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Bruce Allen Rumors

We got a tip this morning that former Tampa Bay GM Bruce Allen had been in discussions with the Redskins about a possible role in their front office. We have been unable to get that fully pinned down, and cannot report at this time whether or not that in fact happened. This afternoon Profootballtalk.com posted an entry about rumors of Allen landing with the Redskins. We continue to work to try to verify, or refute, these rumblings.

To this point we cannot report with any certainty on what is going down. The Redskins offered no response to our inquiries, Allen has not returned calls, and, while he did return one email request, his response did not confirm or refute the notion. One source close to Allen, son of former Redskins Hall of Fame Coach George Allen, shot down the idea as one of several unsubstantiated rumors making the rounds now.

Several sources who have worked for or with owner Daniel Snyder and/or Allen have said the men have much common ground and that Snyder has dabbled with hiring Allen in the past. They said that Allen's personality would be a good fit for Snyder - he would be cool with the ancillary things that usually come with working closely with Snyder, like jetting off to Vegas or Aspen or Europe, working very late hours sometimes, etc. Several sources who previously worked in Washington's front office thought it was a combination that makes sense and could see Snyder being interested in Allen - who previously worked as an agent and has steep history managing the salary cap as well.

At this point we have no idea what any hypothetical deal with Allen would mean for current executive vice president of football operations, Vinny Cerrato, and, again, we are not reporting anything concrete here. As we get more nailed down, either way, we'll post as much as we can.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 22, 2009; 8:15 PM ET
 
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Please, God, kick that turd Vinny Cerrato to the curb.

But... and this is a big but... let Danny learn his lesson from this. He should let Allen run the football operations. No more meddling. No more puppet GMs like Vinny.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 22, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!!!!!

Posted by: beigebandit | January 22, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I would think if he is hired he would not push Vinny out, he would be like an equal. But still a voice of experience is better then no voice at all.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 22, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz oh plz

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 22, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation would go CRAZY if this happened....

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 22, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I try to blog during the offseason but WHY???

We shoulda done this...we shoulda done that...The Ravens do this, the Steelers do that...fire the coach, owner, "GM"...we did't draft him...Ryan Clark is Ronnie Lott...we've got this many picks...that many picks...Snyder's a rat, azzhole, jackazz,..sell the team...hire Parcells...get Haynesworth...draft this man...cut this man...

I know we have a good time on the blog and I like all the regulars (Nate, ifthedog,chris,Lisa,Diddy,periculum,zf,mista,Red, Flounder, etc.), but let's face it...who really knows???

Wanna know my theory?(Most of which has been said)

1) Lack of talent on offense.
2) Overcommittment to old players, stunting youth movement (A Gibbs moniker)
3) Philosophy that we are "one player away"
4) Christians over football players (Gibbs)
5) Portis runs the team. Will only get worse.
6) Zorn didn't play the rookies. I don't care if they ran the wrong routes. Play em' and I bet Thomas is already better than Thrash, maybe ARE.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT...ADMIT IT SNYDER AND ZORN LOOKED LIKE GENIUSES WHEN WE WERE 6-2.

I HOPE THIS IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

SICWIDIT'S TAKE!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 22, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | January 22, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

LIKE GENIUSES WHEN WE WERE 6-2.

I HOPE THIS IS TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

SICWIDIT'S TAKE!!!

actually at 6-2 I was saying there was still a ton of issues with this team and everyone thought I was crazy....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 22, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

please, please, please be true - Jason, don't post things like this unless they are going to happen - our hopes have been crushed too many times by this front office.

Posted by: UVA97 | January 22, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

There are not many things in this world I hope for every night before I go to bed, but hiring a true GM is one of them. Danny Boy, if you or your people are reading this... DO IT!!!!!

Posted by: EZCUSE | January 22, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Is Bruce Allen's record for player personnel moves really that much better than Cerrato's? Every GM has an occasional find or hit, but the Bucs really haven't had a lot of hits other than Barret Ruud, Jeremy Trueblood, and possibly Davin Joseph. Tony Dungy's players won that SB. And they patched their o line with free agents for years.

Posted by: saltine182 | January 22, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

***BREAKING NEWS***

After reviewing the Redskins Insider and Washington Post chat rooms Dan Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, has decided to pull an offer to Bruce Allen to be in charge of the teams salary cap and move Vinnie Cerrato to that role exclusively. A 2pm press conference at Redskin Park in scheduled where Snyder is expected to announce the hiring of a new GM. That GM is Washington Post Beat Writer, Jason LaCanfora.

Apparently, Sndyer has been enamored with LaCanfora and his football knowledge for years. But in recent postings on his blog and chat rooms LaCanfora has displayed an unmatched eye for talent and evaluation of a roster that surely needs his expertise. Also, his roster of Ex-Redskin employees, in other capacities with other organizations that contribute to his articles as annonymous sources would be a huge resource to the organization. Dan Snyder was quoted as saying "There is nothing Jason LaCanfora doesn't know. After he turns around this team I'm going to put him in charge of six flags." Rumors that he would stand next to the rides at six flags and anyone taller than him would be allowed on have been unconfirmed.

Updates from tomorrows press conference will be provided.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 22, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

So this guy has never been a GM?

So whats his history other than being the Son of a great coach?

I would not be too excited unless he was a proven GM...Unless he takes over as "GM" and not just added to the FO.....

Posted by: leevi98 | January 22, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

6-2StackMonster...nice


Posted by: trolly_time | January 22, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

oh dear lord please let this happen.

Posted by: 1buj | January 22, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Ok he was a GM with the Bucs....why was he fired?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 22, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

even if this does happen cerrato's moves from the past have set us back 4-5 years i dont care who is in charge just look at our dead money for instance against the cap for next year alone

Posted by: mudman220 | January 22, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok...you hire this guy...as soon as trades Portis for a 6th with the cap hit, you'll be screaming for Vinny!

I AM SICWIDIT and I AM THE THAT GUY WHO THINKS WE'LL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH ANYTHING WE DO.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 22, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

6-2stackmonster

The force is strong in you my son....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 22, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

While I like the general idea of someone other than Vinny, I just don't see the appeal here. More confusion on roles, etc. More committee work, split responsibility is no responsibility, etc., leading the hamsters to debate for years if player X was Gibbs/Vinny/Allen/Williams/Danny's fault etc.

Plus as others have noted it is not like this guy is Bill Parcells and as I understand it from others here he got canned in TB for some reason.

To be honest my 1st thought was: can you say Pepper Rodgers?

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 22, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

i didn't think x-mas was until december.....please fire vinny.

Posted by: dadanimal | January 22, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

i didn't think x-mas was until december, please fire vinny santa.

Posted by: dadanimal | January 22, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLaC, If we don't get this guy are we going to get another "Redskins Passed on Local Talent" thread? After all, he is from Virginia, went to school there, and played football there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 22, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's an article about Bruce Allen's tenure with the Bucs:

The Bruce Allen era

Five great moves

• In 2004, Allen dealt disgruntled WR Keyshawn Johnson to Dallas for veteran Joey Galloway. Johnson had 12 touchdowns in two seasons in Dallas and retired a year later; Galloway has had 28 touchdowns in five seasons in Tampa Bay, with three 1,000-yard seasons.

• Allen saw something in WR Antonio Bryant, who was out of football in 2007. Bryant, left, had a breakout 2008 season, with 83 catches for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns. Same for DE Greg White, who went from the Arena Football League to 13 sacks in the past two seasons.

• Allen leaves the Bucs in a far better salary cap situation than he did Oakland, in part because he has been able to cut ties with veteran players whose best days were behind them, something he didn't do with the Raiders.

• QB Jeff Garcia had played for four teams in four seasons when the Bucs signed him. He has been a leader in his two seasons, with 25 touchdowns and just 10 interceptions.

• Best draft pick? Could be LB Barrett Ruud, a second-rounder in 2005, or S Tanard Jackson, who has started all 32 games since he was picked in the fourth round in 2007.

Five not-so-great moves

• Big contracts for veterans past their prime. RB Charlie Garner, OL Todd Steussie, OL Derrick Deese in 2004 were the biggest names to disappoint after expensive signings.

• The entire 2004 draft? When first-round WR Michael Clayton, left, with two TDs in the past four years, is your best pick, it's a rough draft.

• Giving QB Chris Simms a two-year contract with $5 million guaranteed after he suffered a ruptured spleen in 2006. He played in just three games in those two years.

• Picking WR/KR Dexter Jackson in the second round last year. Jackson, left, was active in just seven games, with zero receptions. Philadelphia's DeSean Jackson, drafted nine spots earlier, had 62 catches for 912 yards.

• Overall inefficiency. Of his 51 draft picks since 2004, only 23 were still with the Bucs at the end of the 2008 season. Of 33 unrestricted and restricted free agents signed under Allen, 17 weren't on the opening day roster in 2008.

The beginning

Allen joined the Bucs in January 2004 after nine years with the Raiders, including three division titles. He was reunited with Jon Gruden, Oakland's coach from 1998-2001. Allen's first NFL stint was as a 12th-round draft pick of the Baltimore Colts in 1978 after playing as a punter at Richmond. He is the son of Hall of Fame coach George Allen.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 22, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen doesn't exactly have stellar credentials to this point. The only shiny spot is that he seems to be learning how to cut high price, over the hill talent. A lesson we can't seem to learn.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 22, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

While I like the general idea of someone other than Vinny, I just don't see the appeal here. More confusion on roles, etc. More committee work, split responsibility is no responsibility, etc., leading the hamsters to debate for years if player X was Gibbs/Vinny/Allen/Williams/Danny's fault etc.
===========================================
Racer X is Gibbs' fault.

Player X, etc. is Dannyerrato's fault.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 22, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow I am major pro here...way better than Vinny....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 22, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I've lived in Tampa for the past 6 years. Bruce Allen is/was Gruden's puppet. As bad as Vinny is, Allen is no better and was simply Gruden's yes man. Chasing old and retired QB's around the country was Allen's primary position here in Tampa. The perception outside of Tampa is Gruden got a raw end of the deal, but he is hated in the Tampa area and Allen is viewed with zero respect. If Allen comes aboard, that means Gruden is waiting in the wings when Zorn gets canned after an 7-9 or another 8-8 season. Gruden may be the most hated man in Tampa for his arrogance and treatment of people/players. I weep for Redskins Nation if these team of idiots runs the Skins. You think Vinny is bad, wait till Allen and Gruden are running things. TRAIN WRECK PEOPLE!!!! Go to TBO.com if you want to gain a perspective of the joy Tampa fans feel when Gruden and Allen were shown the door. Classless is the word I would use to describe that duo. I love and follow the Skins from down here and my worst fears would ring true with those two clowns running this once proud franchise deeper into the abyss.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 22, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow I am major pro here...way better than Vinny....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 22, 2009 11:39 PM
===========================================
Besides Racer X, and Player X, all other things are chrIslarRy's fault.

For instance, no cold fusion, peace in the Middle East, etc. and such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 22, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Guys, trust me on this. Choosing between Vinny and Bruce Allen is like choosing between a shot to the nuttts or a shot to the face. Both are brutal in their own unique ways.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 22, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"For instance, no cold fusion, peace in the Middle East, etc. and such as."

i'll buy that...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen would just be a figure head to say HERE is your GM while Vinny and Snyder run the show.

This fan can be fooled by silly things like picking up Jason Taylor or Brandon Lloyd.


If they wanted a real front office they would hire a real head coach like Gruden, Cowher, Shannahan or someone of that ilk and have him bring in his own personel men.

Or they would hire a real GM and have him decide who to keep and fire.( vinny) and if he wants to keep Zorn. I have no idea how good Zorn will be since he has no talent to work with.

Until Snyder dies we will stink

Posted by: Snyderratostinks | January 23, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Without reading the comments - they get kind of redundant - Bruce Allen would fit in here fine as his job is/has been salary cap. Aren't the Bucs like $40 million under the cap? Of course Snyder would be interested in that.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 23, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I am sooo sure that this rumor was started by either his brother or down as a favor to Bruce from Snyder to let the rumor out to spark interest in Allen, though not true........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse


The guys doesn't sound like a day at the beach.

And if Snyder likes him, it's a variation on the old Groucho Marx line: " I would never belong to any organization that would have the likes of me as a member."

"Anyone Dan Snyder picks to replace Vinny is likely to be an improvement unless that person is selected by Dan Snyder."

While the idea of relacing Vinny is overwhelmingly good, the Devil's in the details.


Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

BBen - Our Ccap guy does a great job, honestly. Cap Purgatory has been predicted for the Skins for the past 5/6 years. Yet, were good every offseason (for the most part)............

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, Vinny and Danny need to suck on my freshly shaven ball-sack.

They are complete d0uchbags.

I'd love for nothing more than to drop a huge, steaming #2 on both of them.

I'm glad I'm not a season ticket holder and live on the West Coast now, far away from their fan-raping.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2009 4:11 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

MORE PATS LAYOFFS COMING FRIDAY?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2009, 11:50 p.m. EST
An industry source tells us that the Patriots could be joining the new “it’s a bad economy, so let’s trim some fat” trend on Friday by laying off some employees.

