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Redskins last in young talent

Football Outsiders' Bill Barnwell did a ranking for ESPN that examines each team's under-25 talent level. The results do not reflect favorably on the aging Redskins. In fact, they couldn't be worse.

Barnwell says the Redskins have the least young talent in the league; he ranks Washington No. 32 on his list. So perhaps this lends a bit of credence to the idea that the future is now?

The entire list is worth reading, but here's what Barnwell says about the Redskins:

Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan have inherited a wasteland from Vinny Cerrato, who used his draft picks to acquire "has-beens" and "never-weres." As a result, the Redskins only have four "young" starters, and two of them (wideout Devin Thomas and safety LaRon Landry) have been professional flops. Outside linebacker Brian Orakpo was extremely effective last year, and rookie tackle Trent Williams should start on the left side from Day One. The only notable young players behind them are tight end Fred Davis and backup linebacker H.B. Blades.

If you're curious, the Cowboys were ranked No. 20, the Giants No. 17, Eagles No. 13 and the Texans No. 1.

By Rick Maese  |  July 14, 2010; 2:00 PM ET
Categories:  Brian Orakpo  
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Never been 1st before. I thought people had alerts go off for them when that happened.

Posted by: wisdom80 | July 14, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Should we be shocked?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 14, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And a vast wasteland it was.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 14, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I only have 2 comments:

1. I'm pretty sure no front office in the league give a &^%3 what bill Barnwell thinks

2. F Vinny

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | July 14, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, calling Devin & LaRon flops shows that they truly are "football outsiders." Neither have been world beaters, but they're not JaMarcus either. Devin made strides last year & LaRon should make strides again in his more natural position.

Posted by: wisdom80 | July 14, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but we went to the playoffs twice in 10 years - as a #6 seed both times.

Totally worth it.

Posted by: Scoonie97 | July 14, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

the flip side to this is that MS and BA might need time to bring in their own "young talent"... meanwhile, fill holes however best you can w/ veterans that are available in this strange year of free agency.

the whole "win-now" versus "rebuild" dichotomy seems misleading... every NFL team is in a perpetual state of trying to win and improve w/ some combination of vets and younger players.

would be curious to see the relationship between average (median, mode, whatever your flavor) age and W-L record, for anyone who is motivated and inclined to dig up those stats.

there are also all sorts of time-series autocorrelation analyses that would be interesting to tackle in this respect.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Should we be shocked?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 14, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This might be new to some people, but any Redskins Fan has known this for years. With Vinny consistently giving away Draft picks for trash, there is obviously no way we could have a stockpile of young talent on this team. That was his MO.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 14, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Devin and Laron aren't really flops, they were hindered by a braindead coach.

The new staff will get the most out of these guys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I can't for the life of me see how Jason Reid can call Devon Thomas and Laron Landry flops.He really doesn't know a thing about football.How he still has a job is the mystery of the century.

Posted by: donondrum | July 14, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, I have it on good authority that CBS Entertainment was auditioning "talent" for the next edition of Celebrity Big Brother... the Over-the-Hill, Has Been and Never Was Edition... and decided to hire the Washington Redskins organization en masse... team, coaching staff, front office, marching band and stadium program and popcorn sellers too. The new series debuts live from Ashburn, Va., on July 28 on your local CBS affiliate.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 14, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What Snyder, who is the owner and the decider, doesn't seem to realize is that when other teams give up a star or former star, they usually know something. Often it is health. We lost a right tackle before the first practice. Do you really think that Philadelphia would have given MacNabb to Washington of all teams if they thought he would play that much of the year?

Posted by: jhough1 | July 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

This is crap reporting. The implication that an NFL team is old is a bad thing is preposterous. Sure, the Skins were #1 in 2009, but the Saints and Cardinals are #2 and #3.

On the other extreme, the Colts and Packers were #31 and #32 respectively. All playoff teams. In fact, if one were to categorize the teams into 3 categories, you would find that 4 playoff teams came from the youngest 11 teams, 4 came from the middle 11 teams, and 4 came from the oldest 10 teams.

Fail on objective reporting here.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

*From last thread, sorry*

some use penetrating NTs.

Fat Al could fit at all the positions.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 14, 2010 1:37 PM

That's what she said.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: donondrum | July 14, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Rick Maese posted this entry... second of all you know that funny slanted writing? Yeah, its called italics... and in most cases represents what someone else said.

