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Posted at 8:21 AM ET, 01/27/2011

Washington Redskins draft: Help for 3-4 defense could be available

By Rick Maese

One of the problems with the Redskins' defensive scheme was the imbalance in the pass rush. Brian Orakpo was able to pressure the quarterback but opposing teams didn't have to worry about the other side as much.

This year's draft could provide a big opportunity to address that problem. Scouts at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., say this year's draft might actually feature more linebackers suited for the 3-4 defense than the 4-3.

One of the players who has created quite a stir this week is Von Miller, who played a hybrid defensive end-linebacker position at Texas A&M and might be the best pass rusher in the draft.

"He's a tremendous athlete," ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. said. "The kid has great instincts, great awareness on the field. To me, he's a guy who's going to interest anybody."

The possible bad news for the Redskins, who hold the draft's No. 10 pick? "I don't think Von Miller gets out of the top 10 of the first round," Kiper said.

Miller led the nation in sacks as a junior with 17 but decided to return to Texas A&M for his senior season. Apparently, it helped. Scouts say he's better at dropping back in coverage and is more NFL-ready this spring.

Another player who would bolster many team's 3-4 base: Cal lineman Cameron Jordan. He measures only 6 feet 4 and 287 pounds and might not be as thick as some 3-4 defensive ends, but he's impressed many this week with his strength and could find himself lining up in either a 4-3 or 3-4 next season. He played big in Cal's 3-4 base in college.

"I don't care," Jordan said. "I just want to be on the field."

His attitude has impressed NFL teams, and his stock has risen this week as much as any player's. Scouts, Inc. currently has him listed as the 15th-best prospect overall on its draft board. Jordan's father, Steve, played 13 years as a tight end with the Minnesota Vikings and was selected to the Pro Bowl six times.

"I'm trying just to showcase what I have within me, my abilities and try to give them the best that I've got," Jordan, who currently doesn't have an agent, said following practice Wednesday.

By Rick Maese  | January 27, 2011; 8:21 AM ET
Categories:  Brian Orakpo  
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Comments

If we keep the #10 pick it looks like a OLB/DE would have the best value for available prospects.
After that I think WR would be the next best position to draft due to the amount of talent that is there.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Based on the way things are starting to shake out in this draft, the best move might be to load up on 3-4 defensive playmakers than O-line help...seems like last year was the time to get those young blockers and this year is the time to load up on defenders. Sure wish we used those picks from the McNabb deal for O-line help, but I guess a good FA class this year could make up for it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM

This could be your guy. Mel Kiper sees him going in the second round, but Herman Melville, who “wrote the book on killer whales” thinks he’s number one overall. He’s already in the HOF at the Library of Congress.

Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

“He’s a wild beast with a motor that won’t quit. He was a one-man wrecking crew when he upset the previously-undefeated Pequod of Nantucket in the Flipper Bowl. He doesn’t score well on some of the measurables – bench press, 40-yard shuttle, Wonderlic – but his attitude epitomizes ‘mean.’ He’s a risky pick because of questions about whether his raw skills translate to the next level and to dry land stadiums: He prefers to work alone, so is he coachable? Is he a liability with too many penalties – encroachment, head butt, illegal contact? Was his performance against the Pequod a fluke or can he sustain it for a 16-week season? Will anyone walk around in a jersey that says "Dick"? And he seems out of place -- a rare white whale competing in a black whale’s game. If he can overcome these negatives with his size and raw talent he could redefine the position.”

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse


I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM
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Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM |
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I hear the dolphins are interested in this guy moby dick

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

call me ishmael....

von miller seems a little smaller than you'd want your OLB in a 3-4 is my concern....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM
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Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM |
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I hear the dolphins are interested in this guy moby dick

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Kiper went on to say that Moby Dick's stock has dropped due to his inability to play outside of a water environment.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 27, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse


Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM |
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sween, do we really want to burn more draft picks ? I'm in the trade down camp, unless the redskins like what they see at #10

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM


With what? We've got a gaping hole in the middle of our draft board and precious few tradeable commodities on the roster. Even if we had the juice to move up, why would you do it for a guy who's probably too small to play OLB in a 3-4?

Trade back for more picks or stay at #10...trading up shouldn't even be an option...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, we'll pass on Mr. Dick, we're already getting rid of The Lochnes Monster (Haynesworth), we don't need another fictional character bringing us down. And besides, he might accidentally fall on Brandon Banks and crush him.

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM

No need to. If Miller isn't there at #10, Then Robert Quinn could very well be there, or Aldon Smith, or Cam Jordan, or Ryan Kerrigan...... Just like last year the Skins are in position to get a talented player at a position of need.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah you dont trade up, this is a stocked position this year. Miller is undersized but his results speak volumes. The guy can flat out get to the QB. He is no smaller then Elvis Dumervil when he came out the Lou.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

von miller seems a little smaller than you'd want your OLB in a 3-4 is my concern....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 9:08 AM

I think that's a fair statement. However the report from the Senior Bowl is that Miller has very long arms, which allows him to shed blockers consistently in the run game. Also, he could slid inside on running downs.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

F that. If someone else takes Von Miller then that means somebody didn't take one of the other great prospects. I'd say stay at #10. There's at least 10 great prospects in this draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

We shouldn't trade up, we have so many needs and there are so many good deep positions that we can pick where we are or trade down for more picks. Draft Defense!!!

SAVE MOBY DICK!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm hearing and reading that Von Miller is better suited as wil or sam in a 4-3 or as an ILB in the 3-4 despite playing in a hybrid 4-3 at TAMU.

That's where Pat Kerwin and Mayock project he's best suited.

Von Miller LB Texas A&M 6025 237 34 9 1/2

Monday Practice Notes: Spent most of the day at SSLB, but was not impressive working his way through all the drills.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Not a good day for a guy that’s projected to be a 3-4 OLB. Was easily controlled by blocks all day and at one point got annihilated by Luke Stocker. Showed decent skills in coverage when he had to move in reverse. Miller was brought over to the pass rush drills to showcase his talents, which were average at best.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Nice athlete; fluid with a nice degree of explosion. Gets depth on drops. Moves well in all directions. Again struggled in pass rush drills

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48

Post
Of
The
Day

just awesome, everything about this is awesome...

Not even Senile Al is foolish enough to do that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM |

That is some funny sh-t thanks for cheering me up after my long journey to work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

dies, unless miller has unbelievable quicks, then pass on him, seems to light, unless he can do go-go gadget arms, or something....CJordan is the guy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

List of Washington Redskins 2011 Draft Interests

by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 27, 2011 9:28 AM

Via Twitter and reports from all the media at the Senior Bowl (including some SB Nation writers), I've been able to piece together who the Redskins are talking to. I'll keep an up-to-date list all the way up to the draft. Two things of note: 1.) Surely, the Redskins have talked to more players we don't know about, 2.) I REALLY wish we had a 3rd round pick.

Position Player School Projected Round CB Rashad Carmichael Virgina Tech 3 LB Greg Jones Michigan State 2
QB Colin Kaepernick Nevada 2
TE Lance Kendricks Wisconsin 3
QB Jake Locker UW 1
ILB Casey Matthews Oregon 5
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan 3
OT Derek Sherrod Miss St 1-2
WR Titus Young 3

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Same post beeps.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 27, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM


Yup, it's really that easy...you also forgot #6--trade Rex Grossman for Tom Brady straight up and #7--trade a unicorn to Oakland for their entire slate of 2012 picks. Why didn't we think of this before?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

Can we also end up with Patrick Peterson. That would really be tops.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

I like the trade back with Vikings to #12.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

How about a outside linebacker....Von Miller?

