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Bruce Allen on board; is Jon Gruden next?

The Redskins' announcement that Bruce Allen will be the club's new executive vice president of football operations and general manager -- an announcement made within two hours of Vinny Cerrato's resignation -- gives owner Daniel Snyder his first "general manager" since Charlie Casserly, who he inherited from previous ownership in 1999.

"Bruce Allen is the personification of an NFL winner," Snyder said in a statement released by the club. "Our fans know his heritage; we know his abilities. He is the right person to lead our club."

The Redskins pointed out in their statement that Allen's teams -- both in Oakland and Tampa Bay -- have won five division championships since 2000. But both Cerrato's resignation and Allen's hiring were done with the knowledge of only a few in the organization. Even in the moments after Allen was announced, members of the coaching staff said they had been "told nothing" and were unsure of what was next.

Allen, 53, lost his job as the general manager in Tampa Bay after the 2008 season, in which the Buccaneers collapsed to miss the playoffs; head coach Jon Gruden was dismissed then as well. But his track record is one of success; he won the George Young NFL Executive of the Year award in 2002 with the Raiders.

Allen will begin with the Redskins immediately. The club's statement said nothing about the future of head coach Jim Zorn, who is 12-17 in two seasons with the club.

"This is an extraordinary opportunity with one of the world's most successful sports franchises," said Allen, son of former Redskins coach George Allen. "I love everything about this assignment; I know what it means to be dedicated to the Redskins. I can't wait to get to work."

Allen's tight ties with Gruden -- who served as his coach in both Oakland and Tampa Bay -- will no doubt lead to speculation that Gruden could succeed Zorn after this season. Last month, though, Gruden signed a multi-year deal to remain as an analyst on ESPN's "Monday Night Football."

It's not clear what hurdles Gruden, who will be in the area this weekend ahead of the "Monday Night Football" game between the Giants and Redskins, would have to clear to get out of his ESPN contract and return to coaching. A network spokesman declined to comment on Gruden's contract terms.

"We expect to have Jon on 'Monday Night Football' for many years with the long-term commitment he has made to ESPN," spokesman Bill Hofheimer said.

From 2004-2008, Allen served as general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which included their 2005 and 2007 AFC South championships. Allen joined the management team of the Oakland Raiders in 1995, where, during nine seasons, he was part of three AFC West championships, two appearances in the AFC Championship game and a berth in Super Bowl XXXVII.

He was drafted by the Baltimore Colts as a 12th-round selection in 1978 out of the University of Richmond. He played for the University from 1974-77, earning All-ECAC and All-South Independent honors in his junior season, when he ranked 16th in the nation and broke a school punting record with a 42.9-yard average.

There is no word yet when -- or if -- Snyder and Allen would address the media today. Cerrato, reached by text message, did not comment on his resignation.

A DC Sports Bog retrospective

Dan Steinberg looks at the Vinny Cerrato era.

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Comments

I just woke up. It's a glorious day.

Posted by: saltine182 | December 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The next three games just got a healthy jolt of juice....wow....canning vinny with games on the table was a very wise move.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

What if we did this now to let Allen get a good look at our team for 3 games and decide what he likes and what he doesn't like? Maybe hell actually decide to keep JC and JZ...

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Stunning and exciting. Hope this leads the team back to respectability.

Posted by: visionof75 | December 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

If this ends up as Allen/Gruden, I'd be thrilled. Chuckie on the sidelines...dig it!

If it ends up Allen/Shanahan, all bets are off. I'm hoping that early rumors about Shanahan aiming for a GM gig are true.

Posted by: messykat | December 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

As I said last post, EVERYONE is now playing for their jobs.

This is a GOOD thing!

Posted by: charley42 | December 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

JC YES...JZ NO!

He is a WCO guy, should keep Sherm Lewis...there is continuity...

Also Gruden loves two TE sets.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid that this hiring is a 'Bring BAck The Glory Years' deal....AGAIN..

(Please prove me wrong)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS AWESOME!!!

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about Gruden or anyone else today. I'm going to bask in the idea that a football is in control of the skins for the first time since the Clinton Presidency.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I love this. I'm so happy today. I can appreciate some people's comments about the outright racist GEORGE Allen, but let's judge Bruce on what Bruce does. It's not necessarily irrelevant to bring it up, but it's not exactly fair to treat them like they're the same.

I can't wait to see what Allen does. A few people are dissing on Allen and Gruden for how things ended in Tampa Bay but honestly who was their talent on offense and how much was that owner willing to spend to get it?

Seems to me, Gruden got a lot out of the talent at both stops. When he had playmakers on offense, he had a great offense and almost took them to the show (Oakland); then his talent was flipped around to the defense and he won the whole thing against the team he built to run his system.

That tells me that when he has talent, he knows how to play to his team's strengths. That's pretty much the most important thing in a coach. Bring on Gruden and lets see if these guys can do it again.

Posted by: manifested | December 17, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: manifested | December 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Gruden wouldn't have signed a long-term contract with ESPN without some kind of "out" clause, would he? I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult for him to leave ESPN for a head coaching gig in the NFL.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | December 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

if we win out scoring 30 pts a game, does zorn/jc keep their jobs?

Posted by: follybeach | December 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

4th....I dont see that...BUTT DC/Skins are a unique deal....the person MUST have a sense of that and experience it. So I think Allen's connection to area is net positive....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

First of all a melancholy shout out to Chris Henry. So sad to see those who were making bad decisions then turn their lives around only to have it end so tragic. Chris Henry's and Sean Taylor's deaths are two of the most flukiest I've ever heard in my life. I can't think of two more young brothers the saying "I don't look for trouble, it seems to find me" applies to more than those two. RIP Chris Henry...

Damn...


On another more positive note, so Vinny Cerrato has excused himself over in Ashburn, huh? Well that sounds good and all, and I'm not to sold on Bruce Allen. Who did he draft? Why did his teams in Tampa suck so bad toward the latter of his time there? Still too many questions about him to get overly excited about his hire, IMO.

But that don't mean I can't cream my khakis, change, and then jizz my jeans over the departure of Vincent Cerrato though!!! It was time for him to resign/get fired a few years back. I will not miss him running the team. I really think he had more influence over Snyder and personnel decisions than what most of us would like to think. So with Vinny gone, will the Redskins start to make more logical personnel decisions? We'll see, if not then we'll know who the true culprit is.

And as far as Bruce Allen being blood brothers with that jackass d-bag George Allen, for those who can't understand why Bruce would be associated with George's views, let me ask you this:

What were your thoughts on Marcus Vick before he began to have his issues with the law?

I don't remember too many people being high on him, they quickly labeled him a thug, not a real QB, character risk -- the same labels they attached to Vick they attached to him.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

mattylight

"Here's some names: Steve Keim, Arizona Cardinals, Eric DeCosta, Baltimore Ravens, Terry McDonough, Jacksonville Jaguars and Will Lewis, Seattle Seahawks."


Interviewing any of these guys seems like a logical thing to me.

But what do I know.

I just pound de drum and blog all day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Should read football PERSON.


Also Gruden loves two TE sets.....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Good point CL.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Is it crazy to consider keeping Sherm Lewis on board? The playcalling has been nice over the past 4 weeks. The protection has been better too, but they're keeping defenses off-balance.

