judge who sued his neighborhood dry cleaner for $54 million over a pair of lost pants found out this morning what he's going to get for all his troubles.

Nothing.

In a verdict that surprised no one, except perhaps the plaintiff himself, a D.C. Superior Court judge denied Roy Pearson the big payday he claimed was his due.

Delivering her decision in writing, Judge Judith Bartnoff wrote 23 pages dissecting and dismissing Pearson's claim that he was defrauded by the owners of Custom Cleaners and their "Satisfaction Guaranteed" sign.

"A reasonable consumer would not interpret 'Satisfaction Guaranteed' to mean that a merchant is required to satisfy a customer's unreasonable demands or to accede to demands that the merchant has reasonable grounds to dispute," the ruling said. " . . . The plaintiff is not entitled to any relief whatsoever."

It was a pointed rebuke of Pearson's claim, and came with an order to pay the cleaners' court costs. But even bigger troubles may loom for Pearson.

Financially, he could soon be on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees incurred by the owners of Customer Cleaners. Attorneys for the Chungs have said they will seek such payments, as well as sanctions against Pearson for bringing the lawsuit. Bartnoff said in her ruling that she would decide those issues after both sides have filed their motions, counter-motions and legal briefs.

Professionally, Pearson could find himself out of his $96,000-a-year job as an administrative law judge for the District government.

All that is certain right now is that he won't be getting the multi-million dollar payout he demanded when he filed suit in 2005 against Soo Chung and her husband, the owners of Custom Cleaners.

"

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Anybody see the AquaTeenHungerForce Colon Movie For Theaters, etc. movie? I didn't expect it to stay long in the plexes, but still didn't get a chance to witness it. Yes, I'm a huge dork.

Posted by: D7 | June 25, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Two words: tort reform.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

That's a great album name: New, from your favorite local band, Jobless Pearson- The Chungs Lost My Pants.

Posted by: D7 | June 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We need a proper definition for a "vexatious person" under the law here. That would stop all theis shti.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

And anyway - what's a colon movie? Doesn't sound like good viewing to me, dork or no dork.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Colon Movie? Never (want to) heard of it....

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Apparently it's the "AquaTeenHungerForce Colon Movie" spunds pretty scary.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Major thanks to Redcoat and Dealer for keeping us going here today...the NFL really does disappear for one month.
Unless Pacman decides to par-tay.
I'm info central on moles...first, the kind in the yard. Dealer, take some mothballs and drop them in the holes. I don't think they'll come into your basement, but that'll keep 'em back from the house. And you won't be killing critters.
As for the skin kind, Redcoat...it's a good excuse to tell Mrs. R how important she is to you. Try that. I get checked twice a year and have had several basal-cell cancers removed. Basal cell isn't a huge deal -- it doesn't metastasize and you won't die from it, but you should have them removed. Then there's melanoma. My first cousin died of it, as did the website sports editor, Bill Grant, in March. While it's horrendous, it can be caught early and dealt with. I'm paying the price for being fair-skinned and having had sunburns. Now, with the ozone layer issues, you can get sun damage just from going to work! So everyone should get checked. Besides, Dermot needs a new banjo.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The pants in question have been donated to Chris Cooley. There has been no explanation given for this turn of events.

More details as we make them up...

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The pants in question have been donated to Chris Cooley. There has been no explanation given for this turn of events.

More details as we make them up...

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:46 AM

Please, no 'film at 11' on this story, I've only just erased that image from my mind as it is....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tip Cindy, I'll try that with Mrs R this evening. I think it's unlikely that they are malignant - although she is freckle city by this time of year - but she most definitely IS squeamish about removal. Is it painful at all? I think it's just the thought of it she doesn't like...

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, the pants are to be paired with a remoulade-stained replica of Jerry Seinfeld's shirt and modeled by the NFL tight end at a charity fashion show [and not a cheap clip joint for picking up tarts -- I deny that completely].

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Hooray for the Chungs!
Did you see the Cooley item (a short, natch!) in Style on Sunday? Enlarge the photo at your own peril...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/23/AR2007062301521.html

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

...at a charity fashion show [and not a cheap clip joint for picking up tarts -- I deny that completely].

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:55 AM

Two words: tart reform

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Natural selection at work; if your society looks at dogs more as food sources than pets, what is the darwinist-natural reaction?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/06/23/PH2007062300101.html?nav=hcmodule

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

From the same article:

"But clearly the party's great hope is former Redskin Heath Shuler, newly elected from North Carolina's 11th District. "He's hit about three or four out of the ballpark in practice. It's hard to believe he was just a quarterback, he looks like a linebacker. The problem is he can't run" -- owing to a career-ending foot injury. "He's either going to hit a home run or a single, then we have to get him a pinch runner," said Doyle.

"

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Natural selection should have removed Heath Shuler from the human roster.

Posted by: Sage Monkey | June 25, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Natural selection at work; if your society looks at dogs more as food sources than pets, what is the darwinist-natural reaction?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/06/23/PH2007062300101.html?nav=hcmodule

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 12:09 PM

Holy crap!!! Is that fugly or what?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It isn't painful at all if, as with all cancers, it's caught early. Usually they can freeze growths off with nitrogen. Those are usually just the red growths (ketoses -- not sure of spelling; I'm on vaca!). Kornheiser, for instance, also has those; we're both serial frecklers like Mrs. 'Coat. He'd tell you they aren't painful if taken care of regularly while small.
I've had a couple of basal cell growths that are, if not painful, at least uncomfortable for a couple of days after removal. That's a two-step process: first removal, followed by further removal when the test results are positive. That's when they scrape down to healthy tissue. You can really feel the difference because the healthy tissue is firm against the spoon-shaped scalpel. I'm sorry if this is gross or too much info on skin and not enough on the Skins! But it's summer; the sun is lethal!
If you can't convince your wife to see a Dermot, you have to step up, 'Coat. Check her out! Watch for changes in moles or irregularly shaped ones. Those are the two most important things. And pay attention to her back; she can't see back there. Feel free to multi-task (and I don't mean banjo-playing) while doing this....

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen this ridiculous article!?!?!?

http://cbs.sportsline.com/spin/story/10230805

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Actinic keratosis" is the term for those not on vacation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Cindy, that's a big help.

I'm more than happy to man-up to the challenge of checking her out - and do at every available opportunity - but I'm also going to push her to see a Dermot. Our health insurance doesn't require a referral, so I'll see if I can find a story to scare her into it!

This discussion brings a whole new meaning to 'Redskins Insider' for me.

Have a great vaca Cindy and stay well lathered with SPF1,000,000. BTW, is someone back at the base going to post a random new thread every day or so for us to witter on in?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or is Bush wearing a 'skort' in that picture? As if the black socks weren;t bad enough....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Actinic keratosis! Thank you, mystery person.
Thanks for the fun wishes; Jasno and I will check in every so often.

Posted by: Cindy | June 25, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with this headline and topic. Bramlet makes a case?

I am sorry to say I watched ALOT of the World Bowl game and seriously, I wasn't impressed. Sure he threw some good passes that were right on the money, but he has been playing QB since middle school. He should throw decent passes. He also either over threw or threw into the hands of a DB in the redzone 3 other times. He doesn't have very much on any of his throw.

I know it has alot to do with the time of year (nothing else to talk abut right now) but seriously considering him for anything other than a #3 AT BEST is a reach. I would prefer Palmer over hm based on arm strength alone. There is tougher competition in the Atlantic 10 that in Europe. Soups,8,and Bramlet/Palmer is my 3 with the loser between those two as a practice squad member. No more silly talk of trading Bramlet for a DE or DT.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with this headline and topic. Bramlet makes a case?

I am sorry to say I watched ALOT of the World Bowl game and seriously, I wasn't impressed. Sure he threw some good passes that were right on the money, but he has been playing QB since middle school. He should throw decent passes. He also either over threw or threw into the hands of a DB in the redzone 3 other times. He doesn't have very much on any of his throw.

I know it has alot to do with the time of year (nothing else to talk abut right now) but seriously considering him for anything other than a #3 AT BEST is a reach. I would prefer Palmer over hm based on arm strength alone. There is tougher competition in the Atlantic 10 that in Europe. Soups,8,and Bramlet/Palmer is my 3 with the loser between those two as a practice squad member. No more silly talk of trading Bramlet for a DE or DT.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with this headline and topic. Bramlet makes a case?

I am sorry to say I watched ALOT of the World Bowl game and seriously, I wasn't impressed. Sure he threw some good passes that were right on the money, but he has been playing QB since middle school. He should throw decent passes. He also either over threw or threw into the hands of a DB in the redzone 3 other times. He doesn't have very much on any of his throw.

I know it has alot to do with the time of year (nothing else to talk abut right now) but seriously considering him for anything other than a #3 AT BEST is a reach. I would prefer Palmer over hm based on arm strength alone. There is tougher competition in the Atlantic 10 that in Europe. Soups,8,and Bramlet/Palmer is my 3 with the loser between those two as a practice squad member. No more silly talk of trading Bramlet for a DE or DT.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

And what is the deal with those socks? Is that the Presidential Seal stamped on them?

Hail to the Feet!

Posted by: Fashion Police | June 25, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the repost.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hail to em is so jazzed up, he posted not once, not twice, but thrice!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I can see trading him for a 7th in a bass case scenario..........

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Damn! Cindy isn't 30 seconds out the door and the triple posts have already started.

