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Posted at 4:13 PM ET, 02/18/2011

Agent: Brandon Banks released from hospital [updated]

By Mike Jones

Updated 5:55 p.m.

Washington Redskins kick/punt returner Brandon Banks was in the process of getting released from Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington on Friday, according to his agent, after spending the last six seven days recovering from a stab wound to the chest.

James Gould said in a phone interview that his client is doing fine after suffering from a collapsed lung that required a tube to be inserted into Banks' chest.

"The tube was removed from his chest, and his lung is fully inflated," Gould said in a statement issued later in the day by the Redskins. "Brandon should be fully recovered and able to resume offseason training in three to four weeks."

"The tube is out, the lung's inflated, 100 percent recovery," Gould said. "He'll be resuming training in two to four weeks."

Banks and close friend Christopher Nixon were both stabbed at 3 a.m. last Saturday after they got into a fight with Lanham's Jason D. Shorter. Banks was originally expected to be released from Howard University Hospital sometime Sunday, but his left lung, which was nicked by the knife, wouldn't stay inflated on its own.

Banks was transported to Arlington on Wednesday and received additional care from team doctors.

By Mike Jones  | February 18, 2011; 4:13 PM ET
Categories:  Brandon Banks  
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Comments

Its TGIF for BB.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | February 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Banksy doing well.

No more fights Brandon.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 18, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Great news!! Just chickadee check yourself before you wreck yourself, youngin'!!

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hell, Brandon, YOU might be wearin' white before Memorial Day accidentally, then what??Pimps and drug dealers got their own codes, maybe he told his girl, "I'll be wearin' all-white tonight, so you can find me." Be cool, dude..

Thast Carmelo deal, that's what the Wizards need to pull off for gettin' Kevin Durant and Jeff Green..C'mon, Wiz, MAKE IT SO!!!

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm against unscheduled surgeries, especially the kind performed outside a bar at 3AM.

Hope Banks blows it up (so to speak, not literally).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Stay out the club!

Posted by: ElYeah | February 18, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

OJ Atogwe released by the Rams...

reaction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

OJ Atogwe released by the Rams...

reaction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

2-fold reaction.

1. Why was he released?

2. How old is he?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 18, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

29 YR old playmaking FS. My guess is money...In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

My guess is money...In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:34 PM

$8 million roster bonus due February 21. 'Skins could have gone after him last summer when he was a free agent and didn't.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 18, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

29 YR old playmaking FS. My guess is money...In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:34 PM |

He was due an $8million bonus. No way were they gonna pay him. He's decent but not great.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

18 ints in 4 seasons, jeeziz, he sounds like what the docta ordered..

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I think we looked at OJ but the price was too high. I'm sure we'll take another look.

Side note: OJ is Mike Singletary's son in law.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 18, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Not saying we should or shouldn't. He played for Haslett and is a playmaker (ask Portis). Not sure he was "available and we didn't go after him"..

On February 19, 2009, the Rams used their franchise tag on Atogwe. The tag is the non-exclusive franchise which allows other teams to negotiate with Atogwe but if any signed him that team has to give the Rams two first-round picks as compensation and as part of the designation Atogwe will receive a one-year tender of $6.342 million [6]

On July 15, 2009 the Rams signed Atogwe to a one-year, $6.342 million contract.[7] On December 9, Atogwe was placed on Injured Reserve due to a dislocated right shoulder.

In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

On February 18, 2011, Atogwe was released by the Rams

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

29 YR old playmaking FS. My guess is money...In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:34 PM |

He'll be 30 when the season starts, if there is one, and will be looking for the last big payday. He's an ok player not elite. I'd pass as I don't see his play really elevating the defense.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

This from PFT:

It’s still possible Atogwe could end up back in St. Louis. He’s a solid but not outstanding safety, and the Rams gave him a better deal last offseason than any other team when Atogwe was an unrestricted free agent.

Atogwe has the benefit this year of being able to shop around in February, before a potential work stoppage. Last year, he hit the market in the middle of the summer once most teams had filled their needs.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 18, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

He'll be 30 when the season starts, if there is one, and will be looking for the last big payday. He's an ok player not elite. I'd pass as I don't see his play really elevating the defense.

Posted by: TWISI


So, who else you got in mind, TWEEZ?

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

OJ Atogwe released by the Rams...

reaction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:27 PM


Good.

I think we should've made a run at him last season and I say we don't let him pass again. It's rare you get a 2nd bite at that apple, so hopefully Shanahan gets this done.

I realize he's good but not great...but he's a better version of Kareem Moore, he's played for Haslett before, and he's probably not going to be very expensive. There aren't many FAs I'm all that interested in going after, but Atogwe would be a good get IMO.

Ryan Harris, O.J. Atogwe, and Champ Bailey (if he's available). That's a damn good haul if you ask me.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

You want all three brownwood?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, I know Champ is a long shot at best but I still think he can be an elite player for the next 3-5 years (I'm taking a successful move to FS into account). Talking to him wouldn't hurt. As for Atogwe and Harris, those guys have played in our system for our coaches and should fit nicely for not a lot of money. Add Jacoby Jones to that list as well. Those are the kind of pickups we need to be focused on these days, not the big-name/big-money blockbusters.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, I know Champ is a long shot at best....
Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2011 6:50 PM

It could mean anything...but Champ has put his Denver home on the market in the last week.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 18, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

29 YR old playmaking FS. My guess is money...In June 2010 he signed a 5-year contract worth $32 million with the Rams.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 5:34 PM |

He'll be 30 when the season starts, if there is one, and will be looking for the last big payday. He's an ok player not elite. I'd pass as I don't see his play really elevating the defense.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

30+ year old free agent alert!

No. Always no.

And he's not on the list of exceptions which includes Robert Gallery and Santana Moss and that's it.

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

So, who else you got in mind, TWEEZ?

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Ultimately, while the draft isn't deep at FS, I'd think that's where I'd look to the draft because the free agent market is just as week. I'd sign a vet as a stop gap, maybe Eugene Wilson providing competition for Barnes and Harris. I'd look at the 4th or 5th round to a guy like Eric Hagg or Marcus Ghilcrest to develop.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, pfunk...but Atogwe fits the system and will likely come on the cheap (relatively speaking). I'm in full agreement of the spirit of what you're saying, but surely a situation like Atogwe's merits special consideration...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

BW26 I don"t see OJ coming cheap. He has the stats that says he's an elite player. He's going to want to be compensated as such. However, OJ reminds me of D Hall on the field. He'll make some plays, but he's very beatable.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Other possibilites at FS.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/31/1967306/could-the-future-at-fs-already-be-on-the-team

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 7:04 PM

Eric Weddle is an interesting guy on the free agent list. Solid player.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

However, OJ reminds me of D Hall on the field. He'll make some plays, but he's very beatable.

Posted by: TWISI |


But, of all the free safeties available, and there are NONE that really stick out in the draft, wouldn't you admit that this is a free agent that could at least be a solid upgrade over what we have already?? Okay, more of a D.Hall/gambler type, but isn't that big play defense what Haslett is shooting for??

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Brown,

Atogwe just went through a holdout last season b/c he wanted $$ and signed a $6+ million/year deal. I really don't know how "on the cheap" we can expect to sign him.


Diesel,

Thanks for reposting the article. I too believe Barnes should have chance to lose the FS spot.

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Weddle would be nice, but he's gonna cost big-time...He'd be nice, though..

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Re: Champ

"Just say NO to 30+ year old FAs!"

Besides, I'm thinking through the scenario and wondering why the heck Champ would want to come here?

Are we gonna pay him? No.

Can he win a ring here in the next couple years? No.

Does he have some soft-spot for our organization or city? No.

And somehow I don't see sentimental heart-strings toward Shanny overcoming these obstacles.

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

We should draft that culliver kid from south carolina.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 18, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

A guy like Atogwe could probably teach Moore a thing or two about playing FS. Moore was okay last year, but he's still raw and if nothing else, Atogwe could be that on-the-field mentor that lets him take the next step.

Bailey would be nice, but he'll probably want a big payday. Is he worth a big contract? Probably not, but I'm sure Allen could figure something reasonable out. Plus, don't forget Bailey wanted out of Washington once before because he was tired of losing. The team as it stands now is a long way off from being a contender despite the change in attitude that Shanahan brought.

As long as we're talking elite CBs, taking a look at Nnamdi Asomugha couldn't hurt either. I'd say he's even better than Bailey and is a few years younger. I don't know if he wants to go back to the Raiders, but as of right now his contract with them is void and he'll probably hit the open market. He'll want big bucks, but I think he's one of the few guys out there actually worth it.

Posted by: etyb | February 18, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

We should draft that culliver kid from south carolina.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 18, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

What round?

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

frak it's what it would cost to sign OJ that concerns me. I don't think his impact on the defense would be significant enough to warrant the contract he will undoubtedly want.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

If we can trade out of #10 and grab some more picks in the second or third round, here's the DB I'm coveting:

http://nflsoup.com/?p=7769

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Gents,
It's never too early to start tracking Redskins#1.

Let's win the off-season.

Hail!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If we can trade out of #10 and grab some more picks in the second or third round, here's the DB I'm coveting:

http://nflsoup.com/?p=7769

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:30 PM

That's funny. I was just gonna post that Ras is one of the prospect I'd like to grab in the second. Here's hoping the skins trade back in that round and getting more picks. The other is Cam Heyward.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"The tube is out, the lung's inflated, 100 percent recovery," Gould said. "He'll be resuming training in two to four weeks."

Nice use of strike through.
Wonder if he never said it, or just wasn't suppose to be quoted.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the good work Mr Jones!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- Yeah, but OJ has got to be cheaper than 26-year old Pro Bowler Weddle..

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

So he's okay now ... except for the Bowie Knife sticking out of his chest?

Memo to the Skins: pay this (alleged/possible/probable) thug's doctor bill and send him on his way. Maybe with a ticket to Turkey to visit role model A. Iverson.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 18, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- Yeah, but OJ has got to be cheaper than 26-year old Pro Bowler Weddle..

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 7:52 PM

That could be true, especially after the contract OJ signed last year. However, Weedle is entering his prime, while OJ is exiting his. I think teams know what they are getting with OJ, while Weedle's still growing. Therefore, if you're going to pay for an elite talent at that position, sign the player more likely to play like one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Bueno, TWISI..Hope we sign him..

Slow up here, so I'm going to post an interesting Right-wing libertarian article on the new budget-

http://www.infowars.com/obama%e2%80%99s-2012-budget-a-tool-of-class-war/

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

That could be true, especially after the contract OJ signed last year. However, Weedle is entering his prime, while OJ is exiting his. I think teams know what they are getting with OJ, while Weedle's still growing. Therefore, if you're going to pay for an elite talent at that position, sign the player more likely to play like one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 8:33 PM |

I'm not sure I follow you here. If you're saying sign Otogwe over Weddle then you are just making the same mistakes that this damn team has made for years now. Part of the problem we have now is we always went for the older, more experienced guy, and now they're sucking us dry for no performance. Only exceptions were Blloyd and Arch Deluxe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

WHAT TO DO WITH ALBERT? WASHINGTON EDITORS

You're kidding, right?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

No collective bargaining agreement, and no 2011 season. See WISCONSIN, OHIO, and other strong union states.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

gL,
I don't think they're kidding.

What would you do?

As for me, I'd bet that either AH or DM will be here next year taking up space. Yea, I know.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 18, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

No collective bargaining agreement, and no 2011 season. See WISCONSIN, OHIO, and other strong union states.

Posted by: glawrence00


People and animals have formed gangs and tribes to survive since forever..We'd be reduced to slaves without unions. GUERRE-ON_TEE...

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

People and animals have formed gangs and tribes to survive since forever..We'd be reduced to slaves without unions. GUERRE-ON_TEE...

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 9:16 PM |

You should stick to football because when you go political you show how stupid you can be. There's a reason that union memberships are at an all time low.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Read that article by that Reagan Treasury guy Roberts, scamp, if you have an open mind..

Frankly, though, the rich driving the United States into the ground is a precursor for World War 3..So lets enjoy the moment, and cheer the Skins..

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Look frak, I'm all with you on the Skins so let's leave it at that. I have read plenty of my fellow GT'er in the past. Enough to know he is far from right wing. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just cause he worked for Reagan for a year that he's a Republican. The guy is a hack and takes shots at everyone. Some times he's right but most of the time he's a highly intelligent conspiracy theorist. There's a reason he no longer writes columns for credible outlets such as The Wall Street Journal and BusinessWeek and now gets published at places like infowars.com. I will say this, he's right about Bush being a trainwreck of a President. That's not a hard one to peg though. A blind monkey can see that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Now come on and get this CBA so we can get to our best time of the year...offseason Skins Victory!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

No, he is Right-wing, just not standard issue Corporate-Elite-Bl*wj*b Republican..

I like the idea of trading with the Broncos for their 3-4 players, sending them our 4-3 players..Any other teams switching we can deal with??

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

No, he is Right-wing, just not standard issue Corporate-Elite-Bl*wj*b Republican..

I like the idea of trading with the Broncos for their 3-4 players, sending them our 4-3 players..Any other teams switching we can deal with??

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 9:55 PM

No Republican takes shots at defense spending frak. Although he was taking plenty of shots at Socialist Elitist rimjob Democrats.