We’re told that at least one employee working for the team’s in-house publications has been advised that Friday will be his last day; it’s possible that there will be others.

Of course, it won’t be the first round of layoffs in Foxborough. In November 2008, the Patriots quietly laid off 60 employees. Though it was announced as a reduction of five percent of the Gillette Stadium work force, we’re told that the number actually was closer to 20 percent.

Part of the problem, we’re told, is the unexpected underperformance of Patriot Place, the small city that the franchise built around the stadium that wasn’t built near one.

“[I]t’s basically an outdoor mall,” said the source. “In New England. Where for the past week it has barely cracked 25 degrees. And there’s more than a foot of snow on the ground. . . . I guess they could not have forseen the financial issues that were coming when they started the project, but I still think there’s something fundamentally flawed about building an outdoor mall in such a cold climate.”

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Guys, trust me on this. Choosing between Vinny and Bruce Allen is like choosing between a shot to the nuttts or a shot to the face. Both are brutal in their own unique ways.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 22, 2009 11:50 PM

This team missed the bus by not getting in on the Pioli action. Bruce Allen appears to be a mixed bag of results, not the crap sandwich Vinny is. The only thing that scares me about Allen is the possibility of Gruden coming here. I HATE Gruden and could never root for that clown in good conscience. But if you could count on Allen to bring back the smashmouth mentality this team desperately needs, I'd go for it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who people say would work well with Dan Snyder should not be hired.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who people say would work well with Dan Snyder should not be hired.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 7:03 AM

Can't argue that logic...

I wish the District would raise enough funds and private donations to purchase the Redskins and make it a publicly owned entity like the Green Bay Packers. That way we get somewhat of a say in who the GM is. At least I think that's how it works there, you might have to be on their board or own stock in the team or something like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

That way we get somewhat of a say in who the GM is.
Because...
the...
blog...
collective...
is...
a...
better...
judge...
of...
GM...
talent...?

Who knew?

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Do long posts that "are being held for review" ever get released?

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Because...
the...
blog...
collective...
is...
a...
better...
judge...
of...
GM...
talent...?

Who knew?

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 7:34 AM

There's no where to go but up, bro. Besides, I don't think the Packers hand out slips of paper to take a vote as to who the GM is. The board goes through some process to make those decisions, but if the team is grossly underperforming and fans are outraged, things happen. Not the "I can't fire Vinny, who'll I play racquetball with?" crap we're getting from Danny. Just a thought...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Do long posts that "are being held for review" ever get released?

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 7:37 AM |

No, you have to break it up into smaller posts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brown,

If Washington DC had any money they might try fixing there crappy schools, or fixing the mammoth pothole I drove over today, the thing looked more like a ditch then a pothole.

Besides with the exception of the name, the Skins really have nothing to do with Washington. They train in VA and play in Maryland.

But I understand were your coming from, I think everybody would love a new owner but I think we are stuck with Snyder until he dies. The problem with that is he is not very old, and he's rich so I'm sure he's got good doctors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I think everybody would love a new owner but I think we are stuck with Snyder until he dies.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 7:47 AM

Maybe not...if we launch a huge conspiracy to discredit him and frame him for some sort of gambling interest and/or illegal enterprise that would force Roger Goodell to bump Danny out of the owner's box, we could land new ownership that way. Seeing how the guys from that show Leverage are fictional, I'll need some our craftier bloggers to put together and execute some sort of air-tight scheme to make this happen. Any takers?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks for posting about the pats laying people off....interesting.

corky, in a previous post, you stated that Hall was looking for a big payday, and that Rogers was so upset, so, "PO'ed" as you put it that he wants to leave.

Can you back this up with something other than what you WANT to happen??

Mike Mayock, hands down the best Draft guy out there...."heavy legged, knee bender"

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Hey JLC - Nice job on the Team Building article. Could you write something about how the Skins front office put together the Superbowl teams of the 80's and 90's?

Posted by: Rocky9 | January 23, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

BBen - Our Ccap guy does a great job, honestly. Cap Purgatory has been predicted for the Skins for the past 5/6 years. Yet, were good every offseason (for the most part)............

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2009 2:19 AM

4th, I hear you and agree (for the most part)....

All, I'm saying is he prolly wouldn't mind another voice. If Allen does come here, I don't see Vinny going anywhere. Who knows, maybe Allen will have to do the radio show.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 23, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

scampbell

The Bruce Allen post was very informative.

He sounds more like a good sal cap guy than talent guy. Hiring him would mean the Skins might be thinking, "F!ck it" and choose to shed salaries and old guys.

Things could get interesting real fast come late Feb. at Redskins Park.

beantown

I can't tell if you're being snarky about Mike Mayock, but I like the guy.

Mayock and Charles Davis are the two guys who made me stop watching ESPN for football news. I like guys who talk scheme and talent and not just height, weight, and blah, blah, blah....

And now with the MLB Network, I've completely divorced myself from the "All Cowboys, All Day" Network.

I think ESPN went down the toilet the minute Disney forced them to emphasize the 'entertainment' portion of the channel's title.

I like PTI--who doesn't? After that, I'm done with ESPN.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

Agreed 100%. ESPN is sports talk radio on TV now. 8 second highlights and then back to TO or Pacman Jones talk for 30 minutes.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 23, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

moe, 2 thinks:

1. I like Mayock, I think he's more than a height weight guy. To me, Kiper is the height weight guy, Mayock, and Davis broke it down nicely on "path to the draft" last night, which is where the term, "heavy legged knee bender" came from.

2. I hate pti....mostly because Wilbon is a pos...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you MistaMoe. ESPN is just Access Hollywood for sports now. Between the emphasis on drama in Dallas and calling EVERYTHING that opens Sportcenter 'breaking news' (whether it's actually breaking or not), the ESPN brand is completely unwatchable (with the exception of PTI).

Mayock and Davis OBLITERATE Kiper and McShay by comparison. It's not even close.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Anybody got a short list of possible vets on the chopping block because of salary issues?

Even if the Skins might have a good cap guy, I still think anybody who signed off on Portis/Jansen's deal was nuts.

In baseball, you pay old guys because they can pinch hit or long relief/eat innings if you need them.

It's not wise to backload the contracts of vets in football simply because age and wear issues are way more pronounced on a guy, even if he's 27.

And giving a football player a lot of guaranteed money at what might be the tail end of his career has a greater impact on the roster just ain't smart period.

If Allen is hired, maybe he'll break the FO's money habit of loving the vets too much and winning with youth and speed not enough.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

I live in Tampa. Trust me...YOU DO NOT WANT ALLEN AND/OR GRUDEN!!! There may be no plan in Ashburn, but the plan in Tampa was to stockpile QB's at the expense of other roster spots, trade draft picks for QB's who told you they weren't coming out of retirement and then fight with them over money. Allen is Gruden's do boy and nothing more. The hatred for the current regime is justified and sincere, but replacing it with the fired Tampa leadership is suicide. The Bucs have 0 talent on offense. ZERO. No playmakers, no starting QB, a starting RB who's hurt and old scrap heap receivers and no threat at TE. At least Moss, Cooley and CP are some of the pieces to surround with young talent. Allen has given the Bucs nothing. Don't tell me Antonio Bryant was a find. He was a flyer at the vet min who filled out their roster and finally put together one good year. They got lucky on one guy. The defense was Kiffin's 100%, so any success on that side is completely due to Kiffin and succeeded in spite of Allen/Gruden. Run from this guy. RUN!!!

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 23, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Rocky9,

I think it is pretty widely accepted that the 'skins built those teams around the lines. However, it was a completely different animal back then. There were more rounds in the draft and you could hide prospects on injured reserve for phantom ailments.

Mark May, was a high draft pick but Joe Jacoby was an undrafted FA. The 'skins later picked-up Jim Lachey from the Raiders for Jay Schoeder.

On the defense side, Dexter Manley, 'skins all-time sack leader, was drafted in the fifth round and Charles Mann was drafted in the 3rd.

George Allen traded two #1s for Dave Butz to the Cardinals in '75 even though Butz was missing the whole season with a knee injury. Butz started 203 games for the 'skins. Darryl Grant was drafted out Rice as an offensive gaurd in the 9th round but moved to DT where he played for 10 years becoming the first Redskin defender to record 100 tackles in '83.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

rich2

Point taken.

I guess Bruce Allen joining the Skins FO might be like the circus hiring a new clown.

I guess we'll have to see if he's good at juggling numbers, because the rest of the clowns in the Redskins FO seem good at only juggling balls.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Bostic also went undrafted. Don Warren was a 4th round pick and Grimm was 3rd round pick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Mike Mayock is the BEST! And I enjoy Charles Davis insight as well.

Hope Vinny and Dan pay attention to Mike.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Guys, trust me on this. Choosing between Vinny and Bruce Allen is like choosing between a shot to the nuttts or a shot to the face. Both are brutal in their own unique ways.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 22, 2009 11:50 PM

Well, which one is it? If Vinny's the nuttts shot, I'm willing to take a few to the face to give my boys a break after the past 10 years.

Posted by: Section104 | January 23, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Finally someone who makes sense!

rickyroge good stuff. Totally true.

Now this Bruce Allen person will not help much.

Again like rickyroge said you need a bunch of things. Just like you can't just bring one player in and we win. We need better coaching or a better coach, better scouting, players, execution.....playing rokies who were picked up in the 2ond round.

Allen will not do anything special here.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Finally someone who makes sense!

rickyroge good stuff. Totally true.

Now this Bruce Allen person will not help much.

Again like rickyroge said you need a bunch of things. Just like you can't just bring one player in and we win. We need better coaching or a better coach, better scouting, players, execution.....playing rokies who were picked up in the 2ond round.

Allen will not do anything special here.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Finally someone who makes sense!

rickyroge good stuff. Totally true.

Now this Bruce Allen person will not help much.

Again like rickyroge said you need a bunch of things. Just like you can't just bring one player in and we win. We need better coaching or a better coach, better scouting, players, execution.....playing rokies who were picked up in the 2ond round.

Allen will not do anything special here.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The Bruce Allen era in TB

Five great moves

• In 2004, Allen dealt disgruntled WR Keyshawn Johnson to Dallas for veteran Joey Galloway. Johnson had 12 touchdowns in two seasons in Dallas and retired a year later; Galloway has had 28 touchdowns in five seasons in Tampa Bay, with three 1,000-yard seasons.

• Allen saw something in WR Antonio Bryant, who was out of football in 2007. Bryant, left, had a breakout 2008 season, with 83 catches for 1,248 yards and seven touchdowns. Same for DE Greg White, who went from the Arena Football League to 13 sacks in the past two seasons.

• Allen leaves the Bucs in a far better salary cap situation than he did Oakland, in part because he has been able to cut ties with veteran players whose best days were behind them, something he didn't do with the Raiders.

• QB Jeff Garcia had played for four teams in four seasons when the Bucs signed him. He has been a leader in his two seasons, with 25 touchdowns and just 10 interceptions.

• Best draft pick? Could be LB Barrett Ruud, a second-rounder in 2005, or S Tanard Jackson, who has started all 32 games since he was picked in the fourth round in 2007.

Five not-so-great moves

• Big contracts for veterans past their prime. RB Charlie Garner, OL Todd Steussie, OL Derrick Deese in 2004 were the biggest names to disappoint after expensive signings.

• The entire 2004 draft? When first-round WR Michael Clayton, left, with two TDs in the past four years, is your best pick, it's a rough draft.

• Giving QB Chris Simms a two-year contract with $5 million guaranteed after he suffered a ruptured spleen in 2006. He played in just three games in those two years.

• Picking WR/KR Dexter Jackson in the second round last year. Jackson, left, was active in just seven games, with zero receptions. Philadelphia's DeSean Jackson, drafted nine spots earlier, had 62 catches for 912 yards.

• Overall inefficiency. Of his 51 draft picks since 2004, only 23 were still with the Bucs at the end of the 2008 season. Of 33 unrestricted and restricted free agents signed under Allen, 17 weren't on the opening day roster in 2008.

Posted by: pasifikawv | January 23, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

If they fired Vinny to let Amy Fischer have a crack at GM, I'd be soldier boying in the street....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The Bucs won 3 division titles with Allen.

Allen was also heavily involved in getting the Raiders in deep playoff runs several years back.

The Tampa people may think he's a donkey who takes order from Gruden, but the honest truth is that he'd be better than anyone we've got in the FO right now.

However, THE issue is going to be how Snyder organizes the FO.

If Vinny is still heavily in the mix and Snyder still takes it upon himself to go scout wide receivers, then we'll likely stay in the dung hole.

If Snyder concerns himself with 6 Flags, and Vinny is reassigned to radio-show-host/janitor, then I hold onto some hope for improvement.

What scares me a little is when they mention that "Allen's personality would be good fit for Snyder". What that usually means is he's a stooge yes-man in the mold of Larry Michael who will indulge all the whims of our Baby Huey owner.

