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Orakpo Enticing

Had a nice chat with Brian Orakpo, the Texas defensive on whom the Skins are very high. Sounds like a good all-around kid, and he really enjoyed his visit with the Skins last week. Put together a little story for the paper, which you can see here first.

Before a contract impasse led to his release, the Washington Redskins were planning to use pass-rushing defensive end Jason Taylor in a hybrid role, toggling between linebacker and end, trying to fill a void on the left side of their defense. Should they end up selecting Orakpo in the first round this weekend, the Redskins envision him doing the same thing.

Orakpo could be gone prior to Washington's 13th overall selection on Saturday, but he is a player they value greatly and someone team officials have indicated they would pounce on should he slip. USC quarterback Mark Sanchez is also coveted by owner Daniel Snyder, according to sources, to the point where the Redskins might end up trading into the top five to draft him. But Orakpo is considered by some the best defensive player in the draft, and Washington views him accordingly.

Orakpo completed his two-day visit to Redskins Park last week and is back at Texas now, relaxing for a few days before flying to New York to attend the NFL draft. He feels confident he could fill the role the Redskins would want for him -- playing strong-side linebacker on running downs and being freed up more as a rush-end on passing situations -- and said he has no preference between playing in a 4-3 scheme, like Washington's, or a 3-4 like Green Bay and some of the other clubs interested in him.

"The visit with Washington went really well," Orakpo said. "I got a chance to meet Mr. Snyder and [executive vice president] Vinny Cerrato and Coach Zorn and the rest of coaching staff. We had a nice dinner, and I know Mr. Snyder likes to take care of his players, and we had a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant, a good steak house, and it was a good chance for them to get to know you better and have a little fun.

"But then it got very in depth as soon as the actual visit on site the next day. I watched film and talk to [linebackers] coach K.O. [Kirk Olivadotti], and what they see in me doing is some linebacker and also some d-end, and trying to use my versatility to my advantage."

Orakpo, a senior, stands 6 feet 3 and weighs 263 pounds, transforming his body after entering school as a lean basketball prospect. His workout prowess has become legendary, and despite missing time the past two years with knee problems, he was highly productive on the field (a hamstring problems limited him at the combine in February). Orakpo played both as a lineman and a linebacker and has strong instincts and intellect (he is an honor student).

Some scouts wonder if his pass-rushing ability will translate in the NFL -- the Redskins long have been desperate for more of a sack presence off the edge -- and think he lacks elite burst, but Washington has no dynamic options at left defensive end or strong-side linebacker on its current roster. Orakpo said he was comfortable with everything the Redskins asked of him, spending roughly four hours going over the defense with coaches.

"It doesn't matter to me how they use me, whether I put my hand down [as a lineman] or they stand me up," Orakpo said. "As long as I'm able to be productive no mater what I'm doing. In my last college season we played 3-4 and 4-3, and it doesn't really matter to me which way we play."

Orakpo came to Washington last week after spending time with the Browns in Cleveland, the team with the fifth pick and likely the highest Orakpo could be chosen. Green Bay, San Francisco, Denver and Houston have also evaluated him closely and spent considerable time with him.

During his visit here, Orakpo was grouped with Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji, and LSU defensive end Tyson Jackson. Manny of their activities were planned together; Raji could end up being the first defensive player selected Saturday while the Broncos, with pick 12, reportedly are very high on Jackson.

Orakpo has drawn more attention from the Redskins than other ends. The team has not been in as close contact with Tennessee's Robert Ayers, Penn State's Aaron Maybin or Florida State's Everette Brown, and sources close to those players said they would be surprised if Washington selected them, especially if Orakpo were still available.

At this point the process is out of the players' hands, with all official visits now over and just a few days remaining before names are announced this weekend.

"I'm trying not to think about the draft too much, because you never know how it's going to go," Orakpo said. "If I do slip out of the top 10 it's not a big deal for me. I just want to play football. It doesn't matter where I go, and if I do slip, I'll be more eager to prove to the teams that passed me up exactly what kind of player they missed out on."

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 20, 2009; 5:18 PM ET
 | Tags: Brian Orakpo, Jason Taylor, NFL draft, Redskins, Texas, defensive line  
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Comments

Yes please.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I for one would be willing to give up 13 and next years 1st for Jason Smith. By doing this, you can move samuels over to right tackle, upgrading at left tackle and tremendously at right tackle while extending samuels career. Think of it this way. We take smith with this years 13 and a right tackle of Samuels calibur with next years 1st that will be there for 5 years.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 20, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

First?

Posted by: aubaine | April 20, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

the Skins spent virtually no time with their second pick last year - TE from USC.... The fact that they spend time with anyone, IMO, means zippity-do-da.

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 20, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

the Skins spent virtually no time with their second pick last year - TE from USC ...

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 20, 2009 6:19 PM

This be true. No time before the draft and no time after the draft. The dude hardly ever played.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 20, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"USC quarterback Mark Sanchez is also coveted by owner Daniel Snyder, according to sources, to the point where the Redskins might end up trading into the top five to draft him."

Please, God, no.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 20, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I for one would be willing to give up 13 and next years 1st for Jason Smith. By doing this, you can move samuels over to right tackle, upgrading at left tackle and tremendously at right tackle while extending samuels career. Think of it this way. We take smith with this years 13 and a right tackle of Samuels calibur with next years 1st that will be there for 5 years.

Posted by: DaFunBunch

if we do this, I'd prefer Curry. Still, If we get a top OT for either the right or left side, I'm good, even if the guy is pricey.

As for Orakpo, ummmm. Don't know.

What I don't like is the Skins mgmt not understanding how to use him. If he's an LB, then put him there. If he's a DE, then put him there. Ask him to do what he is best at and let him do that.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Lions unveil new logo... That should make all the difference for them.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

This headlin-

'Orakpo Enticing'

Should really read-

'The Redskins are willing to trade up--if necessary--to get Orakpo'


Even if C Wilson turns out to be a decent player at the position, having two similar sized linebackers--strong against the run/blitzers--isn't just what the linebacking corp needs.

I like the stillers situation where both Woodley and Harrison play well together and let the defense play the hybrid/confusion based defenses that allow them to attack, pressure, and create turnovers.

We know there's a crowd out there screaming, "Offensive at 13, please..." But the linebacking corp is just as thin and limited in depth as the o-line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 20, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

rak would be a beast. Watched him a ton in college. But i think oline is more likely to slip to us than him. Just NO SANCHEZ!!!

Posted by: AdamCr | April 20, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

We know there's a crowd out there screaming, "Offensive at 13, please..." But the linebacking corp is just as thin and limited in depth as the o-line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 20, 2009

Really?

Hmmm lets see:

LB: Wilson, Blades, Thomas (a former 1st rounder who may end up being a lot better with the Skins: previous team Raiders), Fincher, Fletcher, McIntosh.

DE: Haynesworth, Daniels, Wynn, Carter, Jackson, Buzbee.

Now let's look at the OL (keeping in mind that it completely collapsed in the "stiller" game.

C: Rabach (that's it)
G: Thomas (serious injury), Dockery (who else Moe? Maybe Rhinehart? C'mon?)
T: Jensen (serious injury), Heyer, Samuels (serious injury)

They have critical needs in many places, but FROM almost any perspective the need appears greatest on the offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

On Sanchez, this is indicative of the Redskins.

History is very clear. Even the best GMs have very mixed records when it comes to selecting a QB from the draft. Draft a QB with a top pick and you have about a 50% chance of a bust and only about a 25% of upgrading over Campbell.

It is this 'we are smarter' approach that gets the Skins into trouble. Sanchez is the equivalent of hitting on 18. The odds are against you.

When it comes to David vs Goliath in business, David might win some of the time, but that's not the way to bet.

As long as Danny wants to make foolish bets, he'll lead the league in payroll. On the field, he'll get 8-8.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

'The Redskins are willing to trade up--if necessary--to get Orakpo'

No one ever trades up to get a linebacker if that is what he is envisioned as.

They trade up to get a quarterback.

The Redskins will never win as long as Snyder acts as the GM for the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

No way trade up for Orakpo- if we trade up at all, it is for:
a) Jason Smith
b) Andre Smith
c) Eugene Monroe
e) Curry

and that's it..Frankly would like to see them snag Jason Smith, who seems like a mature , level-headed stud they could plug in ASAP from the get go, post-haste, and get instantaneo espontaneo..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I for one would be willing to give up 13 and next years 1st for Jason Smith ...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 20, 2009 6:12 PM

Very steep price to pay for a position that is basically a foot soldier. Steep even for a skill positon like QB or WR.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 20, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

As long as Danny wants to make foolish bets, he'll lead the league in payroll. On the field, he'll get 8-8.