Posted by: saltine182 | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

WOOOOO-HOOOOO!!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

How is this a "bring back the glory years" deal, 4th? Which of the Redskins' glory years involved Bruce Allen?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

4th,

It's a concern if it's someone who isn't a known commodity. Given his experience I can only see it as a positive. The biggest reason for me being that given the mess this organization is in, it's the only other reason to come other than money.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The next three games just got a healthy jolt of juice....wow....canning vinny with games on the table was a very wise move.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I was calling for this after game 4 hoping it would happen at the bye week, get rid of Vinny, bring in the new personnel guy and put everyone on notice there's a new sheriff in town and everyone is playing for their jobs. It took Dan a little longer than that but hey, I give him credit, he did it. I still maintain Danny could be one of the best owners in the league, if he focuses on the business of the Redskins and allows football people to run the football side while remaining willing to spend on players, he could be the best owner in the league. Maybe it took 10 years of failure for him to figure this out, if so and if he has learned and we start winning, I for one will be quick to forgive him and today is a great start.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Now, my "WOOOO-HOOOOO!!" will be replaced by "Whateves" if that dan snyder fella is still involved with the talent evaluation process in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Was Sherm Lewis the offensive coordinator in Green Bay while Gruden was there? Anybody know?

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The CBS opinion guy is a dolt.

Hiring Bruce Allen is EXCELLENT for the Skins.

Bruce Allen has the reputation and moxy to take the reins of the organization and not get pushed around by Dan Snyder.

The problem with hiring a first-time GM is the same problem we've seen with hiring a first-time coach.

They don't yet have the credibility and reputation to prevent from getting neutered by a meddling owner.

If we were to hire a first-time GM, I imagine a Cleveland Browns/George Kokinis situation developing.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

p1,

Not trying to be argumentative, and let's all agree that the fact that Vinny is not around is our main cause for joy today.

Having said that, I don't see what the rush was to bring in someone else. We could have vetted plenty of qualified guys, like DeCosta at Baltimore, and hired a good GM. Now, Allen might be that, and OK maybe he can stand up to Snyder, but that's not all he needs to do. He also needs to built a quality roster. Looks like he had some good drafts in Oakland, but his selections in TB were awful. So from that perspective, I think the jury is still out on him...

Also, the Kokinis thing is a completely different situation. He never had any say in that job, Mangini did...

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Love to be a fly on the wall for the Gruden- Zorn MNF production meeting for the Gints game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If its Gruden...I think odds are big Sherm Lewis stays....even if its not gruden I think odds Sherm L stays are 50/50....

wouldnt even be shocked if he gets HC consideration.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Why would they hire this conservative homo who is the brother of that racist George Allen? I already miss Cerrato.

Posted by: 9zero | December 17, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

**********************************
Not to fan the troll flames, but this is my favorite post thus far today - use of one slur to complain about another. Bravo.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 17, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I had heard from a pretty good source inside the building that Cerrato might be out as soon as right after The Eagles game, so when it didn't happen, I figured the worst and didn't say anything.

Wow, what a development. The winds of change are a blowin'. I really hope they make a careful decision on the new coach and not just go hire a rock star.

Does this mean the WCO is here to stay?

Posted by: edvar | December 17, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

My only problem with it is that it is coming so quick. Why not take a couple weeks first to interview other potential GM candidates, like Holmgren, etc.

Posted by: DCUMD | December 17, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse
This all didn't just happen. I'm sure Snyder has been working on this for several weeks. I think we will find out that BA just agreed to a contract last night or early this morning. Then DS has VC resign. VC could well have another job within the radio network or some other job with one of Snyder's companies.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 17, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Matty,

Who knows who he's interviewed. He's clearly interviewed at least two minority candidates in order to comply with the Rooney Rule. Also take in to account that maybe quite a few of those guys don't want the gig.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor, I agree about the "Glory Years" Snyder syndrome..

The Skins should of interviewed more GM candidates..but Snyder will not check his Ego for anyone else working for the Skins unless its someone with DNA from his Redskins childhood memories... ala Gibbs and now George Allen's progeny, Bruce Allen..

weird but true..
As an ex-Redskins player (HOF'r) once told me in a bar,
its the Golden Rule... He who has the Gold makes the Rules..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I love that the person is in place now so they can start immediately and the players/coaches/scouts are all on notice. This gives Allen some game film to strt seeing stuff...it won't all be projection.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Keep BLACHE....

Posted by: saltine182 | December 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I could care less what kind of offense they run, west coast, east coast, japanese, brazilian, I don't care...just have an offense that puts up tons of points, and other teams struggle to defend...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Guys, when judging a GM, it's about more than draft choices. For example, a good GM would not have allowed "fair catch" ARE to give the Skins the last-ranked return game week after week after week. He would have told the HC to fix it.

A good GM would not have watched the OL fail week after week without at least trying something. It looks better now, but it didn't have to take that long.

A good GM would have been panicked way back when the Skins barely eked out a victory (with no TDs) against the lowly Rams at home.

And most of all, a good GM would not have suffered through a year and a half of abysmal playcalling before finally reacting. We'd be in the thick of the NFC East right now if we had had any offense at all the first half of the season.

Posted by: messykat | December 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Mattylight, Obviously i have no idea who Snyder interviewed, but it was at least one other guy to comply with the Rooney rule.

My point: Snyder has been working this for a while, and didn't fire Cerrato and then go get the first guy he spoke with after he axed vinny.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Come on Red, Marcus may have caught a few breaks being the brother of Micheal Vick, but he earned his bad rep all on his own.

That said, I dislike Bruce Allen's brother as much as you do and it bugs me to think of all the cut away TV shots we'll be seeing of that grinning jackass sitting in the box. Hopefully they are different dudes. One went into football, the other race baiting politics.

Posted by: mack1 | December 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

How is this a "bring back the glory years" deal, 4th? Which of the Redskins' glory years involved Bruce Allen?

Posted by: NateinthePDX

My two pennies:


They can't exactly ask his dad to coach, can't they?

His racist brother is in politics.

They tried the Gibbs experiment, that didn't work so well.

The next best thing is Bruce Allen. Son of former Redskin HC, George Allen.

I hear exactly where 4th is coming from on this.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I have actually been impressed by the use of tackle eligible in the Japanese-Brazilion offense...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe

"Love to be a fly on the wall for the Gruden- Zorn MNF production meeting for the Gints game."

Today's best insight.

The ratings for this game will be up there.

The team should play like it's a playoff game and shrink the giants.

And then later, the cowboys and their booty-kissing fans at the NFL Network and NBC/ESPN come to town....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

My point: Snyder has been working this for a while, and didn't fire Cerrato and then go get the first guy he spoke with after he axed vinny.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

You might be right, and I'm sure we'll find out more details, but to that statement, you know this how?

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has interviewed BA on and off for the last year... I honestly think the Marty Shottenheimer disclosure (see below) from 4 days ago, was the final nail for Vinny. The timing is not coincidental.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++


My only problem with it is that it is coming so quick. Why not take a couple weeks first to interview other potential GM candidates, like Holmgren, etc.