Posted by: p1funk | January 23, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Judging by what rich20ssu and others have said, I actually think Allen would be a good fit here. It looks as if Allen is a poor talent evaluator, but a good salary cap manager. That's the opposite of what Vinny is. Vinny is actually a decent talent evaluator, just an awful big-picture guy. Putting the two together could possibly give us the best of both worlds (of course, it could also give us the worst of both worlds).

I don't think it would hurt. No way Snyder is pulling Vinny out of executive management, and giving Vinny any and all help possible is the way to go.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

If they fired Vinny to let Amy Fischer have a crack at GM, I'd be soldier boying in the street....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

If that happened and I were Tanya Snyder, I'd make sure the butler ALWAYS answered the door.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

good one etrod...!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I know it's a little late for this, but I just read the epic article on our Offseason Plan, & want to say that you guys did a great job in it. Thanks!

Posted by: Josh7 | January 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

didn't snyder-boy just put a bunch of people out on the streets due to "extraordinary economic times"...and now the rumor is that he's going to shell out GM dollars...

This man has ZERO integrity. The man can make it work for himself to make money and that is all. Football owners need to be leaders, Daniel Snyder is not a leader. Daniel Synder's teams will never respect or play at a Championship level for him because they don't respect him. What his players will do is smack him on the a** after they're done with him and say "Thanks baby, that loot tastes great"...

Posted by: jbrady84 | January 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Interesting take living down there Rich. I just read some things about Gruden and Allen that paints them out to be guys who had trouble working together. They cited Allen's resigning of Chris Simms when Gruden was against it.

They have put some players in place that should be good for years to come and did a pretty good job rebuilding their O line which we desperately need.

Barrett Ruud - MLB
Gaines Adams - DE
Davin Joseph - G
Aaron Sears - G
Jeremy Trueblood - T
Aqib Talib - CB

And you got to credit the guy for signing Bryant. He would have been starting opposite Moss last year and provided a legit #2 WR.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

jbrady, Bob Kraft owner of the pats just laid of 60 people...this just in, the economy stinks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Now for the analysis!!
Please pay attention

Vinny and Synder are not the problem.
Yes their track record say they suck. Fine but they are not the problem.

This is how it works. Just like every team they know all the players in the NFL and college.

They sit down with everyone. Scout, medical, coaches.... Front office etc.. then they go over free agents and mark down the top players in college.

When they mark the top college players most NFL teams are similar....example.
When Calvin Jonshon came out he was the best and #1 player on most teams. If he was not #1 he was top 3

So far Vinny and Synder did nothing wrong.

Then they have another board saying what their needs are or who is best available. QB, RB, OT...ect...

This is maybe where you can say they mess up but....Vinny, Zorn and the whole world knows what the Redskins need this year. Its obvious!!! So they know too. There right there on the field everyday.

So this year the board will say: OT, DT, DE,....and so on. (not in order) yall can do that.

Then its combine and inviting players, and evaluating them but Most NFL teams are the same. We know and they know who runs the fastest 40, who jumps the highest, who's the slowest, who has the strongest arm.....

example: We knew just like everyteam Malcom Kelly had knee problems....so did every team in the NFL. But we knew just like every team how much talent the kid had so we took a chance knowing we just picked up another WR-Devin Thomas.

So up till now Vinny and Dan are doing the same thing every team does.

Now its time to draft. Now lets be clear...I don't think we've had great drafts lately.

Let's go back to last year. Our needs were clearly WR. and tall ones right? I hope yall remember that. Our line was ok. Check the stats.

So we addresed that. We went beyond addressing it when we picked up three pass chatching people just to make sure at least one pans out.

So I ask you now is it still Vinny or Synders fault the rokies did not play or produce? They gave our young QB young talented tall receivers to go with our star RB, then drated a OT in the 3 who should have been able to play.

I need someone to please tell me we had a bad draft last year after you saw what happended.

We traded down. Got 2 WR then a OT who then a CB then some more....Horton,.....and so on. The only bad pick was the punter...

So I ask you why did they not play. Think about your anser first. Please don't say they sucked because if we did not pick them another team would have picked them. Most NFL team have the same board. Give and take a couple of spaces. A 3rd OT should have been on the field. With just 13 TD this year in the air our 2WR and 1TE should have played more.

Whos fault is that. Is it Danny and Vinny. So if we bring someone else in...a big name GM what will happen. The same thing. Same process.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The first things that will happen is cuts, contract restructuring and signings of are own FA's which I believe can happen before the FA's period begins.

We will get a good sense of what the team is going to do in FA's and the draft by what they do in these areas.

I still say get rid of all the contracts you can this year, that will not effect the cap. There are no post June cuts this year so you can not push and cap hit off.

The team can free up alot of money by getting rid of some aging vets, who are not performing up to standards or who are hurt to often.

Then depending on what happens with the CBA, next year should be interesting.

I know people say if you cut the vets who will take there place. I think you have to get some second tiered FA's, and you have to start playing your young players.

This team is not going anywhere next year they may sneek into the playoffs, but thats it.

The team needs to get young and in a hurry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Forbes/MSNBC:

This may be hard to believe: In 2003, no pro sports team in the world was worth a billion dollars. By the end of 2008, there were 24.

The $1 billion-and-up club isn't particularly broad-based. Spearheaded by the Washington Redskins, which became the first NFL team to break the billion dollar barrier in 2004, the league now boasts 19 of 30 clubs valued above the magic number. The Redskins have since been surpassed by the Dallas Cowboys, whose lucrative merchandising business and (starting next season) new stadium have pushed their value to $1.6 billion.

Posted by: pasifikawv | January 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

1skinfan,

I applaud your post but I have a feeling you are about to get pounded.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Things are worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

Is anyone willing to pay 1.6 billion for the Cowboys in today's economy?

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 23, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I almost would rather something from daggarforracialjustice than the circle around nothing 1skinfan just posted...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I wish the District would raise enough funds and private donations to purchase the Redskins and make it a publicly owned entity like the Green Bay Packers. That way we get somewhat of a say in who the GM is. At least I think that's how it works there, you might have to be on their board or own stock in the team or something like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I wish we could. But the NFL banned public/city co-ownership. A lot of the new upstart leagues that want to get going in the next few years all seem to be into that concept of bringing back city/public ownership or allowing people to buy stock in teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Skins need to cut some aging vets to clear space, get younger. But I do fear for to much roster turnover. Getting younger is good, but you have to keep some continuity. The obvious cuts are MW53, CG96, JT55 and SS24. You have to at least try to restructure with a least a couple of these guys. PD93 is another candidate.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 23, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Things are worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

Is anyone willing to pay 1.6 billion for the Cowboys in today's economy?

Posted by: rich20ssu
Some dude just paid 1 Billion for the Dolphins for 95% ownership... I'm pretty sure the Cowboys could easily fetch 1.6...

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Things are worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

Is anyone willing to pay 1.6 billion for the Cowboys in today's economy?

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 23, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

If I had 1.6 billion to burn, I'd buy up the dallas cowboys. Move em to Mexico and change their name (bandits?). At least thats what I did in Madden some 5 years ago. It was quite entertaining. It also promoted the league going international!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

I don't think you need to keep continuity this year because you have no shot at the SB. Thats the goal, sneeking into the playoffs is not a goal in IMO.

Let the young guys build continuity this year and then next year you may have something. Otherwise you will have the same continuity problem next year when you have to cut the guys you did not cut this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I think in the end of the day Allen goes back to Oakland with or without Gruden...

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

1skinfan - I appreciate the effort, but there are more errors in you analysis than Vinny has draft picks. The generalizations you made, such as:

"When they mark the top college players most NFL teams are similar"

"Our needs were clearly WR. and tall ones"

"Our line was ok. Check the stats.",

"Most NFL team have the same board.",

"So up till now Vinny and Dan are doing the same thing every team does.",

"The only bad pick was the punter...",

and finally "So if we bring someone else in...a big name GM what will happen. The same thing. Same process."

...are all so patently false, it would take a short essay to provide every counter-argument against this analysis.

Sorry, there's a reason teams like Indianapolis and Pittsburgh constantly have an influx of young players that produce at pro-bowl levels. It has nothing to do with their GM's doing the "same thing" as everyone else in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

1skinfan also loves $12 beers....

Hey I like this rumor if for no other reason than it gives us all a new topic to sound really dumb about!

I mean lets be honest who wasn't stapling their eyes closed over: Rookie wideots....3/4 vs 4/3...JLC;s job skills...Zorn...etc...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I wish a diehard skins fan would waste 2-3 billion buying the cowboys and liquidate the franchise as quick as possible.

Sell off the new stadium property and buy a high school size stadium for them to play in. Trade every top player they have off to other teams for their worst players, sell the skins all their draft picks for the next 100 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

ummm...soldier boying, CL?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

cL,

The caps are looking good, I think they have a great shot at winning it all this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

flounder21, 1skinfan

You tell the truth. The both of you.

skinfan is right: I remember thinking last year, "The Skins need a big receiver and some young interior lineman."

Then, they went out and got too much of one and not enough of the other.

Hopefully, they'll deal with the linemen deficiency in the same way this year.

flounder is totally on poit about figuring out what the FO wants to do by who they cut.

Trust me, Moe loves the team, not the players, and if a guy is traded or cut in the name of a youth movement, so be it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

I don't think you need to keep continuity this year because you have no shot at the SB. Thats the goal, sneeking into the playoffs is not a goal in IMO.

Let the young guys build continuity this year and then next year you may have something. Otherwise you will have the same continuity problem next year when you have to cut the guys you did not cut this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya Flounder. But the thing is, this team has done the whole huge roster turnover thing in the past and its bitten them in the ace. If they were going to do this with a plethora of draft picks vs the 06 FA class, I would be all for it. But they have 4 f*&^%ng picks... So if they have huge roster TO this offseason, its going to be FA's not lots of draft picks.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

VA,

True that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"ummm...soldier boying, CL?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse"

A hip hop dance the kids were doing about a year ago...subbed it for "dancing" as in "in the streets" just trying to keep my flow fresh my man!

@Flounder: Caps are sick...my fave thing in Pro Sports! Love'em! But you know the Caps and post season...we will have to see how it plays out...but rest assured I will rooting my little heart out!

Ovetchkin > than any Redskins star in 20 years....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why we didn't throw huge gobs (that's right, GOBS) of cash at the Pioli dude!?!

Seriously!

And if your answer is "Vinny has a plan", screw that plan throw it out. His one-year old plan could've been tossed aside for someone who will 100% have a better plan and will at the least SHOW that he has a plan.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

ah - OK - I missed that one!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"didn't snyder-boy just put a bunch of people out on the streets due to "extraordinary economic times"...and now the rumor is that he's going to shell out GM dollars...

This man has ZERO integrity. The man can make it work for himself to make money and that is all. Football owners need to be leaders, Daniel Snyder is not a leader. Daniel Synder's teams will never respect or play at a Championship level for him because they don't respect him. What his players will do is smack him on the a** after they're done with him and say "Thanks baby, that loot tastes great"...

Posted by: jbrady84"

oh WAHH WAHH a businessman is treating his business like a business WAHHH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why we didn't throw huge gobs (that's right, GOBS) of cash at the Pioli dude!?!


Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:14 AM


Amen, Truth. That's why I'm all but done with this team...they continue to give us a turd and tell us it's Snickers. Pioli would have flushed all that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Truth,

Hell if Redskins One was broken down, I would have driven Snyder to NE to get Pioli.

I think Pioli would have wanted complete control and that is something Snyder is not willing to give yet. Hopefully he wises up one day and realizes the only way they are going anywhere is for him to take up golf and leave the football stuff to a football man.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why we didn't throw huge gobs (that's right, GOBS) of cash at the Pioli dude!?!

Seriously!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I think the answer is that Danny doesn't want to admit to any blame in the teams misfortunes.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 23, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why we didn't throw huge gobs (that's right, GOBS) of cash at the Pioli dude!?!

Seriously!

Posted by: TheTruth11

----

Because Snyder wants to win his way. Nobody else's. When the Redskins win, Snyder wants to have credit in the victory.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"I wish a diehard skins fan would waste 2-3 billion buying the cowboys and liquidate the franchise as quick as possible.

Sell off the new stadium property and buy a high school size stadium for them to play in. Trade every top player they have off to other teams for their worst players, sell the skins all their draft picks for the next 100 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 "

Great idea, but I'm sure there has to be some kind of rules with the NFL that would keep that from ever happening. Doesn't the NFL have to approve every trade anyway?

I think it would be impossible and probably illegal to do it so blatantly as you put it. But you could do it quietly....actually I think Jerruh Jones IS doing it quietly. Dude is sabatoging that team hardcore!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

NFL = Not For Long... just one year ago Gruden and Allen got extensions...

In the wake of the franchise's second division title in three seasons, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Tuesday rewarded general manager Bruce Allen and head coach Jon Gruden with three-year contract extensions through the 2011 season.

Both men were entering the final year of their respective contracts with the team and, at the outset of the 2007 season, there was considerable speculation their jobs might be in jeopardy if Tampa Bay finished out of the playoffs.