Dude weighs 237 pounds.

(Isn't that too light for a 3-4 olb?)

I'd druther give one of the in-house 'backers a shot at lining up opposite B Orakpo, but draft a right rush end who is a force against the run.

Improving our NT and right defensive end play, cornerbacks pressing receivers within the 5 yard zone where it's allowed, will improve our linebacker play...

...in fact, it'll improve our overall defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM

This could be your guy. Mel Kiper sees him going in the second round, but Herman Melville, who “wrote the book on killer whales” thinks he’s number one overall. He’s already in the HOF at the Library of Congress.

Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

“He’s a wild beast with a motor that won’t quit. He was a one-man wrecking crew when he upset the previously-undefeated Pequod of Nantucket in the Flipper Bowl. He doesn’t score well on some of the measurables – bench press, 40-yard shuttle, Wonderlic – but his attitude epitomizes ‘mean.’ He’s a risky pick because of questions about whether his raw skills translate to the next level and to dry land stadiums: He prefers to work alone, so is he coachable? Is he a liability with too many penalties – encroachment, head butt, illegal contact? Was his performance against the Pequod a fluke or can he sustain it for a 16-week season? Will anyone walk around in a jersey that says "Dick"? And he seems out of place -- a rare white whale competing in a black whale’s game. If he can overcome these negatives with his size and raw talent he could redefine the position.”

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM
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ROFL. I needed that after the day I had (in Europe - the day is just ending).

BTW, we'll have to see how Moby does at the spring combine before we start calling him a prospect. Some of his off the field activities concern me, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM


Yup, it's really that easy...you also forgot #6--trade Rex Grossman for Tom Brady straight up and #7--trade a unicorn to Oakland for their entire slate of 2012 picks. Why didn't we think of this before?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 9:49 AM
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So easy a caveman could do it. I especially like the part in the plan that says "And then a Bruce Allen miracle happens and every other GM in the league channels Vinny Cerrato..."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

BTW, we'll have to see how Moby does at the spring combine before we start calling him a prospect. Some of his off the field activities concern me, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Plus, if the new CBA mandates knee and thigh pads, he will be SOL.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 27, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

F that. If someone else takes Von Miller then that means somebody didn't take one of the other great prospects. I'd say stay at #10. There's at least 10 great prospects in this draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2011 9:23 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

screw trading up... trade down if anything... the skins have more needs than available picks...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 27, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep


Where have you been?

We've missed our leader.

Without direction, we're like mall rats with cash.

This thing has been running well in your absence.

So glad you've returned to make sure that doesn't happen anymore.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller. Trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM


Shut up, Cerrato. No one asked you.

Posted by: dragon2eden | January 27, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Dude weighs 237 pounds.

(Isn't that too light for a 3-4 olb?)


It took Elvis Dumervil two years to lead the NFL in sacks. He played at this same size all be it much smaller, 5'11 to Millers 6'2. It can happen but the dude has to be a beast. Von had the same production in college as Elvis.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

save the draft picks by going back to 4-3 that did so well the season before and use them for the OL that has sucked forever!

Posted by: astroman215aolcom | January 27, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 27, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Yup, it's really that easy...you also forgot #6--trade Rex Grossman for Tom Brady straight up and #7--trade a unicorn to Oakland for their entire slate of 2012 picks. Why didn't we think of this before?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 9:49 AM
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So easy a caveman could do it.
___

I think my favorite is "3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third." Yeah, a second-round pick for Haynesworth. Nooooooo sweat.

Posted by: RIP-21 | January 27, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

TE Lance Kendricks Wisconsin 3


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Thinking about drafting a TE can mean only 3 things:

1. He is a big/fast hybrid that can maybe switch to WR

2. Davis is on the trade block and we need his replacement

3. He has a got girlfriend that we can recruit to be a cheerleader


I'm hoping it's #3!!!

SAVE THE CHEERLEADERS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM
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Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM |
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I hear the dolphins are interested in this guy moby dick

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Kiper went on to say that Moby Dick's stock has dropped due to his inability to play outside of a water environment.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 27, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse
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I heard he has weight issues and runs out of gas after a couple of plays. Oh wait, that was an Albert Haynesworth rumor...my bad!

Posted by: JohnWWW | January 27, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

--trade a unicorn to Oakland for their entire slate of 2012 picks.


Dude, I'll offer one leprechaun in 2012 for that unicorn if I can move up a round.

There's a 4 leaf clover I want to draft so that I might have some luck this season.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Where have you been?

We've missed our leader.

Without direction, we're like mall rats with cash.

This thing has been running well in your absence.

So glad you've returned to make sure that doesn't happen anymore.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's been chaotic in here. You know the old saying:
When beep's away, the sock puppets will play.

Or something like that.......

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 27, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

It took Elvis Dumervil two years to lead the NFL in sacks. He played at this same size all be it much smaller, 5'11 to Millers 6'2. It can happen but the dude has to be a beast. Von had the same production in college as Elvis.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 10:19 AM


Guys like Dumervil and James Harrison are the exception and not the rule...those guys are smaller than the prototypical 3-4 OLB, but they have exceptional strength and leverage. Most 237 pound LBs are gonna get pushed around...otherwise, Rocky Mac would have been playing OLB instead of moving inside.

I'll bet Von Miller will be a beast...just a beast in a 4-3 defense (and maybe ILB in a 3-4).

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It took Elvis Dumervil two years to lead the NFL in sacks. He played at this same size all be it much smaller, 5'11 to Millers 6'2. It can happen but the dude has to be a beast. Von had the same production in college as Elvis.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 10:19 AM

Dumervil played DE at Louisville. Miller has the skill set to play ILB in a 3-4 or OLB in a 4-3. That wasn't an option for Dumervil.

Dumervil is an anomaly at 5'11 255

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper's hair has appointed itself the overlord of all mock drafts. It demands a blood sacrifice for it's continued prognostications.

Posted by: MalcolmYoung | January 27, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

My favorite is when he suggests sending an unsigned free agent to the Raiders for their second round pick. Even Al "Jogging Suit" Davis is not that gullible.

Posted by: MrDumberton | January 27, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

So are Demarcus Ware and Orakpo. Guess what you take Anomalys at #10.

Risk= reward. If he was 6-4 260 and put up those numbers then we wouldnt have a shot at him.

You say that his size is to small for OLB.
Well is clearly is NOT to small as it has beeen done before.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

Come on man!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Diesel

Interesting list - good homework on your part. Story has it, though, that Shanny never talked to Cutler before grabbing him. If true, I kinda like the chess game own coaching staff may be playing right now.

Posted by: bones21 | January 27, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Same post beeps.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 27, 2011 9:46 AM

Is there a problem with that? I'm going to post it on every thread where someone posts "SAVE THE WHALES" or any variant on that.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So who's gonna win the big game, Mr. President?

Obama: The team that finishes with the most points.

So you're being political, I understand.

Obama: If I didn't have to be re-elected, I'd go with the Steelers.

Why?

Obama: Gotta support the brutha Tomlin.

Brutha? When did you become black?

Obama:I didn't know I was until Glenn Beck told me.

Any advantages?

Obama: My penis is longer. Women with large butts are now sexy. My credit is bad, though. I'm the leader of the free world, but still have to wait in line at Popeye's for chicken.

Now, that's just wrong.