Posted by: DCUMD | December 17, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse
This all didn't just happen. I'm sure Snyder has been working on this for several weeks. I think we will find out that BA just agreed to a contract last night or early this morning. Then DS has VC resign. VC could well have another job within the radio network or some other job with one of Snyder's companies.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 17, 2009 11:04 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Schottenheimer, on Sirius NFL Radio......
........."I don't particularly respect the guy. He and I had our issues when we were there. Basically what he said was, 'Marty, Dan may be listening to you during the preseason,' he says. 'But wait until I get up in the owner's box during the regular season, and then we'll see who Dan listens to.'

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I love that the person is in place now so they can start immediately and the players/coaches/scouts are all on notice. This gives Allen some game film to strt seeing stuff...it won't all be projection.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yeah it's important because it seems like some things are clicking. Having a guy in their now who can take a look and see what is working and what isn't for 4 weeks is a huge advantage.

He can see with his own eyes who's scheming the offense.

How much input JZ has in play calling.

What Jerry Gray's true role is.

Who gets along with whom.


All that is important to know going forward.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

They could have hired my niece today and I'd be sky high...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a good way to let us fans know that Dan Snyder means serious business when it comes to winning. Im glad Ceratto is gone. I do hope Gruden is on his way he demands maximun effort and is hard-nosed enough to hang with the toughness of the NFC East. I like Jim Zorn but he is a little to passive and soft-spoken we need a general to lead us into battle not a yeoman. I think Campbell stays because Chuckie said that wherever he goes he wants the QB posistion solidified so if Chuckie comes Campbell stays and if Portis stays may-be he finally practices after gruden tells him practice or dont play just the type of leader we need no nonsense with a killer instinct i love lets go Gruden

RIP#21 4Ever

Posted by: cpt55back | December 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

ART SHELL!!


huhuhuhuhuhuhuh

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The photo above the headline pretty much seems to say it all -- I wonder if that was on purpose?

Posted by: teamn | December 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

now time for a new stadium ...

Posted by: mkrumm03 | December 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How is this a "bring back the glory years" deal, 4th? Which of the Redskins' glory years involved Bruce Allen?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2009 11:00 AM

The 70s when he was a ball boy.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Allen's time in Tampa was marred by the fact that the team traded away 2 first round draft picks and 2 second round draft picks in order to get Gruden. That's a significant blow to team's continuity, and it's a large reason why Allen had to resort to so many older veterans being signed via FA.

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if JZ openly takes back over play calling?

Wonder if he does, the play calling regresses?

This is gonna be great to watch over the next couple months.

The offseason is already here and its not even the offseason yet!!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

rbpalmer:
I don't want to go too hard on your man, and think it's great you're sticking up for him. But he hasn't broken a story all season, and Shefter and everyone else was way out in front on the Allen hire, Sherm Lewis and everyone else. I like JReid, but calling it for what it is.
Posted by: skinsmc | December 17, 2009 10:50 AM

Yeah, if only you had known about the Allen hire 10 minutes sooner…..what a different world it would be.

And for any of you stat geeks pining for a coach with a Super Bowl on his resume, can you name a single coach with a Super Bowl win, that went on to coach a different team to win a Super Bowl? Hint: NO, you can’t. Bring in Russ Grimm!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

OK, now I hope we lose out and get a better draft pick.

Go New York Charboys!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

They could have hired my niece today and I'd be sky high...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse


Totally agree.

Posted by: manifested | December 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe

"Love to be a fly on the wall for the Gruden- Zorn MNF production meeting for the Gints game."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Gruden:..
So Jim, please clarify to me that you have never been an Offensive Coordinator or a Head Coach, yet you can override Sherm Lewis, up in the booth, on 4th Down and in the Red Zone?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

cl, what kind of offense would she install....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

etrod- Did you get my FB message about Kost and Dallas game? Or are you doing the Gints game Monday night?
Just trying to put some things together...

Posted by: 4-12 | December 17, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, Red, and I understand where your fellow bama was coming from with that "glory years" thing.

To this I say, so what? It's the middle of December, and we've significantly improved our team's front office. Regardless of the new guy's last name, this change bodes well for the team's future.

The particular nit I was going to pick with 4th, by the way, was that the glory years begin and end with Gibbs 1.0. Lombardi's one season gave the team legitimacy, and Allen père established a winning culture. But there were no trophies, and therefore no "glory," until Gibbs. Just sayin' is all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

a GM with balls bigger than his eyes

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

True mack, most of what Marcus Vick did was self-inflicted, but people were still ready to give him the same labels as Vick.

Especially being from Virginia, you must understand that I hate George Allen with a undying passion.

F George Allen!


But this is about Bruce Allen, the new 'Skins GM, and you can officially put me in the crowd that isn't gushing over his hiring.

Again, who did he draft? Why did his last few years in Tampa didn't go so well?

I can understand the jubilation over his hiring, it signals the ending of Cerrato's stay here in D.C.

I just think at this point the fans would except ANYBODY not named Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

My niece would run the split back Jonas Brothers Olney Offense.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to be argumentative, and let's all agree that the fact that Vinny is not around is our main cause for joy today.

Having said that, I don't see what the rush was to bring in someone else. We could have vetted plenty of qualified guys, like DeCosta at Baltimore, and hired a good GM. Now, Allen might be that, and OK maybe he can stand up to Snyder, but that's not all he needs to do. He also needs to built a quality roster. Looks like he had some good drafts in Oakland, but his selections in TB were awful. So from that perspective, I think the jury is still out on him...

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

There was media speculation that Allen was a candidate for GM-level jobs in Buffalo and Oakland. I don't know how accurate that was, but it would explain the timing of this move. I'm also reading reports on Matt Mosley's NFC East ESPN blog and elsewhere that Allen is well thought of by scouts and others around the league and is a major upgrade over VC.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhh. Zorn is a GM killah!!

Ummm wait, correct that..
"Zorn is an Executive, Executive Vice President of Personnel Killah!!"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

hopefully the coly mccoy scout was a test,

danny - 'I like this kid a lot'
vinny - 'yeah me too, danny, your right'
danny - '~your f'in fired, this kid looks like shuler~'

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Must...tear....myself...away...from RI...and do....work...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Allen's time in Tampa was marred by the fact that the team traded away 2 first round draft picks and 2 second round draft picks in order to get Gruden. That's a significant blow to team's continuity, and it's a large reason why Allen had to resort to so many older veterans being signed via FA.

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty excited about this. A GM is responsible for getting new free agents and drafting the right players as well as making all the other personnel moves. I believe Allen can do that. I'm not too worried about his draft record since a lot of that has to do with your scouting. If he has drafted the right positions and drafted the players he was told are the best availbale for that position then in my mind he's great. Gruden once again, I'm not too humg up on his record. I'm more concerned with how he utilized the talent he was given. We know Gruden can manage a game and motivate players. I wouldn't mind seeing him here but Sherm Lewis needs to stay and be the offensive coordinator. Sherm Smith should stay too. I want Gruden in Zorn's role and everything else left intact. I doubt that will happen though. Most coaches with a track record want a ton of power and that to me is a terrible idea.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhh. Zorn is a GM killah!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM

Here's another dude who has to change his screen name.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"a football is in control..."

Geez Gweez I hope it doesn't fumble itself

Posted by: ElYeah | December 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

...Allen is well thought of by scouts and others around the league and is a major upgrade over VC.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

and is a major upgrade over VC.
and is a major upgrade over VC.
and is a major upgrade over VC.
and is a major upgrade over VC.