,i>Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009

If he's very lucky its 8-8. The records achieved pre-Gibbs Spurrier are a better indication. Then the dolt hires consultants to look over the coach's shoulders when in the end he himself is the main problem with the team.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

We had a nice dinner,

So why wasn't there a big write up about this dinner? One would think from this big post on San no one but him went out to dinner.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 20, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

There should be a hot prospect available at #13. In fact, it's down right exciting to think of who might be available.

If not Orakpo, maybe Oher.

So exciting, its hard to imagine trading down, which is probably the best thing to do; that is of course, if you make good use of those picks.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 20, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Very steep price to pay for a position that is basically a foot soldier. Steep even for a skill positon like QB or WR.


Posted by: AntonChigurh

Necessity is the mutha..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

We had a nice dinner,

So why wasn't there a big write up about this dinner? One would think from this big post on San no one but him went out to dinner.

JM220

-------------

Because picking Orakpo actually makes sense...

Posted by: John_Keats | April 20, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I for one would be willing to give up 13 and next years 1st for Jason Smith ...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 20, 2009 6:12 PM

Very steep price to pay for a position that is basically a foot soldier. Steep even for a skill positon like QB or WR.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

I'm not averse to trading up if the guy is really that good. Still prefer Curry, but if Smith is the next Chris Samuels, its a good investment. If we're getting the next Jansen, ummmm, No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has finished over .500 3 times. Once during the transition year. The other two times under Gibbs. Finished .500 3 X, under .500 3 X.
Exclude Gibbs and Schottenheimer who had complete to reasonable control over football operations ... so ... with Snidely in control:
.500 twice (Norv got them to 7-6). Three times under .500.

Have to assume with Snyder in control that their record will usually be 6-10, 5-11 thus my prediction.

2006 8 8 0 Zorn
2007 9 7 0 Gibbs
2006 5 11 0 Gibbs
2005 10 6 0 Gibbs
2004 6 10 0 Gibbs
2003 5 11 0 Spurrier
2002 7 9 0 Spurrier
2001 8 8 0 Marty
2000 8 8 0 (Norv 7-6)
1999 10 6 0 1st (Transition)

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

So.... except for the times they finished at or above .500, they finished below .500.
Got it.


Posted by: daggar | April 20, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

So.... except for the times they finished at or above .500, they finished below .500.
Got it.


Posted by: daggar | April 20, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

LMAO... Thanks for the "cliff note" version.. I was having a hard time trying to figure out what the hell that meant.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have enough free time to figure out what the RI consensus was at this time last year? Did Cerrato let his man-love for Mayo loose? Or were we chasing after some DE prospect who has faded into a depth chart somewhere?

Posted by: daggar | April 20, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

If we trade up, it should be for Snyder's Six Flags and nothing else.

If we can't trade down, then leave it alone. This year's draft class is'nt anything special so why screw ourselves for next year's draft which will have much more talent at most positions?

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 20, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this year's tweener class DE's are more suited to the 3-4 (which Freeney, Merriman, D.Thomas types thrive in)..We absolutely should just take the best O-lineman that can be reached within reason (maybe a play for Curry)..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

So.... except for the times they finished at or above .500, they finished below .500.
Got it.


Posted by: daggar | April 20, 2009

With Snyder in charge of football operations as opposed to a real coach/ general manager like Marty, Gibbs, or Turner/Casserly its under .500.

During the same period the Eagles, the "cheapskates" of the BEAST finished under .500 twice.

1999 5 11 0 (It takes Reid 1 year.)
2000 11 5 0
2001 11 5 0
2002 12 4 0
2003 12 4 0
2004 13 3 0
2005 6 10 0
2006 10 6 0
2007 8 8 0
2008 9 6 1

And they finished 2 - 1 in the playoffs.
Best the Skins ever did under Snyder was the transition year under Norv his first year as owner.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line:
Snyder drafting Sanchez = 5 wins 11 losses
or worst.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm not averse to trading up if the guy is really that good. Still prefer Curry, but if Smith is the next Chris Samuels, its a good investment. If we're getting the next Jansen, ummmm, No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 7:13 PM

Whoa there, give Jansen his due. When he was healthy he was good. His been here a long time. We'd be lucky to get another Jansen, just not today's Jansen.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

No OT for Bengals?

We've heard a lot in recent weeks about the Cincinnati Bengals and their need for a franchise offensive tackle, but rumblings are staring to surface that coach Marvin Lewis could talk the oraginazation into drafting Orakpo if he is available at No. 6, and assuming both OTs Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe are off the board.

The Bengals have been looking for years for an impact edge rusher, and while we believe Orakpo fits best at end in a 4-3 he does have experience dropping into coverage and could give Cincinnati a lot of versatility and flexibility in its hybrid 3-4/4-3 system.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

No OT for Bengals?

We've heard a lot in recent weeks about the Cincinnati Bengals and their need for a franchise offensive tackle,


Really good news for the Skins. That one spot Andre Smith has been linked to for some time now.

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

... Nobody is suggesting that Sanchez is a 'franchise' QB, whatever that may be.
Is he more talented than Campbell? Probably not. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 7:28 AM

Let's see. Campbell would have been a 2nd rounder at best when drafted were it not for the Skins' bull rush to get him in the 1st round. After two seasons to polish his QB skills, word has it that the Skins could not recently get a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. Sanchez on the other hand will probably go somewhere in the first 10 picks. So how do we come out of this saying the dude is probably not more talented than Campbell and still maintain some semblance of interpretive rationality for the facts as we know them? What inspired higher wisdom is Mr. Samson in possession of that has gone completely unnoticed by us mere mortals?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 20, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse


Curzon417 it does feel like that doesn't it. I wonder if anyone that is continue to stick with the story will say they were wrong come Saturday. If we do pick him I know I will be up here to say I was wrong. I challenge all those that are so positive that we are picking San come up here and say they were wrong if we don't.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 20, 2009 11:25 AM
=========================================
I got a question for you, JM220.

I'm terrified that the Danny will do something stupid and overpay to move up and draft Sanchez.

Does that mean I'm supposed to apologize if it doesn't happen?

And for further clarification, were the folks who feared that the Danny would make some dumb trade for Cutler wrong because Chicago got him instead?

Were the people who said that the Cutler-to the-Redskins-story was bogus correct?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

So how do we come out of this saying the dude is probably not more talented than Campbell and still maintain some semblance of interpretive rationality for the facts as we know them? What inspired higher wisdom is Mr. Samson in possession of that has gone completely unnoticed by us mere mortals?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 20, 2009 8:03 PM |

The facts as we know them are as follows: Sanchez has never thrown a pass or taken a snap as an NFL quarterback so as far as anyone knows he could be a future hall of famer or a ridiculous bust.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez on the other hand will probably go somewhere in the first 10 picks. So how do we come out of this saying the dude is probably not more talented than Campbell and still maintain some semblance of interpretive rationality for the facts as we know them?

Sanchez has only had ONE YEAR as a college starter. His arm strength is not even close to Campbell's. He is not as fast, athletic, or agile. He probably would go in the 2nd or 3rd round next year were he to stay in college and not come out as junior.

Sanchez's skills, physicality, even his demeanor are almost perfect matches for Colt Brennan yet Snyder does not consider him a "franchise QB"?

Sanchez does look more like a movie star though ... got the "chick crack" going for him. Attractive to bi-sexual marketing types ... eh?

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Were the people who said that the Cutler-to the-Redskins-story was bogus correct?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 8:04 PM

No, they were wrong, the attempt was sure there. We just got saved from ourselves.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey ifthethunderdontgetya. I hope all is well with you tonight. I never said you shouldn't fear Dan during something stupid. However, people that act like they know what is going to happen as if they read mines and not open to maybe the media is just creating the story is what I have a problem with. Or if they don't come back and say they were wrong. That's the one's I was talking about.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 20, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo sounds too much like an injury prone tweener. For that much risk, it would be safer to trade down and go with a traditional linebacker. If the Redskins really have a plan for a hybrid end-back then they can experiment with their own tweeners in Wilson and Jackson. I mean, when you think about Orakpo's situation, how do you expect a guy who has only played one position in college to come into the much more challenging NFL and pickup two positions right out of the gate? He would even be splitting time with coaches because the Redskins have different coaches for linebackers and ends. It sounds ill advised and poorly thought out. Maybe it's just grist for the mill and there's really no plan. They could just be telling the kid what he wants to hear so he'll be easier to sign. Still, at the end of the day, I think he would be a better pick than Sanchez.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 20, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Campbell would have been a 2nd rounder at best when drafted were it not for the Skins' bull rush to get him in the 1st round. After two seasons to polish his QB skills, word has it that the Skins could not recently get a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. Sanchez on the other hand will probably go somewhere in the first 10 picks. So how do we come out of this saying the dude is probably not more talented than Campbell and still maintain some semblance of interpretive rationality for the facts as we know them? What inspired higher wisdom is Mr. Samson in possession of that has gone completely unnoticed by us mere mortals?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 20, 2009 8:03 PM
========================================
Nice George Will impersonation.

