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Brooks May Succeed Frost Again

Jason La Canfora reports:

Former Skins punter Durant Brooks will work out today in Green Bay and will be evaluated to fill the vacancy that was created when the team released Derrick Frost.

Brooks, the Skins' sixth-round draft pick (168th overall) out of Georgia Tech, beat out Frost for the punting job in Washington and played in six games before being replaced by Ryan Plackemeier.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 3, 2008; 10:15 AM ET
 
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If he's successful in GB, let me be the FIRST to say I told you so.

Posted by: mack1 | December 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Dallas is not going the rest of the season unscathed. With our tiebreakers, we should be able to get in with an 11-5 record. 10-6, however, will not get it done.

Posted by: psps23 | December 3, 2008 9:51 AM

Dude...be real. Dallas has Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NY and Philly left. If they win more than 2 of those I'll be shocked. The only thing I'm worried about is the NFC South because two of those teams are going to the playoffs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

It is paramount to finish 2nd in the division in order to get a wild-card. Simply be in front of Dallas.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

if we could somehow get two seconds that would be great, only if they sign impact guys at Dline in free agency, if not, I say stay in round 1 and get an impact guy there. If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers or both then trade down and go Oline, if we sign Oline and LB help stay in round 1 and go Dline. Pretty much what I'm saying is the teams needs impact players on the dline one way or another, once you drop out of the first round it gets less and less likely to find impact guys.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

and from last thread brown, the NFC South is going to send three. Look at their schedules it is highly unlikely that Atlanta, Carolina, and Tampa don't all finish at 11 wins or better. In fact, I'd be surprised if two don't get to 12 wins.

Atlanta should beat NO, Minny, and St, Louis so if they can beat Tampa at home (where they are very good this year) they make 12.

Even if Tampa loses to Carolina and Atlanta on the road they make 11 beating SD and Oak and if they steal a road game they get to 12.

If Carolina beats Tampa at home then they make 12 beating Den and NO and maybe 13 getting the Giants in week 16 after they've clinched homefield and a bye most likely.

Face it, we're a extreme longshot to make the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

2nd in the division doesn't secure a spot if your record is 9-7 or 10-6 but 11-5 and you're in.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The only thing I'm worried about is the NFC South because two of those teams are going to the playoffs.


Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Me too, but damn those Falcons and Panthers keep winning.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

11-5 will be tough.
Right now I am willing to cut my losses and say I am happy with what I have seen to date and am looking to seeing Zorns offense working next year. Any wins we get after this are gravy. But I will not be spending any money on skins junk this season.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Jack, once again your pessimism has clouded your judgement. Every NFC South team has won every division game at home this year. The one thing the Saints can do is win at home. Do you think they will just roll over to a division rival at home even if they have no shot?

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

but 11-5 and you're in.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Not if Atlanta, Tampa, and Carolina get to 11-5 also, we hold no tiebreakers with any of them and we already have 4 conference loses.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Finally having a chance to listen to the Zorn Presser from Monday. How is it that LaCan is the only press guy I can ever freaking hear ask his question?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers"

I'm not sure that either guy will get to Free Agency, without being franchised first.

Given the choice, I'd rather have Pep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If Carolina is 11-5 their conference record will be worse than 8-4.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

they play atlanta and carolina at home, two teams that already beat them soundly and now they don't have either of their starting ends, they lost their one good corner since the last time they played them, Deuce is done for the year, and reggie bush is banged up something that wasn't the case the last time they played either. Will they roll over? no, are the chances good that they can win? no

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Brooks also had workouts in Arizona and in Cincinnati. Lot of competition in Green Bay, though. They're working out three other punters, plus reconsidering the guys that they looked at earlier when they first realized that Frost wasn't getting the job done.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers or both

...and some people consider Jack a pessimist!

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I sense that Brooks will have as much success in Green Bay as he had here ... he has a nervous additional half step problem.

Ray Guy Award winner or not ... Plackemeier is too ... and he also was drafted (Plackemeir was #239, 7th round ... Brooks was #168, 6th round).

Looking at the top punters in the league right now, most of them seem to be drafted in the 5th round or later ... though McBriar and Kluwe were free agents. This leads me to believe that it probably is impossible to find a good punter (though its seems fairly straightforward to find a bad one).

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that either guy will get to Free Agency, without being franchised first.

