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Posted at 5:45 PM ET, 02/16/2011

Brandon Banks moved to different hospital

By Mike Jones

Washington Redskins kick/punt returner Brandon Banks has been transported to Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, where he will receive additional care for a collapsed lung, his agent said in a statement released by the team Wednesday evening.

Banks, who was stabbed in the upper left abdomen during a fight outside of the Park at Fourteenth nightclub in Northwest D.C. on Saturday morning, had been hospitalized at Howard University Hospital for the last four days, Redskins senior vice president Tony Wyllie said.

"Brandon is doing fine; he has been moved to Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, under the care of Redskins team physician, Dr. Anthony Casolaro," Banks's agent, James Gould, said in the statement. "The knife nicked his lung creating a pneunomothorax condition. He still has a chest tube inserted and it will remain until the wound heals and the lung remains inflated.

"We are hopeful that the tube will be removed by Friday, and if the lung does not respond then a commonly performed procedure using a scope will be performed to repair the lung. Brandon should be released within 48 hours afterward. We expect 100 percent recovery where he can resume his off season training in two to four weeks.

"We were hopeful that the tube would have been removed this past Monday, but the lung would not remain inflated. Brandon is in good spirits, especially after speaking with his friend, Christopher Nixon. Brandon would like to thank the doctors and nurses at Howard University Hospital for their care and appreciates the outpouring of love and support from his fans, teammates and the Redskins family."

Banks and Nixon, a close friend, were both stabbed around 3 a.m. Saturday after they got into an argument with a man police have identified as Jason Dacosta Shorter.

Banks was taken to the hospital in stable condition with what Gould originally described as superficial wounds. The agent had said Banks was expected to be released sometime Sunday, but that release date was pushed back on each of the next two days before Wednesday's move of Banks to Virginia Hospital Center.

Nixon received multiple stab wounds to the face and upper body and was taken to a different D.C. area hospital than Banks. He has been listed in critical condition. Shorter was arrested Saturday morning and later charged with assault with a dangerous weapon. He was released, but is under high intensity monitoring, and is due to report to D.C. Superior Court for his preliminary hearing on March 8.

By Mike Jones  | February 16, 2011; 5:45 PM ET
 
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Comments

Now......... That's reporting!!

Posted by: jiza32 | February 16, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it an echo... In here?

Posted by: jiza32 | February 16, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Get well soon BB.

As for the previous post, I noticed someone saying that if the Skins drafted a qb in Rd #1, it is like buying the roof without the foundation. I cannot disagree more. Without a doubt, the qb position is the #1 problem that the Skins must solve. I think the reasons are obvious to just about everyone. Now, should the qb position be addressed with that pick is another question, but let's not under value that concept.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

hope Banks gets well quickly -- amazing how this story went from superficial to a big deal

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Jones. Who? Mike Jones. Who? Mike Jones.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | February 16, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

So now with Cam Newton going 3rd to Buffalo according to Mel Kyper, the 'Skins are projected to select Gabbert.

Will that shut all the Newton Haters up now? Watch Newton pull a Sam Bradford.

The only places in the draft you should choose a QB is high in the first round - exceptions not withstanding. So, unless the 'Skins plan to be picking in the top 10 again next year, they should take a QB with their first pick and hope they can get him the necessary time as a backup to learn the system so he is ready late in the season but hopefully at the start of next year.

If you do take the high-priced first round QB, you better build a wall in front of him and take almost (but really) nothing but big, strong, smelly O-linemen!

Book it!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Now......... That's reporting!!

Posted by: jiza32 |

That's right because if Banks agent says it, it's Gospel. When's the funeral?

As for Nixon: "He has been listed in critical condition." That's not an update. "High intensity monitoring" is not an explanation. Where's the sports department's Ben Bradlee saying "You don't have it yet."

Posted by: TheCork | February 16, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

How messed up are D.C. laws!!!?? They'll give you prison time for carrying a gun, but you can try to kill two people with a knife and they call it assault!!?? Unreal!!!

Posted by: skins91r | February 16, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

When you wake up in the morning how do you decide whether to post under N_P_I or P_F?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 16, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Nixon received multiple stab wounds to the face and upper body and was taken to a different D.C. area hospital than Banks. He has been listed in critical condition. Shorter was arrested Saturday morning and later charged with assault with a dangerous weapon."

Regardless of who started the fight, this guy Shorter sounds like something out of a horror movie. How do you inflict that much damage in so little time? Sounds like he was swinging away like a madman.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 16, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM

Hey dipsh1t. The Bills have 5 DL on the roster and are cutting Maybin. They're taking a OLB or DE. Kiper is right as often as you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Just catching up on the last couple threads...if Carolina or Buffalo blows its load over Newton, then that's great. We'll take a stud defender or Gabbert at #10. I think McShay is a low rent scrub when it comes to draft analysis, but if he's right about Gabbert = Rodgers, then that might be a damn good pick for us. Can't wait till NFLN starts up its "Path To The Draft" coverage so I can get some REAL insight...

Tip of the cap to Olivadotti...seemed like he was a decent coach for a long time. To survive all the coaching changes of the last decade, he kinda had to be. Best of luck to him moving forward.

Oh...and get well soon, BB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just wow:

Banner: If Mike Shanahan can win two Super Bowls, Andy Reid can too
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 16, 2011, 5:54 PM EST

Eagles President Joe Banner joined Howard Eskin on WIP Wednesday and tried to dispel the feeling in Philadelphia that the clock is ticking on Andy Reid’s time in Philadelphia.

Banner says the team believes Reid gives them the best shot to win the Super Bowl and that anyone that has been around Reid believes the coach is good enough to win a title.

“Sometimes its baffling he hasn’t won a Super bowl, multiple Super Bowls,” Banner remarked. “I’m very confident he’s very capable of winning multiple Super Bowls. I’m shocked he hasn’t.”

With that said, Banner doesn’t believe Reid lacks some magical quality that Super Bowl winning coaches possess. Banner noted that the head coach in Washington D.C. had multiple Super Bowls and that he doesn’t know anyone that would trade Andy Reid for Mike Shanahan.

Boom. Roasted.

It’s worth noting the Eagles President threw in the comment as an aside and certainly not as some premeditated trash talk.

It was just Banner speaking the truth, and we doubt many people around the NFL would disagree with him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Watch Newton pull a Sam Bradford.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM


The only way Newton could do anything like Bradford is if he falls on his shoulder awkwardly as misses games. That's it. That's the list.

Have you even watched football before? Or did you think this was a futbol blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM

Hey dipsh1t. The Bills have 5 DL on the roster and are cutting Maybin. They're taking a OLB or DE. Kiper is right as often as you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 6:42 PM |


Hey deuchebag, re-read my post. I said that was according to Mel. Take it up with him. Personally, I'd rather have Newton than Gabbert strictly based on upside but that's just me.

Don't be such a dick and I won't have to keep making you my wh0re.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Later faigs, I'm late for a blow-n-go with your mothers.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't be such a dick and I won't have to keep making you my wh0re.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:49 PM

IF we HAD to take a QB at #10 then the choice would have to be Newton based on potential. No doubt. Flabbert is overweight and inaccurate and had pedstrian numbers (16TDs and 9 INTs) in the spread offense. The same offense that Chase Daniels put up 39 TDs in his final year.

BTW. Every time I see you post I laugh and give my laptop/Ipad/Iphone the BELT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse


Later faigs, I'm late for a blow-n-go with your mothers.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:52 PM |
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hey, how'd you know my mom's name was fist ?

Posted by: hessone | February 16, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Stay classy, NPI...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Talk about jinxed, this team just seems to be enveloped in bad Karma ever since Dan Snyder became the owner. Nothing seems to go right season after season, coaches and players come and go, and the results are pretty much always the same--

Dismal and Disapointing.

Brandon Banks was about the only bright spot from last season, I hope he gets well and learns an important life lesson from this incident, he'll be playing the game of life a lot longer than the game of football.

As far as contending, I love the Skins and want to be optimistic, but this team is a pathetic mess right now, and has been for quite some time now, and I feel it will be a long, long time, years, before we ever see anything close to the glory years of the 80's and early 90's.

Of course, I hope I'm proven wrong.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 16, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Cant think of any of his non-Redskin biz related units that are presently successful enough to carry a Redskin-less income year. So, I throw it back to you Scamp.. Show me what cash flow he has other than a guaranteed nfl tv deal (for now, until the NFLPA sues), and FedEx concessions (gone via lockout), Redskins Radio (Dan Jazeera)..whose Ad sales will disappear with a lockout, etc.
He could be thinner than we think, without the Redskins direct and/or related income.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011

My point was, for the second time, that we really don't know what Dan Snyder's investments hold. But right off the top of wiki he owns Dick Clark Production, Red Zebra Radio (which you mentioned but is into far more than just Redskins radio), he's on the board of Ventiv Health and McLeodUSA, and he has investments in Tom Cruises production company. He also has his own personal capital investment company...probably makes a few bucks here and there. Those are the ones that a very quick search produced.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Looking at NFL network, and as a poster stated earlier, just about every highlight of someone making plays(offense or defense)almost always shows them doing it against the Redskins.

What a joke we've become. Do you think there is any team now in the NFL that fears or doesn't want to play the Redskins.

I think not, I'm sure the other 31 teams in the league would acutally look forward to playing us.

A long time ago that was not the case.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 16, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Shorter was arrested Saturday morning and later charged with assault with a dangerous weapon. He was released, but is under high intensity monitoring"
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WashPost back peddling..
Shorter was arrested by DC police but charges were actually later reduced by the prosecutors after the surveillance video was reviewed and witnesses interviewed. Shorter was released under his own recognizance to appear back in court on March 8th. This is stated all over the Net... Just google the string...
Banks Shorter released own recognizance

Nowhere by the DC police or prosecutors (or any newswire) is there a reference to Shorter being under "intense monitoring" let alone any "monitoring", except this new reference by the Wash Post covering their tracks on earlier erroneous reporting about who instigated the fight.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight...we're supposed to pass on Newton or Gabbert, use the 10th pick on an offensive or defensive lineman? ...or maybe draft a QB in the later rounds and hope he's Tom Brady?

Last I checked, most of not all of the recent Super Bowl champions have either above average or elite QB's.

We need a QB and Shanahan and Allen should draft either Newton or Gabbert with the #10 pick.

As fans, we talk ourselves into being losers....we need a QB not a Guard at #10...now rounds 2, 5, 6 and 7 is a different story.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 16, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Been hibernating for a month. Can one of the bloggas tell me who the hell is Mike Jones? Did he give himself a ridiculous name like "da Mayor?" Does he have Rock Cartwright on speed dial?

Posted by: dcwun | February 16, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

rr- Nobody drafts Guards at #10. We need a OLB or DE at #10. We definitely don't need to reach for a QB when we have needs up and down this roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Nowhere by the DC police or prosecutors (or any newswire) is there a reference to Shorter being under "intense monitoring" let alone any "monitoring", except this new reference by the Wash Post covering their tracks on earlier erroneous reporting about who instigated the fight.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:18 PM

WRONG! What is your beef with the Post? Are you Barno's sock puppet?

"The man accused of stabbing Redskins punt returner Brandon Banks is getting an electronic monitoring device."