Obama:I even got stopped in frisked by a guy who thought I was the White House butler.

Doncha think it's racist just to support a team just because of the race of the coach?

Obama: Yes we can.

Let's get back to the game as it's obvious race is a touchy thing.

Obama Like Bill Clinton, I will say I did not touch that thing, even though I did.

Steeler or Packers, sir?

Obama: Steelers

Why?

Obama: Didja ever see where the Packers put their fudge?

There's no way they can win.

Unless, of course, they take a laxative before the game.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

demarcus ware, james harrison, joey porter, derreck brooks, Lance Brigs, Orapko.

All within 10 pound range of Miller all pretty god at getting to the QB.

The reason Orakpo fell into our lap is becuase people looked at his size and said, inst that to small? but this dosent sound familiar to any of you for some reason???

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

How about a outside linebacker....Von Miller?
Dude weighs 237 pounds.

(Isn't that too light for a 3-4 olb?)

I'd druther give one of the in-house 'backers a shot at lining up opposite B Orakpo, but draft a right rush end who is a force against the run.

Improving our NT and right defensive end play, cornerbacks pressing receivers within the 5 yard zone where it's allowed, will improve our linebacker play...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse


At first that's how I thought, both that Miller was too slieght and that OLB was a relatively low priority.

Then I looked at some of the films on Vonn Miller. He looks incredibly fast for a linebacker. The most remarkable thing was the body lean he was generating coming round the corner. He looked like a MotoGP rider he was banked over so far.

The guy gets seriously low. He looks like a faster version of Clay Matthews, with the added bonus that his muscle development looks natural. He looks a little slender, but there is room for more muscle on the frame and he certainly doesn't appear to lack strength on the field.


I am a complete convert. I would be happy to see Miller drafted at 10. Also the Brandon Banks experience has completely changed my perspective. Miller has serious speed and he has proven he can make plays on the field. He might not be as big you want but he is a very good prospect at the size he is.

Try watching tapes of Miller and Kerrigan back to back. Kerrigan is getting a lot of compliments for his work at the senior bowl, but looks desperately slow in comparison to Miller.

I would prioritise QB, Guard and NT, over an LOLB, but there really aren't any of those that I feel are worth a top-10 pick in this year's draft. There are some 3-4 DEs worth a look and a couple of top notch corners, but they are probably gone before we pick.

Talent wise, I think we will get the most value from a strong crop of OLBs in this draft. To me, Miller appears the best of the bunch. I'll take his speed over ideal size.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Clay Matthews 6'3 240. He will never make it as an OLB. oh wait....

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Stu- Ware and Orakpo are protypical 3-4 OLBs. Miller is a protypical 4-3 OLB. You don't reach at #10.

bones- that list is from hogshaven

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

WHAT you actually watched Von. What the hell are you doing. Dont do that. Look at his measurables then make a generalization about him...jeez

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Just got tickets to the Big Four!!! Should be an amazing show.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

I'm sure the first order of business for the Bears this offseason is to rid themselves of the only QB in their stable who was able to move the ball in the NFC Championship game.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 27, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM

This could be your guy. Mel Kiper sees him going in the second round, but Herman Melville, who “wrote the book on killer whales” thinks he’s number one overall. He’s already in the HOF at the Library of Congress.

Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

“He’s a wild beast with a motor that won’t quit. He was a one-man wrecking crew when he upset the previously-undefeated Pequod of Nantucket in the Flipper Bowl. He doesn’t score well on some of the measurables – bench press, 40-yard shuttle, Wonderlic – but his attitude epitomizes ‘mean.’ He’s a risky pick because of questions about whether his raw skills translate to the next level and to dry land stadiums: He prefers to work alone, so is he coachable? Is he a liability with too many penalties – encroachment, head butt, illegal contact? Was his performance against the Pequod a fluke or can he sustain it for a 16-week season? Will anyone walk around in a jersey that says "Dick"? And he seems out of place -- a rare white whale competing in a black whale’s game. If he can overcome these negatives with his size and raw talent he could redefine the position.”

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM

Call me Ishmael, but I heard this guy is a blubbering idiot who will sink a whole club. Kiper says his performance in the Flipper Bowl was a fluke.

Posted by: KellyInBC | January 27, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Stu- Ware and Orakpo are protypical 3-4 OLBs. Miller is a protypical 4-3 OLB. You don't reach at #10.

This is a BS generalization.
Von did the exact same thing in college as Ware and Orakpo did, get after the QB every play.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Weneedlinedudes

I would prioritise QB, Guard and NT, over an LOLB,....


I like.

But if we add a FA guard and center (I would), I bet NT, OLB/ILB is the second pick after quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Clay Matthews 6'3 240. He will never make it as an OLB. oh wait....

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:03 AM

Clay put on 15LBs. Derrick Brooks played MLB in a 4-3 and Briggs is a WLB in a 4-3.

I posted earlier the reports of Miller having difficulty rushing the passer at the Senior Bowl.

BTW...We're just two guys on a blog but I tend to listen to the opinion of guys like Mayock and Kerwin.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM

This could be your guy. Mel Kiper sees him going in the second round, but Herman Melville, who “wrote the book on killer whales” thinks he’s number one overall. He’s already in the HOF at the Library of Congress.

Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive

“He’s a wild beast with a motor that won’t quit. He was a one-man wrecking crew when he upset the previously-undefeated Pequod of Nantucket in the Flipper Bowl. He doesn’t score well on some of the measurables – bench press, 40-yard shuttle, Wonderlic – but his attitude epitomizes ‘mean.’ He’s a risky pick because of questions about whether his raw skills translate to the next level and to dry land stadiums: He prefers to work alone, so is he coachable? Is he a liability with too many penalties – encroachment, head butt, illegal contact? Was his performance against the Pequod a fluke or can he sustain it for a 16-week season? Will anyone walk around in a jersey that says "Dick"? And he seems out of place -- a rare white whale competing in a black whale’s game. If he can overcome these negatives with his size and raw talent he could redefine the position.”

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 8:59 AM

Call me Ishmael, but I heard this guy is a blubbering idiot who will sink a whole club. Kiper says his performance in the Flipper Bowl was a fluke.

Posted by: KellyInBC | January 27, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

You say that his size is to small for OLB.
Well is clearly is NOT to small as it has beeen done before.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 10:52 AM


By that logic, we should hand the keys to our offense to the first athletic 5'11" QB we see on the off chance he's the next Vick. Or maybe the next 6'0" QB with mediocre arm strength coming off a shoulder injury just in case he can be the next Drew Brees.

Or perhaps we should take our franchise QB in Round 6 since that's where the Pats found Brady.

Just like those scenarios, there's a reason certain things are rare...3-4 OLBs are like athletic DEs. If Von Miller isn't a viable option as a DE in a 4-3, then why would you think he's a viable 3-4 OLB?

As was said earlier, don't try and reinvent the wheel...some stuff is conventional because it's just plain smart.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

This is a BS generalization.
Von did the exact same thing in college as Ware and Orakpo did, get after the QB every play.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:12 AM

PO and Ware played DE in college. I'm done with this conversation. Do some research.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I posted earlier the reports of Miller having difficulty rushing the passer at the Senior Bowl.


So two days of senior bowl practice weighs heavier then the dudes entire college career. Cant agree with that.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to change the subject, but just found this positive article on Yahoo news regarding carbs. Figured it applies to at least 99% of RI bloggers. Excerpt:

"Carbs keep you satisfied longer than other foods. Here's why: Your brain acts like a computerized fuel gauge that directs you to fill up whenever it notices that its gas tank (stomach) is empty
By increasing your consumption of filling foods and releasing satiety hormones, you'll minimize your hunger and cravings.
Carbs make you feel good about you!"