Given the choice, I'd rather have Pep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

How many times do I have to say this? Haynesworth is guaranteed free agency if he makes the pro bowl which is pretty much a guarantee, Peppers might be franchised that's true, but they have Gross at tackle as well who they franchised last year, so they have a decision to make there....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting. What if Brooks wins the job and does an excellent job there. How crappy does that make vinny and our sp teams coach look (Danny Smith)?

Posted by: Devo2 | December 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

It is paramount to finish 2nd in the division in order to get a wild-card. Simply be in front of Dallas.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:28 AM

It's ALWAYS paramount to finish ahead of Dallas. Regardless of the playoff picture. But yes, 11-5 gets you in and 10-6 puts the ball in the court of other teams. However, the NFC South will pretty much eliminate one of the 3 teams in the fold because they all play each other down the stretch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"if we could somehow get two seconds that would be great, only if they sign impact guys at Dline in free agency, if not, I say stay in round 1 and get an impact guy there. If we sign Haynesworth or Peppers or both then trade down and go Oline, if we sign Oline and LB help stay in round 1 and go Dline. Pretty much what I'm saying is the teams needs impact players on the dline one way or another, once you drop out of the first round it gets less and less likely to find impact guys.

Posted by: zjfr2"

You live in a Madden world. If we sign Haynesworth or Pepper OR BOTH? Ummm, zero chance of that. Probably won't sign either of them.

And I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation, there would be zero reason to draft a DL over an OL this year in the first round. Top 5 defense Vs. Bottom 5 offense. Our D is great despite our weak D line, our O is awful because of our weak O line.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:37 AM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I think the skins make a run at Plaxico in the off season.

Posted by: Original_etrod

So you're saying they they should give him a shot?

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying they SHOULD. I'm saying they will.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

It is possible that Carolina, Atlanta, and Washington all end up with identical records and 8-4 in the conference. Then the next tie-breaker would be strength of victory.

The Saints defense was crap anyway. The way they win games is by scoring more points.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What if Brooks wins the job and does an excellent job there. How crappy does that make vinny and our sp teams coach look (Danny Smith)?

Posted by: Devo2 | December 3, 2008 10:39 AM

Huh? How can this make Vinny look bad? Vinny drafted him. But Danny Smith has looked bad every time the special teams are on the field this year. At least, since we cut Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Therefore, we punt on every first down.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 3, 2008 10:19 AM

If Zorn stays stubborn, maybe punting on 3rd down would be a great idea.

And if the offense is anywhere inside the 50, they should always go for it, but punt it on 3rd if you only send people 2 yards below the 1st down marker.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The 'skins have a four game road winning streak and a three game losing streak of playing at night. Somethings got to give.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Brooks is healthy already? I thought he was going to shut it down this season

Posted by: trolly_time | December 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence was a beast.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

What if Brooks wins the job and does an excellent job there. How crappy does that make vinny and our sp teams coach look (Danny Smith)?

Posted by: Devo2 | December 3, 2008 10:39 AM

Danny Smith held harmless ... would be all Vinny's fault. Danny Smith is a coach; Vinny is the last word on draft choices.

OK, seriously, I'm not serious. Releasing Brooks when they did was absolutely the correct decision. No fault would lie on anyone. It would just be good luck the next team's part ... bad luck for us. It was the right decision.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I can see D Smith getting the axe this year. That's just how it is when you're squad is performing misreable on all fronts. With or without Liegh Torrence.

Just ask Eddie Jordan. He didn't get a muligan because Leigh Torrence was IR'd....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You live in a Madden world. If we sign Haynesworth or Pepper OR BOTH? Ummm, zero chance of that. Probably won't sign either of them.

And I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation, there would be zero reason to draft a DL over an OL this year in the first round. Top 5 defense Vs. Bottom 5 offense. Our D is great despite our weak D line, our O is awful because of our weak O line.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:37 AM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Plz explain why there is zero chance of this? Haynesworth is guaranteed to hit FA and Peppers may, why is there zero chance the Danny wouldn't sign the biggest names on the market if he has the cap space (which with several large salaried veterans cutable he can and will)?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

zfjr2 - it would depend how we got there, but if atlanta goes 11-5 but loses to NO or STL - we would have a better common opponent record than them, putting us in. Same with Carolina and Tampa - would depend how they got there.