Thank you rbpalmer, i just wanted to drive that nail home.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Again, who did he draft? Why did his last few years in Tampa didn't go so well?

I can understand the jubilation over his hiring, it signals the ending of Cerrato's stay here in D.C.

I just think at this point the fans would except ANYBODY not named Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV

no QB in TB, that's why

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I can not believe some of you guys. We all btch about Vinney and the need for him to go. Now that he is gone some of you are btching about the new guy. Damn stop being so negative for one day.

Posted by: jm220 | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM

Here's another dude who has to change his screen name.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse


Might I suggest "SkinshaveaGM"?

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Its when a change like this happens that you find out who in the blog world are the real haters.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Doc Walker is on 980 saying he thinks there was an argument between Vinny and Dan.

Make of this what you will but a friend of mine works catering at the stadium and was working the owners box at the last home game and when he was taking coffee up to the owners suite he saw Snyder and Vinny screaming at each other outside in the hallway, perhaps it was a sign things were deteriorating between them. In any event, I'm stoked that Vinny is gone, it was the only hope of a chance of a turnaround the organization has.

Posted by: forever8-8 | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Snyder's bottomless wallet, in an uncapped 2010, is a HUGE incentive for available or soon to be available, GMs and Head Coaches. As such, Bruce Allen (and possibly Gruden, too) may of been an easy "sales job" for Snyder.
Plus, there has never been a Cap on GM and Coaching salaries.
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rbpalmer wrote:
There was media speculation that Allen was a candidate for GM-level jobs in Buffalo and Oakland. I don't know how accurate that was, but it would explain the timing of this move. I'm also reading reports on Matt Mosley's NFC East ESPN blog and elsewhere that Allen is well thought of by scouts and others around the league and is a major upgrade over VC.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 17, 2009 11:23 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If he can work with Majority Shareholder, Al Davis, he can work with The Owner, Al Davis, Jr.

Now the team should just win out and the team should figure out its free agent and draft strategies.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

R.I.P Chris Henry.

Looked like he was starting to get things turned around with his life and now it's over. Sad to think about it.

Posted by: edvar | December 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

etrod, check your email (or FB) or whatever

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

JM220 - This is RI....NEgative slants is how this thing breathes.....

Call me...On Da Fence...(My soon to be new screen name)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Go check: none of this news is posted on the team website.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Someone said it earlier that the excitement is more about VC gone than the actual Allen hiring. I hope he's the guy because his drafts in Tampa were shaky at best.

I want no part of Gruden. The constant QB shuffling in Tampa was ridiculous.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Great news! A new day in Redskins Land!

Three games for Allen to see what the Skins have in hand, nice timing.

Hail to Danny today.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

And for any of you stat geeks pining for a coach with a Super Bowl on his resume, can you name a single coach with a Super Bowl win, that went on to coach a different team to win a Super Bowl? Hint: NO, you can’t. Bring in Russ Grimm!!!


Posted by: dlhaze1


I can name two off top, but I know one of them for sure isn't coming back:

Tony Dungy
Mike Ditka

Or do you mean won a super bowl as a head coach then won another one with another team? If so, they're aren't any that have done it as strictly the HC. But there is a boatload that have done it as assistants first then went on to do it as head coaches.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Again, who did he draft? Why did his last few years in Tampa didn't go so well?

...

I just think at this point the fans would except ANYBODY not named Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV

1. In Marocco Brown I trust.

2. I understand that the Nobel Committee is considering Bruce Allen for next year's Peace Prize.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I realize I am probably alone in this...but I thank Vinny Cerrato for his years of service to this team, and for helping build the foundation for the future success of the Redskins. The 2008 class especially.

I also believe Bruce Allen is the perfect man to replace Cerrato and think the future is very bright for this organization.

All Hail Dan Snyder

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Call me...On Da Fence...(My soon to be new screen name)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM

From 4th Floor to On Da Fence? Does this represent a promotion?

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Go check: none of this news is posted on the team website.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM

All the website people are busy getting fired.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

hopefully the coly mccoy scout was a test,

danny - 'I like this kid a lot'
vinny - 'yeah me too, danny, your right'
danny - '~your f'in fired, this kid looks like shuler~'

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM
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I could visualize that, but I suspect the crack widened in the dike long before that like when Vinny said he gave Zorn a "playoff caliber" roster.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of all the rest. The skins got better today. I for one am really happy.

Skinz

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

LOL @barno

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I can not believe some of you guys. We all btch about Vinney and the need for him to go. Now that he is gone some of you are btching about the new guy. Damn stop being so negative for one day.

Posted by: jm220 | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Its when a change like this happens that you find out who in the blog world are the real haters.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Guys, no one is saying Vinny should have stayed. Some are debating if hiring Allen was the right move. It's not "hating," alex, the guy got fired in Tampa Bay, and had some iffy drafts there. He might end up being the right hire. But I think it's legit to say his last stop as GM in Tampa is cause for mild concern.

Posted by: mattylight | December 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

arguement:

danny - this is your fault

vinny - no it's campbell's, portis', randle el's, rodgers', landry's, thomas', davis', kelly's, don;t you read the RI blog?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

4th, fence, it matters not, a bama is a bama.....you, you're a bama....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:35 AM |

Well looks who's back and farting roses...

Posted by: edvar | December 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hate to rain on your parade but it's a little premature to celebrate the arrival of Bruce Allen. This is a man who held the title of senior assistant for Al Davis' Oakland Raiders after all.

Then he went to Tampa where he was seen as Gruden's lap-dog. Something tells me this man is not going to "control" the Washington Redskins whether he has the title of General Manager or not.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"...the crack widened in the dike..."

A lot of potential jokes embedded in that phrase.

But on our day off joy, I'll lay off.

The dike, I mean.

But not the crack.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Call me...On Da Fence...(My soon to be new screen name)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:32 AM

From 4th Floor to On Da Fence? Does this represent a promotion?

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:36 AM

I just hope he took the elevator, and not the window.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 17, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Again, who did he draft?"

His drafts weren't anything to write home about. His best draft was in 2005, when he got Cadillac Williams, Barret Ruud, and Alex Smith (TE) with his first 3 picks.

Not exactly stellar.

But, the Redskins do have damn good scouting department. If Snyder were smart, he'd seriously evaluate how important these guys were to our recent drafts, and recommend them to Allen accordingly.

One thing about Allen is that he's VERY good at knowing who fits a system well. In Oakland, he brought in a lot of aging veterans that nobody wanted, yet they excelled under their system (Gannon, Rice, Romanowski, Eric Allen, Charlie Garner, etc.)

He did something similar in Tampa (Galloway, Garcia, Pittman).

It's his vision that I like more than anything. He may not be the greatest scout, but he knows how to build a team, not just talent.

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

yeah.. i'm scre-wed...I now need a new screen name..
Never thought Snydee would hire a real GM.

Here's a new Screen Name idea..
"RunAwayBruceRunAway"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:24 AM

Here's another dude who has to change his screen name.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse


Might I suggest "SkinshaveaGM"?

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2009 11:29 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I thank Vinny Cerrato for his years of service ...