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-justice/2011/02/defendant-in-brandon-banks-stabbing-gets-electronic-monitoring-device-documents--8559.html

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcwun | February 16, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Haha...

As far as I know, we have not glossed Mike Jones with a nickname yet, nor has he come in and glossed himself with one ala Reid.

Based on his work thus far, I'm leaning toward Mike "The Truth" Jones. He's thorough, on the ball, and seems highly competent. IE he's the anti-Reid.

But I'll defer to the blog elders to see if it sticks.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 16, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

understood.. Maybe the only hope to get him to sell the team is the loss of the anti-trust exemption.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse
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The NFL doesn't have an anti-trust exemption! Only MLB does!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 16, 2011 5:29 PM

Wrong dkidwell.... or you better alert Congress and the Senate who are split on removing this protection. And the NFL who filed a complaint a few days ago referencing antitrust litigation threats by the NFLPA.

Its the main threat of the NFLPA to undo the exemption. (see below).
Do you really think its legal for 32 separate companies producing the same product to lock out ALL their employees at the same time?
Or, to have an exclusive tv deal that locks out all other competitors?
Or, the exclusive merchandise deals?

Some articles and links..below..

"Arlen Spector taking aim at NFL AntiTrust Exemption"
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2690171

Rep. Maxine Waters: "Yank the NFL's Antitrust Exemption"
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/28/bruce-editing-rep-maxine-waters-congress-should-yank-nfls-an/
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) Wednesday called on Congress to end the National Football League's antitrust exemption, citing what she called willful ignorance by the league of the debilitating effects the game has had on players who suffered multiple, repeated concussions. She made her remarks during a House Judiciary Committee hearing, where witnesses testified about increased rates of neurological disorders among retired professional football players.

The NFL is exempt from antitrust laws, which allows individual teams to act as one business in a variety of contract negotiations, to its own financial benefit. The league and the players union are at the beginning of collective bargaining agreements, and the U.S. Supreme Court will soon hear a petition from the NFL to expand and protect its antitrust exemption.

And it would appear if there is no anti-trust exemption.. the NFL would have nothing to worry about to file a complaint..but here it is....
“The NFLPA’s threat to use a sham disclaimer of interest after expiration of the CBA is the same tactic that it employed in 1989......The union’s purpose in doing so is....to seek to use antitrust litigation to enjoin a lawful lockout, and once again attempt to achieve its bargaining objectives under the coercive guise of an antitrust settlement. This plan by the union has produced 20 months of surface bargaining as the union has run out the clock in order to disclaim interest after expiration of the CBA.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/14/league-files-unfair-labor-practice-charge-over-plan-to-decertify/

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Been hibernating for a month. Can one of the bloggas tell me who the hell is Mike Jones? Did he give himself a ridiculous name like "da Mayor?" Does he have Rock Cartwright on speed dial?

Posted by: dcwun | February 16, 2011 7:31 PM

I've named him Mike "No Spin" Jones. Whether the name catches on or not remains to be seen but I think, at least so far, it's an accurate nick name.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Supreme Court seems disinclined to give NFL antitrust exemption

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 14, 2010

Supreme Court justices Wednesday showed little support for exempting the National Football League from federal antitrust laws, a longtime goal of the league and other sports organizations.

The court considered a lawsuit challenging the NFL's decision to give a sole contract to Reebok to manufacture hats, T-shirts and other apparel bearing the logos of the league's teams. But the bigger question was whether the NFL should be considered a "single entity" -- rather than a collection of 32 independently owned teams -- and thus shielded from the Sherman Antitrust Act. A single company cannot be guilty of conspiring with itself to harm consumers.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor told the NFL's attorney, Gregg Levy: "You are seeking through this ruling what you haven't gotten from Congress: an absolute bar to an antitrust claim." Among sports leagues, only Major League Baseball has an antitrust exemption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011304394.html?wprss=rss_nation

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"The man accused of stabbing Redskins punt returner Brandon Banks is getting an electronic monitoring device."

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-justice/2011/02/defendant-in-brandon-banks-stabbing-gets-electronic-monitoring-device-documents--8559.html

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:34 PM

Interesting, orginally all other newswires said he is released on his own recognizance... not "intense monitoring".
No beef with the Post, other than wanting objective reporting that isnt afraid of Snyder. Dozens of other outlets (including the City Paper/ABC/CBS) have been saying for the last 2 days that, according to the video(s) the Nixon/Banks party instigated the fight.. Yet, the WashPost painted a completely different picture and then went strangely quiet in spite of these new updates.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I've named him Mike "No Spin" Jones. Whether the name catches on or not remains to be seen but I think, at least so far, it's an accurate nick name.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Been catching up on his stuff and he seems decent so far. He doesn't appear to be cut from the cloth of LaCanHater or Da Mayor. Time will tell.....

Posted by: dcwun | February 16, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The NFL has a limited anti trust exemption which basically allows it to exist without actually granting it any antitrust protection. I know this sounds wierd but it's true. The NFL does not have a congressionally or judicially antitrust exemption.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Alone among professional sports, baseball enjoys immunity from antitrust prosecution because neither Congress nor the Supreme Court has been willing to overturn an ancient decision that baseball is merely an amusement, not a commercial enterprise."

http://www.slate.com/id/2068290/

I think the confusion is that baseball has exemption from prosecution under any aspect of the antitrust laws. Football is only exempt for one thing: negotiating television contracts as a league, rather than by individual clubs.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The NFL has a limited anti trust exemption which basically allows it to exist without actually granting it any antitrust protection. I know this sounds wierd but it's true. The NFL does not have a congressionally or judicially antitrust exemption.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 7:57 PM

I don't think that's right. The Supreme Court found that the NFL's method of negotiating TV contracts violated the Anti Trust laws. In 1961 Congress passed a law which exempted the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Justice Sonia Sotomayor told the NFL's attorney, Gregg Levy: "You are seeking through this ruling what you haven't gotten from Congress: an absolute bar to an antitrust claim." Among sports leagues, only Major League Baseball has an antitrust exemption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011304394.html?wprss=rss_nation

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:49 PM |
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The key phrase from the justice is "absolute bar to an antitrust claim".
The NFL has stretched the boundaries of what was granted to them.. and aggrieved parties can pick their fights.. The NFLPA just picked the latest.

Others have picked,
"The Black Out Policy"
"Network Deal Exclusivity"
"Merchandise Exclusivity"
"32 team lockout"
"Spygate coverup" (Arlen Specter)
"Concussions Coverup" (Maxine Waters)

The NFL was granted an Anti-trust exemption in order to complete the merger of the NFL and the AFL. This exemption does not prohibit other business ventures, such as the USFL, but it does prevent an uninterested party from suing the NFL under anti-trust laws, the way that AT&T was years ago.

If someone were to start a Football league, such as the USFL or the XFL, and the NFL were to commit acts specifically to hinder their business (ie. TV deal barriers), their anti-trust exemption can be revoked.

Basically, the anti-trust exemption just allows the NFL to exist. It does not prevent competition or give the NFL exclusive rights to anything. Without the exemption, the NFL would have to either assist with creating a league that is a direct competitor to the NFL, or would have to split itself into two or more independent organizations.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, orginally all other newswires said he is released on his own recognizance... not "intense monitoring".

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:52 PM

I think that "own recognizance" simply means that he didn't have to post bail. It is not inconsistent with "intense monitoring" in the form of a monitoring device.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Revelation: James Gould was also the agent/spokesman for the Black Knight in 'Monty Python & the Holy Grail' ("It's only a flesh wound")?

Posted by: BinM | February 16, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

iH8- Some how he managed to get a 12 on the wonderlic but can't name all 9 of his kids by 6 different women.

He's a POS, no thanks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

givenSunday--

If you click on the link to the TBD story about the monitoring device, it has the court documents that describe Shorter's release. It is called a "High Intensity Supervision Program" and includes what sounds like house arrest for 21 days. So, the term came from the court documents, not fabricated by the Post.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Revelation: James Gould was also the agent/spokesman for the Black Knight in 'Monty Python & the Holy Grail' ("It's only a flesh wound")?

Posted by: BinM | February 16, 2011 8:15 PM

Bringing up Monty Python and the Holy Grail is always a good thing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse


The NFL has a limited anti trust exemption which basically allows it to exist without actually granting it any antitrust protection. I know this sounds wierd but it's true. The NFL does not have a congressionally or judicially antitrust exemption.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 7:57 PM

I don't think that's right. The Supreme Court found that the NFL's method of negotiating TV contracts violated the Anti Trust laws. In 1961 Congress passed a law which exempted the NFL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:03 PM |

It's all just so wierd and sounds like a cluster-SJK.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

iH8- Some how he managed to get a 12 on the wonderlic but can't name all 9 of his kids by 6 different women.

He's a POS, no thanks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Deadbeat. Isn't 12 low on the Wonderlic?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

who the hell is Mike Jones?

He's putting up solid shots like Reggie Miller against the Knicks, that's who he is.

Let'em grind, he's making me read his stuff and not post.

And that never happens.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 16, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Dozens of other outlets (including the City Paper/ABC/CBS) have been saying for the last 2 days that, according to the video(s) the Nixon/Banks party instigated the fight.. Yet, the WashPost painted a completely different picture and then went strangely quiet in spite of these new updates.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:52 PM


This is what John Keim said today in the Washington Examiner:

"Banks and a friend, Christopher Nixon, was stabbed in an altercation outside a D.C. nightclub Saturday morning. According to the police report, Banks was not the instigator of the incident. Banks was stabbed in the upper abdomen."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/banks-moved-another-hospital-faces-procedure#ixzz1EAyBfLAF

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Isn't 12 low on the Wonderlic?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Very low. Still higher than you'd expect from him. Vince Young had a 6.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Let'em grind, he's making me read his stuff and not post.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 16, 2011 8:38 PM |

That has to be a big positive right there, even if the dude were to write an article about how persecuted and misunderstood Dan Snyder is.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Isn't 12 low on the Wonderlic?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Very low. Still higher than you'd expect from him. Vince Young had a 6.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to take the Wonderlic, just to see what I score.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

f it, id take cam in the 1st and cam in the 2nd

newton and heyward

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 16, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:39 PM |

It was a bar fight at 3 AM. Many times in them type of sits every dude is a gator.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Very low. Still higher than you'd expect from him. Vince Young had a 6.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 8:43 PM

EncinoMan had also had a 6, but reading his posts you would think it would have been higher -- probably around 9 or 10.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:48 PM |

Google it and you will find a test exam that is a good replicate of the Lick.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

retroskins14

I'd take cam in the 1st and cam in the 2nd...newton and heyward


Let's move down from 10 to 17-21, take P Taylor and then, in round 2, C Ponder.

There's got to be a trading partner.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 16, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Google it and you will find a test exam that is a good replicate of the Lick.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:55 PM |

I took the exam and scored a 44. How do you do, Mr, Manning, Eli version.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I took the exam and scored a 44. How do you do, Mr, Manning, Eli version.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:58 PM |

And my brain hasn't totally thawed out yet!

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to take the Wonderlic, just to see what I score.

Posted by: iH8dallas

There are a bunch of sites that offer up Wonderlic questions ... I took it a long time ago -- and I'm pretty skeptical about its relationship to football ability.