Notwithstanding is the sentence just prior to the slanty writing "The entire list is worth reading, but here's what Barnwell says about the Redskins:"

So really, how you can breathe without choking is beyond me....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | July 14, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Problem is - the Skins aren't far from last in "old" talent too.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 14, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

While I will be the first to agree that Danny and Vinny created a mess, I seem to remember the first thing Bruce and Shanny did was release several 30-something players only to replace them with other 30-something players. Obviously lowering the team's age is not a big concern to them.

Posted by: barriesargent | July 14, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

To further drive the nail in the coffin of this Barnwell clowns argument, the winning pct by age grouping is as follows

Youngest 25% = 0.5003
Middle Youngest 25% = 0.4825
Middle Oldest 25% = 0.4848
Oldest 25% = 0.5314

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 14, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Snyeratto = Total stupidity. The whole tenure.

Posted by: ridgely1 | July 14, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

While I will be the first to agree that Danny and Vinny created a mess, I seem to remember the first thing Bruce and Shanny did was release several 30-something players only to replace them with other 30-something players. Obviously lowering the team's age is not a big concern to them.

Posted by: barriesargent | July 14, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


You have to keep in mind that there weren't many 20 somethings available this year and the ones that were available wanted a lot of money.

I'm not too upset with giving up 2011 draft picks either because the free agent market next year will be flooded with young players.

Not to mention there might not be a 2011 season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 14, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 14, 2010 2:52 PM

exactly... average age is a poor summary statistic and crappy predictor in a univariate model.

age might matter in some respects, but both the model and data need to be more sophisticated to capture that effect.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You know it's the dog days of the offseason when writers have nothing better to write about than the ages of NFL players. Big deal!

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 14, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

This probably explains all the last place finishes in the division.

Posted by: Scoonie97 | July 14, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

After entering this information into my super secret f#cking football formula, I have found that this piece of information is irrelevant.

Not to worry, the 11-5 record and the NFC East title are still safe in 2010.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

You know it's the dog days of the offseason when writers have nothing better to write about than the ages of NFL players. Big deal!

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 14, 2010 3:12 PM

age clearly matters for individual players/positions... not many 40 year-old left tackles compared to punters?

conversely, age isn't necessarily a good proxy for talent and/or potential talent... would you rather have Peyton Manning or Tim Tebow starting for your team?

comparing average ages across NFL teams is a red herring.

although I'd still like to get my hands on the "super secret f#cking football formula".

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

-- Yes the 'skins lack of "young talent" is yet another reminder (as if any were needed ) of the gross ineptitude of Snyder / Ceratto ... And just more reason to rejoice that we now have what can be considered (without laughing) as "professional" management in Shan / Allen ... Give 'em some time, the team will get better , and probably younger ,over the next couple of seasons, wasn't a lot they could do about it this one offseason with what they had to work with --

Posted by: RoidRage | July 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

After entering this information into my super secret f#cking football formula, I have found that this piece of information is irrelevant.

Not to worry, the 11-5 record and the NFC East title are still safe in 2010.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:21 PM

Exxxxxxcellent. Optimists unite!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

although I'd still like to get my hands on the "super secret f#cking football formula".

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What do you think those Russian spies were over here for?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

iH8, does the SSFFF provide detail on specific games? I'm thinking, oh I don't know, how about game 1?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:34 PM

if it wasn't that, then it must have been the opportunity for pre-arranged spousal accommodations in middle-class America.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

What a meaningless piece of nothing this ranking is. ESPN should ask for their money back. The Texans are number one, whoopee! We all know how many Superbowls the Texans have won! Even bone head fans like me know it is a combination of few injuries, talented youth, talented veterans, good coaching, and luck that usually wins, not a bunch of good young players.

Posted by: JAMNEW | July 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

What do you think those Russian spies were over here for?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:34 PM

"Aloo, my name ees Anna. I breeng vodka and massage. Wass ees 3-4 defense? I like Patriots. They use camera to steal play signal and have sexy quarterback."

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Give me a team of Alexanders and I'll win you a Superbowl.

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 12:17 PM |

Hah! The only superbowl you are ever going to see is the extra large they had to install in the stink room at Redskins Park for AH when he overflowed the standard issues.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

iH8, does the SSFFF provide detail on specific games? I'm thinking, oh I don't know, how about game 1?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Umm victory, I will give you a peak inside my secret formula....