But your AntonLogic fails again.

So Jason Campbell was only a first rounder because Danny overpaid?

OK. Why exactly, is Mark Sanchez suddenly projected to be in top 10?

1) In the wake of the Jay Cutler trade, the Danny feels jilted and quickly develops a new man crush. Teams that had top 10 picks who wanted to trade down suddenly develop interest in Sanchez. Because Danny overpays.

2) There's other reasons QBs could be higher and lower in a given draft. For example, one reason Sanchez is coming out this year is there aren't many other QB prospects in this draft.

Sanchez is just as likely (if not more so) to be the next Alex Smith as the next John Elway.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

And again, and again, and again, and again:

Group I: Strong likelihood of success

Player School Draft year Score

Matt Leinart USC 2006 64.04
Philip Rivers NC St 2004 48.44
Tim Couch Kent 1999 47.64
Colt Brennan Hawaii 2008 46.1
Alex Smith Utah 2005 44.88
Aaron Rodgers Calif 2005 40.58
Peyton Manning Tenn 1998 39.47
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75

Scores for 2009 Likely First-Round Quarterbacks

Player School Score

Mark Sanchez USC 32.63
Josh Freeman KState 1.94
Matthew Stafford Georgia -4.55

For BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x5] +[(Career touchdown-INT ratio - 2.25)x10]

For non-BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x2.5] + [(Career touchdown-INT Ratio - 2.25)x5]

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine, JM220.

It's just that the story about wanting to get Cutler was true, and the wining and dining of Sanchez does seem to confirm the reporting here of the strong interest.

The shoe that hasn't dropped is the stupid trade where we get ripped off and start rebuilding with a new QB.

I'm hoping that shoe doesn't drop.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The facts as we know them are as follows: Sanchez has never thrown a pass or taken a snap as an NFL quarterback so as far as anyone knows he could be a future hall of famer or a ridiculous bust.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:19 PM |

Or, like other draft picks, have weak knees and no work ethic.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 20, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

daggar, as I recall, going into last year the conventional wisdom (such as) up here was that the Skins were going to take a D lineman with that first pick.

Not unanimous, of course, but I think we had pretty much reached a consensus that it would be a pass rushing end... and then Vinny, that sly devil, pulled the old okey-doke and traded down and got WR-TE-WR, the Triplets of Nowheresville.

Those were the days, my friends.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 20, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

antonchigger: "Let's see. Campbell would have been a 2nd rounder at best when drafted were it not for the Skins' bull rush to get him in the 1st round. After two seasons to polish his QB skills, word has it that the Skins could not recently get a 2nd round pick in exchange for him. Sanchez on the other hand will probably go somewhere in the first 10 picks. So how do we come out of this saying the dude is probably not more talented than Campbell and still maintain some semblance of interpretive rationality for the facts as we know them? What inspired higher wisdom is Mr. Samson in possession of that has gone completely unnoticed by us mere mortals?"

Well, others have answered this already, so excuse the redundancy...

I'm saying Campbell is a talented a QB as Sanchez. That means:
a) that if teams aren't offering much for him in trade, he's undervalued, and
b) that if Sanchez goes in the top ten, he's being overvalued.

So your question about my insight is self-explanatory. IMO, Campbell's not that bad. IMO, Sanchez isn't that good.

We go through this almost every year with QBs. It's like an auction. All you need is one sucker with a fat pocketbook. And the NFL appears to be full of them.

If either of these QBs in this draft go high, we could be looking at some buyer's remorse later on.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Or, like other draft picks, have weak knees and no work ethic.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 20, 2009 8:38 PM |

Well then we'd trade all of our picks this year to get him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Or he could shoot himself in the leg, or get busted for dogfighting.

I'd have to guess those two would be lower risks for Sanchez than just being a bust.

One thing that gives me hope is that when ESPN reported the Skins were interested in Jason Campbell, they emphatically denied.

Here they are happily showboating away.

Hey, we'll all know Saturday, and there's not a thing any of can do about it, anyways.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Jaguars signed WR Torry Holt to a three-year, $20 million contract, according to NFL Network's Steve Wyche.

You know how much sh1t the skins would get from everyone if they paid 7 mil a year for a 33 year old WR? Crazy...

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

My favorite PFT post of the day:

‘Skins Bluffing On Sanchez Interest?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 1:02 p.m.
There are mounting rumors and reports that the Washington Redskins are interested in making a move into the upper reaches of the draft for a crack at USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Some league insiders, who are assessing the Redskins’ sudden interest in Sanchez in comparison to the team’s past pre-draft antics, believe that it’s very possibly a smokescreen.

Maybe it’s just part of a broader plan to motivate current starter Jason Campbell into becoming a high-end quarterback.

Or maybe the Redskins simply don’t want anyone to know what they actually plan to do with the 13th overall pick in the draft.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Whoa there, give Jansen his due. When he was healthy he was good. His been here a long time. We'd be lucky to get another Jansen, just not today's Jansen.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Jansen had about 6 good years. If you're going to trade 2 #1 picks, you'd want more than a good RT with a 6 year lifespan. You'd want a great OT for a decade

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The man-love for Sanchez isn't a smokescreen. You don't invest that much time researching a guy as a smokescreen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Jansen had about 6 good years. If you're going to trade 2 #1 picks, you'd want more than a good RT with a 6 year lifespan. You'd want a great OT for a decade

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:53 PM

I'll give you that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay like $1.99 a minute to be able to listen on any calls between Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn this week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Jansen had about 6 good years. If you're going to trade 2 #1 picks, you'd want more than a good RT with a 6 year lifespan. You'd want a great OT for a decade

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:53 PM

I'll give you that.

Posted by: scampbell1975

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And this sentiment is exactly why this very well may be a smokescreen.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Oops, that last post was supposed to refer to this comment:

"The man-love for Sanchez isn't a smokescreen. You don't invest that much time researching a guy as a smokescreen.

Posted by: zcezcest1"

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope this is a ploy to get someone to use a pick on Sanchez so that we have a better chance at getting someone that can help us now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

All this blogging is driving me crazy. I can't wait till Saturday to get this second-guessing over and done with.

I think Jason Campbell will shock a lot of people this year if and only if we get depth on the O-line (remember the 6-2 start last year when our line was healthy). We didn't just suddenly start sucking at the 9 week mark. No we got banged up and we didn't have depth.

Look at the perennial playoff teams--they have awesome depth on the Offensive and Defensive lines. We have that depth needed on the Defensive line. We have to draft a stud O-lineman to replace the right or left tackle positions. I think we should also sign 1 or 2 solid back-up veteran free-agent guards (Pete Kendall type of guys) who can come in for a game or two if Randy Thomas or Dockery get banged up.

Isnt it so tempting to want to sip the Sanchez and Orapko kool-aid? Heck I sipped it but only because the media is making it sound so good.

I hope we show some patience and come out smelling like a rose.

Posted by: mriles17 | April 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the smokescreen stuff. It makes little sense to spend so much time on a guy you aren't interested in. Yeah, I do get the reasons for being coy about what you want and why, but the Skins are picking at #13. Why would they create a smokescreen for a guy likely to go top 5-8 or so?

If you want to create a smokescreen, do it with someone who is likely going to be there in the 10-15 range.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like JLC is enamored with him, but that doesn't mean the front office is. It is certainly a possibility that the FO is being totally transparent but it is more likely that they just figured out how to get JLC to blow their smokescreen for them.

In fact I hope they aren't interested. He is a workout warrior and one who many consider a high risk pick that won't translate to the NFL.

Posted by: offbyone | April 20, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

It's clear from this post that the Skins are very high. JLC, just end the sentence with the preposition. We'll forgive you.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 20, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay like $1.99 a minute to be able to listen on any calls between Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn this week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:57 PM
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Boy, if Snyder sees this post he's going to go crazy..."a whole new revenue stream I never thought of!!!..."

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Of all the things that made me laugh the most so far about this draft is the thought that the Skins would trade with KC.

Pioli, the architect of the Pats trading with Vinny, the architect of the Skins.

After Parcells took Vinny's lunch money in the JT trade, I guess Vinny figures he can get some back by outsmarting Pioli.

So pathetic that its funny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The logic instructors refer to something called the 'argument to authority.' That's where someone asserts the primacy of their argument based on the opinion of an expert. It's usually considered flawed logic for two reasons. First, because experts disagree (as every civil attorney knows). Second, because experts vary widely in quality.

