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Posted at 6:37 PM ET, 12/23/2010

Redskins, Jaguars hurting in run-up to Sunday's game

By Rick Maese

Though the Redskins are battling their share of injuries, the Jacksonville Jaguars also appear to be hurting in the days leading up to Sunday's game.

Running back Maurice Jones-Drew (knee) and receiver Mike Sims-Walker (ankle) both missed a second straight day of practice Thursday, according to the team's njury report. Guard Justin Smiley (head) and linebacker Justin Durant (groin) also sat outThursday's practice in Jacksonville.

For the Redskins, receiver Brandon Banks (knee), defensive end Kedric Golston (goin), safety Kareem Moore (knee) and linebacker Brian Orakpo (groin/hamstring) all missed Thursday's practice.

Linebacker Lorenzo Alexander (hamstring), safety Reed Doughty (head), guard Artis Hicks (back) and linebacker Rocky McIntosh (hamstring) were limited in practice.

By Rick Maese  | December 23, 2010; 6:37 PM ET
Categories:  Brandon Banks, Brian Orakpo  
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Every team is banged up and they want to go to 18 games.

They need to expand rosters and have two bye weeks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

I had a different idea in mind for the week’s effort, but had to bench it for an inferior idea. Time to weigh in on McNabb. I was in the minority regarding his trade – I didn’t like it. Not because I expected McNabb to have a bad year, but because we had bigger problems. This edition is not an “I told you so”.

Back when I was a young pup, we had an annual QB controversy over Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgensen. At one point, SJ9’s career in DC was on the razor’s edge. He’d have just one chance to perform in a preseason game or he’d be done in DC. He did fine and after the game, Warner Wolf said something simple and pretty darn smart. He said that SJ9 is a QB who has proven himself over 15 years to be one of the best in football. It made no sense to determine his fate over what happened in a single a preseason game.

Warner was right about SJ9, and in a different context, I’m going to use the same logic with McNabb. He has had a bad year. Like SJ9, McNabb has proven that he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Not by his play in DC this season, but by his body of work. This season is the exception in McNabb’s career.

McNabb isn’t young, but he isn’t at an age where QBs drop off a cliff. When we made the trade for him, I looked at what happened with comparable QBs at the same age. They had an average of 4 seasons left as a primary starter, and those seasons were evenly distributed between QB ratings that were bad (below 80), fair (80-90) and good (above 90).

I’m not buying that he is a bad QB. He is a good QB having a bad season.

I had not made a decision on whether I’d want Donovan back in 2011, though I was leaning against it. The downside is that McNabb is incredibly expensive and we have other needs. The upside is we have no QB who has ever demonstrated anything near the ability of McNabb. If we are going to have a good QB in 2011, easily our best chance would be for McNabb to rebound. Up until the divorce papers got served late last week, it wasn’t a far-flung scenario.

Grossman deserves credit for playing well, especially after the shaky start. Top QBs execute in the red zone and make clutch plays like 2 point conversions. He did both. A late drop by Moss cost the Skins a win. Kudos to Rex. But …

It is also just one game and not Grossman’s norm. His body of work says he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. We’ve all seen 1 game wonders (clint longley) and 1 season wonders (Derek Anderson).

Warner Wolf ‘s criticism was about misguided judgment. He railed against using the ‘what have you done for me lately” standard. Shanahan apparently felt that 13 games was enough to figure out McNabb wasn’t worth it, ignoring a lengthy a track record of success. McNabb had done too much right over too many years to be so casually discarded.

That is a wrap of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

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Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Redskins’ Jerermy Jarmon, Adam Carriker fight in weight room

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 23, 2010, 6:46 PM EST

Step aside, Albert Haynesworth vs. Mike Shanahan and Donovan McNabb vs. Kyle Shanahan. The dysfunctional Washington Redskins have a new feud.

Redskins defensive ends Jeremy Jarmon and Adam Carriker got into a fight in the team’s weight room, multiple media outlets are reporting.

Kelli Johnson of Comcast Sportsnet reports that Jarmon and Carriker fought after practice, and it took about 10 people to break it up.

Jason Reid of the Washington Post quotes one veteran as saying, “Yeah them boys got to rumbling in the weight room.”

