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Brennan vs. Daniel: Who Would You Take?

There are any number of ways to consider the personnel at quarterback. Let's start with a simple Colt Brennan vs. Chase Daniel poll.

The preseason lines:

Brennan: 7 for 17, 85 yards, 41.2 completion percentage, 0 TDs, 2 interceptions

Daniel: 6 for 8, 58 yards, 75 completion percentage, 2 TDs, no interceptions

By Cindy Boren  |  August 24, 2009; 11:13 AM ET
 
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Comments

whoah!

I'm not saying Betts is bad, quite the opposite! He looked better than I was expecting on Saturday. And that's great.

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Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 11:12 AM


So....HE looked great when he couldn't convert on that 3rd & 1 from the 2 yard line?

Seriously, I really don't think you guys watched that 1st drive. The drive wouldn't be SJK w/o Rock's run a CP's legs...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

...Hopefully by midseason, Collins will be in at starter and we can use Kelly more on deep routes.

Posted by: ronnieb1212 | August 24, 2009 8:46 AM

LOL! Collins throwing deep? Great stuff, keep it coming!

Posted by: Alan4 | August 24, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"Oh - and Colt vs. Chase"

I'm sorry, there's no comparison.

I watched the replay of an '07 OU v. Mizzou game (Sam Bradford, M Kelly played for OU and Daniels, J Maclin Mizzou)and Daniels played very well against top notch competition.

Thing is, Brennan's last college game against LSU exposed his arm (yes, he was injured) and with this being in his second year on an NFL roster, his play whould be improved.

And it isn't.

Add Marko Mitchell and Chase Daniels to the roster, please: and if Collins is ineffective in the event of a Campbell injury, let Daniels keep the spot should he get healthy.

I think the kid can play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 24, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse


Colts last game was against UGA i believe, diffrent SEC team, and yes afterward he had to get hip surgery after he got sacked around 8 times I think.
Daniels showed a lot more for me out of college then Colt ever did, think daniles would be a much better option going foward.
MARKO MITCHELL executed an endzone fade pattern something ive wanted to see for the last decade. if that dude dont make the team I will be pissed.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 24, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | August 24, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan and Chris Cooley are buddies, so I'm not sure where Chase Daniel fits in.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Why did Colt call CHASE out in a CC interview after the game !


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone has Colt email ADD ?

Someone needs to let him know its over!

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Betts threw in a couple of nice runs on Sat. That goalline shabingus was the Coarche's fault and he said as much. Maybe CP woulda brought that ball in, but he was jammed up but quick.

It shoulda been heavy jumbo there anyway,..
./..maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

seriously, are you saying you're comfortable counting on him? and BTW forget about in the event that CP goes down, how about just having somebody who can actually run the ball coming in when Portis needs a breather instead of DRIVE KILLER BETTS. I used to love the guy, but he's done. Did he get you your FIRST piece or something ??!!

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 11:11 AM

First of all, I earn my own pussy. Always have.

Back to football...I seem to remember a guy wearing #46 rushing for 1100+ yards a couple years back after CP got hurt. Coulda sworn his name was Ladell Betts. Look it up.

And neither one of us can say that he's still that guy 3 years later because he's not had the opportunities since then.

But remember this: most RBs need multiple carries to get into a rhythm. Betts' style of play requires him to get 15-20 carries to be effective. There aren't many RBs out there that can contribute significantly with only 5 carries.

But I'm sure that makes too much sense to you. Why put in an experienced veteran who can contribute on 3rd down and special teams when you can put in an undrafted slappy who can't even run with the starters in the preseason?

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 24, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

And Chase vs. Colt

Sure, you have to give Chase credit for being the ONLY productive QB this preseason. But there are two games left. The decision is yet to be made.

Chase in the lead tho, fo sho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

So if he gets major work against the Patriots and Jags (assuming he'll take some carries against first and second stringers), and produces, what will be your excuses then?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 11:23 AM

None. I would love for some younger guys to step up to the forefront. But they have to EARN IT. I'm opposed to cutting established vets for undrafted slappies simply because they're younger. Unless you're rebuilding (which the Redskins REFUSE to do), that's not wise.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Alan4- Did you not watch any Redskins games in 2007? Collins throws deep and he he does it very well. Remember the 27-6 win over Dallas where Collins threw that bomb to Moss, or when he hit Chris Cooley and Moss in the Vikings game? Yeah, don't even get me started.

Posted by: rachel216 | August 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I am not ready to annoint Chase as the 3rd string QB quite yet. He had one decent game - strike that - quarter. Conversely, I think Colt had better get his head in the game. He seems way to eager to get in front of the cameras. He needs to remember that he cannot take anything for granted and this is a league of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If we can keep CP around another 2-3 years we will be OK at RB.

But long term the team needs to get a thunder and ligntning type backfield behind him, not just fresh legs but really 2 change of pace guys, 1 bruiser for goal line and the scat back.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Chase has what the call "IT". Listen to his interview on SportsTalk980.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Betts is a solid backup... He is a true professional and a real redskin. Never been a problem, always has done what hes been told. I think its a shame to cut a man like that as he provides an example to the team, especially the young guys on how to be a football player in this league.

However, the man just doesn't have the same drive anymore. Brownwood I agree that most rbs take 15-20 carries in a game to truly get into rhymthm and make a difference in the game, however Betts simply does not have a nose for the endzone, and as a 3rd down back, you have to have that. Consistently, we have put him in there on the goal line and just as consistently, he has failed at it. He is not quick and he does not have the ability to break a big run. He can move the chains and run decent draw plays... but other than that he just doesn't have it anymore.

I wish we could keep 4 rbs, because Betts does not deserve to be cut, but that is a luxury this team cannot afford and so sadly, I do think it is time to cut the man and let one of the young guys... mainly MASON who continues to prove that he has the ability to play in this league. Betts is a solid backup rb, but he is 30 and at some point, even tho we never do this, you gotta think about the future... especially with CP getting up there in age and number of hits hes taken. Mason can ball and its about time we give him a chance before someone else does and he becomes a star for them...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he hasn't shown you anything because he hasn't got on the field -- with a real game plan and everything. And I don't know that he'd have any value as a trade, because of his age. He's about at the end of his career.
You know where he has value? Washington.
Posted by: Samson151 | August 24, 2009 11:18 AM

I agree with you Samson….I was being sarcastic….someone said Betts hadn’t shown anything since the season when Portis went down as a reason to trade him….

YOU DON’T CUT/TRADE YOUR BACKUPS BECAUSE THEY “haven’t done anything lately”….MOST backups don’t do anything until the starter goes down. That is WHY YOU NEED THEM ON THE TEAM. I guess we should cut Rhinehart, Collins, Doughty, Fincher, Brennan, Heyer, and anyone else who doesn’t have “starter” type stats.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Alex, you can get RBs outta the draft, tho. So when it's time for Crisco to move on, so be it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones should build a giant tv with seats to watch, and have the Cowboys play on a desert island..We'll call the gigantic HDTV the "Blue Monster", like Fenway..Then we'll build our new stadium like a miniature golf course, with windmills and bridges and streams..It'll be a blast!!

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

rachel... I'm sorry but Collins arm is about as strong as mine. The man is a career backup for a reason. I like him, and think he is a decent backup qb, but he seriously cannot throw a deep ball farther than 45- MAYBE IF HE REALLY CHUCKS IT 50 yards. Remember that our wr... Haggens can throw it 65... so I mean stop this Collins as a savior talk... I'll get you started anyday, you are wrong his arm is weak.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Well hell Brownwood. What was I thinking. Based on your logic and what guys have done years ago. Why are we even having this conversation?? We oughta just bring Riggo back cuz he had way better numbers long ago..

The reason he hasn't had opportunities is because he is always HURT and INEFFECTIVE. What team have you been watching the last 2 years??

