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Redskins shift to draft mode but are mum on philosophy

As the Redskins' coaches and scouts began to trickle out of Mobile, Ala., on Wednesday afternoon, the team officially shifted to draft mode. Which brings us to one big question about its draft philosophy: Under Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan, will the Redskins draft based on need or will they opt for the best player available, regardless of position?

Allen wouldn't divulge any state secrets this week.

"We're going to draft for the Redskins," Allen said. "We're changing some of our approaches, starting Monday."

Hopefully, Allen and Shanahan will further clarify the philosophy at a future date, but there was an interesting passage from Les Carpenter's profile of Shanahan that might provide a bit of insight into the new coach's thought process:

Shanahan often evaluated players by watching tapes of their highlights, a system employed by some in the league who believe that if you see a player at his best then he can be coached up to that ability.

"It has worked for him. I think he has confidence in it," said Mike Lombardi, the NFL Network analyst.

But many league executives say the approach can become intoxicating to a coach who is confident in his ability to coach the player to that level and has the ultimate authority to choose that player.

"He didn't listen to his scouts," said one NFL general manager, who asked not to be identified because he didn't want to publicly criticize another team executive.

With the NFL combine a month away, the team hasn't changed its scouting department. It's possible changes could come later, but many teams that hire new coaches opt to retain existing scouts through the draft because so much groundwork has already been laid.

In Mobile, the Redskins had their college scouts on hand, in addition to their entire coaching staff. While the scouts have been watching these college seniors for months, the Senior Bowl was the first opportunity many coaches had a chance to see players who will be some of this spring's draft picks.

"It's a good time to see the player as an individual and also to see him competing in a pro style coaching setting," Allen said.

But it's also just an introduction. No final decisions were made about prospects. Coaches, scouts and front-office personnel will see them again at the combine, then at pro days held on various college campuses and, in some cases, personal workouts.

Mobile was good for one other thing, Allen said. With a new staff and so many new faces, the Senior Bowl put everyone at the same table for a few days.

"To have our new coaches meet our scouts, share ideas, talk about body types and football information - it's invaluable," Allen said.

In the Zone ...

Would Russell Okung be a worthy replacement for Chris Samuels? Discuss now at the Redskins Tailgate Zone.

By Rick Maese  |  January 28, 2010; 6:45 AM ET
Categories:  Bruce Allen , Mike Shanahan  
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FIRTS to say with a draft pic at #4 YOU DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER THERE ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY YOU PAY THAT MUCH MONEY TO A PROJECT SO TRADE DOWN

Posted by: robertg238 | January 28, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

FIRTS to say with a draft pic at #4 YOU DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER THERE ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY YOU PAY THAT MUCH MONEY TO A PROJECT SO TRADE DOWN

Posted by: robertg238 | January 28, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 12:02 AM

This guy glawrence007 is a redneck and a good ole boy that drives a F250 w/ a gun rack and will repeat his post until someone recognizes it. During the deer season he will disappear for weeks as he thins the herd and waves his confederate flag.

He does know football and will campaign for any hokie any generally knows what he's talking about. He’s dangerous though and he will win you over if you read enough of his posts.

Don't fall into his trap. Yeaa Haw!

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44. You are a funny man. LOL. How long you been a REDSKIN fan?

Hey brownwood:

Think Diesel's assessment of me and my football pontifications is correct?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Think Diesel's assessment of me and my football pontifications is correct?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 7:19 AM


GL, you have your moments but I don't come here to psycho-analyze other posters like LS or Diesel, I'm here to talk Skins and have a healthy debate about my favorite team. Anything beyond that is just trying to get a rise out of the other anonymous slappies on the blog...which, at the end of the day, all of us are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I just saw that we hired Keenan McCardell to be our WR coach. Talk about no respect for a guy that you played with. He better not try to get all big and bad with those WR's (especially Moss and ARE) because they can easily turn on him. But I doubt it though since they make more than him. Funny thing is they probably think they are better than him and they are probably right. I say he is here for the young guys.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 28, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

"Nice choice McCardell. He showed a lot of heart when the other receivers showed nothing."


Professionalism and heart are just the thing our receiving corps need.

Plus, it's a unit that is about to undergo a series of changes as Randle El will be gone this year--hopefully--and Moss's date with Father Time is approaching as well.

One change is another receiver will have to be added to replace Randle El. There are some undrafted types out there who will satisfy as a 5th guy.

2010 is a MUST season for Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell as they've sat and watched enough to now make a return on investment the team has made in them.

And getting value out of these three guys is McCardell's job from Day 1.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Not sure where you're going with that, ATL. I mean, Steelers HC Mike Tomlin actually used to play against his starting ILB in college and he respects him plenty. And Tomlin doesn't even have NFL playing pedigree like McCardell does. As coaches are getting gigs at a younger age and players are playing well into their 30s, I just don't know how you make a statement like that with a straight face.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey brownwood:

Think Diesel's assessment of me and my football pontifications is correct?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Think Diesel's assessment of me and my football pontifications is correct?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 7:19 AM


GL, you have your moments but I don't come here to psycho-analyze other posters like LS or Diesel, I'm here to talk Skins and have a healthy debate about my favorite team. Anything beyond that is just trying to get a rise out of the other anonymous slappies on the blog...which, at the end of the day, all of us are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

You're a good man brownie. Just thought I'd ask. What did you think of my McCARDELL takes from last night?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

"...but I don't come here to psycho-analyze other posters like LS or Diesel.."

Actually, I like it when they put me on the blog couch and tell me I'm nuts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Watch out KEENAN, or MARKO MITCHELL will be the next sorry-azz wide-receiver REDSKINS story.

DESMOND HOWARD was the story, but McCARDELL stole the glory. Well, you can't spend all that money on a pick like HOWARD, and then admit he's not as good as your 12th round choice.

Kinda' like three - count 'um three second rounders, two of which compete for time with MITCHELL. They MUST be better than your next years' supplemental pick right?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"... evaluated players by watching tapes of their highlights, a system employed by some in the league who believe that if you see a player at his best then he can be coached up to that ability."

Well, there you go.

Another reason why you should make your woman watch porn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"... evaluated players by watching tapes of their highlights, a system employed by some in the league who believe that if you see a player at his best then he can be coached up to that ability."


