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Players Welcome End of Camp

Breaking news: Camp is over! Camp is over!

If you think that's not a big deal, even to the guys who have been through this time and again, consider the way the last two-a-day practice ended Thursday afternoon at Redskins Park.

Chris Cooley and Clinton Portis mock wrestled to the ground, fake-punching each other for the television cameras. Albert Haynesworth gathered up a barrel-full of rookies and taped some to the goalposts, others to each other. Jim Zorn came up behind Cooley, who was doing an interview, and tried to drive his hand into Cooley's (previously sore) back, eliciting only a smile.

"It's over!" defensive end Andre Carter said. "It's all over with. This is my ninth training camp. You expect the good, expect the bad, and you expect the ugly, and we got it all."

In general, players said this training camp was smoother and, therefore, more productive than the 2008 version, the first under Zorn. The team heads into its second preseason game, Saturday against Pittsburgh at FedEx Field, almost completely healthy, with only tackle Mike Williams, reserve running back Anthony Alridge and guard Devin Clark likely to be unavailable.

At this point, all the angst about injuries to the offensive line (Randy Thomas, Stephon Heyer, Casey Rabach, etc.) seems eons ago, because all the starters will be ready to go against Pittsburgh.

Also due to play in their first game of this preseason: running back Clinton Portis, top wideout Santana Moss, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and cornerback Carlos Rogers.

"I'm really pleased," Zorn said."I think we've accomplished a lot more than we could've last year because everything was such a start-up, and this year, the core of everything has been the same. The players kind of knew what to expect. We pushed a lot offensively to try to increase the schemes of things -- and we did. Our defense just became more seasoned, if you will. And I think our players appreciated a little more rest in a couple of situations. We gave them just a complete rest and a weight-lifting morning, which was different than last year. I think we did what we had to do. We worked really hard, but we kind of saved our guys. We had very little major injury situations come up. I think our guys are more ready for this football season."

After Saturday's game, the flow of the week fundamentally changes. The team will go through a walk-through practice on Monday morning, and its full-squad workout will be at 1:30 p.m. That, players said, changes the way they feel about work.

"I think the first nice thing for me is that I don't have to wake up and get into the locker room at 7 o'clock to be ready for practice," said Cooley. "You can kind of show up and have some meetings and have a cup of coffee, and kind of get on with the normal schedule. It's definitely nice to not have to be ready and come out twice. It's a big portion of your day. When we're spending five hours out there working, it's tough. It's tough on all the guys. It's been three weeks straight of this. We're excited to be done."

There is a balance, though, even for the veterans who are assured of spots, to keep pushing themselves even as the work gets old.

"It was a real good camp, even though I missed a week of it," Thomas said, and then he snuck in a sly, "Heh, heh," as if he purposely missed practices with a balky knee. He did not do so voluntarily.

"This can't get old," he said. "I'm always fighting for my spot. You relax, that's when they call in somebody to replace you."

"There's always gonna be those dog days mornings, those dog day afternoons," Carter said. "You got to fight through them, and you got to teach the young guys to fight through them."

With training camp over, yet still 25 days until the Sept. 13 season opener at the New York Giants, the Skins now turn their attention to improving their performance on the field, particularly after last week's 23-0 loss at Baltimore.

"I think it's not only in our offense, it's our defense," Cooley said. "We took a lot of criticism last week, from everyone -- from our head coach, from the fans, from everyone. We know we have a huge challenge ahead of us even though it's a preseason game and a lot of guys think it's a practice, we still want to go out and do our best, and we want to have a good game against the Steelers."

Whether they do or not, they'll return next week to the regular flow of a work week, with two more preseason games (vs. New England and at Jacksonville) remaining, and a step closer to the regular season.

By Barry Svrluga  |  August 20, 2009; 5:02 PM ET
 
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Comments

1st

Posted by: tdskinz | August 20, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

1rd

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

NOT 1ST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAYBE 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,OR 10TH !


Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler lacked "it." Jason Campbell does not.

Posted by: psps23
_________________________

Really? Leaf & Shuler are the standards against which you'll decide if JC is acceptable? Can the bar get any lower?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"I'm really pleased," Zen said.