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:35 AM

Service? Uh, this was his job and since he controlled the payroll he was probably the most overpaid guy out there. "Service" is a term we use for volunteers, "underpaid" gov't empoyees, teachers, and others working in the public interest. It does not apply to failed GM guys.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

First and Foremost shout out to Chrislarry; how's baby girl doing hope all is well with the young lady and the wife, now let's get down to the news of the day early xmas gift for all of us yeah i knew his brother was the knucklehead who blew his chance at the senate seat with that bigoted remark during the Va.campaign that being said i'm sure that's going to come up at some point during Bruce's tenure here so he better be prepared,i'm not sure Gruden's comming but let's remember he won the S.B. with Tony Dungy's team,will they keep Jason and Sherm? i don't see Zorn staying on in any capacity since the "Bingo" man replaced him as the playcaller,well we all got what we've been wishing for unbelievable! Merry Christmas to all!!!

Posted by: dargregmag | December 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Though BArno gets knocked for bringing in normalcy into a blog...he is right...

The 2008 draft will be here for a long time...Those 2004-2007 years where people came in (under the watchful eye of Gibbs 2.0), Not so much....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh please shut the f up with all the "I can't believe people are dissing the new guy" crap.

No one is dissing Bruce Allen. I'm sure most are elated that Cerrato is gone, I'm one of them.

Excuse the f out of me, for holding judgement on Bruce Allen. Excuse the f out of me for not automatically crowing the guy 2010 GM of the Year just yet.

Is he better than Vinny? I mean, it's not that hard to be better than Vinny, is it?

Is it wrong to question some things about his tenors as the GM of a team?

Please give me a f___ing break with "Don't talk about the new shiny GM" bull__it!

Sorry for not being so ecstatic over the firing of Vinny Cerrato that I'll just accept anyone who will be assuming his responsibilities at Redskins Park.

That's all it is. Doesn't mean that I'm hating on Bruce Allen at all.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

even if Allen is unsuccessful at least he IS a'football guy' and Cerrato was NOT

either we get better or we've startedt he process of elimination.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This is only a rumor but a friend of mine knows one of the assistant coaches very well and is being told that Zorn has been fired. Again no idea if this is true but that's the rumor.

Posted by: nycskinsfan | December 17, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks dargregman...everyone's fine...big shout outs to scamp and 4th who even more recently added to the world pop!

I got nothing but rainbows and unicorns today....love it. Happy holidays RI Nation!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What a glorious day. Now, I know everyone's thinking Gruden and can't say that would be a bad thing, but I think we need to consider Russ Grimm.

Posted by: notocutler | December 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Skin Shave a GM?! ew...!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Allen hired to replace Cerrato as Redskins GM
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
12/17/09 10:20 AM EST


The Redskins hired Bruce Allen as their new executive vice president and general manager, replacing Vinny Cerrato. Allen has served in a similar role in Oakland and Tampa Bay and is the son of legendary Redskins coach George Allen.
According to numerous NFL sources, Allen is not considered a strong personnel guy, but rather an excellent administrator -- one who can get along with everybody.
"He'll be great with Dan Snyder as far as dealing with him," one NFL source said.
But he was not responsible for making personnel decisions in Oakland, where Al Davis did that and Jon Gruden had that power in Tampa Bay.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"The skins have a General Manager now." Just trying that on, feels pretty good.

A below average GM is an upgrade over what we had, so if Allen does an average job we win. I happen to think he'll do better than average. I personally think failure is a requirement for growth, so long as lessons are learned.

That's why I'm more than happy to give Allen a chance, given his TB ending, and why Zorn deserves another chance as well.

Regardless, the rest of this just got extremely interesting.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

On another more positive note, so Vinny Cerrato has excused himself over in Ashburn, huh? Well that sounds good and all, and I'm not to sold on Bruce Allen. Who did he draft? Why did his teams in Tampa suck so bad toward the latter of his time there? Still too many questions about him to get overly excited about his hire, IMO.

Posted by RedDMV

Part of the problem could have been that the owner in Tamp is notoriously cheap. Always WAY under the cap. No such problem here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Bruce knows everybody," one NFL GM said. "He doesn't make enemies. He's an administrative guy. Really, he's a politician. He's connected and he has a good infrastructure with agents. He knows the cap and can deal with head coaches. He knows who to listen to and he defers and doesn't try to make decisions out of his box."
One source said his biggest challenge will be limiting Snyder's role in the draft, something Cerrato could not do. One complaint scouts have had in the past is that their work sometimes went for naught during the draft because of last-minute changes in opinion from others in the organization, like Snyder.
"Nobody could control Snyder in that process; that's what you have to do," the source said. "Maybe Bruce can do that."

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow, only in my sick twisted universe does a tenure = a tenor.

Great!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has you Redskins Fans right where he wants you.....

Snyder is back in your good graces....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Allen's time in Tampa was marred by the fact that the team traded away 2 first round draft picks and 2 second round draft picks in order to get Gruden. That's a significant blow to team's continuity, and it's a large reason why Allen had to resort to so many older veterans being signed via FA.

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse
Great point, psps. I had totally forgotten that. That would seriously hamper development of the Bucs. We are lacking a 3rd in the upcoming draft, but we have JJ to show for it. I'm happy there. Are we still missing a later pick from trading for Jason Taylor? But 2 firsts and 2 seconds...Wow!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Bruce Allen is a world class Handball player.

Posted by: garyolney | December 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I love politics, loathe it on RI. But will say this...I am thankful for G Allen Jrs macacca moment b/c he played his cards in public, lost the seat which meant that VA/The Nation ended up with Jim Webb who is a bad azz and my second fave senator....next to my dawg bernie sanders of course...

Ok poltics ovah for me....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Bruce Allen is a world class Handball player.

Posted by: garyolney | December 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I realize I am probably alone in this...but I thank Vinny Cerrato for his years of service to this team, and for helping build the foundation for the future success of the Redskins. The 2008 class especially.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:35 AM
-------------------------
You are so right. You are alone in your opinion on Vinny. Vinny did a few good things and a lot of bad ones. Not addressing the offensive line before this season was unforgiveable. The overall body of his work was terrible, and thus I say, "Adios Vinny. Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Is the Kindergarden Ninja still part of the organization - still dir. of personnel? Haven't heard anything about him being GONE - just no longer GM.

. . . I'm just going take a moment and enjoy this feeling of optimism . . . that was nice.

I just hope Snyder (thank you) will defer to Allen.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 17, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

allen

executive of the year '02

upon hiring in tampa immediately released fan favorites jon lynch and warren sapp

went 4-12, then 9-7, then won the division

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Rooney Rule applied to GM's as well.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Or do you mean won a super bowl as a head coach then won another one with another team?

Exactly what I meant, Red.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Redskins won't say what they did to comply with Rooney Rule
Posted by Mike Florio on December 17, 2009 11:38 AM ET
We taped earlier this morning a PFT Daily segment that sets forth our concerns regarding whether the Redskins violated the spirit of the Rooney Rule by announcing the resignation of Vinny Cerrato and the hiring of Bruce Allen barely an hour apart.

But compliance with the spirit of the Rooney Rule and compliance with the letter of it are two different things.

The official word from the league and the Redskins is that the team respected the requirement that at least one minority candidate be interviewed for the G.M. position.