I don't know, are there any other teams switching from 3-4 to 4-3? It's not a bad idea. Can't be too much worse than what we have.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Sh*t, Shanahan had a 4-3 in Denver for 14 years..So, they hired Haslett to implement a 3-4, with all our 4-3 guys???? I tell ya, this is a frustrating team to be a fanatic for, still waiting for the consistency..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e5e9f8/article/fox-confirms-broncos-will-shift-back-to-43-defense

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Sh*t, Shanahan had a 4-3 in Denver for 14 years..So, they hired Haslett to implement a 3-4, with all our 4-3 guys???? I tell ya, this is a frustrating team to be a fanatic for, still waiting for the consistency..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e5e9f8/article/fox-confirms-broncos-will-shift-back-to-43-defense

Posted by: frak | February 18, 2011 10:18 PM

So who do we have they might want? Only guys I can think of are Rocky, Carter (both of which will be FA), Hayney and Blades. Daniels is too old. Maybe Golston? Jackson? Jarmon?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see BB is (hopefully) recovering but two disturbing questions remain:

1) why did his agent lie to the public about the extent of his injury?;
2) why is the alleged perp being so lightly charged?

Posted by: ajlerner1 | February 18, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Bueno, TWISI..Hope we sign him..

Slow up here, so I'm going to post an interesting Right-wing libertarian article on the new budget-

http://www.infowars.com/obama%e2%80%99s-2012-budget-a-tool-of-class-war/

Posted by: frak

Frak I read your article and I think that scamp is right about you.

As for OJ, he may be a cost-efficient "stop gap." Not sure how much he is gonna want, but depending on the new CBA, there is likely to be a bumper FA crop this year so Im not sure whether we should strike now or wait until the FA picture starts to develop; BA will likely wait. It occurs to me that OJ may be a transitional player for us (over the next two years) while we develop K moore or pick up a rookie in the draft.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 18, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Now the skins should cut him for being a dd um B a ss.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 18, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

That could be true, especially after the contract OJ signed last year. However, Weedle is entering his prime, while OJ is exiting his. I think teams know what they are getting with OJ, while Weedle's still growing. Therefore, if you're going to pay for an elite talent at that position, sign the player more likely to play like one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 8:33 PM |

I'm not sure I follow you here. If you're saying sign Otogwe over Weddle then you are just making the same mistakes that this damn team has made for years now. Part of the problem we have now is we always went for the older, more experienced guy, and now they're sucking us dry for no performance. Only exceptions were Blloyd and Arch Deluxe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 8:50 PM |

I'm not advocating for Otogwe.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not advocating for Otogwe.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:08 PM |

OK

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

NFL draft rumors

Rumors, notes and buzz concerning the 2011 NFL draft.

Wes Bunting

• The major concern in scouting circles on Villanova OL Ben Ijalana isn’t that he’s making the jump from the I-AA level, but his overall passive demeanor that sticks out on tape at times.

• One guy a lot of scouts have identified to me as the prospect who is most likely to get over drafted is Boise State wide out Titus Young. Saying he could go as early as late one.

• Speaking of vertical threats there is no real consensus on Maryland WR Torrey Smith. Everyone loves his speed, but there are a lot of doubts about him developing into a polished NFL starter.

• I can’t find any NFL scout to tell me they love Colorado OT Nate Solder as a prospect, they all say he’s talented, but no one says they love him.

• The same can be said for Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert, haven’t talked to any scout who had convictions in giving the guy a first round grade.

• The more teams I talk with the less I get the feeling that any top tier offensive tackle prospects are going to make it through the first round. I keep hearing they will be all likely be gone by the time the mid/late 20’s roll around.

• However, there is growing skepticism from some NFL team sources that a couple of the better pass rushers could be where the value falls at the end of the first round.

• One offensive lineman that has a couple of teams interested in the second/third round range is Auburn OT Lee Ziemba. Hearing he’s getting a lot of consideration as a potential starting right tackle in the NFL.

• The hot “developmental” offensive tackle I keep hearing about is Virginia Union’s David Mims. Could possibly come off the board in the same range as Ramon Harewood last season.

• There are growing concerns in draft circles about where Purdue DE Ryan Kerrigan can play in the NFL. He doesn’t look fluid enough to play in space and lacks the anchor to hold up as a down defensive end. Also, a lot of sources have also said he’s a pretty “blah” athlete and isn’t going to test well at the NFL Combine.

• Heard the first Allen Bailey/Vernon Gholston comparison this past week from an NFL scout.

• Talked to a scout earlier in the year that said NFL officials will be turned off by LSU DT Drake Nevis when they finally see how small he is up close.

• Baylor DT Phil Taylor is the one prospect I’m hearing could be the guy who gets drafted a lot higher than most assume. With his combination or size and athleticism paired with the need/lack of 3-4 nose tackles in this year’s draft, hearing it’s possible a team could end up reaching for him in the top-15.

• Finally, every scout I’ve talked with does not think there is any “proof in the pudding” that Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick is a potential first round pick. Citing that there is just too much work to be done. However, I am hearing the second round is a distinct possibility.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- Wes Bunting is one of the few guys I value over Mayock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 18, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton or have Haynesworth with etoh sweats sit on your face after eating 23 Mcchicken sandwich. Either way the Redskins make everything smelly runny poop.


Brandon Banks aint nobody. He like that little cat from KC that everyone has forgotten. He cant even touch Ricky Ervins jock.
Cut him and Cooley.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 18, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 I've been following Wes for the first time this year. His #1 QB is Ponder which is interesting, given that Ponder has a second round grade.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

well at least he has the word ass in his handle...I see we have the first moron visit of the evening^

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 I've been following Wes for the first time this year. His #1 QB is Ponder which is interesting, given that Ponder has a second round grade.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:46 PM

...and he looked atrocious in his bowl game

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2011 11:46 PM

...and he looked atrocious in his bowl game

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 18, 2011 11:53 PM

Yeah that game was an ugly one for him. I did think his play in the Senior Bowl was solid.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah that game was an ugly one for him. I did think his play in the Senior Bowl was solid.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 12:02 AM

I think he was a little hurt up in the bowl game. I haven't seen him besides that. I really have no interest in watching any team from florida

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

All this FA talk when can we sign people a
Ready

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 19, 2011 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Ponder= Great Wonderlic.

Running joke in my office: He couldnt beat VY in the wonderlic. Which is code for Fing STUPID. How do you cut an 8. AN EIGHT!!!!!!!!

Have an FSU fan in the group, he doesn't pimp him, but after having discussed Ponder with him, I am very intrigued. Kid is very, very smart and very accurate. Which IMO is the PRIMARY talent required of SUPERIOR NFL QB play. The physical skills must simply be good enough... not the best. Brady and Manning are so good because they are always the smartest guys on the field. Next most important is accuracy.

This is why Locker and Clausen leave teams wanting... they are average intelligence.

Ponder will be there in 2nd IF Redskins decide to get another Orakpo type at 10. Or whatever else is there not named Newton or Gabbert. Both would be mistakes at ten IMO.

IF, and I cede its a BIG IF, Ponder's arm strength is good enough, I say grab him. Smart, accurrate, great intangibles ie leadership, competitiveness, dedication to the game a la Brady Manning, Brees.

Ponder was battling an elbow all year. In 2009, his ball was much quicker and livelier. Is the elbow better for good, or is he damaged goods forever??

Answer the arm questin favorably, and I think the best move would be to take guaranteed stud at 10(most likely defensive DE/LB Orakpo clone type), trade the 2nd back for another second plus another pick. Depending on how far back you go, grab Ponder and then an Interior Olineman or a LB.

http://nflmocks.com/2011/01/31/2011-nfl-draft-scouting-report-christian-ponder-fsu/

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 19, 2011 2:12 AM | Report abuse

We sign ATOGWE? I would, we need help there, and we 'missed out' on BERRY last season. Of course, we got TRENT WILLIAMS instead which was another priority. You know there's so many leaky holes in the REDSKINS ship of state it really doesn't matter does it?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 5:23 AM | Report abuse

With two decent picks we can't afford a q-back grab this year......IMHO of course. Better to take a TYROD TAYLOR in the fifth as a back-up to GROSSMAN.

Changing to a 3-4 has destroyed the defense. We almost need an entire make-over there personnel-wise. Better to take a NT and O-lineman one-two this year. Sign MOSS and grab ATOGWE [he can't be much worse than MOORE]. Somebody needs HALL's back. He just can't stay with the big dogs on a fly pattern.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 5:41 AM | Report abuse

With two decent picks we can't afford a q-back grab this year......IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 5:41 AM

The single biggest need on this team is a quarterback. If the right guy is there, then we can't afford not to take him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Atogwe:
1. Haslett draft choice
2. Tagged twice, once with a broken shoulder bone (don't remember which)
3. BALL HAWK
4. FAST
5. Doesn't get burned deep (or, if he does, its the one that gets away ... every has em)
6. American-African ... big work ethic, high character
7. 30 is not too old, not a stopgap. Sharper in New Orleanse was stop gap.
8. At the beginning of the season, safety was as deep as TE as roster spot. End of the season, Macho Harris was getting playing time. Turns out our depth was only strong safeties to jam the box and we needed to move a corner to FS.
9. Sign Atogwe to 4 year deal.
10. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The single biggest need on this team is a quarterback. If the right guy is there, then we can't afford not to take him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 7:03 AM

I agree. If there's a lockout and the draft happens before free agency, then it becomes more important for teams to draft for need rather than BPA, all things considered. I say this because a more conservative approach under this scenario is to draft as if there may not be a free agent period this offseason.

dcsween signing OJ would be a similar to the moves this organizatin has done in the past. Now he could be the next LBF of free agents, but I'd rather not find that out.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

6. American-African ... big work ethic, high character.

?

Posted by: tomass169 | February 19, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

6. American-African ... big work ethic, high character.

?

Posted by: tomass169 | February 19, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Thats suppose to sarcasm, right? Lazy and in jail is more like it.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 19, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse


With two decent picks we can't afford a q-back grab this year......IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 5:41 AM

The single biggest need on this team is a quarterback. If the right guy is there, then we can't afford not to take him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 7:03 AM
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The problem with that is the "right guy" decided to stay in school for another year. This draft shouldn't even be about quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The problem with that is the "right guy" decided to stay in school for another year. This draft shouldn't even be about quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:26 AM

You don't know who the right guy is and neither do I. We're not competent to judge. And even if we wait for him next year, we're not having the #1 pick in the draft to take him.

If the Shanahans see a guy they like in the first or second round, they should take him and not sit behind a platitude like "it shouldn't be about quarterback." It's about taking advantage of your opportunities when they come along.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Atogwe:
1. Haslett draft choice
2. Tagged twice, once with a broken shoulder bone (don't remember which)
3. BALL HAWK
4. FAST
5. Doesn't get burned deep (or, if he does, its the one that gets away ... every has em)
6. American-African ... big work ethic, high character
7. 30 is not too old, not a stopgap. Sharper in New Orleanse was stop gap.
8. At the beginning of the season, safety was as deep as TE as roster spot. End of the season, Macho Harris was getting playing time. Turns out our depth was only strong safeties to jam the box and we needed to move a corner to FS.
9. Sign Atogwe to 4 year deal.
10. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 8:38 AM
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D. Hall's gambling makes it essential that the Redskins have a free safety with real speed - a guy that can play deep centerfield and keep the deep passes from becoming touchdowns. I don't think Atogwe is the answer. Barnes could be, but I would really, really like to see him put on some muscle this offseason.

I agree the Redskins have a bunch of strong safeties and not much as far as free safeties. I like Doughty's special teams play and I think they need to keep him. Horton is looking more to me like a one year wonder. Macho Harris was just a warm body because they ran out of other warm bodies.

Let me throw in one more possible scenario: Say the Redskins decide to sign Champ Bailey. Bailey has said he would move to safety to prolong his career. I think this could be a really good solution for Washington. They could move Barnes back to corner and focus on other areas of need in the draft/free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The problem with that is the "right guy" decided to stay in school for another year. This draft shouldn't even be about quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:26 AM

Last year at this time, most on this board was saying not to draft because three qbs Luck, Locker, Keenum were present better prospects than Bradford, Clausen, McCoy. As we know, Luck stayed in school, Locker's play stagnated, and Keeum was injured all year and returned to school. My point is, that if there's a qb in this draft that fits with what the team is looking for, then draft him. Even if it may take a year or two for that guy to develop. Ya just don't know what will happen in future drafts to address this team's #1 priority.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse


It's about taking advantage of your opportunities when they come along.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 9:30 AM |
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now is the opportunity to build at the line of scrimmage, something that hasn't happened here in years. last year was a start with the o-line, but the d-line needs help badly, and we're not thru with the o-line. QB can wait

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The problem with that is the "right guy" decided to stay in school for another year. This draft shouldn't even be about quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:26 AM

You don't know who the right guy is and neither do I. We're not competent to judge. And even if we wait for him next year, we're not having the #1 pick in the draft to take him.

If the Shanahans see a guy they like in the first or second round, they should take him and not sit behind a platitude like "it shouldn't be about quarterback." It's about taking advantage of your opportunities when they come along.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 9:30 AM
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And the news flash today is the sky is still blue and there is still unrest in the Middle East. Yes, if the Shanahans have wood for a quarterback they are going to take him.