(Please press "Submit" only once and wait for Breakable Type to do its thing. Yes, it's slow, but it does work - eventually.)

Posted by: Server to the Stars | June 25, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or is Bush wearing a 'skort' in that picture? As if the black socks weren;t bad enough....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 12:29 PM

If you look really close, I believe those are Presidential socks. I see an eagle and some stars. I wonder if they make kneepads.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If you look really close, I believe those are Presidential socks. I see an eagle and some stars. I wonder if they make kneepads.

Posted by: | June 25, 2007 12:51 PM

Ask Monica.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, maybe we can trade Bramlet for a largemouth or two.

Posted by: Roland Martin | June 25, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

WHY would anyone want to get him even for a 7th? he is 3rd string at best, most likely practice squad. Some one could put him on their active roster, and he will be gone. That league is not binging stars to the NFL any longer. If I hear once more, Kurt Warner came from there... soooo the freak what. That was almost 10 years ago, and if ever there was a "system" QB it was him.

Driving me crazy here ladies and gents. Got to be practical here. If we are looking at Bramlet as any BUT a person to throw picks to Smoot in practice, then some of us just dont get it.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Look at that Bush photo, then look at this.

http://www.nexternal.com/swisher/images/Avanti_01306_200.jpg

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Is 'smoot' the past tense of 'smite'? If yes, entirely appropriate name.

Just askin'.

Posted by: Mike Giggler | June 25, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"(Please press "Submit" only once and wait for Breakable Type to do its thing. Yes, it's slow, but it does work - eventually.)

Posted by: Server to the Stars | June 25, 2007 12:48 PM

"

Please explain what this is and how it works? I always wondered?

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, they are Presidential Seal socks - (do they keep the Presidential Seal at the National Zoo?)

The Aqua Teen Hunger Force: Movie, while I didn't see it, reviewed by a fan of the show, said it was too long and very weird - but you can say that about all of the ATHF stuff, I guess.

Posted by: John D In Houston | June 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

tough crowd. I did apologize already fellow skins nerds.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: STTS | June 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was loseable type? Once or twice a day it just 'dumps' a post of mine, and not because I've already pressed submit.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/

Posted by: STTS | June 25, 2007 01:08 PM

I didn't comprehend a thing when I clicked on the site. Could someone drop it lay-man's terms for me?

I need this if I want to blog?

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hi 4th. I think that some ISPs offer a hosted blog for their subscribers under their web hosting packages. Depending on who you connect to the Internets through, they may be able to provide the software for you.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Do whatever you have to do to get Mrs. Redcoat to the dermatologist. I am also fair-skinned with freckles and moles and spent lots of time in the sun in my younger days. About 10 years ago, I had a mole that changed. Sure enough, it was a melanoma. With a shot of Novocaine, the removal was painless, and the aftermath only slightly uncomfortable. Technically, I am a cancer survivor, but I do not feel like one. Melanomas are very serious and are almost always fatal if not caught in time. But, if they are removed when detected, the only consequence is a small scar, which is much better than the alternative.

I also go to the dermatologist twice year - excellent preventative care.

Good luck with Mrs. Redcoat.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | June 25, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mark. I'll try the full court press on this tonight.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

To quote skippy earlier, any word on LaRon's 'tentacles'?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I think I get it. Thanks!

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, if you go to www.blogger.com, it looks like you can set up a free blog there if you have a google account.

I know that Cload and Daggar uses this, so he should be able to give you pointers.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th- Not sure how things are shaking out on the job front, but I saw this and thought of you. Plus there's other financial/tax type stuff on their site.

http://secured.kenexa.com/discoveryv4/newhr/jobdesc.asp?ID=4622

Posted by: 4-12 | June 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

no way gibbs goes into the season with three young qb's. if brunell can throw he makes the team.

Posted by: Old School | June 25, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess that rules Brunell out then!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Where is Nate?

Posted by: jm220 | June 25, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I love those Skippy posts.

I also love the way chRis LaRry'S name always contains randomly capitalized letters.

We still don't know who shot LaRon.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Breaking: Tank Johnson has been cut by the Bears (as reported by espn). For those reluctant to jump on the Anthony Montgomery bus, this may be relevant.

Posted by: Geoff | June 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4-12! I have anywhere between 2-5 weeks left. I fit this position to a T!

What a coincidence: My mother told me over the weekend(moms always give advice no matter how old you are) to apply at Discovery because her next door neighbor grandson works as an accountant over there. Mightbe a good Omen.

Not to interject religion, but does anybody watch Joel Olsteen? He comes off as a generally good natured person. Anyhow his weekly message always seems to be about what concerning me most during the past week. Well, he speaking of praying for the right job opportunity and not being down on opportunities you didn't get (such as I was on Friday when my 1st choice turned me down) and realize that night not have been the best when you look at the whole picture. My spirits are defintely up now!

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

1. Who is the most overrated player in the league?

Mark Schlereth: The Cowboys' Roy Williams

All I can say is, Amen.

Posted by: gethanr13 | June 25, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Geoff;

Gibbs will not bring in a troubled player who already will miss the first 8 games, not to mention what else is tacked on by Goddell after this latest transgression.

Back on the Montgomery bandwagon!

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Old School
I totally agree. The though of Gibbs going into the season with three QBs who have a total of 7 GAMES of NFL experience is laughable. That is just absolutely ridiculous...look in the dictionary under "Periculum" for stuff like that.

Posted by: AL | June 25, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If this was Spurrier - He would have been here on Redskin One today!

Dealer can verify this claim.....

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting to see how the backup QB roles shake out during training camp. I think there will be a legitimate competition for #2 and #3 spots. I doubt Gibbs will be partial to Brunell if he doesn't look sharp.

If it isn't Brunell they'll keep Collins, right? There is no way Hollenbach, Palmer, or Bramlet could step in if #1 and #2 are injured.


Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

You know what song makes me wish my teenage years were in the late 60's / early 70's.

Seals and Crofts - Summer Breeze

Posted by: Zebra | June 25, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

1) Campbell
B) Brunell or Collins
F) Bramlet or Palmer

Practice Squad) Palmer or Hollenbach

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

4th,
Ride the wave, don't worry about your 1st choice. And don't forget to get at least a few days off between jobs if you can. Peace.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

1. Soups
2. Brunell
3. Collins

P. Palmer

They aren't going to let go someone who has been in the system and can help in the film room. Palmer is in the same mold as Soups (size, arm, etc...) Palmer will be the backup for years to come.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So is Palmer a lock for a spot somewhere because he was drafted. If so, his stock must be higher than Bramlet's.

What's the market for the likes of Collins, Brunell, Hollenbach or Bramlet? It can't be that good, if Culpepper is getting kicked to the curb.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Zebra

The Isley Brothers did a remake right in my wheelhouse... the mid to late 70s

Posted by: AL | June 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Jasno has been reporting that the word is they aren't keeping both Brunell and Collins, so if Brunell is recovered in Gibbs' eyes then he is #2 other wise they will stick with Collins. The other will be released. Beyond that is a mystery, but I think Bramlet has the best shot based on what he did in NFL Europa, but Palmer will still be competition for the #3. Ultimately I see it as:

1. Campbell
2. Brunell
3. Bramlet
p. Palmer

I also think it will be a possibility that Palmer is playing in Europe next year (if the league exist) based mainly on how well it appears Bramlet is developing.

Posted by: gethanr13 | June 25, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the encougement Stumped.

Brunell and Collins will not be on the same roster as I thought we all agreed as a given. Their both tooo old a do not present a future for the team.

The real question is who will win: Gibbs or Saunders? That is Gibbs QB vs. Saunders QB

1. Campbell
2. Brunell (Gibbs will always WIN)
3. Palmer

Practice Squad - Hollenbach

Traded to Raiders for a 7th Rounder - Bramlett

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As of yet, Tank Johnson's latest offense is "pulled over for speeding." I am on neither the Montgomery bandwagon, nor the new facist NFL bandwagon! :)

Posted by: Geoff | June 25, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The ONLY Way Brunell dosen't make the roster is because he isn't 90% healed by Training Camp.

Remember, Gibbs will go out on a limb for someone who saved his life. And he asked the guy to take a paycut twice so far, so he def feels he owes the guy every chance in the world.....

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"LOS ANGELES -- When Paris Hilton was sprung from jail early, few were as outraged _ and as outspoken _ as the prosecutor who put her there.

But City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo's complaints of a two-tiered jail system where "the rich and powerful receive special treatment" have come to back to haunt him.

Soon after Hilton was sent back to jail earlier this month, he acknowledged his wife had committed a similar infraction _ driving with a suspended license. Among other things, he also admitted sticking the taxpayers with the bill after his wife crashed his city-issued car in 2004, and acknowledged that staffers have occasionally run personal errands and baby-sat his children.

"He was living in somewhat of a glass house," said Raphael Sonenshein, a political scientist at California State University, Fullerton.

The disclosures have led the California bar and the city Ethics Commission to open investigations of one of Los Angeles' highest-ranking law enforcement officers.

"

Posted by: 4th via WaPo | June 25, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Germany Bans Cruise Film Shoot

By Louis Charbonneau
Reuters
Monday, June 25, 2007; 12:33 PM

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany has barred the makers of a movie about a plot to kill Adolf Hitler from filming at German military sites because its star Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, the Defense Ministry said on Monday.

Cruise, also one of the film's producers, is a member of the Church of Scientology which the German government does not recognize as a church. Berlin says it masquerades as a religion to make money, a charge Scientology leaders reject.