---------

Hallelujah!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN
____________________________

Yes, someone has it. Next question?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"I think the first nice thing for me is that I don't have to wake up and get into the locker room at 7 o'clock to be ready for practice," said Cooley.

By Barry Svrluga | August 20, 2009; 5:02 PM ET

Something about getting up in the morning seems to be a problem for the TE's on this team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, someone has it. Next question?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:23 PM

Who has it ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Good preparation for facing a team with eight or ten injuries to their starting D?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 4:54 PM |

The Steelers starting D for their game with the Cards last week:

DE 91 A.Smith
NT 98 C.Hampton
DE 90 T.Kirschke
LOLB 56 L.Woodley
LILB 51 J.Farrior
RILB 94 L.Timmons
ROLB 92 J.Harrison
LCB 24 I.Taylor
FS 25 R.Clark
SS 43 T.Polamalu
RCB 22 W.Gay

Did Pro Bowlers Polamalu, Farrior and Harrison all get injured this week? Or were they injured when they started a meaningless game last week?

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 20, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujah!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:23 PM

Hallelujah is so Joe Gibbs/Handel's Messiah. Under Coach Zorn it's "Hip, hip, hooray." More Gilbert and Sullivan.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And do we know whether this game at FedEx will be considered a home game for the Redskins or the Steelers?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"It's not my fault that the stats actually do back it up."


Numbers don't lie.

What will be interesting is how the FO reads the info you've posted--great info, I might add, as it's rocked all the chatta this afternoon.

On paper, Campbell looks like a slightly inaccurate but capable quarterback with smallish receivers who have an occasional problems with the dropsies.

But in the FO's eyes, he's not the game-winning, media star starter that defenses fear and the girls giggle after.

That final point is what matters to the FO.

And that's no lie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email add ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Who has it ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN
__________________________

Someone.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"The End of Camp"


The end of camp means the start of cutdowns.

This situation guarantees some guys will play balls out Saturday.

So the 1st assignment is: Submit your 'guys on the bubble' list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Hip, hip, hooray!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Leaf & Shuler are the standards against which you'll decide if JC is acceptable? Can the bar get any lower?

Posted by: chasgiffen"

No, Leaf and Shuler are the examples of the QBs that lacked "it".

I have a feeling this is going to develop into some major sports philosophical argument regarding the merits of "it", so I'll try to keep it short.

"It" is not a measure of the caliber of a player. "It" is a characteristic that's necessary to succeed at a given level. Once you have "it", that's all there is. You can't get more "it", and you can't get less of "it." Either "it" is there, or it's not.

Ryan Leaf lacked and Heath Shuler lacked "it." Brad Johnson and Joe Montana did not (and yes, I purposefully used opposite ends of the spectrum there).

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:30 PM


Thanks !


That still doesn't asnwer this question!

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

My name is Marko Mitchell and I'm on the bubble.

I do catch footballs against the 1st team defensive backs in practice.

If I do it in the pre-season, Coach Zen would be silly to not have me on the 52.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:30 PM
_________________

Thanks !

That still doesn't asnwer this question!

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN
_________________________

Were you frustrated with my answers? Were they annoying to you? Any lightbulbs going on for you now?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

1. Ask his ISP
2. We know in this case that ADD does NOT stand for attention deficit disorder, as you continue to focus on Marty's e-mail address. Keep up the good work.
3. What are you going to do when and if you GET his e-mail address? Are you like the dog that keeps chasing cars?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

53

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler lacked "it." Jason Campbell does not.