I am saying the difference between guys that will be around after the tenth pick is not that significant and they may have less ability than some of the guys who will be available in free agency. They are all gambles. Meanwhile there are surer picks at other positions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Let me throw in one more possible scenario: Say the Redskins decide to sign Champ Bailey. Bailey has said he would move to safety to prolong his career. I think this could be a really good solution for Washington. They could move Barnes back to corner and focus on other areas of need in the draft/free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:40 AM

I thought about thhis possibility too. However, just reading about his negotiations with Denver, Baily is looking to be paid at the very least $10 million/year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

So riddle me this. How phony baloney is all this mock draft shti from dicks like Mel Kiper Jr? Ain't nothing happened since the Senior Moment bowl which was ages ago and all these so-called draft experts are changing their picks faster than Fatso can get arrested. This is what the Melster said about his 2.0: "For my second mock of the year, the biggest attention-getter will be the rise of Cam Newton, who now is going within the first five picks. After that, there is a ton of movement, ...". So a shtoob is supposed to pay $5/mo to be an ESPN Insider to have the privilege of watching Melzo diddle with his draft picks? Christ on a crutch!

Posted by: PsyOps | February 19, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Let me throw in one more possible scenario: Say the Redskins decide to sign Champ Bailey. Bailey has said he would move to safety to prolong his career. I think this could be a really good solution for Washington. They could move Barnes back to corner and focus on other areas of need in the draft/free agency.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 9:40 AM

I thought about thhis possibility too. However, just reading about his negotiations with Denver, Baily is looking to be paid at the very least $10 million/year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 9:48 AM
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I had not heard that. I don't think the Redskins are willing to pay that kind of money. Frankly, I don't think Denver will pay that, either.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

now is the opportunity to build at the line of scrimmage, something that hasn't happened here in years. last year was a start with the o-line, but the d-line needs help badly, and we're not thru with the o-line. QB can wait

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 9:42 AM

There are plenty of linemen available in free agency and there are no franchise QBs in free agency. If you can find one in the draft you take him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I read this article about the other Mel, Gibson variety, in Vanity Fair. Jesus. Talk about a hater. Gibson makes the haters on RI look like amachoors. In the article it explains how he is an anti-semite, a misoginist, a racist, a homophobe. You know how some dudes set out to scale all the highest mountains in the world? It looks like Gibson has undertaken such program for hating. The only peak left for him to scale is the Latino peak. Look for him to be getting drunk soon and go on a rant about his landscapers. If he wants inspiration there is this from RI's own P_F:

Hey Paco, you're an idiot. Oops, I should have said idiota!

... go back to detailing my car Pepe.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 19, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I think we'll try to move McNabb to the Vikes for a 2 or 3..Haynesworth should fetch us a 4 or 5, and Carter might land a 3 from the Broncos or other 4-3..This should give us the leverage to take Von Miller or Phil Taylor at 10, and then trade up and take Kaepernick or Pouncey..That would be a good Day One in my view..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Atogwe just went through a holdout last season b/c he wanted $$ and signed a $6+ million/year deal. I really don't know how "on the cheap" we can expect to sign him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 18, 2011 7:18 PM


Not true...he was franchised, couldn't agree to a long-term deal, and the Rams pulled the franchise tag and let him test the FA waters. Dude already learned the hard way the market for his services ain't what he thought it would be. A solid-but-unspectacular 2010 season ain't gonna change that.

I'm obviously not saying you bet the farm he's gonna be Darren Sharper circa 2009, just sayin' he's got experience in this defense, with this coach (Haslett), and fits a need that probably won't get filled in the draft. FOR THE RIGHT PRICE, I think he's a good pick up.

Sween, correct me if I'm wrong here....I think when you said "American-African ... big work ethic, high character" you weren't referring to the watered down, misplaced USA version of the term "African-American" but referring to the fact that he's of direct Nigerian decent and thus comes from a more stringent, hard-working background. Still probably not worth mentioning, but not nearly as bad as some up here thought it sounded...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 19, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Frak I read your article and I think that scamp is right about you."

It'd be nice to just play the game at the table and not worry about bank..The problem is, bank is run by a dude that is half Don Corleone and half Adolf Hitler, with cards up his sleeves, and he's a professional card-counter..If I assume the aspect of a cynic, then please pardon my Tyrolean..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse


frak

easy on the hitler reference dude. i don't think you can compare most folks to him and be taken serious nowadays. just sayin'

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Out just in time to hit the clubs.

Hope not.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 19, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"....It's about taking advantage of your opportunities when they come along...."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

God knows that's the truth, and grabbing the first q-back you can is not the way to build a championship team. Build up the line play first because you're gonna' be a top ten picker the next season anyway.

Then get the difference maker at q-back the following season. You saw what grabbing at q-back straws did for us last season. Desperation is not the way to go here.

And quit throwing away our draft picks. You can't build a championship team with other people's cast-offs and retreads.

There are no q-backs in this draft with the I.Q. and physical talents to overwhelm the NFL. They need a backup QB. PAT DEVLIN or TYROD TAYLOR would be my choice, and either can probably be had in the fifth round or later.

Sorry beep-beep, I ain't buying what you're selling. Not my style. You may be right in the end, but I haven't seen that philosophy work well over the past eleven years since SNYDER took over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Again, the draft for us shapes up like this early on:

-round 1: Phil Taylor

-round 2: Christian Ponder

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

At this point, the more you look at this draft the more I'm starting to see the player with the potential elite talent that should be there at #10 is Julio Jones. Will the FO go the BPA route and draft Julio? The Skins have been looking for a #1 WR for years. Now there are certainly teams like the Pats and Ravens that will be looking for elite talent at position and could possibly to trade partners, but will they want to move all the way up to #10?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Sween, correct me if I'm wrong here....I think when you said "American-African ... big work ethic, high character" you weren't referring to the watered down, misplaced USA version of the term "African-American" but referring to the fact that he's of direct Nigerian decent and thus comes from a more stringent, hard-working background. Still probably not worth mentioning, but not nearly as bad as some up here thought it sounded...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 19, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Second. That's the way I took it. Although the comment did stick out at first. But really who gives a shyt. Color ain't where it's at. He can be SAMOAN or CHINESE for all I care. Can the guy ball?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Uhh, hate to drool in your blueberry cobbler, hessone, but Hitler was the creation of Averill Harriman (a jewish banker!!) and one Prescott Bush..Its an old pattern for these Warmachine dudes, trash the economy and public sector to lay the groundwork for war..JPMorgan and Co. successfully wrecked the US economy in 1905, 1929, and 2007, and bought up the wreckage at firesale prices (foreclosures, bankrupt businesses, etc.)..The first two led to World War- with the huge investment in our massive military, and an aging nuclear weapons stockpile, constant aggressive posturing by our military, all signs point to a repeat of history...These old Rich Elite dogs up to there old tricks..

I wouldn't mind spending a 5 on Dalton or somebody, but there is a deep hunger for quarterbacks this year (which is why I think a top d-lineman is going to land in our lap at 10, like Orakpo did), and most will be gone..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Do you really need a dominate o-line or d-line?

Defensive line

The teams with the best offensive lines lost in the playoffs to teams with great defensive front 7s.

Let's add to our front 7.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

At this point, the more you look at this draft the more I'm starting to see the player with the potential elite talent that should be there at #10 is Julio Jones. Will the FO go the BPA route and draft Julio? The Skins have been looking for a #1 WR for years. Now there are certainly teams like the Pats and Ravens that will be looking for elite talent at position and could possibly to trade partners, but will they want to move all the way up to #10?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

At this point, the more you look at this draft the more I'm starting to see the player with the potential elite talent that should be there at #10 is Julio Jones. Will the FO go the BPA route and draft Julio? The Skins have been looking for a #1 WR for years. Now there are certainly teams like the Pats and Ravens that will be looking for elite talent at position and could possibly to trade partners, but will they want to move all the way up to #10?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Great skill position need, but I would stay the course of building a championship club by drafting NT, O-line one-two, provided of course there are difference makers at those two slots.

If not than a WR, and a re-sign of MOSS would be good. Say on second thought, don't we already have KELLY on the squad? No worries man. We're golden at the wide-out slots. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'd be down with taylor and ponder. I've followed ponder for a couple years now and to me he's the best qb in the draft for us. Phil taylor will not get past the chiefs in round 1 so if we want him we will have to take him high in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 19, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey Paco, you're an idiot. Oops, I should have said idiota!

... go back to detailing my car Pepe.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 19, 2011 10:30 AM

I could give a rat's tail about them Hollywood anals--Sheen, Lohan, etc..

As for P_F, he doesn't even know that Pepe is banging his old lady.

Now you know where the word "Sancho" comes from...your vieja getting banged by the gardener.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 19, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Jones at 10 is a waste.

Wide receivers are a dime a dozen.

We can add two low cost FAs wide outs and add an undrafted kid to complete our group.

What we need is harder to find: an elite quarterback.

An elite quarterback makes average receivers look good.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Again, the draft for us shapes up like this early on:

-round 1: Phil Taylor

-round 2: Christian Ponder

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 11:27 AM

Taylor in the 20's...yes; at #10 no.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, that's what I mean. My dream team would be packed with first and second generation kids of parents with African passports. Atogwe, Asomugha, Okoye, Orakpo, Ndukwe, and in this draft, Amukamura. I'm missing some ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

What we need is harder to find: an elite quarterback.

An elite quarterback makes average receivers look good.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 11:46 AM

We've been on that quest far too long. We need to build the rest of the team.

Rich Gannon left the Skins and played in a SB in 2003. Brad Johnson lef the Skins a won a SB in 2003. McNabb and Sexy Rexy played in SBs and then came to the Skins.

Maybe it's not all about the QBs, it's about the multiple holes everywhere else. Start with the fat boys on both lines.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

'Watered-down' African American?

There is no such thing as a pure race.

White Europeans themselves are a blend of various ethnicities.

We are all mixed-raced.

It's just that some of us are mixed up about race, and should keep our confusion to ourselves.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Now the skins should cut him for being a dd um B a ss.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 18, 2011 11:07 PM

A stutterer should not call someone a dumb ass, it's like a pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: abxinc | February 19, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Taylor looked the total monster Senior Bowl week, so 10 isn't a reach for him..We already HAVE Christian Ponder in one Rex Grossman- Heisman Trophy runner-up from Florida, selected 22nd overall..Trade up and get either Kaepernick, Ponder or a needed defender..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

er, Trade up for Pouncey, not Ponder ("And this your brain on eggs.")

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Rich Gannon left the Skins and played in a SB in 2003. Brad Johnson lef the Skins a won a SB in 2003. McNabb and Sexy Rexy played in SBs and then came to the Skins.

Maybe it's not all about the QBs, it's about the multiple holes everywhere else. Start with the fat boys on both lines.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 11:57 AM

Patrick Ramsey left the 'Skins and did nothing. Jason Campbell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Mark Brunell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Chase Daniels left the 'Skins and did nothing.

Maybe it is about the QBs. Look, if you have a chance in this draft to grab someone who can start at QB for 10 years, you take the guy. You don't "start with the fat boys" if a franchise QB is there. You take whatever opportunity the draft gives you, not hide behind some "fat boy" "save the whale" cliche.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who'd take a 1-4 Super Bowl record from the quarterbacks you list.

And the comparisons don't add up as both McNabb and Johnson were elite type players the year their teams where in the championship game.

The last game manager type quarterback to wim a Super Bowl was Trent Dilfer: and he was a first round pick, too.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Taylor looked the total monster Senior Bowl week, so 10 isn't a reach for him..We already HAVE Christian Ponder in one Rex Grossman- Heisman Trophy runner-up from Florida, selected 22nd overall..Trade up and get either Kaepernick, Ponder or a needed defender..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:04 PM

Shooting up 30-40 spots based on one college all star game will be reaching out of need in my book. The NFL is littered with busts from the over drafted DL prospect.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it is about the QBs. Look, if you have a chance in this draft to grab someone who can start at QB for 10 years, you take the guy. You don't "start with the fat boys" if a franchise QB is there. You take whatever opportunity the draft gives you, not hide behind some "fat boy" "save the whale" cliche.

Posted by: beep-beep


Yeah, but if your a perrenial loser, then, like the Nets russkie owner, why not bet the house on Carmelo?? I say this year , we load up on Godzillas, then next year, bet the lower forty to obtaid Luck..If he's Shanny's perfect player, then we should seriously stretch to reach for him..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, it wasn't just the game, he was dominant against top talent all week..And he has solid gamevid from Baylor and great stats..

Let's see whats up at the combine..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse


frak

you're one paranoid dude.

no one, repeat, no one compares to hitler and his deeds, no one.

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"The NFL is littered with busts from the over drafted DL prospect"


The NFL is littered with draft busts from every position...But so is the Hall Of Fame..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I think your opinion of Otogwe is too high. He is a good player, he is a ball hawk. But he has his faults. He is started to get those nagging injuries that near 30 year olds start to get. Granted 30 is NOT old for a safety so age isn't the major concern here. All in all he is definitely better than what we have and not completely against signing him but I would prefer (as usual) to get younger across the board if we have the opportunity but if not, he'll do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Look, if you have a chance in this draft to grab someone who can start at QB for 10 years, you take the guy. You don't "start with the fat boys" if a franchise QB is there. You take whatever opportunity the draft gives you, not hide behind some "fat boy" "save the whale" cliche.Posted by: beep-beep"

Fair enough, but 'don't pass up a QB who has a chance to start for 10 years' is every bit as much a cliche as anything else. There may well be no QB in that category. We've heard the praise, but we shouldn't dismiss the flaws, such as:

Jake Locker: wonderful passer from anywhere EXCEPT the pocket

Ryan Mallett: outstanding whenever there's no pass rush

Cam Newton: I keep trying not to see Vince Young...

Blaine Gabbert: if you can't make up your mind between Newton and Mallett, you can draft Gabbert.

Not to say somebody won't take a flyer on these guys (they drafted Sam Bradford off an injury season), but there's not a solid top ten candidate in the bunch. There may be a terrific QB out there, but who'd want to invest that much cash in one of those guys?