I put the formula in to see if we destroy the Cow-Turds and it said....

http://sixminutes.dlugan.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/magic-8-ball.gif

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

iH8, does the SSFFF provide detail on specific games? I'm thinking, oh I don't know, how about game 1?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad you asked steve.

The SSFFF takes the input I feed it, calculates factors from the opposing team, then gives me a read out.

I won't go into much detail, but the Skins win 28-17 week 1.

It was going to be closer, but Miles Austin dating Kim Kardashian subtracted a touchdown from the Cowboys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The only notable young players behind them are tight end Fred Davis and backup linebacker H.B. Blades.

That's going pretty pretty pretty far out on a limb to make an adjectival attachment of "notable" to the name H. B. Blades.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 14, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

What do you think those Russian spies were over here for?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:34 PM |

They were here to audition for a new Bravo show, "The Real Rooshan Spies of New Jersey".

Posted by: CupOMud | July 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

gatorskins- Not very sophisticated, but the results are the same.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

iH8, does the SSFFF provide detail on specific games? I'm thinking, oh I don't know, how about game 1?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad you asked steve.

The SSFFF takes the input I feed it, calculates factors from the opposing team, then gives me a read out.

I won't go into much detail, but the Skins win 28-17 week 1.

It was going to be closer, but Miles Austin dating Kim Kardashian subtracted a touchdown from the Cowboys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:50 PM

All hail the SSFFF!

I guess I'll be in the Kim Kardashian fan club too if she has that effect on the pukes.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 14, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

gatorskins- Not very sophisticated, but the results are the same.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Never been accused of being too Highly sophisticated, I am also looking to get that World Cup octopus on loan for the season to place bets on the Skins.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 14, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Kolb on Michael Vick: "I love him"
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 14, 2010 1:33 PM ET
Count Eagles first-string quarterback Kevin Kolb among those who support Eagles second-string quarterback Michael Vick.

"He's one of my better friends on the team," Kolb said of Vick, per the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I love him. I want to tune his meat whistle."

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

So, we have to get younger because...

There's no shame in being old and good. I am sure we will get younger and better, but I hardly think this is doom and gloom. In a league where the players' average tenure is something like 2.6 years, doesn't it say that if the older guys are still at it, they must be better than most of the youngsters? And besides, is there any correlation between average age of the team and appearances in Super Bowls? I haven't heard that one.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 14, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

You know it's the dog days of the offseason when writers have nothing better to write about than the ages of NFL players. Big deal!

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 14, 2010 3:12 PM
------------------------------------------
Just wait. Next week we will hear that the Redskins rank fourth in overall weight and twenty second in shoe size. Arrayed with a host of other pointless statistics, the RI staff will find ways of blaming the team's descent into hell on a) greedy Dan Snyder, b) fat Albert Haynesworth, c) stupid Vinny, d) Santana Moss' HGH use, and e) those damned Republicans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 14, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the game changer week 1 will be the pressure we throw at Doug Free/ Alex Barron. Tony is pressured all game into mistakes, and it looks like the Minnesota playoff game.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

iH8,
I love this

After entering this information into my super secret f#cking football formula, I have found that this piece of information is irrelevant.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | July 14, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I've really bought into this 3-4. If Albert shows up in shape, ready to play and void of BS; it will be a long night for the Cowboys.

Imagine him and Orakpo coming at a tackle.... OH NO!

Look for me cheering from the nosebleed 400's section.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It's also laughable to read that Albert is "business minded," when the guy is drowning in lawsuits for inappropriate personal conduct and business dealings -- or that this narcistic megalomaniac gives even a half a damn about what teammates and others say about him.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 14, 2010 11:01 AM

Vic, give Haynesworth a break. The only thing he's done wrong was accepting large sums without regards to the payer. If he shows up for training camp fit,and find a way to apologize to his teammates and coaches, I don't see why we should totally condemn him. Let's be realistic, Shanahan needs Haynesworth like Joe Gibbs needed Riggins. To err is simply human, though forgiveness is divine.

Posted by: abxinc | July 14, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, calling Devin & LaRon flops shows that they truly are "football outsiders." Neither have been world beaters, but they're not JaMarcus either. Devin made strides last year & LaRon should make strides again in his more natural position.