Posted by: psps23

"It" must be based top ten appearances. JC17 is on my Top Ten List of NFL Players Who Look Like Lionel Richie. HOF! Championship!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that's concerned that our "D" won't live up to everyones expectations? We did lose a couple key players and chemistry is soooo important. If we don't have a top 5 "D" the "O" will REALLY have to step it up a notch.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | August 20, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Good preparation for facing a team with eight or ten injuries to their starting D?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 4:54 PM |

The Steelers starting D for their game with the Cards last week:

DE 91 A.Smith
NT 98 C.Hampton
DE 90 T.Kirschke
LOLB 56 L.Woodley
LILB 51 J.Farrior
RILB 94 L.Timmons
ROLB 92 J.Harrison
LCB 24 I.Taylor
FS 25 R.Clark
SS 43 T.Polamalu
RCB 22 W.Gay

Their starting D for the SB:

DE 91 A.Smith
NT 98 C.Hampton
DE 99 B.Keisel
OLB 56 L.Woodley
LILB 51 J.Farrior
RILB 50 L.Foote
OLB 92 J.Harrison
LCB 24 I.Taylor
FS 25 R.Clark
SS 43 T.Polamalu
RCB 20 B.McFadden

There are three new names on the starting D for the preseason game that weren't starters for the SB. One of them is a starter because McFadden flew the coop in the offseason. Let's say that the other two are replacements for injured starters. That means there had to be a minimum of six new injuries in one week's time to the starting D for the phrase "a team with eight or ten injuries to their starting D" to make sense. Highly unlikely. Or that there were starters that played the meaningless preseason game against the Cards injured. Highly unlikey. Plus none of the Steelers Pro Bowler starters, Polamalu, Farrior and Harrison, sat out the Cards preseason game and I didn't see anything about either one of them being injured in the past week.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | August 20, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Are you like the dog that keeps chasing cars?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 5:42 PM

No. He's like the pizza delivery guy waiting for his shift to start.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that's concerned that our "D" won't live up to everyones expectations?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | August 20, 2009 6:04 PM

No, you're not. This is RI. As you know, we worry about everything. I wouldn't say that this is on anyone's list of top 10 worries, though. That list would probably be:

1. O Line
2. Jason Campbell
3. Injuries
4. 2nd Year receivers
5. Orakpo at SLB
6. Jim Zorn's Offense
7. Jim Zorn's Play Calling
8. Jim Zorn's Team Management
9. Jim Zorn's Game Management
10. Vinnie Cerrato, in general

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:34 PM

If I order a Large, Meat Lovers, with breadsticks and a litre pepsi, how long before you can deliver it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

September 1, 2009 - Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players.

September 5, 2009 - Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

According to many economists, losing 250,000 jobs in the month of July is a sign that the recession is over.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 5:16 PM

If they're government officials, they don't have a clue. If economists said it, then the recession is over. So, hip hip hooray, the recession is over.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Damn you, sween! I almost had periculum's record for most consecutive posts. Are you working late or what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:34 PM


Martin.Smith@Emeryfed.com

Now go away.

Posted by: p1funk | August 20, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

psps,

Interesting stats on Campbell.

How many game winning, 4th quarter drives has JC engineered?

A good QB is able to withstand adversity: untimely drops by his wideouts, sacks, hurries, false starts, etc...

A great QB wins games, under great duress, when it matters most.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Actually, Campbell DID do pretty well in close games in the 4th quarter.

1. NO, down 24-15 after 3, 2 TDs, incl game winner 67yder to Moss
2. AZ, tied at 17 after 3Q, throws game winning TD pass to Moss
3. dal, 2 4th Q drives for FG, which put us up 9pts, win by 2
4. phil, led by 2 after 3Q, a TD drive puts us up 9pts, win by 6
5. Rams, down 9 after 3Q, score 10 points to go up 1, lose by 2
6. Cle, up 4 after 3Q, throws TD pass to Moss to go up 11, win by 3
7. Sea, tied at 17, game winning FG drive, win by 3
8. SF, down 7, game tying TD drive, lose by 3

8 games where we scored late. 6 wins, 2 losses. In the 2 losses, we scored with less than 2 minutes, but got beat on last play of the game FGs when the defense failed.

In the 4th quarter with the game on the line, Campbell was good. And oh yes, in these close games, how many did he lose by making a key turnover in the 4th quarter?

Not sure what more people want. He isn't Montana or Elway, but by any reasonable measure, Campbell played well with the game on the line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, the answer to the FJZ guy's question is:

YES

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

YES

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 6:37 PM

It's been tried already, Zeke. But he's rejected it. The fiend won't take "yes" for an answer.