But they are not all going 11-5, and neither are we. I really see us getting in at 10-6. I think Dallas is going to finish 10-6 and we'll have the common games over them, and Atlanta will also be 10-6 and well have them on conference record.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Given the choice, I'd rather have Pep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 10:36 AM

I'm with you there, Greg. Haynesworth is playing lights out because it's a contract year. I guarantee he won't play like that next year. Peppers is one of the best DEs in the league and has the size and skills to stuff the run (unlike our friend Jason Taylor). Carolina can only use one franchise tag and we could use either Peppers or Gross.

I also agree with Alex; I didn't have this team making the playoffs this year and breaking even was a win in my mind. It's frustrating that the team couldn't take advantage of a 6-2 start, but this was supposed to be a stepping stone season anyway. A 10-6 finish, playoffs or not is a great start to the Zorn era. Hell, even matching last year's 9-7 is a nice beginning.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I guarantee that dude is a pro bowl punter in two years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should sign Haynesworth if he becomes a FA... He will make a difference on the d-line by clasping the pocket and allowing for more four man rushes.

Other needs include a better punter, SLB, backup RG, and a backup C.

Posted by: siris | December 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I think the skins make a run at Plaxico in the off season.

Posted by: Original_etrod

>>>> Which would be ill-advised. You should run AWAY from an armed man, not run AT him.

So you're saying they they should give him a shot?

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

>>>> I think he's taken care of that for himself.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Brooks Durant?!? We talkin' 'bout Brooks Durant???

Did I ever tell you about the time he taught his son how to drive? He did it by entering him in the Indy 500. The kid wrecked and died. Brooks said it would've happened sometime....

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence once ripped a man's heart out...over the phone.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

So you're saying they they should give him a shot?

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse


Plaxico gave himself a shot.

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Even though I am looking at the season as a wash I do see us matching 9-7, We can beat Cinci and SF, out of pure pride we need to.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Cork I got your joke, most find it a little hard to pick up sarcasm on this blog.
Oh and I don't think we will have the chance to give him a shot, with him potentially being in jail for 3 1/2 years and all.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | December 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Ryp

Common opponents is a minimum of four.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Also, I still think we should have held on to Brooks (if I were asked)....

But only time will tell....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

singing what might be the two biggest free agents in the league is just not gonna happen. You think every other team in the league is gonna sit back while we sign both of them?

One would be good, then we could work on the OL in the draft for sure.

but remember people were saying Peppers was done, what, last year? Or maybe two years ago, can't remember.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

But they are not all going 11-5, and neither are we. I really see us getting in at 10-6. I think Dallas is going to finish 10-6 and we'll have the common games over them, and Atlanta will also be 10-6 and well have them on conference record.


........maybe not, but I promise at least two of them will get there or better, and Atlanta at the very least will get to 10.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Damn! Watch Brooks good to GB and light up. It will be a case of us given up on young talent too soon once again.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Punters are some strange rangers. Brooks today is punting against a guy named Baugher. You've heard of mean mother fuggers, well according to the Green Bay paper Baugher is a bad father beater:

Baugher spent part of the 2006 season on the New England Patriots’ practice squad and almost won the job in training camp the next season. In three games during the 2007 preseason, Baugher punted nine times and had averages of 44.8 (gross) and 39.0 (net). According to the Boston Globe, he appeared to have the inside track on the job after the team cut veteran Josh Miller. However, the Patriots cut Baugher when veteran Chris Hanson became available.

Then, in a bizarre turn of events, Baugher was charged with assault and battery the day after the Patriots released him. He was alleged to have assaulted his father in the parking lot of a fast-food restaurant at 4 a.m. According to the Boston Herald, which obtained the police report, Baugher was drunk at the time and told police that he “was released by the New England Patriots, and he was not handling it very well.” He pleaded not guilty to the charges, but it’s unclear how it was resolved.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

Dallas could go 10-6 by beating the giants and iggles and losing to the Steelers and Ravens; thus going in on division record.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

++++I love the idea of trading to get 3 2nd rounders that Rypien11 suggested. +++---Slipperyrichard


Based on what, how well that worked out THIS year?

We kid because we love.

Actually, that's not a bad idea, or something similar as Vinny so wisely invested this year's #2 on the Mambo King.