Initially, we contacted NFL spokesman Greg Aiello for more information. He directed us to the Redskins for an answer. (In the interim, we were told that the Redskins had complied with the Rooney Rule, but our source did not identify the minority candidate(s) who interviewed for the job.)

Contacted by e-mail, Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno advises that the team "over-complied" with the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

But, still, no one will tell us the name(s) of the candidate(s) who interviewed.

"It would not be fair to the other candidates to disclose their names," Bolno said.

Fine, but it's not fair to the process to suddenly swap out General Managers without any potentially interested and qualified candidates even knowing that the job might be available.

We'll have a lot more to say on this one, because there's something about it that doesn't pass the smell test -- and I've confirmed that it's not because I forgot to apply deodorant. Again.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I cant believe Snyder would flush 6 million (Zorn's severance) down the toilet and fire Zorn with only 3 games left. Maybe Zorn resigned but, not fired. ?? Although, Sherm Lewis could step in immediately....

More believable, Holmgren is announced as the Head Coach in Cleveland (Mangini fired) and Zorn quits to be his new QB coach as he was in Seattle.
===================================
nycskinsfan wrote:
This is only a rumor but a friend of mine knows one of the assistant coaches very well and is being told that Zorn has been fired. Again no idea if this is true but that's the rumor.

Posted by: nycskinsfan | December 17, 2009 11:42 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It stretches the imagination that Gruden wouldn't have an out in his ESPN contract.

Posted by: Carlpaguy | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Oh and F Danny, but great news for us with Brucy. Danny is still a toolbag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Must...tear....myself...away...from RI...and do....work...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
f work. What could be more fun than this.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 17, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Great getting Bruce Allen.. not sure itb that's mean Gruden too.. but either way he has to clean house.. Fire Zorn and get rid of Campbell and Portis. Skins need to start fresh on offense and that means a new coach and a new QB to run his new system. Might make next season a building year.. but at least they will be finally building.. Hope they keep Colt though and let's see how he looks playing healthy.

Posted by: sovine08 | December 17, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

even if Allen is unsuccessful at least he IS a'football guy' and Cerrato was NOT

either we get better or we've startedt he process of elimination.

Posted by: pabrian2003

Huh? If a "Football Guy" isn't successful and gets fired for a 3rd time, does it really make him a football guy?

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

WHAT A DAY!!!! HOPE THEY HIRE JON GRUDEN TOO... WE GO FROM SNYDER, CERRATO GM/COACH COMBINATION, TO ALLEN/GRUDEN... ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW IS 2003 SUPERBOWL WAS TAMPA AGAINST THE RAIDERS, BOTH GUYS WERE IN THE SUPERBOWL...

Posted by: BarackObama | December 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey scamp...hadnt crossed paths with you for awhile...as we are both less frequent...but waned to say big ups on the whole daddy-deal. Best thing I have ever produced, and I bet u as well...so congrats...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Extremely happy that Vinny is gone, I like the new hire. Hopefully Snyder will lay off and let Allen do his job.

I also like that it means that Gruden is possibly coming here. Out of all the name coaches on the market, he's the youngest. Couldn't see Holmgren, Cower or Shannahan being long term solutions. And this team needs stability moving forward.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Though BArno gets knocked for bringing in normalcy into a blog...he is right...

The 2008 draft will be here for a long time...Those 2004-2007 years where people came in (under the watchful eye of Gibbs 2.0), Not so much....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th. As for the rest of you, don't get me wrong...I like the move and am very happy with the Bruce Allen hire. I just feel that the 2008 and 2009 classes, along with some other key guys Cerrato helped bring in, are the foundation of our future--and while Cerrato certainly had his fair share of bad moves, let's not pretend he didn't make some very good ones as well. Guy clearly had an eye for talent--that's not really even debatable at this point (especially when you consider his success in SF during the 90s). But I don't think he was ready for all the responsibilities that go into being a GM, like salary cap management and identifying areas of need.

And obviously ALL HAIL DAN SNYDER was a joke. No one watches the simpsons around here anymore?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Rooney Rule applied to GM's as well.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It does, they had to interview at least 2 minority candidates.

Tom Boswell said that last Sunday Vinny was up in the Press Box talking to all the media guys. Something he never does.

Chances are Vinny knew and this was in the works for some time.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Does the hypnotoad still have a radio show?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 17, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder walked down the hall to Sherm Lewis' and Sherm Smith's offices and said, "anybody want be GM?"
"No, Mr. Snyder"

Rooney Rule, Done...
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Contacted by e-mail, Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno advises that the team "over-complied" with the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

But, still, no one will tell us the name(s) of the candidate(s) who interviewed.

"It would not be fair to the other candidates to disclose their names," Bolno said.

Fine, but it's not fair to the process to suddenly swap out General Managers without any potentially interested and qualified candidates even knowing that the job might be available.

We'll have a lot more to say on this one, because there's something about it that doesn't pass the smell test -- and I've confirmed that it's not because I forgot to apply deodorant. Again.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

winning.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 17, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Although to be fair to Allen, there was this from a column in the Oakland Tribune in 2008:


"When discussing the struggles of the franchise, employees past and present roll their eyes and point to a number of factors, such as the whimsical owner; the instability; the self-serving individuals; the misplaced priorities; the strained working relationships and those whose loyalty to Al has obscured what's in the best interest of the organization.

For nearly all, though, it comes back to Allen. He found clever and subtle ways to challenge Davis, reach the coaches and address the unease in the building. Allen was the antidote to chief executive Amy Trask, who has earned a reputation as a tough woman, fiercely loyal to Al, with the people skills of a chain saw.

Allen was the one man during the past 13 years whose credibility ensured his words would be considered by anyone in the organization.

With Allen holding the place together, young coach Jon Gruden could do his job. It was a successful formula. During the Allen-Gruden years (1998-2001), the Raiders were 38-26. Subtract those seasons, and the Raiders are 50-96 since their return to Oakland."

Bruce Allen is not going to be in charge of the Washington Redskins, Dan Snyder will continue to be in charge -- no matter what he says. Allen may soften the rough edges some however.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

he official word from the league and the Redskins is that the team respected the requirement that at least one minority candidate be interviewed for the G.M. position.

Initially, we contacted NFL spokesman Greg Aiello for more information. He directed us to the Redskins for an answer. (In the interim, we were told that the Redskins had complied with the Rooney Rule, but our source did not identify the minority candidate(s) who interviewed for the job.)

Contacted by e-mail, Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno advises that the team "over-complied" with the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

But, still, no one will tell us the name(s) of the candidate(s) who interviewed.

"It would not be fair to the other candidates to disclose their names," Bolno said.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The worst thing I can say about Bruce Allen right now....

http://www.espn980.com/

He looks an awful lot like his idiot Brother.....(Please don't sound like him too)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Allen is not considered a strong personnel guy, but rather an excellent administrator -- one who can get along with everybody.
"He'll be great with Dan Snyder as far as dealing with him," one NFL source said.
But he was not responsible for making personnel decisions in Oakland, where Al Davis did that and Jon Gruden had that power in Tampa Bay.


By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
12/17/09 10:20 AM EST

Uh Oh. Are we getting another "yes man" with a more respect in NFL circles than Vinny?

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that is from PFT.