The U.S. actor has been cast as Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, leader of the unsuccessful attempt to assassinate the Nazi dictator in July 1944 with a bomb hidden in a briefcase.

"

Cruise needs to call his boy Danny and tell him bring cash and baseball bats......

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The RI blog should be a "Paris Free Zone"

MANLAW?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Bramlett is a plesant surprise. Winning a championship is not an easy task, even if it was in Europe. I sure hope he can earn a roster spot, as he's certainly put in the work. He can bring that winning attitude the skins desperately need.

I also like what I'm hearing about Anthony Montgomery. He has made great strides and the players say he has the best size and athleticism of any D-lineman the skins have. Sounds like he's learning how to use that ability and may eventually become an elite DT. Good read about his improvements on redskins.com.

I believe our linebacker's will be one of the best units in the league this year. They will be the heart and soul of our defense. That alone will help the d-line play with more freedom. Oh yeah, Landry and Taylor (the LT combo) will probably make a few plays too.

Looks like a soft schedule, so anything less than .500 this year is unacceptable. It's time for the skins to get back their swagger!! Can't wait for opening day!

Posted by: Max | June 25, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If they move the production to Russia you can save the bats and just give them Kit Kats.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Paris Free Zone", All Deliveries In Rear.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

3 yr comPARISon

Bramlet - 9,684yds passing - 767 attemps - 56 Td

Palmer - 9,916 passing - 1229 attempts - 81 TD

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

MAnLaw

Cheyenne - I actually posted it because of the funny hypocrosy that is on display constantly by the law.

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

nice touch Hail...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Some of the guys in the office were talking about. You would think after the Duke Lacrosse thing these lawyers would have a little more common sense.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Never been much of a soccer player but I love to watch it on TV. FSN replayed the last couple US games in the Gold Cup.

Its always nice to see the stars and stripes beat up on the Canadians.

Then to go out a couple days later and beat Mexico in the states (even though to watch the game you would think they were playing in Tijuana)

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

F rost needs to go
R andy Thomas needs to be healthy
E arly signing of draft picks
E liminate costly penalties

P ass protection
A ggresive
R edskin Football
I nstinct
S oups

N ever Give up
O ffense
W in

(I am seriously losing it. Hurry up season.)

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 25, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Where is Zebra...gotta be a flag on that post. Thats "superfunny"

If LaVar does in fact retire, does he retire as a Redskin or Giant?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 25, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Lots of anti-dallas stuff out there... but this one is some darn good venting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw8DVZRyVY&NR=1

Posted by: 70 chip | June 25, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

a Gore from Tennessee that I would get, ahem, behind.


http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_109320.asp

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Nice job of recruiting Redcoat!

Zebra - Welcome to the league!

Anyone else, we have about 3-4 more places to fill??

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - I actually posted it because of the funny hypocrosy that is on display constantly by the law.

Posted by: 4th | June 25, 2007 05:03 PM


Stop it. There is no hypocrisy in the law. The rule of law is great. It's people who are hypocrites in their application of the law or their own behavior. Don't let high profile matters give you the wrong impression. Stories about how the law helps people don't draw the kind of attention given to $54 million pantsuits, monkey seizures and prosecutions of rich kids.

Posted by: LH | June 25, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Lots of anti-dallas stuff out there... but this one is some darn good venting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw8DVZRyVY&NR=1

Posted by: 70 chip | June 25, 2007 06:03 PM

Typical hopeless Iggles fan. Losing 23 straight NFC championship games and the occasional superbowl does not a great team make. Yeah, yeah, McNabb is great, Reid is a genius, Lurie is the best owner in the league. My buddy spouts on ad nauseum. Five superbowl wins...imagine that we would keep bringing that up! Not only have the Iggles never won one, they never will. They'll run out of Roman numerals before the Iggles win a superbowl. F the Iggles.

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,
We agree on one thing. F the Iggles.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

McCardell

I was really skeptical when this was first mentioned, but got a warm fuzzy feeling after much discussion on the blog.

Has anyone heard any more news?
(Yeah, right everyones is on Vacation.)

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of vacations...
Jasno and Lisa are out of it for a week.

But, I bet we see a Nate post up here before his week is up....the dude can't stay away from RI...wait and see.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

God I hope I get Clinton Portis in that automated draft.

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

You reckon he's going to have a big year?

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Rep. slammed as 'chickenBLEEP thief' for 'borrowing' Democrat's sign
06/25/2007 @ 11:03 am
Filed by RAW STORY


A Republican House member (pictured) was slammed by a Democratic colleague as a "chickenBLEEP thief" after borrowing one of his signs, a Capitol Hill newspaper reports.
"On Thursday, during House votes, a very angry Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) had some distinctly non-collegial words for Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)," Emily Heil reports for Roll Call's "Heard on the Hill." "The words 'gutless,' 'chickens--t' and 'thief' were flung."
The paper reports, "Shuler, a former NFL quarterback, was spotted towering over a seated Gohmert, wagging a finger in his face during the heated session, spies tell HOH."
"Gohmert's crime?" Heil continues. "Shuler and his gang, the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats, say the Texas Republican pulled off a high-stakes heist."
Heil observes, "Next time Gohmert gets the urge to steal -- or borrow -- something, HOH humbly suggests he chooses a less physically intimidating target."
Excerpts from article:
Late Wednesday night, Gohmert was heading to the House floor to come to the aid of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) as he discussed holding down federal spending. Gohmert, whose office is on the fifth floor of the Cannon House Office Building, passed the door to Shuler's office, located on the same floor, and apparently decided to make off with the sign perched on an easel outside the office, which was closed for the night.
The sign is one that all Blue Dogs post outside their offices; it changes daily and denotes the federal deficit as well as the average American's individual share thereof. Gohmert pinched the sign and then went down to the floor to rail about spending, taking a few jabs at the Democratic majority, of course, and using the purloined poster as a prop. "Frankly, I want one of these signs," he said. "I may have to change the name to the Blue Hound Dog Coalition or something."
....
Gohmert, though, denies it was stealing, since he did, after all, return the item. Borrowing is more like it, said his spokeswoman. ....And as for that confrontation on the House floor, Gohmert professes himself to be surprised. "Congressman Shuler is such a great guy, I feel sure he did not mean anything too personal," he said. "I know I did not go into his office; I know I did not steal anything; but I am still trying to discern if he might be right about my being chicken excrement."

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,
We agree on one thing. F the Iggles.

Posted by: Stumped | June 25, 2007 07:11 PM

There's common ground, you just have to find it. I must admit, when the Skins play the Iggles, there's nowhere I'd rather be. Some incredible games.

I'm sure Nate will find an internet cafe in Marrakech or the summit of Mt Everest or wherever he is.

And Philly will never, ever, ever win a superbowl.

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - I haven't heard any more on the McCardell front since last week. From the sounds of thing the Skins and the Texans have offers on the table, and he's just weighing up his options. As much as I like the idea of grabbing him, I reckon he'll end up going to the Texans. It's where he lives, and there's probably more chance of decent playing time there. The only thing I think we could offer him, is more money, and a bigger chance at playoffs.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

kost, question for ya. Does that automated draft just happen like poof! and you have a team, or can you watch it unfold? I've never been in an automated draft. I usually like to screw it up myself.

I figure Portis for about 1350 and 9. You think Betts will siphon TDs off him? Can you trust Betts in the red zone?

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure, I think it happens like poof! But Nate was talking the other day about trying to get a Live Draft going, once we get a full league we can throw up the option and try to work out a time that suits everyone.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

a Gore from Tennessee that I would get, ahem, behind.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_109320.asp

Posted by: | June 25, 2007 06:19 PM

Did you see that last year's winner was called 'Blaire Pancake'. Surely that has to be a made-up name!?!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

As for Betts, I doubt he'll be getting the ball in the Red-Zone over Portis, but I think that with the Red-Zone struggles last season, they will be trying something different. Maybe they will give the ball to Sellars more often?

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, who's called Blaire?

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

That's a, ahhh, very creative Team Name you've got Redcoat!

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Sellers is the man in the Red Zone.

What were his touches/touchdown ratio back in '05? Wasn't it like 13 touches / 8 td's or something crazy like that.....?

Uh, can someone give him the ball in the red zone?

Posted by: Big Murf | June 25, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, does this mean you like the Skins better than the Eagles? :-)

Posted by: Lisa | June 25, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Well if fantasy isn't for talking trash what is it for?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I did consider some worse ones but thought I'd go easy on you guys... :-) If the Redskins D was #31 last year the D-line wasn't even top 50 in a 32 team league....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I tried to engineer some acronyms like

R edskins
U nderperforming
B ackline
B uckles
I mmediately
S naps
H appen

But I thought I'd just be mean rather than cruel!

Posted by: Redcoats | June 25, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I could never cop to that, Lisa. I probably enjoy watching the Eagles suffer more.

Posted by: SMACK | June 25, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey SMACK, now that Henri has joined Barca do you think Rijkaard loses his job to Wenger?