There are some solid players who would be top ten in most drafts, but they're not QBs. That's what Andrew Luck did to this draft.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If he's Shanny's perfect player, then we should seriously stretch to reach for him..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:20 PM

Shanahan is not so stupid as to view tape of a college junior and label him "the perfect player." He's not so stupid as to label anyone "the perfect player." That only happens on Redskins Insider and other fan message boards. Last year everyone's "perfect player" was Locker. This year? A guy who's coming out next year. And next year?

The draft gives you opportunities and the way you do well is by taking advantage of them. If Shanahan sees a franchise QB, then he should pick him, not sit around and say "oh, I'm loading up on Godzillas this year."

You can get "Godzillas" in free agency. There aren't many franchise QBs in free agency. Drew Brees was the last one, and he was so risky that only one club in the league was willing to take a chance on him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

My unfair and lazy stereotype about the outstanding American-Africans is that their parents probably came to the USA for post-graduate education, value education and demand effort and hard work from their kids (like maybe even no TV), and that their kids model their parentsm life choices. Both Atogwe and Asomugha were tagged twice and never b!tched a word about it to the media about not getting a long term deal, instead recognizing that the CBA says what it says and that meant they "only" got what they were entitled to .. a ton of money.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse


The draft gives you opportunities and the way you do well is by taking advantage of them. If Shanahan sees a franchise QB, then he should pick him, not sit around and say "oh, I'm loading up on Godzillas this year."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:32 PM |
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i agree we should draft a QB, but not this year. our needs are at the line of scrimmage.

this one is just for you beep,

SAVE THE WHALES !

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who'd take a 1-4 Super Bowl record from the quarterbacks you list.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:12 PM

That's 4 SBs since 2003, 2 by QBs we let go. For a team that hasn't been there in 20 years, I'd take a 1-3 SB record in this decade.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"no one, repeat, no one compares to hitler and his deeds, no one."

Hitler was enacting his revenge on the Jewish financiers (and Prescott) that created WW 1 and 2, and who thought they would profit by exploiting Germany's devastation and create another devastating world war by funding Hitler's rise to power (to both war-profiteer and squash the growing Red Tide across Europe)..He said so in a speech on the eve of WW2, when he specifically tore into his Jewish financiers and promised to wipe them off the face of the Earth..Crazy, ain't it..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

frak what I'm saying is that if Taylor vaults to #10, it's because he's being pushed up because of 3-4 teams needing a prospect at NT. Taylor has the first round talent. However, in this draft, a player like Cam Jordan, who has played all the positions along the 3-4 line, who had just as an equally impressive week is more a top ten talent. In this draft, drafting for need could be the way to go because of the uncertainties of the labor situation. However, that's not a strategy I'd hope the team follows in the long run.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I say this year , we load up on Godzillas, then next year, bet the lower forty to obtaid Luck..If he's Shanny's perfect player, then we should seriously stretch to reach for him..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

We could preemptively begin this process now, and we would not even have to tank next year to make it happen...

All we'd need to do is identify who the worst team in the league will be in 2011.

For my money I'd take one of these 3 based on them all being terrible already PLUS all 3 have new coaches in an unsettled off season year:

CAR
DEN
CLE

So what you do is roll the dice and go ahead and trade #10 this year for CAR's #1 next year. We may have to add or subtract additional picks to make it work via the NFL value chart, but that's what you do if you want Luck.

Then you draft all O-linemen and front 7 Defenders.

Obviously this scenario leaves much to chance but it's an idea. Maybe not a good one, but an idea nonetheless.

Shanahan will not go worse than 6-10 next year, that's why I say this is the best way to get Luck without leveraging our next 3 #1 picks.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 19, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That's 4 SBs since 2003, 2 by QBs we let go. For a team that hasn't been there in 20 years, I'd take a 1-3 SB record in this decade.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 12:38 PM

Don't forget Stan Humphries.

It's more about the team they went to then the actual play of the QB. So besides BJ and Gannon, where did the other 2 games played come from?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse


frak

don't need a history class on hitler frak, i think we're well aware of what he did and why. it's best to move on and let hitler rest where he belongs, six feet under

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

now is the opportunity to build at the line of scrimmage, something that hasn't happened here in years. last year was a start with the o-line, but the d-line needs help badly, and we're not thru with the o-line. QB can wait

Posted by: hessone

co-sign

AND

God knows that's the truth, and grabbing the first q-back you can is not the way to build a championship team. Build up the line play first because you're gonna' be a top ten picker the next season anyway.

Then get the difference maker at q-back the following season. You saw what grabbing at q-back straws did for us last season. Desperation is not the way to go here.


Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 11:27

Co-sign

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hitler was enacting his revenge on the Jewish financiers (and Prescott) that created WW 1 and 2, and who thought they would profit by exploiting Germany's devastation and create another devastating world war by funding Hitler's rise to power (to both war-profiteer and squash the growing Red Tide across Europe)..He said so in a speech on the eve of WW2, when he specifically tore into his Jewish financiers and promised to wipe them off the face of the Earth..Crazy, ain't it..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:40 PM |

Frak, I'm tired of arguing with you on history, politics and the like but let me point out one thing to you. In the beginning of this last paragraph you seem to infer that it was the Jewish financiers that started WWII and then you take Hitler at his word in the end. Hitler was a psycopath bent on wiping out a whole race of people and world domination. Nothing he says is anything but spin to attempt to justify his actions to his own people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell @ 12:29, fair enough abot Atogwe. I'd feel the same if we had 3rd and 4th round picks

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"The draft gives you opportunities and the way you do well is by taking advantage of them. If Shanahan sees a franchise QB, then he should pick him, not sit around and say "oh, I'm loading up on Godzillas this year."

Posted by: beep-beep"

Luck is Elway..Shanahan won a Super Bowl or 2 with Elway..Luck is perfect for us..Why waste a pick on a QB when you know you're going after Luck next year?? "Save The Godzillas"..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, but 'don't pass up a QB who has a chance to start for 10 years' is every bit as much a cliche as anything else.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 12:29 PM

Cliche? Not on Redskins Insider.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse


zcezcest1

i've noticed that nbc broadcast mostly eastern conference games on their sunday, nationally televised games, with the exception of detroit and chicago. why not some of the other western conference teams ? we hardly get to see any west coast teams here on the east coast. do you get any east coast games where you're at ?

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Not saying he was justified, just that was a large source of his rage...I don't need to go into the war-profiteering world history of the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Morgans or Carnegies, though to point out the role of banks in creating warrs for profit..

Hitler was a serious a**hole, but like I said, he was created by historical war-profiteers, many of them Jewish..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

So besides BJ and Gannon, where did the other 2 games played come from?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 12:43 PM

McNabb and Grossman.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone

co-sign

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 11:27

Co-sign

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If Gabbert or Cam are still there @ #10. Either would be the no-brainer pick for this team. Neither would be expected to start until 2012.

Once again, there are 7 rounds in the draft. You have UDRFAs. You have over 250+ players hitting unrestricted FA.

Whatever happens....DONT PASS ON CAM NOT BLAINE IN THE FIRST ROUND IF AVAILABLE.....STAMPED...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 19, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Luck is Elway..Shanahan won a Super Bowl or 2 with Elway..Luck is perfect for us..Why waste a pick on a QB when you know you're going after Luck next year?? "Save The Godzillas"..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:45 PM

Elway is Elway. Luck is Luck. You take a QB this year if you see one you like because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell @ 12:29, fair enough abot Atogwe. I'd feel the same if we had 3rd and 4th round picks

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 12:45 PM

I hear ya Sween. I'm not necessarily advocating drafting a FS although I would like the FS from GT in the 5th. I think I would rather target a younger FS such as Weddle in FA than Otogwe. In the end I think Otogwe would be an upgrade over what we have and that would be okay...even though it's not the longer term solution. At least with him you kinda know what you get...with Weddle, not so much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Why Taylor (or a dominate NT) at 10?

Easy: we have made scheme change to a 3-4 using 4-3 linemen.

And the results could have been predicted by a bad psychic.

Draftnik logic says no to Taylor or a NT at 10.

But our on field defensive needs are such that we need to add linemen of ability and size who come into the league playing in the positions the played in college.

Draftnik logic makes sense on draft day.

But when the games start, what makes sense is having the players you want and need to make your scheme work.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey left the 'Skins and did nothing. Jason Campbell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Mark Brunell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Chase Daniels left the 'Skins and did nothing.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:09 PM

Not saying every QB was a hit. Just saying we've had QBs good enough to go all the way.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse


zcezcest1

in regards to the nhl

i've noticed that nbc broadcast mostly eastern conference games on their sunday, nationally televised games, with the exception of detroit and chicago. why not some of the other western conference teams ? we hardly get to see any west coast teams here on the east coast. do you get any east coast games where you're at ?

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 12:51 PM |


Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Elway is Elway. Luck is Luck. You take a QB this year if you see one you like because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Posted by: beep-beep"

Disagree..We've already got a stop-gap in Rex Grossman, maybe even McNabb..I expect Luck to come out of the collegiate womb "walkin' and talkin", starting early in his first year..We need an ELITE quarterback, to make average players shine, and he's the elitest youngin' around, forget the Cam "Money Octopus" and his baggage, forget Blaine "Chase Daniels the 2nd" Gabbert..WE WANT LUCK!!!

I'd be okay with Cameron Jordan, or any of those top DLs at 10, TWISI..Just no QBs, please..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Not saying he was justified, just that was a large source of his rage...I don't need to go into the war-profiteering world history of the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Morgans or Carnegies, though to point out the role of banks in creating warrs for profit..

Hitler was a serious a**hole, but like I said, he was created by historical war-profiteers, many of them Jewish..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 12:52 PM |

You have a serious issue with anyone that makes money and pretend to know all of their motivations hence your arguments hold no water. When you come from a point of a know it all it becomes clear that you know very little.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Why Taylor (or a dominate NT) at 10?

Easy: we have made scheme change to a 3-4 using 4-3 linemen.

And the results could have been predicted by a bad psychic.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:59 PM

Why not Ellis or Paea in the 2nd or Powe in the 4th or 5th round? There's no need to reach for a player when there are more talented players at other need positions.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 12:34 PM

Not unfair, but you attributed the inference to the wrong people....

You meant to infere to 1st generational African Immigrant children.

Such as Orakpo.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 19, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

what-EVAH, scamp..Your humility and objectivity is always appreciated..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If you look at 2011 as a rebuilding year, it helps to visualize the team you want on the field in 2012 or 2013.

For 2012 on defense, there are only 2 guys I can count on having that I'm sure I want: Hall and Orakpo.

I'd like Landry, but I suspect he'll have a chance at FA when the CBA is done.

Fletcher is wonderful, but even as ageless as he's been, I think he's got 1 more year in him at a high level -- he looked slower to me this year than last.

Rocky and Rogers are FA, both are likely gone.

From the rest, we'll keep some useful parts, but no one that can't be replaced or upgraded. Carriker, Bryant, Golston, 'Lo, etc. Hopefully, we got some of the young guys like Henson and Rob Jackson to step up.

But the conclusion is that the defense has very little on it now that we should depend on in just 2 years.

Unfortunately, the offense is much the same.

For 2012 on offense, there are only 2 guys I can count on having that I'm sure I want: Cooley and Trent Williams.

Moss is FA, Fred Davis needs to go somewhere he'll get playing time. The interior OL could use a 100% makeover by 2012 and Jammal Brown, who I'd like to keep, is a FA between now and then.

I like what I saw from Torain and Armstrong, but Torain needs to prove he can stay healthy, while Armstrong needs to continue to improve. Obviously, QB is an issue.

On both offense and defense, there are guys that may work out better than expected/shown so far. And we have guys like Doughty and Alexander -- role playing overachievers you want to keep, even if they aren't starters.

If you start with the premise that this offseason is about getting this team ready for 2012 or 2013 -- I think you approach it differently than if you think 2011 can be a good year.

I don't think you can come close to overhauling this thing in 2011. So visualize what you want for 2012 and 2013 and make decisions around those years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think part of the reason they move old corners over to safety is only in part related to lost speed. Free safeties, like meddle linebackers, have on-field duties to recognize stuff happening based on personnel sets and alignments, and then which adjustments to make from the defensive play called. The older the guy, the more snaps played and the more film watched. My thinking is mostly that Atogwe and Haslett have a history together. Its one of those instances where what is likely to happen might actually align with the roster moves that this amateur armchair GM might come together. [Cautionary note: The last time this occurred, the Skins drafted a punter ... sorry about that.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

what-EVAH, scamp..Your humility and objectivity is always appreciated..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:12 PM |

Ditto

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"You have a serious issue with anyone that makes money and pretend to know all of their motivations hence your arguments hold no water."

Tell it to Da Jesus..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

what-EVAH, scamp..Your humility and objectivity is always appreciated..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:12 PM |

Ditto

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why Taylor (or a dominate NT) at 10?

Easy: we have made scheme change to a 3-4 using 4-3 linemen.

And the results could have been predicted by a bad psychic.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 12:59 PM

Lots of predictors up here. Blind monkeys, bad psychics, blind psychics, and the very worst, bad monkeys.