Well, there you go.

Another reason why you should make your woman watch porn.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:13 AM

Point 1: uh oh.

Point 2: she does

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

diesel, if you read this, you'll have to let me know whats wrong with deer hunting? I'm going to assume that you're a vegatarian, and object to the eating of any meat, right??

good hire with McCardell, he's young enough that he can relate to today's game/WR, and has enough of a career cache that he can be relavant in the kids eye's.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, there you go.

Another reason why you should make your woman watch porn.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Ding,ding,ding. Fall down funny. LOL. This goes up in the Pantheon of Posts - an all timer. Way to go Mr. M. Damn that's funny.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

We need two things to happen to make the off-season work:

1. An uncapped year... to dump the dead weight and high salaries. It will also allow the staff to chase one or two staring/young OL... Chris Kuper, G, DEN... to alleviate some obvious draft needs.

2. Slotted salaries for draft picks. This will allow for more trade possibilities... very few teams want to lock into the 30-40 million in guaranteed monies at the 4 slot. Slotted salaries would entice more trade offers and if the Skins were Jimmy Johnson -Like, and traded down twice, could end up with 5 selections in the first three rounds... which could equal: 2 OT, 1 QB, 1 RB and 1 FS...

Yeah, I know, it's nice to dream!

Posted by: bschaef12 | January 28, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I predict the Skins draft the best player available, according to need, and if he isn't there, then they draft according to need, but strive to get the best player available.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

That's gutsy to think you should select players based on highlights because you believe in your ability to coach a player to the highest level they have played. I like that philosophy. It shows cojones.

The article also says that Shanahan didn't listen to his scouts and I don't like the sounds of that - nor do I believe it. Wouldn't the scouts have brought him the highlights saying, "Hey, you should check this guy out..."? Now, would Shanahan over rule his scouts on certain players? I absolutely believe that. That would be his prerogative.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The #4 pick will go to Okung, if he's gone then we trade bac and grab Bryan Buluga

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | January 28, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The best player available, by the way, is hybrid QB/LT Russell-Jim Okun-Claus, from Notre Dame of Nebraska.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"Slotted salaries for draft picks."

If the Player's Union concedes this, then it'll want some form of guaranteed contracts or better pay for vets.

I'd like a rule where once a guy has some kind of 'tenure' (4 years), a portion of his salary doesn't get counted against the cap, thus allowing him to remain with the team that drafted him.

This would end the dreaded 'sal cap casualty' situation where a vet who can play is let go to save money.

It would also allowed players the fans luv to be with the team longer, kinda like it was before free agency and the cap when a guy could be identified with one particular franchise.

Yes it would limit movement in a way, but it would also allow situations where developed players could be maintained and rewarded for their work in the community and the team.

And that final point is one thing we'll concede there should be more of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

That's gutsy to think you should select players based on highlights because you believe in your ability to coach a player to the highest level they have played. I like that philosophy. It shows cojones.

The article also says that Shanahan didn't listen to his scouts and I don't like the sounds of that - nor do I believe it. Wouldn't the scouts have brought him the highlights saying, "Hey, you should check this guy out..."? Now, would Shanahan over rule his scouts on certain players? I absolutely believe that. That would be his prerogative.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 8:27 AM |

Maurice Clarett and his 2005 draft class was horrible. Hopefully he wasn't solely responsible for those picks. If he was, hopefully the GM and scouting staff will be able to reign him in.

Posted by: midniterc | January 28, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Highlights eh? He should check out this guy. Great hands!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JoLF7bTCU&feature=related

Posted by: mack1 | January 28, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Go for Okung and be set at LT for 10 years.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 28, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't come here to psycho-analyze other posters like LS or Diesel

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 7:41 AM

I think brownwood was beaten too frequently (but with good reason) by his father and that he has penis-envy problems. What's your analysis, Diesel?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of S. Moss's toughness and determination. But I dare say K. McCardell has had a more productive and longer career Santana will end up having. Stats please anyone?

Posted by: sthai75 | January 28, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Cutting McCardell was one of the few personnel mistakes the 'Skins made during Gibbs Pt. 1, and I'm glad to see him back with the franchise. Obviously, his coaching ability is something of an unknown, but I'm betting that anyone with relatively ordinary physical gifts (in NFL terms) who can play as long and as effectively as McCardell did has plenty of knowledge that he can impart to our young receivers.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 28, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

is morocco brown still on the payroll?

The "best player vs. need" argument is a dumb one. Nobody ignores need. If you're a team with a quality starting quarterback, you don't draft a quarterback just because he's got the highest grade on your draft board. That would be stupid.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 28, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

The "best player vs. need" argument is a dumb one.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 28, 2010 9:05 AM

ZardsFan? Time to change your screen name? What, exactly, has been the Zards draft philosophy in recent years going back to, say, picking Kwame Brown #1 overall?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"He didn't listen to his scouts,"

So what?

Posted by: abxinc | January 28, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter was on Mike & Mike this morning discussing team QB moves for 2010 (Eagles,Cardinals, Vikings, Skins). Schefter said the Skins will keep Campbell and work with him - that they like him and want to give him a chance. He said that does not mean they will not draft a QB at #4 (horrors!!).

Of course, Schefter may be basing this on the CBA and Campbell probably being a restricted free agent. Then again, Schefter knows Shanahan well from covering the Broncos for many years.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think brownwood was beaten too frequently (but with good reason) by his father and that he has penis-envy problems. What's your analysis, Diesel?


Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:03 AM


You know what LS, how about you keep my name out of your mouth from now on? I'll have you know that I just lost my father last month and that joke is WAAAAAY out of bounds, even for your ignorant ass. Just STFU and burn in hell.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

So what?

Posted by: abxinc | January 28, 2010 9:18 AM

As in "So what? Neither did General Custer?"

He should fire the scouts and either hire ones he will listen to or simply save the wasted money.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Most of the 2010 draft player talent and quality is going to be deeper than 2011.. If you're an underclassmen with any NFL possibility you're got Agents telling you to enter the 2010 draft since the 2011 season is in jeopardy and/or will be some form of slotted Contracts ....

Thus 54 underclassmen have already declared this year.