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
I agree, we need to draft a few good RB's in the next few seasons. Rock CP and LB are gonna be hanging it up eventually, and I like the guys, they are good but its the nature of the game.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones should build a giant tv with seats to watch, and have the Cowboys play on a desert island..We'll call the gigantic HDTV the "Blue Monster", like Fenway..Then we'll build our new stadium like a miniature golf course, with windmills and bridges and streams..It'll be a blast!!
Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 11:40 AM

That stuff was funny the other night……punts hitting his new jumbo-tron…..and Jones quoted as blaming the Titans punters for actually trying to hit it. It would be very very funny if the league finds that the screens are too low and makes him do something about it…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:37 AM

The most sincerest way to say someone sucks......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

We may want to get an ex arena league kicker/punter for our one game a year at Dallas. Someone who is used to kicking around a score board.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

4th I try...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

YOU DON’T CUT/TRADE YOUR BACKUPS BECAUSE THEY “haven’t done anything lately”….MOST backups don’t do anything until the starter goes down. That is WHY YOU NEED THEM ON THE TEAM. I guess we should cut Rhinehart, Collins, Doughty, Fincher, Brennan, Heyer, and anyone else who doesn’t have “starter” type stats.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 11:38 AM


As a #2 RB, you are expected to perform in some regular aspects with in the regular offense.

Betts has showd he can only do it when he starts. You can cut and trade (if u have a trade partner) any player, any time. Betts time maybe now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Since, let's be honest, neither of these guys (Brennan and Daniel) is - or is ever likely to become - starter-quality material in the NFL, the question's one of bang-for-buck, isn't it? Even if they're roughly equal as players, which seems reasonable to assume, Daniel's pay scale is probably quite a bit lower as an undrafted rookie free agent, which has to give him an edge over Brennan. That's before you add in things like Brennan's irresponsibility with the ball, Daniel's mobility - which makes him useful to help the starting defense simulate going against mobile quarterbacks - and Brennan's hideous Planet of the Apes beard. Daniel better fits the profile of a #3 quarterback: scrappy, humble, (so far seemingly) careful with the ball, and athletic enough to perhaps take advantage of the general chaos that ensues whenever a starting quarterback goes down in an NFL game.

Posted by: manalive | August 24, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Also, looking at other backups around the league... it is not necessary to get even 10 carries to make a difference. Look at the Giants, they had 3 rbs last year that were all extremely effective no matter how many carries they got... how is that you ask? Simple... they have talent and drive to be good. They have different types of backs who change the speed of the game, making it difficult for the defense to adjust and they have guys who want it.

Betts knows hes not going anywhere. He doesn't have the fear of being replaced pushing him anymore, and he doesn't have the desire to replace CP since he knows thats not gonna happen. Mason/Dorsey both have the fear of being cut, the fear of not making it, as well as the desire to replace someone. They want it and they will work for it. Not only that, but both have the speed to change things up, to speed the defense up and force them to react faster/ thus making a mistake.

It is sad, but Betts will make this roster on reputation/contract/snyder alone. Not at all because he deserves it. Not at all because he is the best player. Frustrating, and until we can start bringing in youth to push the veterans, and really make the starters think they are replaceable... we will not become a good team. We are tooooooo complacent on this team and its time we start bringing some accountability to our starters and established backups...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he hasn't shown you anything because he hasn't got on the field -- with a real game plan and everything. And I don't know that he'd have any value as a trade, because of his age. He's about at the end of his career.
You know where he has value? Washington.
Posted by: Samson151 | August 24, 2009 11:18 AM

I agree with you Samson….I was being sarcastic….someone said Betts hadn’t shown anything since the season when Portis went down as a reason to trade him….

YOU DON’T CUT/TRADE YOUR BACKUPS BECAUSE THEY “haven’t done anything lately”….MOST backups don’t do anything until the starter goes down. That is WHY YOU NEED THEM ON THE TEAM. I guess we should cut Rhinehart, Collins, Doughty, Fincher, Brennan, Heyer, and anyone else who doesn’t have “starter” type stats.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report


Ladell has been put in the game the last couple of years and has received enough touches for the coaches to decide that he's better standing on the sideline with his helmet off. We use to have effective RB's coming off the bench and it worked well. Remember Kelvin Bryant or Joe Washington? They brought a spark that moved the chains. When was the last time you saw LB come in and add something?? So why are we keeping him ?? I have nothing against the guy but he ain't doing anything when he gets the opportunity so replace him. I'm tired of the status quo and mediocrity. Aren't you??

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

let Colt and Chase both play a Quarter with the Skins first unit going against the opponent's first unit the next two preseason games..
Its the only way to judge their abilities in the regular season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 24, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

JC needs a good pass catching RB, we have any of those?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

CP26 thinks Mason should make the team.
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone been impressed with Todd Collins? Any thoughts on him not making the squad?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Betts simply does not have a nose for the endzone, and as a 3rd down back, you have to have that...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 11:37 AM

Sounds like you're describing a GOAL LINE back, not a 3rd down back. You want your 3rd down guy to be a bit shifty and have good hands to catch the ball and/or pass block. Betts won't make a lot of guys miss, but he can do the latter. He's about the same size as Portis, so nobody's expecting him to be a mauler on 3rd and short.

Let me reiterate: I'm ALL FOR a youth movement at RB, and Portis shouldn't be excluded. But I'm against replacing established vets with below average options just because their birth certificates are newer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

There are thousands of unsold Colt Jerseys in inventory....

Colt stays..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

There's a 0% chance that they cut or trade Betts. That just isn't going to happen, and I'd put $1000 dollars on that.

I wish I had the time to go back and look at comments from last pre-season to see what insane ideas people were coming up with then. Pretty funny that people get so worked up over some third stringers that play only during the pre-season

Posted by: -swb | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I think the question is off-base. I think it should be keep Collins or go with the kids? I feel far less comfortable with Collins coming in to replace JC than either of the youngins.

Posted by: imageaid | August 24, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

As a #2 RB, you are expected to perform in some regular aspects with in the regular offense.

Betts has showd he can only do it when he starts. You can cut and trade (if u have a trade partner) any player, any time. Betts time maybe now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 11:49 AM


You have no idea what you're talking about !!
Check out J-Z latest interview VIDEO !


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"It is sad, but Betts will make this roster on reputation/contract/snyder alone. Not at all because he deserves it. Not at all because he is the best player. Frustrating, and until we can start bringing in youth to push the veterans, and really make the starters think they are replaceable... we will not become a good team. We are tooooooo complacent on this team and its time we start bringing some accountability to our starters and established backups...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 "

That's another problem with not having a legit GM and going the "Syderatto Way"..Snides tends to get all sentimental and fetishistic with his vets, he won't cut his buddies..There's no reason Colt and Chase can't make it as starters in the NFL, but we need to see what they've got with the first team..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- New York Giants defensive end Chris Canty, who has yet to play in the preseason, has a small tear in his hamstring, an injury coach Tom Coughlin called "serious" Sunday

"Not progressing the way we want it to," Coughlin said of the injury to Canty, a a fifth-year free-agent pickup from the Dallas Cowboys who last practiced Aug. 7.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

brownwood and beantown,

Did you guys watch the game? I watched it twice. Mason is a better runner of the football than Betts and Cartwright. He has better field vision, he's quicker to the hole, and faster in open space. If hole isn't there, he puts his head down and makes something out of nothing. Betts does not make quick decisions and he's not particularly fast. Mason is a the scatback this team craves. His problem is that he doesn't play special teams.

Brownwood wrote:
Back to football...I seem to remember a guy wearing #46 rushing for 1100+ yards a couple years back after CP got hurt. Coulda sworn his name was Ladell Betts. Look it up.

And neither one of us can say that he's still that guy 3 years later because he's not had the opportunities since then.

Have you asked yourself why that has been the case?

But remember this: most RBs need multiple carries to get into a rhythm. Betts' style of play requires him to get 15-20 carries to be effective. There aren't many RBs out there that can contribute significantly with only 5 carries.