When Bill Walsh talks about what makes a QB, you listen. Walsh can still be wrong, and as somebody pointed out, has been wrong. Still, his successes have been so spectacular that we figure the odds are in his favor.

When Mel Kiper talks about what makes a QB, you have to listen with entirely different assumptions. Mel's never played or coached the position. He doesn't spend as much time watching film of QBs as he does in hotel rooms and lobbies seeking opinions from people who do. So what you're getting from Mel is what he's gleaned from others who may or may not know what they're talking about. Still, there's some weight to a mass of divergent opinions, so we pay attention. But mostly we listen to Mel because he's entertaining, in a sort of obsessed geek fan way. Plus he has great hair.

But really, what's the predictive value of either Bill or Mel's opinion about a specific QB? If you believe the research, probably not a whole lot. Both can be and frequently are off base when it comes to predicting how good a rookie QB is going to be when he finally gets out on the field.

So these discussions are really just in fun. Fortunately most of us don't have Snyder's millions so we're not in danger of buying a football team and making some really idiotic player moves.

When it comes to predictions, the best authority is hindsight.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"Why would they create a smokescreen for a guy likely to go top 5-8 or so?"

He wasn't likely to go top 10 early in the offseason. All this "love affair" with Sanchez has catapulted him above what his original projection was. If it is indeed a smokescreen, it my prove to work.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd pay like $1.99 a minute to be able to listen on any calls between Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn this week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 8:57 PM
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Boy, if Snyder sees this post he's going to go crazy..."a whole new revenue stream I never thought of!!!..."

Posted by: chasgiffen

Now thats funny!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

He's doing the math right now.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Dirty Sanchez? CrSJKp.

Orakpo? Fo' sho!

(Or at least he's a better option, anyway...)

Posted by: Anonynonandon | April 20, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts:

I've been watching a few sports segments on Sanchez and can see why people are so enamored....of his personality. He is charming, charismatic, down to earth and seems like a hardworking, all around nice guy. But does that translate into a winning QB? Especially for a team that does not NEED a QB? And trading up to get him would be simply insane! And if personality is what the Skins are looking for, they have Colt!

Mel Kiper was pretty adamant that Campbell should just go out, show some spirit and play the game...that if he had done that he would have had nothing to worry about. Said this could inspire Campbell to play harder. I just have a feeling Vinny has shared this info with Mel since they (reportedly) are friends.

Also, Doc Walker & Co were talking about the Sanchez dinner this week and Doc laughed and said "well, obviously Dan is not trying to hide the dinner." But there was no reported mention of the Orakpo dinner....kind of strange.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"Or maybe the Redskins simply don’t want anyone to know what they actually plan to do with the 13th overall pick in the draft."

Posted by: scampbell1975

I think there may be more truth to this than the infatuation with Sanchez, Orakpo et al.

Everyone knows the huge need for a tackle. Before the iggles traded for J. Peters, they needed an OT and were armed with 2 first round picks, plus a ton of other picks and could have jumped ahead of the skins to get one.
The Jets need/want a qb, so maybe snyderrato, while this is highly doubtful, might be trying to create trade value should sanchez drop to #13.

Posted by: BigE44 | April 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

But there was no reported mention of the Orakpo dinner....kind of strange.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 9:25 PM |

I think the Orakpo dinner was a Johnny Rocket's @ 20th and Pennsylvania. No one was looking for Orakpo there -- Post only covers the high end eateries.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 20, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I think there may be more truth to this than the infatuation with Sanchez, Orakpo et al.

Everyone knows the huge need for a tackle. Before the iggles traded for J. Peters, they needed an OT and were armed with 2 first round picks, plus a ton of other picks and could have jumped ahead of the skins to get one.
The Jets need/want a qb, so maybe snyderrato, while this is highly doubtful, might be trying to create trade value should sanchez drop to #13.

Posted by: BigE44 | April 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Retarded. Sanchez will be top 5 and Orakpo will be top 8. Anyone who even thinks one of the 2 slip to 13 can't have a clue and is wasting everyone's time here.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Snyder discussed the team's interest in Sanchez with Campbell. I find it hard to believe even with these Goobers that they would have that talk with Campbell to "clear the air" and draft Sanchez.

For the record, I am not opposed to drafting Sanchez, just not moving up to get him.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 20, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

The Jets need/want a qb, so maybe snyderrato, while this is highly doubtful, might be trying to create trade value should sanchez drop to #13.

Posted by: BigE44 | April 20, 2009 9:32 PM

Love these people who try to attribute rationality to Snyder. That's not how he rolls. Unless seeing his name in Peter King's MMQB counts as rationality.

The guy just wants Sanchez and he'll do whatever it takes to get him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 20, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows the huge need for a tackle. Before the iggles traded for J. Peters, they needed an OT and were armed with 2 first round picks, plus a ton of other picks and could have jumped ahead of the skins to get one.
The Jets need/want a qb, so maybe snyderrato, while this is highly doubtful, might be trying to create trade value should sanchez drop to #13.

Posted by: BigE44 | April 20, 2009 9:32 PM |
I've managed to convince myself that the Sanchez bit is a cover. The Skins stated several times that Oline, DE, and LB were the major areas of need. Please be smart enough to stick to those areas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 20, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Sanchez, whether we move up to get him down to get him or stay where we are is a BAD MOVE.

I don't know anything more than what's been said about the guy, but early round QB picks are a 50/50 proposition. NFL guys have not figured out how to look at QBs college experience and translate it the NFL. Brady, Cassel, Warner and romo weren't even blips on radar screens -- today they are among the highest paid QBs.

Sanchez is a case of making a bad choice because the odds are against you. This team has areas with bigger paybacks that can be achieved with less risk.

No is too much risk for too little payback.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't think has been posted yet, but it's interesting only because it shows Orakpo going at 23. I think it's easy to get excited about one player or another after seeing them ranked in the top 5 of a bunch of mock drafts, but the reality is most of those drafts are based on people reading all the same available public info and drawing all the same conclusions. That's not to say Orakpo won't go at 5, or 10, or wherever, but that it's at least conceivable to some that he could drop much further. This also has Maybin falling to 31. I'd guess both of those are way too low, but you never know until draft day.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/20/the-first-mr-x-mock-draft/

I don't really understand why the Skins would fall in love with Orakpo on the basis he can shift between DE and LB. That just seems like it won't fit with the Blache/Gregg Williams D. I'm guessing (wildly guessing) that the Orakpo stuff is being brought up as a cover for having everyone pick up on their interest in Sanchez. I would love to be wrong, but their interest in Jason Campbell was so widely known before the draft that they had to pay up big to get into Rd 1 to draft him. And everyone knew how they flew the plane to Malcolm Kelly and brought Jason Campbell along to throw to him, so keeping their cards close to the vest ain't exactly their strong suit.

I'd be impressed if this was a smoke screen and they trade up for a LT (or better yet, trade down) but I don't really think that's going to happen.

Posted by: beatkal | April 20, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Casserly's mock draft sees Sanchez going at #4.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The jouhnson de from tennessee looks like a poor mans orakpo, they had similar combine numbers. I hope they get both, orakpo jouhnson hanesworth and danny snyder would be the best 4 man dline in the nfl (kididng).

I would be just as happy if an ot slips to us at 13 and we take jouhnson in the 3rd. Would address both of our biggest needs ol and dl.

Posted by: SmokeyBandit | April 20, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

No QB, no LB, this is the best draft for OT's, so the draft pick should be for a young OT, well...just have to wait until Saturday to see, and who cares what Sanchez likes to eat...go 'skins

Posted by: forbesv | April 20, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Retarded. Sanchez will be top 5 and Orakpo will be top 8. Anyone who even thinks one of the 2 slip to 13 can't have a clue and is wasting everyone's time here.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 9:39 PM
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If it weren't for the Danny, no one would be projecting Sanchez higher than the 49er's pick at number 10.

And there were plenty of posts at WalterFootball from LOL49ers fans who DO NOT WANT. (Not as many as from Detroit fans who DO NOT WANT Stafford, but what the hey.)

Sanchez is not worth a top 10 pick.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Anquan Boldin is worth the 13th pick plus next year's 3rd round pick. Pull the trade Vinny.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 20, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"But there was no reported mention of the Orakpo dinner....kind of strange."

Lisa I think b/c the restuarant didn't release a press release like the Sanchez joint did.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 20, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

if it weren't for the Danny, no one would be projecting Sanchez higher than the 49er's pick at number 10.

Sanchez is not worth a top 10 pick.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 20, 2009

Campbell was ranked 4th at the position in 2005. While Sanchez is ranked 2nd, in spite of the lack of experience he was the most "polished" in spite of a dearth of experience. This year's crop of QB's is not very good. Detroit may pass on Stafford.