With this in mind, it would make sense to trade down from the 4th pick and possibly acquire two 1st round quality players, by selecting one of these early entry juniors who may of been a 1st rounder in 2011. There must be some of these sleepers available in the early part of the 2nd round?

If nursing homes are online, anyone here remember what Bethard did??... Was it 1980 or 81 when he traded down in the Draft and got two low 1sts which resulted in May and Grimm.??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 28, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

If Okung is there he has to be the choice, I think we learned, well I hope we learned over the last 3 years that you go no where without a solid OL, so for once can we build the OL back into a respectable unit then the rest will fall into place. We build up our DL last offseason, now its time to fix the OL and give JC more time and the rbs (whomever they are) more holes to run through.

Posted by: avbanig | January 28, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"...it would make sense to trade down from the 4th pick and possibly acquire two 1st round quality players, by selecting one of these early entry juniors who may of been a 1st rounder in 2011."


And everybody knows this, meaning everybody will try this.

So who do you trade down with when everybody else is trying to trade down?

The best option is to see Jason Campbell as a chip and trade him for a low round 3 or 4th rounder.

Or: perhaps move the 1st rounder from '11, and get a 2nd and 6th.

If all of this happened, the skins would acquire three additional picks overall, and have three picks in rounds 1 and 2.

Then, you could add value and depth and need at q-back, running back, corner, tackle, guard, and linebacker.

Steps that get more picks will be more successful than trying to trade down with folks who are also trying to trade down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

You know what LS, how about you keep my name out of your mouth from now on? I'll have you know that I just lost my father last month and that joke is WAAAAAY out of bounds, even for your ignorant ass. Just STFU and burn in hell.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 9:22 AM

Hey, Brownwood, I'm sorry about the loss of your father, but you were the first one to give me a gratuitous elbow in the ribs. Read your own stupid post from 7:41. You keep putting them up here like that and I'll keep responding to your jackassery. Got it?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

you kids need a time out??

don't make me pull this thing over....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

don't make me pull this thing over....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 9:38 AM

Roll the windows down. He farted in here.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"...it would make sense to trade down from the 4th pick and possibly acquire two 1st round quality players, by selecting one of these early entry juniors who may of been a 1st rounder in 2011."


And everybody knows this, meaning everybody will try this.

So who do you trade down with when everybody else is trying to trade down?

The best option is to see Jason Campbell as a chip and trade him for a low round 3 or 4th rounder.

Or: perhaps move the 1st rounder from '11, and get a 2nd and 6th.

If all of this happened, the skins would acquire three additional picks overall, and have three picks in rounds 1 and 2.

Then, you could add value and depth and need at q-back, running back, corner, tackle, guard, and linebacker.

Steps that get more picks will be more successful than trying to trade down with folks who are also trying to trade down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 9:31 AM
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yeah, MOe.. Agreed to all.. But dangling a 4th pick is a strong position if you're competing with others......

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 28, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

With this in mind, it would make sense to trade down from the 4th pick and possibly acquire two 1st round quality players, by selecting one of these early entry juniors who may of been a 1st rounder in 2011. There must be some of these sleepers available in the early part of the 2nd round?

If nursing homes are online, anyone here remember what Bethard did??... Was it 1980 or 81 when he traded down in the Draft and got two low 1sts which resulted in May and Grimm.??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 28, 2010 9:23 AM
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I am sure everyone else is thinking about trading down for more picks for the exact same reasons you mention. This might be one of those drafts where everyone stays put, because no one wants to trade up (you have to have someone want to trade up so you can trade down, right?). The Redskins might just have to stay put and pick the players that best fills a need. I think this also makes free agency really, really important. If the team can patch a lot of holes in free agency, then they can go into the draft with a little more flexibility and not have to reach to get the players that will make the team better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Maese writes...
"With the NFL combine a month away, the team hasn't changed its scouting department. It's possible changes could come later, but many teams that hire new coaches opt to retain existing scouts through the draft because so much groundwork has already been laid."

Maese might of added...
Skins front office doesnt want the scouts to take "player prospect" intellectual property with them to other teams..... Probably each regional Scout, without notes, could write down a top 30 list of prospects in their respective assigned geographic area...And team strategy in the upcoming Draft (assuming Vinny had one). So, why send them to your competition before the Draft? So, the Skins Scouting Dept will continue to see paychecks at least until the day after the Draft concludes.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 28, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The best player available, by the way, is hybrid QB/LT Russell-Jim Okun-Claus, from Notre Dame of Nebraska.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

dude, I've heard of this guy. He's the freak offspring of Joe Montana's wild sex romp threesome with a football and a silverback gorilla. This guy is going to destroy all.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | January 28, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Brownwood, I'm sorry about the loss of your father, but you were the first one to give me a gratuitous elbow in the ribs. Read your own stupid post from 7:41. You keep putting them up here like that and I'll keep responding to your jackassery. Got it?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:33 AM


Gratuitous shot the ribs does not equal kick to the groin. Play fair or don't play at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Personally....I hope Shanny has changed his philosophy on just watching highlights...

...If Vinny was still here you guys would ridicule him to death about that....

I think Shanny has changed....He has been preparing for this Redskin job for 10 months now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Gratuitous shot the ribs does not equal kick to the groin. Play fair or don't play at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2010 9:50 AM

You don't like the way I play then leave me out of your stupid games. I didn't start this crap -- you did.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Personally....I hope Shanny has changed his philosophy on just watching highlights...

...If Vinny was still here you guys would ridicule him to death about that....