A year without a major trophy is an eternity in Catalonia, made worse by losing La Liga to Madrid by the smallest of margins.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 25, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone follow the wrestling? Just heard that Chris Benoit and his family were found in their home dead.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

SO far in our league we have 3 Redskins, 1 Cowboy, 1 Eagle, 1 Dolphin, 1 Bill and a Bengal should be joining sometime soon.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

OK Kost- You sucked me in. I did fantasy football once, back in 2001, and somehow actually won the damn thing (with Eddie George and Marcus Robinson. Go figure.) Haven't wanted to do it since, but what the heck. How do I join your league? (I'll check back tomorrow...off to catch some zzzzz's now)

Posted by: 4-12 | June 25, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Max props to Redcoat for noting that "Blaire Pancake" has got to be an interesting twist on a Porno name. I believe she starred with Brad Omelet and Luke FrenchToast in "Sticky Times at IHOP High".
But BangBros would be the expert on that.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - just send me an email at kost52 at hotmail dot com. Then I'll send you the joining details.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Cload - Don't forget Mable Syrup! Always seemed to work well with Miss Pancake.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna have to tell the folks at work that I need to be able to blog at a reasonable volume between 9-4 just to keep the pithy comments relevant. But here goes -- on the Moveable Type/Loseable Type/Breakable Type question, the software has a decent reputation in the business, but it clearly has a couple of significant issues in the WashPost implementation. The Double-move post is a fairly common problem; as was described above, you hit 'Submit', there's script on the page to package up your comment, submit it to the server, and refresh. There are a number of problems with the implementation. I would think that the next version will feature a fairly complete rewrite of this function.
The other problem is the occasional duplication of words around line breaks within comments. This one I don't get at all. Adding line breaks is a pretty well solved problem.
Jasno will claim that there's also a problem where all his words get scrambled. In the industry, this bug is known as PBCAK -- Problem Between Chair and Keyboard -- although in Jasno's case, I have a feeling that he's dictating to Rocco.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

kost -- you bet! That scene where they're surprised by Mrs. Butterworth in the middle of a tall stack is a classic of the genre!

[editor's note: it occurs to me that the cultural relevance of Mrs. Butterworth may not translate. But this is how we roll]

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

For all you Clue fans out there, just remember "Mrs. Butterworth did it in the tall stacks with a sausage".

What I go through on the march to 100K...

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Nice works today, dorks.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

So -- back to blogging for a moment -- There are a couple of dozen blogging packages/services/apps out there. You have one basic choice to make; do you want to host the blog yourself, or just toss your thoughts up on the internet and let "them" worry about the hardware/software/infrastructure.
I used to use Userland Frontier/Manila/Radio, but switched over to blogger.com a couple of years ago. Blogger was then bought by Google, so now there's not much worry about it going away. Its chief advantage is that it's free, and really easy to set up.
Sorry, its TWO chief advantages are that it's free, really easy to set up, and you can email articles that get automatically posted.
Sorry, amongst its advantages are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and a fanatical devotion to the pope.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Cload - You're right, I have no idea who Mrs. Butterworth is.

Couldn't you just get yourself a MySpace? That has blogging facilities?

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, I assume so, myspace always seemed like it was targeted at the kids. At the time I made my choice (such as it was), I'm not even sure myspace existed.
Maybe we should all wait for Diddy's new old thing?

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that would explain why I have a MySpace hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

eh, seems to be more related to the circle of friends that you have; the only person I know that wants a myspace page is my daughter, and she ain't getting one until she's 35.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 25, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I can understand that!

I suppose it's also because I have a lot of friends who are in bands, and it's a good way to keep up with their gigs and stuff.

Posted by: kost52 | June 25, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

so how long until we sign tank johnson?

Posted by: k-man | June 26, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Nah, as someone pointed out earlier, there's no way Gibbs is going to go after a guy who has so many off-field issues, and won't be available for at least the first 8 games.

Posted by: kost52 | June 26, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Stumped was right.

Fife OUT.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 26, 2007 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate!

How are we going to get to 100K if you go on vacation? It's bad enough that Jasno and Cindy are gone at the same time. At the current rate, we will be lucky to get to 65K by Training Camp.

There isn't much going on anywhere in the rest of the NFL to post either, so I am instructing The Crickets to also post anything they find of unusual interest. I will caution them, however, regarding the posting of article links on banjos, skin cancer, and Movable Type.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | June 26, 2007 3:41 AM | Report abuse

I would be remiss if I did not mention that one of Nate's adopted sports teams, the Oregon State Beavers baseball team, won the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska this past weekend. The Beavers were defending champions as well, and have now won the World Series two years in a row. They are only the fifth team in history to accomplish that feat, and it is the first time for a school in the Pacific Northwest to do so.

Congratulations, Nate and the Oregon State Beavers!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | June 26, 2007 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Good chart for all of you fantasy football players.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/fantasy/story/9905658

Posted by: The Crickets | June 26, 2007 4:32 AM | Report abuse

Hello ... ello ... llo ... lo ... o ...

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Redcoat,

It's quiet on RI this am. I hope the conversation with Mrs. Redcoat went well.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | June 26, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

In the wake of the Tank Johnson waiver, how long until the Bears dump Rex because "he's just no damn good at all"?

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Mark. Thankyou for asking, but I haven;t talked to her about it - yet.

Mrs Redcoat is doing some voluntary stuff this week, and yesterday turned out to be pretty stressful due to some very high maintenance parents, so I spent the evening allowing her to vent about that.

It is still top of my list, I just wanted to give her a chance to talk about what she wanted first, and there went the evening!

I think we're going to have to make our own amusement on here today. I'll post as often as I can, but I just got a HUGE dollop of unscheduled work (dammit!) dropped on me that has to be completed by COB today, so I'm afraid I'll be a sporadic attendee at best.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

And in the hope of stimulating conversation, maybe this is the fate that awaits Linnie if the Wonderpets ever disband...

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/peru-celebrates-tasty-guinea-pigs/n20070625190409990010

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

did you guys hear about Tom Cruise being banned from germany (basically) cuz he's a scientologist?

well, you may ask how does that make it a skins news? (not that it matters) but since our wonderBoy is paying him $10 mil per, the money he's making off of us, it is skins news.

first he had to pay off nanny, then that girl got her legs amputated at six flags and now this!

speaking relatively this guy is soooooooo unlucky! whatever he touches turns to shti.

so i'm kinda scared to think what's going to happen with the skins this year.

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

tom cruise was making a movie in germany...

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

okay other than diddy who's already out there standing in line at best buy for iphone?

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Germany is a VERY anti-Scientology country.

They have lots of laws about what they describe as "pseudo-religions" and they won't have people in the country who support those things. They'll just end up shooting it in the Czech Republic or Austria anyway.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

ooops!

cindy, thank you for the mothball suggestion i'm going to try it. and i'll report the results up here.

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

i'm really ignorant of european history and i'm only asking and not suggesting this when i say that do you think it's because of the nazi movement? that they're a bit touchy?

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

out of ammo.... but i am reloading.

Posted by: Old School | June 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

IMHO they are more sensitive because of the nazis, although they were never represented as a religion.

There is still a very strong religious (protestant) ethic in Germany, and although they are a secular country they are socialist in nature and therefore tend to 'regulate' life a little more than most places.

People there are happy to have the state intervene in parts of their life where it can (so they think) protect them from themselves a little, and they see Scientology in that light, I believe.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that was just about the most 'qualified' response I've ever seen. Sorry (I think). :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Redskins go 0-5 to open the season and Danny Boy brings in his top Tom Cruise to speak to the team. Cruise starts preaching about Scientology. Gibbs has a major cornery and lightening strikes Campbell. Greggy Williams is named acting head coach with Tom Cruise as spirtual advisor. Team mutinies against Greggy Boy and Tomkat and fails to show for last 4 games of season and the Deadskins finish 0-16 but Danny Boy is happy because they filed the film vault with enough material for America's Funniest Bloopers to last for centuries!

Posted by: vaherder | June 26, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey sheep botherer, get a smell-checker. What on earth is a 'cornery'?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Hi, my name is Skippy and I have a mental plate in my head. My favorite color is taupe because it reminds me of lunch.

I ate some chicken last Fryday from that nice Colonel Al Saunders KFC. The man who served me had a jolly paper hat to keep the grease on his hair.

Yesterday at the hospital my frend vamurmur told me that he still has the mean voices in his head, but he only pees his pants sumtimes now.

fondly,
Skippy

Posted by: Skippy | June 26, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It's a bruise you get when you turn before the edge of the coffee table. Why Grilliams would have to take over from that is a mystery.
Perhaps the border collies have been keeping herder away from the sheep, if you know what I mean... nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Your wife.
Yes?
Does she, er, go?
Excuse me?
Does she, er, go? You know - nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!

Continues ad infinitum....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Cheyenne;

No flag on that play. Yeah it was ugly, but it pushes us closer to 100K.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and no one thinks my Fantasy League name is unique and subtle?

SMACK?

When we play you, week 2?

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So the NFL is thinking of tossing Europa.. about Freeking time. Football is a North American Sport. The AFL is lame because the have no running game. Other leagues still trying to get off the ground but I doubt they will stick arround. If we want a AAA version of the NFL we need to mirror Baseball, put teams in cities like Richmond, Trenton, Portland which can't support a pro team but are on the edge. Since most cant afford tickets to the NFL these days it would probably work better then germany.

Posted by: 35332 | June 26, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Eric: I mean, WAUGHHHHHHH!
Terry: What?
Eric: You know, WAUGHHHHHH!
Terry: Are you trying to insinuate something?
Eric: No, No, No ... no.... yes.
Terry: What?
Eric:Well, you're a man of the world, right, and you've, you know, done it... with a lady, you know?
Terry: Yes. Is that not in order?