Posted by: wisdom80 |

I got no problem with the "F" word for either, especially Devin Thomas.

That whole issue is a red herring anyway. The REAL POINT is, the Redsjkins only have one young player who has demonstrated outstanding ability, Orakpo.

Thanks Vinny,

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who knows Bill Barnwell knows that he's a clown, but it's the dog days of summer and Redskins "Insider" needs page views.

As for the substantive issue of young talent, yes, I think everyone knows Vinny was a joke and that's why he was fired.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | July 14, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

That whole issue is a red herring anyway. The REAL POINT is, the Redsjkins only have one young player who has demonstrated outstanding ability, Orakpo.

Thanks Vinny,

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What about Fred Davis?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Just wait. Next week we will hear that the Redskins rank fourth in overall weight and twenty second in shoe size. Arrayed with a host of other pointless statistics, the RI staff will find ways of blaming the team's descent into hell on a) greedy Dan Snyder, b) fat Albert Haynesworth, c) stupid Vinny, d) Santana Moss' HGH use, and e) those damned Republicans.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

A reporters job is to report. When ESPN comes up with a survey, and RI runs the results, it has nothing to do with the ineptness of the past Republican Administration.

RI did not editorialize, it reported.

I don't see you point, aside from attacking RI, who would have been attacked for NOT running it, if they'd ignored it.

If you want to defend Cerrato's performance--first of all, lotsa luck. Second, state some facts. All your post does is try to divert attention away from the incompetance of the Redskins management, essentially since Snyder bought the team.

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What about Fred Davis?

Posted by: iH8dallas |

Yup. He's delivered. Um, anyone else?

Oh and for those of you who say, well Vinny focused on quality vets & iother young hopefuls, don't go there girlfren.

Someone posted this list about a year ago. Sorry I don't recall who it was:


... a list of some of the players who fall into one or several of these categories of acquisitions who were or became: Once-Greats, Overrated, Overpaid, Washed Ups, Never Beens, Over-The-Hills, Dissatisfied Positionally, Coach Killers, Head Cases, Don’t-Cares, Take-the-Money-and-(Don’t)-Runs, Con Artists, Legally Blind, Dumb Or Dumber Placard Carriers, Mark Carriers, Self-Involved Megalomaniacs, Hurt Emotionally, Hurt Physically, Medical Washouts, Egos-without-a-Clue, Dimwits, Recreational Substance Abusers, Recreational Salary Abusers, Wool-Over-Eye-Pullers, In It for Paycheck Only, Post-Salary Drives Artists, :

Deion Sanders, DB

Bruce Smith DE

Jeff George-QB

Christian Fauria TE

Shane Matthews QB

Rod Gardner WR

Danny Wuerffel QB

Chad Morton RB

Cliff Russell WR

Rob Johnson QB

Mike Rumph DB

Mark Brunell QB

Durant Brooks P

Ryan Plackemeir K

Derrick Frost P

Mark Carrier DB

Adam Archuletta DB

TJ Duckett RB

Brandon Lloyd WR

Taylor Jacobs WR

Jeremiah Trotter -

Jesse Armstead LB

Jason Taylor DE

Patrick Ramsey QB

Jacquez Green

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"We could probably put together a pretty decent pro team just with guys who come from/play out of the DC area."

The team from Palm Beach County would beat it 7 times in a row.

We'll start with Pierre Garcon, Santonio Holmes, and Devin Hester as wide outs.

Kenny Phillips and Vince Wilfork anchor the defense.

We'll start with that group.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's an OK start, Moe. But I'm not too worried.

With a healthy Brian Westbrook running behind Jared Gaither, Byron Leftwich shouldn't have too much trouble finding Shiancoe, Vernon Davis or Josh Cribbs for some catches, so I'm not sure how much your offense is going to see the field.

Even if they do, I have confidence in a defense anchored by Dockett with Shawne Merriman, D'Qwell Jackson, Cameron Wake, Derrick Burgess and Julian Peterson putting alot of pressure on that QB. It'll be tough for him to get the ball out to your boys in time wihtout getting broken up or picked off by Josh Wilson, Joe Haden, or Dominique Foxworth.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone that watches the Redskins defend Laron Landry? He is the very definition of a flop. For as high as he was drafted he is terrible. He routinely gets beat on double moves, gives up touchdowns, takes poor angles and misses tackles, goes for the knockout blow and misses tackles, and when he's at the line, the position most up here feel is his "natural" position he tackles poorly and gets turned into a human highlight reel for some d-bag Gina running back. You people riding his jock must think this is LSU or something. He's a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

That whole issue is a red herring anyway. The REAL POINT is, the Redsjkins only have one young player who has demonstrated outstanding ability, Orakpo.