I think Shanny has changed....He has been preparing for this Redskin job for 10 months now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 9:56 AM
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Thinking the same thing. I know he took the opportunity to sit in on many different NFL teams' practices and I am sure he personally scouted some college games/practices as well. Being off for a season probably really helped him to reload plays, schemes and player intelligence. This is really going to pay off for him in this first season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Cutting McCardell was one of the few personnel mistakes the 'Skins made during Gibbs Pt. 1, and I'm glad to see him back with the franchise. Obviously, his coaching ability is something of an unknown, but I'm betting that anyone with relatively ordinary physical gifts (in NFL terms) who can play as long and as effectively as McCardell did has plenty of knowledge that he can impart to our young receivers.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 28, 2010 9:03 AM

Ah...McCardell was cut after 1/2 years...HE didn't become good until year 4 or 5....And 3 teams later....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I am sure everyone else is thinking about trading down for more picks for the exact same reasons you mention. This might be one of those drafts where everyone stays put, because no one wants to trade up (you have to have someone want to trade up so you can trade down, right?). The Redskins might just have to stay put and pick the players that best fills a need. I think this also makes free agency really, really important. If the team can patch a lot of holes in free agency, then they can go into the draft with a little more flexibility and not have to reach to get the players that will make the team better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 9:45 AM
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Damn, I hope its a "needs based" Draft.. Its the approach of some of the best GMs.. Pats, Ravens and Giants..... The results show.
Conversely, a "Best Player Available Draft" is what Vinny and Dan have done the last 4 years..(post JC).
And the result?.. The imbalanced Skins have a top talent level Defense which is on the field an inordinate amount of time due to a three and out "expansion team" Offense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 28, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I've never understood the "Best Player Available" vs "Need" draft debate. How can you possibly say ONE player is the best possible choice at any point in the draft? Teams get it wrong over and over again. Just look at the number of first rounds busts - clearly NOT the best player available for that pick.

I do think it is possible to identify the best GROUP of 5-7 players at a spot in the draft. From that group, I think it makes sense to decide which one will be the best fit and have the most impact. Under that scenario, you are doing both.

If nobody from that group is desirable - or if you feel you can move back and get more picks and that will be of more value, then make a move.

Posted by: edvar | January 28, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The best possible thing that could happen is to trade down in this deep draft. The problem is that most teams will be satisfied to stay where they are or trade down themselves. Leaving the #4 pick devalued unless there's a player that someone falls in love with and just has to have.

This team needs talent everywhere. Even more so now with the change in defensive philosophy.

Offensive line is definitely the biggest need, but no position is worth reaching for at the #4 pick. Take the best player available unless you have a pro bowl player at that position under long term contract.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 28, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter was on Mike & Mike this morning discussing team QB moves for 2010 (Eagles,Cardinals, Vikings, Skins). Schefter said the Skins will keep Campbell and work with him - that they like him and want to give him a chance. He said that does not mean they will not draft a QB at #4 (horrors!!).

Of course, Schefter may be basing this on the CBA and Campbell probably being a restricted free agent. Then again, Schefter knows Shanahan well from covering the Broncos for many years.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2010 9:21 AM

When talking about what Scehfter had to say about Shanny...always remember that he co-authored Shanny's biography and was a beat reporter for the Broncos.

Shanny may have Schefter saying all the right things about Campbell to maintain a viable trade market for him and build up confidence in him at the same time just in case we keep him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I just hope these guys can keep whatever their plan is under wraps. There have been too many leaks in the past which tipped off the media on what we were going to do in the draft. Snyder and Cerrato's stupidity was the major cause of that. I don't want to see a situation like the 2005 draft when Len Fatsarelli broke the news that we were drafting Rogers and Campbell a day or two before the draft took place.

Posted by: moseley_brian | January 28, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV - your boy Dexter M was gettin' pretty good props from ESPN...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The best possible outcome would be to trade down and get 3 picks in the top 40-45 or so... get Iupati, Spiller/Best, and best tackle available. I don't know if there is a franchise LT available past Okung and Williams, but we could always grab a RT and look to LT in FA.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 28, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

There have been too many leaks in the past which tipped off the media on what we were going to do in the draft. Snyder and Cerrato's stupidity was the major cause of that. I don't want to see a situation like the 2005 draft when Len Fatsarelli broke the news that we were drafting Rogers and Campbell a day or two before the draft took place.

Posted by: moseley_brian | January 28, 2010 10:23 AM

I agree that was bad, but it wasn't on Snyder and Cerrato -- that was Joe Gibbs who telegraphed that move.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

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Usually when we think of Idaho, we think first of potatoes and second of Napoleon Dynamite. But at the Senior Bowl this week, the biggest buzz has been about Idaho's Mike Iupati, a guard that was blessed with tackle's arms, and a player who is the "most likely pro bowler if you took a poll of scouts at Sr Bowl," according to Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter.

Particularly interested in Iupati are the Detroit Lions, who need to protect their big investment, Matthew Stafford, with better play out of their O-line. Nicholas J. Cotsonika of the Detroit Free Press describes how smitten the team is with Iupati, but also mentions that there is a conundrum: the Lions have picks No. 2 and No. 34 overall, while Iupati is expected to be taken in the mid to late section of the first round. Waiting for him at 34 will be risky, so it's possible they could try to swing a draft day trade. NFC East blogger Matt Mosley thinks two of the teams from that division will be particularly interested:

Matt Mosley

Legend of Iupati grows at Senior Bowl

"There's a decent chance the Eagles (No. 24) and Cowboys (No. 27) will take a long look at Iupati leading up to the draft."

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Senior Bowl blog

Iupati is a special player at guard

"There is not a weakness in Iupati's game when he's lined up at guard. His quick first step, lateral quickness, and long arms make him a dominant force inside, and he is a nasty finisher who is not satisfied until defenders are on their backs. And while he struggled a bit when moved to left tackle during practice, Iupati is stepping up against the higher level of competition and based on what we've seen we have no problem giving him a late-first-round grade as a guard. In fact, he's the best guard prospect we've seen in the last two drafts."

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Personally....I hope Shanny has changed his philosophy on just watching highlights...

...If Vinny was still here you guys would ridicule him to death about that...."

Several of us have commented on how Vinny was actually a very good judge of talent. his drafts here have produced some very talented players, especially in the later rounds. It's never been his talent-evaluation that was the problem, it was every other philosophy he had with team-building (undervaluing the offensive line, overvaluing free agents, giving away draft picks, etc.).

I like the philosophy held by Shanahan. Of course, the only way it works is if you have top notch coaches ready to take the reigns. The Shanahan's and company can do that on the offensive side of the ball. But can Haslett and co. do it on the other side? That was always Denver's problem, and that's the challenge that will be met here as well.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Legend of Iupati grows at Senior Bowl"

Ahem...,well, you know, a man-crush being what it is, you know, I mean, you, I think that, well, this guy, Iupati, well, if it's me, with that #4th pick, I ummm, use it to get a guy who can play four positions rather than a guy who can only play one.