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Eric: Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Terry: Yes...
Eric: Well, what's it like?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, for comparison, the NFL E had better attendance records than the MLS. So whatever that signifies.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Z, is your team name grounded in actual; experience or simply an opinion? :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

you know what we need?

we need CFL or XCFL!
(C=Con as in convicts)

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

all time CFL/XCFL team:

1. Ricky myBrother Williams
2. Lionel Dalton
E. blades
o. Tank Johnson
6. Chris henry
V. heck the whole Cincy team
LL. Dexter Manley
K. minus emmit and troy the whole girls team of the 90's

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

oops...i don't really like him as much as i like my brother ricky...but we have to put

Randy Moss

up there...

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

and of course we need a dude to run the leage. a person who be representin!

(will always be the)Mayor Marion Barry as the Commish of XCFL!

(ummm F doesn't stand for fellon instead it stands for Football...so it's not Ex-Convicted Fellons League...it's Ex-Convicts-Football-League)

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, are you cowgirls suck? I consider that kind of an honor really, that you would devote your team name to anything Cow.

Posted by: SMACK | June 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

oops...i don't really like him as much as i like my brother ricky...but we have to put

Randy Moss

up there...

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:06 AM

Is that a Chris Berman moment D?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Michael Vick (nike/gatorade will have to reshoot that awesome commercial with everyone wearing stripes)

Pacman Jones (and he took his dreds off!)

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget me, sheesh. How many times do i need to get busted to get some props up here?

Posted by: Pacman | June 26, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

They forgot Poland!!! Don't forget Poland

Oops, sorry - wrong topic.

Posted by: Dubya | June 26, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

coat, i have very strong feelings regarding scientology and the way their believers are out there promoting theirs and damning others beliefs and science. it seems like it's all so unsolicited. how does that go "live and let live".

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

rae carruth

Posted by: Old School | June 26, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Dealer

As a European I'm a secular sort of person. As a Christian I'm not.

I reread my post earlier and it could sound like I don't approve of what they are doing in Germany. I do - sorta - but I also find myself conflicted about the freedom of speech issues their approach raises.

The first amendment is a noble thing, but it brings a high-price with respect to what you MUST be exposed to in order to give everyone their freedom to express themselves. I guess I've made my vote on the freedom/regulation balance by coming here to live, but that doesn't mean this stuff always sits easy with me.

In my spiritual life I try to align myself with the teachings of Christ as closely as I can. It's interesting to try to figure what he would have made of today's social mores where it's almost 'cool' to aggressively try to expunge ANY vestige of Christianity in life in what is, let's face it, a country founded on Christian principles, while simultaneously offering legal and societal peer-pressure to protect just about any other faith.

I think he'd probably start throwing tables around and banging heads, but that's just my opinion.

Rant off, soapbox away. Moderator feel free to delete - as is your right.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Short answer Dealer is "I don't like religions (pseudo OR otherwise) that aggressively target the legitimacy of other faiths".

If your teachings aren't strong enough to bring people to you willingly, name-calling and fear-mongering aren't acceptable alternatives. The ends do NOT justify the means IMHO.

Sorry for the hijack guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes, SMACK. Well, all the other skins fans have #1skins, skinsfanforeal, etc... bullshti.

If the skins folded, I would dedicate any team to my dislike of yours. But like you and redcoat, I always welcome other teams fans. I have plenty of confidence in my trash talking skillzzz. And if I dont have others to 'practice' on, I wont be in game shape come the fedex experience.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Lawrence Phillips, although his real crime was making Dick Vermeil cry.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

And remember Z as the weather turns cold in fall/winter and the 'skins go 0-5, trash talking is all you'll have to keep you warm!

Actually, as long as you're 5-1 (and we know who the 1 would have to be) I'll be happy!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

As it has for the last 15 years during my formative highschool, college and professional career.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You're not doing so bad. Try supporting Miami for no real good reason for 23 years through of thin and thinner. :-)

Come on Cload join in....

YOU were looky. We would have DREAMED of having 15 years of miserable failure...

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

You think you had it bad... we could only hope of having seasons like 0-16! We'd lose two games before we got to the stadium in the morning, work 27 hours in a day, come home two hours after we had to get up, and lose another game on the way!

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

With two smatterings of hope in there. It aint over yet, of course neither is yours

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So is anybody interested in discussing the NFL, NFLPA, disability, and concussions? My opinion is that the thug mentality gets in the way of dealing with injury and disability unless the injury is spectacular in nature. Any takers?

Posted by: Neil in Durango | June 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

You think you had it bad....

We would dream of having pee-wee league clock management issues like you did in 2005.

WE used to wake up at 4am, three hours before we went to bed, lick the field clean with our tongues, lose a playoff game 62-7 to Mark Brunell, and then Jimmy Johnson would thrash us within an inch of our lives wi' his belt!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Neil in Durango,

I tend to agree with your observations.

The "look the other way" approach to things like criminal misconduct, poor behavior, player disability, not to mention performance enhancing drugs; may be nearing its end.

There will be some serious foot dragging on the health and disabilities part though, because I believe it will ultimately be the most costly thing to deal with.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Stumped was right.

Fife OUT."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 26, 2007 02:53 AM

For those keeping score:

Right - 1
Wrong - 999,999

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, we dreamed of being beaten with Jimmy Johnson's belt... we used to have to clear the parking lot of broken glass with our tongues before they'd let us in to lick the field clean. We had to use the entrails of diseased feral cats for the line markers. Then they'd make us watch Rex Grossman score a touchdown on us.
Then it was back 'ome to the wet shoebox in a pothole in the middle of the interstate that all 27 of us lived in...

Those were the days...

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The pension/disability thing will take a while to play out -- the NFLPA is for current players, and they're not going to automatically step up to try to protect "some old guy that my dad used to talk about".
Part of the question is -- what is the NFLPA doing to cover the players of today? Because if the assumption is that they are making so much money they should be taking care of it themselves, then we're going to have these same discussions 20 years from now.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

re: concussions... didn't one of the QBs of the last 5-10 years start wearing a specially modified helmet that was supposed to protect against concussions? Whatever happened to that?

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Totally off topic, but I know this is more than a skins forum when it comes to family or kids;

ABC Nightline - Tonight at 11:30 pm EDT.

My Cousin Rev Lisa Sykes and her autistic son Wesley will be featured tonight. My sister, who is Wesleys godmother, forwarded me this info. It is supposed to be a he said she said debate of Lisa and the treatment specialists against Mercury (Thimerisol) in infant vaccinations vs. the experts who think there is no correlation.

I used to think my sister was kooky how wrapped up in this she was, but when it came time for my son to go though his shot rounds, I could help but be interested.

I did some research on my own, and it seems that the FDA is for sale just like every other agency. There is a completely safe alternative to thimerisol, but the government does not want to spend the money to make the change and I am sure that some 'constituents' would not like having their pocket lining removed.

Anyway, check it out if you can. My cousin is worried they are going to paint he as a crazy mother, but her credentials (She is a brilliant woman who's father holds 5
patents for the CIA and who went to UVA on a full scholarship then to
Princeton for her Masters in Divinity. She has a specialization in medical
ethics) speak for themself and her tireless effort on this subject is amazing. Hopefully she can finally get peoples attention and get some things changed. But you know what happens when 2 hours of debate is crunched into 30 minutes... anywho

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone needs to take part, the players and the owners/organizations.

I really don't know what kind of treatment a player gets when they get a career ending injury. Presumably, the valued players, could have some form of compensation worked into their contracts. But Barbaro may be treated better than a lot of journeyman players, who are earning the league minimum. One can argue that even these players could use some of their salary to purchase insurance.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to popular belief, I am not yet standing in line for iPhone. I'll do that on Friday around 6pm. The beauty of iPhone (as you can see today at apple.com) is that you don't actually need to be IN the store for very long. I'm going to buy the iPhone then head home to activate via ITunes. I fully expect to not have to stand in line for this nonsense, but I do fully expect to get one.

As for my "new old thing"...well, it's pretty darn cool. Naturally, the idea is 100% bar and restaurant related :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | June 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

i'been just sittin here thinking about more players for XCFL...and can't think of any... could it be that MEDIA *que thunder and lightning* has brainwashed us into thinking that there's a PROBLEM when there really isn't...relatively speaking

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Aye Cloabadiah, those were the days.

And when you tell t'youngsters about it now, they don't believe you.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse


But there is a good argument for internalizing the cost of the injuries (spectacular or otherwise). If the cost of disability is internalized by the NFL, there is a greater incentive to take preventative action such as improving safety through rule changes and improved equipment.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

something i didn't know about this whole NFL pension plan that i learned yesterday on radio:

NFL pension: $12K/year

MLB pension: $36K/year

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

>>> "They forgot Poland"

TOO FUNNY.

Posted by: P Diddy | June 26, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

diddy, you want to hear funny? check out Michael Baisden (sp)...

in wapo's article on him...how come Donny Simpson wasn't mentioned? i thought he was the highest paid host out there? or was that a decade ago and now he's old...and so am i?

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to your cousin with that Z, it's a shame that they buried it in the schedules a bit, but 30 minutes is better than nothing.

As for player insurance, what company is going to insure one of these guys? And even if they would, the premiums would be horrible. The way that this is handled in soccer (only parallel I can think of) is that the clubs have insuance while they are playing and then the NFLPA equivalents have cut deals with companies for when the guys finish - but even then they slip through the cracks sometimes.