From what I read in the intergoogletubewebs, the top of the draft is thick with defensive linemen and outside LBs. [Like the year Skins picked Rocky at the top of the second round ... he was something like the 11th or 12th OLB picked.] At this point, I am ready to trust in the Shanahallencampbellmarocco brain trust to find the best balance of talent, upside, work ethic, and "at position." It seems like luck, frankly, that we've had a few drafts in a row where the first round choice worked out well. Landry, (Baker), Orakpo, and Williams. [Sam Baker seems like he's worked out well for Atlanta ... Skins results on the trade down netting three pass catchers varied ... considerably.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Tell it to Da Jesus..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:15 PM |
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frak, you can make your points without the political spin you use, otherwise, post on

here's a cliche,

work hard, play hard, stay hard

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think part of the reason they move old corners over to safety is only in part related to lost speed. Free safeties, like meddle linebackers, have on-field duties to recognize stuff happening based on personnel sets and alignments, and then which adjustments to make from the defensive play called. The older the guy, the more snaps played and the more film watched. My thinking is mostly that Atogwe and Haslett have a history together. Its one of those instances where what is likely to happen might actually align with the roster moves that this amateur armchair GM might come together. [Cautionary note: The last time this occurred, the Skins drafted a punter ... sorry about that.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM |

It's a solid argument no doubt.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Why not Ellis or Paea in the 2nd or Powe in the 4th or 5th round?


Sure.

Truth be told, we need whomever is the best rated interior lineman at pick 10.

I like how the packers signalled their seriousness about their 3-4 when the they drafted both BJ Raji and Clay Matthews in the same year to make it work.

Skins fans would've howled about needing another 'fat boy' left tackle had the team done likewise to make the 3-4 switch.

The 3-4 works when a dominate, pocket collapsing force centers it.

It's the thinnest and most necessary position on our team.

In Ballmer, they got a nice rotation of Ngata, Cody, and Gregg: they are serious about their D.

The Redskin FO thought AH would man the NT spot.

But to date, he's been everything but a man and professional athlete.

We have A Bryant and would do well to establish a rotation featuring him, the draft pick, and perhaps a FA-low round draftee.

I don't think Ma'ake Kemoteau is the answer.

Kedric Golston is a 4-3 defensive tackle they are trying to morph into a defensive end.

Again, draft logic makes sense on draft day.

But when the games start, having players who make your scheme work makes way more sense.

And with the 3-4, outside of A Carriker, Vonnie Holliday, and A Bryant we don't have the players up front to make it work.

And that's what not logical.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

i've noticed that nbc broadcast mostly eastern conference games on their sunday, nationally televised games, with the exception of detroit and chicago. why not some of the other western conference teams ? we hardly get to see any west coast teams here on the east coast. do you get any east coast games where you're at ?

Posted by: hessone

There are east coast games shown out here. But I see plenty of games with the Sharks, so I'm usually not watching the east coast games unless its a particularly good matchup or the Winter Classic.

Even though they are in the West, Chicago and Detroit get a lot of coverage.

And tonight, I'm headed back to the Shark Tank for our game vs the Avs. Given they just traded their good young goalie (he played extremely well vs us in the playoffs last year), I'm optimistic. But the West standing are a mess -- every game matters.

If nothing else, at least dallas is melting down -- they went from 3rd to 8th in about 2 weeks. I hate dallas. In everything.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can come close to overhauling this thing in 2011. So visualize what you want for 2012 and 2013 and make decisions around those years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM

So what do you see? How would you approach the offseason?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"work hard, play hard, stay hard

Posted by: hessone"

Thanks for the pass and the insight, Rudolf..I was born harder than the average bear..Had my teeth cleaned for the first time in 15 years this week..TWO hours under the drill...The hygeinist marvelled at my pain tolerance..I get the same thing from tattoo artists and punk rockers..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Random Comment:

The NBA All Star game is tommorrow.

And I couldn't tell you which players are on what roster.

I haven't watched a complete NBA game since those brutal Knicks v. Bulls game from back in the day.

Coin Toss: are groupies and stippers the only beneficiaries of the NBA All Star contest?

a. yes

b. no

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Tell it to Da Jesus..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:15 PM |
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frak, you can make your points without the political spin you use, otherwise, post on

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 1:21 PM

Political spin? I thought that one was a line from John Turturro's character in The Big Lebowski.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the pass and the insight, Rudolf..I was born harder than the average bear..Had my teeth cleaned for the first time in 15 years this week..TWO hours under the drill...The hygeinist marvelled at my pain tolerance..I get the same thing from tattoo artists and punk rockers..


Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:33 PM

You're questioning other people's humility? Take a look in the mirror bro. No one here cares how hard you think you are. Oh, and for the record, a lot of people get tattoos. You getting a few doesn't mean your pain tolerance is higher than others.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

So besides BJ and Gannon, where did the other 2 games played come from?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 12:43 PM

McNabb and Grossman.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 12:52 PM

I guess I didn't understand the rules. I thought they had to leave our team and then start in a SB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can come close to overhauling this thing in 2011. So visualize what you want for 2012 and 2013 and make decisions around those years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM

I think they can and will. They have to to sell tickets. You don't fill seats with "wait till how awesome we are next year!" ... and unlike Ralph Wilson or the owning public of Green Bay, I think The Owner of the Skins really wants (maybe needs) to fill seats.

To make this work, it might require an expansion of the diet of first tier free agents from three to four ... or, at least, a serious RB candidate to relieve the pressure on Grossman and to win a few games in the NFC East.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and for the record, a lot of people get tattoos. You getting a few doesn't mean your pain tolerance is higher than others.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:39 PM

Agreed. Demonstrating pain tolerance requires that the tattoo be on your tongue ... and that you're sober, with no ice ... and that its done with a sewing machine and a ball point pen.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can come close to overhauling this thing in 2011. So visualize what you want for 2012 and 2013 and make decisions around those years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM

I don't know man. They may not have the draft picks but they have the pockets for a large FA class this year...if we have one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

They may not have the draft picks but they have the pockets for a large FA class this year...if we have one.

Free Agent wants:

FS, C, CB, G, RT, WR, WR, LB, DE/DT


That should do it.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

From PFT about Atogwe ... this is what I mean about a guy with his priorities straight.

"The Rams may have given up on Atogwe, but Atogwe hasn’t given up on the Rams.

“My agent and myself have established a really good negotiating relationship with them, so were we to do something again (with the Rams), I don’t believe it would be a difficult task,” Atogwe told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Because there’s no bad blood there."

"We should be able to get something done."

The Rams are probably lucky that Atogwe is still willing to consider them, because they haven’t treated him as most teams would a defensive back who’s created an NFC-high 44 turnovers over the past five seasons. Atogwe was assigned the lowest possible restricted free agent tender during the 2010 offseason, signed to a phony five-year extension, and released yesterday with no apparent consideration given to restructuring the deal or delaying the payment of his February 21 roster bonus.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Free Agent wants:

FS, C, CB, G, RT, WR, WR, LB, DE/DT

That should do it.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 1:46 PM

This is where it gets tricky about the timing of the CBA. If the draft comes first, then they pretty much can go BPA and hit any two of these spots. If free agency goes first, then we know for sure about them picking a QB.

Also, I would add RB to that list above ... but I've been a broken record about that. [Remember records?]

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

hess pushed my buttons and spewed the hard comment, scamp-kneejerk..You are so above competitive oneupmanship, of course..hypocrite a-hole..

You come into DC board spewin' out-of-area political crap all the time, always have to have the last word..We know you're connected to the Post some how, issuing beeps occasionally, like beantown and crew (how does that work, Cindy?? You guys a CIA-network or sumpin'??)..Ahhh, stick to football..cramp...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can come close to overhauling this thing in 2011. So visualize what you want for 2012 and 2013 and make decisions around those years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM

So what do you see? How would you approach the offseason?

Posted by: TWISI

Its a bit tricky because the FA and the draft might flip time frames this offseason. And one effects the other. But my FA agent thought is this: Who can I get that will be a starter for me in 2013-2015 time frame -- because that is when I expect this team to be competitive again. So, no 27 year old RBs in FA, no 29 year old CBs (including Nnamdi, even if he is a magnificent player). Even Santana Moss is on the bubble for me. Quick WRs usually have slipped a good bit by the time they hit 34 -- and Santana will be 34 in 2013.

I guess I'd put it this way. I'd use FA on players who are likely to be effective into their mid 30's. I'd use draft picks on players like DBs or RBs that peak earlier in their careers. No short term thinking.

In the draft, we've got so many holes, its pretty much best player available. What little I know about the QBs doesn't make me optimistic about any of them. No one seems to be another Sam Bradford.

My priority is OL, followed by DL. If it was me, I'd do what I can to put in place a young left side of the OL. Add a LG and C. Last year, I wanted to trade for Mankins and draft Pouncey (which would also have meant making a trade). Expensive? Yes. But that would have been a place where my team would have an clear advantage over other teams. Obviously, neither option exists for 2011. But if I can do something like that, sign me up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

are so above competitive oneupmanship, of course..hypocrite a-hole..

You come into DC board spewin' out-of-area political crap all the time, always have to have the last word..We know you're connected to the Post some how, issuing beeps occasionally, like beantown and crew (how does that work, Cindy?? You guys a CIA-network or sumpin'??)..Ahhh, stick to football..cramp...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:52 PM

Yep, lose an argument and come back with this crap. That's exactly what I expected from you. Loser.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

.....a serious RB candidate to relieve the pressure on Grossman and to win a few games in the NFC East.

Speaking of which, the odd news is that Moss is out--so does this mean Portis is in?

That's a day off discussion in and all of itself.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 19, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Moss, like Atogwe, said he wants to stick with the home team. [At least, that's what Moss said on pft video.]

Portis ... I just can't see it making any sense dollar-wise, much less roster spot-wise. If a groin muscle pulls off the bone (off the pelvis), how do you NOT get that surgery and expect that it fixes itself? Multi-game concussions can't be a good thing either.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Just because you're an intransigent PUTZ doesn't mean any argument was lost, you thick-headed NeoConJob..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

You don't "start with the fat boys" if a franchise QB is there.

Posted by: beep-beep


You don't "start with the fat boys" if a franchise QB is there.

Posted by: beep-beep

You keep using the term "franchise QB" with regard to the college prospects. I'd like to know your definition of the term, because all I see is a lot of potential and a lot of developmental projects. Taking a QB is almost always a crap shoot, so why not wait until the 2nd when you can still get Kaepernick, Ponder and maybe others.

DE at 10 seems the way to go, but it wouldn't kill me if they took Taylor. At least he would contribute right away.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 19, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Another day and another slap fight between scamp and frak.

You boys should just ignore each other.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The A in ITA stands for a$$clown. It also could stand for a$$topic or a$$subject matter. Just sayin.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Just because you're an intransigent PUTZ doesn't mean any argument was lost, you thick-headed NeoConJob..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 1:59 PM | Report

Whatever, you're a tinfoil hat wearing, welfare mooching, paranoid, delusional, crack addicted, bridge dweller that spends his days in the computer and new age section of the library. You are not to be taken seriously and never are.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse


If nothing else, at least dallas is melting down -- they went from 3rd to 8th in about 2 weeks. I hate dallas. In everything.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:31 PM |
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i had to change flights in dallas once, and i hated to even do that

Posted by: hessone | February 19, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

scamp = standard issue Republican bore..You should do copy for the "Rush Limbaugh Show"..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

frak= Hitler apologist. That says it all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 2012 Free Agents
by Kevin Ewoldt

Landry headlines the Redskins 2012 free agents.

The Redskins don't have many free agents this season (Moss, Rocky, Carlos, Grossman, McNabb - sorta), but 2012 is a HUGE year where 16 guys on our current roster are up for free agency. That's 30%! Here they are in alphabetic order:

Josh Bidwell - (Was placed on IR. Due to make $1.5 mil in 2011. Please cut.)

Anthony Bryant - (NT played admirably at the end of the 2010 season. Due to make $640K in 2011).

Adam Carriker - (DE who turned it on the last few games for the Redskins. It's hard to believe he's only making $1.42 million next year - less than Bidwell).

Phillip Daniels - (Long time Redskin and Bear has a $1mil paycheck in 2011. I know he has Google Alerts set up to read his name in the news, so, "What up Big Phil?? Hope all is well in Chicago!").

Fred Davis - (The gifted TE for some reason does not see a lot of action. With this being the last year of his contract, the Redskins either need to trade him or start him). When Fred leaves, that essentially seals the 2008 draft as the Redskins worst one ever.

London Fletcher - (I really try to picture how bad our defense would have been the last few years without #59 and I cringe. Who is going to fill this guy's shoes? Like Ray Lewis, he has a Ford-tough motor. Will it extend past 2011?)

Graham Gano - (He's a restricted free agent)

Vonnie Holliday - (I really have nothing to say).

Chris Horton - (The injury-riddled Safety needs a solid and healthy 2011 season to not only stay a Redskin, but likely in the NFL).

Malcolm Kelly - (He's still on the team? 28 catches, 365 yards, 0 TDs in 3 seasons).

Ma'ake Kemoeatu - (I think everyone knows how I feel about this Hawaiin. I'll have major problems if he's on the 53-man roster THIS season).

LaRon Landry - (Shanahan is in love with Landry and I'd be shocked if an extension is not completed before New Year's Eve of this year. The guy is a workout warrior who plays hurt, oh, and is a Pro-Bowler. Dirty Thirty is making $3.715 in 2011)

Kory Lichtensteiger - (The Left Guard is slated make $555K this year. Anyone's guess if he stays beyond that. Ample backup, but I'd hope we'll have upgraded at Guards by then).

The Rest: Will Montgomery, Kareem Moore, Big Mike Williams ($840K contract for 2011)

Interesting notes: Mike Sellers is on contract until 2015. (Vinny and Snyder gave him a 6-year $6.94 million contract in September of 2009. I guess $1 mil a year for a decent FB and 5-star special teamer isn't too bad).