You can probably search and find a legit Wonderlic test (actual time and questions), but here are some sample questions.

http://www.testprepreview.com/wonderlicpracticequestions1.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to take the Wonderlic, just to see what I score.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 8:48 PM

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's move down from 10 to 17-21, take P Taylor and then, in round 2, C Ponder.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 16, 2011 8:56 PM |

Ain't sure why you are dry humping Ponder.

1. Has noodle arm
2. Is often injured
3. Wally World has him as the #8 QB prospect, below that dick Devlin from Del

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's move down from 10 to 17-21, take P Taylor and then, in round 2, C Ponder.

There's got to be a trading partner.


Posted by: gimmesummoe


true

i dont think either cam will be there at our respective picks

but im feelin the qb/dl w/ our 1st 2 picks

i need to watch some ponder tape cuz i havent really seen much of him

im f-in had it w/ shatty qb's revolving through here playin like whale shat on the bottom of the ocean

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 16, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

... and I'm pretty skeptical about its relationship to football ability.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2011 9:03 PM |

As a poster pointed out earlier, it ain't so much a predictor of QB success as it is a means of screening out the dunces who would have s snowball's chance in hell of understanding Al Saunder's 700 page playbook.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

... the dunces who would have s snowball's chance in hell of understanding Al Saunder's 700 page playbook.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:18 PM |

So riddle me this. How is it that Al Saunders is now the OC at Oak where the QB is JC who broke out it hives when he tried to decode the 700 pager in Gibbs 2.0?

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Dozens of other outlets (including the City Paper/ABC/CBS) have been saying for the last 2 days that, according to the video(s) the Nixon/Banks party instigated the fight.. Yet, the WashPost painted a completely different picture and then went strangely quiet in spite of these new updates.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 7:52 PM


This is what John Keim said today in the Washington Examiner:

"Banks and a friend, Christopher Nixon, was stabbed in an altercation outside a D.C. nightclub Saturday morning. According to the police report, Banks was not the instigator of the incident. Banks was stabbed in the upper abdomen."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/banks-moved-another-hospital-faces-procedure#ixzz1EAyBfLAF


Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 8:39 PM


beep, you are one scary strange dude..
How long did you take for you to find that report that didnt follow up on the fact that Shorter was release and charges reduced?

Yes, the police report said that and even jailed Shorter with attempted murder charges and THEN after the prosecutors reviewed the evidence (ie. surveillance video and a cell phone video), the charges were reduced and Shorter was released.
Dozens of media outlets, as I stated, report this.
Why is the Wash Post is dragging their feet in revealing this?? Maybe they are afraid to lose that that precious access to Redskins Park? Who knows.. but, beep, you're a strange one.. troll on....

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I've always wondered if 700 plays are really necessary.

I heard somewhere that if a team can run 15-25 plays really well, then they are fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM |

He had trouble sorting things out in the AH road rage incident as well. Obviously not a Perry Mason type.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The court considered a lawsuit challenging the NFL's decision to give a sole contract to Reebok to manufacture hats, T-shirts and other apparel bearing the logos of the league's teams. But the bigger question was whether the NFL should be considered a "single entity" -- rather than a collection of 32 independently owned teams -- and thus shielded from the Sherman Antitrust Act. A single company cannot be guilty of conspiring with itself to harm consumers.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor told the NFL's attorney, Gregg Levy: "You are seeking through this ruling what you haven't gotten from Congress: an absolute bar to an antitrust claim." Among sports leagues, only Major League Baseball has an antitrust exemption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011304394.html?wprss=rss_nation


Posted by: beep-beep | February 16, 2011 7:49 PM

this is where it gets interesting..
The NFL cant have it both ways..
Previous supreme court ruling that protected them or "bailed them out" in the merchandise hearing which stated they were acting as 32 separate entities...
Yet, now the NFL will have locked out all labor/employees from those same 32 teams.
This is fun as a lawyer.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

but, beep, you're a strange one.. troll on....

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM

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You have to watch out for some of his other troll i.d.

The list includes(but not limited to):
talented_evaluator
Personal_Fowl
MrChip
MimiAnsari

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

but, beep, you're a strange one.. troll on....

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM

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You have to watch out for some of his other troll i.d.

The list includes(but not limited to):
talented_evaluator
Personal_Fowl
MrChip
MimiAnsari
~
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 9:53 PM

An intervention is needed....Or, an RI Rehab ala Celebrity Rehab for insecure low self-esteem trolling bloggers.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The list includes(but not limited to):
talented_evaluator
Personal_Fowl
MrChip
MimiAnsari

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 9:53 PM |

Mr. Chip is actually mack1. He admitted it yesterday...so as usual you're wrong. Keep trying though, your miserable, pathetic failings are at least humorous...perineum.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I've always wondered if 700 plays are really necessary.

I heard somewhere that if a team can run 15-25 plays really well, then they are fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 16, 2011 9:30 PM

I believe Gibb's OC for 2 SB's, Dan Henning, (recently credited for bringing back the Wildcat via Miami a few years ago) had 30 plays, total.

Poor JC...odds were 1 out of 32 Saunders and his 700 pages would land in Oakland...and bingo, he wins.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

so as usual you're wrong. Keep trying though, your miserable, pathetic failings are at least humorous...perineum.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 10:07 PM
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You're a Georgia Tech grad right?

I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 9:53 PM |

Maybe also PAskinsfan and TubularBells.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 9:53 PM |

Maybe also PAskinsfan and TubularBells.

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 10:15 PM

Nice.. So the Wash Post Online Ad sales Dept promotes they have a 1000 active bloggers on RI.. When, in fact, its actually 20 sociopaths each with 50 aliases.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

You're a Georgia Tech grad right?

I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 10:12 PM |

I could have a negative IQ and still see that you're a blithering moron.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

You're a Georgia Tech grad right?

I'm glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 10:12 PM

Easy on the GT..Thundah.... Besides being a Bobby Ross guy...the only buildings A/E'd by grads that I would sleep soundly in are VMI, GT, USC, Cal Poly, Cornell zzzzz.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice.. So the Wash Post Online Ad sales Dept promotes they have a 1000 active bloggers on RI.. When, in fact, its actually 20 sociopaths each with 50 aliases.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 16, 2011 10:23 PM
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Nice Try NERD. NOT.

troll on onanygivensunday...

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | February 16, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

How bout this

Kerrigan/ taylor

Add a FA o lineman

Our lines leave much to be desired

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 16, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

still tippin on four-fours! sorry fo-fos.

mike jones! i'm mike jones cause my name is mike jones some call me mike jones it ryhmes with bones cause i'm mike jones still tippin on fo foosoooooss brandon banks' lung has collapsed due to reportedly superficial knife wounds sustained while being a part of the general orbit of the redskins

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 16, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Perforating stab wound puncturing a lung is superficial? Wow, what's serious? Stabbed through the heart? Doesn't sound as though Mr.SHORTER missed that mark by much.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

How bout this

Kerrigan/ taylor

Add a FA o lineman

Our lines leave much to be desired

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 16, 2011 10:53 PM

I would be okay with that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I also have a solution to our non SuperBowl winning roster (see previous post about the necessity of having a player from Purdue and GT on team)...Kerrigan and Jerrard Tarrant, FS, Georgia Tech in the 5th.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the most detailed account of the Brandon Banks incident I've seen yet...although I don't recognize nor necessarily trust the source:

http://thefabempire.com/2011/02/16/cell-phone-video-shows-brandon-banks-starts-fight-outside-the-park/

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This is the most detailed account of the Brandon Banks incident I've seen yet...although I don't recognize nor necessarily trust the source:

http://thefabempire.com/2011/02/16/cell-phone-video-shows-brandon-banks-starts-fight-outside-the-park/

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 12:00 AM

It's just sad. I followed Banks on twitter and could tell that he was out having a few cocktails and then the the tweets stopped and then a day later his account was gone.

We've all been young and dumb and hopefully BB has learned his lesson. The reports of the incident and BB's condition have been misreported since that night.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article Scamp. Sounds like Shorter's version of the events. My guess: The truth lies somewhere in between what the Post has reported and this. As much as I like the Skins and want Banks to come back (and continue being a force), I doubt he is totally the "victim" in this incident.

Posted by: msrent | February 17, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

It's just sad. I followed Banks on twitter and could tell that he was out having a few cocktails and then the the tweets stopped and then a day later his account was gone.

We've all been young and dumb and hopefully BB has learned his lesson. The reports of the incident and BB's condition have been misreported since that night.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2011 12:14 AM

How true. Lord knows I've been in the wrong place/wrong time more than once at that age. Hope the guy comes back 100%. I know when I was in my late 20's I had the collapsed lung & chest tube. It's never been the same. That's not to say he couldn't perform as a ST player at a high level (same as he has).

Posted by: msrent | February 17, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Whitlock just won't let up on the HoF voters:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Jason-Whitlock-says-Pro-Football-Hall-of-Fame-selection-process-still-needs-reform-021511

He does clear up his borderline attack on Russ Grimm by saying that Jacoby should be in the HoF instead. Interesting take, I thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Whitlock just won't let up on the HoF voters:


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 6:38 AM

He got a lot of attention from other media boobs and he's going to keep riding it because nothing else he says gets him noticed. He can ride it forever because there is no best way and because, well, so what?

HOF voting = Power Rankings

There's an objective way to select people. There can't be a playoff system. It will always be a beauty pageant and the argument is about who should be the judges and how they should vote.

Boring.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 6:47 AM | Report abuse

There's NOT an objective way to select people.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Beep, that doesn't mean the process isn't broken and needs to be fixed. If anything, Whitlock is brilliant for bringing it up now when A) there's a valid reason to do so (enshrining Dent over Roaf) and B) when there's literally NOTHING else to talk about surrounding the NFL because of the labor situation. Like it or not, people almost have to sit up and pay attention.

Again...I wish the messenger was someone other than Whitlock, but any time I can witness Peter King getting his cage rattled I'm all for it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Whitlock is a total loser and has a distorted view of the world.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 7:24 AM | Report abuse

If Carlos Rogers is not re-signed should we go after Cromartie?

This is a coin-toss.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Ain't sure why you are dry humping Ponder.

Here's a short list of players I've 'dry humped' the past three drafts:

Percy Harvin

Micheal Oher

Phil Loadholdt

Antoine Caldwell

CJ Spiller

Rey Mauluaga

Dez Bryant


I'm 'dry humping' Ponder as from what I've seen of Kyle Shanahan, the redskins need a smart 'system' quarterback who makes quick decisions.

Too, Kyle is not going to change his 'system,' so whomever is drafted to play quarterback must be able to absorb it quickly and produce immediately.

Ponder is an accurate 'short-ball' passer, and if anything, the packers have proven that efficient short passing is the best way to stop the blitz happy 3-4 teams, especially if you have a so-so offensive line.

And we do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 7:27 AM | Report abuse

If Carlos Rogers is not re-signed should we go after Cromartie?

This is a coin-toss.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 7:25 AM

No. See diesel's post last night. He says it's not a coin toss -- it's a no-brainer. He actually said that Cromartie's the no-brainer.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm 'dry humping' Ponder as from what I've seen of Kyle Shanahan, the redskins need a smart 'system' quarterback who makes quick decisions.