Posted by: Gweez | December 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule was complied with by:

1. Talking with morocco brown...would love to see his role elevated now

2. Snyder talked to Dungy. Dungy admitted an NFL team contacted him about exec role.

Of course i dont know... but I bet this was the deal.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Not addressing the offensive line before this season was unforgiveable. The overall body of his work was terrible, and thus I say, "Adios Vinny. Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, you can't plan for your 2 best linement in Samuels and Thomas going down for the season after just 4 games. But as for "not addressing the O line" that's utter nonsense. He did address it...by replacing our 2 oldest linemen in Kendall and Jansen with our 2 youngest in Heyer and Dockery. And I don't think the book is out yet on Chad Reinhart, but I'm sure all the folks who thought Devin Thomas and Fred Davis were busts a few months ago have also already decided Reinhart is a bust as well.

Vinny may not have been a good GM...but he is not a bad human being people. I hate seeing the nasty and personal piling on of someone, publicly, who really did nothing to deserve it.

I wish Vinny the best of luck in his future endeavors. And I do thank him for laying the foundation for what I believe is a solid core of young players to build around.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

HALLELUJAH!! NOW NEXT STEP IS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET SNYDER FIRED...

Posted by: skins82 | December 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Stop buying tix and t-shirts. Simple math. Do it for a decade and he's gone.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

My between the lines read of Dbag Florio's rant: "This is BS!! Snyder can't run a stealth GM search campaign and get all his ducks in a row before making the announcement!!! He has got to give me and the other dirt scratchers plenty of time to post a bunch of unconfirmed rumors and innuendo to drive eyeballs to our sites"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

So it's going to be a team of Snyder and Allen, paired with a head coach (Gruden). More from that article:

"Truth be told, every Raiders Super Bowl appearance has followed direct contributions from someone who could influence the roster, the coaches and the owner. They had Ron Wolf from 1966-75, and again from 1978-90. Davis and Wolf, at their peak, may have been the most effective executive duo in the NFL. Davis and Allen were pretty good, too, once Gruden arrived."

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks cL. Yea it's been awhile. A few sleepless nights and losses by our team have conspired to keep me away but I couldn't miss commenting on this. I really appreciate your kind words and hope to get back here a little more often. The shades of jade are starting to lift from my eyes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 17, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It stretches the imagination that Gruden wouldn't have an out in his ESPN contract.

Posted by: Carlpaguy | December 17, 2009 11:51 AM
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Totally agree. These former coaches might like the money in broadcasting, but let's face it: they are coaches, this is what they live for and there are only so many opportunities in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 17, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope you're not talking about Chris Henry.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

ignore that moron...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know BRUCE at all. I had his brother once as a guest in my home. Maybe they're not alike.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 17, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Shades of Jade" perfect description!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I thank Vinny Cerrato for his years of service ...

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 11:35 AM

Yes he has been servicing Snyder for 10 years. I guess Dan got board of that...

Posted by: alex35332 | December 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe

Agreed about Florio...

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What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:01 PM

What thug are you talking about?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes I am.....he now is a role model. I can tell my kid this si what happens when you waste yoru God given talents and continue to make bad decisions in life.

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI


And yet another piece of s_it still walks the earth. Why didn't your mother abort you? Why don't you take your racist hatemongering over to one of the yahoo.com message boards?

PortisStr8, of course he was talking about Chris Henry...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Stop buying tix and t-shirts. Simple math. Do it for a decade and he's gone.

Posted by: glawrence007

He'll be gone along with the team.....

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The first real ray of hope in years.

Posted by: james808d | December 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

yeah...i want to enjoy the day today and remember 12/17/2009 as the day cerrato freed us from monotony of discourse and mediocrity. halleleuija! i can't find anyone to hug or give a kiss...so a big fat hug and a kiss on the lips to you ri!!! MUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention anything about race? It has nothign to do with race. It is the poor choices this young man continue to make all his life. No matter what color this man is the bottom line is he was a thug....

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

skinsfaninWI - You ignorant a$$ is the worst....

He has been out of trouble for over 2 years now. He changed his life for the better.

I hope your kids reject you when you get older......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI

I'm sure his family and children will appreciate that. Completely classless....

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Rooney Rule was complied with by:

1. Talking with morocco brown...would love to see his role elevated now

2. Snyder talked to Dungy. Dungy admitted an NFL team contacted him about exec role.

Of course i dont know... but I bet this was the deal.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 12:01 PM


Most likely. But we'll know for sure soon and we'll know why Snyder didn't do enough. Wilbon lives for Rooney Rule stories. Tune in to PTI tonight.

Posted by: League-Source | December 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Love to be a fly on the wall for the Gruden- Zorn MNF production meeting for the Gints game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

POD Nominee! No kiddin...I can see it now, a giddy Jaws bursting out with "SO Jonny...what're the odds you'll be staying in Washington after the game to talk with Dan Snyder??" while a flummoxed Mike Robot Tirico feverishly scribbles "No Ron, NO!!!" on a notepad.

I don't think Zorn out-Gruden in is a done deal. Do not be surprised if Allen-Snyder give JZ one more year. If it doesn't work out then, go and pluck Gruden from the booth. My sense is he'd live on Easy Street for another year no problem if he had the chance to reunite with his pal Bruce in 2011

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey BARNO1

while defending Vinny, did you read this from Marty 4 days ago..?? I think its a revealing window into Vinny's personality..
And I dont believe Snyder is going to miss him, either, if reports are correct they were yelling at each other, in public, recently.

Maybe Marty got the final revenge..??
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Dec 13, 2009
The feud lingers between Marty Schottenheimer, the ex-Redskins coach, and Vinny Cerrato, the current Washington personnel chief.

Schottenheimer, on Sirius NFL Radio, had a scathing analysis of the Washington Post's report that Cerrato had joined team owner Daniel Snyder scouting Texas QB Colt McCoy recently.

"When you send Dan out along with Vinny Cerrato, Vinny's going to tell him whatever he thinks Dan wants to hear," Schottenheimer on his Sirius NFL Radio show. "Dan, God love him, I don't know that the analysis and evaluation of quarterbacks is necessarily down his alley."

Cerrato left the Redskins during Schottenheimer's one season coaching in Washington in 2001. He returned after Schottenheimer's dismissal.

The ex-coach said the Redskins, 3-9 entering Week 13, must remove Cerrato before they can get better:

"I've said for a long time, in my opinion the problem down there --obviously it starts at the top with Dan--but it is Cerrato.

"I don't particularly respect the guy. He and I had our issues when we were there. Basically what he said was, 'Marty, Dan may be listening to you during the preseason,' he says. 'But wait until I get up in the owner's box during the regular season, and then we'll see who Dan listens to.'

"Now how's that? How's that? And of course, he was gone within the week but re-hired shortly after I departed. So now, Dan, he's made his choice (some) time ago, but I'm not a big fan of Cerrato and his work."

-- Sean Leahy

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes I am.....he now is a role model. I can tell my kid this si what happens when you waste yoru God given talents and continue to make bad decisions in life.

Posted by: skinsfaninWI


No one said he was a role model, dumb ass... I think what you wanted to say was that he serves as a cautionary tale, or he would've... Dude was getting his s_it together...