Thanks Vinny,

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What about Fred Davis?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse


Chris Horton is a fine young talent when he's healthy...

...and when he's not arbitrarily being benched by Blache b/c he's too big a chicken to discipline the higher-priced vets that aren't getting it done.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM |

Trung Canidate

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone that watches the Redskins defend Laron Landry? He is the very definition of a flop. For as high as he was drafted he is terrible. He routinely gets beat on double moves, gives up touchdowns, takes poor angles and misses tackles, goes for the knockout blow and misses tackles, and when he's at the line, the position most up here feel is his "natural" position he tackles poorly and gets turned into a human highlight reel for some d-bag Gina running back. You people riding his jock must think this is LSU or something. He's a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Scamp,

The people who continue to defend Landry also believe that you can get away with having a defender excel at doing one thing (rush the QB) and suck at everything else.

They think you can build a defensive scheme that will allow that defender to just line up and do that one thing over and over and over again; hoping that offenses aren't smart enough to realize he can't do anything else and won't exploit him.

Of course that didn't work out with other high-priced highly-touted one-dimensional strong safeties like Roy Williams and Adam Archuleta...but hey, hope springs eternal, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM |

Trung Canidate

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Ki-Jana Carter

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM |

Trung Canidate

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Ki-Jana Carter

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Eric Metcalf

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

p1, it's the same syndrome as Jason CVampbell defenders. There's a million excuses that this year will run out. Maybe we can coin it JC Syndrome.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM |

Trung Canidate

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Ki-Jana Carter

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Eric Metcalf

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse


Michael Barrow

...I could continue, but I'm going to polish my revolver and put it in my mouth for a little while...

...be back soon...

...hopefully...

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We have been old for quite a while. I can't remember having a "young" team in years. Quite frankly the majority of our players are gone or recycled every three years. Sick of it! Draft, put them on the roster, and draft some more!

Posted by: jasonbowers74 | July 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Al Noga

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Walt Harris, who majorly SUCKED while he was here, yet he immediately leaves and goes to San Fran and makes a Pro Bowl, what's up with that?

Posted by: monk811 | July 14, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Carl Banks anyone?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Alexander

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Carl Banks anyone?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse


I'll Leonard Marshall your Carl Banks!

Posted by: monk811 | July 14, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

You people riding his jock must think this is LSU or something. He's a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is that he still uses the SAME pads he used at LSU. It's a like a bad luck charm or something. Someone should shove it into a twinkie and put it in front of Kemoeatu's locker, problem solved.......

Posted by: monk811 | July 14, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"How can anyone that watches the Redskins defend Laron Landry?"

You can't, he has been really bad.

HOWEVER, I do think it had a lot to do with Blatche's relic schemes that I hated so much and I am very stoked to see what he can do as an LB this year.

If he just dumps that "big hit" mentality I think he can be successful there. I don't know if he will ever be very good on coverages, but as an LB he will be taking on the RB's not WR's.

I think the defense is going to be good this year. They have talent there, I just never liked the play calls. Orakpo is going to get 20 sacks this year if they rush him as much as they say they are going to.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | July 14, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The real issue is talent. Old, young, whatever. Overall the talent has not been great. Often old(er) players with declining skills were obtained. Sometimes, like in the case of Fletcher, these skills held up but not often. Some of the young players were, and are, talented. But there were never enough of them.

As to next years FA market, without a new CBA there is no FA market. The current CBA expires in early March 2011 (end of the league year). So if there is a lockout it begins March 1, not September something. There will be a draft though.

So, given the above which do you think is more important? I'd say the draft in 2011 is far more important than the FA market next year.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | July 14, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The real issue is talent. Old, young, whatever.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | July 14, 2010 6:15 PM

same concept applies to coaching and ownership?

cheers elkiii... one of my favorite large game animals.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 14, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Barnwell forgot to mention that both Philly and the Jints drafted a bunch of young guys this year who are expected to play big roles in the rebuild of their respective teams. We keep thinking of the NYG as a defensive powerhouse but they finished 30th in scoring defense (behind KC), and 30th in TDs allowed.