Too, Kyle is not going to change his 'system,' so whomever is drafted to play quarterback must be able to absorb it quickly and produce immediately.

Ponder is an accurate 'short-ball' passer, and if anything, the packers have proven that efficient short passing is the best way to stop the blitz happy 3-4 teams, especially if you have a so-so offensive line.

And we do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 7:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd be cool with Mr. Ponder in the 2nd round.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Final word on quarterbacking.

The 'noodle-arm' epithet loses power if a guy makes quick, accurate decisions.

Jason Campbell has one of the best arms in the NFL.

But he can not maximize its value as he processes his reads slowly.

A guy who makes quick decisions with a 'noodle-arm' is better than a strong arm guy who doesn't.

Peyton Manning throws one of the ugliest balls in the league, but he gets it to where it's supposed to go.

Carson Palmer has a strong arm, but his passes seem to go all over the place.

And so, when you're looking at college quarterbacks, try to consider who gets the ball to the receiver quickly and accurately, and not off-base/angle with a lot of zip.

We cold really use an accurate passer who hits guys in stride: it extends the running game and forces safeties to play and not blitz.

Now, I'll go back to my dry-humping.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

ih8, I want no parts of Cromartie...he's the kinda guy we're trying to get rid of, not add.

Moe, good stuff on QBs...arm strength is one of the most overrated aspects of a QB's game, IMO. If the first thing you say about a QB is "he's got great arm strength", to me it's a backhanded complement...the football equivolent of being set up on a blind date and the first thing your friend says is "she's got a great personality"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that they say the perp was let go but he's under "high intensity" monitoring. Is that like double top secret probation? I get this picture of a guy standing out side the perp's bathroom asking if he shook the dew off the end before he put that thing back in his pants...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

The 'noodle-arm' epithet loses power if a guy makes quick, accurate decisions.

Jason Campbell has one of the best arms in the NFL.

But he can not maximize its value as he processes his reads slowly.

A guy who makes quick decisions with a 'noodle-arm' is better than a strong arm guy who doesn't.

Peyton Manning throws one of the ugliest balls in the league, but he gets it to where it's supposed to go.

Carson Palmer has a strong arm, but his passes seem to go all over the place.

And so, when you're looking at college quarterbacks, try to consider who gets the ball to the receiver quickly and accurately, and not off-base/angle with a lot of zip.

We cold really use an accurate passer who hits guys in stride: it extends the running game and forces safeties to play and not blitz.

Now, I'll go back to my dry-humping.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I've never understood why they called QBs noodle-armed. I mean even to be a 3rd string QB in the NFL, don't you have to have some kind of arm strength?

What I like in a QB is completion percentage. Do they throw a catchable ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

ih8, I want no parts of Cromartie...he's the kinda guy we're trying to get rid of, not add.

Moe, good stuff on QBs...arm strength is one of the most overrated aspects of a QB's game, IMO. If the first thing you say about a QB is "he's got great arm strength", to me it's a backhanded complement...the football equivolent of being set up on a blind date and the first thing your friend says is "she's got a great personality"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 7:56 AM
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Yeah, I agree but I think there is a great tendency to look at arm strength as something - like speed - that can't be coached and accuracy is something that can be fixed with a change in throwing mechanics. I think that is how teams look at it. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

RSH - maybe it means a 'boot'?

Anyway - g'mawnin' RI!

Have some Tuneage!

...need more cross-cultural posting stuff, ladies. Brangit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I say get rid of the helmets altogether...sissies!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 16, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Just take it one step further and find a way to play without their heads, that would at least solve the concussion problem!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Argument time:

....accuracy is something that can be fixed with a change in throwing mechanics.

I'm debating the point, not who posted it.

I don't think you can coach accuracy by changing mechanics.

In baseball, you can coach a pitcher's mechanics to adjust the ball's approach to the plate.

In football, you can coach a quarterback's mechanics to where he can get rid of the ball quickly and efficiently.

But that special ability where some guys can put a ball to a certain spot pitch after pitch or pass after pass is god-given.

In our case, we need a guy who hits guys in stride to maximize YAC: in fact, that's all I really want in a new quarterback.

Excellent deep throws are great.

But a guy who can accurately move the ball to the flat, centerfield, and, occasionally, upfield is desired if the receiver can take the pass in stride and additional 4-8 yards after the catch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Using the dating analogy, I'm going to place arm-strenght as 'a great rack'... it that it looks awesome and you can do a lot with it... but it's not the definition of the job, y'know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I've never understood why they called QBs noodle-armed. I mean even to be a 3rd string QB in the NFL, don't you have to have some kind of arm strength?

What I like in a QB is completion percentage. Do they throw a catchable ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I think Jay Schroeder had the strongest arm in the history of the NFL, and his cockiness was even stronger. The dude just couldn't get it done.

Accuracy should be the BIGGEST thing people look for. After that it's reading defenses, coolness under pressure, being aware in the pocket and mobility, and a good leader in the huddle. Maybe arm strength is next.

I agree on the noodle armed comment, but why then don't they call kickers with a weak leg 'noodle legged'?

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on cromartie...football aside, he's a first class pos, who needs to be neutered....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Accuracy should be the BIGGEST thing people look for. After that it's reading defenses, coolness under pressure, being aware in the pocket and mobility, and a good leader in the huddle. Maybe arm strength is next.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:27 AM

100% co-sign.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I say get rid of the helmets altogether...sissies!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 16, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Just take it one step further and find a way to play without their heads, that would at least solve the concussion problem!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:17 AM
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Ever watch Rugby? League, not union. There's no blocking and some devastating hits in the open field. If I had to choose a second favorite sport, I think Rugby League would be it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

You can't be right on that one, Moe. Like in golf, mechanics are integal to execution.

That isn't to say you can't execute properly with bad mechanics. To continue the golf analogy, you can still play with an unconventional style.

But small measured changes in mechanics can have drastic results. Leg mechanics can effect the accuracy and power by a great degree.

I will agree that there are many ways to skin a cat & innate natural ability makes these things easier for some guys, whereby 'proper' mechanics can slip.

But once those natural abilities fade, it's the mechanics that will allow the carreer to continue.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that they say the perp was let go but he's under "high intensity" monitoring. Is that like double top secret probation?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 7:59 AM

No--the term comes directly off the court order. You can read the court order here:

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-justice/2011/02/defendant-in-brandon-banks-stabbing-gets-electronic-monitoring-device-documents--8559.html

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

(self-post)

In our case, we need a guy who hits guys in stride to maximize YAC: in fact, that's all I really want in a new quarterback.


And this is why I'm 'dry humping' Ponder: most of the passes he threw in the Senior Bowl hit guys he'd only worked out with for a week in stride.

He and L Hankerson looked like a nice tandem.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on cromartie...football aside, he's a first class pos, who needs to be neutered....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 8:31 AM


Agree...he'd be 3rd on my list of people to neuter, right after Octo-Mom and the Duggar woman who appears to be trying to set records for how many kids she can spit out our her womb...

Besides, PFT reported that the Jets aren't looking to let Cromartie go...he's just not as high on the priority list as Holmes, Edwards, or Smith.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you can change the spiral of the ball or the line at which it is delivered, but going from, for example, side arm to over the top will not make your accuracy better.

On the flip side, I think it could make it worse if you start tweeking with something that's been second nature your whole sports career.

Let's face it, Bernie Kosar didn't just wake up one day and say, you know, I think I'll start throwing weird today! He probably had that same side armed style when he was throwing 10 yard passes in Pop Warner.

I bet his Pop Warner coaches tried to change it, I bet they looked stupid after he made it in the NFL!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Anyone besides me that Mike Munchak picking nothing but former NFL players to be his coaches is a little narrow minded? Just read he chose Tracey Rocker to be his defensive line coach. Anyone remember him?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Anyone besides me think that Mike Munchak picking nothing but former NFL players to be his coaches is a little narrow minded? Just read he chose Tracey Rocker to be his defensive line coach. Anyone remember him?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:38 AM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I say get rid of the helmets altogether...sissies!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 16, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Just take it one step further and find a way to play without their heads, that would at least solve the concussion problem!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:17 AM
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Ever watch Rugby? League, not union. There's no blocking and some devastating hits in the open field. If I had to choose a second favorite sport, I think Rugby League would be it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:33 AM

Damn monk...pulling my nonsense from yesterday? I don't even remember what that was about...

Go Rugby, Table Soccer, and Horseshoes!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle


Don't talk to me about golf.

It is the only sport I never got good at.

My swing is technically very sound.

But for whatever reason, I only hit like Tiger Woods in the bedroom, and not on the golf course.

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad joke groan.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse


It's funny that they say the perp was let go but he's under "high intensity" monitoring. Is that like double top secret probation?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 7:59 AM

No--the term comes directly off the court order. You can read the court order here:

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-justice/2011/02/defendant-in-brandon-banks-stabbing-gets-electronic-monitoring-device-documents--8559.html

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:35 AM
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But what's it mean, beep? It almost sounds like an apology for not being able to keep him locked up. You know, "We're sorry we couldn't keep him under lock and key but we're going to our very best-est best to watch him now that he's out there on the streets..."

I think Dik said that maybe that meant a boot. I assume he means one of those house arrest devices, but they didn't say house arrest.

Legal term or not, I couldn't help but think of Dean Wormer when I read it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I watched practically every game from the time GRIMM [PITTSBURGH] and JACOBY [LOUISVILLE] came on with the 'SKINS until they retired. As a former o-lineman, I was particularly interested in line play. If WHITLOCK says JACOBY had a better career than GRIMM, I say he doesn't know his azz from first base about the subject.

BTW, how did JOE GIBBS get off the tampering charge leveled at him for signing RUSS when he did? I know there was some stink over it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Go Rugby, Table Soccer, and Horseshoes!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

And Cornhole, both versions!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Go Rugby, Table Soccer, and Horseshoes!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

And Cornhole, both versions!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:45 AM
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You sock puppets are about as worldly as a Franklin County moonshiner.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

But what's it mean, beep? It almost sounds like an apology for not being able to keep him locked up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:42 AM

Apology? They could have kept him locked up or required a high bail. If anything it's for letting him out on his own recognizance, not requiring him to post bail. They're keeping him on a short leash.

You can see what it means on the court order. In this case it's frequent reporting, a monitoring device, a curfew. It could, but does not, include house arrest and/or stay away.

They've probably also told him not to wear white again until after Memorial Day, but that's not in the court order.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Ever watch Rugby? League, not union. There's no blocking and some devastating hits in the open field. If I had to choose a second favorite sport, I think Rugby League would be it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:33 AM

Played rugby for two months once. Tore up a shoulder, knee, broke a finger, nose, and a front tooth. Never hurt playing football. Damned frustrating. People are never down, when you tackle them they pass the ball, and the speed and stamina necessary are breathtaking. I couldn't keep up, always in the backwash, consequently all the injuries. Said the hell with it, and tipped my hat to those who could play well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM
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Why don't you sock puppets just have it out today?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm gonna try to be incognito today, maybe I'll switch it and do 10/90 schtick to football ratio. I'm putting my serious puppet face on today!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Gotta figure this more to this story than we're being told.

Am guessing that Ol' Shanny is pissed that BB was out after curfew -- don't mind if it's the off-season -- and in a knife fight too.