I can't overtake periculum for most consecutive posts on a thread, but I'm still in the running for most inconsequential posts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

you can try Marty.shotenheimer@redskins.com or the one I always get a reply from 12RideHotMarty@hotmail.com

Posted by: murphyz | August 20, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I can't overtake periculum for most consecutive posts on a thread, but I'm still in the running for most inconsequential posts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

You can't be wrong all the time

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, technically there are 53 spots on the Redskins' final roster, but one of them is always allotted to Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 20, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Suprise pro bowl selection from the skins this year... Rocky McIntosh 102 tackles 4 sacks and 3 picks. You heard it here first.

Posted by: murphyz | August 20, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Suprise pro bowl selection from the skins this year... Rocky McIntosh 102 tackles 4 sacks and 3 picks. You heard it here first.

Posted by: murphyz | August 20, 2009 7:23 PM

And last. Wish you were right, but....

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, technically there are 53 spots on the Redskins' final roster, but one of them is always allotted to Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 20, 2009 7:00 PM

Gotta admire a guy who can still find a fresh slant on Leigh Torrence -- the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

That's just NateinthePDX being NateinthePDX, t_e. It is what it is.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 20, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to read this dialogue everyday, especially this time of year. Overall, it shows how smart our WR fanbase really is. We don't just wait to be fed, we hunt it down and bring it back for the rest.

I agree w/ the ignore the FJZ guy...she has a Marty bobblehead doll shoved up her @$$ so far it is crowding the Mr Spock "action figure" from a convention back in '86. If we Report Abuse every time will the site take her out?

Posted by: gufinufi | August 20, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Ruthlessbooger has injured an ankle in the Stillers final training camp practice, so no doubt now he's out for Saturday... Bummer, I wanted to see Prince Albert and Rakpo high-low him.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"My name is Marko Mitchell and I'm on the bubble."

Bubble guys I'd like to see on the roster:

Antonio Dixon
Edwin Williams
Marko Mitchell

Marko will make it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, you funny.

Posted by: rgj21 | August 20, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I hate FUX Sports.

I like how Indy runs the 'smoke screen': linemen to playside slant away from the wide side of the field while backside linemen downfield block.

I creates more space underneath for the slot guy swinging free.

Oooops I forgot people don't like scheme talk.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Question, just how big is the practice squad? And is Chase Daniels still on the roster?

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Question, just how big is the practice squad? And is Chase Daniels still on the roster?

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Question, just how big is the practice squad? And is Chase Daniels still on the roster?

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Question, just how big is the practice squad? And is Chase Daniels still on the roster?

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The practice squad holds 8 and yes.
The practice squad holds 8 and yes.
The practice squad holds 8 and yes.
The practice squad holds 8 and yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

rgj21

"MistaMoe, you funny."

In what context?

I don't post 'funny' stuff.

I post whatever runs through my mind, something which, like a colon, squeezes out whatever brown goodness I put in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I've heard from a reliable source that MistaMoe is in fact Marko Mitchell.

Srsly, I think Marko Mitchell might be a great pickup and I think, if we keep him around a couple years, he'll be a very solid if not good WR.


I hate to do it, I'm not expecting much from the Skins this year, but I gotta give our FO credit. Our offense has sucked and we've gone and got Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, Fred Davis, and now Marko Mitchell, along with entertaining the idea of trading/drafting a better QB....they're trying.

And our DL this year should be really good. I think right now our weak point is coaching, but I think we gotta give Zorn this year, next year, and then probably the year after. If we're still stuck at 8-8, time to cut 'em loose.

But I think we're headed on the right track and I think we have some really, really good youth to build around.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 20, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

on, has there been ANYTHING about Chris Horton? I haven't heard anything about him at all the whole offseason. Is he still progressing?

I fear that he reached his peak last year. Yes, it was a surprise find for such a late draft pick, but it would be nice if we could count on him to lock up one of the safety spots and keep progressing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 20, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

P Manning throws the ugliest accurate ball inthe league.

J Campbell throws the prettiest inaccurate ball in the league.

How's that?