In a year with better Qbs available Sanchez would be a #2. Not even a "solid" #2 like Campbell. The biggest complaints about Campbell was accuracy long and a "lack of leadership" because he was too quiet. Sound familiar? Yet he was described as a hard worker who survived 4 different offensive systems in 4 years. Now, the poor guy gets stuck with Snyder and the circus side-show he has turned the Redskins into. He deserved better than to be drafted by the Redskins when Gibbs probably knew he and Snyder wouldn't last together. He deserved and deserves better than Danny's folly.

So, yes go ahead and draft Sanchez Snidely, turn the Redskins into a consistent 3 win per year team like the Raaaaaiduhs are because of Al Davis. Ravage the team, look like a foolish little Lord Faunteleroy with a Napolean complex. Just don't do it to quality people like Jason Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

This is gonna be a loooong week...

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Boldin for our #1 this year? Probably do that. For a #1 and #3. Probably do that. But I have a bias towards players who have proven themselves.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Smokescreen. They're trying to fan the interest in Sanchez and Orakpo to get another player they really want (A. Smith or M. Oher?) to fall to them. Yeah that's it or at least that's what I'm clinging to.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Boldin for #13 and ARE...

Posted by: siris | April 21, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Boldin for ARE straight up -- ARE is master of the wildcat, and wildcat is the wave of the future. Tall, all-pro receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: daggar | April 21, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Boldin for ARE straight up -- ARE is master of the wildcat, and wildcat is the wave of the future. Tall, all-pro receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: daggar

I'd hoped the Skins would have a legit #2 WR, and then could use ARE as QB backup. My guess is he'd be pretty good

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder (tne Snidely Owl of Woodward high) said:

“I made some real stupid decisions,” he says. “I made a lot of mistakes. I’m human.”

“He was not Dan’s guy,” Rodgers says.
Says Snyder: “My mistake.” To give Schottenheimer control beyond coaching, that is.

“That was another mistake,” he says. “Charging fans to see training camp. Dumb move.”

the Redskins had a 7–6 record, and Snyder lost patience. He called Turner into his office at 11 am on December 4 and let him go.

“It was one of my worst moves,” he says. “It was plain stupid. I was a new owner pissed about losing.”

“It was done in 30 seconds,” says Snyder. That’s all it took for Snyder to hand over the Redskins and give up his role as owner/coach:

Snidely, Snidely, still making the same mistake over-and-over again. You need to give up your role as owner coach or you will continue to lose each year worst than the last. Trading up to draft Mark Sanchez will surely end up being one of your most monumental mistakes that you will surely rue.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Boldin for ARE straight up -- ARE is master of the wildcat, and wildcat is the wave of the future. Tall, all-pro receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: daggar | April 21, 2009 1:10 AM | ======================================

Daggar for Federation President!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 21, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

What is so amazing is that the law of averages suggests you should have success in the NFL is you spend more than the other guys. And the Skins under Snyder haven't been close to success.

I do agree that firing Marty was a huge mistake ... perhaps Danny's biggest ... and I knew it at the time.

Marty clearly knew what he was doing (despite too much nepotism). Heck, the last coach to turn around an 0-5 start and get to 8-8 was Joe Gibbs in his first year. Next season came Lombardi #1. Marty did pretty much the same thing, bad start, strong finish.

But Snyder didn't let that history try to repeat itself.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Smokescreen. They're trying to fan the interest in Sanchez and Orakpo to get another player they really want (A. Smith or M. Oher?) to fall to them. Yeah that's it or at least that's what I'm clinging to.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I actually think this is the plan, with part B being trade the 13 to DET with the 3rd to get Detroit's 20 and 33. We can pick DE/LB/Eban Britton at 20, and get either Alex Mack OR Max Unger at 33.

The Redskins are in no man's land at 13. They need to be further up or further back to get their needs met on a vlaue basis. To me the biggest glaring need is a solid starter with upside at C/G, but you don't really draft a C/G in the top 8, not this year anyway. If Dock, Rabach or Randy goes down, we are suckin' hind tata for sure as the roster currently reads.

The key, I think, is getting A. Smith or Oher to fall to 13 for Detroit to get to protect Stafford's a$$.

I really think there is NO WAY Vermont Ave NY Veal chop house or WTF its called puts out a PRESS RELEASE with out Dan's permission and direction. Not if they want any repeat business... and are restaurants in the habit of putting out press releases because somebody famous in DC came to eat in their joint?? They are if the customer drafts one up and slips them an extra grand or two to issue the thing.

Seattle was thinking OT or WR. If all this buzz can get them to a) grab Sanchez or b) get the J E T S Jets Jets Jets at 17 to jump to 4, its a great way to get an OT to get one spot closer to 13. I think we only need one to fall for Detroit to pull the trigger.

Thats my prediction, anyway, and we only have 5 days left to see what happens. Trade the 13 with DETROIT if 1/4 OT is there and use the 20 and the 33 to get the players they really need for the proper value of the picks.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 21, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

What does the Holt signing do as far as JAX intentions at number 8?

Do we move the 13 and the 3rd or 5th rounder to go get A. Smith at 8? I'd prefer that over jumping to 4 to get Sanchez.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 21, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Just an opinion on the rumors.

Would the 2-5 year prospects for the Skins be better if:

1. they trade this year's #1 for Boldin and a #3 pick from 2010

or

2. trade this years #1 and next years #1 for Sanchez

My analysis ...

Campbell gets a better OL, since the Skins will have #1 in 2010, and a better WR in Boldin. Boldin dramatically upgrades both the #2 and #3 WR slots. Boldin over ARE as the #2 guy and ARE becomes a #3 over Thrash!! Boldin is probably less expensive than Sanchez, though both will cost a boatload.

Even if Sanchez is better (and there is only a 25% chance of that according to history), he'd have significantly less talent to work with.

THIS IS NOT A CLOSE CALL!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 3:53 AM | Report abuse

My grades for the Skins offseason moves to date. I've only included guys I know something about in this list. The cost of the contract is a factor for the higher priced players. Any move rated a B or better is something I agree with. C- or worse means I disagree.

Guys added:
Dockery A- (pricey, but fills a key need)
Haynesworth C (too many eggs in one basket)
LB Robert Thomas B-
DE Renaldo Wynn B+ (because Evans had already left)

Guys Dropped:
Demetric Evans F
Ryan Plackemeier B
Shawn Springs B
Jason Taylor B+
Marcus Washington A

Major re-signings:
Albright A
Daniels B+ (because Evans had already left)
Doughty B
Fincher B
Golston A
Hall C+ (too many eggs in one basket)
Montgomery A
Suisham B (signing doesn't prevent his being replaced)

Overall, I'm pretty much in agreement with what the Skins have done. Only one move was a total disagreement (Evans). Some key moves like Albert and Hall are both problematic, since they have great talent, but they suck up so much cap room that it makes it harder to upgrade other slots.

The other that is problematic to me is Robert Thomas. I'd hope for us to pick Curry and the investment in Thomas seems to close down that opportunity.

Their talent is real and we lost something valuable when Springs, JT and Marcus were let go. But mgmt was right to move on. They were good part time players, but getting paid as if they were very good full time players. Of note, if Boldin, Crabtree and/or Edwards come to the NFC East, Springs will be missed a bunch more.

All in all, the Skins have done well on most of their decisions. The issue is that their two biggest decisions are not among their better ones. Not because the players lack talent, but because of the price tag.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2009 5:04 AM | Report abuse

"Marty clearly knew what he was doing... the last coach to turn around an 0-5 start and get to 8-8 was Joe Gibbs in his first year. Next season came Lombardi #1. Marty did pretty much the same thing, bad start, strong finish.But Snyder didn't let that history try to repeat itself.Posted by: zcezcest1"

You have to admit, though, history probably wouldn't have repeated itself. That's what made Gibbs' achievement so unusual in the first place.

I always like Marty as a coach. I recognize, however, that owners tend not to. He demands a great deal of control, and doesn't suck up very well to the guy with the checkbook. Those are killers in the big-ego world of NFL ownership. Dan Snyder was just beginning to discover how titanic his own ego could grow. If Marty'd stayed, we probably would have seen an eruption early the next season.

Spurrier wsa a disaster, of course, not that most people realized it when he was hired. He seemed like an ideal fit for a young, ambitious owner who'd do anything for a title.

I do think Dan's the wrong character type for long term NFL success. He comes from a world where perception is reality and substance is far less important than style. That's partly why he's gone for the big, plashy signing in free agency, and also why he/s been so successful at luring players into his den. He's a salesman. A really good salesman.

THe fans dislike him, though. THey're only interested in one thing, and Dan hasn't delivered it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is high on Sanchez?

Well, he's gotta be high on SOMETHING, doesn't he? Who knew he's been smoking the Sanchez this whole time.