Hence, no visit to the hospital by the coach.

Or the "laying on of hands" by the Reverend Miracle Mike to magically heal the kick returner's ailing lung...

Like what Miracle Mike did shortly after BB underwent knee surgery early last season.

When doctors pronounced that it might take 4-6 weeks to get the player game-ready again.

Before Miracle Mike said only that "Little guys heal faster," and then proceeded to suit him up and play him the following week.

And the player hobbled and wobbled, but soon played on...

Where are you now, Miracle Mike?

We need your healing powers once again.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

He and L Hankerson looked like a nice tandem.

I like Ponder, wont be upset if we get him in the second but its not my ideal pick. But Hankerson really made Ponder look great in that game. With this years WR class a guy like Hankerson will be had in the mid to late rounds. Leonard has size and pretty decent speed. Say he is a bit raw but he looks like a TD machine to me, real diference maker in the red zone.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse


And Cornhole, both versions!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 8:45 AM

You are a cornhole. Grow up.


Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Ever watch Rugby? League, not union. There's no blocking and some devastating hits in the open field. If I had to choose a second favorite sport, I think Rugby League would be it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:33 AM

Played rugby for two months once. Tore up a shoulder, knee, broke a finger, nose, and a front tooth. Never hurt playing football. Damned frustrating. People are never down, when you tackle them they pass the ball, and the speed and stamina necessary are breathtaking. I couldn't keep up, always in the backwash, consequently all the injuries. Said the hell with it, and tipped my hat to those who could play well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 8:51 AM
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With the superior money to be made in the NFL, I don't understand why the NFL hasn't been able to recruit a few of those guys. There's not an offensive lineman in the bunch, but some of those guys are Orakpo big and fast. They would make serious linebackers.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think they can use the boot as a GPS and don't need to restrict his movement necessarily.... DEAN WORMER!!!!

Lol, Moe. You're probably a better golfer than me. I have a slice so bad, I end up playing he whole one fairway over! Unless I compensate for it... and then I end up hitting completely straight. Annoying as HE77.

Brownie - THIS is for you....


Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

...a guy like Hankerson will be had in the mid to late rounds.


Hankerson didn't have a standout wide receiver career in Miami as that school's quarterbacking has been very, very bad lately.

I too think Hankerson will be like Will Shields, the packers' secondary guy who sneaks into the NFL unnoticed, and proves to be a good player.

And despite what folks feel about the Hurrican football program, they continue to graduate guys who become solid NFL players.

Hankerson in round 4/5?: maybe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So it is the fool beep-beep that is the sock puppet monk811 and playaction, ha-ha. Sooner or later they all slip up. So what do you have to say for yourself beep/monk811/playaction. how many other sock puppets do you have boys ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

With the superior money to be made in the NFL, I don't understand why the NFL hasn't been able to recruit a few of those guys.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:57 AM

With the superior money, you can bet that any of them would sign up in less time than it takes flip-flop to pee on himself. Simple fact is that to play in the NFL you have to have been coached up in high school and college. You don't get many walk-ons at that level. Maybe a few tight ends from Roundball, and one or two kickers, but I can't think of many others.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

But what's it mean, beep? It almost sounds like an apology for not being able to keep him locked up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 8:42 AM

Apology? They could have kept him locked up or required a high bail. If anything it's for letting him out on his own recognizance, not requiring him to post bail. They're keeping him on a short leash.

You can see what it means on the court order. In this case it's frequent reporting, a monitoring device, a curfew. It could, but does not, include house arrest and/or stay away.

They've probably also told him not to wear white again until after Memorial Day, but that's not in the court order.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:51 AM
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I am sure they have him under a lot of scrutiny. I guess it was just the choice of words "high intensity monitoring" that set me off. Well, I'm off to get some work done. I have had enough "high intensity blogging" for the morning and leave you all to enjoy the sock puppet kids.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I watched practically every game from the time GRIMM [PITTSBURGH] and JACOBY [LOUISVILLE] came on with the 'SKINS until they retired. As a former o-lineman, I was particularly interested in line play. If WHITLOCK says JACOBY had a better career than GRIMM, I say he doesn't know his azz from first base about the subject.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Their careers were almost identical:

-2 best members of Hogs
-Came in the same year, 1981
-Both made 4 Pro Bowls
-Both won 3 SB's

To me there are 2 big differences.

1. Grimm was drafted in the 3rd round, he was supposed to make the team in '81 and be good, Jacoby never got drafted and had to fight to make the team. I think more respect should go to him simply because he was undrafted, he beat the odds.

2. Sure, Grimm went against White and other good DT's, but Jacoby went against the best twice a year for years, Lawrence Taylor. Taylor had good games against Jacoby, but I think Jacoby held his own against the Crack Head, especially considering #56 is probably within the top 5 players to ever play.

Grim was ultimately the better player, but Jacoby doesn't get enough respect.

This doesn't discount what Grimm did, he still deserves to be in the HOF, but Jacoby deserves a place next to him.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:10 AM

It's called humor.

I wish beep would join the SPG...you would actually make a nice addition to our collection as well.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse


So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:10 AM

It's called humor.

I wish beep would join the SPG...you would actually make a nice addition to our collection as well.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:11 AM |

Weak defense, besides, the question was for your owner beep, as he has slipped up thinking he was monk811, only to hit the submit button to quickly, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Ain't sure why you are dry humping Ponder.

1. Has noodle arm
2. Is often injured
3. Wally World has him as the #8 QB prospect, below that dick Devlin from Del

Posted by: EncinoMan | February 16, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

First off, if you watch him play then you will see that he has one of the quickest releases and read progressions in the draft.

Secondly, he's #8 if you ignore offensive scheme. If you are looking for a WCO QB he should be very high on your list.

Finally, we've been "humping" Ponder since last year. His injury is actually good for us because it kills his draft position. If you watch him in 09 you'll see a lot more arm strength. 2010 he was injured so it appeared as if he had a noodle arm. I'm sure the team would do their due dilligence before drafting him to make sure he is healed. Sam Bradford had a workout last year in which he blew the socks off of anyone expecting him to have a noodle arm. If Ponder does the same thing we may be lucky to get him in the second round. We also like Devlin so saying he's behind Devlin isn't much of a detraction. These guys throw accurate catchable passes and that's what we need.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Is this true monk? Are you beep-beep? I am shocked!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

L Hankerson, Im thinking 4 or 5. WR is just so stacked dude like him will fall. Still depends on the combine. I Could see him progressing like a H Nicks. Didnt produce much till his last year then broke out big in his bowl game and the combines. The more i look at the skill players in this draft the more of them i want.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse


Is this true monk? Are you beep-beep? I am shocked!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:20 AM |

You should know fool. How many other puppets are you ? Ha ha, beep-beep is busted. Sock puppet master of monk811 and playaction. The post above says it all. BUSTED FOOL.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Re: Mike Jones

Decent start, let's see it continue. Even JReid started out posting real information before he reverted to a tiresome 24/7 AH-watch. It's about consistency over time.


Re: QBs in the draft

I say let 'em all go. Draft defense with the top several picks.


Re: Owners/Players Negotiation

Here's a copy of the transcript of their last negotiation:

"You said 'total' revenue!".

"No I didn't!!! I said 'net' revenue, YOU said 'total' revenue! Why do ALWAYS put words in my mouth!"

"Oh, so now this is MY fault. I'M the bad guy?? Typical?!"

"TYPICAL !?! What the he** is THAT supposed to mean! This is why it's IMPOSSIBLE to talk to you about this kind of stuff, I don't know why I even try!?"

"Why are you getting so defensive over?! I'm just trying to figure out WTH YOU want from me?"

"No, you don't care about ANYTHING that I think or what I'm saying. You NEVER listen to ME. It's always all about YOU. THAT'S why this thing is impossible?!?!?"

...it goes on for another 15 pages, but you get the picture.


RE: Sock-puppets

Gotta be the lamest most pathetic thing in the world. Coming up here and blogging under anonymous handles is already a bit pathetic. Then to hide your anonymous handle behind a second anonymous handle just for kicks...it's just going into lame-a$$ computer-dork territory that I can't comprehend.


Re: Brandon Banks, his buddy and the guy with the electro-anklet

They're all a bunch of crap-munchers. Anyone getting involved in any kind of fight like that on any level is a tool-a$$ed wannabe tough guy who listens to too much gangsta rap. Let me guess. Someone was looking at someone else in a way that made them feel "dissed" right? Kind of like the whole Plax thing - who gives a rat's arse about the legalese details. Some people get what they deserve because they're stupid - we just don;t have laws that spell that out.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Grim was ultimately the better player, but Jacoby doesn't get enough respect.

This doesn't discount what Grimm did, he still deserves to be in the HOF, but Jacoby deserves a place next to him.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

A lot was our system too. Gibbs revolution was the pulling guard, this was Grimms calling card. that had a significant impact on the game, one of the things HOF voters look for. Jacboy def needs to get their but Grimm deserved the first Hogs honor.
Plus Grimm was drafted in the 3rd but he expected to be a first or early second rounder, he said he was always pissed about that and used it.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse


RE: Sock-puppets

Gotta be the lamest most pathetic thing in the world. Coming up here and blogging under anonymous handles is already a bit pathetic. Then to hide your anonymous handle behind a second anonymous handle just for kicks...it's just going into lame-a$$ computer-dork territory that I can't comprehend.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 9:26 AM |

Coin Toss: Who will be attacking monk811 today?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM


Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |


Playaction ask monk811 a question and look who responds to that question. Oppss, beep-beep, you forgot to post the response as monk811, BUSTED SOCK PUPPET FOOL!

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Kind of like the whole Plax thing

plax shot himself with his own gun, because plax was too stupid to put the safety on....not exactly the same thing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:44 PM

Interesting find. Reminiscent of the debates we have on the subject.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Someone was looking at someone else in a way that made them feel "dissed" right? Kind of like the whole Plax thing"


Was he looking in the mirror when he shot himself???

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Playaction ask monk811 a question and look who responds to that question. Oppss, beep-beep, you forgot to post the response as monk811, BUSTED SOCK PUPPET FOOL!

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:30 AM

Dumb.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse


Playaction ask monk811 a question and look who responds to that question. Oppss, beep-beep, you forgot to post the response as monk811, BUSTED SOCK PUPPET FOOL!

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:30 AM

Dumb.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:36 AM |

Dumb is thinking you can do your schtick day in and day out without screwing-up sooner or later, play/monk/beep. Ha ha, BUSTED.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I've never understood why they called QBs noodle-armed. I mean even to be a 3rd string QB in the NFL, don't you have to have some kind of arm strength?

What I like in a QB is completion percentage. Do they throw a catchable ball?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2011 8:12 AM

I agree with the overall sentiment, but did you see Todd Collins play this year? Let's just say he played in 2 games and posted a 5.9 QB rating (yes, 5.9).