There’s no word yet on what caused the fight, or what exactly transpired. I’d put my money on the 6-foot-6, 311-pound Carriker beating the 6-foot-3, 286-pound Jarmon by decision.

UPDATE: Rich Campbell of the Free-Lance Star reports that Carriker and Jarmon exchanged only words, with no pushes or punches. That’s a little hard to square with the report that it took 10 people to break them up.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

At least they didn't fight on the field in the middle of a game like the Titans players.

This sh-t happens all the time but way to make a big deal out of nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, biggest loser in the whole McNabb debacle?

Fletcher Smith. McNabb is his paycheck and Donovan has plenty of money. Kyle Shanahan has a long career ahead of him and his daddy is plenty rich already.

Smith, however, is losing his meal ticket. That 10% commission (or whatever the rate is) on Donovan making $15mil a year ... gone. Donovan won't see anything close to that in 2011.

My guess, Smith wants the Skins to pay Donovan every last $$ he could be owed.

And he wants Donovan released immediately.

As silly as it sounds, I know at least 1 team that would likely pick up the tab for him tomorrow (or Monday). The SF 49ers. If SF wins vs StL this week, they'll have a good chance to make the playoffs. If Donovan is going to rehab his reputation, an underdog playoff role might be the perfect opportunity.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Snore. McNabb is great at improvising when plays fall apart. Its been a rough fit in an offense that supposedly has plays there and on time before they fall apart and require improv. Too many three and outs. The offensive line that Grossman was playing benind isn't that different than the one McNabb was playing behind for 13 games.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

And he wants Donovan released immediately.

As silly as it sounds, I know at least 1 team that would likely pick up the tab for him tomorrow (or Monday). The SF 49ers. If SF wins vs StL this week, they'll have a good chance to make the playoffs. If Donovan is going to rehab his reputation, an underdog playoff role might be the perfect opportunity.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:00 PM |

zce,

Thats not going to happen it makes no sense for the Skins to realease him now.

They will wait for a trade offer or release him late in the offseason.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Update: Sources confirm that either Carriker got peanut butter on Jarmon's chocolate or Jarmon got chocolate in Carriker's peanut butter. Details at 11.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Update: Sources confirm that either Carriker got peanut butter on Jarmon's chocolate or Jarmon got chocolate in Carriker's peanut butter. Details at 11.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2010 7:10 PM |

dc,

I thought Carriker said taste great and Jarmon said less filling.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Snore. McNabb is great at improvising when plays fall apart. Its been a rough fit in an offense that supposedly has plays there and on time before they fall apart and require improv. Too many three and outs. The offensive line that Grossman was playing benind isn't that different than the one McNabb was playing behind for 13 games.

Posted by: dcsween

improvising is a big part of McNabb's success. When the issue of throwing mechanics came up, I wondered why McNabb used the motions he did -- and then it occurred to me. When McNabb sets up to pass, he's also setting up to move.

McNabb's throwing mechanics hurt him in a variety of situations, but they help him when a play breaks down. When your #2 WR is James Thrash, its probably a good idea to be able to avoid getting hit and freelancing to make a play.

One of the issues I raised when he first showed up was how dependent Donovan was on his ability to run. Not sure if he's ever been top 5 in QB rating in his career. But his running allowed him to be successful. However, at this point, his running abilities are more modest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

At least they didn't fight on the field in the middle of a game like the Titans players.

This sh-t happens all the time but way to make a big deal out of nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

It's nothing if it's isolated.

Guess what, Redskins troubles aint isolated.

This year alone, it follows the Haynesworth mess, the McNabb fiasco, the #32nd defense, and a 5-11 or 6-10 season, the FA flops, etc etc etc. Did I mention the squandering of draft picks that continues unabated?

This team is so freaking dysfunctional even its defenders are forced to point fingers and say 'well at least our guys fought in the locker room, not on the field.

Posted by: TheCork | December 23, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, it had to have been one of the age old controversies: creamy v crunchy, Coke v Pepsi, John v Paul, Miss Teen South Carolina v Sarah Palin, manual transmission v automatic, Flanders v Homer, shirts v skins, staples v paperclips, and such and such. When a man wants a fight, doesn't matter what its about.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

zce,

Thats not going to happen it makes no sense for the Skins to realease him now.

They will wait for a trade offer or release him late in the offseason.