Judicious OL drafting in the 2nd and 3rd rounds can actually help reload the interior of the line, as centers and OGs tend to be undervalued in the draft. Everyone is looking for the next great tackle.

Biggest need, IMO, a BIG strong, smart, nasty young center (should be available in second round). Rabach got worked over mercilessly by the Big noseguards and tackles this year.

And when a defense blows up the middle the run game is dead and the QB can't move up into the pocket to pass.

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Truth, I agree signing both is very unlikely, you were making it sound like signing one of the two was impossible, personally, I prefer Haynesworth, everyone says Albert is in a contract year, well guess what, so is Peppers and he had an aweful year last year. Haynesworth has been steady for his whole career, look at what he did for Kearse, Kearse was CUT by philly and said to be washed up, now their talking about him for a Pro Bowl invite. Haynesworth instantly makes our Dline formidable, Monte is a solid #2 DT with Gholston and Alexander behind, all of a sudden your ends never see double teams he and Fletcher roams free, he instantly changes our front 7, I think and hope they are going to cut Griffin and throw the checkbook at Big AL.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think the skins make a run at Plaxico in the off season.

Posted by: Original_etrod


at the prison? he's going away for a couple years.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Cork, The Truth has been scouting such a center ... Alex Mack ... from some team somewhere.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Brooks get the job will frost say it was becouse he was a Vinny pick and the pack just wanted to help Vinny look good?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 3, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

We haven't beaten the Ryan Clark Dead Horse in a while.

Ryan Clark is looking like a beast in Pittsburgh. Signing ArchDeluxe was one of the biggest mistakes of the Gregggg williams Era (since you know, he had control of that side), and to a bigger extent - Snyder......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Alex Mack ... from some team somewhere.


Cal, I think.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

singing what might be the two biggest free agents in the league is just not gonna happen. You think every other team in the league is gonna sit back while we sign both of them?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 3, 2008 10:52 AM

Well, the other teams will let us "sing" them all we want. Reminds me of when Abe Pollin sent the band to Juwan Howard's house to serenade him. Yuck.

But this wouldn't be the first time we got the two best FA D linemen. Remember when Charlie Casserly pulled that off in 1998? He signed Sean Gilbert and Big Daddy Wilkinson. He said, you've got to get a pair. One just won't do because he'll get double teamed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Both Peppers and Stompy are in their 7th season ... I'd prefer someone coming off their FIRST contract ... like Dansby or Dockett.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

slow day at work for me and I am exhausted, stupid after work drinking party...

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Next year, its NFC South and AFC West. Can this o-line patch it together for those teams? The south is obviously tough but I'm more afraid of their offenses then their defense. I see drafting defensive playmakers - best available linebacker or d-linemen. I'm not saying it's the right move but the one the 'skins will take.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

everyone says Albert is in a contract year, well guess what, so is Peppers and he had an aweful year last year. Haynesworth has been steady for his whole career, look at what he did for Kearse, Kearse was CUT by philly and said to be washed up, now their talking about him for a Pro Bowl invite.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 3, 2008 10:58 AM

I've got two words for you: Dana Stubblefield. If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it. Say what you will about Peppers, but a guy like that comes around only once a generation and last year was an aberration. That dude will make everyone on the D-line better by just being on the field. Still need to address DT, but I'd rather steer clear from Stubblefield Jr.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Alex Mack U of Cal.
Class:
Senior

Hometown:
Santa Barbara

High School:
San Marcos HS

Height / Weight:
6-4 / 316

Position:
OL

Birthdate:
11/19/1985

Experience:
3V

Intended Major:
Legal Studies

Sept. 3, 2008 Feature Story

Follow Alex Mack's Sporting News Today Diaries

2008 (through 10/18): A top candidate for the Rimington Trophy as the top center in the nation ... named a semifinalist for the Lombardi Award ... a Phil Steele mid-season second-team All-American ... the anchor for a Cal line which has allowed just 33 sacks over the last 32 games ... helped the Cal ground game gain 168 ypg, averaging 5.5 ypr... the 391 rushing yards for the Bears against Washington State is the most since 1991 at Cal ... also on Watch List for the Outland Trophy (best interior lineman).

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

4th, i haven't listened to any of the pressers or zorny shows. did anyone actually ask zorny why they were running shorter than first down routes? especially with santa and cooley and ARE?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben - ACtually it is only four GAMES vs common opponents (could be three opponents making up four games) - but even so, we DO have 4 common opponents vs Atlanta (Detroit, Philly, NO, St Louis.)