But what do I know: I got a crush on a guy other people are starting to luv and can't think straight.

Okung v. Iupati: I go with Iupati.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Moe reviews the speech Obama sent him to correct prior to giving it later tonite:
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To his wife:

"Hey, girl, me and Tiger Woods goin' to Vegas. Alone, ya' heard me?"
...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2010 8:26 PM |

What is one supposed to make of a post such as this? Straight up it is nonsense. Irrespective of his politics, Obama is seen as an admirable family man with a lovely wife and two charming daughters. Woods is a rotter, consorting with wh0res, marrying one and producing offspring just to burnish his image for promotional purposes. Woods and his ilk are one of the reasons society has become so abased and degraded. Suggesting that the two of them would go on a jaunt to Vegas together is preposterous.

So, if not straight up, then, I ask you, where is there any humor, irony, wit or anything else of any redeeming nature to be found in the post?

Posted by: CovertOps | January 28, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Suggesting that the two of them would go on a jaunt to Vegas together is preposterous.

Posted by: CovertOps | January 28, 2010 10:38 AM

I agree. I think it would be a nightmare for the Secret Service. We just can't afford it in these difficult times. It would be an irresponsible waste of taxpayer money.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ops, was that your way of saying you didn't like the joke?

We're not getting paid here yknow? Props to Moe for tryin' anyway... care to take the mic, Ops? Make us laugh! Now!

...Lighten up, Sandy Baby.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 28, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

And Moe, if you're crushin' on guys - you're not thinking straigh - by DEFINITION!

...not that there's anything wrong w/ that...just sayin'...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 28, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Okung v. Iupati: I go with Iupati.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 10:37 AM

The only knock with picking him that high, is that he doesn't seem able to handle the LT spot so #4 is too high (then again Heyer played LT for the Skins last year..so), there are also two or three other guards/tackles in Iupati's range who can play multiple spots as well, and their talent is seems comparable; so moving up from rd #2 may not make sense. Having Iupati on the team will help the running game immensely. I like how he finishes blocks (check out Idaho's 2009 bowl game on ESPN360), but I'm not sure he's worth all the hype.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

So, if not straight up, then, I ask you, where is there any humor, irony, wit or anything else of any redeeming nature to be found in the post?

Gosh darn there are new requirements for posting every week. Pretty soon, you'll only be able to post if you have an NFL pedigree, a serious point to make, and proof that you won your fantasy league the last three years running.

We'll still allow the occasional post if you're calling for help, particularly if you need the WonderPets. After all, this is a sewious fowum fow discussion. I don't have independent confirmation, but I believe that MistaMoe is the gerbil.

Posted by: daggar | January 28, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see they're keeping mum on their draft philosophy. Shanahan/Allen will likely be the anti-Snyder/Cerrato when it comes to that. Often in Denver Shanahan's draft picks didn't even know he was interested in them ahead of time. For example, I remember reading that Shanahan never met Cutler before drafting him. So I would take any reported interest in Bradford/Clausen orany other player now with a huge grain of salt.

Posted by: skinswest | January 28, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Evaluating prospects based on their highlight reels? That sounds like what a fan would do, not a knowledgble football professional... I'm going to assume that is just some BS from a disgruntled outsider who doesn't respect Shanny.

As for the BPA vs. Need vs. Positional Value approachs to drafting, it seems to make the most sense to use a blended philosphy, rather be too rigid in one camp or the other...for instance, with your 2nd round pick, you have several players on your board at a variety of positions identified as having 2nd round grades (or 1st round grades that slipped down)...if you have a glaring need at OT, and your 2nd round OT is avialable when you pick, it makes sense to to take him there. But if he isn't available, and no other OT has a 2nd rnd grade, you don't reach - you look at who's left with a second round grade (or higher), and what your other roster holes are, and you try to match them up if you can.

Obviously over-simplified, but it seems like basic common sense...draft picks are a crap shoot anyway, so you should at least try to address your needs while getting good value at the same time.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The only knock with picking him that high, is that he doesn't seem able to handle the LT spot so #4 is too high (then again Heyer played LT for the Skins last year..so), there are also two or three other guards/tackles in Iupati's range who can play multiple spots as well, and their talent is seems comparable; so moving up from rd #2 may not make sense. Having Iupati on the team will help the running game immensely. I like how he finishes blocks (check out Idaho's 2009 bowl game on ESPN360), but I'm not sure he's worth all the hype.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

We would be in the same boat as the Chiefs are with Brandon Albert. They thought he was good enough to play left tackle and it turns out they are wrong. They are now trying to replace him with a real left tackle like Okung and move him inside to guard. Why not get Okung in the first damn place and take the real tackle when we have a pick closer to his value? I don't get the facination with finding awesome guards that can kinda play left tackle then making them sub par left tackles. Why not let the awesome guard play guard and get a real left tackle to play left tackle?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that despite their best efforts to make their intentions on draft day, new Redskins Coach, Mike Shanahan, and General Manager, Bruce Allen are said to be absolutely smitten with Dez Bryant. Despite numerous issues along the offensive line, the pair are secretly telling other teams that Bryant will be their pick at #4"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that despite their best efforts to make their intentions on draft day, new Redskins Coach, Mike Shanahan, and General Manager, Bruce Allen are said to be absolutely smitten with Dez Bryant. Despite numerous issues along the offensive line, the pair are secretly telling other teams that Bryant will be their pick at #4"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Yes, because in the NFL, you always secretly tell the other teams who you plan to take with your picks, so they don't have to wonder...

Posted by: PDXskin | January 28, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey Moe:

If OKUNG is gone at #4, IUPATI is a good option if we can reel in a DONALD PENN-type in RFA.

Because of rules changes over the past ten years, I think defensive players are now at a discount, and offensive ones at a premium. That's why SNYDER has been fixated on a Q-back.

So if you're drafting high like we were last year, taking the "best available" almost naturally nets you a potentially great defensive player. We must go for need not best player. Otherwise ERIC BERRY may be our "best available" pick at #4.