Tell that to Leon Washington, Sproles, Jonathan Stewart, Chester Taylor, Chris Johnson/L White, Bradshaw - need I continue? Since Betts is a back up, he's not going to get carries in the numbers he requires to get it going. He should be kept on the team is the emergency "RB in a glass" - if Clinton goes down he's the starter. But Mason or Dorsey plays the 3rd down back. Sound like a plan?

But I'm sure that makes too much sense to you. Why put in an experienced veteran who can contribute on 3rd down and special teams when you can put in an undrafted slappy who can't even run with the starters in the preseason?

Draft position has nothing to do with someone's ability. It is just a reflection of what someone thought of them when they were eligible for the draft.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Please explain to me how Mason is a below average option again Brown? I'm confused. All hes done is dominate the preseason, and I agree its PRESEASON... but isn't that what your supposed to do to earn a roster spot? The veterans think he has it, they've all said so, and he has proven it time and time again, even vrs 1's and 2's... Betts simply does not. I am not describing a goal line back I am describing a backup/3rd down back. If you are going to have your backup in the game... on 3rd down at the goal line he needs to have a nose for the endzone... he has to have the drive and desire and Betts does not, I am sorry.

I like the guy, read my posts about him... I really do. But it is time we show this team that mediocrity will not pass. Betts is living off 2006 and it is time he puts up or shuts up and he just cant put up anymore.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone been impressed with Todd Collins? Any thoughts on him not making the squad?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM

I use to want to cut him. But, I retrack all my previous statements about that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As a #2 RB, you are expected to perform in some regular aspects with in the regular offense.
Betts has showd he can only do it when he starts. You can cut and trade (if u have a trade partner) any player, any time. Betts time maybe now.....
Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 11:49 AM |
He does perform in some regular aspects when spelling Portis and is recognized as the 2nd best pass protector on the team behind Portis and supposedly has better hands. While I agree that he shouldn’t necessarily be a “designated 3rd down back” and is not a change of pace guy, we need him if Portis goes down. Period. I don’t care if Dorsey or Aldridge becomes the 3rd down scatback ahead of Betts, but I don’t trust that anyone on the team right now except Portis and Betts are going to get you 1,000 yards, or be on pace for 1,000 when they get the starts…

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

both, Daniel and Brennan -- Over Collins.

rachel, I thought you only post on gamedays. fib, fib, fib... unless you meant any team's gameday. There is a game tonight.

Reeeeeeepost:

bean, you know what I'm saying... stop playing clueless.

Betts every year is hyped up as "the under the radar" dude, and every year he does sh**! I mean, what is your infatuation with Ladell f'n Betts?

And don't tell me, he doesn't get enough carries. Betts gets carries and you know what happens? He gets stoned at the LOS or gets a bs 2 or 3 yard gain. What is so irreplaceable about that? And shame on you for using Betts' stats from 2006... to paraphrase you: that was TWO years ago!

For all the hatred you display about past acquaintances or past facts and stats, you sure do use Betts' numbers in 2006 as a reason why he shouldn't be cut. Again: That was TWO years ago!

And Rock Cartwright? Well you can't pull stats from TWO years ago on this dude, so what is your excuse of why he should be kept? His all universe like special team stats?

The Redskins need to start the youth movement, and guys like Dorsey and Mason are hungry, damn near starving. Let the youngins' eat...

Posted by: RedDMV

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Cult or Chase? Can't I pick T. Brady instead? Or is he tied up somewhere?

Posted by: jakfish | August 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

swb... i agree that there are a ton of crazy ideas on this blog, some down right stupid. However, Betts being replaced it not crazy. It will not happen, I know, but it should. He is not the player we think he is, and he is not a backup rb. Maybe he'd be a solid starter, but he simply is not a backup, especially for this team. He is extremely similar to CP now, now that CP has slowed down some and yet he still isn't as fast as CP, nor does he have the vision that CP does. We have young guys who can handle the position and its time we take a chance on one of them.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone been impressed with Todd Collins? Any thoughts on him not making the squad?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Too bad if Collins is Cut.....The last time he started in regular season games (Dec 07), he went undefeated and was the number one rated QB for that month, even ahead of Brady. And subsequently the NFL player of the month.. He equalled Jason's 40+ yards completions in just 4 games versus JC's previous 12 games..
But, he's old..and may be cut..

Just cant imagine Colt or Chase being Jason's direct backup.. Maybe next year.. But, not 2009??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Since Betts is a back up, he's not going to get carries in the numbers he requires to get it going. He should be kept on the team is the emergency "RB in a glass" - if Clinton goes down he's the starter. But Mason or Dorsey plays the 3rd down back. Sound like a plan?
Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 24, 2009 12:02 PM

Yes! I would like to echo this and add it to my 12:06 comment.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The reason he hasn't had opportunities is because he is always HURT and INEFFECTIVE. What team have you been watching the last 2 years??

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 11:35 AM

The same one that only gave Betts 93 and 61 carries respectively. The one that had Portis break down in the 2nd half of the season from being overworked. Betts has a history of picking up nagging injuries, but rarely is it something that'll keep him from suiting up (at least since Gibbs 2.0).

Let's just agree to disagree. You live in a world where you'd like to give undrafted scrubinis play time and I live in a world where I'd rather pick the devil I know. Let's just hope the Skins draft a RB next year and get rid of all the guys we're talking about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 24, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins may be our starter before this season is over - and not due to a JC injury. He's more reliable than JC. He isn't all that great but its what we have to work with. Keep Collins and Chase and find somebody who can start for us next year cuz Soup is outta here!!

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I will say this... Betts can pass block. He is solid there, so why not have him stay on as a rb's assistant coach? He knows how to play the game... yet just cant really do it himself?? That's coach material right there... Any thoughts

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone been impressed with Todd Collins? Any thoughts on him not making the squad?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 11:59 AM

Collins is the only player, other than JC who's thrown a pass in a regular season game. That's a good thing in a backup. These other two are not ready to be backups. Maybe they have "more upside" although that's questionable, but right now they haven't brought the upside and they have a lot more downside.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Betts 1,000 yard season has been rendered irrelevant when talking relevance.....

Todd Collins is starting to creep up in my head, but I'll wait until the 3rd preseason game....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Brown,
But we need the team to waste a bunch of 2nd day picks on LB's that will not make the roster. If we pick a RB that screws up the plan.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Just cant imagine Colt or Chase being Jason's direct backup.. Maybe next year.. But, not 2009??


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM "

Why not?? Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I dont want to get rid of Mason tho. I like Mason. He is solid and actually could become a decent rb in this league.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh and that "bomb" Collins threw to Moss, Moss was damn near wide open. More like a lob than a bomb.

I could throw a lob.

When you have to put zip on a "bomb" Collins shows he can't do it. This was evident when he was picked not once, but TWICE in the Seattle game that SkinsNeed claims that Heyer alone, with his own play cost the 'skins a win.

smh at some of the posts up here. To understand:

Collins is a beast, has a cannon (cannon) attached to his shoulder...
Betts and Cartwright are a-f'n-okay. They've just been oppressed all these years...
The play from Campbell isn't a concern.

wtf..

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood. I'm good with that. That being said I'd like to see somebody else get those 60-90 carries so we can see what they can do because Portis is still gonna get the carries and he should until he's ineffective. Thats not gonna change. If Betts needs 150 carries a year to be effective than its just keeping our best RB out of the game. We need production out of those 60-90 carries is my point.

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse


swb... i agree that there are a ton of crazy ideas on this blog, some down right stupid. However, Betts being replaced it not crazy. It will not happen, I know, but it should. He is not the player we think he is, and he is not a backup rb. Maybe he'd be a solid starter, but he simply is not a backup, especially for this team. He is extremely similar to CP now, now that CP has slowed down some and yet he still isn't as fast as CP, nor does he have the vision that CP does. We have young guys who can handle the position and its time we take a chance on one of them.
Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 24, 2009 12:08 PM

That’s exactly why we need to keep him on the roster…..what happens if CP goes down? Who you gonna start? Cartwright? Mason? Aldridge? These guys are young, yes, but starter quality? Not in my opinion……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This is a great line:

"Betts 1,000 yard season has been rendered irrelevant when talking relevance....."