They lost to Philly and beat NO, so if they lose to either of those two teams, they will be 3-2 in those games, whereas we would be 4-1 (I am assuming that we beat Philly, cause we pretty much HAVE to).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Going into the Skins-Cards game this year, I was behind someone who I think might have been Dockett's lady ... she was completely decked out in leather Dockett wear ... lots of sparkly things and fringes and such as

Haynesworth and Peppers will command a higher price tag than Dockett or Dansby. Also, I think the recent Skins trend is to eat less at the free agent buffet bar. I think the season they did four (Carter, Archuleta, Randel El, and Lloyd) was the end of an era ... like maybe The Owner doesn't want to be known for that anymore ... seems like the "one big name" offseasons (like Fletcher) might be the new norm, esp. with so few draft picks this season (after having "re-committed to the draft this past season).

Also, by my count, I think we get no compensatory picks this year. On the unsigned free agents leaving tally, the only one I think counts is Brunell, right?

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark is looking like a beast in Pittsburgh. Signing ArchDeluxe was one of the biggest mistakes of the Gregggg williams Era (since you know, he had control of that side), and to a bigger extent - Snyder......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 3, 2008 11:03 AM

Part of the reason is that he's playing in a city where they are asking him to be Ryan Clark and nothing more. They turn role players into stars there by playing to their strengths. Hopefully that ideology reaches Ashburn...

I'm on board with signing Dockett over Stubblefield Jr. That dude is a beast and has been wasting away in Arizona.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Is Dockett a free agent after this year?

Does anyone know if Dockery has a younger brother who is playing for Texas?? There is a cat coming out this year last name Dockery who is the SPITTING image of Derrick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Re: Dockett, never mind ... my bad ...

• Signed a five-year contract extension on 10/13/06 that will keep him with the Cardinals through 2011.

Posted by: dcsween | December 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I did not hear that question dealier, but they don't mic the press guys, and the only ones I can ever remotely hear is Lindsay Zarniac because she is the hottest women covering redskins park, and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong, and Jason LaCanforia because he either sits right in front of the Zorn's podium *cough* man crush *cough*, or he shouts all his questions.

Email the question to JaLaCa or someone and you may get a shot at getting a answer.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Alberth Haynesworth is A BUM.....He will be like Dan Wilkinson, once he gets paid!!!!

Posted by: gudguy72 | December 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't someone up here saying that Docket is a dirty player?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

No on Stompy Haynesworth. NO on Grampa Peppers.

YES on younger/cheaper.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

al, how goes everything for you? I hope well.

Portis I believe thought he was dirrrdy, and that was the game that Heyer jacked him up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Not so fun fact: in 1998, the 'skins gave up 62 sacks.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Woody, ya got that right. That's what they've been doing in Miamuh too and it's worked swimmingly. (huhu... phish... swim.. hehehe)

I don't know why coarches get so into their "system" that they can't appreciate what talent they have.

That's my problem w/ the coarching staff so far. It's small, but it's there...

Byron Leftwich anyone?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh - and I know I'm going to catch flak for this... but I really wish we had frosty back.

His hold would have put that missed FG against the Gints IN. Funny how no one's talking about the bad Plackemeier hold on that one...

I'll say it again, though. Frosty's downside on punting (amazingly echoed by everyone who's been here since...) was offset by his special teams play (extra tackler) and ball handling skills (threat to throw)

These other guys are punters, Frosty was a football player. I don't know why everyone was so down on him. Truly, I do not. He's no Roby. Big deal.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

4th, i haven't listened to any of the pressers or zorny shows. did anyone actually ask zorny why they were running shorter than first down routes? especially with santa and cooley and ARE?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Zorn referenced this on his weekly show with the sports reporters. He said at the beginning of the game he wasn't sure how the pass pro would hold up so he called for 5 step drops and quick throws hoping the WR would make a play. (As an aside this tatic didn't work in the first game as well). Later on in the game he called for longer plays and the lack of execution resulted in JC dumping the ball off underneath.

Posted by: TWISI | December 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Leftwich is Jason Campbell without the mobility. Maybe as a backup, but I'm biased because I'm always rooting for a local guy to do well on the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

His hold would have put that missed FG against the Gints IN. Funny how no one's talking about the bad Plackemeier hold on that one...