The Bucs responded by capturing the NFC South with a 9-7 record, rallying from a last-place finish and a 4-12 mark in 2006, while laying the groundwork for a solid future. Tampa Bay was able to claim the division title despite a dramatic roster overhaul that featured five new starters on the defensive side and a new quarterback in free agent Jeff Garcia.

Although the Bucs were eliminated by the New York Giants in the divisional round of the playoffs, Gruden and Allen have replenished the roster by infusing much needed youth, and were able to overcome injuries to key performers.

Allen said earlier this month that the club will head into the upcoming free agency signing period about $23 million under the salary cap.


Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Financial details of the contracts were not available, but the extensions were hardly a surprise, with Bucs management indicating immediately after the season that new deals would be negotiated with the two men. Gruden earned about $4.3 million in 2007.

Gruden and Allen were attending Senior Bowl workouts in Mobile, Ala., and unavailable for comment.

Gruden, 44, has compiled a 51-50 record, including playoff games, in six seasons with the Bucs. The highlight of his tenure, of course, was a Super Bowl XXXVII victory in 2002. Since that championship, the Bucs are only 36-44 in the regular season. But they have twice won division crowns, both times after finishing last the previous season, and this year's reshaping of the roster seems to have set Tampa Bay up well for the future.

Before joining the Bucs in 2002, in essentially a trade in which Tampa Bay surrendered four high-round draft picks and $8 million in cash, Gruden was the Raiders' head coach. He compiled a 40-28 record in four seasons with Oakland from 1998-2001.

Allen worked with Gruden in Oakland and joined him in Tampa Bay in 2004. During his nine seasons with the Raiders, Allen, who has a strong background in salary cap management and contract negotiations, was named the league's executive of the year in 2002. Allen was actually a senior administrator with Oakland in 2002 when the Gruden-led Bucs defeated the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII.

The two men have a strong and longstanding working relationship, and that has been key to talent acquisition for the Bucs, and to the ongoing upgrading of the roster.

Allen is the son of Hall of Fame head coach George Allen.

Last week, the Bucs signed all three of their coordinators -- Monte Kiffin (defense), Bill Muir (offense) and Richard Biaaccia (special teams) -- to contract extensions.

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

power rankings = mock draft?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why we didn't throw huge gobs (that's right, GOBS) of cash at the Pioli dude!?!

Seriously!

Posted by: TheTruth11

Dude 'cause Pioli's racketball game is too fierce, he would make Dan feel bad about himself. And mainly 'cause Pioli knows how to say get the F*&^ outa the kitchen Danny!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 23, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I would be happy if Woody Allen was taking Cerrato's job, couldnt be worse.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | January 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

speaking of mock drafts, Don Banks has PHILLY taking KNOWSHON ROCKWELL MORENO

I hope to god he doesn't go to any NFC BEast teams! I'll cry!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

DECATUR, Ala. (AP) -- New York Giants receiver Taye Biddle is recovering from gunshot wounds to his hand and leg after being shot while visiting family in his hometown.

Decatur police said in a statement Thursday that Biddle was shot outside a residence and was treated and released from a hospital. Police said there was no evidence Biddle caused or provoked the shooting.

"He had surgery on his hand today," Biddle's friend, Bruce Jones, told The Decatur Daily Thursday. "He told me his leg is OK, and he ought to be fine."

The 25-year-old Biddle grew up in Decatur and played college football at the University of Mississippi.

Police have not made any arrests in the case.

Biddle was promoted from the Giants' practice squad after receiver Plaxico Burress was suspended for a game in September.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Biddle was promoted from the Giants' practice squad after receiver Plaxico Burress was suspended for a game in September.


Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Conspiracy theorists unite

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

also, Cowgirls are giving up a roster spot for training camp next spring to...

...whoever wins the new Dallas Cowgirls reality TV Show hosted by Micheal Irvin. I kid you not. Hopefully he doesn't stab anyone in the neck.

Link (cause it's too long to post)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/super-bowl/01/22/cowboys.ap/index.html


makes me wanna puke

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Synopsis found on TB Blog:

Rich McKay was the GM 1993 to 2003. From 1985 to 1994, Tampa Bay compiled a record of 43–116, a paltry .270 winning percentage, including 10 consecutive double-digit losing seasons. During McKay tenure here Tampa Bay won better than 60% of their games. Rich McKay was about winning at all costs, literally. He brought the personel here needed to win a championship. McKay drafted have developed into NFL stars on the field, several have also been Pro Bowl performers from a charitable standpoint, as well. However, this greatness did not come cheap. With heavily backloaded contracts, major trades offs, and no regard for long term consequences McKay built himself a championship team.

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The Caps post reference allows Moe to interject a non-football issue: baseball.

Has anyone looked at the names of the unsigned major leaguers: Manny, K. Griffey jr., et al.?

There are some quality baseball guys out there without jobs so close to Feb.

Wazzup wid dat?

Maybe the Rays and the Bush economy have teams thinking you can win with youth, speed, and low rent quality players.

Sounds like some big name guys are gonna have to take a pay cut to play ball this season.

So if the money spreading Yanks don't win it all this year--something that's not gonna happen as they don't have good interior defense (Jeter's done, folks) despite the pitching--will folks call them idiots or morons?

I like 'moron' as it sounds like Moe.

And Moe is a life long moronic Yanks fan.

Winning with youth, speed, and low rent quality players: Hey, wait a minute, that is an issue in this blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

However, despite his championship level team, McKay and company could not get a championship higher than divisional. Enter Jon Gruden (who cost the Bucs even more future selections). Before Gruden arrived the Bucs had the fifth worse offense in the league and only divisional champ hats. By 2003 they were top 10, had 24-12 record (including playoffs), an NFC Championship, and most importantly,a Lombardi trophy. But in the six seasons since their Championship, the Bucs have a sub-.500 record under Gruden, and no playoff wins.

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

One may try to push this on Rich McKay leaving the bucs, and Gruden, with their hands tied. With a horrible cap situation, lost of picks and thus young talent, and a sacrifice of the future Gruden and the organization were bleeding internally. Enter Bruce Allen, cap guru. While McKay treated the cap with an ax Allen used a scalpal. Allen seemed to be the counter the universe created to balance out McKay. He quite simply sacrificed now to insure a future. Known for trading for a pick whenever he could, incredibly detailed and insentive based contracts, and never breaking a bank for one player, Allen has put the bucs in one of the greatest cap position it has ever seen. However, the other side of the sword is leaving the bucs ailing in many positions for personel, including the crucial QB position.

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Truth

You like Moreno?

If he or Rey Maualga is there at pick 13, which guy do you take?

I'm taking Maualga and giving him M. Washington's old job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

definitely take Mauluaga over Moreno

but KNOWSHON ROCKWELL MORENO is my boy and I just don't want him on any NFC Beast team balling out against us

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

moe, I'm THRILLED that man-ram is still unemployed, nicely done by himself and that soul-less basturd Borass. All Manny did was cost himself money.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Truth

You like Moreno?

If he or Rey Maualga is there at pick 13, which guy do you take?

I'm taking Maualga and giving him M. Washington's old job.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 10:42 AM |

mista,

Truth went to Georgia he loves everyone from there.

If this team took Moreno, I'm pretty sure I would sh!t myself on my couch.

Not because he is not a good player, but because the last thing we need is another running back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

flound, agreed, both those picks would cause me to vomit.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Truth went to Georgia he loves everyone from there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 10:46 AM

Truth went to Charleston College. His "University" of Georgia thing stems from confusion. He really loves Georgia Tech, but he gets confused.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

No updates on this supposed rumor? Who talks to this tubby clown anyway?

Posted by: Devo2 | January 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Gruden = Coattail coach.
He won early with McKay/Dungee's players then saw things fall apart as he and Allen began to mold the team.

Much like Norville Turner in San Diego.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Truth went to Charleston College. His "University" of Georgia thing stems from confusion. He really loves Georgia Tech, but he gets confused.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I fart in your general direction.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think DIck Chaney did it.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Detroit takes #1 overall Matthew Stafford

Detroit takes with their second 1st rounder Knowshon Rockwell Moreno

Detroit takes in the 2nd round WR Mohammad Massaquoi

Detroit takes in the 5th round FB Brannon Sutherland


Detroit Lions go undefeated.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Manny is my dawg, but he better sign with someone soon b/c I want him to be one of my Keepers in my fantasy baseball league...

If Manny was smart he would reup with Dodgers....

Manny will sign 1 year deal with Yankees....you heard it here first!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No updates on this supposed rumor? Who talks to this tubby clown anyway?

Posted by: Devo2

Nobody talks to him, he just probably saw that Mike Florio posted it yesterday afternoon...

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ALLEN TO LAND WITH THE REDSKINS?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2009, 3:32 p.m. EST
One of the rumors making the rounds at the Senior Bowl is that former Bucs G.M. Bruce Allen could land with the Washington Redskins.

Allen’s father, George, coached the team from 1971 to 1977. Current owner Dan Snyder, who was five when Allen arrived and 12 when he left, grew up as a Redskins fan.

Currently, Vinny Cerrato is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations for the Redskins, and it’s unknown how Bruce Allen would fit within the current structure.

Earlier this month, the Redskins laid off at least 20 employees.

Posted by: nagoose | January 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Detroit Lions go undefeated.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Just like the Bulldogs did, huh?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Detroit takes #1 overall Matthew Stafford
Detroit takes with their second 1st rounder Knowshon Rockwell Moreno
Detroit takes in the 2nd round WR Mohammad Massaquoi
Detroit takes in the 5th round FB Brannon Sutherland
Detroit Lions go undefeated.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Detroit lures Herschel Walker and Domonique Wilkins out of retirement. Lions and Pistons go undefeated.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

It almost doesn't matter WHO gets hired around here anymore. As long as Danny's around Cerrato will be around. And no one can work to their full capacity with those two idiots breathing down your neck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

bruce allen is not what this team needs. if you look back at the last five years or so the allen/gruden combo did nothing. at least not much more than the redskins did in that same time span. generally the buccaneers finished about where the redskins finished except in a weaker division. their defense which is to be credited to kiffen and even dungy was the only thing that kept them in the hunt. they've not sent many players to the pro bowl other than the normal popular derrick brooks and rhonde barber and given a healthy stable of short yet capable running backs they were never a good running team ( more grudens fault than allens). issue two everyone in the world has known for years now that we needed and still need true pure pass rushers so the three draft picks last year was kind of a waste at least one of them was. nobody complained before because g. williams blitzed from the corners and hid the lack of a line rush. erasmus james is reportedly interested in playing for the team.and finally. we don't need a big youth movement just in pass protection and maybe one big slobberknocker to plug up the middle of the run lanes on defense i actually prefer my d,ends to have a little seasoning on them. hint to haynesworth. we fell apart midway through the season for two simple reasons. no protection for campbell and no options down field for him. if we have the options we're halfway there

Posted by: nflorida1 | January 23, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Allen is an experienced personnel executive with a track record of success in the draft and free agency.

One cannot imagine Allen joining the Redskins to work for Vinny Cerrato.

If Allen comes in, look for Cerrato to be shifted to a Team President or other puffed up title that carries little actual responsibility.

I think with Allen on board and 2 years of prudent cap management and success in the draft that the Redskins can re-make the roster from one that is the oldest in the NFC to a team back on the rise.

Sometimes knowing who to RELEASE is as important as it is who to ACQUIRE.

Those hard decisions are only going to be made by an executive who has real confidence in his abilities to take the heat from the media for any potential failures or ground lost.

Just look at Bill Parcells.

He wasn't in the building for more than a week when it was decided that Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor were NOT going to be part of the answer in Miami given their age and injury status.

Similar decisions need to be made here on a host of players that have been 'sacred cows' over the past 3-4 years.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 23, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

is it me or are we mistaking dan snyder for jerry jones?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I am sure if we get Allen, then he will come down with dementia on first day of training camp and be lost for the season :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"The only familiar face in the audience was Redskins head coach Jim Zorn."

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009practice3.php

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Lockenfatter.... You have know inside sources because the Redskins don't like you. The Post would be smart to use someone else as there insider and they might be kept in the loop about things.

All the Daniel Snyder and Vinny haters need to go and suck a big fat EGG!!!! Suck it!

This team has not had any problems off the field like most others and they haven't taken shots at each other when things don't go right. Personel must be doing something right?

Go Skins!!!!

Posted by: punchdaclock | January 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Detroit takes #1 overall Matthew Stafford

Detroit takes with their second 1st rounder Knowshon Rockwell Moreno

Detroit takes in the 2nd round WR Mohammad Massaquoi

Detroit takes in the 5th round FB Brannon Sutherland


Detroit Lions go undefeated.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 10:56 AM

Sounds like Redskins North -- Another team hoping to win with no offensive line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Manny is def that dude... love the posing after the home runs and everything. I find it hilarious when he stares at it leaving the yard, glances at the pitcher, stares at the ball again, and slowly trots to 1st base.

Swag at its finest.

Cracks. Me. Up.

He brings a different style to baseball, swag if you will. None of that "gee golly wow, I just hit a home run, but i don't want to celebrate and make the pitcher mad beacuse he might hit me with the ball" gutless nonsense.

No pitcher would have the gonads to beam him anyway.