Prevention is worth a ton of cure on this one, it's worked pretty well in rugby to refine the rules and equipment, while maintaining the essence of confrontation that sits at the core of the game.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Average length of NFL career: 4 years IIRC
Average length of MLB career: ??

so if $12K is the average pension for four years of service, is that out of the realm of reason?

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm always worried by numbers represented as averages. Can they claim it as soon as they retire or is it subject to a minimum age? Is $12k the mean, modal or median average?

Seriously though, I wonder if those numbers are skewed by more recent retirees and there are actually a lot of guys out there on

I know where you're going Cload, but the guys who really need the pension are the ones who would actually need way more than $12k. For the rest it's probably an irrelevance.

I tink I'm with Neil on this one, there needs to be much more work done on prevention.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

something needs to be done especially on the health care side. self insure for the rountine care and well being of players and get the insurance companies to provide the serious care ? the pension could be improved as well but, if you are the average player leaving the game after 3/4 yrs making a few hundy grand per, you are less than thirty with $ dollars in the bank? and a head start compared to most....this is of course if you do smart things with the cash durring your 15 minutes of fame...

Posted by: Old School | June 26, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Z,
Sounds like a great program. If I can stay awake that late I'll try to catch it.

Most of us are blind to problems at FDA and we erroneously assume that our food and drugs are safe. No, they're just expensive thanks to big agri-businesses and pharmaceutical companies.

There is no excuse.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I like Stumped's observation that the criminal and drug is easier dealt with than the disability side of things. It's always easier to cull the few bad apples than to assure the life long care of a disabled player in this very violent sport, which violence is what we love about the game truth be told. It takes planning, of course. How many indestructible 23 year old men do we know? How many business owners, whose jobs are cost cutting, do we know? And insurance companies!?!? are in the business of collecting premiums NOT paying claims. The first answer is always, "NO!"

Sadly, self regulation has never worked in USA industry, especially when it comes to things such as workers rights. And that can only mean another intrusion by the federal gov't to mandate a regulated change, I fear.

Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The players play the game knowing it takes a toll on their bodies. But I bet concussion complications are widespread, and because the problems manifest themselves later, have often gone unnoticed.

Like the concussion issue, imagine life before seat belts at the scene of an accident.

"Wow, here's another one, their head went straight through the wind shield. Yep, that's the fourth one this week."

The point is, this deserves swift preventative action rather than careful study. And the situation is all too similar to the one described in Zebra's post.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

OJ is living his lifestyle on $12K/year? Get me his money manager on the phone.

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks everyone;

Many people disagreed that the earth was round in the face of overwhelming evidence, why should it be any different today.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

how could we have left oj off the all cfl team.

Posted by: Old School | June 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Violent collisions are a part of football. The only way to prevent concussions is to stop tackling. Certainly the league has a responsibility to some degree but what about personal responsibility? One concussion is not going to make you a batty old man but multiple concussions over period of years will. How many do you take before you realize that you can't get jarred without your brain smacking your skull? Players like Steve Young and Troy Aikman kept playing after getting their "clock rang" because they were being handsomely compensated and enjoyed the glory. Players need to depend on their own medical professional to advise them regarding what continued licks to the head will do to them. Boxers make the same trade off - battered brains later for riches now.

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Just an interesting stat to peak your interest

"Today, 1 in 150 individuals is diagnosed with autism, making it more common than pediatric cancer, diabetes, and AIDS combined"

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know exactly what the $12K number represents; I heard the interview to which dealer is referring, but I didn't catch who it was.
They had an interview with (IIRC) Paul Krause, who played Safety for the vikings in the 70s -- he played for them for a good while (16 years, 8 pro bowls, HOF), but cashed in on his pension really early (45?) and gets some pittance of a monthly check (maybe $500?). Now, he a guy who's done well in commercial real estate, and he only missed like two games in his career, but still wonders how the numbers make sense.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Last soapbox comment - for those who think their kids dont have it, check this out. If anything seems to key to your child, get them eval'ed. No harm in doing so

"How can I tell if a child is autistic?
No two autistic kids are alike, but there are some signs that many of them share and that experts agree may be as recognizable as early as the toddler years, or even sooner. Children on the spectrum generally have difficulty relating to others; they may hardly speak, and if they do, they may not communicate in ways that other people can easily understand (they may screech loudly when they're upset, for example, instead of crying). They don't usually sustain eye contact - it's too intense -- and have trouble reading social cues. They're also prone to repetitive behaviors, flapping their hands constantly or uttering the same phrase over and over again. They may also be more sensitive than typically developing children, or dramatically less so, to sights, sounds and touch. '

from http://www.autismspeaks.org/whatisit/faq.php

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings Boat Crusers? Sorry Smoot, but he goes on the list.

Posted by: 35332 | June 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

LH, of course tackles are part of the game, but there ought to be ways to maintain the excitement while minimizing the dangers.

How about doing what boxers are now required to do? A mandatory brainscan before every fight? In this case every game would be crazy, but before the season starts and again at mid-season would be a start.

The NFL could spend some of its pile of money on its own scanner if it wanted which it could allow the public to use off-season as PR?

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

cload, looks like we changed the dial at the same time. i don't rember who he is either. i know he's an x-player and doesn't like gene upshaw(NFLPA)(?)...

zebra, that's a very suspeecious stat that you got there...

Posted by: dealer | June 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Cload? I was busy playing poker and reserving my copy of Hairy Porter....

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Dealer;

It came form that website. I had never heard that, which is one of the reasons I posted it. Take it for what it is. Autism Speaks has been clouded by controversy. Wiki it, good reading.

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Those seemingly high numbers for autistic kids may be skewed because the disorder is more thoroughly screened for nowadays, and there is no clear-cut symptom(s) which automatically labels you autistic. In other words, some places will peg a person autistic after said child shows one or two signs of the disorder, when another place will have a more rigid criteria for pegging a child with the disorder.

It is always difficult to accurately portray just how many people have a disorder, as opposed to a disease such as aids, cancer, etc.

Posted by: PSF | June 26, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, football players are going to continue to get larger and faster. I don't know how you can minimize the danger in a sport where the goal is to knock the hell out of the guy in front of you. You can't have it both ways - wanting to see a guy get blown up by the Taylors and Landrys of the world but feeling the risk he has assumed by competing needs to removed.

Brain scans before and during every game? For who? Everyone? Guys who played a certain number of downs? Only players who had their bell rung? That's unrealistic and wouldn't resolve the problem. Brain scans only show the damage once it is done and is beyond repair.

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Paul Krause started his career with the Redskins. He was later traded to Minnesota.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, as PSF states there is more to diagnosing a disorder than a disease. (BTW, I have good friends with a severely autistic child) Much of what we used to refer t as retardation falls within the autism parameters. Autism haunted families before vaccination. And you know, there's a new imbroglio regarding autism, which is the move to dose young severely autistic, pre-pubescent kids with hormones to keep them at a manageable size. This way parents can continue their home care even as the parents approach their dotage. Is that fair to the kid, to be a forever physical child?

Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Obviously football is not the only sport with head injury problems. Where are the "materials" scientists out there in 'skins land? What kinds of materials are avaialble to reduce the internal impact of jarring hits? NASCAR has the RANS helmet to reduce the possibility of concussion and even decapitation. Haven't we seen infomercials demonstrating padding which can absorb a baseball bat hit without bruising the body?

Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What's your solution then LH? You seem to be advocating only things that pick up the pieces afterwards.

It's not about good insurance, it's about protecting the most vulnerable people (the players) from themselves.

Scans haven't eradicated the problem in boxing but they have minimized it. If players were mandatorily scanned regularly (not before/during/after every game, that's pointless) the chances are that the overwhelming majority of cases would be caught early enough to minimize/negate their impact. That's the one advantage you get in a disease where the damage is progressive such as with concussions. OF course they're all progressive injuries, but I believe most are.

If you combine that with significant, i.e. not window-dressing, investment on improving helmet and padding technology, you will again get a corresponding benefit.

Or just do nothing, or just ban tackling.

Which is it you'd like to see? I can't see where you're going with your responses so please help me out.

Bottom line for me, if the league had to carry the cost of all the players today AND yesterday, this would get fixed real fast. The league owes those guys everything because what it is today was built on their efforts in the past.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I meant "of course they're not all progressive injuries, but..."

Posted by: Redcoat | June 26, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

WUMCAS

There is real autism, and now there is the new "pseudo-autism". Similarly, fifteen years ago, there was real ADD/ADHD and now there is the new "pseudo-ADHD".

What's behind this surge of new pseudo-affictions? Simply, the expectation of certain self-serving and "privileged" parents that their children MUST be perfect. If for some reason their children aren't perfect, there must be some medical condition that prevents such perfection, so that said parents will have a perfect excuse for why Jared and Heather aren't quite as smart or talented or good as the other children in the neighborhood.

While such pseudo-afflictions bring attention to the real medical disorders, they also do a disservice by siphoning off funds and attention from the kids who have the real disorders (and really need the help).

Compounding the problem in our society is a new breed of school teachers who have no interest in teaching anyone but perfect "Stepford" children. Children shouldn't be unique and challenging, according to many teachers. Rather, they should be perfect little automatons who will do exactly what the teachers say at all times.

It is yet another sad commentary on our society when we can't embrace our children for who they are, rather than for who we want them to be.

What is WUMCAS, you ask? White Upper Middle Class Assclown Syndrome. You can find it in all the better suburbs of very city in the U.S.

Posted by: DD | June 26, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I cant speak to the stunting -growth hormones, I have never really heard of it.