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, at least dallas is melting down -- they went from 3rd to 8th in about 2 weeks. I hate dallas. In everything.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 1:31 PM |
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i had to change flights in dallas once, and i hated to even do that

Posted by: hessone

That's one big mofo airport. I remember running to catch a connection on a night when thunderstorms had made a complete mess of the place. Did the 'half mile with luggage' thing. Felt sorry for the person next to me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I've slept under bridges..Tom Waits likes me so much, he wrote me an anthem, scamp..How many anthems you got written about you?? har-har-har..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR9-MI34tL8

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The single biggest need on this team is a quarterback. If the right guy is there, then we can't afford not to take him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 7:03 AM

Dan Snyder disagrees. And how he feels could have a huge influence on how much "rebuilding" time the current regime gets.

Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

yawn

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I'm guessing a six year deal for Sellers was to hedge against inflation. As amatuer as I am as a GM, I'm even more amateur as a macroeconomist ... but I figure the only way to manage this country's debt imbalance with China is to allow inflation to rise.

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011

That long list is part of the reason that I think mgmt needs to think 2013-2015 in the decisions it makes this offseason.

Of that list, the only one that I'd hope is part of the longer term picture in a major role is Landry. Carriker and Bryant may become something, but we'll have another year to make that call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."

Posted by: Alan4"

Hmmm, when did Rome and Snyder have this conversation?? Maybe McNabb stays..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I'm guessing a six year deal for Sellers was to hedge against inflation. As amatuer as I am as a GM, I'm even more amateur as a macroeconomist ... but I figure the only way to manage this country's debt imbalance with China is to allow inflation to rise.

Posted by: dcsween

tariffs -- no point in free trade nations that don't play by the rules

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

In news that matters:

Alaska Airlines said Friday it plans to fly from San Jose to Kahului, Maui on a daily basis starting June 5. Alaska currently flies between San Jose and Maui three times a week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

" but I figure the only way to manage this country's debt imbalance with China is to allow inflation to rise.

Posted by: dcsween"

Cobalt-salted hydrogen bombs...Cures all debt and kills germs that cause bad breath..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, when did Rome and Snyder have this conversation?? Maybe McNabb stays..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:31 PM

Feb 4.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, I still say that McNabb was benched at the end of the year to keep him from being injured any worse..The "zone-blocking scheme" seemed to jell late in the year, and Rex profited from it..If McNabb stays, it's not all a bad thing..He set yardage records in his short stint here so far..Now, if he can get some blocking and cut down the INTs, we should be awight..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Cobalt-salted hydrogen bombs...Cures all debt and kills germs that cause bad breath..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 2:37 PM

You are revealing the sins of your father.

Posted by: abxinc | February 19, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Just how close are the Redskins to being championship-contenders in the NFL?

Not as far as everyone thinks. Free Agency has caused a lot of parody in the NFL, you still have a few dynasty like teams in the Steelers, Patriots and Ravens, but they are aging. Despite what the "experts" say at the Extra Stupid Pinheads Network, with a solid qb and some additions to the defense the Redskins have as much chance of going to the Superbowl next year as any team.

Let's not forget, we did beat the Superbowl champs this year... any NFL team with coach Shanny at the helm and Danny writing the big checks has a shot

Posted by: rodskin | February 19, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I say let's hope Shanny makes the call on qb not Danny.

The coaches saw something they didn't like in DM5 last year, if DM5 remains the starter next season it will only be to groom the next qb. He just doesn't read the defenses well enough and go through his progressions correctly; in the past he could compensate with athleticism, but age is catching up, I say trade him and Fat Albert and get some more picks.

Posted by: rodskin | February 19, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Just how close are the Redskins to being championship-contenders in the NFL?

Not as far as everyone thinks. Free Agency has caused a lot of parody in the NFL, you still have a few dynasty like teams in the Steelers, Patriots and Ravens, but they are aging. Despite what the "experts" say at the Extra Stupid Pinheads Network, with a solid qb and some additions to the defense the Redskins have as much chance of going to the Superbowl next year as any team.

Let's not forget, we did beat the Superbowl champs this year... any NFL team with coach Shanny at the helm and Danny writing the big checks has a shot

Posted by: rodskin | February 19, 2011 3:26 PM

Nice parody

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

You are revealing the sins of your father.

Posted by: abxinc

Here, download winamp and click on Mystery Science Theater 3000, they'll help you with your humor deficit handicap..

http://sonic-lux.de/home/projekte/software/shoutcast_tv_lists/web/index.html

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"what I'm saying is that if Taylor vaults to #10, it's because he's being pushed up because of 3-4 teams needing a prospect at NT."

No doubt. There's an extra risk in taking a 'fat guy' to play in the middle -- the position is basically as a sumo wrestler who usually faced two opponents at once, and that can be hazardous to one's health. Maake Kemeoatu being an example.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Well, I still say that McNabb was benched at the end of the year to keep him from being injured any worse..The "zone-blocking scheme" seemed to jell late in the year, and Rex profited from it.."

I suspect he was benched for not following the game plan. That's the reason Andy Reid benched him in Philly, and the Skins had already had issues with his free-lancing (and abandoning the run) earlier in the season.

Grossman, for all his faults, likes the Kurt Shanahan scheme and tends to implement it as written.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"The coaches saw something they didn't like in DM5 last year, if DM5 remains the starter next season it will only be to groom the next qb."

Try as I might, I just don't see them getting rid of McNabb unless by a trade that's to their advantage. Nobody ever saw him as a five year starter (extension notwithstanding). If they draft a QB it's probably to carry a clipboard for much of the season. They like Grossman but nobody thinks he's a contending QB at this point in his career. If they could swap McNabb for Jay Cutler I imagine they would, but that's about it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT

1- OLB ROBERT QUINN North Carolina
2- G MIKE POUNCEY Florida
5- NT KENDRICK ELLIS Hampton
5- QB TYROD TAYLOR Virginia Tech
6- OLB SAM ACHO Texas
7- WR DeANDRE BROWN Southern Mississippi
7- CB JUSTIN ROGERS Richmond

REDSKIN FREE AGENTS

Offense

QB REX GROSSMAN
WR SANTANA MOSS
OT JAMAAL BROWN

Defense

OLB CHRIS WILSON
ILB H.B. BLADES
CB PHILIP BUCHANON

OTHER FREE AGENTS

Offense

G JUSTIN BLAYLOCK Falcons
OT RYAN HARRIS Broncos

Defense

NT PAUL SOLIAI Dolphins
CB NNAMDI ASOMUGHA Raiders
FS O.J. ATOGWE Rams
P ADAM PODLESH Jags

NON-DRAFTED FREE AGENTS

DE MARTIN PARKER Richmond
ILB ERIC McBRIDE Richmond

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 19, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It was obvious Rex fit into Kurt Shanny's offense better than McNabb..But , Rex did better than Cutler's first year with the Bears , too..McNabb may fit in better with a year under his belt, like Cutler, and the offensive line should be improved..Frankly, I'm not sure how I feel about it, but if they can trade McNabb to, say, the Vikings for some value, that'd be cool, too.

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Is Kurt Shanahan some sort of behind the scenes puppet master that controls the actions of Mike and Kyle Shanahan?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 19, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007 I see you're a Richmond Spider fan.

1- OLB ROBERT QUINN North Carolina
2- G MIKE POUNCEY Florida
5- NT KENDRICK ELLIS Hampton
5- QB TYROD TAYLOR Virginia Tech
6- OLB SAM ACHO Texas
7- WR DeANDRE BROWN Southern Mississippi
7- CB JUSTIN ROGERS Richmond

Ellis is probably a second rounder, at worst a third rounder. Brown in the 7th would be a nice get. Size and decent speed. All he needs is the light to come on and to stay healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I just can't see Danny paying out big money in a rebuilding process. And I don't think Shanahan is going to ask that.

Once this team has the right sorts of players in place (meaning Lo and Carter aren't your OLBs, etc), maybe good enough to be a .500 team on an inexpensive payroll, then you invest in FA to turn weaknesses into strengths. Right now, we've got weaknesses all over the place -- with a few more to come depending on our FA issues and how quickly London Fletcher ages.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

WaitingGuilty-
Kurt is the Shanny that binds the whole Shanny thing together, like Zeppo...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey left the 'Skins and did nothing. Jason Campbell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Mark Brunell left the 'Skins and did nothing. Chase Daniels left the 'Skins and did nothing.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 12:09 PM

Not saying every QB was a hit. Just saying we've had QBs good enough to go all the way.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 19, 2011 1:06 PM
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I'm not saying we couldn't have gone to a Super Bowl with some of those guys. The supporting cast is part of the equation. For instance, a quarterback can only do so much if his offensive line cannot give him time. He can throw all day but if his receivers have "Carlos Rogers hands" then it won't amount to much. I'm saying it is a waste to spend too much on a quarterback when you are so far away on your supporting cast. The offensive line cannot give him time. There's not much talent at wide receiver to work with. The defense is porous.

I've heard some say that the way to do it is to draft the quarterback and let him carry the clipboard for a year or two to learn. That's the way it used to be but, these days, unless you have a much younger Brett Favre starting, you don't have the luxury of waiting to put that guy in the line of fire. A team pays big bucks for a QB and most owners want to see a return on that investment.

Of the quarterbacks available in this draft, who is ready to start in the NFL? Who? Like I said before, the only guy who was ready to start on day one decided to stay in school another year. The rest are projects. As I said, wait. The team can kick the tires on a few young QB's in free agency to pass the time while focusing on rebuilding the offensive line and the defense overall.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007 I see you're a Richmond Spider fan.

1- OLB ROBERT QUINN North Carolina
2- G MIKE POUNCEY Florida
5- NT KENDRICK ELLIS Hampton
5- QB TYROD TAYLOR Virginia Tech
6- OLB SAM ACHO Texas
7- WR DeANDRE BROWN Southern Mississippi
7- CB JUSTIN ROGERS Richmond

Ellis is probably a second rounder, at worst a third rounder. Brown in the 7th would be a nice get. Size and decent speed. All he needs is the light to come on and to stay healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 4:06 PM
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Dream on. Pouncey won't make it past the Steelers in the first round and Ellis will go higher.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

dead in here

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

dead in here

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 6:49 PM

maintaining a vigil over the NFL/NFLPA CBA in intensive care ... hoping for the best ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 19, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Sad story

Duerson committed suicide, asked for his brain to be studied

Posted by Mike Florio on February 19, 2011, 6:32 PM EST

Authorities in Miami have determined that former Bears safety Dave Duerson died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest, according to NBC 5 in Chicago.

Per the report, Duerson informed loved ones in a text message that he wants his brain to be studied.

A friend of the family contacted Chris Nowinski, co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Ecephalopathy, Thursday night. Arrangement were made for the brain to be prepped and sent to Nowinski’s program for research.

The tissue will be checked for the presence of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, or CTE.

“NFL players are at high risk for CTE,” Nowinski said. “It’s sad, it’s shocking that it may have been on his mind” the moments before his death.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

“NFL players are at high risk for CTE,” Nowinski said. “It’s sad, it’s shocking that it may have been on his mind” the moments before his death.”


whewwww..hmmmmm, dawgie...Maybe some of that "New Age Crap" might work for some thing like this, scamp, like Ayurvedic or Traditional Chinese medicine...

Why'nt you go get you a beer?? aaaaaaa..

http://www.arthurmag.com/contributors/radio/


It's okay, I'm just another Tibetan Wrathful Deity keepin' you hard , clean, and righteous..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This is what I've been trying to express all day. The Skins will be better served getting their qb this offseason. I pulled out an excerpt from this count, counterpoint series on csnwashington.com

http://www.csnwashington.com/02/18/11/Point-Counterpoint-Skins-top-offseason-n/landing.html?blockID=413290&feedID=4717

Tandler: I’m with you on the nose tackle. Jim Haslett said last spring that playing the 3-4 without a good nose tackle was like trying to play baseball without a catcher. To continue the analogy, the ball rolled to the backstop frequently during every Redskins game last year. Still, quarterback is the top priority. It will take a year or two until the new QB even knows what is going on and another couple of years until he becomes truly effective. If the Redskins go about building the rest of the team and then select the quarterback, fans will be doomed to another five to 10 years of frustration. The rest of the team will be getting old and becoming eligible for free agency just when the QB is coming of age.

O’Halloran: Even if the Redskins do go quarterback in the first round, it should be another year of frustration for fans – this team simply isn’t very good right now. The best thing that can happen for Shanahan is that a new CBA is finalized before the draft so he can use free agency to fill some of the numerous holes on the roster, but more importantly, provide a blueprint for exactly what needs must be addressed for the draft. For example, if the lockout remains through the draft, do the Redskins address cornerback or linebacker, two positions that could be needs if Carlos Rogers and Rocky McIntosh don’t return? Or do they stick with quarterback? How Shanahan proceeds will tell a lot in terms of whether he’s building for the future or trying to perform a quicker fix.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Sad story

Duerson committed suicide, asked for his brain to be studied

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 19, 2011 7:49 PM |

That is sad, and the worst part is there are going to be a lot more stories like it. NFL football has messed up a lot of good men.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 19, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, got a lot of respect for Tandler, but I don't agree on the QB. You take the right QB when he's there. It's not a decision you force into a specific year.