Conclusion: Beer = megacarbs = good for you. Have a good day.

Posted by: bones21 | January 27, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

And by your logic we should have never taken Orakpo then. I have no problem with taking a 6'0 QB. Brees was one of my fav players to watch when he was at Purdue.
My biggest qualm w/ the skins evaluation is we want everyone to fit into a perfect mold. We rarely take chances on guys that dont measure up. Banks and Orakpo should prove that we need to think outside of that norm.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Vonn Miller play OLB in a 3-4 in college?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 27, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67’ 4”, 126,000 pounds
Offensive"

Nah -- that's Albert Haynesworth in disguise. Been chowing down again and is hoping to slip past Shanahan...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 27, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"1. Trade McNabb to Arizona, gain a pick
2. Trade back with Minnesota, gain another pick
3. Dump Al 'Blubber Love', (Oakland Maybe?) gain a 2nd or third
4. Send Rodgers to Oakland for their #48
5. Targets: Nate Solder or trade back for Sherrod, or the other Pouncey. Get Phil Taylor, grab a a free safety, some linebackers, and if we can swing it trade for the Bears 3rd string QB to 'mold'"

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 27, 2011 9:31 AM

1. Trade back scenarios only work if, of course, some other team wants to trade up. Those types of deals usually materialize only during the draft, when a team sees a player it wants, but knows that player won't be available when they pick. It remains to be seen whether anyone will be calling the 'Skins when they're on the clock, and, if so, whether what they offer will make trading back worthwhile.

2. Anyone who thinks that we'll get a second or a third for Haynesworthless is dreaming

3. Why would any team give up anything of value for Rogers, who will be a free agent, when they could wait for the new CBA and then sign him without having to trade for him? I'm not even sure that the current rules allow pending free agents to be traded.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 27, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

My opinion: no matter what anyone thinks about our crummy DL, Shanny's absolutely going to take a QB if his choices are still available at #10.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 27, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, might be time to quit on Stu, dude...logic ain't an option and I'm not plugged into the Matrix today...

I mean, really...I saw Reed Doughty get a sack once, maybe we should try him out at OLB...SMDH...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

KellyInBC

Call me Ishmael, but I heard this guy is a blubbering idiot who will sink a whole club. Kiper says his performance in the Flipper Bowl was a fluke.


I'm gigglin' at this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Vonn Miller play OLB in a 3-4 in college?


Nothing against Von Miller--but I want stud NT/DT/DE who can stop the run and collapse the pocket.

Guys like that make ordinary linebackers look like Von Miller.

And there are a lot of guys like that in this draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

And by your logic we should have never taken Orakpo then. I have no problem with taking a 6'0 QB. Brees was one of my fav players to watch when he was at Purdue.
My biggest qualm w/ the skins evaluation is we want everyone to fit into a perfect mold. We rarely take chances on guys that dont measure up. Banks and Orakpo should prove that we need to think outside of that norm.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:26 AM


Multiple things wrong with this:

1) Orakpo was a DE in college, not a LB.

2) BO is 260 pounds, not 237.

3) Brandon Banks was undrafted, not a 10th overall pick. If you're gonna gamble on an undersized player, you don't do it in the top 10.

4) Picking players "to fit a mold" isn't the problem...it's getting the wrong players. If anything, you're repeating the same sins as Skins teams past by picking a workout warrior or a guy who has a great college career, fit in your system be damned. If we still ran a 4-3, I'd carry the Von flag for you...but in a 3-4, you need to get guys that fit the 3-4.

Again...if you wouldn't play a 237 pound 4-3 DE, then why would you make that concession for a 3-4 OLB?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If Von Miller isn't a viable option as a DE in a 4-3, then why would you think he's a viable 3-4 OLB?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It is his college position. He has played outside in both 4-3 and 3-4 defences.

It is regarded as one of his plus points. He isn't a DE converting to LB like Orakpo. He already has experience of playing 3-4 OLB and there is film available for the scouts.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

PO and Ware played DE in college. I'm done with this conversation. Do some research.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

F your research. Watch some plays why dontcha.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

To those asking where Texans A+M LB Von Miller will go in the NFL draft, the early signs are, Top 5 pick.

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/30404567006973952#


Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Steve Jordan was beast on Super Tecmo Bowl.

Watching the senior bowl practices, Locker looks like crap..

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

ONLY 6'4" and 287? ONLY?

Posted by: tmkelley | January 27, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/27/1958973/2011-senior-bowl-von-miller-worth-a-49ers-look

Re Vonn Miller

Thus far he appears to be making strong headway through practices with a lot of folks down there tweeting that he's been one of the most impressive players on the field, if not the most impressive overall. He came in at 6'2⅝ and 237 lbs, which might be a bit undersized for a 3-4 outside linebacker. Supposedly he plans on adding another 5-10 pounds between now and the combine, so we'll have to wait and see what he looks like then and how his speed is affected...


DraftInsider was actually quite negative on Miller's three days of practice thus far as they felt he was easily controlled in blocks and showed average pass rush skills at best. I'm not going to drop them from my viewing this week, but given how much love Miller has gotten almost everywhere else, it has me wondering how valuable their reports are at this point.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

We're letting 235 pound undersized Rocky McIntosh go and considering adding 237 pound Von Miller.

Oh, okay.

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nothing against Von Miller--but I want stud NT/DT/DE who can stop the run and collapse the pocket.

Guys like that make ordinary linebackers look like Von Miller.

And there are a lot of guys like that in this draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Absolutely..And if we can get Pouncey and Kaepernick later, that would be a sweet Day One...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

PO and Ware played DE in college. I'm done with this conversation. Do some research.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

F your research. Watch some plays why dontcha.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:52 AM

Listen dude, I watch more college football then I would care to admit. I watch it as if it were my job. As far as my comments they are based off of what I see and reports of people such as Kerwin, Mayock, etc.

We all have opinions but instead of going on a blog and throwing up and acting as if my opinion is gospel...I put some research into what I say.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

F your research. Watch some plays why dontcha.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 11:52 AM


...said San Diego as they took Ryan Leaf...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Steve Jordan was beast on Super Tecmo Bowl.

Watching the senior bowl practices, Locker looks like crap..

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

We're letting 235 pound undersized Rocky McIntosh go and considering adding 237 pound Von Miller.

Oh, okay.

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought were letting him go because although he is lighter he is not significantly faster or more agile than other larger, stronger, better tackling linebackers that other teams have.

I don't think it will just be about his weight. More about his talent level and relative perception of how much money his services are worth.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

We're letting 235 pound undersized Rocky McIntosh go and considering adding 237 pound Von Miller.

Oh, okay.

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought were letting him go because although he is lighter he is not significantly faster or more agile than other larger, stronger, better tackling linebackers that other teams have.

I don't think it will just be about his weight. More about his talent level and relative perception of how much money his services are worth.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

There's no "one-way" to fix an offensive or defensive line...

The problem is that Cerrato/Gibbs/Snyder were inept at evaluating talent. They miscalulated and overpaid for many players.

For the mistakes Shanahan has made, he's had a few "hits" since he's been here, and they've been relatively young and cheap:

Banks, Torain, Armstrong, Austin...

I'd like to think that Shanahan and Allen are more capable and financially responsible of evaluating talent than the previous regime.