I am for whatever can help us score more that 13 points a game at this point.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"It is sad, but Betts will make this roster on reputation/contract/snyder alone. Not at all because he deserves it. Not at all because he is the best player. Frustrating, and until we can start bringing in youth to push the veterans, and really make the starters think they are replaceable... we will not become a good team. We are tooooooo complacent on this team and its time we start bringing some accountability to our starters and established backups...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 "

That's another problem with not having a legit GM and going the "Syderatto Way"..Snides tends to get all sentimental and fetishistic with his vets, he won't cut his buddies..There's no reason Colt and Chase can't make it as starters in the NFL, but we need to see what they've got with the first team..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:01 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well said Peoplearestupid1 and Frak..

Last Repost.. Promise..

Why are other NFL franchises more successful than the Skins in personnel development??

The Pats (who I am not a fan of since spygate) are a good example of how a team should be built and remain competitive.

They play the better player, not the size of their Contract.

I think Snyder is the driver for this Redskin modus operandi...... Its a classic business case of "return on investment".. And Snyder wants his ROI...
Thats why Collins didnt start last year (makes about one tenth of JC)... Even though he was clearly the better QB.

Pats HC Belichick always states in the media, that the player that "wins" practice, plays on Sunday. Regardless of Contract size.
This is why the Pats always uncover and develop new talent.... Belichick learned this when he was Parcell's assistant.. And look what Parcell's has done the last 18 months with the Dolphins...same approach.

And it is probably why Redskin's players never seem to show the same passion as other teams... Why try to succeed if the guy playing ahead of you stays or has the edge, due to his Contract size?
This Redskins management problem is well known among the league's head coaches.. And it is most likely why the likes of Spags and others didnt want to be the Redskins Head Coach.

It will be interesting to see the upcoming Cuts.. Last year the two top performing players in preseason were cut.. Mullen at WR and Mason at RB.. Not much invested in them.. And not selected in the Draft...

Will Zorn man up and make a stand this year and say, forget the Contract size or Draft position, lets keep and play the best players?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"I wish I had the time to go back and look at comments from last pre-season to see what insane ideas people were coming up with then."

If I remember correctly, last season it was Smoot and Rogers under the gun. We even had posters absolutely ASSURED that we needed to draft a CB in the 1st round because we, apparently, had no depth, and Rogers and Smoot were no better than 3rd or 4th corners on an average defense.

This season, it seems that Betts and Randle El have won over the preseason crazies as the center of attention.

Early prediction for the 2010 preseason crazies? Rocky McIntosh and Cornelius Griffin.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If Colt gets cut, I bet an NFC East rival picks him up just to suck the playbook out of him, like the Giants did with Hasselbeck..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

LH,

Even if I grant you Mason being a better RUNNER than Betts, how is his other skills? Can he block? Catch out of the backfield? And I'm still waiting to see him play against starters in a preseason game (if he did vs. Pittsburgh, I only saw part of that game...watching in on NFLN later today).

And of the backs you listed, those guys get way more carries than Betts. Tennessee and Carolina are smashmouth teams that are gonna run it at you a lot and they can have two guys carry it 15 times apiece. The Skins have no such commitment to the run. And the smaller guys like Washington and Sproles do most of their damage on special teams.

And I never said those undrafted guys can't play because they're undrafted. I'm saying that there's a reason the undrafted kids aren't playing against starters. Which is the same reasoning you're feeding me for Betts not getting a lot of time in the regular season.

So again...I'm not opposed replacing some of the older RBs on the roster. I'm all for getting younger. I just want viable options, not undersized "just-a-guys" who are obvious camp bodies.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Portis broke down last season because the offensive line broke down.

To quote sergeant Barnes in the movie 'Platoon': (In southern drawl) "When the machine breaks down, we break down."

And the reason that Betts got 61 and 93 carries the last two years is because when he gets carries, he fumbles the ball or he gets jammed at the line. Especially the goal line.

I'll give you credit on Betts though brown, he does every now and then gets 2 or 3 yards on a carry.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If Colt gets cut, I bet an NFC East rival picks him up just to suck the playbook out of him, like the Giants did with Hasselbeck..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why anyone would care really. Its not like anybody has had a problem stopping our offense!!

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Betts as blitz picker-upper and pass pro is the best argument for his importance. But at this point I am like, F it...roll the dice on somebody else....I am sick of status quo.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

How about a new article called "Chase vs. Jason"???

Posted by: mharris3 | August 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Our playbook has been studied by every d-coach since about 1983. And there in lies one of the big problems..

F the WCO

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok peeps, I'm outta here. HAIL!!

Posted by: scottmando | August 24, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

How about a new article called "Chase vs. Jason"???


Posted by: mharris3 | August 24, 2009 12:22 PM

There is a interview with JLF talking about CHASE AND COLT.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Seiously, people. Colt was just as exciting (even more so) in his preseason games last year. It's a rookie thing.

According to reports, Chase knows very little of the playbook and had a few specific plays he has been working on. The pass to Marko was one of them. Colt has had to learn the system this year unlike last season when he was in the same position as Chase.

Plus, Marko made that play - not Chase. It was Marko's incredible leaping ability that ensured the TD.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 24, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Our playbook has been studied by every d-coach since about 1983. And there in lies one of the big problems..

F the WCO

Posted by: chrislarry "

WCO seems to work better with a mobile QB like McNabb or Garcia..Still think we should have tried to get Garcia..Maybe Daniel will be the answer, lets see him with the first team..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

psp,

didn't the debate on CB get addressed by ADDING a CB during the season, DHall?

... so much for crazy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Our playbook has been studied by every d-coach since about 1983."

It seems to me like Zorn clearly opened up the playbook to start last game. That ball must have traveled 60 yards when Polumalu got a hand to it, and Moss was also easily 25-30 yards deep on a route as well. I can't ever remember a play like that being run last season. And Pitt certainly didn't expect it.

Campbell missed the pass, which is bad, but Zorn opened up the field, which is definitely a step in the right direction.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy about Marko Mitchell's progress so far.

As for QB, I'll wait and see what JC does with a full half (and maybe part of the third quarter since this is the third preseason game, the one where the starters generally play longest) until I pass judgment.

But if he's still struggling, I think the nail-biting should commence.

And I think Zorn should be quick with the hook if JC falters come the regular season. Collins can still play.

That is all.

(for now)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone eaten lunch YET ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: john24 | August 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

QBs

JC17
Collins
Cult (Daniel to PS)

RB

CP26
Mason
Rock

HB/FB/TE

Sellers
Cooooley
Sleepy
Yoder

WR

Moss
ARE
MK12
DT11
Marko

OLine

Sameuls
Heyer
RThomas
Dockery
Rabach
Bridges
Reinhart
EWilliams
Clark
Montgomery

DLine

Haynesworth
Griffin
Daniels
Carter
Jarmon
Alexander
Montgomery
Gohlston
Jackson/Wynn

LB

Orakpo
Fletcher
Blades
Rocky
Wilson
Henson
Thomas/Fincher

Secondary

CR22
DHall
Smooooot
Tryon
BArnes
Dirty30
Horton
Doughty
Moore

Special Teams

Swiss Ham
Hunter Punter
Red Snapper

Practice Squad

Daniel
Cody
Doug Dutch
Buzbee
Shelton

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"That ball must have traveled 60 yards when Polumalu got a hand to it, and Moss was also easily 25-30 yards deep on a route as well. I can't ever remember a play like that being run last season"

You must not remember well then, b/c a pass like that won the Saints game...I saw that play a bunch last season, often with the same results as the play Saturday night.

A few bombs does not a open playbook make....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Tru dat, Lis!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

dear god everyone please stop with the whole chase vs. colt. Chase played ONE quarter, and even though he was pretty effective that doesn't warrant any kind of crazy "he's going to take the third roster spot" talk. Im sure everyone remembers how well Colt played in his preseason debut, Daniel is having the same sort of opening. We need to wait and see how they both play next game before everyone decides to jump on the Chase Daniel bandwagon, that will more likely than not fall apart before we see any real production out of him.