You can do a ton of damage by spending a high pick a big chunk of change on the wrong guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 Tandler didn't necessarily say they have to draft a qb at #1. However, what he said is that the Skins have to address this position at some point via draft,fa,trade this year. If I recall correctly, I think Tandler is on board of using the second rounder on a qb if one is identified as a fit for the Skins offense. However, I think his point is that the franchise will remain stagnated until a qb is found.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

So the Ram cut OJ Atogwe and the Colts cut Bob Sanders...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

As for the Duerson tragedy, I wonders if he chose to commit suicide now because this is when the players and owners are negotiating over things that would include player safety issues and post-NFL health issued.

He thought his death could provide value to others because he asked for his brain to be studied. Its awfully hard to think of suicide being noble as the tragedy easily outweighs the good. But I think that whatever is happening in the negotiations -- they have all taken notice.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 19, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

godpeace, duerson...


One things for sure, the next free safety better be able to cover that sumb*tch DeSean...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear that BB is out of the hosp and on the road to recovery. Hope the dude can rip a few next season if there is one. Riddle me this though - in the pic of him on WaPo's Skins front page he has eye black ubder his eye. Is that necessary? Do it do any good?

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

In his NFC East blog for ESPN, Mat Mostly opines that Mark Ingram is trucking up the draft pecking order and might end up a Skin at pick #10. Mostly mentions how it might not be too much of a stretch to compare him to Emmitt Smith because he has good hole mechanics. Smith was slower than a JC progression (4.6/40yd speed) but he was a master at getting all there was to get out of a hole. Ingram is faster than Smith was but he ain't no burner that's for sure. Still, it might be too much of a gamble to blow a #10 on the dude. I mean think about it, he could end up another Emmitt Smith or he could also end up a Effitup Smith also.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

In his NFC East blog for ESPN, Mat Mostly opines that Mark Ingram is trucking up the draft pecking order and might end up a Skin at pick #10. Mostly mentions how it might not be too much of a stretch to compare him to Emmitt Smith because he has good hole mechanics. Smith was slower than a JC progression (4.6/40yd speed) but he was a master at getting all there was to get out of a hole. Ingram is faster than Smith was but he ain't no burner that's for sure. Still, it might be too much of a gamble to blow a #10 on the dude. I mean think about it, he could end up another Emmitt Smith or he could also end up a Effitup Smith also.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 9:34 PM |

I'd say both you and Mosely are smoking a little China Black if you think Shanny is gonna take a RB at 10 this year...or ever.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

One things for sure, the next free safety better be able to cover that sumb*tch DeSean...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 8:57 PM |

It ain't so much that you needs someone to cover the dude as it is you need someone who can play centerfield. Deep bombs of the type that DeSean makes DBs look bad on don't have the steam behind them that shorter passes do. So if your FS is a good centerfielder he can read the flight of the ball and position himself to be there along with Orpheus when the ball is descending.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So what you do is roll the dice and go ahead and trade #10 this year for CAR's #1 next year. We may have to add or subtract additional picks to make it work via the NFL value chart, but that's what you do if you want Luck.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 19, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

No way any team will give up the de facto rights to Andrew Luck that cheaply.

Excuse me, holmes?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 19, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd say both you and Mosely are smoking a little China Black if you think Shanny is gonna take a RB at 10 this year...or ever.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

As Judge Schmales said "Top notch, top notch!!" Agreed 100%...still thinking Von Miller, Stephen Paea, or maybe a bit of a reach and go OT...thoughts?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 19, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

As Judge Schmales said "Top notch, top notch!!" Agreed 100%...still thinking Von Miller, Stephen Paea, or maybe a bit of a reach and go OT...thoughts?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 19, 2011 10:13 PM |

I expressed my belief last night that we should go best 3-4 Dlineman or Linebacker in the first and then best interior Oline or QB in the 2nd. I think Brown should be re signed for Tackle and add a FA tackle...get rid of Heyer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse


Looky here, Idiot Scramp and Chia_Pets sock-puppet, ChinaLake, dreaming about the draft. Allen has already proven he hasn't a clue, fools. A good GM guards his draft picks, he doesn't burn them. You fools dream on, but Danny Boy is the head cheese, and anyone else that works for the Redskins are his fools. What a buckets of crap.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 19, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse


Seems like Flip_Flop isn't the only one that thinks Allen can't evaluate NFL talent. Sure he can juggle the cash and draw up a contract. Hired by Danny boy, will be fired by Danny Boy, fools.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/16264/bruce-allens-legacy-is-bucs-wr-corps

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 19, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

One things for sure, the next free safety better be able to cover that sumb*tch DeSean...

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 8:57 PM |

or at least not let Desean get behind him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

This is what I've been trying to express all day. The Skins will be better served getting their qb this offseason. I pulled out an excerpt from this count, counterpoint series on csnwashington.com

http://www.csnwashington.com/02/18/11/Point-Counterpoint-Skins-top-offseason-n/landing.html?blockID=413290&feedID=4717

Tandler: I’m with you on the nose tackle. Jim Haslett said last spring that playing the 3-4 without a good nose tackle was like trying to play baseball without a catcher. To continue the analogy, the ball rolled to the backstop frequently during every Redskins game last year. Still, quarterback is the top priority. It will take a year or two until the new QB even knows what is going on and another couple of years until he becomes truly effective. If the Redskins go about building the rest of the team and then select the quarterback, fans will be doomed to another five to 10 years of frustration. The rest of the team will be getting old and becoming eligible for free agency just when the QB is coming of age.

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 8:05 PM
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Since when does it take five years to develop a quarterback? That's just stupid. He had it right at the top: draft that nose tackle. I think the very best way to destroy the development of a young QB is to put him behind a shoddy offensive line, and have him in a lot of games where he has to drop back to pass because the defense isn't stopping anyone. That's precisely why you fix those things first. Then you draft a franchise quarterback that will be starting from day one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Since when does it take five years to develop a quarterback? That's just stupid. He had it right at the top: draft that nose tackle. I think the very best way to destroy the development of a young QB is to put him behind a shoddy offensive line, and have him in a lot of games where he has to drop back to pass because the defense isn't stopping anyone. That's precisely why you fix those things first. Then you draft a franchise quarterback that will be starting from day one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 10:45 PM

Yea, plus you don't take a QB just because you think it's going to take such and such amount of years. If the right guy isn't there, you don't just grab one...besides, 5 years? That's just assinine. If you have a QB and he doesn't start to develop by year 3 he's gone anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

OK..But , keep Heyer as valuable modular reserve..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse


My dear boy frak, is that short for fraction ? Hmmm, must be.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 19, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

OK..But , keep Heyer as valuable modular reserve..

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 10:54 PM

Only if there's nothing better in FA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Since when does it take five years to develop a quarterback? That's just stupid. He had it right at the top: draft that nose tackle. I think the very best way to destroy the development of a young QB is to put him behind a shoddy offensive line, and have him in a lot of games where he has to drop back to pass because the defense isn't stopping anyone. That's precisely why you fix those things first. Then you draft a franchise quarterback that will be starting from day one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 19, 2011 10:45 PM

So then you'd be willing to bypass luck if the Skins problems on the Oline, Dline aren't resolved in this offseason?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

If there I wouldn't mind cameron jordan @ #10, paea @ #41. Put them up front with carriker and the D could improve dramatically.

Posted by: hcic55 | February 19, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

So then you'd be willing to bypass luck if the Skins problems on the Oline, Dline aren't resolved in this offseason?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:16 PM | Report

I think you're insinuating too much or just dealing in absolutes. He didn't say that. If a guy like Luck is available and you need a QB of course you get him. There ain't anybody near Luck in this draft for a QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok , so if all the Republicans won't touch the defense budget, all the NATOs and the UNs are gonna ask, before the secret war-profiteers push the button:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVpUZYTt-rQ

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 I was trying to get a clarification. I have seen several times today people saying build the lines, then draft a qb. As if franchise qbs come along every year. If what you say is what RSH is implying then I can understand the position because there may not be a day one starter in this draft. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a franchise qb that can be selected later in round 2 or 3, who can be developed to start mid year. Moreover, who's to say after the rest of the team is "built" that there will b a day one starter at the qb position at that point?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Looky here, Idiot Scramp and Chia_Pets sock-puppet, ChinaLake, ...

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 19, 2011 10:19 PM |

I ain't no sockpup but if they was bring in IBM's Watson he could probably figure out who is behind each handle here on RI since he seems to understand language patterns pretty thorough. It was interesting to see the dude in action on Jeopardy - each potential response was accompanied by a probability estimate.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 11:30 PM |

I think if Watson was to analyze the content of your posts he might conclude you was deranged.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I ain't no sockpup but if they was bring in IBM's Watson he could probably figure out who is behind each handle here on RI since he seems to understand language patterns pretty thorough. It was interesting to see the dude in action on Jeopardy - each potential response was accompanied by a probability estimate.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 19, 2011 11:35 PM |

No way, he couldn't even understand slang. That one dude answered "the '60's" and it was wrong. Then Watson answered "The 1960's" because he didn't understand the slang of "the 60's."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 I was trying to get a clarification. I have seen several times today people saying build the lines, then draft a qb. As if franchise qbs come along every year. If what you say is what RSH is implying then I can understand the position because there may not be a day one starter in this draft. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a franchise qb that can be selected later in round 2 or 3, who can be developed to start mid year. Moreover, who's to say after the rest of the team is "built" that there will b a day one starter at the qb position at that point?

Posted by: TWISI | February 19, 2011 11:34 PM |

I can understand that. My contention is that we take either an interior lineman or QB in the second...whichever seems a better fit at that pick. There are no gaurantees either way on players. Luck is a no brainer though...if he's there, you take him. Better have the first pick though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 19, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I think if Watson was to analyze the content of your posts he might conclude you was deranged.

Posted by: ChinaLake

ITZ EAZY, SON, I'Z WORKZ FER MAAAA EARRRRTH!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ewhrWW8cc

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

sawright, sawright...HOWZ ABOUT A LITTLE DEATH CITY, SEX AND VIOLENCE_Ah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmOBjHinsrE

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse


Have fun posting to/with yourself frak, you fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 20, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

aND F*** YOU VERY MUCH, FLIP-FLOP, DID i TELL YA , WHEN i DiE,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVncK4FX-rg

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 12:28 AM | Report abuse

So the USFL is making a comeback huh? Wow th

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

So the USFL is making a comeback huh? Wow that old Washington team was awful.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 20, 2011 1:30 AM | Report abuse

O..wait a minute..here's some DOOM-ica!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdSGCiK2KmA

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Beeuuutifool logo on that "Anti-Nowhere League"...

fall,,,

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 1:53 AM | Report abuse

"The police should kill him.."
"I don't know, Steve..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUyKnEiv70Y

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 2:31 AM | Report abuse

you won't be surprised at some of the names on the list of the most hated owners in sports ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/578754-al-davis-and-the-15-most-hated-team-owners-in-sports#page/1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

you won't be surprised at some of the names on the list of the most hated owners in sports ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/578754-al-davis-and-the-15-most-hated-team-owners-in-sports#page/1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2011 2:36 AM |

No way Snyder is more hated then Steinbrenner.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 2:45 AM | Report abuse

scamp, it's the Steinbrenner boys on that list, not their late father. So they have some work to do before reaching the level of hatedness he achieved.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 20, 2011 3:04 AM | Report abuse

you won't be surprised at some of the names on the list of the most hated owners in sports ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2011 2:36 AM |

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$nyder isn't going anywhere and nothing is ever going to change

same as it ever was, same as it ever was

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There have been many sports owners who have been hopelessly inept at running their own teams, but Redskins owner Daniel Snyder might just take the cake.

Since Snyder purchased the team in 1999, the Redskins have gone 86-106, and the team has long since faded into irrelevance. Given that they were one of the most storied franchises in the NFL, this is actually a significant accomplishment.

Along the way, Snyder has done everything in his power to piss off the Redskins faithful. This includes constantly-changing coaches, refusing to develop young players, paying way too much money for over-the-hill free agents and suing season ticket holders.

There are some things that an owner just shouldn't do and Snyder's done all of them.


Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

$nyder isn't going anywhere and nothing is ever going to change


Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 8:44 AM

That's a relief, fool! It means that things aren't going to get worse like lip-lop keeps saying.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse


That's a relief, fool! It means that things aren't going to get worse like lip-lop keeps saying.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 9:05 AM |
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it's not a relief beep, it's more like the cold, hard truth.

while we're at it,

draft d-line with our 1st round and 2nd round picks, then pay attention to the o-line in the lower rounds, and for beep's sake,

SAVE THE WHALES !

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Wes Bunting is one of the few guys I value over Mayock."

Both have their value. Bunting relies a whole lot on conversations with front-line scouts, which means he provides info on a broader range of candidates. Mayock insists on evaluating personally, meaning he's focused on maybe 50-100 players.

When Mayock says he likes somebody, that's his informed opinion. When Bunting reviews someone, he's using info from a bunch of sources.

Take your pick, or take both, or neither.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

draft d-line with our 1st round and 2nd round picks, then pay attention to the o-line in the lower rounds, and for beep's sake,

SAVE THE WHALES !

Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 9:22 AM

Vinny Cerrato: "Draft receivers with our high picks!"

Vinny Cerrato II: "Draft d-linemen with our high picks!"

The draft gives you opportunities which you can't predict in February. You take advantage of those opportunities when they arise. Best player available, especially on a team with so many needs.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse


The draft gives you opportunities which you can't predict in February. You take advantage of those opportunities when they arise. Best player available, especially on a team with so many needs.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 9:48 AM |

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what about the "franchise QB" you were selling yesterday ? we need d-line and there's a good crop of them in this upcoming draft.