Truth, who cares about UGA? You're a Bobcats fan right? I would be reppin' them right now.

Basketball like football is DEAD in D.C.

F it, go caps.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who follows Tampa Bay actually got any of the skinny on why Bruce Allen was fired in the first place?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Please god.......please let this be true!

Posted by: Jahswim | January 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Saying that Allen is better than Vinny is called "damning with faint praise."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Yoder-lay-he-who, thx for the info ... note to Skins FO braintrust, go for the guy with the first and last names switched:

"# One player who has a ton of buzz this week among all the scouts from what I have been told is Ole Miss DT Peria Jerry. He is so extremely quick, stays low to the ground, and uses great technique. I have been very impressed with him, and after the Senior Bowl it wouldn't shock me if everyone has him in their first round of their mock. He's been that good and has really balled."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Saying that Allen is better than Vinny is called "damning with faint praise."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

...and being the best personel guy on the Redskins is like being the prettiest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

He's been that good and has really balled."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if he has hair. Can he play???

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

No problem, the article says Skin officials interviewed Clay Matthews and Patrick Chung that day. I don't take too much stock in this, because most teams probably interview all the players they can. I found it funny however, that the Skins were interviewing another safety. Matthews could be a solid value pick later in the draft though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Moron at the Helm beware!!!
Redskins officials were convinced the team was not good enough to reach the playoffs again, Cerrato decided otherwise and spent about $30 million to rework contracts, keeping the team together at steep salary cap costs.

"All I read was how Vinny was going to do the right thing and build through the draft," an NFC executive said. "How do you build through the draft when you trade half your picks for guys at the end of their career? So what's the plan there? Is there a plan there? From the outside it's hard to see one."

So obvious except everyone inside Redskins park....so dam frustrating!

Fire the ignoramus already, if you take raw statistic of W:L with Vinny its something like 39-50. Should tell u enough...consistent problems year after year...after awhile you need to look at a position higher than the Head coach as the problem as that position hasn't remained consistent. There has been one constant...and its:
Vinny "The Baboon" Cerrato -- like a monkey manning a 100 million dollar piece of equipment...didnt work for NASA and it aint workin for the skins!

Posted by: lsx981 | January 23, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen as GM only works if Cerrato is sent packing.

I think Cerrato uses a defective Magic 8-Ball to draft players and it shows.

Bye bye Vinny - I hope you land in Dallas.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | January 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I hope vinny ends up running a overseas football team in a crappy country like Darfur

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

PS I know Darfur is not a country (technically)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

psps23

Not to be rude...but thats what I mean. A new GM will not do anything new or better here.

But as far as my analysis.
There are 3 boards

One board just names the best players top to bottom. (Most NFL teams have just about the same board here)

Another board names the needs of your own team. OT, DE....and so on

Then it's based on your GM or team philosophy....do we draft best available or draft for need. Then they go down the board.

Let's say Calvin Johnson was coming out this year.

Lions are first and Kansans is second.

They both have Calvin Johnshon #1 on their boards.

Now it comes down to the team and the GM to what they do. Do they look at their other board and draft for need or draft the best rated player they have on their board.

Most NFL teams have the same board give and take a couple of spaces.

For some reason players come to Washington and don't play well....free agents included. Put Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly on the Eagles. I want someone to please tell me the woun't have better numbers then they did in Washington. who's fault is that coach? Vinny? Synder?

Note: Vinny and Synder gave a young QB and a young coach good fire power with Santana and coley already here....our FO gave a coach 2 tall WR and a very skilled TE.

Now please tell me what coach would not want that. I would love to coach a team like that if my front office gave me all those weapons.

oh yeah then they gave me a lineman in the 3rd round.....wow...

Ask yourself would any other coach be mad at a draft like that. Then you had Horton and the other safety do well....common

I don't have the answers but Snyder and Vinny are not the problem.

Please tell me why would it be wrong to get Peppers or Albert Hansy..

Peppers just came off his best year 14 sacks but for some reason I promise you if we bring him to Washington he will not do good. So is that Synders fault.

But put peppers on another team and he'll play fine. I don't have the answers but our Front office and owner give us opportunities.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

i saw ron wolf having dinner at the boatyard bar & grill in annapolis last night!!! sign him over allen or vc any day!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 23, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Can't we come up with a plan to kidnap Vinnie - Call it "RI's Revenge" - The plan could be posted on the WIKI and all could provide input - no one would suspect...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21

Great post. We need more people like you telling the basic truth!

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh fine! The son of "Nixon with a whistle".
If he is anything like George Jr. we can do without him. What about Ron Wolf?

Posted by: chopin224 | January 23, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Jon DeNunzio: Ivan and Jason's roles are different, by design. The Post's tradtional beat reporter for the Redskins is Jason Reid. Jason La Canfora is in a non-traditional role of reporter/blogger/Jasno. That creates incongruities to some at times, but I think he handles it well ...

I thought this was a very interesting response to a question bashing Jasno during yesterday's sports chat. Jasno is not the beat reporter. Who knew.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

+++Vinny "The Baboon" Cerrato -- like a monkey manning a 100 million dollar piece of equipment...didnt work for NASA and it aint workin for the skins!

Posted by: lsx981+++


Not to go all technical on you, but you ARE aware that the chimps NASA sent up were just passengers, not crewmen, right?

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

+++corky, in a previous post, you stated that Hall was looking for a big payday, and that Rogers was so upset, so, "PO'ed" as you put it that he wants to leave+++.--BEANTOWN

What I SAID was Rogers was POed at being mistreated. Specifically, he expressed enormous upset at being benched. I believe the words were to the effect of “I aint a backup to nobody.”

Okay, you got me. I can’t PROVE Hall is looking for a big payday. I also can’t PROVE the sun came up today, Cheney is the Anti-Christ, or that an NFL player who gives up an enormous contract to go to work for near vet minimum does so to get a BIG CONTRACT--but it’s the way to bet.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

+++I'd love for nothing more than to drop a huge, steaming #2 on both of them.

I'm glad I'm not a season ticket holder and live on the West Coast now, far away from their fan-raping.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop++


On behalf of the West Coast, let me say what an honor it is to have a class act like yourself out here.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

+++That way we get somewhat of a say in who the GM is.
Because...
the...
blog...
collective...
is...
a...
better...
judge...
of...
GM...
talent...?

Who knew?

Posted by: daggar++++

My Schnauzer is a better judge of GM talent than Snyder OR the “Blog Collective.” (Weren’t they a seventies Hair Band?)

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"Please, God, kick that turd Vinny Cerrato to the curb."

Lol, then the Skins might hire Chucky. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 23, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

+++For some reason players come to Washington and don't play well....free agents included. Put Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly on the Eagles. I want someone to please tell me the woun't have better numbers then they did in Washington. who's fault is that coach? Vinny? Synder?

Note: Vinny and Synder gave a young QB and a young coach good fire power with Santana and coley already here....our FO gave a coach 2 tall WR and a very skilled TE.

Now please tell me what coach would not want that. I would love to coach a team like that if my front office gave me all those weapons.

oh yeah then they gave me a lineman in the 3rd round.....wow...
Ask yourself would any other coach be mad at a draft like that. Then you had Horton and the other safety do well....common
I don't have the answers but Snyder and Vinny are not the problem.+++--#1Skinsfan

Oh, Good God. I've lost the will to live.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

1skinfan - Alright, I'll try to provide a civil response (I can be pretty abrasive at times).

"One board just names the best players top to bottom. (Most NFL teams have just about the same board here)"

This is 100% false. If this were the case, Devin Thomas would have been selected by St. Louis, not Donnie Avery. Teams constantly have differing opinions on who they feel the best players are.

"Then it's based on your GM or team philosophy....do we draft best available or draft for need."

Which is one of the major reasons why certain GMs completely differ from one another. There are plenty of other GMs that do not subscribe to the same GM philosophy that Vinny has, therefore a different GM would have different results.

"Put Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly on the Eagles. I want someone to please tell me the woun't have better numbers then they did in Washington."

That's the wrong comparison. The comparison you SHOULD be making is whether or not Devin Thomas would have a better year on the Eagles than DeSean Jackson did. That would be a true comparison of which team had the better draft selection.

"who's fault is that coach?"

The selection of Jim Zorn is a direct reflection on Cerrato and Snyder. They hand-picked him. If he fails, they fail.

"Ask yourself would any other coach be mad at a draft like that."

What they gave the coach were the talents that were already on the team (JC, Moss, Portis, Cooley, etc.), plus a bunch of bodies through the draft. If being a tall WR were enough to make it in the NFL, we would have kept Anthony Mix. Devin Thomas had more than enough snaps to make a contribution. He couldn't do it because of his own ability.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

continued...

"Peppers just came off his best year 14 sacks but for some reason I promise you if we bring him to Washington he will not do good. So is that Synders fault."

Yes. If he brings in someone unsuitable for this team, it's his fault (meaning Vinny's and Snyder's).

"oh yeah then they gave me a lineman in the 3rd round.....wow.."

One rookie lineman when you have 10 draft picks and 5 starting offensive linemen over the age of 30 (a couple of whom have been perennially injured) is not a positive thing.

"our FO gave a coach 2 tall WR and a very skilled TE. Now please tell me what coach would not want that."

One that is in desperate need of an offensive line that can give his QB time to find those WRs.

"I don't have the answers but Snyder and Vinny are not the problem."

They are the exact source of the problem. They brought in Jim Zorn, they selected 3 pass-catchers with their 1st 3 picks, their first 9 draft picks had zero impact on the team, they traded away 3 future draft picks for Erasmus James (now cut) and Jason Taylor (soon to be cut), they extended the contract of our least valuable starting offensive lineman making him uncuttable (Jansen), and the list goes on. They are the source of everything with the Redskins. When something goes wrong, it always points back to them (similarly if something goes right, which has been pretty sparse lately).

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

This man:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Moore_Making_the_Transition_31424.jsp

needs to step up and be our FS, and allow Dirty 30 to get down in the box and knock some skulls.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Brown,

If Washington DC had any money they might try fixing there crappy schools, or fixing the mammoth pothole I drove over today, the thing looked more like a ditch then a pothole.

Besides with the exception of the name, the Skins really have nothing to do with Washington. They train in VA and play in Maryland.

But I understand were your coming from, I think everybody would love a new owner but I think we are stuck with Snyder until he dies. The problem with that is he is not very old, and he's rich so I'm sure he's got good doctors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, too bad RI doesn't have a grammar check. Not sure where to start (then/than, your/you're, where/were).

Posted by: dadanimal | January 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Why are you wasting time arguing with a casual fan like 1skinsfan who clearly has a surface understanding of the NFL. My mom loves the skins, I don't doubt that, but she is also clueless about how the NFL works and her involvement is she like to root/watch/the drama...

1skinsfan=my mom...which is cool. Bit I learned not to agrue with my mom about skins/FB too....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

chrisLARRy=bad typer/speller...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Clearly I do it for entertainment purposes. It's a Friday, why waste my time on work?

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, too bad RI doesn't have a grammar check. Not sure where to start (then/than, your/you're, where/were).

Posted by: dadanimal | January 23, 2009 12:56 PM |

Why don't you start by taking you English critique and sticking it where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I have a chubby!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

we should of gotten the tuna when we had the chance ...

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | January 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, lol.

Just aks Jasno about the spell checker! hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

if the rumors are true, "Finally" a real
General Manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: madalao | January 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, lol.

Just aks Jasno about the spell checker! hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 23, 2009 1:05 PM |

Look I know my spelling and grammar suck, but I don't need someone to tell me.

Spell check would be a nice feature.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

No, Lil, noooo!

Please no more ex Gints/Cowturds on my team!! hehehe

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 23, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

1skinfan,

I applaud your post but I have a feeling you are about to get pounded.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 9:52 AM
==============================================
I played in a league where your players had the stats from their previous year, and then the computer would simulate your games against the other teams. That meant you didn't have to worry about how old they were (until next year).

I wonder if Vinnie and Danny played in a league like that.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, Good God. I've lost the will to live"

Time to celebrate!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

CL,
Can I argue with your mom then? I may actually be able to win an argument for once.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the "Danny is Dead" rumors are false after all.

Posted by: hz9604 | January 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons I like my Mac is that it does a spell check in Safari and highlights misspelled words. Not that I always fix em.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more with psps23....actually wanna thank him for saving all of us time on the rebuttal to the Pop warner coach! I hope we make a transition into having a GM...even if it means another year of Vinny, followed by another demotion to water boy. If the skins have ever taught me anything...its Patience, which literally complements our Owner's Impetuous nature. Just the thing that upsets me the most I'm sure we coulda saved atleast 5 of those recent "Layoffs" by simply canning Cerrato. Just so anti cerrato at this point....eh

Posted by: lsx981 | January 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Truth, who cares about UGA? You're a Bobcats fan right? I would be reppin' them right now.

Posted by: RedDMV"

You wanna talk about the Charlotte BEASTCats buddy!?! LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHARLOTTE BEASTCATS PAL!

You step to BORIS DIAW and ya gonna get DIAW'ED!!!