That's why I have consistantly advocated signing CAMPBELL, and allow him to operate behind an improving o-line. Two years out if line play is demonstatively better, but Q-back play isn't, then move on a q-back. Our standings won't have improved much, and we should still be in the running for a top Quarter-back.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

This evaluating on a highlight tape is dangerous. You need to see what a prospect can do consistently. Not on the one spectacular play. Did he drop for passes and catch one-one handed grab?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | January 28, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Legend of Iupati grows at Senior Bowl"

Ahem...,well, you know, a man-crush being what it is, you know, I mean, you, I think that, well, this guy, Iupati, well, if it's me, with that #4th pick, I ummm, use it to get a guy who can play four positions rather than a guy who can only play one.

But what do I know: I got a crush on a guy other people are starting to luv and can't think straight.

Okung v. Iupati: I go with Iupati.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 10:37 AM
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Get over the man crush, Moe. The Redskins need a left tackle bad. Realllllll bad. Iupati could project as a right tackle, but that is a hypothetical, and he is definitely not going to be playing left tackle in the NFL. I say grab Okung or Williams - legitimate forces at left tackle - and leave Iupati to a team that needs a guard first.

Iupati vs Any of the Top Five Left Tackles: I go with a left tackle. I'd take two if it was possible.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse


"PFT is reporting that despite their best efforts to make their intentions on draft day, new Redskins Coach, Mike Shanahan, and General Manager, Bruce Allen are said to be absolutely smitten with Dez Bryant. Despite numerous issues along the offensive line, the pair are secretly telling other teams that Bryant will be their pick at #4"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 11:06 AM

What is one supposed to make of a post such as this? Straight up it is nonsense.

So, if not straight up, then, I ask you, where is there any humor, irony, wit or anything else of any redeeming nature to be found in this post?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Suggesting that the two of them would go on a jaunt to Vegas together is preposterous.

Posted by: CovertOps | January 28, 2010 10:38 AM

Lighten Up, Francis.

Posted by: kevinb2000 | January 28, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This evaluating on a highlight tape is dangerous. You need to see what a prospect can do consistently. Not on the one spectacular play.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | January 28, 2010 11:11 AM

This is how you would end up with a team full of Brandon Lloyds. Thank you, Al Saunders.

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Take Russell Okung at #4 then Bryan Buluga later. I would draft Colt McCoy as the new Water Boy and Tim Tebow to help out!

Posted by: ho-skin | January 28, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I think Jon Asamoah would have impressed too if he didn't hurt his shoulder. I'd take Okung and target Asamoah in the second. I'd be willing to bet he's faster than Iupati. I'd plan for Asamoah but if Iupati falls to us then awesome.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Suggesting that the two of them would go on a jaunt to Vegas together is preposterous.

Posted by: CovertOps | January 28, 2010 10:38 AM

Lighten Up, Francis.

Posted by: kevinb2000 | January 28, 2010 11:13 AM
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Hey! His name is Psycho, not Francis. If you call him Francis again, he'll kill you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

TWISI:

"......LT spot so #4 is too high (then again Heyer played LT for the Skins last year..so),......"

Somehow I think statement's regarding HEYER's play last year at LT should end with a question-mark. He should be re-signed as a planned back-up and injury fill in solely. IMO, SAMUELS should retire as should RANDY THOMAS. WIL MONTGOMERY, EDWIN WILLIAMS and big MIKE WILLIAMS along with HEYER should be the back-ups. LEVI JONES should stay only if a starter and replacement at LT are not available through the draft and FA. If ERIC OLSON can be had in the mid-round range, cut MONTGOMERY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Several of us have commented on how Vinny was actually a very good judge of talent. his drafts here have produced some very talented players, especially in the later rounds. It's never been his talent-evaluation that was the problem, it was every other philosophy he had with team-building (undervaluing the offensive line, overvaluing free agents, giving away draft picks, etc.).

POSTED BY: PSPS23

And many of us have commented quite the opposite. Two years ago, he lucked into Horton, (Recommended to him) the only pro-ready player he drafted that year, including three #2s a 3 and a 4.

He's wasted picks on a punter, and DBs, where even LL30 has been a disappointment. The few linemen he picked or acquired failed. As near as I can tell none of his draft picks in the past half dozen years has threatened to make pro bowl status.

I think his talent evaluation has indeed been the problem, be it draft, trade or free agent. The highlights of his career include Jim Zorn and Jason Taylor for crying out loud.

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"...but I believe that MistaMoe is the gerbil."

Actually, in the world of children's entertainment, I'm a Wily E. Coyote kind of guy.

'Cept I don't shop at ACME.

I'm a Wal-Mart kinda guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If stud LT is there, take him. Otherwise trade down. Not a QB w/ this pick. Do NOT trade future years' picks from now on - instead, let that (future picks) be part of what we receive in any dealings. On the fence about Cambell, but am inclined to bring him back (I still have an un-opened Wheaties Box w/ Doug Williams & the Hogs on the cover from Super Bowl XXII - JCampbell kinda reminds me of him). Let's load up on solid OL this year & all subsequent years should yield at least one DL & OL players.

Posted by: kevinb2000 | January 28, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

LEAGUE-SOURCE:

brownwood's psycho-therapist.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Suggesting that the two of them would go on a jaunt to Vegas together is preposterous.

Posted by: CovertOps

'CovertOps'?

The name suggests you're undercover.

Or hiding in a closet.

Or an azzhole pretending to be the blog gestapo.

I'll stop trying to be funny if you stop practicing manual self-gratification.

And of course, with you, I won't shake hands on it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Reading the rumor blog from the senior bowl, the Skins are spending time with defensive prospects, in particular a DE who project at LB, and a DE that project as fitting better in a 3-4.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Once again you have no concept of what other teams draft or how limited the number of picks we have are. He drafts well compared to other teams. Pick a team and check their draft classes. Compare them to ours. We find good players with a lot fewer picks and picks of lower quality. Most of our picks are late rounders so don't bash our talent scout because they aren't turning those 20 7th round picks into pro bowlers. Other teams have a lot more pro bowlers because they have a lot more 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. You can bash Vinny for every other aspect of his job but he does actually draft well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

TWISI:

"......LT spot so #4 is too high (then again Heyer played LT for the Skins last year..so),......"