Danny's got a Quarterback fetish and it's getting out of hand.

Orakpo scares me. That's a lot of weight he gained. He's got the zits and the puffy face (sterioids) and he sounds pretty dang injury prone. Hope I'm wrong.

Keep tokin' the Sanchez, Buddy.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 21, 2009 5:27 AM | Report abuse

This is gonna be a loooong week...

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 11:37 PM

No, this week will seem like nothing. The lonnnngggg week up here begins the minute that Goodell announces the Redskins first selection. That might be the second pick in the draft -- Kansas City's -- because Pioli would love a trade down. And that lonnnnnnggggg week could last until Sanchez goes to his first Pro Bowl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 21, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE......anyone but Sanchez(or any other QB)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 21, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

I seriousy doubt that Marty would have brought a Lombardi trophy here. The last playoff game he won was with Joe Montana as his starting QB. We'd have been much better in the regular season but would have tanked in the playoffs on a regular basis. But, hey, I'd take that over what it's been like here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

I seriousy doubt that Marty would have brought a Lombardi trophy here. The last playoff game he won was with Joe Montana as his starting QB. We'd have been much better in the regular season but would have tanked in the playoffs on a regular basis. But, hey, I'd take that over what it's been like here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the three QBs who will go first, there are negatives on all of them.

Stafford's senior campaign was underwhelming. He was on a top-rated team going into the season, and failed to live up to his billing. Of course, so did the team, despite stellar runners and receivers. Some of that preseason rating was based on a bowl game where they beat up on a Colt Brennan. Still, Stafford's season was less impressive than the one before.

Sanchez got better results, but didn't stay in school that long. In fact, Pete Carroll went to the trouble of informing the world at Sanchez' own press conference that Sanchez wasn't ready to leave USC. That can't have been fun for Sanchez. Plus the Pac 10 wss having something of an off-year.

Freeman is inconsistency personified. He played in the Big 12, against defenses that weren't quite as tough as Stafford saw in the SEC. Freeman's the boom or bust guy in this class.

Overall, it just doesn't seem like that strong a group. You wonder at Stafford possibly going first when he's apparently not as good a candidate as Matt Ryan, who went third. When you hear what Dan Snyder might have to give up to get KC's number one slot, you wonder if Chicago wasn't smart to grab Jay Cutler, who looks to me like a better prospect than either rookie.

Oh well. We'll see what happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 21, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

We will not trade up for Sanchez. Too risky. I think we grab the best buy we can at 13 and its a fairly mundane draft.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

SANCHEZ HELL NO picking him makes no sense when there are glaring needs on the offensive line, defensive line and linebacker positions!

I wish somebody in the Redskin organization would speak up about how this inept owner is ruining the franchise. I understand times are hard but the whistle blower will find another job because the NFL understands how dysfunctional Snyder is as a defacto GM,

If Snyder feels Flacko's success or Ryans success is a model to follow he has to look at the strengths of those teams and the systems that they run compared to what the Redskins are trying to do.

The Skins need an immediate upgrade on the offensive line, we need to find out if Zorn prevented Jason Campbell from improvising or throwing down field , we have to find out why a Mackey award winning rookie tight end couldn't contribute on the field last year I don't buy this crap about him not knowing the plays. We need to find out who had to have Malcolm Kelley knowing that he had a history of knee problems!

The NFL has a lot of ego driven coaches and I believe Zorn is the type of guy if you don't do it his precise way you sit, in theory that is good but if you have athletes you run got dam plays to their strengths!

Don't draft Sanchez!!!!!!!!! He is more then over rated

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 21, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

You know what i've had a change of heart. I hope we do go after Sanchez. I hope we draft him and he turns out to be the next John Elway. Now, I hate John Elway don't get me wrong but people in Denver LOVE him. I want to have that relationship (infatuation) in a non-gay way with the Skins QB. I support JC17 but I don't love the guy. I want to have a Peter King/john Madden/Tony kornheiser man crush on my team's QB. Is that so wrong?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

peri

'....They have critical needs in many places, but FROM almost any perspective the need appears greatest on the offensive line....'

Not to argue the point, but with the team having spent the baby's milk money on Hall and Haynesworth during FA, it really needs to supplement and justify the expense by adding a dynamic linebacker.

Even if the 13th pick is a slb like Orakpo, the team can still find a quality offensive lineman (center/guard) in the 3rd round.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: swowra | April 21, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"I want to have a Peter King/john Madden/Tony kornheiser man crush on my team's QB. Is that so wrong?"

Yea, maybe it's just me...but I started to like football because of guys hitting each other. I had a man crush on ST21 for that reason.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

swowra,
nice work.
Very comprehensive.

A1, B2, B3.

Hail!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 21, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

You know what i've had a change of heart. I hope we do go after Sanchez. I hope we draft him and he turns out to be the next John Elway. Now, I hate John Elway don't get me wrong but people in Denver LOVE him. I want to have that relationship (infatuation) in a non-gay way with the Skins QB. I support JC17 but I don't love the guy. I want to have a Peter King/john Madden/Tony kornheiser man crush on my team's QB. Is that so wrong?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I really think there is NO WAY Vermont Ave NY Veal chop house or WTF its called puts out a PRESS RELEASE with out Dan's permission and direction. Not if they want any repeat business... and are restaurants in the habit of putting out press releases because somebody famous in DC came to eat in their joint?? They are if the customer drafts one up and slips them an extra grand or two to issue the thing.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Skinsfan, I tend to agree with you about this. On Espn 980, the Sanchez dinner was brought up and Doc Walker laughed and said "well, Dan obviously was not trying to hide it." Doc went on to say that Dan has a very nice home and could have had the dinner there.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 21, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

As the Washington Redskins continue to prepare for the second year of the Jim Zorn era, we're hearing ongoing chatter that, come 2010, the head coach of the team will be former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan(profootballtalk) Personally im getting tired of all this what coach is gonna be ours next year i got the answer to that...Zorn just another case of front office blaming the coaches for there stupid trades/draft picks.

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 21, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"Colon Cowherd"- What greater excuse for a pile of bullsh*t ever walked the Earth??

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's loopy. This whole PDA with Sanchez is bizarre. Even if the team were in love with Sanchez, why advertise it? It just worsens the team's position. Campbell gets alienated, which isn't good whether we get Sanchez (I hope not) or we don't. And, it worsens the team's bargaining position on draft day... everyone sees how Snyder is burning bridges with Campbell. I really don't understand. Campbell may not be great, but he'd be a whole lot better with a good O line and another year or two with Zorn. D needs plenty, O needs plenty. Why f around with Sanchez?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Why f around with Sanchez?"

Because it makes sure somebody selects Sanchez before the Redskins pick at #13. That changes the Redskins chances of drafting the guy they really do want from 1/13 to 1/12 (which in reality is greater than that given the other top 10 "locks", such as Stafford, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, etc.).

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Boldin would be nice, but for the same price , we probably could get one of the top three OTs and jack up BOTH Campbell and Portis's numbers to the stratosphere..If not , grab Curry and we'll be the Super owl Ravens (without Smokey Stover, but an ok midling kicker in Squeeze-ham), top defense with a "grind it out in the Verdun trenches" offense, attrition warfare..But so many different needs on this team , any of the above choices makes sense..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

judging by the latest rumors that Snyder has a preliminary deal in place with Cleveland to trade up if Dirty Sanchez is there. I have one question.

When Dan Snyder wakes up every morning and walks nude to his full length mirror (which I assume is laced with gold) He does at least one of the following.

1. Puts on a tux and does a fake James Bone impression pretending to pull out a gun and point it at the mirror for 15 minutes.

2. Walks up naked to the mirror and flexes his muscles looks at himself for about five minutes and then shouts at the mirror "YOU SIR HAVE THE BODY OF A GOD!"

3. Gets to the mirror and removes the burger-king crown he has sitting on the headstand in front of him, puts that on and says "Its good to be the king".

4. Walks up to the mirror wearing his full custom Redskins Uniform with pads. The Jersey says "Snyder" on the back with the no. 1 stitched in. Snyder is holding a football, well trying to anyway, he keeps dropping it every time he pretends to go back for a pass. Larry Michael is standing in the doorway and does fake play by play "With 5 seconds to go in super-bowl 47, the redskins are down by 4 with, on 4th and 2 at the opponents 20 yard line. Snyder has the ball under center he drop back, pump-fakes, throws! TOUCHDOWN! SNYDER WINS!"

Then Dan snyder runs around his bedroom for 5 minutes screaming and jumping and trying to tackle Michael.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

>>Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 8:38 AM
>>You know what i've had a change of heart. I hope we do
>>go after Sanchez. I hope we draft him and he turns out
>>to be the next John Elway. Now, I hate John Elway don't
>>get me wrong but people in Denver LOVE him. I want to
>>have that relationship (infatuation) in a non-gay way with
>>the Skins QB. I support JC17 but I don't love the guy. I >>want to have a Peter King/john Madden/Tony kornheiser
>>man crush on my team's QB. Is that so wrong?