I'll say it again, though. Frosty's downside on punting (amazingly echoed by everyone who's been here since...) was offset by his special teams play (extra tackler) and ball handling skills (threat to throw)

These other guys are punters, Frosty was a football player. I don't know why everyone was so down on him. Truly, I do not. He's no Roby. Big deal.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 11:25 AM |

Zorn already said the hold was perfect, he just missed the kick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

How many NFL players are from this area anyway? We can just blow up the team and re-build with locals why not?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

My recollection from the Zorn presser or Sports Reporters interview was a direct answer to the two early short plays... on one, Zorn said that they hoped that the catcher would be able to run for the first, on the other, the player ran a three yard route instead of a six yard route.
Given that data, I would extrapolate that Mr. Thrash ran the route too short, and Mr. Cooley was unable to break free from Mr. Phillips.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

was offset by his special teams play (extra tackler) and ball handling skills (threat to throw)

These other guys are punters, Frosty was a football player. I don't know why everyone was so down on him. Truly, I do not. He's no Roby. Big deal.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 11:25 AM |

If he punted better he would not need to tackle.

He just got cut by GB he sucks get over it.

When did he ever throw a ball?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

+++ If we sign Haynesworth or Pepper OR BOTH? Ummm, zero chance of that. Probably won't sign either of them+++.


Posted by: TheTruth11

I agree. Skins won't (shouldn't) sign either. Hasn't anyone learend the dont-sign-the-big-FA lesson at Redskin Park?

Or history could repeat itself. Skins once signed two similar FA defensive line saviors, Big Daddy and Stumblefold. The only upside is someone took Big Daddy off the skins hands for a first rounder (or two?) and it led to the drafting of LeVar Arringt...Oh, nevermind, turns out it WAS a disaster.

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Not true Leftwitch does not have the same accent

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

thanks twisi!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

alex, i think i can play right tackle. where do we go to try out?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

daggar, what's up with "mr.s" infront of players' names?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

alex, i think jasno is too busy applying for the offensive coordinator position.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I was reading a bit of the Wall St. Journal this morning, and the affectation grows on you for a bit.

I'm looking for a way to work "Mr. Plaxico" into the conversation.

Posted by: daggar | December 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

anyone know anything about these two free agents?

Stacey Andrews, Browns O-lineman

Brandon McKinney, Ravens D-line. both are free agents and relatively young. Maybe one of you guys out there knows if they'd help our lines and I think they'd be a lot cheaper than Haynesworth etc..

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Aparently there are only 7 NFL players right now from the DC area, not quite enough for a team though it would not be a bad start to a roster if you wanted a runing team.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

How many NFL players are from this area anyway? We can just blow up the team and re-build with locals why not?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 3, 2008 11:30 AM

You'd be surprised: Leftwich, Josh Cribbs, Josh Wilson, Derrick Harvey, Eddie Royal, Julian Peterson, Shawne Merriman...just to name a few. Helluva squad, huh?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The only upside is someone took Big Daddy off the skins hands for a first rounder (or two?)

Posted by: TheCork | December 3, 2008 11:31 AM |

Wilkinson was cut -- we got nothing for him. We traded Sean Gilbert to Carolina for two first rounders. He played for them a few years, broke his hip, and that was it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Stacy Andrews #79 OT» Add Widget Birth Date June 2, 1981
Birth Place Camden, AR
Height 6-7
Weight 342 lbs.
Age 27
Position OT
Experience 5 years
College Mississippi

He is there starting right tackle he could be OK for us.

McKinney is only in his third year he will not be a FA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting. What if Brooks wins the job and does an excellent job there. How crappy does that make vinny and our sp teams coach look (Danny Smith)?

Posted by: Devo2 | December 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

All i know is that Brroks does end up doing well in Green Bay, JLC will be excoriating Vinnny every chance he gets for letting Brooks get away.

It will be shameless.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

All i know is that Brroks does end up doing well in Green Bay, JLC will be excoriating Vinnny every chance he gets for letting Brooks get away.

It will be shameless.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 3, 2008 11:57 AM

No one has mentioned this much but I think it may be time to give Danny Smith the boot. We haven't done much in special teams since he has been here.

Posted by: joeboggs | December 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what zorn said that hold was off. The snap was high and the lie was crooked.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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