I think the D-line is in worse shape than the offensive line. We don't have a capable, consistent NT. We have ill-fitting players at LB except Rack and Fletcher.

We need a QB for sure. I think we can fix the O-line in a hurry via free agency and the draft.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever notice that Mel and McShadey always have like 50 prospects not making out of the top 10?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 27, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

we need a 270+ 3-4 DE to both stuff the run and pass rush, and a 300+ NT to anchor the line..There's a few of those out there in this D-Line rich draft...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, nobody told me!!! Does this mean I have to walk backwards too???

So I guess that means:
We should rehire Vinny
Beep is a good leader
PlayAction and I aren't the same person
Haynesworth was a hardworker this year
McNabb will be our QB of the future
Big Ben should hand out towels in girl's bathrooms when he retires
Barack is the best President ever
I hope gas keeps going up
That John Wayne Bobbit had it coming to him!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

We're letting 235 pound undersized Rocky McIntosh go and considering adding 237 pound Von Miller.

Oh, okay.

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

You are certainly celebrating the day then!

We would let Mac go and consider Miller because Miller projects to be a far superior talent.

Weight has nothing to do with it. If it did, half the posters on this board would project as perfect 3-4 OLB's in your world.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: Von Miller

Alot of the draft boards I'm seeing have several pass rushers with high grades. That bodes well for the Skins - who could obviously use a pass rusher - but there's no need to mortgage the farm for Von Miller. We can see who is there at #10...and it better not be Cam Newton.


Re: Nose Tackle

I think we've got a pretty good shot at Phil Taylor in the second round. 4-3 teams will be looking at other D-tackles like Fairley, Marcellus, and Paea.

How many 3-4 teams are out there that are desperate for a NT to use a 2nd rounder? The Skins...who else? Maybe the Texans since they look to be switching to a 3-4? But it seems that alot of the 3-4 teams out there have their NTs in place and in Round 2, you are hoping to get a starter so I'd think they'd be looking elsewhere.

Posted by: p1funk | January 27, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey your the one thats saying that he cant play the position. I would have to see it before i believe that he cant play the position. As ive stated I think he can, as can other 6-3 240 pound people.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction and I aren't the same person

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM

Don't even joke about that monk.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 27, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

We're letting 235 pound undersized Rocky McIntosh go and considering adding 237 pound Von Miller.

Oh, okay.

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

You are certainly celebrating the day then!

We would let Mac go and consider Miller because Miller projects to be a far superior talent.

Weight has nothing to do with it. If it did, half the posters on this board would project as perfect 3-4 OLB's in your world.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

rocky could play outside in the 3-4 if the skins wanted to keep him... he did have over 100 tackles as an inside backer in the 3-4... it's not like he can't play...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 27, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

After all is said and done, the fact is this is the NFL Draft. We can have all the discussions/anlaysis, mock drafts, Kiper's pick, etc..., but you never really know what you're going to get. Only a few players are ever sure things in the NFL. Most guys that are drafted come in and do decent jobs. The superstars are far in between. You may find the next leader or hall of famer on your team in the 6th or 7th round. You may find your next bust in the 1st round. It's a toss up. You take a chance on what you think a kid coming out of college will do. Some guys look great coming out of college and some look average. A pick can go either way. I just hope we draft some kids who are willing to come in and work and become some of the core Redskins we're going to want to watch and support for the next 10 years or so. Let's just get some kids in here who love the game and want to make this team better.

Posted by: mbroo1 | January 27, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

weneedlineman

I thought were letting him (RockyMac) go because although he is lighter he is not significantly faster or more agile than other larger, stronger, better tackling linebackers that other teams have.

You are thinking--that's good.

Let's be honest and say that given his draft pedigree (2nd round), Rock just hasn't lived up to the hype.

He hasn't been a standout linebacker in the 3-4 or 4-3.

And so, maybe goes as we need a larger, more dynamic inside linebacker who stout against the run, but can make plays in coverage.

Is Von Miller thebest guy to replace him: I dunno.

But someone should.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

But it seems that alot of the 3-4 teams out there have their NTs in place and in Round 2, you are hoping to get a starter so I'd think they'd be looking elsewhere.

Posted by: p1funk | January 27, 2011 12:17 PM


I posted earlier that the Chiefs like Taylor a lot and could use their 1st rounder on him...even still, teams like (just off the top of my head) the Broncos, Chiefs, and Texans are going to need a NT and a team like Pittsburgh could go after him to work into their program now so he can eventually succeed Casey Hampton. I hope you're right that he'll be there for us in Round 2, but if he has a great combine I doubt he lasts that long.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 12:17 PM

I said from what professionals (Mayock/Kerwin) have said is that he projects to be a 4-3 wil or sam more so than a 3-4 OLB.

Good day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

From Todd McShay at espn.com:

Each year, there are players who separate themselves from the pack. They enter the week among the handful of players with first-round grades, but they quickly emerge as the elite class. ...While there have been just two practices this year, Texas A&M OLB Von Miller and Colorado OT Nate Solder are well on their way to joining that list. ...From what we see on the field and what we're hearing about their interviews off it, Miller and Solder are standing out the most this week. ... [Miller] was allowed to leave the LBs and join the D-linemen for one-on-one pass rush drills Tuesday, and it was impressive. He was unstoppable against players who are expected to go in the first two days of the draft.

I'd rather have an elite QB, NT, OL or CB than OLB but I doubt any will be avaiable at 10. Realistically, Miller probably has gone before we pick as well but if he is there he has been very productive in college, with 28 sacks in his last two years. That includes a 4-game dry patch after returning from injury.

I am with giving Jimmy Johnson's approach a try and trusting college production. I got sick and tired of watching the too slow and too small Emmitt Smith running over and away from our guys.

Also, Brandon Banks showed that his college production didn't dry up in the pros and he looks as though someone has brought their kid to work. Miller just looks a little thin at the moment.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Weight has nothing to do with it. If it did, half the posters on this board would project as perfect 3-4 OLB's in your world.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM

I think I project to the dude that picks up the tee after the kickoffs. It is an awful long run though, maybe I can get Gano to toss it halfway after he kicks!

If OLB stood for Overweight Lazy B*stard then beep would be perfect!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"the Broncos, Chiefs, and Texans are going to need a NT"

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Broncos going back to a 4-3. And for all the naysayers saying Von Miller could be too small for a 3-4, there are other examples of undersized 3-4 OLB's. Like James Harrison. I'd love to have him team up with Orakpo but he'll be gone

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was National Backward Thinking Day.

I guess I was right.

Posted by: MistaMoe


No it's not National Backward Thinking Day. But what I'm about to say is "touch blue make it true" : Today is Punch the Clock Day - something most in these parts did two hours late or not at all - AND Thomas Crapper Day - A plummer who actually didn't invent the flush toilet but did help spread the word. He did however invent the ballcock mechanism that is found in the tank of the flush toilet.


True story, no sh*t.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 27, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

You should see how much Mayock loved Phillip Merling.
Good day to you too and Hail to the Redskins...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 27, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes...O-line and D-line are important but how about this stat...

The Steelers allowed 49 sacks this season...13 more than the Skins. The Broncos only allowed 12! The Packers allowed 38...2 more than the Skins!