Unfortunately you can also teach your kids about bigotry, hate, and being a total classless jackass d-bag.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a father LIKE YOU raising them. Do them a favor and surrender them to child services.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"It does, they had to interview at least 2 minority candidates."


Jim Caldwell, Lovie Smith, and Mike Tomlin all laugh at that rule.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 17, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

skinsfaninWI, c'mon guy...really...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

What a great day.....another thug is out of the NFL and Cerrato is gone

Posted by: skinsfaninWI

I know I should ignore this ass clown. WTF!!! Three children just lost their father and man was making a positive change in his life.

Posted by: jm220 | December 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

skinsfaninWI - You ignorant a$$ is the worst....

He has been out of trouble for over 2 years now. He changed his life for the better.

I hope your kids reject you when you get older......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 12:13 PM


Great let him be the role model for your kids then.

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | December 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

For nearly all, though, it comes back to Allen. He found clever and subtle ways to challenge Davis, reach the coaches and address the unease in the building. Allen was the antidote to chief executive Amy Trask, who has earned a reputation as a tough woman, fiercely loyal to Al, with the people skills of a chain saw.

Allen was the one man during the past 13 years whose credibility ensured his words would be considered by anyone in the organization.

With Allen holding the place together, young coach Jon Gruden could do his job. It was a successful formula. During the Allen-Gruden years (1998-2001), the Raiders were 38-26. Subtract those seasons, and the Raiders are 50-96 since their return to Oakland."

Bruce Allen is not going to be in charge of the Washington Redskins, Dan Snyder will continue to be in charge -- no matter what he says. Allen may soften the rough edges some however.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse
Interesting. This sounds a lot like the role that Joe Gibbs played during Gibbs2.0. And that is certainly much needed. I think that was one of VC's weaknesses. Case in point was his relationship with RI reporters.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 17, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Allen has a good track record of having worked for demanding owners with Al Davis in Oakland and the Glazers in Tampa Bay. He kept Tampa Bay in the mix as a contender until last year and he didn't negotiate the compensation for Gruden. The Glazers made that deal after the 2001 season when they fired Tony Dungy. Allen became GM in 2004 and had to deal with the fall out of the lost draft picks for Gruden.

Hopefully, this will mean that Allen will seriously evaluate the merits of keeping JC as QB rather than relying on Vinny's assessment that a new QB was the answer. I'm sure he also realizes the Redskins major rebuilding areas are the O-Line, RB, and the secondary with depth needed at LB. A young QB can be drafted and groomed from the 3rd to 5th rounds, not with our 1st round pick.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 17, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Henry was a thug. I think he was a troubled but kind-hearted young man who, like ST, was starting to get on track when he died from bizarre circumstances.

Yes, I count ST's shooting as bizarre. A gunshot wound to the leg isn't usually fatal. The fact that the bullet happened to hit the femoral artery is a one in a million freak shot. Henry falling out of the back of a pickup truck is also a freak occurrence.

Both men also left young children and fiancees behind. Let's think of their families and loved ones and not pass judgment on the lifestyles they were actively working to change.

Posted by: jaradel | December 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

At great risk of taking the blog completely off the tracks(which is not my intent), i want to pose this question:

Does the NFL still need the Rooney Rule?

I'm a middle aged white guy, so that is the lens through which i view the world. I work for a branch of the DOD, which is the ultimate meritocracy. I can assure you that i view people as people, and dislike or like people of all races based on my perception of them as people independent of their race, persuasion, religion etc etc.

My position is this: When it was implemented, it was needed to force the NFL hierarchy to address the fact that there were basically no minorities leading from the sidelines of the front offices. A glaring trend in the face of the make up of the League as a whole. Today, i believe that the NFL has evolved to a true meritocracy, where anyone regardless of race can get a shot based on performance.

I think the Rooney Rule MAY have passed its time and actually forces teams to perform a ritualistic kabuki dance of interviewing the "designated Rooney guy" just to comply with the rule. In my opinion, getting a Rooney interview with no real shot of getting the job is beyond insulting, but i also know my perspective may not be germane. I also figure its here to stay because of the negative perception the move would cause.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is back on the blog today it's like a national holiday

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

And yet another piece of s_it still walks the earth. Why didn't your mother abort you? Why don't you take your racist hatemongering over to one of the yahoo.com message boards?

PortisStr8, of course he was talking about Chris Henry...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dude, that guy is a clown for writing that, no doubt. But "Why didn't your mother abort you?" You've got major issues too.

And I didn't realize that every time some ignorant white guy (how do you even know he's white, BTW?) makes a cruel comment involving the demise of someone of color, he's an automatic racist. He may be, I don't know. Point is neither do you. What I do know is that you both are jerks

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 17, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"It does, they had to interview at least 2 minority candidates."

Jim Caldwell, Lovie Smith, and Mike Tomlin all laugh at that rule.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, that oreo is going to get mad soggy from all that dipping in the milk you're doing.

The steelers interviewed the beloved Russ Grimm twice, and your boy Ron Rivera as well.

Grimm also interviewed for the Bears job before Lovie was hired back in 2004.

Caldwell, I agree with you, but it's offset by the hiring of Jim Mora Jr., so lets not go there.

For all the love for Grimm, the dude has had more than a few interviews for HC but for some reason he never gets the job.

I wonder why.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance is a Motha Sucka...

...And you sir are it's child...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It's like going from BUSH to OBAMA.
About time you did something right Snydyy.

Posted by: A-Voter | December 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

ChuckEEE

Posted by: richs91 | December 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Basically what he said was, 'Marty, Dan may be listening to you during the preseason,' he says. 'But wait until I get up in the owner's box during the regular season, and then we'll see who Dan listens to.'

"Now how's that? How's that? And of course, he was gone within the week but re-hired shortly after I departed. So now, Dan, he's made his choice (some) time ago, but I'm not a big fan of Cerrato and his work."

-- Sean Leahy

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Basically what he was saying was"? Hah. That is code for "he didn't exactly say this but I'm going to put words in his mouth to make him look bad because I have an axe to grind and didn't like him"

Posted by: Barno1 | December 17, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

For all the love for Grimm, the dude has had more than a few interviews for HC but for some reason he never gets the job.
I wonder why.
Posted by: RedDMV
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So Tony Dungey had quite a few head coaching interviews before he was hired also.. and maybe Grimm isn't a great on interviews.. doesn't mean he can't coach. All I know is Grimm has been successful where ever he has gone.. Washington, Pittsburgh and Arizona. And he knows OL.. and what is the Skins biggest area of concern OL. Hey not saying Russ would be my first choice.. be would need help, but if Gruden and/or Shanahan fall through.. I'd rather give Russ a shot than some other unknown inexperinced candidate.

Posted by: sovine08 | December 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone in the media get one of those "Michael Jordan driving off" pictures of Vinny Cerrato?

I collect pictures of great days in Redskin's history.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Allen oversaw teams that won five DIVISION championships?

Keep in mind: He inherited a team that drafted Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, Barber, et al.

After four years in Tampa what exactly happened to the team? What exactly has happened with his draft picks?

What happened to the Oakland teams that Allen left behind him? How have those teams fared?

How many players that Allen has drafted have been selected as All-Pros? How many are on the Hall of Fame track?

Did Snyder do his due diligence?

Posted by: JPRS | December 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

christmas just came early. party at my house tonight

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | December 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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