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

thetruth

"I've heard from a reliable source that MistaMoe is in fact Marko Mitchell."

Why do I like guys like M Mitchell.

Watch R Wayne tonight--while he's on the field--and think of what the skins offense would look like with two 6' 4" long-bodied recievers in Kelly and Mitchell supporting the likes of a Cooley in his prime.

Add a confident, re-signed Jason Campbell or drafted Sam Bradford to that mix, and BAM!!!: instant offense!

(Maybe.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell sucks.

I wouldn't hate drafting McCoy or Bradford next year.


Bradford/McCoy + Chris Cooley + Devin Thomas + Malcom Kelly + Fred Davis. I'd be comfortable if we wanted to give that group 3 years to grow. We'd need another RB or two as well.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 20, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

That still doesn't asnwer this question!

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?
Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse
_________________________

Who wants to know?

Posted by: Xlnt | August 20, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Sly and the Family Stone... way ahead of their time. 60's blend of funk and rock set the path for all others.

By the way...

Rick James...dead
Richard Pryor...dead
Michael Jackson...dead
James Brown...dead
Elvis Pressley...dead

SLY...still alive! all those drugs he did!

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

thetruth11

"Jason Campbell sucks"

This opinion notwithstanding, he's the starting quarterback.

The team has to use what its got to get what it wants: Campbell has to manufacture offensive production in some unspecified quantity or he's gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"SLY...still alive! all those drugs he did!"

He's alive because he did all those drugs on the sly.

Plus, the right amount of cocaine will make you so awake and numb that you can be dead and not know it.

Don't believe me?

Ask Mick Jaggar.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

...and for some it has an embalming or preservative effect.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, technically there are 53 spots on the Redskins' final roster, but one of them is always allotted to Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 20, 2009 7:00 PM

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Sounds good.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Ade Jimoh deserves a permanent spot on the 53 man roster as well, leaving us with a 51 man roster.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I had never heard that JC looks like Lionel Richie, but by gosh, he's Lionel Richie's doppleganger, or vice versa.

Hello, is it me you're looking for?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I never put my 2 cents worth in on the Plax sentence. He didn't get enough. The minimum is 3 1/2 years, that's what he should have got. The fact that the idiot shot himself has nothing to do with the law. The law states that carrying an unlicensed firearm in New York is a crime punishable by 3 1/2 years in jail. The result of him carrying doesn't matter. Whether he shot himself or just dropped the gun on the floor in front of a cop doesn't matter. He did the crime, he should do all the time like you or me would have to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Ade Jimoh deserves a permanent spot on the 53 man roster as well, leaving us with a 51 man roster.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:24 PM

Let's not forget Antonio Pierce.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello!

I've been alone with you
Inside my mind
And than my dreams I've kissed your lips
A thousand times
I sometimes see you
Pass outside my door

Hello!

Is it me you're looking for?
I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile
You're all that ever wanted
And my arms are open wide
Because you know just what to say
And you know just what to do
And I want to tell you so much
I love you

I long to see the sunlight in your hair
And tell you time and time again
How much I care
Sometimes I feel my heart will overflow
Hello!
After got to let you know
Because I wonder where you are
And I wonder what you do
Are you somewhere feeling lonely?
Or is someone loving you?
Tell me how to win your heart
For I haven't got a clue
But let me start by saying I love you

Hello!

Is it me you're looking for?
Because I wonder where you are
And I wonder what you do
Are you somewhere feeling lonely?
Or is someone loving you?
Tell me how to win your heart
For I haven't got a clue
But let me start by saying I love you

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and for the record, I don't particularly agree with the law itself, but unfortunately for Plax it is the law.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok, but Lionel Richie has another song, and it's called...

"Goodbye"

I wanted you for life
You and me
In the wind
I never thought there come a time
That our story would end
It's hard to understand
But I guess I'll have to try
It's not easy
To say goodbye.