....the difference...we need a QB!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction and I aren't the same person

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:16 PM

Don't even joke about that monk.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 27, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I knew I'd get you to comment on that one! So where's my favorite sock puppet been lately, I haven't seen you in a while, I thought maybe you had started a search party for the beepster!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Cameron Jordan's father, Steve Jordan... I believe he was the TE for the Vikings when the Redskins played them in the NFC Championship in 87 and he was the intended receiver on the 4th and goal final play of the game that D. Green broke up.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 27, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok so who's the bigger bonehead Kiper or J Reid I mean come the Redskins have the 10th pick and yet you and Kiper believe Von Miller won't make it out of the top 10 well isn't 10 in the top 10??? And furthermore these so called experts on who's going to draft who is stupid because it changes as teams make moves in free agency and how many times have Kiper and McShay been right about who the Skins were going to draft...the percentage is very low ah yeah still remember Kiper and his boy Claussen from last year...going in the first round going to the Skins yada, yada, yada

Posted by: papaskynz | January 27, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest and say that given his draft pedigree (2nd round), Rock just hasn't lived up to the hype.

He hasn't been a standout linebacker in the 3-4 or 4-3.

And so, maybe goes as we need a larger, more dynamic inside linebacker who stout against the run, but can make plays in coverage.

Is Von Miller thebest guy to replace him: I dunno.

But someone should.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Miller, definitely not a replacement for Mac. Personally, I'd like to give Alexander a try at ILB.

To me he is not quick enough on the outside. 97 could serve as run stuffer on the inside and as bigger body to keep interior linemen off London Fletcher. I am not sure Alexander has the talent to start full time, but I think he could be used to jam the middle and serve almost as full back to block for Fletcher.

I thought Henson looked very promising during the pre-season. If he has recovered then he might be an option. Perry Riley will probably also play a part in replacing Rocky.

At this point I can't see us prioritising ILB. It might well be a mistake but I think the coaching staff and front office will try to get by with a committee approach to the position and make do with guys already on the roster and budget free agents.

To be fair, finding a pass rushing threat on the other side of Orakpo is a huge deal. As is finding a way to stop people holding 'Rak. LT would have pummelled someone by now. Orakpo seems like too nice a guy. Opposing blockers don't worry that he'll snap and try to hurt them if they don't stop cheating.

To steal a quote, "sometimes you need to throw and elbow on national tv."

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

SOMEBODY on the D-Line is going to drop to us, a la Orakpo..But, if they're letting Rocky walk, we're definitely in the market for a Von Miller OLB..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd be much happier with Marcell Dareus and Jerrell Powe.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 27, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Cameron Jordan's father, Steve Jordan... I believe he was the TE for the Vikings when the Redskins played them in the NFC Championship in 87 and he was the intended receiver on the 4th and goal final play of the game that D. Green broke up.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 27, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 27, 2011 12:17 PM


I posted earlier that the Chiefs like Taylor a lot and could use their 1st rounder on him...even still, teams like (just off the top of my head) the Broncos, Chiefs, and Texans are going to need a NT and a team like Pittsburgh could go after him to work into their program now so he can eventually succeed Casey Hampton. I hope you're right that he'll be there for us in Round 2, but if he has a great combine I doubt he lasts that long.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse


Pretty sure Fox is changing the Broncos back to a 4-3, so scratch one team off the list.

But if the Niners can;t lock down Franklin Abrayou long-term (or don't want to pay him), I guess they might be looking for insurance.

Steelers seem like they need O-linemen now, more than a nose tackle later on.

Posted by: p1funk | January 27, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I knew I'd get you to comment on that one!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:40 PM

Even a sock puppet needs a day off now and then...looks like I picked a bad day though...six or so posts yesterday...during the offseason...holy smokes!

Oh and I think I got that Shovelers Elbow now that you were talking about...sh*ts no joke.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 27, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers allowed 49 sacks this season...13 more than the Skins. The Broncos only allowed 12! The Packers allowed 38...2 more than the Skins!

....the difference...we need a QB!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 12:39 PM

Yes they do.

BTW throw me in the camp that think Von Miller would be fine at OLB in a 3-4.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"Cameron Jordan's father, Steve Jordan... I believe he was the TE for the Vikings when the Redskins played them in the NFC Championship in 87 and he was the intended receiver on the 4th and goal final play of the game that D. Green broke up."

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 27, 2011 12:54 PM

No, that was RB Darrin Nelson. God, what a memory, though. Will we see the 'Skins in another NFC title game in our lifetimes?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 27, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"And furthermore these so called experts on who's going to draft who is stupid because it changes as teams make moves in free agency and how many times have Kiper and McShay been right about who the Skins were going to draft...the percentage is very low ah yeah still remember Kiper and his boy Claussen from last year...going in the first round going to the Skins yada, yada, yada"

Posted by: papaskynz | January 27, 2011 12:46 PM

In all fairness to the "draft experts," they do adjust their projections based on what the teams do in free agency. Agreed, though, that predicting the draft is more art than science.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 27, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that Cerrato/Gibbs/Snyder were inept at evaluating talent. They miscalulated and overpaid for many players.


Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 12:11 PM

(Day 14 - Last Day!)

I think you're being too hard on Gibbs by including his name with the other two. There are some stellar players on this draft list.

Were there some misses? Of course. But I challenge you to show me the egregarious busts or grievous mistakes in player procurement during the Gibbs regime.

2007
1. LaRon Landry, S, LSU, 6-0, - 6th overall
5. Dallas Sartz, LB, USC - 143rd overall
6. H.B. Blades, LB, Pittsburgh - 179th overall
6. Jordan Palmer, QB, Texas-El Paso - 205th overall
6. Tyler Ecker, TE, Michigan - 216th overall

2006
2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall

2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)

2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall


Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse


"egregarious busts" = "egregious busts"

(Nothing to do with Dolly Parton)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2011 1:11 PM

Congrats Alan...my how time flies...and only 10 more hours to go!

Interesting reflection on those drafts as well...all four top picks were defense...and three of them were secondary.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 27, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

i had high hopes for nehemiah broughton....oh well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What!!!!!

2006
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall

2004
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

We drafted these linemen, and they failed!!!

Damn!!: why waste picks on them!

Linemen, I mean.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanny will trade our pick to Chicago for Jay Cutler since only he seems to know the hidden talents these sort of QBs posses.

Posted by: zimife1999 | January 27, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Interesting factoid:

The "other" QB drafted by Joe Gibbs 2.0, Jordan Palmer, is currently the backup QB on the Cincinnati Bengals.

He's the backup to his brother, Carson.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I knew I'd get you to comment on that one!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 12:40 PM

Even a sock puppet needs a day off now and then...looks like I picked a bad day though...six or so posts yesterday...during the offseason...holy smokes!

Oh and I think I got that Shovelers Elbow now that you were talking about...sh*ts no joke.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 27, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the RI staff has been busy cuttin-n-pastin, they must be happy to get rid of Reid soon!

I told you, shoveling snow sucks. Just put some ice in one of your sock puppets for your elbow, it helps!

Posted by: monk811 | January 27, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Alan 4...

I'll accept your challenge! Joe Gibbs was team president (meaning he had final say on personnel decisions)

#1 The Redskins sent a 3rd dround pick to Denver for T. J. Duckett (Idiotic)

#2 The Redskins gave a 3rd and a 5th round pick for Brandon Lloyd, PLUS tore up his contract for a new one!!!! (c'mon man)

#3 The Redskins made Adam Archuleta the highest paid safety in the HISTORY of the NFL.

#4 The Redkins gave up a 4th round pick for 34 YEAR OLD GUARD Pete Kendall!!!