Noodle-arm seems appropriate.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

5.9 rating means you at least did something in the game right, right?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Believe it or not, he WON a game. He posted a 6.2 QB rating in the game he won.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

THIS is a noodle-arm!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Interesting find. Reminiscent of the debates we have on the subject.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 9:33 AM


Yeah, only he wasn't saying that a coach's legacy was built on a single player...if anything, the fact that Shanahan has won 2 SBs and Reid has none speaks volumes about Reid's failures since Reid had more advantages than Shanahan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Kind of like the whole Plax thing

plax shot himself with his own gun, because plax was too stupid to put the safety on....not exactly the same thing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse


Plax carrying around a gun in a nightclub/bar in the first place is numb-nuts stupid.

What's he doing that for? Protection?

So let's play it out -

Plax is standing on the street corner trying to wave down a cab after a night of drinks. Some fool scoping him in the club sees it's Plax and decides to rob him on the corner. He pulls out a gun and tells Plax to dump his wallet and jewelry. And so what is Plax's next move? Quick-draw the loaded glock he's got stashed in his waistband and have a good ole-fashion shoot-out on the street corner?

Same lame-ar$ed stupidity that leads to a fist-knife fight on a sidewalk at 3AM outside a Northwest DC nightclub...what kind of scenario could have possible transpired where having that scuffle was over something truly important?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Is this true monk? Are you beep-beep? I am shocked!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I like eating fries, not cooking them.

BTW, we need to ignore the pond scum on here, he won't be getting a response from me, I'm actually going to take sween's advice from yesterday and start ignoring people.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, only he wasn't saying that a coach's legacy was built on a single player...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 9:59 AM

I have never said that. My argument has always been "what has he accomplished lately?"

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Moe

Sadly I don't think the timing quick release qb is shannys calling

He pick off the back foot cutler n dirt ball mcnabb

Don't forget he fancies himself a qb guru

I expect them to take the rawest qb out there so they can try to coach him up

To me that says cam newton, if he's available

Although I'm open to a host of different options at 10

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"Someone was looking at someone else in a way that made them feel "dissed" right? Kind of like the whole Plax thing"


Was he looking in the mirror when he shot himself???

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

No.

He was grabbing at his crotch as his unregistered concealed firearm starting slipping into his underpants. He didn;t have the safety on and shot himself in the thigh. He was bringing the gun into a restaraunt for god knows what reason...maybe Billy the Kid was going to show up.

Anyhow, had he been beefing with himself in the mirror, he might have at least had the wherewithall to shoot the mirror instead of his own leg - would have been far more sensible.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse


BTW, we need to ignore the pond scum on here, he won't be getting a response from me, I'm actually going to take sween's advice from yesterday and start ignoring people.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:00 AM |

You hold yourself in high regards, but what makes you think anyone thinks that highly of you ? You have been exposed as a sock-puppet, fool. It is time to retire your old, feeble act, you immature bucket of crap. Take that little can of crap playaction with you.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse


BTW, we need to ignore the pond scum on here, he won't be getting a response from me, I'm actually going to take sween's advice from yesterday and start ignoring people.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:00 AM |

Sween has nothing to do with this matter, fool boy. You have got to love people that have no response and start to drag other people into the fray. You add nothing to this blog but crap, so leave others out of it, fool boy.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Geez, it's been 10 minutes since the last post. I guess this thread is dead.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse


Coin Toss: Who will be attacking monk811 today?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So beep, explain this screw-up.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Flip

Ur talkin to a guy whos only friends r made up. Maybe his parents told him it was ok baxk in the 50s but now we already kno dude holds a convo withimself to tey to throw us off.

Your a lil late on that. Then again it would be his style to have u as his sock.

So now im probly the idiot telling you to stop talking to yourself

Its like dr jekyl n mr hide except with alot more gayness n a lot less people who actually give a shiz

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

plax shot himself with his own gun, because plax was too stupid to put the safety on....not exactly the same thing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

To take it a step further, wasn't he wearing sweat pants or some kind of loose fitting pants? You don't be a gangsta and stick a gat in the waste of SWEAT PANTS, you idiot!!! Then you'd be just another dumb person waiting to shoot himself.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Flip

Ur talkin to a guy whos only friends r made up.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:20 AM |

I know people on this blog do not like people who tell it like it is. I could care less, you will get the up front truth from me. Don't you think beep-beep's post to playaction reeks of sock puppetry ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Alan, sorry if I had you pegged wrong but I thought you were one of the legions of idiots that made the case that "Shanahan only has 2 rings because of Elway" or that his rings are somehow tarnished because he had a HoF QB. My apologies if that's not true.

And if not, then what the hell have we been arguing about the last few weeks?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse


Alan, sorry if I had you pegged wrong but I thought you were one of the legions of idiots that made the case that "Shanahan only has 2 rings because of Elway" or that his rings are somehow tarnished because he had a HoF QB. My apologies if that's not true.

And if not, then what the hell have we been arguing about the last few weeks?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:28 AM |

brownwood26,

Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I thought you were one of the legions of idiots that made the case that "Shanahan only has 2 rings because of Elway" or that his rings are somehow tarnished because he had a HoF QB. My apologies if that's not true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse


I never understood that criticism of Shanny.

I mean, how many rings does Elway have without Shanahan?

That's what I thought.

Elway wins 2 SBs w/ Shanny and it puts him among the greatest QBs ever, whereas with Shanny it's a mark against him for "only" winning 2 and having to do it "only" with Elway.

Go figure.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Flip

What im sayin is that for a while they have been using each others post to sound cool but its just one guy. We all know that. We just dont care.

Also the elway shanny argument is silly. I thought the idea was to have a franchiss qb n coach who can take you to the SB. Last time I checked there were 0 teams who won a SB without a coach n there was also 0 teams who won without playing someone at qb. So it seems that you cant have one without the other.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"Grim was ultimately the better player, but Jacoby doesn't get enough respect. This doesn't discount what Grimm did, he still deserves to be in the HOF, but Jacoby deserves a place next to him."

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"A lot was our system too. Gibbs revolution was the pulling guard, this was Grimms calling card. that had a significant impact on the game, one of the things HOF voters look for. Jacboy def needs to get their but Grimm deserved the first Hogs honor. Plus Grimm was drafted in the 3rd but he expected to be a first or early second rounder, he said he was always pissed about that and used it."

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 9:29 AM

I really believe that a major reason that Big Jake isn't in the HOF, and, sadly, may never get there is because the image that many of the HOF voters have in their heads is of Jacoby being beaten repeatedly by Lawrence Taylor. The 'Skins-Jints games in the 80s were often nationally-televised games that had serious divisional and playoff ramifications, and, as great as no. 66 was, Taylor gave him fits, as he did to almost every other OT. I agree that Jacoby belongs in the Hall. He was a road grader in the run game, and a good pass blocker, too, just not against LT. And I think that has hurt his HOF chances.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 17, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse


Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM |

I'm thinking they did it together as a team, including a roster of good to great players.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM |

I'm thinking they did it together as a team, including a roster of good to great players.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse


So why did you ask the question to begin with?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,
whenever we have this debate others join in, and frequenly bring up Elway. You have kluged my position ("what has Shanahan done lately?") together with theirs ("what has Shanahan done without Elway?"), which is understandable because Elway is a convenient cut-off for Shanahan's success. I have never said having Elway tarnished Shanahan's accomplishments, only that since Elway (the time period, not the player) Shanahan has done little.

Coin toss: Is there a shelf life on coaching accomplishments?

Many people said the game had passed Joe Gibbs by upon his return. Yet Gibbs guided the Skins to the playoffs twice in his 4 year 2.0 stint and secured a playoff victory against 2 playoff losses.

Similarly, Mike Shanahan's last Super Bowl took place in the 1990s, just like Gibbs.

Gibbs compiled a 2-2 playoff record over 5 seasons since his last Super Bowl.

Shanahan has notched 1-4 playoff record over 11 seasons since his last Super Bowl.

Over the past decade, Reid has accomplished more. That's the bottom line for the post @brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:44 PM

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Theres gotta be a coach n theres gotta be a qb. If we can get a redskins to perform to HoF status who cares. Wins r what matter n thats what weve been lacking.

I donrt care how we get em lets just get em.

Anyone else think our schedule lines up nicely for a winning season possibly

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

He was a road grader in the run game, and a good pass blocker, too, just not against LT. And I think that has hurt his HOF chances.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 17, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, just as you say, how many OT's can say they shut down LT?

When I was typing that original post that was all I could think of was those LT highlights on NFL Network and at least 3 were LT speedrushing Jacoby and beating him to either Theismann or Schroeder.

So maybe the HOF voters do see those same images when they see his name on the list. If anything it made him better playing LT twice a year so it prepared him better for the other good rushers around the league.

What kills me is if you ask 10 people who the best Oline is in history, I bet 9 out of 10 say the Hogs, so why so long to get 1 in, and why should it only be 1???

The only chance fellow Hogs like Jacoby, Lachey, and May have of making it to the HOF is if they get nominated on the Senior Ballet like Hanburger.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Elway is know as one of the greatest college players in history however, he never went to a bowl game and never won any major games. He lost in "the play" game with the band and all that. That was hios last game at Stanford... dosent really solve anything but it does whow that he didnt win big games previous to Shanny.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Theres gotta be a coach n theres gotta be a qb. If we can get a redskins to perform to HoF status who cares. Wins r what matter n thats what weve been lacking.

I donrt care how we get em lets just get em.

Anyone else think our schedule lines up nicely for a winning season possibly

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse


So why did you ask the question to begin with?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:43 AM |

This is the reason why.

I thought you were one of the legions of idiots that made the case that "Shanahan only has 2 rings because of Elway" or that his rings are somehow tarnished because he had a HoF QB. My apologies if that's not true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:28 AM |

Hope that answers your question P1.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Elway wins 2 SBs w/ Shanny and it puts him among the greatest QBs ever, whereas with Shanny it's a mark against him for "only" winning 2 and having to do it "only" with Elway.

Go figure.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:33 AM


Exactly. As if having a HoF QB guarantees championships or something.

How'd that work out for Marino and Shula?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Over the past decade, Reid has accomplished more. That's the bottom line for the post @brownwood26 | February 16, 2011 6:44 PM

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Who cares.

Neither of them has won a SB in the last decade.

If a HC cares about anything else, then they shouldn;t be a HC.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM

Not until Shanny finally got his quick footed zone blocking fast fat boys in place did he or Elway start winning together.
When Elway finally got a "Run Pass Balance" from Shanny's OLine...he was unstoppable.

Shanny's OLine made average RBs and QBs (Plummer) look HOF. And made an already HOF QB (Elway) a 2x SB winner and SB MVP.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The debate is a harder when you think of the different eras.

But ultimately a SB title is a SB title, is a SB title, no matter which era.

I have a hard time believing coaches like Lombardi and Walsh not succeeding in today's NFL.

What Gibbs did was special, and I really do believe that, given a few more years, he could have won 1 more title.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The only chance fellow Hogs like Jacoby, Lachey, and May have of making it to the HOF is if they get nominated on the Senior Ballet like Hanburger.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:46 AM

I'm not going to any show where our beloved Hogs prance around on stage in tights! HOF or not!

BTW...have I ever told you how COOL you sound when you post?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse


Dream on fools, but this coach is past his prime. Allen has shown he is the latest version of Cerrato with his wheeling and dealing draft picks for washed-up players. Danny Boy still runs the show, and the off season drama that is the Redskins is in full bloom. The icing on the cake is beep-beep being exposed as monk811 and playaction. Ha ha

Coin Toss: Who will be attacking monk811 today?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 8:48 AM

Isn't it your turn? I had my turn yesterday, and I can't have another turn for a couple of weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 17, 2011 8:54 AM |

So beep, explain this screw-up.


Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Alan, I see what you're saying about Reid...but I wouldn't start giving him credit until we see what he can do without his (borderline) HoF QB.

So far, he's 0-1 in the playoffs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The only places in the draft you should choose a QB is high in the first round - exceptions not withstanding.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | February 16, 2011 6:30 PM

I'm not sure what the point is of saying "only" and then "exceptions notwithstanding."

The standing exceptions include Aaron Rodgers (#24) and Jay Cutler (#11). The support of the "only high" proposition includes Ryan Leaf.

@beep beep and the Sonia Sotomayor quote ... the American Needle case has since been decided and the NFL lost.

@coin toss btwn Carlos Rogers and Babydaddy Cromartie, toss the coin at Rogers, not Cromartie. Cromartie's apparent value is greater than his actual value due to Revis.

@Leonard Hankerson discussion, somebody who watches Terps football closely, please tell me about Torrey Smith.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Who cares.

Neither of them has won a SB in the last decade.

If a HC cares about anything else, then they shouldn;t be a HC.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:50 AM

There are 32 head coaches and 1 Super Bowl per year.

Seems to me you gotta establish a record of winning some playoff games to have a shot at a Super Bowl.

Or are you suggesting 31 teams just fire their coach every year?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what the point is of saying "only" and then "exceptions notwithstanding."

The standing exceptions include Aaron Rodgers (#24) and Jay Cutler (#11). The support of the "only high" proposition includes Ryan Leaf.


Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse


I saw that too and just laughed. I was going to respond but figured the poster was just drunk.

Anywho, don't forget other notable exceptions such as Matt Schaub, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Ben Roesthlisberger, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, and Matt Hasselbeck.

I think the rule includes peyton manning, eli manning, carson palmer, phillip rivers, matt ryan, and donovan mcnabb. Oh, wait the exceptions outnumber the rule...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Monk/playaction/beep are the toughest/bi cirious/coolest one man show ever

All of the multiple peraonalties have a crush on each other

His institution must have a nice computer lab with late hrs hahha

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:43 AM |

This is the reason why.

I thought you were one of the legions of idiots that made the case that "Shanahan only has 2 rings because of Elway" or that his rings are somehow tarnished because he had a HoF QB. My apologies if that's not true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 10:28 AM |

Hope that answers your question P1.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

No it doesn't.

Brown set out 2 different lines of thought.

1) Shanny only has rings b/c of Elway

2) Shanny's image is tarnished b/c he got them w/ Elway

So which line of thought were you addressing, and what point was your questions supposed to make?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What Gibbs did was special, and I really do believe that, given a few more years, he could have won 1 more title.

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 10:55 AM

Agreed. Outside of Snyder's rookie year as owner, Gibbs is the ONLY coach to post a winning seasons under the Snyder/Vinny clusterfluck. TWICE.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I see we're back to feeding trolls. Ugh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM

Not until Shanny finally got his quick footed zone blocking fast fat boys in place did he or Elway start winning together.
When Elway finally got a "Run Pass Balance" from Shanny's OLine...he was unstoppable.

Shanny's OLine made average RBs and QBs (Plummer) look HOF. And made an already HOF QB (Elway) a 2x SB winner and SB MVP.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse


Exactly.

There was ALOT more to Shanny's SBs than simply riding Elway's coat-tails.

Shanny finally built a team around Elway.

So when people dismiss his SB credentials on account of "he had Elway", it's just an asinine criticism.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM
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Not until Shanny finally got his quick footed zone blocking fast fat boys in place did he or Elway start winning together.
When Elway finally got a "Run Pass Balance" from Shanny's OLine...he was unstoppable.

Shanny's OLine made average RBs and QBs (Plummer) look HOF. And made an already HOF QB (Elway) a 2x SB winner and SB MVP.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 10:54 AM

Interesting to also note, Shanny built a key part of that Denver OLine with the acquisition of a tough, quick footed Guard, with great leadership skills, by the name of Mark Schlereth.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I see we're back to feeding trolls. Ugh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM

My bad...feeding trolls that pop in to stir things up in general is one thing...when they personally attack you its tough to ignore...I'll try better....after this...

brandon = moron

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

1) Shanny only has rings b/c of Elway

2) Shanny's image is tarnished b/c he got them w/ Elway

So which line of thought were you addressing, and what point was your questions supposed to make?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:07 AM

Kind of off topic, but the article about Jake Plummer in SI this month is a real interesting read, esp. about the way Shanahan and Plummer related (or not) when Plummer had successes.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1181772/index.htm

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:50 AM

There are 32 head coaches and 1 Super Bowl per year.

Seems to me you gotta establish a record of winning some playoff games to have a shot at a Super Bowl.

Or are you suggesting 31 teams just fire their coach every year?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse


I didn't say anything about a coach being fired, so I don;t know why you'd think I were suggesting that.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Scamp

Out of the possible first rnd picks who do you take

If newtons there I take him, if hes gone I say no to gabbert n take kerrigan

If von millers there I take him, if not I grab kerrigan, what do we do if all three are gone??

I say that mean aj green dropped n we grab him, if all four lf them r gone id take julio jones.

So my preferences are cam newton, von miller, kerrigan, jones

Thoughts

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Preview regarding clicking the link to the Plummer article ... in the lower right, there are two photo "galleries" of (1) 'best of' swim suit additions and (2) athletes in bathing suits. On the first, be sure to click through till you get to the one of Brooklyn Decker (my first round draft choice). On the second one, feel free to stop after you get to the first one of Steffi Graf in which she appears as a man.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@p1funk - I'm taking your statement to its logical conclusion, because it appears you're completely dismissing the accomplishment of any coach who doesn't win the SB when you say:

Who cares.

Neither of them has won a SB in the last decade.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse


didn't shannon sharp and terrell davis and mark schlereth and...

I think it was a team effort that won 2 SB's for the bronco, including elway and shanahan

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

So my preferences are cam newton, von miller, kerrigan, jones

Thoughts

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:19 AM

Von Miller, Prince Amukamura, Marcel Dareus, Robert Quinn.

QB later.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

On the flip side...if Wade HAD gone to and won the super bowl...like he was supposed to...would he be considered a great coach?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Brandon = moron

Dad is that you??

Haha cmon gayaction im just pokin fun at ur buttbuddiness with your left nut monk.

You guys are both super cool in my book n wanna day I wanna grow up into a master blogger such as yourself

I hope to develop master blogger mind tricks as you use them o mighty one

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think it was a team effort that won 2 SB's for the bronco, including elway and shanahan

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:20 AM

Since when did football become a team sport?

[Kidding obviously ... the only time football is not a team sport is when the kicker misses the winning FG.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

somebody who watches Terps football closely, please tell me about Torrey Smith.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse


He's got the physical tools to make noise at the next level - size (6'1, 200), speed, athleticism. He was hampered by an ankle injury this past year that he played through, so he didn't get to flash his speed as much as I'm sure he would have liked.

He's a fairly polished route-runner (much much more so than a guy like Darius Heyward-Bey) who can work the middle along with deep routes. He's got several plays over 60yards, so he can pop a big one too.

If there's been a knock on him it's that he'll drop passes from time to time.

As the season wore on and he was able to build a rapport w/ Danny O'Brien, he really came on strong the last few games, especially the season finale against NC State - 14 catches, 224 yards, 4TDs.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse


I didn't say anything about a coach being fired, so I don;t know why you'd think I were suggesting that.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:16 AM |

And I didn't say Shanahan won a SB because Elway was his QB, fool. Obviously they needed each other. Why not read too comprehend and not just guess what people post, Shanahan fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I see we're back to feeding trolls. Ugh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not feeding them anymore, I've been good today.

They are feeding each other, kind of a troll cannibalism thing going on, weird....

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Sween

Thats a solid group of first rnd picks

Marcel darues would be solid addition im just not 100% sold that cleatsworth wont be here.

I hope so cuz hes become a cancer but our FO seems even more stubborn now so who knows. I think he starts it here n finishes elsewhere

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse


Since when did football become a team sport?

[Kidding obviously ... the only time football is not a team sport is when the kicker misses the winning FG.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:25 AM |
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gotta snap the ball, hold the ball, and block for the kicker = team

gano better be at fedex practicing daily, cause a short leash is what he has around his neck.

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

didn't shannon sharp and terrell davis and mark schlereth and...

I think it was a team effort that won 2 SB's for the bronco, including elway and shanahan

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaand a little bit of salary cap bending.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to any show where our beloved Hogs prance around on stage in tights! HOF or not!

BTW...have I ever told you how COOL you sound when you post?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, a Hogs ballet wouldn't be so pretty, it would probably be as imbarrassing as Hogs on Ice!

Of course, you tell me that all the time, we share the same brain remember?

We have no life and sit around posting under multiple names, what more can people say about us?

As Eminem says: "I am, whatever you say I am, if I wasn't, then why would I say I am?"

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

didn't shannon sharp and terrell davis and mark schlereth and...

I think it was a team effort that won 2 SB's for the bronco, including elway and shanahan

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaand a little bit of salary cap bending.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 11:33 AM |
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you mean shanahan wasn't upfront with the salary cap numbers ? I guess if you can fudge the numbers and get away with it, or, whatever it takes to win, you do so


Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

And I didn't say Shanahan won a SB because Elway was his QB, fool. Obviously they needed each other. Why not read too comprehend and not just guess what people post, Shanahan fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I asked you twice what point you were trying to make with your question.

...so why not ask a third time.

What point were you trying to make with your question?


Hint: Don't answer by telling me what you were NOT saying.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

you mean shanahan wasn't upfront with the salary cap numbers ? I guess if you can fudge the numbers and get away with it, or, whatever it takes to win, you do so


Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Even if you don't get away with it's still cool. They lost 1 million dollars and a third round draft pick. Who wouldn't risk that for a SB win?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hankerson had over 1100 yards and 13 td's last year with pretty poor QB play. He catches almost everything thrown his way and played great Senior bowl week so I don't see him lasting until round 4 or 5. I'd love him in the 3rd, too bad we don't have a pick in that round.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 17, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Monk

Your probly so sick n tired of being admired that you wish you could just die or be fired.

I dont want you to be dropped from this label tho. Without you man this blog would be a pot with no one to stir it up. Its actually funny reading people responses to what anyone says on here. Sadly im not cool enough or smart to make the sock puppets thing work fof me

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Could Shanahan win those SB without a QB named Elway ?

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Could Elway win a SB without a HC named Shanahan?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 10:35 AM
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Let's break this down for P1. They needed each other. Dead horse buried, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

They lost 1 million dollars and a third round draft pick. Who wouldn't risk that for a SB win?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 11:41 AM

Seems a tad cheaper than the McNabb trade and AH roster bonus.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Sadly im not cool enough or smart to make the sock puppets thing work fof me

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 17, 2011 11:43 AM

Stick with us kid...the SPG has a fine training program.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Torrey Smith:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122501499.html

good article, bit long. Dude def has his head in the right place. for this team that cannot be understated.

when md played WV this year Torrey literally amounted to all of their offense. O'brien got concussed, they had negative ten yds rushing. But this dude had two TDs of over 50 yds i think. Albeit against a freshman who was replacing a possible draft pick CB(brandon Hogan). Still ive been impressed. Not sure he would be a huge difference maker in the league but he has the work ethic to hang.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 17, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, thnx re Torrey Smith.