For all the joy we shared
All that time we had to spend
Now if I had one wish
I'd want forever back again
To look into your eyes
And hold you when you cry
It's not easy
To say goodbye

I can remember all those great times we had
There were so many memories, some good some bad
Yes and through it all
Those memories will last
Forever

There's peace in where you are
May be all I need to know
And if I listen to my heart
I'll hear your laughter once more
And so I got to say
I'm just glad you came my way
It's not easy to say
Goodbye

Goodbye

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

He did the crime, he should do all the time like you or me would have to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:29 PM

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Benjamin Brafman, Plax "I Gotta Go To Jail Now" Burress' attorney, disagrees.

Brafman called the case "a perfect example about how bad judgment can have very serious consequences," and said Burress was treated more harshly because he is a celebrity.

"If Plaxico Burress were not a high-profile individual, there never would be a case," he said. "If he were just John Q Public he could have walked out of the club and he never would have been arrested."


Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"If Plaxico Burress were not a high-profile individual, there never would be a case," he said. "If he were just John Q Public he could have walked out of the club and he never would have been arrested."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:37 PM |

If I got paid as much as he does to defend criminals I would say that too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and did he walk out or was he carried out? Probably had to be helped out because there was a BULLET IN HIS LEG.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, good point about the bullet wound to his leg, but in my professional opinion, the rush of adrenaline to Plax "I Gotto Go To Jail Now" Burress' head would likely have enabled him to walk outta da club under his own power, or with a little help from his friend, the aforementioned Antonio Pierce.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Roethlisberger injures his ankle during practice.

Roethlisberger didn't talk to reporters, but he could be overheard saying, "Oh it just feels great. It feels like a car ran over it."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Can Goodell require that Brad Childress wear an NFL isssued toupee with Viking logo?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Can Goodell require that Brad Childress wear an NFL isssued toupee with Viking logo?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

What he said: "If Plaxico Burress were not a high-profile individual, there never would be a case," he said. "If he were just John Q Public he could have walked out of the club and he never would have been arrested."

What he meant: "Because he's not a celebrity, John Q Public would not have been allowed in the club wearing sweat pants, especially if security knew he was armed as they did with Plax. Then he would not have shot himself after having several comped drinks."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget War, they were a great 70's band, and does anyone remember Mandrill, and Brass Construction?

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Slave, and "Slide", but George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic were the S#@t!

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I saw George Clinton and P Funk at Midtown Music Festival in Atlanta. That was awesome.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

George Clinton and crew will be in my neck of the woods in October along with some other 70's funk bands, think I'll go.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Fencewalk stil rocks even though I never knew what they were saying.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I hope our boys come out and ball Saturday night, it would be nice to see at least 21 points on the board, win or lose.(I'd prefer a win)

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Fencewalk was the s*&t, remember the guy in the band who was a Ron"Superfly"O'Neal look a like?
Doggone House of Wood, was one of their cool slower tunes.
Man those were the days, what a different time and vibe it was back then.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The best 60s-70s r/b band chatta was a couple of threads ago.

But no matter what folks say about the groups they like, not a one can touch Philip Bailey, Verdine White, Maurice White and the Phenix Horns of Earth, Wind and Fire.

They had the egyptology based designed album covers, the hits from "Saturday Night" thru "Devotion" ending with "After the Love is Gone".

I'll skip songs like "Singasong," "Can't Hide Love," "Shining Star," "September," and "Getaway".

"Gratitude" is one of the best albums of any kind of music period.

They had a girl group in "The Emotions" that had hits.

"Boogie Wonderland" is their worst song, but with the right amount of drunken women around, it will get you up on the floor.

No r/b group has an album like "All 'n All" where the group put its full sound--funk, soul, disco, jazz, brazilian-junk band--on display.

Sorry for the rambling post.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Oooops: I forgot "Reasons"

How can you forgot Philip Bailey's falsetto carrying a song where a man argues in a woman's tone that a couple should stay together?

I'm out.

mrsmoe says we got reasons to go to sleep.

I told her if she's lucky, the 'reasons' might last about three minutes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Been busy so I just got wind of the 60/70's band chatter, I can still throw my 2 cents in can't I?

Everybody knows EW&F is the cream of the crop when it comes to the 70's bands, I like their early stuff probably more than some of their later more well known stuff, remeber when they had the female lead?