#5 The Redskins traded UP to get Jason Campbell when NO ONE was going to pick him.

#6 The Redskins gave up two picks to move up to get Rocky McIntosh

Sure Alan, there were some hits under Gibbs, but no way Gibbs get a pass and Cerrato "The Dancing Bear" skates!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanny will trade our pick to Chicago for Jay Cutler since only he seems to know the hidden talents these sort of QBs posses.

Posted by: zimife1999 | January 27, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Vonn Miller play OLB in a 3-4 in college?


Nothing against Von Miller--but I want stud NT/DT/DE who can stop the run and collapse the pocket.

Guys like that make ordinary linebackers look like Von Miller.

And there are a lot of guys like that in this draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 11:43 AM | Report
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Mr Moe: I agree with quite a bit of what you say regularly, like your take on the oline and what we need to do with the d front seven.

Im curious as to how you feel Jarmon fits into it all. He might never be more than depth or a rotational DE. But I'm not sure we should forget about him as a starting DE just yet. He is putting weight back on this year. Maybe he fills a huge need for us? Who knows, but it's an option.

Lets say he doesn't pan out as a starter or Shanahan has other plans. My take is to go after Cam Jordan for the rush end. I'm already dreaming of he and Orakpo lining up on the same side!

To sweeten this deal, how about the best available Nose tackle in the second round. I doubt Taylor lasts that long, but I'd settle for the second or even third best in the draft-- they would be better than what we have now.

Adding those 2 guys will greatly improve the play of the rest of the D. We can add other pieces that will work well enough through FA (LB and such).

What say you to that?

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 27, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Continuing on the whale/Moby Dick theme ... no way the Giants, Eagles or Cowboys will draft anyone in that category ... they already have plenty of dicks.

Posted by: Rational_Man | January 27, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

sweetsweetlou

I'm curious as to how you feel Jarmon fits into it all.

I'm on record as deeming the Jarmon drafting a bad one as the time, we had already spent a pick on a de named Orakpo, had de's Wilson and Jackson in-house, and A Carter, too.

We needed that summer-time pick of a 3rd rounder for an offensive lineman in the 2010 draft (we could've taken T Cody-NT!!!)

With that being said, I'd say he needs a defined role: he can put on weight, and might have a home at right de-end backing up V Holiday.

He did look like he could play when he got in at the end of the season, as did RobJax.

To sweeten this deal, how about the best available Nose tackle in the second round.

Let's start by saying A Carriker is a great addition and P Daniels a goner.

1st, I'd say A Bryant is our starting NT.

Drafting a kid to back him Bryant makes sense.

But the team has to make decisions on Kemo (did his recovery from an achilles injury hamper his play or is he done?), AH (will he be a redskin? If so, is he playing NT/T or De-end?), and the young'n Joe Joseph (is he a rookie that might grow into a player?)

The layers of questions about our unsettled interior defensive linemen situation is why that portion of the team has immediate needs, the offensive line notwithstanding.

So, yes, if J Powe, P Taylor or some other such good NT is there in the second round, take him....

....and answer some of the questions.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Good to see I got some chatter going (more than Rick Maese did anyway).

So if we don't trade up from #10, then use it for Titus Young, Boise, WR. Or if 10 is too high, then trade back, but he's going to go in the first round (second WR ... after A.J. Green but before Julio Jones). Book it. Please.

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

We would be crazy to draft a wide reciever with either the 1st or 2nd round pick. Maybe in the later rounds (like rounds 5-7).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

sweetsweetlou

I'm curious as to how you feel Jarmon fits into it all.

I'm on record as deeming the Jarmon drafting a bad one as the time, we had already spent a pick on a de named Orakpo, had de's Wilson and Jackson in-house, and A Carter, too.

We needed that summer-time pick of a 3rd rounder for an offensive lineman in the 2010 draft (we could've taken T Cody-NT!!!)

With that being said, I'd say he needs a defined role: he can put on weight, and might have a home at right de-end backing up V Holiday.

He did look like he could play when he got in at the end of the season, as did RobJax.

To sweeten this deal, how about the best available Nose tackle in the second round.


Let's start by saying A Carriker is a great addition and P Daniels a goner.

1st, I'd say A Bryant is our starting NT.

Drafting a kid to back him Bryant makes sense.

But the team has to make decisions on Kemo (did his recovery from an achilles injury hamper his play or is he done?), AH (will he be a redskin? If so, is he playing NT/T or De-end?), and the young'n Joe Joseph (is he a rookie that might grow into a player?)

The layers of questions about our unsettled interior defensive linemen situation is why that portion of the team has immediate needs, the offensive line notwithstanding.

So, yes, if J Powe, P Taylor or some other such good NT is there in the second round, take him....

....and answer some of the questions.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse


The #10 pick should be someone on the defensive front 7...someone who can put pressure on the QB and that will compliment Orakapo. I hope that we can salvage some of the younger defensive players.....R. Jackson and J. Jarmon

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Von Miller. Trade up."

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM

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We've got to stop getting enamoured by the shiniest objects. I would 100x more rather trade down. We've got so many needs that one guy, even if he is a stud, isn't going to fix it. Trading up unless we can do it without giving up anything that we plan on using down the road would be foolhardy. The only exception would be if we could guarantee that we would end up with a stud, franchise QB but there isn't one in this draft so, no thanks.

Posted by: ouvan59 | January 27, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

HBCU Classics in the League:

1. Nick Collins S Bethune – Pro Bowl
2. Robert Mathis DE Ala AM – Pro Bowl
3. Erik Weems WR Bethune – Pro Bowl
4. Antoine Bethea S Howard
5. Jacoby Jones WR Lane
6. Donald Driver WR Alcorn
7. Rashean Mathis WR Bethune
8. Visanthe Shiancoe TE Morgan St.
9. Travaris Jackson QB Ala St.
10. Dom. Ro. Cromartie CB TN St.

Hall of Fame: Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Doug Williams, Mean Joe Green, John Stallworth, etc.

Posted by: typrather | January 27, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn unemployed again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dodahula | January 27, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dodahula | January 27, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

You know the F^en cowbores will jump in and snatch Von Miller off the table!

Posted by: iubiquity | January 27, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about drafting and trading players. Are you watching the same franchise that I am. This club is a disaster. Anyone impressed with Mike Shanahan is smokin' somethin' that they should share with the rest of us. The #4 overall pick is the only guy from Shanny's 1st draft class to stick. His philosophy that other teams stick with bad draft picks too should be etched in stone somewhere. Trading for McNabb was shrewd. I lived in Phillie during the McNabb years and trust me, Andy Reid knew exactly what he was getting rid of. Willie Parker? Rex Grossman? Yup, I'm feeling much better about the Redskins these days. Lousy free-agent signings. Lousy drafts. Lousy seasons. The line was horrendous before he got here and it's still horrendous. Does it even look like they have a plan? No! They could've traded down last year, gotten more picks and still gotten Williams. Who could judge how good Campbell was behind that line? Why don't they let Tom Cruise draft for us this year? Couldn't do any worse.

Posted by: kicknit | January 27, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Undersized D lineman... R u guys serious!? Dumerville can get away with it because he is in the AFC West, this is the NFC bEast. In Nov & Dec when that undrsized frame is getting run thru and over, we will all be ready to go OFF ON THEM for making that pick.

Posted by: boo4hi | January 28, 2011 3:32 AM | Report abuse

@ kicknit
I am wondering the same thing that you are. I can see the light at the end of this tunnel, unfortunately I hear a very loud CHOO CHOO attached.