Yes, that's way wrong. If you need to come out of the closet, fine. Do it. But, don't ever be a stupid fan. Fans don't have relationships with players. You root for the team; you don't drool over players as people. What's wrong with you?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

*James Bond DOH

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Seriously do you guys really think we will trade of for Dirty Sanch? I just do not think they are that dumb. Dumb but not that dumb. It goes beyond all common sense. JC17 is probably more nervous than we as fans. Putting this poor guy through hell, then asking him to come out and have his best season or else. Hope the Brass does whats right and gets him some protection.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

NO to Orakpo! He's a bust....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

To further expound, if he comes in to a 4-3, he has no stated position. DE on Pass downs and play LB on Run downs? Then all the other team will have to do is pass on run downs and run on passing downs! Disaster......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo has roid zits and puffy face. Bad knees and hammies. I say for D we get jackson or Ayers. O line Oher or A.Smith. I am OK with Malauga, but his name hasn't been mentioned much. Trade back for late first and maybe a late second or another 3rd.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Also, no way we can sign him.

Vinny will be persecuted in the same light as when he drafted MK12. Knee Injuries. Final proof that we will not take him and why even the WashPost or us up here are even talking about him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I hope the brass took JC aside last week and said "Okay, sorry about the Cutler stuff, but now that everyone thinks we're not sold on you we're gonna lay it on thick about trading up to get Sanchez. Don't worry, we're getting you a right tackle instead."

Posted by: countystyle | April 21, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I am OK with Malauga, but his name hasn't been mentioned much

********************

Which means that's probably who we'll end up with. And that's okay with me too.

Posted by: countystyle | April 21, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I may be warming up to Jackson over Orakpo. The injury issues worry me. Jackson could end up being a Richard Seymour type player (better suited for the 3-4, but still useful).

So I may augment my "DE" big board to go (1) Maybin, (2) Jackson, (3) Orakpo, (4) Brown, (5) Ayers

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Why f around with Sanchez?"

Because it makes sure somebody selects Sanchez before the Redskins pick at #13. That changes the Redskins chances of drafting the guy they really do want from 1/13 to 1/12 (which in reality is greater than that given the other top 10 "locks", such as Stafford, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, etc.).

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 9:03 AM |

And we know that Snyder's pulling a sting because... he's done it before (no); he never shows his real cards (no); wishful thinking (yes). I hope you're right, but tell me how Snyder's PDA with Sanchez moves the kid higher and kicks one of the Ts or DEs down one spot. You think that because of Synder some team holding a pick after the Skins will trade in front of us to pick Sanchez or that a team picking before the Skins will change their mind and draft Sanchez? You're pushing a rope.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Maybin only have 1 good year at PSU? Someone told me that he was a 1 year wonder. I mean its a total crap shoot with the draft. Any one of those guys could be the next Freeney or Jason Taylor (when he was good). So you just have to get lucky I guess and hope you pick the right guy.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The 243 lb Maybin??

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I like the 293 LB Jackson from LSU. But thats just me.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

To further expound, if he comes in to a 4-3, he has no stated position. DE on Pass downs and play LB on Run downs? Then all the other team will have to do is pass on run downs and run on passing downs! Disaster......

Posted by: 4thFloor |

Puh-leeeze, not like we haven't done this before: M. Washington , Levar , we've lined up like that for years..Orakpo might be ok, but I wouldn't trade up for him. And on second thought, I wouldn't trade a 1st and a 3rd for Boldin- he's almost 30 and if you traded up for Maclin or Crabtree, you'd also get a serious kick return threat..OT is still the necessary mother..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

>>Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 8:38 AM
>>You know what i've had a change of heart. I hope we do
>>go after Sanchez. I hope we draft him and he turns out
>>to be the next John Elway. Now, I hate John Elway don't
>>get me wrong but people in Denver LOVE him. I want to
>>have that relationship (infatuation) in a non-gay way with
>>the Skins QB. I support JC17 but I don't love the guy. I >>want to have a Peter King/john Madden/Tony kornheiser
>>man crush on my team's QB. Is that so wrong?

Yes, that's way wrong. If you need to come out of the closet, fine. Do it. But, don't ever be a stupid fan. Fans don't have relationships with players. You root for the team; you don't drool over players as people. What's wrong with you?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Dude do you own a jersey? Who's number is on it? who's name is stitched on the back? My point is yes, I'm a Skins fan first and foremost but why can't I get that one dude that this franchise is built around? You can't help but have favorites. There is nothing wrong with that is there?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Any guy touted for being a speed rusher in the (not so) Big 10 is very scary to me. Give me Jackson, Orakpo, Brown and Ayers before Maybin.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 21, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan Eventually To Surface With ‘Skins?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 9:59 p.m.

As the Washington Redskins continue to prepare for the second year of the Jim Zorn era, we’re hearing ongoing chatter that, come 2010, the head coach of the team will be former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.

Of course, the ‘Skins might not end up getting a clear shot at Shanahan. With Cowboys coach Wade Phillips entering the final year of his contract and a new deal unlikely, Jerry Jones likely will be looking for a new head coach, too.

In the end, Shanahan’s final destination might come down to money. Specifically, the question will be the extent to which any team is willing to exceed the $7 million that Shanahan is due to receive from the Broncos regardless of whether he works next season.

So maybe, just maybe, the team’s flirtation with USC quarterback Mark Sanchez has less to do with making an impact in 2009, and more to do with helping set the table for Shanahan in 2010.

I say if that's the end game than get Sanchez, cause anything is better than more year of impish Vinny and his idiotic ways.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"You think that because of Synder some team holding a pick after the Skins will trade in front of us to pick Sanchez or that a team picking before the Skins will change their mind and draft Sanchez"

Absolutely. The NY Jets are in desperate need of a QB. If they want really want Sanchez, they know they have to trade in front of the Redskins to get him.

And likewise, the Broncos are without a future QB either. They hold the #12 and #18 picks. If they were hoping he'd be there at 18, they now know they'd at the very least have to select him at 12.

"And we know that Snyder's pulling a sting because... he's done it before (no)"

Yes, he has actually. Last season, he showed strong interest in both Branden Albert and Jeff Otah, even though it was widely thought that the Redskins biggest "need" was a WR. The result? Kansas City traded up to #15 to select Branden Albert, Carolina traded up to #19 to select Jeff Otah. The Redskins held #21. And they had the choice of any receiver in the draft (though they ultimately decided to trade down due to the likelihood that one of the receivers they coveted would still be there in the 2nd).

"he never shows his real cards (no)"

No, sometimes he does. That's why it's impossible to know what he's going to do or what he really wants.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Frak - MWash and Levar got injured while already on the Redskins team, not before we drafted and/or signed them. You are not comparing oranges with oranges...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 21, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"Didn't Maybin only have 1 good year at PSU? Someone told me that he was a 1 year wonder."

Yes. He's also a sophomore. That's not the same as a guy like Robert Ayers, who played 4 years, yet only won a starting spot in his senior year.

Maybin would be a future guy. At first, he'd be purely a rotational pass-rusher -- but a damn good one. He does, however, have plenty of room to grow physically due to his youth. What you draft now isn't what he will look like in a year or two after he's packed on the pounds. He's an explosive pass-rusher, and that's exactly what this team has been missing since Lavar Arrington in his first 2-3 seasons (and he wasn't even a lineman).

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

psps23, thanks for the info. Would you be ok with drafting a potential guy with 13 or would you want a guy that can make our team better right now?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I understand everyone is all worried about this getting Sanchez thing and all that, personally, I'm not and I hope they do it as long as it doesn't cost us our 3rd this year. If its a 1 and a 1 or a 2 next year I'm fine with it. JC isn't the guy, I know I know, its the systems, the oline, the receivers, and everybody but JC. I disagree, IMHO a good QB makes all those things better, a mediocre QB (which JC is) needs all those things to be exceptional to be successful. McNabb has been a great QB for years and he has never had a Santanna Moss or Cooley to throw to or even that great an oline, for years Brady was the man with a bunch of no name receivers. A great QB raises the level of those around him, JC needs those around him to raise his level. He's ok, he's not bad, but he aint special. IMHO and from a couplet things I've read, Sanchez would be the #1 overall pick next year if he stayed in school. If we can get him and an upgrade at RG, we've had a great offseason. Heyer was solid on the left side playing next to Kendall, if you put him on the right side next to a strong guard he's good enough for now and we're a legit playoff team immediately. Then next year you let Shanahan revamp the oline and install a system around a talented young QB instead of a really nice guy and great teammate who is a mediocre QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Would you be ok with drafting a potential guy with 13 or would you want a guy that can make our team better right now?