Any other Terps to be serious about from Maryland? Seems like there are occassionally a few gems in UDFA coming out of local schools who show up for the locals camp. Seems like that was were Heyer came from. In recent years, Howard has had a couple good guys (not the least of which was Antoine Bethea ... SIXTH round to the Colts ... plus Geoffrey Pope)

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm not the smartest man alive, and I admit I make typing mistakes, but some people on here are just SO FAR OFF that it actually gives me a headache trying to not only figure out what word that is cause it's misspelled, but just simply trying to figure out where one sentence ends and one begins.

I mean come on, I don't care if you don't use capital letters, but throw a frickin period in every once in a while.

You can tell that not only are they H.S. dropouts, but very likely failed their GED test.

Mike Jones, you would be the best Editor ever if you could put some kind of grammar and spelling check on here, you would at least save me about $20 a week on the Advil I buy just to make sense of the retards.

That is all......

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

sween, hessone, I think Tom Coughlin would add the case where the punter doesn't kick away from one of the most dangerous return men in the league, in a situation where only a return TD could lose the game for his team.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse


That is all......

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 11:57 AM |
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we hope so

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's break this down for P1. They needed each other. Dead horse buried, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 17, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse


Sure. Great. Thanks for the exchange.

Now I know why everyone up here typically avoids you.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Fcuk Gaspar Gomez (john elway)! And fcuk the fcukin' Diaz brothers (the shanahan led broncos)! Fcuk 'em all! I bury those cockroaches

1 of our 3 super bowls cam against the great elway, he's so greatttt and i could care less about him

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 17, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Shanks? His cut-backs are razor sharp and his speed enables him to knife through the coverage and find the edge.


Sorry, I had to take a stab at it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

There's at least one person who doesn't think we need a new QB:

[Jim] Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

[Dan] Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."


I wouldn't underestimate the power of these statements.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 17, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse


sween, hessone, I think Tom Coughlin would add the case where the punter doesn't kick away from one of the most dangerous return men in the league, in a situation where only a return TD could lose the game for his team.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2011 11:57 AM |
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nate, I agree that you don't punt the ball to jackson, but isn't there punt coverage ? that part of the team is also too blame. . I give the eagle's credit for the td return though.

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

sween, hessone, I think Tom Coughlin would add the case where the punter doesn't kick away from one of the most dangerous return men in the league, in a situation where only a return TD could lose the game for his team.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2011 11:57 AM
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when I saw that run back.. I didnt give a sht about Gints or Eagles.. Just kept thinking.. "we passed on Desean, TWICE, in that draft. "
Vinny, gone but not forgotten.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Top nose tackles

1. Phil Taylor: Baylor (6-4, 340)
When he plays with leverage the guy is an absolute bear to move inside, has the athleticism to play the five techniques as well.

2. Kenrick Ellis: Hampton (6-5, 336)
Possesses good natural strength, pad level and initial quickness, just has some of the field troubles that are a concern.

3. Jerrell Powe: Ole Miss (6-2, 331)
A thick, wide-bodied two down lineman who will likely go higher than his play deems worthy due to supply vs. demand.

4. Marvin Austin: North Carolina (6-2, 313)
More of a 4-3 nose, but possesses natural anchor strength, good athleticism for his size and if the light ever goes on, he can be as good as he wants to be in the NFL.

5. Sione Fua: Stanford (6-2, 307)
Played the nose in Stanford’s 3-4 this year, struggles to find the football, but has an above-average anchor for his size.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I see we're back to feeding trolls. Ugh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM |

Munch on this you dickwad:

scampbell1975 = pandejo

Posted by: ElDrano | February 17, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

when I saw that run back.. I didnt give a sht about Gints or Eagles.. Just kept thinking.. "we passed on Desean, TWICE, in that draft. "
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meant to say, that Round (second).

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse


Brandon Shanks? His cut-backs are razor sharp and his speed enables him to knife through the coverage and find the edge.


Sorry, I had to take a stab at it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:05 PM |
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self absorbed POS. how come you're not n_p_i today ?

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok I'm so bored I'm coming up with my late round draft picks. By the 5th round there's no way to know where guys are gouing to be and we haven't even had the combine yet but here goes anyway.

I believe we have 3 5th rounders, a 6th, and a 7th rounder. I'm not 100% sure on that but I'm also too lazy to fact check so here goes.


5th-Evan Royster RB
5th-Josh Bynes LB
5th-Zach Hurd OG
6th-Chris Culliver FS
7th-Olie Ogbu DE

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I see we're back to feeding trolls. Ugh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2011 11:08 AM |

Munch on this you dickwad:

scampbell1975 = pandejo

Posted by: ElDrano | February 17, 2011 12:09 PM |

Surprised you have computer access at Burger King.

Now, go mop up the restrooms and wipe down tables there Jose.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, thnx re Torrey Smith.

Any other Terps to be serious about from Maryland? Seems like there are occassionally a few gems in UDFA coming out of local schools who show up for the locals camp. Seems like that was were Heyer came from. In recent years, Howard has had a couple good guys (not the least of which was Antoine Bethea ... SIXTH round to the Colts ... plus Geoffrey Pope)

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Alex Wujciak, LB, 6'3/250.

First team all ACC, and among the nation's leaders in tackles.

I don;t think he's a UFA, but he's another prospect.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

we hope $o

SAVE THE WHALES

Posted by: he$$one | February 17, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for chiming in he$$! I feel smarter for just reading it!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Surprised you have computer access at Burger King.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Burger King? No wonder beep doesn't like you hess, you are the rival fry guy!

So what do you do there hess? It's not the salad washer is it?

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice too see we don't discriminate here on RI...and have foreign language mis-spellings as well.

Now PF has me thinking about a flame broiled Whopper from Burger King...thanks.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Just kept thinking.. "we passed on Desean, TWICE, in that draft. "

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 17, 2011 12:08 PM |

But think a little more on this you dipstick. If the Skins had drafted him turds like you would have crucified the FO because they already had a DeSean clone in Tana. And then the chorus would have gotten even louder when a deep go route was called for him and Campbell checked down to his shoelaces.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Fcuk Gaspar Gomez (john elway)! And fcuk the fcukin' Diaz brothers (the shanahan led broncos)! Fcuk 'em all! I bury those cockroaches

Posted by: retroskins14


lls.... nicely done!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for cumming in my mouth he$$! I feel smarter for just eating it!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 12:14 PM |

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

^^^homo ish

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

a few points.

Whitlock is still an idiot. But ...

I woulda put in Jacoby in the HOF over Grimm. Jake had taylor twice a year, then he switched sides and had Reggie White twice a year. Still, Lachey might have been the best of all.

As for mechanics and accuracy. Accuracy is more or less a god-given talent. At least Steve Young thinks that.

I've never been a fan of asking a player to change their mechanics beyond some minor tinkering. But I am a fan of guys getting better with the mechanics they have through practice and discipline. A lot of poorly thrown balls come when guys don't use their best mechanics ... that was the real rap on McNabb. He knew how to throw the ball right, he just didn't do it as often as he needed.

Finally, Shanahan has more than 2 rings ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:13 PM |

Underscore_-hyphen troll dude - pretty lame handle. You should be able to come up with something better than this. Also something a little more orig than a BK slam. That's like so overused.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for cumming in my mouth he$$! I feel smarter for just eating it!

Posted by: monk811 | February 17, 2011 12:14 PM |

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:23 PM

That was odd.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

hessone, my point was that Coughlin in the wake of that runback was screaming at the punter as though he were the only one to blame for the TD return. I don't agree with Coughlin on that. But it's another example of how some people choose to selectively assess credit and blame in a team sport...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2011 12:29 PM |

Dude - how's shti down at the DMV? Still keeping them pencils sharp for the written exam?

Posted by: ElDrano | February 17, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Top five techniques 3-4 DE

1) Cameron Jordan: Cal (6-4, 287)
Can hold the point both inside and out, but it’s his ability to rush the passer that makes him tops in this group.

2) Marcell Dareus: Alabama (6-3, 309)
A naturally powerful lineman with a good anchor and knows how to fend off blocks. Looks like a very solid starting 5-tecnique at the next level.

3) Cameron Heyward: Ohio State (6-5, 288)
A heavy-handed player who finds the football well in the run game and knows how to stack and shed.

4) J.J. Watt: Wisconsin (6-6, 292)
Plays with good leverage for his size, can disengage well on the edge and exhibits a motor that runs non-stop.

5) Adrian Clayborn: Iowa (6-3, 287)
Might be better suited to play in a 43, but he can anchor vs. the run and knows how to shed well enough to definitely get a look as a five-technique.

6) Christian Ballard: Iowa (6-4, 297)
As athletic sideline-to-sideline as any DL in the draft and has the skill set to set the edge and play off blocks.

7) Muhammad Wilkerson: Temple (6-5, 305)
A gifted athlete who still possesses a lot of upside to his game, has an ideal frame for the position.

8) Lawrence Guy: Arizona State (6-5, 300)
Is a natural bender for his size who can play with leverage and work his way off blocks, but needs to continue to improve his ball awareness.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

How many Heisman winning QB's have won a SB? Or even better how many Heisman winners have played in an SB? How many Heisman winners are in the HOF?

So your draft a QB with your pick and what he is going to learn watching Sexy Rexie throw to receivers who shouldnt be starting in the Arena League? If he starts a few games into season the OL sucks and he spned the game running for his life.

Not like its going to get any better when Big Daddy abdicates his HC job to his idiot spawn two years from now.

Redskins second longest episodic program on Tv after the WWE. Bet Vince could do a better job owning the Skins then Danny Boy!

Posted by: sheepherder | February 17, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse


hessone, my point was that Coughlin in the wake of that runback was screaming at the punter as though he were the only one to blame for the TD return. I don't agree with Coughlin on that. But it's another example of how some people choose to selectively assess credit and blame in a team sport...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2011 12:31 PM |
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I hear ya nate. I can't believe that folks think shanahan won his SB's because of elway and elway because of shanahan. it's a dumb ass that makes either one of those statements an argument.

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Bet Vince could do a better job owning the Skins then Danny Boy!

Posted by: sheepherder | February 17, 2011 12:34 PM

Win or lose...I'd probably want my season tickets back.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 17, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

dies, thanks for the updates, curious as to what they run at the combine...change of direction and straight ahead speed...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

AH beep

Posted by: skinswest | February 17, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse


Brandon Shanks? His cut-backs are razor sharp and his speed enables him to knife through the coverage and find the edge.


Sorry, I had to take a stab at it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:05 PM |
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self absorbed POS. how come you're not n_p_i today ?

Posted by: hessone | February 17, 2011 12:11 PM |

I am so happy that you find the time to pose questions specific to my old pen-name. I thought I had mentioned that these names are those of my fantasy football teams and when logging in at home, I sometimes get the default, "No Punt Intended" name.

Still, I am glad you are sweating me you dive ass loser.

Next?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 17, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

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