Posted by: boo4hi | January 28, 2011 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton would make things exciting, but would consign any defensive help until the 3rd round or later. As for the great free agent class which will bail the Skins out (no free agent can sign until there is a new CBA, which means we don't know who will be free, who will carry a price tag, yada yada), Shanahan has not yet had the opportunity to show if he can get players to come to DC, especially given the drama concerning McNabb and Haynesworth

Posted by: Nemo24601 | January 28, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Trade first round for two second round early picks.

GET TWO OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!

IDOITS WERE YOU WATCHING LAST YEAR!

THE QB NEEDS PROTECTION NO PROTECTION NO SCORE!

DEFENSE CAN BE ADDRESS THRU FREE AGENCY!

Posted by: shamken | January 28, 2011 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get Cam Newton to play both sides of the ball!!! :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 28, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller is not too small to play OLB in the 3-4 see the 2 of the best 3-4 OLBs in the league:

James Harrison 6' 242lbs

Elvis Dumervil 5'11 248lbs

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 28, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller has shown he has a knack to get to the QB. Some guys have all the numbers but it doesn't translate on the field. Dumervil and Harrison proved that height and weight don't mean everything. Plus, unlike Dumervil and Harrison he has good height at 6'3. He has the frame to put on 10 lbs of muscle once he gets with NFL trainers. And don't be fooled by a few bad practices. He shows up in games. A lot of players don't learn how to practice until they hit the pros. If he is there at 10 you have to take him.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 28, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

One last thing on this then I'm done. Orakpo is not a prototypical 3-4 OLB either. He is a huge liability in coverage. Which means, as I see a lot of you saying, don't drop him in coverage. But the whole point of the 3-4 is to disguise the rushers. You don't want them knowing where the extra guy is coming form, so 3-4 OLBs need to be able to both drop in coverage and consistently beat one on ones rushing the QB. The teams that have the best 3-4 defenses (Steelers, New England, GB) have college LBs playing OLB. The converted DEs rack up the sack numbers(and probably would as 4-3 DEs too), but limit the flexibility that is the greatest benefit in of the 3-4. Shanahan and Haslett has said they want to build a Steelers type 3-4. If Miller is available at 10 and they don't draft him, then they are liars and should be fired. But Shanahan drafted the "undersized" Dumervil in Denver, and I see him following the same logic here.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 28, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Best case
Trade #10 to Miami For #15 and 3rd rounder
Trade Mcnabb to ARZ for a 3rd
Trade Albert H to Oakland or anyone who will take him for a 4th

Gives them 1,2, 2 #3's, 2 #4's, 2 #5's, 6 and 2 #7's.
Re sign Jammal Brown
Sign Lutui gaurd Cards, Pool safety Jets, Sims Walker WR JAX, Goodman LB/De BAL.

#1 Julio Jones wr or Hankerson
#2 Cameron Jordan DE cal he will be here if not him Bailey MIA or Heywerd OHio st will
#3 Camicheal CB Va Tech
#3 Beal ILB OK
#4 Dalton QB TCU
#4 Moffitt G Wisc
#5 Williams NT ND pure 3-4 NT
#5 Fitzpatrick C TCU
#6 Byrnes ILB AUB Classic MLB
#7 Dion Lewis RB Pitt
#7 Muhamed ILB Cal
Every Free agent kicker left over after draft

Adding Jordan, Carmicheal, Goodman, Pool, Beal, Byrnes and Williams improves Defense and speed.
Jordan Gives speed rush opposite Orapko
Alexander is cool guy But Beal and Goodman give you faster options at OLB opposite Orapko.
Williams is a natural NT and likes it.
Fletcher is getting old and Mcintosh is horrible. Byrnes would be a steal. Aub def captain leader much like Fletcher.
Beal is solid can play inside or out and Muhamud can play period. We need fast aggressive backers to play 3-4. Also, Beal and Byrnes are high character guys.

Lutui and Moffitt are brawlers makes interior line play better.
Lewis is more explosive than L. williams as a change of pace guy plus great hands.
4 rec sets with Moss, Armstrong, Walker- Simms and Jones add Cooley to 5 rec sets.
These things will make Grossman better.


Posted by: joeortega4 | January 28, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't ever believe Kiper is being objective. He takes money from agents to hype their clients while downgrading those who won't pay him.

Posted by: iliwai34 | January 29, 2011 3:52 AM | Report abuse

this is better
trade a.carter for a 4th
trade#10 pick for miami's 15, and a 3rd
keep mcnabb, and hansworth
trade d.dockery for a 4th
resign s.moss, and j.brown, c.rogers(sadly)

1st-- WR-julio jones(alabama)
2nd-- ILB/OLB-casey matthews(oregon)
3rd-- NT-phil taylor(baylor)
4th-- RB-jaquizz rodgers(oregon state)
4th-- G-john moffitt(wisconsin)
5TH-- DE/OLB-Sam Acho(Texas)

U FILL THE NEEDS AT 6 POSITIONS THATS NEEDED.STARTING DRAFT PICKS RIGHT OF THE BAT. JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

Posted by: cedric01 | January 29, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cedric, Dockery and Carter have Zero trade value. 0. Casey Mathews in 2nd is a stretch big time. Quizz would be nice. Boy got hips.
Why keep Mcnabb and Haynesworth? Neither ever wanna play here again. Getting more picks allows a good GM leeway. You can pick 2 guys at same spot in case one doesn't work out.

Posted by: joeortega4 | January 29, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

joeortega4. well i was just thinking dat dockery, and carter dont fit with our system and can be starters somewhere else. a desperate team can take them(bills, raiders, panthers)

and keep mcnabb, and hansworth because after another year under the system put hansworth at d.end, with a new nose takle he will play well. mcnabb situation will work itself out, adding in other weapons on offense he would be more comfortable

Posted by: cedric01 | January 29, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Cedric what going on? Yea dock and carter seem to be odd guys out. Dockery couldn't get off bench. Don't know what the heck he did. Maybe bad joke about kyle? But he was banished.
One thing. Don't like the way Mcnabb runs an offense. Don't mean actual throws or execution after snap. Just pre snap. Very slow. They took forever to get out of the huddle and line up. With NFL offenses receivers have options based on coverage. Lineman have calls based on defensive front alignment. You need time to execute these calls. Rex does this well. So does Brady and Peyton.That's just the Coach in me probably.
Albert does not want to play here. That is done in his mind.
If you want an Albert replacement your boy Taylor from Baylor fits the bill. They could just draft him. I think he has some baggage. I think.
Maybe we can package Carter and Alberta and get a 4th. What you think?

Posted by: joeortega4 | January 30, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Cedric what going on? Yea dock and carter seem to be odd guys out. Dockery couldn't get off bench. Don't know what the heck he did. Maybe bad joke about kyle? But he was banished.
One thing. Don't like the way Mcnabb runs an offense. Don't mean actual throws or execution after snap. Just pre snap. Very slow. They took forever to get out of the huddle and line up. With NFL offenses receivers have options based on coverage. Lineman have calls based on defensive front alignment. You need time to execute these calls. Rex does this well. So does Brady and Peyton.That's just the Coach in me probably.
Albert does not want to play here. That is done in his mind.
If you want an Albert replacement your boy Taylor from Baylor fits the bill. They could just draft him. I think he has some baggage. I think.
Maybe we can package Carter and Alberta and get a 4th. What you think?

Posted by: joeortega4 | January 30, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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