The Iggles are a little more mysterious. You ordinarily don't expect to find a team trading its longtime starting QB shortly after finishing 5th in the league in scoring (ahead of NE & Indianapolis) and 7th in total TDs.

The Cowgirls are considered an offensive dynamo but ranked only 14th in scoring and 13th in TDs -- in other words, they were average.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 14, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Devin's only been in the league for two years to call him a flop is just idiocy

Posted by: graywolf323 | July 14, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

A rating which, evaluated alone, means nothing.

Posted by: BT23 | July 14, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

That's ridiculous. Earlier today there was a Football Outsiders article that PRAISED Justin Tryon as a great young player who could assume a starter's role sometime this season... and then they completely omit that from this article and mention only Orakpo and Williams as positive young guys. ESPN needs to get their story straight.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | July 14, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I keep coming to the same conclusion - at least adults are in charge now.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | July 14, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 4:54 PM

It's a who's who of nobodys.

Posted by: mack1 | July 14, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

this article is not exactly complete because no one knows what any of the young players on washington will do this year or what young players will even make the team wait until the end of the season then you will see if they have more than 4-5 young talented players.

Posted by: wathu19 | July 14, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

11-5, more like 5-11 my man. Keep the faith cheif!

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Young guys with potential

T williams. I wanted okung but well see, hopefully I'm wrong.

D thomas. Hopefully he can be a starter, 2nd option.

M kelly. Doubt hell be with us followin this season.

D Morris. Best highlight reel on youtube I've ever seen.

Austin. Pr/kr we needed help here for a while

P Riley. Lb/ depth at best don't see him as a starter.

Capers. Hoping he can develop on the line for a while

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

"So perhaps this lends a bit of credence to the idea that the future is now?"

Are you seriously asking this? Are you stupid? Dan Snyder couldn't come up with a winning football strategy if he tried. He's a marketing moron. He's casting around for ways to build on Redskins history to keep old farts with deep pockets buying expensive Redskins junk. The future is now is just another in a long list of business ventures. Of course he's gone back to Geo. Allen's Future is Now, it was obvious when he hired Little Allen.

Wake up man! Stop sniffing glue and write a real story about the financial kingdom that is the Washington Redskins. And by the way, Snyder always says its about winning, but what he means is winning your dollars!

Posted by: 44fx2901 | July 15, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

"Young guys with potential ...

D Morris. Best highlight reel on youtube I've ever seen."

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 1:27 AM


Just Great Brandon! Now that you've publicly exposed the Redskin Scouting Departments #1 secret resource site for bringing in all this fantastic young talent ... they're going to have to go back to using Craigslist again.

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | July 15, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

This is an example of an article that really says nothing of merit. The subheading is "Based on under-25 talent, the Texans, Panthers and Chiefs shine". Those teams were 9-7, 8-8 and 4-12 respectively. The problems with this analysis are numerous. First, since it is based on every player under 25, it includes a large number of players who have not played and thus their quality cannot be judged much better than that of the draft. What they should have looked at is starters/major contributors who are 25 and under as that would allow you to have something of merit to rate the players on. But even that is problematic because there is no guarantee that a good player of 25 will be with that team in a year or two, given free agency.

Since really all that matters are the players that are playing, depth only matters if there are injuries. In today's NFL, it does not matter if the player is 20, 25, 30 or 35 if they are producing. I don't have the numbers but the number of young players that are good that stay with the same team their whole career has to be a fairly small percentage. The problem Vinnie had was not picking old players, his problem was picking players that did not produce (and paying too much).

In summary, while I think the Redskins certainly have room for improvement on their team, this article is garbage.

Posted by: amaranthpa | July 15, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Hit it right on the nail! Geriatricskins!
Even Shananana and Allen are contributing the this OLD team...Larry Johnson bro, Mcnabb Bro, all those 3 "new" wide outs Galloway is 78, Wade is 74, all the all geriatric RBs, the OL guy from the Saints with an OLD hip...oh my darn...they have actuallly gotten older from last season to now...sorry friends...Big Blue and the Boys rule the East son! best beellee dat!

Posted by: Incognito00 | July 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

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