Somehow I think statement's regarding HEYER's play last year at LT should end with a question-mark. He should be re-signed as a planned back-up and injury fill in solely. IMO, SAMUELS should retire as should RANDY THOMAS. WIL MONTGOMERY, EDWIN WILLIAMS and big MIKE WILLIAMS along with HEYER should be the back-ups. LEVI JONES should stay only if a starter and replacement at LT are not available through the draft and FA. If ERIC OLSON can be had in the mid-round range, cut MONTGOMERY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 28, 2010 11:21 AM
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Hey, it's an uncapped year. The Redskins should re-sign Jones and Rabach to one year deals, keep the young offensive linemen, bring in quality guys to compete, and then let the best players win in pre-season. Injuries happen, players don't pan out and I think it would be smart to hold onto the offensive linemen you know before replacing them with unknown commodities.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: OG_Barno | January 28, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Several of us have commented on how Vinny was actually a very good judge of talent. his drafts here have produced some very talented players, especially in the later rounds. It's never been his talent-evaluation that was the problem, it was every other philosophy he had with team-building (undervaluing the offensive line, overvaluing free agents, giving away draft picks, etc.).

By PSPS
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What I was saying was.....because everyone hates Vinny, if this was his draft strategy, he would get banged out up here.....Becauce that's what people do....Get on Vinny when it wasn't even his fault, like you just did,

I have not seen one overvalued Free Agent after Gibbs 2.0, who actually did the Free Agent signings. And Haynesworth was a Danny pick. As was trading for Jason Taylor. So how can we assume he overvalues FAs and gives picks away freely. Actually he is a great wizard of trading back and getting multiple draft picks....That's what history shows me.....As History shows Gibbs 2.0 was willing to trade up and trade awasy picks....And Dan Snyder is just being Dan Snyder....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ACME=Wal-Mart=SweatShopAnvils

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 28, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Reading the rumor blog from the senior bowl, the Skins are spending time with defensive prospects, in particular a DE who project at LB, and a DE that project as fitting better in a 3-4.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 11:31 AM
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Maybe the players they are really interested in aren't at the combine...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Take Russell Okung at #4 then Bryan Buluga later. I would draft Colt McCoy as the new Water Boy and Tim Tebow to help out!

Posted by: ho-skin | January 28, 2010 11:16 AM

They are both LTs. So you can only get one or the other.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Trade the pick!

There's a TON of OT's coming out this year. They can trade down, get a couple extra picks, and STILL get what they want.

TRADE IT!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2010 5:11 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't seen the Vietnam episode yet it is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. It's hilarious the whole way through. I love that show even if I do think Jeremy Clarkson is a blackhole of jacka55edry.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Clarkson is a tool of the first order, primo chopper, but TG still good sometimes. The one when they went to the South was a cracker.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons

What? Clarkson is the funniest of the three. He "plays" a tool, a whiney, complaining, self-important crank brilliantly. He nails that character as well as Sellers neailed Clouseau. Clarkson is a master of British understatement and silliness. All three are blessed with impeccable timing and delivery. The bonus is seeing some great automobiles and inspirational concepts form the show's producers.

Yes, I saw the Vietnam episide, which was two hours. Had it been released as a theatrical feature, it would have been justly praised as one of the best documentaries of the year. And certainly the funniest.

And the season opener this year revealed that their anonymous test driver "Stig" is actually Michael Shoumacher. Brilliant.

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Is Okung that much better that Iupati, who the Cowboys or Eagles might try to draft?

Could we not drop down to the mid first round and pick up a 3rd or something and still take Iupati?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 28, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Okung v. Iupati: I go with Iupati.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 10:37 AM

One is a LT. The other is a interrior lineman. Interrior lineman don't get drafted in the top 10. That's why he (lupati) is projecting 2nd half 1st round...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Reading the rumor blog from the senior bowl, the Skins are spending time with defensive prospects, in particular a DE who project at LB, and a DE that project as fitting better in a 3-4.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 11:31 AM

This sounds like so much BS from the rumor blogs. When they say "the Redskins are spending time with..." which Redskins are they referring to? Surely none of the offensive coaches. Kyle's Shanahan's not looking at LBs. Only the defensive coaches. And where else would you expect to find them? Scouting quarterbacks?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

An open letter of notice to all Okung lovers:

"Iupati is a special player at guard"

Start throwing darts and farts my way when Mr. Okung starts getting press like this.

Whatever your opinions of Okung might be, remember that if he is at the Senior Bowl, there's been very liitle, "Wow, Okung is the bomb!" chatta from scouts or anyone else.

Adding a player in Iupati who can stabilize the center of the offensive line is important as from what I saw, teams got a ton of pressure (and not just sacks) in Campbell's face from the right, not left, side.

Mike Williams, Chad Rhinehart, Edwin Williams, Wil Montegomery: that's a quartet of right guard failure if there ever was one.

I'd rather rebuild the right guard and tackle this year, and left tackle and guard the next.

Iupati @4 and Black in round 2.

I'll take them both, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else think that 90% of the time 80% of league's post are negative and angry?

As De Niro says in Analyze That, "maybe its been a while since she saw the old sauseege..."

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

They are both LTs. So you can only get one or the other.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse
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Its not unheard of for a LT to make the transition to another position in the NFL. Usually the reason they are playing LT in the first place is because they are typically the best athlete on the line.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 28, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

This sounds like so much BS from the rumor blogs. When they say "the Redskins are spending time with..." which Redskins are they referring to? Surely none of the offensive coaches. Kyle's Shanahan's not looking at LBs. Only the defensive coaches. And where else would you expect to find them? Scouting quarterbacks?

Posted by: League-Source | January 28, 2010 11:46 AM

It also could be the GM that's talking to them, and the scouts such as Scott Campbell and the boys. Cooley on NFLN last night said that the players have interviews well into the night (Cooley recalled having to meet with a team at 11pm) during the senior bowl week.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Its not unheard of for a LT to make the transition to another position in the NFL. Usually the reason they are playing LT in the first place is because they are typically the best athlete on the line.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 28, 2010 11:52 AM

You gotta remember....These guys want to play LT because it pays at leaset 50% or more higher than the going rate of a RT or any other lineman outside of STeve Hutchinson.