IN YOUR FACE RED

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"
Hey Brown,

If Washington DC had any money they might try fixing there crappy schools, or fixing the mammoth pothole I drove over today, the thing looked more like a ditch then a pothole.

Besides with the exception of the name, the Skins really have nothing to do with Washington. They train in VA and play in Maryland.

But I understand were your coming from, I think everybody would love a new owner but I think we are stuck with Snyder until he dies. The problem with that is he is not very old, and he's rich so I'm sure he's got good doctors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 23, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, too bad RI doesn't have a grammar check. Not sure where to start (then/than, your/you're, where/were).

Posted by: dadanimal "

lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"So this guy has never been a GM?

So whats his history other than being the Son of a great coach?

I would not be too excited unless he was a proven GM...Unless he takes over as "GM" and not just added to the FO.....

Posted by: leevi98 | January 22, 2009"

He started his NFL front office career with the Washington Redskins. The Redskins car he had use of was "repossessed" suddenly when his father pulled his "stunt" and suddenly, without warning once again became head-coach of the Rams. His father is the main reason the non-tampering rules exist today in the NFL. If there was anyone who was going to take unethical advantage of any angle ... it was George Allen.


As Virginians have come to know, his son George is much the same way ... :)

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Ah Snidely you impetuous young boy ...

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"if the rumors are true, "Finally" a real
General Manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: madalao | January 23, 2009"


I guess I strongly disagree. It harkens back to a time that left a bitter taste Edward Bennett Williams mouth ... and many Redskins fans.

The guy deactivated Sonny for the superbowl and wouldn't even let him on the sidelines. He was forced to stay up in the booth.

NO ALLENS AGAIN at Redskins Park THANK YOU VERY MUCH. As Nancy Reagan said back in the day, JUST SAY NO.

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Peppers just came off his best year 14 sacks but for some reason I promise you if we bring him to Washington he will not do good. So is that Synders fault."

Again, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!! Doesn't anyone here read? Or did you skip that subject in school? The guy wants to leave Carolina because they run a 4-3 defense. He wants to play in a 3-4. The Redskins also run a 4-3. Now, why would he come here when he could stay there? He's from there, he's a hometown boy!? Sheesh

FORGET PEPPERS he isn't coming.

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Devin Thomas had more than enough snaps to make a contribution. He couldn't do it because of his own ability.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009"

No, he couldn't do it because of his ATTITUDE. Yet another receiver who would rather be a rap star? We seem to be good at picking those ...

He seems to have plenty of ability, as did Lloyd, Gardner, Michael Westbrook, etc. The
question is does he have character? So, far the answer would seem to be not enough.

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"On behalf of the West Coast, let me say what an honor it is to have a class act like yourself out here.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009"

Be happy to throw in a radioactive, steamy, Homer Simpson #2 from Diablo Canyon into the mix ...

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not even going to pretend to know, or want to know what that means..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"No, he couldn't do it because of his ATTITUDE. Yet another receiver who would rather be a rap star? We seem to be good at picking those ...

He seems to have plenty of ability, as did Lloyd, Gardner, Michael Westbrook, etc. The
question is does he have character? So, far the answer would seem to be not enough.

Posted by: periculum"


You kinda just pulled that outta your butt.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Amazing, but not surprising, 842 people in unison, crossing their fingers, saying PLEASE!! PLEASE!! PLEASE!!

Posted by: 1of9000 | January 23, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Peppers...?

If you bash the FO for bringing in aging guys at the end of their careers, you don't turnaround and blog your hope that they bring in J. Peppers.

If Allen is coming here, it might signal that the FO is seeing the franchise's financial issues through the green-monied lens of the tight economy. It means shed old guys and go young and fast.

It means that the Skins might finally take the smart road and start 'training up' guys to be the free agents that other teams want at the end of their careers.

It means that the same fanbase that wants to win-now might have to be patient while the team slowly recovers from some of its personnel mistakes.

One way to turnaround your hopes is for the franchise to around how it acquires players. Moe says, "No" to Peppers.

The possible Bruce Allen hiring gives Moe the sense that the ol' Fantasy Football style of Redskins management might be headed out the door.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

i wil makee sertain too stick said critique were sunshine do'nt shine.

Posted by: dadanimal | January 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Space Ghost for GM.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The possible Bruce Allen hiring gives Moe the sense that the ol' Fantasy Football style of Redskins management might be headed out the door.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:13 PM
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And when they pick Brandon Pettigrew - TE, Oklahoma State with their 1st rounder, Moe?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

just saw video on Orakpo, please let us draft this dude. Looks like he is going to be a beast. Let us get him at 13

Posted by: fbailey | January 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Space Ghost for GM.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 2:18 PM
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Seconded!!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

He couldn't do any worse

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think that Orakpo has 'justin tuck' written all over him. I think he has the ability to be that kind of player.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"The only familiar face in the audience was Redskins head coach Jim Zorn."

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2009practice3.php

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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Not that it means anything but that article says we interviewed Patrick Chung (S - Oregon) and Clay Matthews (OLB - USC). I still say we grab Maualuga if he's there @ 13 and the top OTs and Raji are already gone.

Also, if Snyder is even talking to Allen about a position in the FO, hopefully it means he realizes what's in there now isn't quite working. Hopefully.

Posted by: countystyle | January 23, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

*yawn*

Posted by: RedDMV | January 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Kiper has the Skins picking Orakpo at 13.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

fbailey

I agreed with the Orakpo-Texas selection up until I remembered reading somewhere that Vinny felt three players:

Chris Wilson
Alex Buzbee
Rob Jackson

Should all be given a shot at d-end, especially Jackson from last year.

Too, factor in: what do you do with Carter/Taylor if you burn a high pick and give a lot of money to Orakpo to play the same position?

It tells me that Vinny's ego is doing is sense of thinking doggey-style as a young high 1st pick is better in one hand than the potential of late round picks and undrafted guys in another.

That's why if a strong rt is not there at 13, Moe senses the Skins will take Rey Maualga-lb USC, cut M. Washington and move on.

The fanbase will howl--up until the guy sacks Romo-the-homo a couple of times.

Then, they'll all say, "I told you so."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Space Ghost for GM.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 23, 2009"

Since we're "west coasting" today. How about the original "Space Ghost", Scott McLeod, UBI's "Space Angel" originally contrived in Cambria, California, for GM. He can have Taurus the Bull for Director of Personnel and Crystal Mace as his side kick and paramour. Redskins Park could move to the "Evening Star" space station in earth orbit.

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"It tells me that Vinny's ego is doing is sense of thinking doggey-style as a young high 1st pick is better in one hand..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:34 PM

I prefer the cowgirl and to have both hands full.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"It tells me that Vinny's ego is doing is sense of thinking doggey-style as a young high 1st pick is better in one hand..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:34 PM

I prefer the cowgirl and to have both hands full.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 23, 2009 2:44 PM

Me too, Red.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

beantown

Yeah, I like Orakpo, too.

I watched him in the Ohio State v. Texas game, and noticed he played both sides of the line, and mashed the starting rt to where State had to double team him.

But: I just don't think the Skins' FO will draft him. To do so would be a passive-aggressive way of admitting they were mistaken about the Carter/Taylor trades and drafting Rob Jackson last year.

Plus: factor in Philip Daniels-de returning from injury.

To bring in Orakpo means the sal cap knife is gonna hit somebody--who...?

And when have the Skins responded to personnel issues in a way that indicted they know they were wrong?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I know there's some deep character flaw to blame for this, but I can't read that dude's name without thinking it's "Okrapo."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

That's why if a strong rt is not there at 13, Moe senses the Skins will take Rey Maualga-lb USC, cut M. Washington and move on.

The fanbase will howl--up until the guy sacks Romo-the-homo a couple of times.

Then, they'll all say, "I told you so."

Posted by: MistaMoe

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I have no problem with certain teams selecting LBs high.

The Redskins are another matter.

How many times were MWashington and Rocky Macintosh sent on blitzes this season? How often did MWashington just get to unleash on the opposing QB, even when he was healthy? Why was it that Lavar Arrington -- a ridiculously athletic and talented perennial pro-bowler -- could not work in this system?

In a combined 10 years in this system, London Fletcher, Rocky Macintosh, and Marcus Washington have a combined for 25 sacks. That's 2.5 sacks per season. Linebackers don't make plays in this system. Drafting a linebacker that high would be a waste of a draft pick.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Picking Orakpo dispenses with the need to keep Taylor. That's $8+ mil off the books. I am all for getting rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year to late.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

psp, agreed, no way they draft maulauaga, I can't see that happening.

lh, if they drop Taylor, then use that money to bring in some depth/quality at the DT position, I could see Orakpo being the guy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JUST CURIOUS but can someone show me a link to PFT where they say Allen is being considered for GM here in Washington ???? I have been at the PFT site for a half hour and can not even find a mention of this. Thanks

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 23, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Picking Orakpo dispenses with the need to keep Taylor. That's $8+ mil off the books. I am all for getting rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year to late.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009"

Picking Orakpo means your QB gets thrashed because you really only have a center ... the rest of the OL is either coming off injuries are a lot older than Taylor. He is a pretty young 34 given that this is was his first serious injury.

You need to fix the OL with the meager 4 picks you have. Next year LB and the DL.

I think protecting a young QB and having a viable running game will help the defense a lot more than drafting for the defense. Let's face it with the 2 safeties drafted at first (both good choices) its way past time to draft offensive linemen in the upper 2 rounds. The last being Samuels way back in 2000. That's nine years ago.

Posted by: periculum | January 23, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Arrington wasn't a perennial pro bowler, he was only selected three times.

He had 11 sacks in the '02-'03 season...

Just 'cause I can, and I'm bored as hell...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 23, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

LaVar > Red

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Maualuga is overweight and many teams at the senior bowl were not impressed with him. I would prefer a pass rushing end or offensive tackle and maybe getting Maualuga's teammate Clay Mathews jr. later in the draft.

Posted by: Redskins001 | January 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If the top 4 O-tackles are off the board and you can't trade back to pick up a guard or center later in the 1st round, you take Orakpo if he is there and pray he turns out to be a Dwight Freeney/Justin Tuck Type.

F Jason Taylor and Springs at their current numbers. So sick of the high pay low production players.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The QB won't get thrashed if he makes quicker decisions with the ball. Less patting and more passing will lead to fewer sacks, knockdowns and hurries.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Arrington wasn't a perennial pro bowler, he was only selected three times.

He had 11 sacks in the '02-'03 season...

Just 'cause I can, and I'm bored as hell...

Posted by: RedDMV

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Arrington was drafted in 2000. From 2001-2003, he was a perennial pro-bowler. He had 11 sacks in 2002, and 21.5 sacks in his 4 years until that point, as well as 10 forced fumbles.

In 2004, Gibbs/Williams joined the Redskins. Under Williams' system, Arrington had a total of 2 sacks in 23 games. He had zero forced fumbles. He made zero pro bowls.

Williams'/Blache's system does not allow LBs to to be playmakers. They are strictly disciplined players that stick to assignments. The safeties and the defensive tackles are the true game-changers in this system. We have the safeties, now the upgrade on the defensive side of the ball should focus on DT.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If we would have kept Leigh Torrance and signed that CFL guy that Miami got we could challenge for the divison title next year..........

Posted by: Redskins001 | January 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"The QB won't get thrashed if he makes quicker decisions with the ball. Less patting and more passing will lead to fewer sacks, knockdowns and hurries.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

As well as more incompletions and interceptions. It's not like teams are sending 6-man blitzes to get to Campbell. This offensive line is letting 4-man rushes (and even a 2-man rush vs the Ravens) hit Campbell in under 2 seconds from the snap of the ball. That is a recipe for disaster (or greatness on the defensive side of the ball, as displayed by the '02 Buccaneers).

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"The QB won't get thrashed if he makes quicker decisions with the ball. Less patting and more passing will lead to fewer sacks, knockdowns and hurries.

Posted by: learnedhand1 "

but we don't want another Brunell

pat the ball, pat the ball, run right, pat the ball, run right, throw the ball away

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

psps23, peri, beantown

I'm not advocating drafting a linebacker for the sake of drafting a linebacker.

I'm just looking at how the Wizards of Redskins Park have behaved in the past and projected it onto the April draft.

I'd like the team to take a rt able to start on day one. Then give Rhino a shot at starting at lg. One other pick should go towards a guy who plays c and g. That's two starting linemen (one flexible) out of this draft.

But this group doesn't have the history of thinking practically. It likes the 'sexy' selections for cornerback wide receiver, and safety...

..and linebacker.

If they burned 2 picks for J. Taylor, you don't think they won't try to re-do his deal to give him more upfront money or defer what he's owed til the end of his contract so he has a lower cap number?

I do: that's their history. (see Portis/Jansen/Samuels)

And the Skins linebackers don't have sacks because in their system, that's the safety's/d-ends' job.

That's why Dirty 30 and Sean T. were so coveted by them as they had visions of sending The Reaper at q-backs while the 'backers held the mid field and Landry checked things deep--that's what the 'Cobra' coverage is, y'all.