Posted by: supergrl63 | August 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Double Doug Dutch"

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

chase vs/ colt...

its too early to tell but based on the commentators and coaches feedback...

chase makes good decisions with the ball...colt does not!!!

if that continues, its a no brainer...chase!!!

Posted by: deadskin | August 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"didn't the debate on CB get addressed by ADDING a CB during the season, DHall?

... so much for crazy.

Posted by: DikShuttle"

Except the 2 guys that got reamed during preseason, Rogers and Smoot, weren't the ones that got tossed aside in order to pick up Hall.

And, interestingly enough, they're still in the exact same position they were in last preseason.

So yea, crazy.

Just like it's crazy to talk about cutting/trading Betts and Randle El because the team wants to upgrade the RB and WR position. To do that, you subtract players that don't produce with ones that you hope will -- not subtract players that do produce for ones that you hope will.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

4th, looks good except for that rb area.....haha....I think Wynn could be sent packing however, in the essence of keeping possibly, buzbee, or Jackson.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Reword the poll: "Brennan, Daniel, Collins: Who Would You Cut?"

37 year old Todd Collins is not the short-term or long-term answer. Brennan and Daniel may not be either, but if Collins is in the game then chances are we're not gonna light it up and win a bunch of games. And yeah, I know he led us to a playoff run before... in a different offense, two years ago. Had it not been for him memorizing Al Saunders' offense for 10 years then we probably wouldn't have won all of those games.

I'd cut Collins and hope one of the kids steps up if Campbell gets hurt or is ineffective. And if Campbell walks next season you at least know if you have to start over from scratch.

Posted by: countystyle | August 24, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

And I think Zorn should be quick with the hook if JC falters come the regular season. Collins can still play.

That is all.

(for now)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 12:30 PM

You have no idea what your talking about !
Never type your thoughts ok, they never make any sense.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

And of the backs you listed, those guys get way more carries than Betts. Tennessee and Carolina are smashmouth teams that are gonna run it at you a lot and they can have two guys carry it 15 times apiece. The Skins have no such commitment to the run. And the smaller guys like Washington and Sproles do most of their damage on special teams.

Check the stats, especially for Sproles and Washington. LW had 8 tds from scrimmage last year (6 rushing and 2 receiving), avg'd nearly 6 ypc on 76 carries, and had 47 receptions.

I'm not saying cut Betts. He's the back-up starter rather than the 3rd down/change of pace back back.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't get you posters who get panties bunched over people obsessing about back-up QBs in preseason, as that is what preseason is for!

Also the skins have a history of 2nd/3rd stringers who proved to be at worst journeymen/at best SB Qbs:

Theisman, Doug Williams, Stan Humphries, Trent Green, Ferotte, Sage Rosenfells(sp) heck even The Babe played in Dallas after here and now made a career as dallas media guy.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

You have no idea what your talking about !
Never type your thoughts ok, they never make any sense.

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:38 PM |
------------------------------

Hey, Mensa Boy, it's YOU'RE, not YOUR.

Now get back to your repetitive posts, typed with one hand while the other pulls that fetid nubbin.

Ya human zero.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

And there are still valid complaints about Rogers. And Springs was playing Safety by then anyway.

... It would have been Springs & Hall - then since the FO figured half a season of Spring wasn't worth the $$ it's DHall and either Smoot or Rogers. I believe your argument is diluted by one position.

So feel free to agree or disagree, but 'crazy'? No.

Aand the second part of your post is also off. How is it crazy to talk of getting value for someone you're already talking about getting rid of?! Again - take any position you want and argue it... but 'crazy'?! That's just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Agree with that final roster 4th, except I'd keep Betts over Rock. Only because Betts has shown ability to return kicks. Which is important, but not end-all-be-all, like some would like to believe.

When given the opportunity like in '02, '04, and '05 Betts averaged better than 23 yards per return in each season.

However it doesn't mean that he's capable of doing it now.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"You must not remember well then, b/c a pass like that won the Saints game..."

That was a completely different play. A playaction fake with one deep route is not the same as a regular 5 or 7-step drop with multiple deep routes at the same time. The latter is much more aggressive.

And there's a distinct difference between running a bomb during the tail end of a game that we're trailing and using a similar playcall on the very first play of the game. And then he did it on the very next drive as well.

I'm giving Zorn the benefit of the doubt on this one. I was harsh with him last season, but in that Steelers game, the offense looked markedly different.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: john24 | August 24, 2009 12:31 PM


John You're a broke back mountain GUY. LOL No normal male wouldn't say anything close to what you said. I'm sure you enjoyed the CHASE story about his paints being off more then the link. HUH ?
Here the link to all of the latest interviews by JLF.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

This is why many Skins fans are a joke. We are going to choose a guy based on 8 passes in the second half of a preseason game? Really??? Colt had the same success last year, AND has a year in the system under his belt. Also, take a look at history and tell me if it has been kind to 5'10 QB's with small hands and an average arm. I just don't get it with Washington fans sometimes.

I'm not even the guy that lobbies for Colt as the starter like a bunch of fans do, but for the majority of fans to vote for a guy with 6 completions under his belt over Colt is a complete JOKE. The people voting for Chase Daniels are the same one's that don't make the trip to Pittsburgh, Maryland to see the Steelers fans take over FedEx.

Posted by: 4seamed | August 24, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The Babe?

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

psp, the o-line blocked pretty well Saturday. So what excuse do you have for your guy's performance?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

4th:

Babe Laufenberg....the OG preseason beauty queen.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

whoops, I forgot never disagree with psp23...

You are right, I saw soooo much different in Zorn's play calling Saturday night....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No excuse, LH. He missed some throws. It was a poor showing by JC.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones should build a giant tv with seats to watch, and have the Cowboys play on a desert island..We'll call the gigantic HDTV the "Blue Monster", like Fenway..Then we'll build our new stadium like a miniature golf course, with windmills and bridges and streams..It'll be a blast!!
Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 11:40 AM

That stuff was funny the other night……punts hitting his new jumbo-tron…..and Jones quoted as blaming the Titans punters for actually trying to hit it. It would be very very funny if the league finds that the screens are too low and makes him do something about it…..
Posted by: dlhaze1

Apparently, the Colts did some experimenting when they built their stadium and found that height being used in dallas was too low. Who performed the experiment? Our new punter: Hunter Smith

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the team has to keep Collins. He's the backup to Campbell, and with the way Campbell is playing, he may end up being the starter. Neither Brennan nor Daniel have enough experience to warrant starting. Daniel has played one good quarter against third stringers, and Brennan hasn't even managed to do that. I used to be down on Collins, but the team needs a legitimate backup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I saw that too - the Cowboys big screen being hit by punts. Hard to believe the stadium designers didn't take that into consideration.

Also, the damn thing weighs 600 tons, or about 1.3 million pounds.

I wouldn't want to play under it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I stuck with Brennan out of the fact it was Daniel's first game against most players headed for the streets. I mean really, Colt is far more familiar with the NFL and the nuasances of a game, week in and out, in regular season. Colt got a taste once again of medicine for being stubborn. He is more likely to grow from this much faster.

Daniel's height in a REAL SPEEDED UP NFL GAME will devestate him. Had he been just 2 inches taller, he'd have the needed vision to get past 6-3 to 6-5/6 Linemen, some 6-7, continue a whole game repeated throwing effectively outside of Tackles, over on rushing LB's also about 6-3 and corners and safeties who close 4 times faster than what he saw in preseason.

Marko Mitchell is special and he will prove each time, like many of us knew and hoped. He's a real keeper, like when Cooley came onto the scene. You just knew. He made Daniels look even better.