To convince one of them to move would be asking them to take a paycut. So, no way I see this happening.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Iupati's a guard, never mind.

Question still stands though - how much of a drop off is there from #4 to the mid or late 1st round in terms of OTs? (Mike WIlliams was #4 overall (I'd like to see him come back as a G), so it's not a lock anyway, and this year's pro bowl roster has just as many late first rounders on the OL as early first rounders).

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 28, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Whatever your opinions of Okung might be, remember that if he is at the Senior Bowl, there's been very liitle, "Wow, Okung is the bomb!" chatta from scouts or anyone else.
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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2010 11:50 AM |
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Okung isn't there, Moe. He's going to be the first offensive lineman taken in the draft. The only thing he might get from the Senior Bowl is an injury.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 28, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

To convince one of them to move would be asking them to take a paycut. So, no way I see this happening.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

With Bulaga and Okung they would both be rookies so they'll play wherever the heck we tell them to play. I personally think it may be a waste to pick them both. I think there are bigger guys that are better run blockers that would be better right tackles. Anthony Davis, Ciron Black, Sam Young, and Adam Ulitoski come to mind. Bulaga and Black are much quicker on their feet and would be much better left tackles but both would demand a premium price. You may be able to find Ciron black, Adam Ulitoski, or Sam Young down in the 4th round. We may be better off taking an awesome guard in the second. Okung, Iupati, and Black would be awesome. More realistically, I could live with Okung, Asamoah, and Ulitoski.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

diesel, if you read this, you'll have to let me know whats wrong with deer hunting? I'm going to assume that you're a vegatarian, and object to the eating of any meat, right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 8:20 AM

I read everything. I'm a meatatarian and I'm opposed to the eating of vegetables unless of course they were eaten by an animal first.

I'm not a hunter and I have nothing against it, I’m a cocksman and a fisherman.

I was just poking fun at my boy glawerence

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

10-4.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"I’m a cocksman"

wait a second, just re-read that....what in the name of time does this mean...not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You gotta remember....These guys want to play LT because it pays at leaset 50% or more higher than the going rate of a RT or any other lineman outside of STeve Hutchinson.

To convince one of them to move would be asking them to take a paycut. So, no way I see this happening.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse
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Rookie salary is based on draft position, not field position. And outside of the first round, the second contract is what gets you the big bucks, so if one of these guys thinks he's undervalued, then get out on the field and win the LT job.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 28, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"I’m a cocksman"

wait a second, just re-read that....what in the name of time does this mean...not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:12 PM

A "pipefitter"..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"cocksman"

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Is your "roomate" a poopsmith.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"I’m a cocksman"

wait a second, just re-read that....what in the name of time does this mean...not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:12 PM

A "pipefitter"..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:15 PM

It's a very hetro thing. A "cocksman" is one who hunts women. A "pipefitter" is one who tries to fit their pipe in...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

diesel, how about if we got with plumber..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

tebobeeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

tebobeeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

About the LT position: Washington needs one, so thought it would be worth a look at what the Shanahans and new line coach Chris Foerster have done elsewhere.

At Houston, Kyle helped groom Duane Brown, who weighs about 310, is a converted tight end known for his quick feet. Rashad Butler backed up both LT and RT positions. Control freak Mike Shanahan had Ryan Clady at Denver, and Clady is equally proficient at the run and the pass. Mike alledgedly prefers smaller linemen but you'd never know by looking at Clady.

Foerster was with Baltimore for several seasons where he had Ogden before moving to SF where he had to make do with some lesser folks.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Skins in draft mode but mum on philosophy."

I think they're philosophy is to keep mum about their philosophy.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The best player vs need is a foolish debate, it has to be a combination of the 2.

Okung is one of the best players and a need. Even if you don't like JC, we need O line help and RB help more than QB help.

If Okung is there at 4 he's the best player and fills a need. If he's gone you've got Baluga and a couple others that aren't a big reach.

This is a no brainer, I hope.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 28, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Form what I hear, based on the Redskins needs, there are no players available who are worthy of the #4 pick - not Okung and not Bradford. I heard those guys fit in at #7 and #11 respectively.

Posted by: bsdman | January 28, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that despite their best efforts to make their intentions on draft day, new Redskins Coach, Mike Shanahan, and General Manager, Bruce Allen are said to be absolutely smitten with Dez Bryant. Despite numerous issues along the offensive line, the pair are secretly telling other teams that Bryant will be their pick at #4"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

...And so begins the 2010 draft disinformation season . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 28, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
Our philosophy is simple; we see which players in the draft have the most marketing potential and go after them. We need to make more money - if we win, that's good too.
Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | January 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If Dannyboy wants to do this thing right he ought to draft quality offensive linemen, and or trade for quality offensive linemen. Without solid run blocking and pass protection everything else is moot. Gibbs won or was in contention for Championship titles year in and year out due largely to a solid offensive line that stayed intact for many years. That is how you build a championship team. If he doesn't understand that nor does Allen then having Shanahan here is not going to make any difference. Like anything else one cannot expect overnight success with this rebuilding process, to have success it will take at least 2-3 years but they can be competitive and fun to watch while they rebuild.

Posted by: james.lawsonjr@comcast.net | January 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Deez NuTZ

Posted by: BarnoI | January 28, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Draft Bradford ... and get some new uniforms.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 29, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

"He didn't listen to his scouts," said one NFL general manager, who asked not to be identified because he didn't want to publicly criticize another team executive."

Uhhh....he just did publicly criticize another team executive. What it should say is that he is willing to publicly criticize another team executive, but that he is too much of a chicken sh** to be identified as the one who said it.

The opinion of anyone who will talk about someone to the media then ask not to be identified is suspect at best.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | January 29, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

As a Redskin fan here in South Florida, I have watched Tim Tebow of the University of Florida prove himself to be not only an exceptionally talented quarterback, but as a born leader. This young man is highly motivated to be the best he can be, both on the field and off. He would be a valuable addition to a rebuilding team, that need this kind of young players.

Posted by: bustr66 | January 29, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Mum or clueless? 7-9 next season, but watch for lots of Super Bowl talk first few weeks. Got to keep those fan dollars flowing into the Snyder vaults.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 30, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

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