When the defense melted last year, it was because teams explioted Rocky Mac's lack of coverage skills and ran straight at H Blades on the edges with success.

A run stopping linebacker, Rey Maualga-USC and Channing Crowder--young wlb- should be in the Skins' future.

See: I told you so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Redskins001

Clay Matthews will make a fine wlb...

...for some other team (like the pats/steelers--he's a 3-4 wlb).

Let's watch the game Sat before passing judgement on either of these guys for right now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

psps23

I'm not being rude!!!

Ok...wow. You should apply to the Redskins. Any position then come talk to me. Then you'll see what really goes on.

If you guys only really knew what goes on instead of just talking.

But I won't talk anymore. I'll let the stats talk.

Last year Washionton Redskins stats.

Defense: Ranked 8th in total Defense
Offense: Rankde 15th in total Offense

So right off the back if no one knows football and is just looking at stats they would say "wow this team need to improve in offense first"

Don't forget there are 32 teams in the NFL.

Points per game: ranked 18th
Yards per game: ranked 15th
Yards per play: ranked 20th
Fumbles lost: ranked 3rd...lol
Total TD's: ranked 19th
Rushing TD's: ranked 7th
Receiving TD's: ranked 20th out of 32
Sacks allowed: ranked 20th

Now lets get deeper. Stay with me.

In the NFC only
We play the teams in our division 2 times a year. So this part really matters. But I did the whole NFC.

Passing TD: ranked 14 out of 16
Points per game: ranked 12 out of 16
longest play : ranked 15 out of 16
Plays 40+ yrds: rankded 13 out of 16
*Sacks allowed: ranked 11 out of 16

*Meaning we gave up 29 sacks and the #1 team gave up 55.

This year (2008) in sacks were ranked 5th in the NFC. Big difference.

ok I'm sorry but I'll continue later. Have to go. But I'll finish it latter. No need to argue let just see the stats.

oh yeah real quick yes i agree it is the fault of Danny if Zorn fails. Personally I think it was and still is a stupid choice. I don't think he is a good choach but I'll finish later. Just take a look at the stats.

Courtesy of NFL.com, ESPN and Redskinds.


Posted by: 1skinfan | January 23, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

When the defense melted last year, it was because teams explioted Rocky Mac's lack of coverage skills and ran straight at H Blades on the edges with success.

A run stopping linebacker...should be in the Skins' future.

See: I told you so.

Posted by: MistaMoe

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I agree. However, it doesn't take a 1st round pick to find one. Although I also agree that I wouldn't put it past Cerrato to do it.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"... it doesn't take a 1st round pick to find one. Although I also agree that I wouldn't put it past Cerrato to do it."

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:59 PM

I know that, too. But, like I said: a well-known kid from a program with a name has meant more to them than a nameless, faceless guy who blocks well or stuffs the run.

We all seem to agree about what should happen.

But we Madden GMs are just that: mad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

January 2009 has the potential to be one of the greatest months in the history of Washington DC.

First, we get rid of George W. Bush.
Now, we may finally get rid of Vinny Cerrato.

What's next? Getting rid of charges to ride the Metro?

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

teams went after k warner.. philly knocked him around constantly.
BUT the huge difference was that warner got the ball out very quickly and burned them over and over again. he made hot read after hot read.
haley and warner were on the same page all game (despite the words on the sideline)
it was like watching violent ballet. if they can do it again against pittsburgh, they have a chance in the Super Bowl

coming back to the Redskins, it is obvious that Campbell has to be much quicker and more decisive in his reads. that is on him.
the other half is that the receivers have to be on the same page and run their routes with precision. as of now, neither our qb, nor our receivers are in the same league as the Card's. By all means, upgrade the offensive line this offseason. the more time he has, the better Campbell will be... but, it will still come down to Campbell and the receivers making plays next year

Posted by: shally | January 23, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

shally -

The big difference is that Warner has hot reads to go to because he was being blitzed.

When Campbell gets pressure from a 4-man rush, there is no hot read. 7 men are in coverage down the field for the defense. There are no spaces to exploit.

I agree that Campbell can speed up his decisions, but it will do no help until the offensive line can protect a 4-man rush. If they can do that, then the defense is forced to blitz, and that's when the quick decisions and hot reads come in handy. When the defense only has to rush 4 men to be successful, the defense can afford to jump routes, cover tightly, and still keep help over the top.

That's the entire premise of Monte Kiffin's and Tony Dungy's cover-2 defenses, and why the '02 Bucs were one of the greatest defenses in history. They were able to turn loose Simeon Rice and Warren Sapp, then keep their DBs and LBs back to feed off of the QBs rushed decisions. When our offensive line faltered towards the end of the season, that's exactly what happened to Campbell (the mistakes were minimized because of his cautious nature).

It all starts with the o-line.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE take the first step and GET A MANAGER , ANYBODY! It does not have to be Allen. ANYBODY can do better than VINNY!!!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | January 23, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Dear lord, I promise I will change my wicked ways.

If you convince Danny Snyder, to Give Bruce Allen a job, and get rid of Vinny.

It will be like that eye for an eye thingy.

Amen

Posted by: dashriprock | January 23, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

still no update on the story. La Confora SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kdjsgreen | January 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

+++Trust me, Moe loves the team, not the players, and if a guy is traded or cut in the name of a youth movement, so be it.

Posted by: MistaMoe+++

Only Skippy can talk in third person here without sounding pretentious.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

+++Whos fault is that. Is it Danny and Vinny. So if we bring someone else in...a big name GM what will happen. The same thing. Same process.

Posted by: 1skinfan |+++

Look I covered Hollywood most of my life. And since the Oscars were announced yesterday, let me compare it to that to explain the fallacy of your logic.

All GMs and not the same any more than all Directors and producers and moguls are the same.

So you have Ron Howard or Clint Eastwood or Sam Mendez or Steven Spielberg directing your movie, it's NOT the same thing as having some Video or commercial director, or the guy who directed SAW V.

Joel Silver and Harvey Weinstein produce and Mogul movies very very well. They are smarter, more savvy and more experienced. Maybe they have what is called a "Golden Gut." They KNOW what will work--most of the time.

So don't tell me the inept ownership and FOing of Snyder and Cerrato is the same as Bob Kraft and Scott Pioli of the Patriots.

That's the most illogical logic I've seen on this board and I've seen a TON.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder wanted to make a splash... he would of hired Scott Pioli or go after Bill Polian (not sure if he is available) ... but he wouldn't do it because they would want complete control & Danny wouldn't be able to play fantasy football.

When will he realize that it's not the coach, it's the talent between players 23-53 that are holding the Skins back because they have no depth or competition to raise the level of play on the field. Other teams have injuries & plug a guy in & keep going...

Posted by: tony325 | January 23, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

As well as more incompletions and interceptions. It's not like teams are sending 6-man blitzes to get to Campbell. This offensive line is letting 4-man rushes (and even a 2-man rush vs the Ravens) hit Campbell in under 2 seconds from the snap of the ball. That is a recipe for disaster (or greatness on the defensive side of the ball, as displayed by the '02 Buccaneers).

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 3:42 PM

Everything is so black and white with you. Nobody is asking the kid to throw without looking where he's throwing. You should talk to some QBs or QB coaches. When a QB comes to the line, he should be able to ID the coverage and have an idea where the ball needs to go (and where it shouldn't go) before the snap. Stop arguing for arguments sake. And I am telling you now that I will not address anything you say in a response that is sure to come so you can put this in your "win" column.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 23, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This is from a couple of days ago... but still a big question in my mind:
From JReid in today's chat:
As for (Ryan) Clark, well, don't blame Gregg Williams. No matter what a defensive coordinator, an offensive coordinator or a head coach think about a player, it ultimately comes down to the people making the player-personnel decisions. Yes, Joe Gibbs also held the title of team president, and Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder are actviely involved in any major player-personnel decisions. Read into that what you will.

From Les Carpenter's article in the 2006 "Lost Season" series:
Worse were the players Williams wanted in free agency: Archuleta and defensive end Andre Carter. Both were big-name players whose shortcomings had become more pronounced in recent seasons.

Archuleta was so bad a fit he was yanked from the starting squad in the middle of drills one day in November. Troy Vincent trotted out to replace him and Archuleta barely saw the field in ensuing weeks. And nobody has ever told him why, he said.

Williams said he had as much say as the rest of the people in the organization over which players the Redskins signed, meaning when a transaction happened it was because everybody agreed it was the right thing to do, not just him. But the perception among many personnel people in the NFL is that Williams was allowed to pick his defensive players and then implored Gibbs to force Vinny Cerrato, the team's vice president of football operations, to get those players.

Now, I don't claim to know the truth. It's quite possible things have changed since last year at this time. Maybe Cerrato sits on his dias in the Redskins Throne room (it's one stall down from JReid) and makes all the decisions himself now. But there is definitely something dissonant in these two descriptions.

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

(cont.):
Here is Jasno's description of the FO in 2006:
The Redskins use a unique front-office structure with a scouting arm led by vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and his staff evaluating players, Gibbs and the coaches grading the scouted players and Snyder determining the budget. Director of football administration Eric Schaffer handles the bulk of negotiations although, unlike most other NFL owners, Snyder interacts with agents directly at key moments of the process, according to numerous agents. The group eschews the draft and has shown a preference for building through trades and free agency.
The process for evaluating Lloyd, as with all Redskins acquisitions, began with Cerrato and his staff preparing reports on possible available wide receivers, considered a weak group. Those reports were distributed to coaches along with game film for each to study. The assistant coaches, Cerrato and Gibbs then assigned a grade to each player. Some coaches based their grades only on what they saw on film; others called friends around the league to get their input.

The rankings were discussed at meetings that usually began with Cerrato or Louis Riddick, director of pro personnel, giving a presentation on the players.

So -- question for Jasno -- what's the new process? Have you been to the throne room? Have you actually gotten to sit on the dias? I'm perfectly willing to believe that Cerrato's a modern day Col. Kurtz, because the results over the last decade have been unimpressive. But that process doesn't sound inappropriate, doesn't sound like the coaches have no say... did Cerrato put Thomas in front of Royal from the throne, or was it a consensus choice?

Posted by: daggar | January 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

IF this story is true, why does everyone think that Allen would replace Cerrato? What if he hires the guy, and has him report to Cerrato? And worse yet, VC has to approve all suggested transactions? (UGH!!!)
What if he puts the guy only in charge of 'salary-cap' issues?
No...I'm not being pessimistic, I'm just being realistic. We all know that Snyder has a long history of 'running the show', so he just is not going to discard his ever-loving buddy, nor is he going to let someone else make decisions at Redskins Park.

Posted by: al852 | January 23, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

+++Oh fine! The son of "Nixon with a whistle".
I

Posted by: chopin224+++

Well, he'll probably get along well with Coach Bush on a Bike.

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

+++I'm not even going to pretend to know, or want to know what that means..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

You weren't specific, so could you tell us which aspect of football, the Redskins, or life in general you are referring to?

Posted by: TheCork | January 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Wish all ya want....ain't happenin' GIs. NFW...NO WAY The Danny hires someone that KNOWS football. As Mayor Barry once said "GET OVER IT".

Posted by: bundy44 | January 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't chime in too often, but if this means a reduced role, or not role at all for Vinny then please let it be so. We're talking to you Daniel.

Posted by: coastallp74 | January 23, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I know Allen has a history with the Redskins, but bringing him to the organization at this point is the wrong move. If you're going to hire a GM, I say, promote Morocco Brown. He seems to have an eye for talent. Look at how teams raided the practice squad he assembled over the course of the entire season.

Posted by: JinxMan | January 23, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

he wrote this yesterday when is he getting back to us

Posted by: mudman220 | January 23, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Why not promote Morocco Mole from the cartoon archives? He's mad squinty.

Posted by: bostskin | January 23, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's see ...

Bruce Allen or Vinnie Cerato?

If we want a YES MAN to run football operations for Danny Boy, why don't we hire the best YES MAN in the world? I'm talking Jim Carrey! That way we will at least have somebody hilariously funny to laugh about while Danny Boy has his YES MAN!!!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 23, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

It's the name Allen that has Snyder intrigued. If not Bruce Allen, look for an offer to be tendered to Vince Lombardi Jr., one of Gibbs kids or Bobby Beathard's boy....

Posted by: randysbailin | January 23, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I hate to go there, but when is Jasno going to update the "We have a tip...Bruce Allen...." story?

The lack of feedback is a red herring: maybe the real 'journalist' is pimping poorly vetted info to trick us all into blogging about what won't happened.

It then gives his blog a sense of purpose and he keeps his job.

Well, darn it, I pledge not to blog again until the story is updated.

Starting now!!!!!

(INSERT image slow-moving clock hands against an image of a clueless sports junkie aping for another hit of unsubstantiated news.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

(INSERT image slow-moving clock hands against an image of a clueless sports junkie aping for another hit of unsubstantiated news.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 7:49 PM
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It's not Bruce but George F. (macaca) Allen.