Posted by: Flounder21

No one is trading for him because that means they get the contract -- and no one wants that contract.

Not sure what the upside is for us to keep him here -- to be the #3 QB sounds like a pretty thin reason.

I think the agent knows there are no more $$ coming from the Skins -- might as well make a huge stink -- daily headlines until you release him.

Not that I like the parallel to Albert, but supposedly Shanny seemed relieved when that finally ended. Smith might want to try the same tactic ... make Shanny deal with it daily until Donovan gets set free.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"There’s no word yet on what caused the fight, or what exactly transpired. I’d put my money on the 6-foot-6, 311-pound Carriker beating the 6-foot-3, 286-pound Jarmon by decision." ~ Smith

Clearly, Smith hasn't heard about the size of the fight in the dog...

Regardless of that hoo ha, the Skins better sandbag this game if necessary, to keep improving those draft picks. And may those (few) teams with a lesser record meet with great success this weekend.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 23, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

sween, you left out the hatfields and mccoys. that feud is never ending.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 23, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, this is a game this week. SMH Go Jaguars!

Posted by: Neisha_H | December 23, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, it had to have been one of the age old controversies: creamy v crunchy, Coke v Pepsi, John v Paul, Miss Teen South Carolina v Sarah Palin, manual transmission v automatic, Flanders v Homer, shirts v skins, staples v paperclips, and such and such. When a man wants a fight, doesn't matter what its about.

Posted by: dcsween

"Miss Teen South Carolina v Sarah Palin ... When a man wants a fight, doesn't matter what its about."

Nice

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan's Response To Donovan McNabb's Agent

Posted Dec 23rd 2010 7:23PM by Matt Terl (author feed)

Donovan McNabb's agent Fletcher Smith released a statement today, ostensibly to "clarify some misinterpretations". For purposes of this statement, clarifying misinterpretations seemed to be pretty much synonymous with "expressing his frustration with Mike and especially Kyle Shanahan". If that paraphrase doesn't sum everything up to your satisfaction, you can read the entire statement over at CSNWashington.com.

This evening, Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan issued this response:

"As I stated earlier, when I traded for Donovan McNabb I had hoped that he would lead us to the playoffs. No one wanted him to be more successful than me. When the team was 5-8 and mathematically out of the playoffs, I made the decision to evaluate our other two quarterbacks. This was not personal, but strictly professional. The decision was made in the best interest of the Washington Redskins and I stand by my decision. I will attempt to talk to Fletcher Smith directly to clear up every one of his misconceptions."

I'm sure we'll have plenty more about this tomorrow. Ah, Christmas Eve at Redskins Park.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

zce,

I wasn't saying keep him next year, the Skins don't have to make a choice on keeping him until the day before the first game of next season who is going to want him then.

If someone wants him in there training camp they will have to trade for him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

zce,

I wasn't saying keep him next year, the Skins don't have to make a choice on keeping him until the day before the first game of next season who is going to want him then.

If someone wants him in there training camp they will have to trade for him.

Posted by: Flounder21

They may want Donovan, but no one is going to want his contract.

My guess is that Shanny was fine getting into a pissing match with Albert, he's a classless loser. Doing that with McNabb is a different story. Get Smith to ask for his release and then let him go.

The divorce is final, its time for the parties to move on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 23, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

My recollection about the details of the McNabb contract were that it was actually a good deal if he performed badly ... and fair market value if he performs well. So if a team wants McNabb on an 'it is what it is' basis, it would be a good trade.

Posted by: dcsween | December 23, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Look for Donnie Mac5 to end up in one of (3) places: Arizona, Minnesota or San Fran - hopefully we get at least a 3rd round pick for him..possibly Alex Smith on the backside from San Fran. Signing him to the long term non-guaranteed contract kept the trade scenario alive, otherwise he was free to walk. Failing that...What about Fat Albert to the Fightin" Titans for Vince Headcase?
Anybody that has played football has seen or been in a "dust up" with a teammate, no big deal. It is the "see all - tell all" media snipes that put the negative spin on these occurrences, I guess they NEVER exchange words over work related issues and if they did Who Cares! It is usually O-Line vs. D-Line or players competing for the same job. Most coaches actually prefer to see some form of tension rather than watching a bunch of Zombies go through their paces.

Posted by: rdstr93 | December 25, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

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