Moe, even though we'll never see eye to eye when it comes to politics, I guess you aren't half bad after all.LOL!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 20, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Can I get some Graham Central Station?

and...

Bootsy!!!

"I'd rather be with yoo...hoo...yeah____"

fill in the rest

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'd say the blog is in midseason form.

Good show.

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

EWF is my all-time favorite group. Fantasy, Serpentine Fire, Way of the World, Devotion, September, Reasons, etc etc ... I'm totally old school.

Their current show, with Chicago -- is worth seeing. They do individual sets, then several songs together. Not too often when you get 20 musicians on stage at once, with 6 brass instruments playing together. Amazing sound ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 21, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

amaledemocrat wrote today in RICK MAESES' article about LONDON FLETCHER......."Fletcher is a good football player but not great enough for the ProBowl. He is a scheme player who executes well and makes plays. I do remember when we played the Patirots most recently and he was 'taken out' and knocked over many times. The Pats knew to be effective they had to take London out, and did. A ProBowl linebacker wouldn't have been manhandled like he was. Again, he is a very good player but is not among the league elite."

To this I reply.....What was said about the PATRIOTS by amaledemocrat is true. I saw a hat assigned to FLETCHER on almost EVERY N.E. offensive play. The PATS won't be able to get away with that this year however.

Their strategy all game was to let ANDRE CARTER rush wide, seal off CORNELIUS GRIFFIN inside and send the TE or a guard into the LB zones to neutralize FLETCHER. With DANIELS back, and HAYNESWORTH taking double teams on the other side, there won't be time or the luxury of dropping a man off blocking assignments to take care of a LB. They are going to have their hands full just trying to get to the line of scrimmage on runs, and keeping the integrity of the pocket on pass plays.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 21, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

A-h-h, bring back MARTIN MAYHEW.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 21, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

GLAWRENCE, what are you TALKING about? ARE YOU game planning for the Redskins' matchup against the PATRIOTS? Because we are playing them in a PRESEASON EXHIBITION game which won't count for DIDDLY SQUAT.

And if you are trying to project the strengths and weaknesses of the 2009 REDSKINS DEFENSIVE SCHEME based on a game the Redskins played against the Patriots BACK IN 2007, I just don't know what to SAY.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 21, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

From John Corcoran's shockingly optimistic new column about the Redskins...on NFL Draftdog.om

“As you know, I’m no fan of Dan Snyder or EVP Vinny Cerrato, and I’ve been pessimistic about the ‘skins hopes for years.

 And how optimistic can one be after a 23-0 pasting? Well, more than I thought I would be. Here’s why…."

Maybe it was the Lobstuh?

You can read it at:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | August 21, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Add a confident, re-signed Jason Campbell or drafted Sam Bradford to that mix, and BAM!!!: instant offense!

(Maybe.)

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Hey Moe (said in Stooges voice)... did you forget we need an O-LINE????

Although as I've said before, we absolutely should pursue one of the stud 2010 QB's, if they're the real thing (i.e. considered so by several top NFL evaluators, not just by Vinny/Danny). We CAN do this and also significantly build the O-line next offseason.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 21, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

If they're government officials, they don't have a clue. If economists said it, then the recession is over. So, hip hip hooray, the recession is over.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Who? Geniuses like Jim "buy me some more of that stuff" Cramer?

Posted by: TheCork | August 21, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"It's a big portion of your day. When we're spending five hours out there working, it's tough. It's tough on all the guys. It's been three weeks straight of this. We're excited to be done."

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No comment.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 21, 2009 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Who? Geniuses like Jim "buy me some more of that stuff" Cramer?

Posted by: TheCork | August 21, 2009 1:06 AM |

If you know their names, then they're not economists. Anyway, Cramer's a Harvard lawyer and a self-described infotainer -- as in infomercial.

But did you happen to catch what he recommended last night? I've got $400 from the 8,000 share of Six Flags I managed to sell, and I'd like to recoup the $16,000 loss. I'm not trusting 4th Floor's picks this time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 21, 2009 5:57 AM | Report abuse

NATEinthePDX:

Stay where you are my man. In the PDX.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 21, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

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