Daniel's credit is his STUDY, PRACTICE and MENTAL ATTITUDE. Zorn is sitting on a gold mine , ok that's a strecth, but his situation is very, very good to unseat both the #1 and #3 position. Its a QB coaching dream, because if JC IS falling, then Collins, who is better than ever, is rising just in time BEFORE opening day. His pick left a bad taste in his mouth but he's a vet. Unfortunately, his time is rapidly evaporating in the NFL. Just the facts.

So Colt is the REAL question. Was that a fluke against the Steelers (last ranked as #1 LAST SEASON), in whom JC looked bad on one play, BUT IT WAS ONCE AGAIN - KEY. That hurts the team and its dramatic so it ruins moral. More of these in the next two games will likely force Zorn to consider a shakeup at QB maybe? Who knows. But Daniels overtaking Brennan, though possible, isn't going to happen. Look for Colt Brennan to send shock waves in even Collin's boots. Daniels is going to a team relies heavily on the ground game, with tall receivers, but not Washington. Look for that to be like Denver.

Posted by: spaceoddessy | August 24, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

No excuse, LH. He missed some throws. It was a poor showing by JC.

Posted by: psps23


a half-ass humble psps, is at least a start.

i'd take it, you might not get too much close than that.

----------------------------------

The people voting for Chase Daniels are the same one's that don't make the trip to Pittsburgh, Maryland to see the Steelers fans take over FedEx.

Posted by: 4seamed


So if you don't attend a game in which the Steelers are visiting, that somehow diminsihes your opinion?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"You are right, I saw soooo much different in Zorn's play calling Saturday night....

Posted by: chrislarry"

Forgive me, CL, for having an opposing opinion to yours.

Multiple bombs, fake punts, fade routes, yep, these were all staples of Zorn in year 1.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Jason Campbell, is definitely - not - an NFL quarterback.

It's time to say goodbye to Vincent Cerrato.

Too bad, Danny Dnyder.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Maryland Football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland's defensive line and linebacker corps are a joke --- no pass rush whatsoever and give up a ton of long yardage plays.

I have seen harder hitting teams in powder puff leagues.

The only hard hits the Terps make - are out of bound plays - which cost them an additional 15 yards - which are quite frequent.

California's running back - Best - will gain 296 yards in the opening game

I love it, when Maryland constantly gets embarrassed on national TV.

Prediction:

California -- 56
Maryland -- 10

It's hilarious to see Maryland win a game - and the very next week get clobbered by a Virginia Tech - Boston College.

It is great to see Maryland go down to a crushing defeat on the football recruiting front (the kids they have received commitments from - are a joke! - taking the bottom of the barrel)

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Collins will probably stay, but is he all that after the "Sean Taylor" comeback year , under the Saunders system?? That last game (playoff) against the Seabirds , he got eatup by Seattle's defense..Have we seen him play in the regular season post-Saunders?? Maybe we can get a draft pick from the Rams (where Saunders is now) for him..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see more of Chase Daniel...looks smart.....like a playmaker who can finish in the red zone....and mobile.....
But as long as the DEADskins Suits and coach hitch their wagon to "3 and Out" Campbell this season will go down a FEDEX shxxxxx in a hurry........

Posted by: unc1dmo | August 24, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Tar Heels FOOTBALL?

Is that goof serious?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor I like that Special T Menu.

That Snapper's a HOF quality and the Hunter Punter's not far behind, maybe even more likely, huh. He's also an excellent holder and of the old school players who come to play EVERY game.

Posted by: spaceoddessy | August 24, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Disagree all you want psp...I am merely kicking myself in the azz for feeding your back-n-forth beast.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

No excuse, LH. He missed some throws. It was a poor showing by JC.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:50 PM

Yes, he was a little off !
Here's the video.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Tar Heels FOOTBALL?

Is that goof serious?"

It will get very serious if Butch Davis sticks around.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 24, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people think the 'Skins need a professional GM instead of Vinny and the Danny. I mean, they've somehow drafted or signed Chase Daniel, Marko Mitchell, and Marcus Mason! These guys should be playing every snap with the first team offense on Friday so we can show the league the kind of juggernaut to expect in DC this season! These three guys will be first team Pro Bowlers this year, or at worst, alternates!

Let's be serious. This team lives or dies in 2009 on three things: (a) how dominant the defense can be, i.e., will 17 ppg win 10 games?; (b) whether the line is durable and healthy enough to successfully run block for Portis for 16 games instead of just 8; and (c) whether Campbell can regain enough confidence to succeed after the treatment he's received from the team, fans, and press this offseason.

Posted by: dc-nc | August 24, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What other NFL team could Betts start for?

Posted by: rlomax67 | August 24, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"So if you don't attend a game in which the Steelers are visiting, that somehow diminsihes your opinion?"

Yes, those who attended the game were given special opinion enhancers at the stadium.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is starting tonight- lets see Colt and Chase with the first team!!

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Red, I'm always humble...just never wrong.

jokes, jokes

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Colt's 26 and less receptive to coaching...
Chase is 23 and since younger and more receptive, has a larger upside...

LL needs to be able to play Special Teams...

And 32 HAS to stay. We need a legitimate speed guy on returns (ARE and Rock have no break away threat unless they're returning kicks against us wann-abe posters)

Posted by: bschaef11 | August 24, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

off the top of my head, probably Denver, NE, Bengals maybe/not sure who their rb is at this point, Seattle, Detroit, NO.....prolly some others, like Cleveland....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

What other NFL team could Betts start for?

Posted by: rlomax67 | August 24, 2009 1:05 PM


How about the lions ? Trade Betts for the lions 4th. It's going to be high. This is why right here.

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If Colt gets cut, I bet an NFC East rival picks him up just to suck the playbook out of him, like the Giants did with Hasselbeck..

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!!!

Our playbook...

Check down to Cooley or ARE...

There, now all 31 NFL teams have our playbook!! Joke!!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | August 24, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What other NFL team could Betts start for?
_________________
Since the last two seasons, that's a good question. right now NONE period. With the new influx of blood in the #2 spot every where else just about, he's looking less than a #2 in comparison. When the opposition is stil for a stretch of 6 games, unlike the others, his game fades fast! He was one I liked for the draft, rode his coattails and then noticed He was a DRIVE Killer. So is JC. He has killed drives, but Betts has had opportunities to turn 3 and 3 into something, even with a healthy line and NOT delivered enough. He's had some success but it was clear on those days, he'd likely do it. Rock Cartwright isn't it either, like Betts does about the same. Burst here, stuffed other 90%. Screw that. GET Tough coach, not just for a game, but the year. Tell Good bye and fans need to learn to weep ON GOOD DECISIONS for once, since being sentimental don't win ball games. All of the SB winners have purged their name players and climbed right back up.

Players on the bubble THIS YEAR.
Daniels, Betts, Rock, Buzbe (stay healthy maybe??), Warner, Tryon, Moore,

Posted by: spaceoddessy | August 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry but Collins arm is about as strong as mine. The man is a career backup for a reason. I like him, and think he is a decent backup qb, but he seriously cannot throw a deep ball farther than 45- MAYBE IF HE REALLY CHUCKS IT 50 yards. Remember that our wr... Haggens can throw it 65... so I mean stop this Collins as a savior talk... I'll get you started anyday, you are wrong his arm is weak.
Posted by: peoplearestupid1"

Few things more overrated than a cannon arm. You do have to make all the throws -- otherwise, you might as well be Danny Wuerffel -- but Collins showed in '07 that there was nothing wrong with his ability to do just that. Supposedly the deep sideline out pattern, the one where catch the ball as you go out of bounds, is the hardest throw to make, but how often do QBs throw it?

Collins throws a nice pass. It's probably easier to catch than the other QB's throws. He's tall enough to see over the blockers and he certainly stands in the pocket and waits for the receiver to come open. He looked bad against Seattle in '07 but so might Tom Brady under that sort of pressure.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 24, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mensa Boy, it's YOU'RE, not YOUR.

Now get back to your great posts, typed with two hands while reading.

Check his link out.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 24, 2009 12:41 PM


Here's the link Guy's. Has the latest J-z interviews and practice video.


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is starting tonight- lets see Colt and Chase with the first team!!