Posted by: FedorEm"

Depends. I think Maybin would make our team better. Not as an everydown starter, but he would instantly be the best pass-rusher on the team. He wouldn't be a pure project, just a rotational guy in year 1.

Thing is, I don't see any D-Linemen starting from the get-go should we draft them (unless Carter or Daniels get injured). Not Ayers, not Jackson, not Orakpo, none of them. The only picks I would see as immediate starters would be LBs (which a guy like Orakpo may transition to) or an OT. But the thing is, IMO, none of the LBs outside of Curry hold the same potential that the DEs do in this draft. To me, their potential outweighs the ability to play immediately from a guy like Maualuga.

I'm on record as saying the Skins should draft an OT first and foremost. Any one of the top 4. But, if the Skins do opt to go defensive, I'd take any of those DEs before I'd take an LB outside of Curry. Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan Eventually To Surface With ‘Skins?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 9:59 p.m.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 21, 2009 9:48 AM |

Cork knows more than this guy, and writes better, too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 21, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Would much rather have Cowher than Shanahan.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I want o line first too. Lets just hope that they do address a need rather than a luxury. Its nice that we will have some choices at 13. Maybe some crazy sh*t happens and some of the top tier guys will be available when we pick.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if I seem out of touch. Who is this Mike Florio and where can I read his posts?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor - I agree , thats whatta bodda me about Orakpo- but not the tweenerism he's what ,265??), which were roles M.Washington and Levar have filled before at DE/LB..Maybe we can rotate Sanchez between DE, LB, OT and WR, that makes sense..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The one I could say about this FO and coaching staff is that they seem to have a pretty good template for the types of players they want on their defense. Therefore, if their first pick in the draft is going to be a defensive player, whomever they draft, be it Orakpo,Maybin, Ayers, etc, I'm confident that player will be productive in this defense. I can't say as much about the offensive side of the ball, which begs for the same kind of consistency in scheme and personnel.

Posted by: TWISI | April 21, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

to psps23:

i'm not sure i agree with everything you say, but you have a plausible argument. i hope u r right, that snyder's being wily instead of wild. thanks for providing some optimism. the thought of blowing another draft has been nauseating.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This could actually be enticing. you have wilson play with his hand down and Orakpo rush the off the end on the same side. that could be hard to defend.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 21, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

we should offer a combo of this yrs 1st rounder, next years 1st and 3rd rounders for brady quinn

Posted by: fullonfully | April 21, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Danny listens to Sonny...they are both chasing the "white whale" of quarterbacks. Thats where all this Sanchez talk comes from. And we all know what happened to Capt. Ahab and his crew, now dont we...

Posted by: oddjob2 | April 21, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if I seem out of touch. Who is this Mike Florio and where can I read his posts?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 10:13 AM |

Fedor,

Mike Florio runs www.profootballtalk.com you can go there to read his stuff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

anyone over 250 pounds should be the rule for the 1st round. the heavier the better.
250+ lb ok
260+ def. end ok.
300+ o lineman the best.
please snyder be smart. we need the beef.
please no sanchez.

Posted by: jnicol2 | April 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I hear Snyder likes Sausage more than beef.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

My preference is to sit tight at 13 and see who's available. It would really be nice to have all 7 picks next year. And who knows? Maybe we'll be able to trade down from 13 and get some more picks this year. All I know is that this trading up nonsense needs to stop.

Posted by: countystyle | April 21, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Flounder21. I will indeed read his stuff. Is is saturday yet?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 21, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Thank God Sanchez is gone.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo, Jackson, & Raji

Now you're talking.

I hope Smith, Oher, and britton, or Beatty are next.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

2009 3rd round pick, ARE, 2010 first round pick for Boldin.

Get it done Snyder

Posted by: Broman17 | April 21, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Could getting Sanchez be an attempt to get Pete Carroll?

Just starting rumors.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 21, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The history of the draft shows that at least one player expected to go in the top ten drops significantly. In this draft, outside of Curry, J. Smith, and Monroe, any one of the others could drop. What happens if Stafford doesn't go to Detriot? A lot of teams don't like him as much as Sanchez. While it is likely that Orakpo, Crabtree, Sanchez, A. Smith, Stafford, Maclin, Raji, Oher and Maybin will go before the Redskins draft at 13 if you were to consider each player's potential draft spot individually, it is unlikely that all of them will be gone. It only takes a few draft day curveballs to have at least one of those players available. Then you have a scenario where the Redskins could draft he best DE/OL (god forbid QB) or tempt another team to trade up for their pick to get a quality player that has dropped.

Don't trade up and wait to see what player(s) drop to you and then consider your options.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 21, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

2009 3rd round pick, ARE, 2010 first round pick for Boldin.

Get it done Snyder

Posted by: Broman17

That's kinda interesting, considering 2010 doesn't have a salary cap...(yet)..
If there remains no cap next year, then the Skins can start to fill some of the other needs , like G and LB..But if you do what you suggest, you get your tall redzone deepballer AND fill the need for an OT , with the 13th pick...But that would preclude a level of savviness that certain people lack in the FO..

Posted by: frak | April 21, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

2009 3rd round pick, ARE, 2010 first round pick for Boldin.

Get it done Snyder

Posted by: Broman17 | April 21, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Put who would return punts??

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 21, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

There's been a lot of talk about how many 1st round QBs were washouts, but what about DEs? It seems to me like a lot of highly drafted DEs underperform in the bigs. Last year: Gholston to the Jets at #6, Harvey to the Jags at #8.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Don't trade up and wait to see what player(s) drop to you and then consider your options.

Posted by: CTSkins

great draft day motto.

only exception would be if you had a glaring need at a certain position. I wouldn't consider any of our needs glaring.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

only exception would be if you had a glaring need at a certain position. I wouldn't consider any of our needs glaring.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I would consider you a moron. How bout Sam LB?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

2009 3rd round pick, ARE, 2010 first round pick for Boldin.

Get it done Snyder

Posted by: Broman17

we still only have 2 proven WR's in this scenario, a lot to give up and still may need a WR sometime soon. I really think Thomas and Davis will improve a lot, but it hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

There's been a lot of talk about how many 1st round QBs were washouts, but what about DEs? It seems to me like a lot of highly drafted DEs underperform in the bigs. Last year: Gholston to the Jets at #6, Harvey to the Jags at #8.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How bout you give them a few seasons to prove if they are washouts? Jesus tap dancing christ people. Try not to act on your immediate gratification impulses. Kinda like Dan Snyder... hence the state of the franchise...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

only exception would be if you had a glaring need at a certain position. I wouldn't consider any of our needs glaring.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I would consider you a moron. How bout Sam LB?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

How about Blades, Thomas, Fincher, Wilson. I don't care what you would consider me.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Im pretty sure the Skins can't trade ARE due to his cap numbers. Im pretty sure the same principles apply if he were to be cut. Can someone who does research confirm this? Flounder? Psps23?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

There's been a lot of talk about how many 1st round QBs were washouts, but what about DEs? It seems to me like a lot of highly drafted DEs underperform in the bigs. Last year: Gholston to the Jets at #6, Harvey to the Jags at #8.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How bout you give them a few seasons to prove if they are washouts? Jesus tap dancing christ people. Try not to act on your immediate gratification impulses. Kinda like Dan Snyder... hence the state of the franchise...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 11:50 AM

Shouldn't you expect a top ten pick to come in and perform right away?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

How bout you give them a few seasons to prove if they are washouts? Jesus tap dancing christ people. Try not to act on your immediate gratification impulses. Kinda like Dan Snyder... hence the state of the franchise...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

like the chance everyone hass given #11, #12, & #86, and Reinhardt whatever # he is?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep means there is a new post come on over.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't you expect a top ten pick to come in and perform right away?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

like the chance everyone hass given #11, #12, & #86, and Reinhardt whatever # he is?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I would expect/hope a top 10 guy would come in and start. But if he didnt, I would reserve my judgement of him till maybe season 3 to consider him a bust/washout/whatever you wana call him.
I reserve judgement for 3 2nd rounders also. And yes you do care about what I think of you pabryan2001. You want one of those guys you listed to go into the season as your starter? Are you serious? A top 10 defense from last year, who added a huge DT to go into the season with a gaping hole at SLB and hoping that one of these guys works out? Im sure they could cover for that, but it keep the D from its potential.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 21, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

va beach super cool,

I wouldn't trade up to get a LB is what I mean.

And, Blades was a starter on a top 10 D last season, so maybe re-watch a game or 2 to jog your memory.

3-no I don't care what you think of me

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

correction top 4 D

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

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