You heard it here first!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

Good research digging up that stuff on the good old days. I thought I remembered something like that, but sure appreciate your freeing me from reliance on my so-called memory. Hell, sometimes I think I remember loving my first wife, but I can't find anything written anywhere to confirm it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Everything is so black and white with you. Nobody is asking the kid to throw without looking where he's throwing. You should talk to some QBs or QB coaches. When a QB comes to the line, he should be able to ID the coverage and have an idea where the ball needs to go (and where it shouldn't go) before the snap. Stop arguing for arguments sake. And I am telling you now that I will not address anything you say in a response that is sure to come so you can put this in your "win" column.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Yep, everything is black and white with me. About as black and white as saying "The QB won't get thrashed if he makes quicker decisions with the ball. Less patting and more passing will lead to fewer sacks, knockdowns and hurries."

Funny how you failed to address Campbell's ability to ID the coverage prior to the snap, yet you jump down my throat for making precisely that counter argument (in case you didn't see the 4-man rush, 7-men in coverage, '02 Buccaneers reference). You make a blanket statement relying solely on the argument that "less patting and more passing will lead to fewer sacks, kockdowns and hurries", but you're right, I'm the one who's black and white.

Don't respond, I don't care. Just don't expect me to ignore something that I view as openly wrong and a half-assed argument.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

maybe the real 'journalist' is pimping poorly vetted info to trick us all into blogging about what won't happened.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 7:49 PM

This can't happen on Redskin Insider. No one has ever -- nor will anyone ever -- blogged about what won't happen. If we have blogged about it, you can be sure that it has happened or will pretty soon.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Herm Edwards has been fired.

Raise your a hand if you care...

Ed Werder has reported that despite Herm's firing, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys already know their crybaby issues will dominant some aspect of the sports news on ESPN--especially now that there's a story out that Pacman has killed yet another ghost that's been chasing him.

That means one is left.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

This can't happen on Redskin Insider. No one has ever -- nor will anyone ever -- blogged about what won't happen. If we have blogged about it, you can be sure that it has happened or will pretty soon.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 8:14 PM

I see it differently, T_E. I believe everything that could ever possibly happen is constantly being blogged on R.I.

Think Dune.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

thunder,

Really? Are those the rules? Were they change recently? Man, that explains some of posts that I couldn't understand. Not all of them -- but a few.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Truth went to Charleston College. His "University" of Georgia thing stems from confusion. He really loves Georgia Tech, but he gets confused.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 10:50 AM

_____________

SIGN IT

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/firecerrato

Posted by: columbiard | January 23, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

SIGN IT

Posted by: columbiard | January 23, 2009 9:17 PM

Okay, I'm number 636.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I support this petition. How could you look at the age of the starting offensive line last year and think a 3rd round pick would be the answer?

Get professional help.
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I signed it.

I'm tempted to say I also sined and cosined it, but I doubt if any of those rockheads would get the joke.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't get too excited - Allen just got fired for doing a poor job - the fact that he's an improvement over Cerrato is not saying anything - my toddlers will do a better job than Cerrato.

It's kind of sick looking at what Snyder looks for in a GM, "he would be cool with the ancillary things that usually come with working closely with Snyder, like jetting off to Vegas or Aspen or Europe..."

WTF?!!

Posted by: nativedc | January 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"At this point we have no idea what any hypothetical deal with Allen would mean for current executive vice president of football operations, Vinny Cerrato, and, again, we are not reporting anything concrete here. As we get more nailed down, either way, we'll post as much as we can."


Is Jla alright? It's been 26 hours...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 23, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

As we get more nailed down, either way, we'll post as much as we can."

Is Jla alright? It's been 26 hours...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 23, 2009 10:00 PM
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Have some respect, d00d. He's nailed to the Cross.

Always look on the bright side of life!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

ESPN's NFL reporter Ed Werder announces that Pacman has been charged with killing the last ghost known to have been chasing him.

The ghost--named Adam Jones-- was seen chasing Pacman into a 'scrip club' where a number of scantily clad Cowboy groupees were in the process of making it rain.

Werder says Pacman was hiding behind a greased pole thinking the speedy, shifty paranormal pest wouldn't see him, when the blue ghost--claiming to be his bodyguard--confronted the former punt returner about the balls the present Cowboys team lacked.

An iggles fan claims to have witnessed the episode, but officials doubt his word as Larry Fitzgerald's giant foot print could
be seen embedded on his flat, gutless a$$.

Werder closed the report by promising to block news about other professional sports teams to update this story.

We can't wait.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 23, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Allen will not replace Vinnie. He'll be the cap specialist, which is needed with the CBA set to expire and you need someone as an expert in this area with the aggressive way the Skins handle their cap.

Also, people, including JLa need to stop the O-Line bashing. The problems with the line were not all player related. We had a RB almost rush for 1500, so the run blocking isn't the problem. You had a young QB learning a new offense and an OL learning a new offense. Campbell held onto the ball too long far too often, but you have to expect that when putting in a new offense. The OLine spent too much time thinking instead of reacting, which will cause you to be off by even 1/2 second which is often the difference b/w a sack and a completion. Even with the rushing game, WE DID NOT KEEP THE SAME RUSHING OFFENSE AS GIBBS, we only kept the samer terminology. It was a completely different scheme. Most teams, including JLa's beloved Ravens, that win with a new offensive scheme, often have a dominant defense that will carry the team. Before Heyer got hurt week 3, many in the organization and the league felt he would be the starting RT for many years to come. Many still do so they got younger at RG. While Rinehart didn't play at all this year, that doesn't mean he isn't going to be good. Neither of our G's missed a start and with his limited experience at other positions he wasn't going to be active on gameday, especially with us always carrying one more S than most teams do b/c of packages and ST's. If Kendall isn't resigned, Rinehart will probably start at LG and many are going to be surprised.

That's two new additions to the OL in two years. An All-Pro at LT, a solid Center in Rabach and a RG that while ageing isn't really a weak spot. So please tell me what all this ranting about the OLine is? It's just an angle to critisize this team with that is overblown by some clown in a soccer jersey b/c he has to do something in the offseason and he's convinced his fellow beat writer to join in on the bashing.

JLa's stated we should draft OL and let them play but he's such an expert he already knows the one we drafted in RD 3 isn't any good. From what? 4 preseason games!! He's right, no one ever improves their strength and quickness from year 1 to year 2 of their careers. Bugel has never taken an average OLman and made him great. Yep, the Post "Hybrid" writer knows but Joe Bugel doesn't. Cummon already. Stop drinking the negative kool-aid.

We'll draft an OL this year but I don't think that is our biggest need and we definitely should not do so in the 1st round. We need an OLB or two and we need them in a bad way. Washington is gone and Rocky hasn't played a full season in his career b/c of injury. Blades is too small to play the outside and too slow in coverage and London only has another couple of years left before he's done too. LB is our biggest area of need and the OL talk needs to stop.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 23, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

i agree that the offensive woes were systemic in nature

we had an o line that frequently could not hold up against, 4, 3 and even once a 2 man pass rush !!! that leaves a lot of players to cover our receivers

we had a QB who was very slow and tentative much of the time

we had receivers who could not seem to run the right routes or get open

we had schemes that were not very creative, seldom fooled the defense, and, in many cases, were doomed before the play was even run. once defenses stopped our running game, it was all over...

again, it is not as simple as just fixing the offensive line. that will help a whole lot. so will designing an offense that encourages Campbell to take off and run
as soon as he sees a lane. so will getting the tight ends to run some vertical stuff instead of constant crossing routes.

we need thomas, davis and kelly to get healthy, get in shape and study their butts off this off season. we need another vet wideout to be brought in to replace thrash who can actually get open and mentor the young guys.

above all, we need Zorn to design some kind of offense that will allow Campbell to actually win some games for us-- not just avoid losing them.. and we need Campbell to step up and prove he is ready to do just that on a consistent basis.

fix the offensive line for certain, but this is the bell lap for Zorn, Campbell and a lot of the offensive squad. if they dont do it this year, most of them will be gone after this season. there better be a huge sense of urgency in all of them...

Posted by: shally | January 23, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

LB is our biggest area of need and the OL talk needs to stop.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 23, 2009 11:15 PM
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Like a fine wine, our O.L. will only get better as it ages.

Thank you for your insight, 6-2StackMonster.

Could you go help Jerry Jones, now?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

How ABOUT them Clippers!

The beat OKC last night, despite Kevin Durant's 47 points and despite the fact about seven of their best players were out, including their top four Bigs and starting two point guards.

Yeah I watched it. Eric Gordon, the rookie from Indiana lit up OKC for 41. Kid is sick.

At the end of the game a 7'1" 195 Senegalese linguist with the team for less than a week was at center. Blocked a key shot.

A white guy shooter made a killer three pointer.

It was inspirational.

Posted by: TheCork | January 24, 2009 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

I wish wouldn't say good things about these guys. Whenever Mr. Cerrato reads this stuff he gets itchy and wants to sign the players you recommend.

He'll try to trade for the guy who put up 41 points. That's better than Chad Johnson's best game! And a killer three pointer at the end? Name the guy and he's got Suisham's job.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

From an article on Bruce Allen's tenure with the Bucs: "Overall inefficiency. Of his 51 draft picks since 2004, only 23 were still with the Bucs at the end of the 2008 season. Of 33 unrestricted and restricted free agents signed under Allen, 17 weren't on the opening day roster in 2008."

Somebody (the author) hasn't done his homework. Allen's record isn't bad at all. Teams that have a lot of picks tend to blow a higher percentage, probably because they take more chances. Teams that sign a lot of free agents experience the same thing. Has more to do with management philosophy than skill at evaluating players. As far as impact on team performance, look at how many draftees or free agents wound up playing regularly for his team. That's how you measure their contribution to winning. And also, of course, whether he found some real stars.

In that light, Allen looks pretty darn good.

Not to defend the reviled Vinny Cerrato, who you guys never tire of pointing out drafted only one regular out of ten picks in last year's crop, also had one of the most productive drafts in the NFL's recent history in 2006, when he was forced to start with, basically, bupkis. A second-rounder, a fifth, two sixths, and two sevenths, and emerged with four regulars.

Bruce Allen's real problem was finding a QB. His only success was Garcia, who was already old when he signed with Tampa. Gruden is due some credit for revitalizing him.

The real problem in Tampa is the Glazers. They're not Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones, but just a notch below that standard. Remember, these are the idiots who fired Tony Dungy and also this season, because of a four game losing streak, let go of Gruden.

That's after a 9-3 start, gang.

Like they say in Blazing Saddles: "these folks are the salt of the earth. You know: morons."

Posted by: Samson151 | January 24, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 24, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Vinny isnt going anywhere ever. Danny will be the owner here till the end of time. Oh the humanity!

Posted by: jmy1 | January 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It was inspirational.

Posted by: TheCork | January 24, 2009 5:31 AM


What's so inspirational about watching two AAU teams?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 24, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

If the redskins just signed a possession reciever like eddie royal, a game changing CB like Leigh Torrance, a rock on the left side like Jared Gaither, a pass rushing demon from the CFL, and found a way to bring back local talent like marcus mason everything would be fine.

Anybody see JLCrapola's ham fisted explaination about calling eddie royal a possession reciever in the live chat yesterday? What a know nothing turd burgular he is!!!!

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 24, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

19th and L: Mr. La Canfora, can you explain how Eddie Royal was the big receiver the Skins needed, in your Insider positional analysis, when the guy's 5-10?

Jason La Canfora: I should have phrased that better (was working on some serious stomach flu issues that day and a little out of it). The kid plays like a big receiver is what I was getting at. he is not strictly a sideline guy. He shows up over the middle and on third down. He makes big plays over the middle and in traffic. He isn't a shrimp and he is limited to certain routes. He plays an all around game and he plays big.

Bottom line is that kid would have been a major asset to this weoful group of receivers, and inept offense in general, period. And it's another case of this organization woefully misjudging the talent in its own backyard.

translation-i was busy stuffing my face with wendys stax and couldn't be bothered with things like facts when Im bashing the front office.

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 24, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Like a fine wine, our O.L. will only get better as it ages.

Thank you for your insight, 6-2StackMonster.

Could you go help Jerry Jones, now?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 23, 2009 11:33 PM
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Ahh, another LaCanfora kool-aid drinker. With any good football team you need to get one position stablized to the point where adding one or two guys a year as backups that can start in a couple of years builds depth and replacements. Our O-Line and D-Line and secondary are the only spots on the roster where that is possible right now. If Rinehart starts that's 2 new OLineman starting over two years. How is that getting older? This year you draft another G and/or T and you sign a FA G and/or T and get ready to replace Thomas next year and Samuels in 2-3 years. You don't need to blow up the whole thing. If you do, there will be no continuity amongst the players, probably the most important thing about an OL, even less time for Campbell and less running lanes for Portis. YOU CANNOT REBUILD YOUR OLINE THIS YEAR. Not with a QB entering his final year and you having to make a decision on his future. You have to give him the best possible protection and starting 3 draft picks, Samuels and Rabach like JLa has suggested does not allow for a proper evaluation. This isn't fantasy football, you don't just retool every year.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | January 24, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What do you guys think of Michael Oher???
seems like an intruiging prospect with tons of upside

Posted by: mardiros | January 25, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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