Posted by: frak | August 24, 2009 1:07 PM


Speaking of Sanchez. He really thought he would be Skin durring the Draft. Training Camp video.


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 24, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else see Brandon Jacobs lay the smackdown on Urlacher twice in their game and then run over the rest of the D on every other carry. It brought back fond memories of LL in the season opener last year. That guy is a beast I'm so glad we get to see him at least twice a year.

Posted by: Skins281 | August 24, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Funny, but I feel pretty good about where we are so far, with one exception. The OL. Yes its better than advertised, but the Chris Samuels knee issue is the one that concerns me most.

Campbell will be fine. Last season vs the jints on opening day, he looked horrid. Then over the next 7 weeks or so, he QB rating was around 100. I think it'd be helpful if Zorn decides who the #1, #2 and #3 WRs are now, so Campbell can work mostly with them during the game vs the Pats. Haven't seen the games, but from what I've read, it sounds like its Moss, ARE and Kelly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"What other NFL team could Betts start for?"

I thought this was a fair question. A hard one to answer, since he's older now and hasn't played much the past two seasons. If we count '06 he's good enough to play a lot for most of the teams in the NFL. For instance, he could play for Philadelphia (now that Westbrook is fighting injury), the Giants (alternating with Jacobs the way Derrick Ward did), for New England (especially if Fred Taylor doesn't hold up), for Jacksonville (splitting time with Jones-Drew), and for San Francisco, Seattle, and of course, Detroit.

He's not a home-run back, but most backs in the NFL aren't, either. You might compare him to Chester Taylor or the aforementioned Derrick Ward.

That's not to say those teams would want him over some other back. Just that he could see quite a bit of action with a bunch of teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are in a QB pickle of their own creation. Campbell is mediocre; Collins is decent but too old; Brennan is a gamer with potential; and Daniels is lighting it up.

If Campbell doesn't step up and soon, the Redskins will be forced to play it safe and lose Brennan or Daniels.

This season is all about Campbell and the OL staying healthy.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | August 24, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Skins281,
The key to stopping a big bruising running back like Jacobs is to get to them before they build up a head of steam. This means run blitzing early and often. Since Manning gets rattled when he gets harassed, blitzing the Giants is the way to hurt them. Without Plax as a safety valve, Manning is going to struggle under that kind of pressure.

On offense, the answer to their d-line depth is to run the hurry up offense and not allow them to substitute. Of course, with the Redskins a hurry up offense just gets you thru 3 and outs faster...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

What other NFL team could Betts start for?

Posted by: rlomax67


The Cardinals.

F Marty S., does any one have Edgerrian J. email add?

Bean, I'm convinced you're f-ing Betts on the creep if you're saying he can start in Cleveland. Really? Over Jamal Lewis?

N.O.? Really over Pierre Thomas (who's going to s*** this year)? I wouldn't even start him over Bush (ya heard that psps?)

Denver? Over Knoshwon Moreno? (Where you at Truth11?)

I wouldn't even start him over Cedric Benson. Yeah that's right, Cedric Benson.

And I dare you say something bad about Benson. Double dare you... He took the 'skins lunch and milk money last year.

You're Betts justifying has hit high comedy at this point. Sorry if it seems if I'm picking on you, but you're like my prom date today: Too damn easy!

beantowngreg's Betts stroking >>>>>> RedDMV's Mason stroking

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 24, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So what do you guys think? Who will be the next coach of the Redskins? there are many coaches ready to comebaclk with rings and we have to look at the fact that Jim Zorn will be gone after this season... So I'm saying 7 and 9 and Zorn is shown the door as well as JC hits FA and his contract not renewed.

I have no idea about the QB replacement...But we all know that BC will be pursued first but there are other coaches who may be hired...all with rings...

So who do you think will be our next coach and QB?

Posted by: leevi98 | August 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

OK first some of you were calling for Colt to be the starter. Now you cant decide if he can make the squad as a third stringer? Fickle fans.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 24, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

but Samson (Abrakadabra my ni***), the question was start for.

So I wouldn't start Betts over Fred Taylor.

And wtf?!?! Betts can start over Frank Gore? Really Frank f'n Gore!?!?!?!

Samson151's Betts storking = beantowngreg's Betts stroking

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

WHO was calling for Colt to be the starter? Seriously.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

red, I think betts could be a good player if he was given the carries/catches.......betts has been productive before....mason, not so much....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

How tall IS Daniel? Theisman and Patrick implied he was about 5'4" or something.

Eitehr way, they should risk stashing one of them on the practcie squad.

Posted by: TheCork | August 24, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Colt vs Chase.. please it is way to early to decide. yeah Chase had a nice game against Pitt but you can't tell someone from one quarter of football. BTW Colt was moving the ball well too before he tried to force a ball on third down and made a mistake.. he'll learn from that. But have we forgotten already how good he looked last year.. besides let's not forgot Chase is only 6' tall.. that will be a big disadvantage in this league.. I still believe Colt has a bigger upside.. but let them both keep playing. Only thing I know for sure is so far is they BOTH look better than Campbell

Posted by: sovine08 | August 24, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd cut Collins .... or Campbell =P

Posted by: mac2j | August 24, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Daniel's height in a REAL SPEEDED UP NFL GAME will devestate him. Had he been just 2 inches taller, he'd have the needed vision to get past 6-3 to 6-5/6 Linemen, some 6-7, continue a whole game repeated throwing effectively outside of Tackles, over on rushing LB's also about 6-3 and corners and safeties who close 4 times faster than what he saw in preseason.

Posted by: spaceoddessy | August 24, 2009 12:55 PM

Chase Daniels - 6'
Joe T - 6'
Drew Brees - 6'
Doug Flutie - 5'9
Michael Vick - 6'
Sonny Jurgenson - 5'11
Billy Kilmer - 6'
Rex Grossman - 6'1
Jim McMahon - 6'1
And some quy named Tarkenton who was 6 foot.

Posted by: amaranthpa | August 24, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

No excuse, LH. He missed some throws. It was a poor showing by JC.

Posted by: psps23 | August 24, 2009 12:50 PM |

Oh, so some of the shine has come off the turd now?

Posted by: TLoad | August 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

lmao @Load

That's the FIRST thing I thot of posting this a.m.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 24, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
I have to agree with you on Samuels knee. This team cannot enter the season with Heyer at left tackle and Bridges at right tackle. That would be disastrous.

However, I have to disagree about Campbell. He has looked awful and I think the problem is his confidence. He is thinking about not making mistakes. Is Zorn over coaching these guys? I know it sounds silly, but you can see them thinking instead of reacting. Even Colt's interception came after a moment's hesitation...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 24, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

But bean, he's given the chance. He's not going to get the amount of carries you like to see because he can't produce. He's averaged 3.6 and 3.4 per carry the last two seasons. Yeah the real change of pace back the 'skins have craved.

And your evidence in your argument for Betts over Mason is old -- TWO years old.

Hypocritical much?

Betts turns 30 in three days. How many more years can he go at this "under the radar" pace -- EVEN if he is better than Marcus Mason, right now, which he isn't?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No excuse, LH. He missed some throws. It was a poor showing by JC.

Posted by: psps23

1-7 for 10 yards? That's poor? OK, it is poor. But its way too early to panic. Campbell will get dialed in if the OL continues to give him time.

Vs NE, I'd like to see Campbell throw it 20+ times. This game is 80% about Campbell getting his timing with the #1,#2 and #3 WRs.