As to Autism being around before vaccinations, I would like to know what evidence you have to support that statement? I am not necessarily challenging what you are saying, but I would like to know the facts of that.

From Wiki
"Vaccination is the administration of antigenic material to produce immunity to a disease, which will prevent or ameliorate the effects of infection by a pathogen. This material can either be live, but weakened forms of pathogens such as bacteria or viruses, killed or inactivated forms of these pathogens, or purified material such as proteins. Smallpox was the first disease people tried to prevent by purposely inoculating themselves with other types of infections: Smallpox inoculation is believed to have started in India or China before 200 BC.[1] In 1718, Lady Mary Wortley Montague reported that the Turks have a habit of deliberately inoculating themselves with fluid taken from mild cases of smallpox and she inoculated her own children.[2] In 1796 Edward Jenner inoculated using cowpox (a mild relative of the deadly smallpox virus). Pasteur and others built on this.[3]

The term vaccination was first used by Edward Jenner and adapted by Louis Pasteur for his pioneering work in microbiology. Vaccination (Latin: vacca--cow) is so named because the first vaccine was derived from a virus affecting cows--the relatively benign cowpox virus--which provides a degree of immunity to smallpox, a contagious and deadly disease. In common speech, 'vaccination' and 'immunization' generally have the same colloquial meaning. This distinguishes it from inoculation which uses unweakened live pathogens, although in common usage either is used to refer to an immunization. The word "vaccination" was originally used specifically to describe the injection of smallpox vaccine.[4]

Vaccination efforts have been met with some resistance since their inception. Early success and compulsion brought widespread acceptance and mass vaccination campaigns were undertaken which have greatly reduced the incidence of many diseases in many areas. The eradication of smallpox, which was last seen in a natural case in 1977, is considered the most spectacular success of vaccination. Currently some people assert that childhood vaccination causes some autoimmune disease and autism. Scientific studies have not demonstrated a link, however, the assertion found space in a United States House of Representatives report in 2003 which included the suggestion that mercury derivatives in vaccines might have been a cause of autism"

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

One last note from Rev Sykes about her appearance on Nightline. Just a grain of slat about when you watch edited TV.

"It's a she said-he said about the mercury, and I fear the emcee has been out from the
beginning to make us seem like lunatics, but at this point in our effort, we
feel any publicity/press is positive, even if they place us in a negative light.

I fear being sound-bitten, but what does one do? The show is really after the
father-son team who help oversee Wesley's treatment, I think. I doubt they'll
mention that Mark is a fellow at NIH and a former Johns Hopkins professor.

John Donovan said from the outset he didn't have time to treat the science....
he's just wanting the sensational... If the press would just have done their
investigative job, this debate would have been settled in 1950... Too much
pharmaceutical patronage of the media!"

Out for the day, look forward to your responses. Kepp the blog alive! Hail

Posted by: Zebra | June 26, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a solution. But I certainly don't agree with the paternalistic view that players have to be protected from themselves. Plus, who's to say it happened as a result of their NFL play? By and large, these men have been playing football all of their lives. It could have started at any other level of play from Pop Warner to HS to college.

These guys are compensated quite well and they assume the risk of injury every time they step on the field. IMHO the only thing the league and team medical staffs owe these guys are truthful answers and diagnoses when they exam and evaluate them for injury so that the player can make an informed choice about whether he wants to continue taking hits and cashing those big checks.

In response to question re: helmets. Helmets protect your skull from getting smashed. Those devices in race cars help limit concussions by keeping your head from moving around. This can't be done in football. If you are tackled with enough force and your head snaps back and comes to a sudden stop your brain is going to keep moving and smash into your skull giving you a concussion. No amount of padding or air can keep that from happening.

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why RI gets 200-500 post per story and the arround the NFL post blog gets 0-10 per story? Oh can someone at the post tell me when is the post going to have a Nats blog? Too bad about Guzman, that play he injured himself on was a good one, but someones helmit raming your hand like thats gonna do some dammage.

Posted by: 35332 | June 26, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

35332,

Posted by: PSF | June 26, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, the link didn't post...it's on the top of the sports page, fades in and out along with RI and the wiz's blog.

Posted by: PSF | June 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, no, I cannot cite an example of autism pre-vaccination especially given the dating you cite from Wikki. But there are annecdotal citations of autism like syndromes in literature: frozen development, speech, herky-jerky movement, social ineptitude, and profound technical ability. Many such examples can be found in the descriptions of characters in novels. And mercury is a relatively recent arrival in the vaccination scene.

I DO NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, intend to belittle or in any way denigrate sufferers or the families of the afflicted. Autism is a real disorder that effects whole families. The problem, sadly, is that there isn't a body of empirical evidence to state un-equivically that mercury is the source of autism in society today. Mercury may, indeed, be a generator of autism in some or many cases. I doubt anyone would say that mercury is the exclusive cause of autism.

Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,
One thing is certain; mercury is poisonous to the central nervous system.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, these men do need to be protected from themselves and their teams. One of the metrics for judging a player's ability to play in the NFL is his willingness to endure pain. Coaches want to win NOW. There is ample annecdotal evidence of players receiving injections to make the hurt stop, but the injury compounds.

Posted by: Neil | June 26, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, how old was Rev. Sykes when she had her son?

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

DD,
Personally, I'll leave it to scientific medical journals to do the diagnostics (or if you prefer pseudo-diagnostics).

In any case, I wouldn't stand in the way of parents doing the best they can for their children, no matter where they are on the bell shaped curve. It's really mean-spirited to suggest that parents love their children less or need to name the issues that they must confront.

I guess that plants me firmly in LH's paternalistic camp. I know it was meant as a pejorative term, but we're here to help each other, right?

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Neil,
All of what you mentioned filters down to the college, high school and youth football leagues. I know we can't eliminate the risk of serious injury, but if we minimize the risk for the grown men, this too will filter down.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess that plants me firmly in LH's paternalistic camp. I know it was meant as a pejorative term, but we're here to help each other, right?

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 04:39 PM

I applied this to grown men who should be able to speak and care for themselves. When it comes to children, paternalism is mandatory. I don't begrudge parents leaving no stone unturned to uncover the cause of what ails them. I also do not oppose the government's intervention in the form of money for research and prevention and laws and regulations for protection.

Posted by: LH | June 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

LH,
Sorry, I should have broken that last post in two. The ire was meant for DD.

I'll concede two points:
1) you don't get to the NFL if you don't love the game. And they all choose to play despite the risk.
2) improvements to equipment (helmets) will make the game more physical. Other kinds of injuries will result (hopefully less severe).

Innovations to equipment will make the game evolve a little faster. I'd like to see that happen.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

When I was in my teens, I was pretty self-destructive. When I was in my twenties, I thought I was indestructible. When I was in my thirties, I started to seriously consider the consequences of my actions.

I'd guess there is nothing special about my experience (and behavior).

So, now that I'm in my forties, I think:
Man, if I knew then, what I know now.

And I think about what my parents told me: Better safe than sorry.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Stumped broke the blog. Stumped broke the blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

WHO WANTS A GOOD TIME? THAN CALL 202-418-6708

Posted by: PERVERT | June 26, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Smooot27 | June 26, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

from SF Chronicle: NFL players before 1982 now receive $3,000 annually for each year of service (assuming they spent at least four years in the league, the minimum then needed to vest).

Players since 1998 receive nearly twice that amount ($5,640 per year of service), if they reach the revised vesting minimum of three years. They also can collect income from an annuity.

This assumes a retirement age of 62 to receive full benefits. Herb must have signed up for pension the day after he retired.

Last year, Pro Football Hall of Fame member Herb Adderley protested his $126 monthly pension check as "below poverty level." A recent pension upgrade approved by the NFLPA will boost monthly checks for all retirees by a minimum of $50, but the former Packers defensive back says it isn't enough and is refusing to wear his Super Bowl and Hall of Fame rings.

Posted by: Gene Upskirt | June 26, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice article, Smooot

I like the closing comment best.

"In closing, please note that NFC East teams and fans are long-standing rivals who really do despise each other. They're like family and what can be more pressure-packed than that?"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I broke the blog.

I tried to put the pieces back together so nobody would notice.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's article on what to look for in Training Camp.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1822

Or maybe what not to look for.

Posted by: Stumped | June 26, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Real men play rugby! Very few if any current NFL players could play a whole rugby game and even fewer could play on a good DC area team.

The equipment used to play football contributes to injuries. Using your head on play because its is encased in a helmet
isnt the brightest move. But then we have NFL football players currently taking all kinds of performance enhancing drugs only the ones without a clue pop positive. Chemistry is way ahead of the various sport governing bodies throughout the world. Reporters in the locker rooms throughout the NFL have ewither ignored the tell tale signs of using performance enhancing drugs or just weren't educated enough to know the signs!

The NFL and NFLPA owes the old guys big bucks. And sorry there was no reason for Lavar to aly Aikman out! He could have made the tackle without ringing Aikman's bell but Lavar is a pussy!