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Bitt over the top, last night, didnt it? My Bad!! Woke up dressed like the ragged zombie..Hope we ave a seson and the Skins draft a cropper!! I'll leave you be, peaceout..

Posted by: frak | February 20, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

what about the "franchise QB" you were selling yesterday ? we need d-line and there's a good crop of them in this upcoming draft.

Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 10:01 AM |

Where did I "sell" a franchise QB yesterday? What I said was IF one was there, then we should grab him. You and your role model, Vinnie, think in absolutes. I think about contingencies -- if, then.

We need more than DL. We need DL, QB, WR, LB, OL, FS. IF the best player at #10 is a DL, we should take him. IF the best player at #10 is a franchise QB, we should take him. Etc.

And IF this year free agency is after the draft there is a stronger case for best player. It's a bumper crop of free agents, and you can get good linemen in free agency. Franchise QBs are almost never free agents. You get them in the draft.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse


And IF this year free agency is after the draft there is a stronger case for best player. It's a bumper crop of free agents, and you can get good linemen in free agency. Franchise QBs are almost never free agents. You get them in the draft.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 10:26 AM |

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beep and FA's = cerrato

note: changing folks handle lowers you to the level of monk and playaction, and you're every bit as annoying

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

note: changing folks handle lowers you to the level of monk and playaction, and you're every bit as annoying

Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 10:35 AM |

Taking a tunnel-vision approach to the draft raises you to Vinnie Cerrato's level and you're every bit as simple-minded.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Taking a tunnel-vision approach to the draft raises you to Vinnie Cerrato's level and you're every bit as simple-minded.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 10:39 AM |
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i'd like to see the redskins draft d-line and o-line, something cerrato never did, so your comparison that i'm like cerrato comes up short at best.

this team needs rebuilt, which means almost all the positions and players need evaluations. you can draft a QB next year, but this year we must draft at the line of scrimmage and not talk about it.

remember, the packers have 1 FA, and they don't trade their draft picks. they got rodgers and it took 5 years for the packers to win the SB with him at QB. so go ahead and do what we've done for the past decade beep, and raid FA's out the ying yang, with the same results. or are you numb to the fact that FA doesn't work for most teams ?

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

You are revealing the sins of your father.

Posted by: abxinc

Here, download winamp and click on Mystery Science Theater 3000, they'll help you with your humor deficit handicap..

http://sonic-lux.de/home/projekte/software/shoutcast_tv_lists/web/index.html

Posted by: frak | February 19, 2011 3:37 PM

Unfortunately, I don't click on any link from a sadist that only solves differences with a nuke.

Posted by: abxinc | February 20, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

so your comparison that i'm like cerrato comes up short at best.

Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 10:55 AM |

You are in denial. Cerrato went into the draft saying "We need receivers. Use all the high picks on receivers." You go into the draft saying "We need defensive linemen. Use all the high picks on defensive linemen." You both want to solve the problems one at a time. You both have tunnel vision and you're both simple minded.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse


You both have tunnel vision and you're both simple minded.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 11:40 AM |

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later schlick, have fun developing that franchise QB that is guaranteed to be a sure thing, and let the opposition run over our putrid defense

note: taking the best available player when it's your turn to draft is a can't miss too.

nothing like cerrato, never will be


Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

There are some things that an owner just shouldn't do and Snyder's done all of them.

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 8:44 AM |

Not true. He ain't moved out the way Davis, Irsay, Modell and The Finger did.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

scamp, it's the Steinbrenner boys on that list, not their late father. So they have some work to do before reaching the level of hatedness he achieved.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 20, 2011 3:04 AM |

Oh yes, thanks for the correction. Guess that shows how much I pay attention to baseball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

$nyder isn't going anywhere and nothing is ever going to change

same as it ever was, same as it ever was

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 8:44 AM |

It ain't like the Mets owner Fred Willponzi who may well have to sell the team to reimburse the shtoobs who lost $$$ when Madoff made off with their gold.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

franchise QB that is guaranteed to be a sure thing, and let the opposition run over our putrid defense


Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 11:46 AM |

Now there you go again, hesscerrato. Only you and Vinnie would use an expression like "QB that is guaranteed to be a sure thing." Only sure things are on the D-Line, of course. Why, we already have one of those high pick, can't miss D-Line sure things -- Adam Carriker, 13th overall pick. Hard to understand why we need more D Linemen after we added him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

scamp, it's the Steinbrenner boys on that list, not their late father.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 20, 2011 3:04 AM |

I doubt that. Since the old man passed control to his sons, the young Steinie, Shallow Hal, has given GM Cashman wide latitude and the Yanks have won a WS. In other words, he is the anti-Snyder.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

scamp, it's the Steinbrenner boys on that list, not their late father.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 20, 2011 3:04 AM |

I doubt that. Since the old man passed control to his sons, the young Steinie, Shallow Hal, has given GM Cashman wide latitude and the Yanks have won a WS. In other words, he is the anti-Snyder.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:28 PM |

Get with the program. Your comment doesn't even come close to resembling a coherent remark in the context of what we were discussing. Try to keep up or keep out of the conversation.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Not true. He ain't moved out the way Davis, Irsay, Modell and The Finger did.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:13 PM |

Irsay and Modell are gone but given the way Davis and The Finger look and act it is not too far fetched to think that Goodell might stage an intervention to save both those teams from rack and ruin. I think in is in the league's constitution that something like that can be done but it was put there more for financial and image reasons than owner incapacity.

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:32 PM |

1. F the list
2. F you
3. F effin Nate in the effin PDX

Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 12:32 PM |

1. F the list
2. F you
3. F effin Nate in the effin PDX


Posted by: ChinaLake | February 20, 2011 12:52 PM

You forgot F your mamma in her bored out cornhole and your daughter in her shaven crab box.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

You forgot F your mamma in her bored out cornhole and your daughter in her shaven crab box.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 1:05 PM

Right about the mama, but 17-year-olds don't have daughters. This loser will never have a child unless he's an anonymous sperm donor.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Right about the mama, but 17-year-olds don't have daughters. This loser will never have a child unless he's an anonymous sperm donor.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 1:18 PM |

Yea, you're probably right, maybe his sister/cousin then. And the crab box is probably unshaven...that's what you get when you wing it though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Now there you go again, hesscerrato. Only you and Vinnie would use an expression like "QB that is guaranteed to be a sure thing." Only sure things are on the D-Line, of course. Why, we already have one of those high pick, can't miss D-Line sure things -- Adam Carriker, 13th overall pick. Hard to understand why we need more D Linemen after we added him.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 12:22 PM

Come to think of it, we have another one of those first round, can't miss defensive lineman. I'm thinking of Erasmus James -- "The Eraser". We stole him when Minnesota let him go. He was 18th pick in the 2005 draft, so he should be about in his prime right now. James and Carricker should be two-thirds of our D-Line. Can't see why we need more D-Linemen after we got these first-round sure things.

Good draft strategy, hesscerrato. Just pick D-Linemen in the first and second round. Another advantage of this is that we only have to scout about a tenth of the draft class. Why bother to scout, say QB's, when we know we're going to take D-Lineman?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Good draft strategy, hesscerrato. Just pick D-Linemen in the first and second round. Another advantage of this is that we only have to scout about a tenth of the draft class. Why bother to scout, say QB's, when we know we're going to take D-Lineman?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 1:30 PM

You bring up a point that I was trying to express last night. Just because you draft Olinemen and Dlinemen doesn't mean the problems on the lines get fixed right away. Obviously, players don't work out all he time for various reasons. So, if one is waiting for both these lines to be completely stocked with pro bowl talent, it may take 3, 4 years or longer to get tot that point. At the same time, you can let the Sam Bradfords and Andrew Lucks of the world pass by. Moreover, when you are ready to draft that qb, who's to say a franchise type of player will be there, or that the tea will be in position to draft one. Be flexible, take the BPA while addressing current and short-term needs.

Posted by: TWISI | February 20, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse


hesscerrato.

Come to think of it, we have another one of those first round, can't miss defensive lineman. I'm thinking of Erasmus James -- "The Eraser". We stole him when Minnesota let him go. He was 18th pick in the 2005 draft, so he should be about in his prime right now. James and Carricker should be two-thirds of our D-Line. Can't see why we need more D-Linemen after we got these first-round sure things.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 1:30 PM |

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you can stop with the elementary school schtick. prove your point and move on.

any draft pick regardless of the round is a chance you take dumb ass, anyone knows that. comparing past 1st rounders with draft picks that have yet to be picked is even more dumb ass.

as we've witnessed in the past, FA's aren't a sure thing either.

roll the freakin dice, starting with the d-line and finish up with the o-line. draft a QB next year

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Mallett will be asked about drug use at Combine

Posted by Evan Silva on February 20, 2011, 1:51 PM EST
Allstate Sugar Bowl - Ohio State v Arkansas

In a Sunday blog post, CBS Sports draft analyst Rob Rang pinpoints the question marks Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett can expect to face heading into the February 24-March 1 Scouting Combine. Interviews with NFL teams will be of an utmost importance for Mallett, who is thought to be red flagged for character concerns despite what Mike Mayock calls “unbelievable god-given ability.”

According to Rang, NFL front office members and coaching staffs will interrogate Mallett about his “so-called lack of leadership and reports of illegal drug use.” Rang suggests that Mallett’s ability to respond effectively, or ineffectively, will determine whether the Razorbacks’ all-time passing leader goes in the first round or plummets to the third.

Details of Mallett’s red flags have been scant, though whispers have been there for months. Drug use may have been what NFL Network’s Albert Breer and FOX Sports’ Adam Caplan were alluding to when exposing Mallett’s “off-field issues” and “baggage” earlier this winter.

It’s worth keeping in mind that Rang is not reporting Mallett did drugs in college, but rather passing along prevalent speculation. “Speculation” that will be intensely investigated by NFL teams long before any one of them commits millions of guaranteed dollars to a high draft pick.

Except the Bengals.

Posted by: TWISI | February 20, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"what about the "franchise QB" you were selling yesterday ? we need d-line and there's a good crop of them in this upcoming draft.Posted by: hesscerrato"

There are definitely more D-line guys than QBs, but that's as usual.

The best draft 'strategy' is always to just grab the best player on the board -- there are usually 3-4 candidates with the same grade and you can still find one who 'meets a need', especially when you've got as many needs as Washington does.

The trick, as always, is to draft the 'right' BPA -- one who learns quickly, plays hard, and above all, stays healthy...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"I'm thinking of Erasmus James -- "The Eraser". We stole him when Minnesota let him go. He was 18th pick in the 2005 draft, so he should be about in his prime right now."
Posted by: beep-beep

That's pretty unfair. The Skins didn't 'steal' Erasmus from the Vikings -- they had made it clear they were going to cut him after two injury seasons and only restored his status when Washington offered a 7th rounder for the guy. On the basis of Palermo being the d-line coach, by the way. They thought maybe there was a small miracle awaiting.

There wasn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

you can stop with the elementary school schtick. prove your point and move on.


Posted by: hesscerrato | February 20, 2011 1:59 PM |

That's a good one, coming from you. When have you ever moved on from your Boycott $nyder or SAVE THE WHALES schtick. And right now, you can't let it drop. You keep coming back and posting hoping that you can have the last word.

As for "proving your point" can you prove that your strategy -- "Draft only D-Linemen with your first two picks" -- is the best way to build a team with as many gaping holes as the Redskins? Not very likely, is it, hesscerrato? Your idea of "proving a point" is to say the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.

If you want to move on, then move on. But I can stick with this "I'm getting the last word in" for as long as you can.

And, by the way, your boys monk811 and PlayAction are going to be after you when they realize that you said I'm as annoying as they are. When it comes to annoying, they insist on wearing the crown.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Belichick's strategy -- he accumulates picks because he assumes half of the players drafted won't be with the team in a couple years.

That's how much confidence he has in the scouting process...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I interpret Mike Mayock's comment about Mallett having 'unbelievable God-given ability' as implying that the part of QBing that Ryan is responsible for hasn't been nearly as successful.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Belichick's strategy...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2011 2:17 PM

Be interesting to see how he drafts this year. Doesn't he have a bunch of needs?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse


And, by the way, your boys monk811 and PlayAction are going to be after you when they realize that you said I'm as annoying as they are. When it comes to annoying, they insist on wearing the crown.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 2:16 PM |
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I'll agree with you on that one.

Posted by: hessone | February 20, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Lockout could affect plans Aaron Wilson

Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger are making contingency plans should a lockout transpire.

"Ben and I discussed it," Ward told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "He talked about getting together with the wide receivers."

Per the report, the players have talked about organizing workouts in Pittsburgh or in the receivers' hometowns.

"We have to," Ward said. "It's more for the younger guys. They won't have any workout programs. A lot of those guys have been going since the combine last year, training hard and then going 28 weeks of football."

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With no definitive qb on the team, who assumes the leadership role on offense for the Skins if there is a lockout?

Posted by: TWISI | February 20, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

With no definitive qb on the team, who assumes the leadership role on offense for the Skins if there is a lockout?

Posted by: TWISI | February 20, 2011 2:35 PM

We'll see. That's what leaders do -- they step up and lead. You don't have to ask them to lead.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

And, by the way these player-organized workouts won't amount to much. Guys can't take a chance on getting injured during a lockout. Remember that Malcolm Kelley went on IR last year because of an injury while working out at McNabb's place in Arizona.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 20, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

meep meep for KO

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 20, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Banks is allegedly recovering but two questions.. Why is Shorter being charged so lightly? And why did Gould lie about the extent of his injury?

Posted by: bmac301 | February 21, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

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