The rest of the game is about 2 things -- guys getting sharper and in game shape ... and determining who gets cut.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: -swb | August 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

red, I think betts could be a good player if he was given the carries/catches.......betts has been productive before....mason, not so much....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 24, 2009 1:49 PM

Are you serious? When compared to a veteran, how productive is any player prior to playing a down in league? To quote you: "UFB"

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Cork Daniel is 6'0 i think. Short by todays QB standard.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Samson151; Todd cannot stretch the field and a knowledgeable D-Coord. knows that while i like Collins he is limited.Chase looked good Saturday night but backups always look good during the preseason or mop up time. JC is on the clock as far as i'm concerned listen i love the guy and nothing would make me happier then to see him shut his detractors pie holes for good but he has no weapons unless some one steps up,Portis is aging, Kid&Play(Thomas and Kelly) are clueless, Fred Davis? nuff said, Cooley(future blogger) O-line? don't make me laugh this team will hang its hat on the defensive side of the ball that is what will determine this Redskin season and Zorn and Campbell's fate.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Chase Daniels - 6'
Joe T - 6'
Drew Brees - 6'
Doug Flutie - 5'9
Michael Vick - 6'
Sonny Jurgenson - 5'11
Billy Kilmer - 6'
Rex Grossman - 6'1
Jim McMahon - 6'1
And some quy named Tarkenton who was 6 foot.
Posted by: amaranthpa"

True enough. But by cherry-picking the successes, we miss the failures, who are numerous. It's like the lottery, where they only show you the winners.

All those QBs (let's confine ourselves to the ones in the past decade) were drafted, right? Chase wasn't. Doesn't mean he couldn't be a viable NFL QB -- just that the comparison may not be valid.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 24, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

37 year old Todd Collins is not the short-term or long-term answer. Brennan and Daniel may not be either, but if Collins is in the game then chances are we're not gonna light it up and win a bunch of games. And yeah, I know he led us to a playoff run before... in a different offense, two years ago. Had it not been for him memorizing Al Saunders' offense for 10 years then we probably wouldn't have won all of those games.
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If it was just a sure things QB's knowing an offense wins games Gibbs would have started Collins over Campbell in 2007.. in fact teams would stick with old guys a lot longer. Fact is knowing the offense helps.. but a QB performance is based on so much more. Collins did better than Campbell because Collins is a better QB than Campbell. Collins is also according to Gibbs one of the smartest QB's he ever coached. So there is no reason why he hasn't mastered Zorn's system by now. Besides Zorns system made Matt Hasselback a star. Hasselback a tall, slow QB with an average arm but who is acturate, can read defenses and anticipate where to throw the ball.. Who does that sound more like.. Collins or Campbell??

Posted by: sovine08 | August 24, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

BAHAHAHAHAHA...colt brennan sucks so much

Posted by: BMACattack | August 24, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Quick responses after a quick scan of the blog:

*Daniel vs. Brennan?

Honestly, who cares. Neither will be a legit NFL QB...but at least Daniel can run and so I take him.

*There's no question Marko Mitchell will make the roster -

He's a 7th round Vinny draft pick; anyone that was drafted by Vinny and has a pulse by the end of training camp makes the team. Not to mention that the dude can play and looks like the 2nd best receiver on the team right now.

*Betts is NOT a starting RB in this league -

He doesn't move the pile, he doesn't have breakaway speed, he doesn't make tacklers miss, he doesn't have a nose for short yardage plays, he's been injury-prone; he's a nice 3rd down back who can execute a run, catch a pass out of the backfield, spell a starter.

*Jason Campbell is ticking me off -

I've stuck up for him due to the fact that I don't think he's had a fair chance to be evaluated. But in 2 preseason games so far, he really doesn't look like he's making any progress in executing this offense.

Posted by: p1funk | August 24, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess you're assuming that Todd Collins as the automatic back-up. Sounds like you've caught the skins version of the Swine Flu. I like keeping both Colt and Chase and letting Collin's go, he is 37 and not getting younger.

Posted by: ccwbambam | August 24, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Either one would be a nice backup to Collins. JC could go visit Gibbs.

Posted by: hock1 | August 24, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

JC for "MR. HE HAS POTENTIAL".
This guy is a joke, he belongs in a circus.

Posted by: hock1 | August 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

JC for "MR. HE HAS POTENTIAL".
This guy is a joke, he belongs in a circus.

Posted by: hock1 | August 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

psp, the o-line blocked pretty well Saturday. So what excuse do you have for your guy's performance? Posted by: learnedhand1

according to jc17 after the game, he didn't know kelly could run that fast that's why he threw it where he did.

yes, i find that statement ironic and shocking for many, many, many reasons...

Posted by: dealer1 | August 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

let Colt and Chase both play a Quarter with the Skins first unit going against the opponent's first unit the next two preseason games..
Its the only way to judge their abilities in the regular season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Umm... don't you think the first team's limited preseason reps should go to letting the starting unit develop a rhythm, rather than as a special try-out session for two guys whose best-case scenario is that they get to hold a clipboard for four months? Daniel and Brennan - and all third-string quarterbacks everywhere - get their important reps, in that magical, mythical time known as "training camp." If they can't distinguish themselves during that time, the proper thing to do is release them, not divert the first-team offense toward glorifying their competition to be the most overpaid podium in the world.

Posted by: manalive | August 24, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Campbell are DEAD MEN WALKING this season as their circle jerk will be over soon when the SEASON & PLAYOFFS get flushed down the toilet again........... Defense hopefully will be fun to watch but Rogers is so far an UNDERachieving/ always injured bum........who WILL be exploited....BIG TIME....

Posted by: unc1dmo | August 24, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Colt's 26 and less receptive to coaching...
Chase is 23 and since younger and more receptive, has a larger upside...

Posted by: bschaef11

SERIOUSLY? You think because Colt is three years older than Chase he is less likely to listen to the coach? Riiight. you're an idiot.

Posted by: supergrl63 | August 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, this is no contest. Colt played at Hawaii in a teeney tiny conference for crying out loud. Chase played in the Big 12 against teams like Taxas and OU, el al........and if memory serves me, the only team Hawaii played of any consequence (Georgia) simply cloobered them. Colt is like a gunslinger at the OK Corral.................just be careful of where he's shooting.

Posted by: Ireland2 | August 24, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Chase is NOT 6 feet tall. The media guide and website may have him listed as such but it's simply not true. He MAY be 5'10 but that's a stretch.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Chase is the real deal. A born leader, steady, humble, community minded. I was glad to see him get the opportunity to pursue a professional career.

Posted by: tom_k47 | August 24, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Chase vs Colt!!? for the 3rd spot? how exciting.

I'll take Chase becasue Colt seems too much of a dog and pony show. Still, either one is looking at backup position for 2010.

JC will be fine this year, and Collins is a solid backup in case of disaster.

Both Chase and Colt are unproven until proven otherwise, so let's keep the enthusiasm in check. Of course, in this town, fans root for the 4th string QB before they support the starting dude.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 24, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's just cut to the Chase -- Start him.

Posted by: heightofhypocrisy | August 24, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Let Colt and Chase both play a Quarter with the Skins first unit going against the opponent's first unit the next two preseason games..
Its the only way to judge their abilities in the regular season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Umm... don't you think the first team's limited preseason reps should go to letting the starting unit develop a rhythm, rather than as a special try-out session for two guys whose best-case scenario is that they get to hold a clipboard for four months? Daniel and Brennan - and all third-string quarterbacks everywhere - get their important reps, in that magical, mythical time known as "training camp." If they can't distinguish themselves during that time, the proper thing to do is release them, not divert the first-team offense toward glorifying their competition to be the most overpaid podium in the world.

Posted by: manalive | August 24, 2009 3:19 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
manalive..If Chase or Colt or both are expected to step in during the regular season... Would it not make sense to see a few series in live NFL competition with them behind the regular season starting Offense? Practice reps and live game reps are night and day.. Almost twice the speed.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 24, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Campbell are DEAD MEN WALKING this season as their circle jerk will be over soon when the SEASON & PLAYOFFS get flushed down the toilet again........... Defense hopefully will be fun to watch but Rogers is so far an UNDERachieving/ always injured bum........who WILL be exploited....BIG TIME....

Posted by: unc1dmo | August 24, 2009 3:25 PM

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Way to predict unc1dmo. I would just forfeit this season based on your assessment and keep the starters fresh for 2010? what daa ya say? Do you suggest we keep any of the players for 2010 or should we start fresh from the draft?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 24, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

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