Posted by: vaherder | June 26, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Why would LaCanfora think we're going to get rid of one of the veteran QB's? Do you watch the same team I do? Mark Brunell isn't going anywhere. Todd Collins is under contract. Bramlet played spectacular in Europe, and for the first time in 15 years of NFL Europe the Skins have a player making waves. After 15 years, we have our own potential Jake Delhomme or Kurt Warner. It's going to be a shame when we cut him and he goes somewhere else and contributes, so we can keep Brunell. We should keep Collins since he knows the system, as our veteran backup, and keep Palmer (assuming he has a good pre-season) and Bramlet. Brunell should be gone. We all know what should happen, and that's that Brunell should be fired, but Coach Joe doesn't have the guts to do it. It really makes you wonder what kind of promises Joe made to both Brunell and Portis when they were first brought in here. Considering there's maybe 20-25 players in NFL who truly aren't vulnerable to being downsized (because of injury, contract, or poor performance), and we have two that aren't even the best at their position on their own team, yet have no fear for their futures. Why does Joe always say he's got "experience starting a young quarterback." Throughout all the Gibbs years, I can't recall a QB with less than 3 years experience EVER starting for a Gibbs team. Also, LaCanfora, can we get some information on what the status is of the secondary coaches beef that was highly publicized in the Redskins' year end article? I noticed both Jerry Grey and Steve Jackson are returning to their same coaching posts, is their any animosity there that we should be concerned about??

Posted by: Joey Sports | June 26, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

sure is a lot of butt scratching going on here

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

That is perhaps the least accurate trolling observation I've seen in years. There's a lot of nothing going on here.

Posted by: cload and daggar | June 27, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs won't carry 6 QBs. Either Brunell or Collins will go as will one of the others. My guess is Hollenbach will go too, because of Bramlet's action in Europe.

Gibbs won't carry Brunell and Collins because it takes three years to get a young player ready to play in the NFL and because you can't afford to pin all your hopes on one young QB, so you have to bring along two or three and hope one pans out.

Training camp will tell.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Cooley speaks, but not about DVDs.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26880

Posted by: The Crickets | June 27, 2007 5:09 AM | Report abuse

LH;

I dont know actually. If I do the math, My sister is about the same age, 42 their sons are close in age, 13, so I guess around 29?

Not late in child bearing years and not early.

Posted by: Zebra | June 27, 2007 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Neil;

I agree about the empirical evidence. There is a lot of research going on that continues to be ignored by the FDA. I feel the problem is the same as that of the tobacco companies.

I guess the point most try to make is that removing that little trace of mercury in childhood vaccinations would be the prudent move, since as Stumped stated, we do know the harmful properties of mercury.

I think that it is just being brought forth by the autistic community versus other sufferers. The coorelation with when symptoms start developing, and childhood vaccinations, well some would call that cause and effect. Genetics takes a role, as does environmental factors, but it is not as obvious as male pattern baldness.

I am not an expert by any sense of the imagination, but it concerns me since my son is only 15 months.

Posted by: Zebra | June 27, 2007 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey, is it me or was vaherder's contribution a considered piece of coherent thought? If so, that's welcome and let's hear more of it!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Often we look at the outside world and find it in a state of seeming chaos or disorder. We feel compelled to transform the situation from one of turmoil into one of peace, yet we are often disappointed in our best attempts to do so. One reason for this is that we cannot bring to the world what we do not have to offer. Peace starts in our own minds and hearts, not outside of ourselves, and until its roots are firmly entrenched in our own selves, we cannot manifest it externally. Once we have found it within, we can share it with our family, our community, and the whole wide world. Some of us may already be doing just that, but for most of us, the first step is looking within and honestly evaluating the state of our own relationship to peacefulness.

Interestingly, people who manifest peace internally are not different from us; they have chattering thoughts and troubled emotions like we all do. The difference is that they do not lend their energy to them, so those thoughts and feelings can simply rise and fall like the waves of the ocean without disturbing the deeper waters of peacefulness within. We all have this ability to choose how we distribute our energy, and practice enables us to grow increasingly more serene as we choose the vibration of peace over the vibration of conflict. We begin to see our thoughts and feelings as tiny objects on the surface of our being that pose no threat to the deep interior stillness that is the source of peacefulness.

When we find that we are able to locate ourselves more and more in the deeper waters and less on the tumultuous surface of our being, we have discovered a lasting relationship with peace that will enable us to inspire peace beyond ourselves. Until then, we help the world most by practicing the art of choosing peace within.

Posted by: jm220 | June 27, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, how did the program go last night? I'm afraid I was too shot to stay up and watch.

There's been a lot of debate of the MMR vaccine and rapidly rising diagnosis of autism in the UK for some years now, but I think the prevailing theory there is more to do with the persistence of live measles virus in the guts of the children there that are diagnosed autistic.

Here's a link on the story in general - if you want more background just google 'MMR' 'UK 'and 'autism'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=376203&in_page_id=1774&in_a_source

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Is that a quotation from somewhere or your own thoughts JM? Either way I agree with it.

I fought myself for years, and as a result I was unhappy and made those around me unhappy.
It gets so much easier once you give that up that it's hard to understand how you could ever have lived any other way.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Is this a Dr. Phil episode or a Redskins blog?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat they are not my own thoughts. I read a lot of spiritual and self help books.

Posted by: jm220 | June 27, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Actually it's Oprah. Dealer says we can leanr all we ned to learn about women from there.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

It went good. It is on Nightlines Main page. First story, click the red box to watch.

They definately took sides, but it was somewhat subtle. Really not much on the science as my cousin mention, but about the arguement over the science.

Take it for what you will.

Posted by: Zebra | June 27, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Re: Joey Sports post from last night......While it's true, we seem to love the vet QB, there is no reason to keep Collins here. Keeping him here because he "knows the system" didn't seem to work last year. This season is all about J Camp and his development. He needs to start & finish all 16 games so we can see what we have. it does him no good to let him play the first 5-6 games, and start calling for him to be replaced if he struggles. PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE. It is a HUGE stretch to think Bramlet could be Delhomme or Warner. Depth chart should be as follows.......#1-J Camp #2 Brunell(Huge contract keeps him around... BUT he should play only if Jason is injured. ) #3 - Bramlet/Palmer. The loser of that battle goes to the developmental squad. Hollenbach is odd man out. It would be nice to get a Terp on the team, BUT/ he has to blow the other two away by a wide margin to beat out Bram or Palmer.

Posted by: Skinz Fan in Dallas | June 27, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

We scrimmage the Ravens @ Bmore on Aug. 4th

Posted by: 4th | June 27, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't in be more beneficial to scrimmage against professional teams?

Posted by: SMACK | June 27, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

RE: keeping veterans ...

Brunell has the better chance of sticking. They wouldn't have wasted a draft pick on a QB (Palmer) if they felt secure with Collins ... and Brunell.

If the young QB's work really hard, learn quickly and perform in training camp and preseason games they will beat out the vets and make the team. Even Brunell.

But can they? Its up to them. Gibbs is going to keep the best players. He isn't going to waste a draft pick on QB if he wasn't interested in upgrading the position. Its nice to have a healthy vet back up who is healthy and can do the job if the starter goes down.

Brunell isn't healthy and Collins does not seem to be in their plans. And that is why Gibbs wanted to keep both Campbell and Ramsay. Both originally first round picks. QB's TODAY seem less likely to last as long as the featured running back. You just can't expect them to stay in the lineup all 16 games. Brunell no longer seems capable of doing this.

Posted by: periculum | June 27, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

To the question of how old the autistic kids mother is, the statistical evidence indicates that it is older fathers who have more to do with autistic kids. For some reason, there are more autistic kids born to +40yr old men than 30yr olds who in turn father more autistic kids than 20 yr olds. I don't recall the suppositions as to why this is so. Sperm count?

Posted by: Neil | June 27, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Skinz Fan in Dallas,

I believe Brunell restructured his contact to free up some more salary cap space reduce his cap hit... I'm not sure if they would take any cap hit by releasing him though...

Posted by: E in VB | June 27, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be something to do with breakdown on DNA and occasional random gene mutations Neil. Sperm count doesn't come into it so much as sperm quality.

And to answer SMACK's question. It's because the 'skins aren't ready to scrummage big boys yet. :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

that's right redcoat!

jm220, you be dissin my girl and you know what you'd have learned all that in the first 5 minutes of any Oprah episode! :)

mr. tony ended his stint on wapo radio with his old line on RalJon "good thing his sons weren't nated Peter and Enis" LMGO! it's still funny :)

ohh and jm220, where you been? i wanted to ask you stuff about Nola...

Posted by: dealer | June 27, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

his=the squire
nated=named (what can i say nate, my baby's on my mind. i miss him.)

btw, this is/was such a bad week for me re: blogging. i'm having all sorts of car issues. i wish we (cindy, nate, jasono) all had discussed this vacation in advance up here!

Posted by: dealer | June 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Overall...We need to find the answer at QB. I don't care if it is Jason, Bramlet, Jason Palmer, or Arnold Palmer. I believe it is impossible to make a team good enough to overcome poor play at QB. All recent SB QB's (Manning, Grossman, Hasselback, Rothbrgr, Brady, even Dilfer ) were at least led by QB's that did not kill his team. (Although Grossman did his best !! ) Avoid mistakes, make a handful of big plays and rally the team. How often has a QB flat out STUNK and made it to the SB?? Not to say Jason will lead us there this year!! However, we need to find that guy.

Posted by: Skinz Fan in Dallas | June 27, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

jm220,
Great post.

Posted by: Stumped | June 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

How often has a QB flat out STUNK and made it to the SB??

Sorry Redcoat, but looks like it's time for our semi-annual David Woodley reference up here.

Posted by: SMACK | June 27, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

No offence taken, but he's one of a long line of Miami stinkers, he's just the Gross Rexman of his time.

Posted by: Redcoat | June 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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