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Under Bruce Allen, free agency for Redskins may last for months

Finally, after what might've been a few frustrating days for some Redskins' fans, General Manager Bruce Allen offered an explanation for the team's slow-play approach to free agency.

"Free agency isn't a day, and it's not a weekend. We think free agency runs 'til the first day of training camp," Allen told Sports Illustrated's Peter King on Sunday. "Let's see who you have a couple of months from now, not just who you have after a couple of days. What difference does it make when you sign them, if they help you?''

Prior to free agency, Allen was vague when he described the team's approach, but the Redskins' actions the past few days have made it clear that the new boss isn't the same as the old boss. Allen hasn't responded to The Post's requests for an interview since the free agency began.

Not that the Redskins' approach hasn't been obvious (they've signed one guy and that guy's name is Artis Hicks, not Julius Peppers). But perhaps it's reassuring to learn that there's method to the madness. Of course, there is a reason to sign some players quickly: To lock them up before other teams. That could be a reason the team opts to move faster when it meets with linebacker Larry Foote today. We'll see.

Allen told King he presented his free agency plan to owner Daniel Snyder before the Super Bowl. "Good," Snyder told him. "Do what you guys think is best."

And when free agency opened and the Redskins weren't making headlines across the league, the owner was apparently still on board. "He didn't throw anything at me. And he didn't throw a tantrum," Allen told King. "He's fine with it.''

In his column, King says what many around the league believe: the Redskins were interested in Peppers but never got in the hunt because they didn't want pay the kind of money Chicago eventually forked over for the talented defensive end.

By Rick Maese  |  March 8, 2010; 9:59 AM ET
Categories:  Bruce Allen , Daniel M. Snyder , Free agency  
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Comments

Hmmm....

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

It's almost like I'm running the team. So smart.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Rick Maese and Jason Reid are careful readers and re-writers of other people's work. Not sure what their value added is, but at least RI is a place for us to copy and paste Peter King, ESPN Insiders, PFT, etc.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

This is a dumb-ass article...RMease ur getting to be just like JReid..the crack-head Mayor of RI

Report something...stop just taking up space...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

With the 4th (floor) pick in the draft.....

....The Washington Redskins Select N'damaken Suh from the University of Nebraska.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

They are going to draft best available talent ... which is the way some successful franchises have been doing it. No its not going to be quarterback, its not going to be nose tackle. Its going to be offensive lineman, tackles because this draft is deep with that talent.

Posted by: periculum | March 8, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the Post is being entirely "shut out" of the process. Can't be making Cindy happy ...

Posted by: periculum | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

No News is Good News....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:15 AM
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calm before the storm?
Or, before the mega blockbuster Cutler deal??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. BA will speak to SI but not the Post. It looks like one of the conditions of the Allen hire was that he wasn't going to speak to the Post....

Posted by: charley42 | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

All this talk talk talk about ... and meet meet meet with ... offensive linemen is making me giddy.

Like maybe even if they "discover" some guy or "develop" some angry pounder (like the Falcons did with undrafted RFA Harvey Dahl). Could it be Heyer? Or Bachelor #3?

I'm thinking I might even break down and buy a jersey, where the number is "60s-70s" and the name across the back is "Offensive Lineman".

I'm also juiced about the possibility that the "tandem" of RBs could even end up including Thomas Jones. Portis-Jones or Jones-Portis (or Jones-Ganther!).

My latest saliva dream (much less messy form of wet dream) is that somehow teams (other than the Skins) start trading up to grab Bradford/Clausen/Okung ... and that the monster DTs fall to the Skins ... so that we can trade down just a couple of notches ... to grab Eric Berry ... and then another one of the other seven first round left tackles. I'm giddy just typing it.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Under Bruce Allen, free agency for Redskins may last for months"

It's sad when common damn sense becomes news.

So we wait to see what shakes out over a course of months and the draft before handing out contracts: wow, there's a new idea.

If anything, the approach highlights the extent to which Vinny Cerrato stewardship of the team was grounded in knee-jerk, fantasy-league style moves.

Bruce Allen wants to be the guy who hangs around to see what happens over the long term.

You never know who'll get released or traded after OTAs and the draft, so why add now when a better player might be free later?

This is a change we can all live with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Report something...stop just taking up space...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


I assume you posted this while at work?

Just saying.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

calm before the storm?
Or, before the mega blockbuster Cutler deal??


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM

I think this year will be calm....NExt year, prob not...

No way we get Cutler now that the bears heavily invested in their offense...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

....The Washington Redskins Select N'damaken Suh from the University of Nebraska.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:47 AM

That's the way its pronounced, but its spelled Ndamukong ... spelled as scary as it sounds ... more like a Transformer.

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Well it all makes sense but with UFA averaging 29 years old w/ signifcant wear and tear on the body, it sucks to have to judge Allen/Shanahan on this particular year for FAs. Couple that w/ a limited number of picks in the draft, my expectations are very low in terms of W-L record.

I'm excited that they at least have a plan and are sticking to that (the most important part). Let's see what they do over the next month or so. It'll be a loooooong free agency. Hope you all are patient!

Posted by: overzealous08 | March 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are going to be in big trouble come April if they are relying strictly on the draft to shore up the O-line. There is a VERY good chance both Bradford (Rams) and Okung (Lions) will be off the board by #4, and it is virtually impossible to trade out of that spot.

Posted by: McMetal | March 8, 2010 10:04 AM


I will be livid if that happens.

But if it does, no need in reaching for Claussen or something crazy...I'd just take whichever of the big DTs is left (probably Suh...I've heard McCoy better fits what the Bucs run) and be glad I've got a potential impact player at #4. Then go OL at #37 and hope for a great pick in the late rounds.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Buffalo will come get Clausen, or somebody will come get Berry or McSuh if Bradford and Okung go 1/2.

All will not be lost.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I freaking love Bruce Allen. Maybe it's in comparison to having such an inept lackey like Cerrato for a G.M. for so long, but Allen seems to get it. We're not a couple of pieces away, and you should build for a long term plan through the draft with a couple of role players through free agency. How many of the best teams in the NFL do this? Colts and Steelers come to mind and they have been consistantly two of the best franchises this decade. Who knows if this works in the long run, and it may not translate to a lot of wins next season, but what a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: DCinSD | March 8, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

the final straw was Vinny C claiming to have given Jim Zorn a "playoff roster"

That's when Danny Boy figured out how full of sh!t Vinny was.

Posted by: Vicc |

Disagree. He DID give him a playoff roster. A NCAA Div 3 Playoff roster.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"The Washington Redskins Select N'damaken Suh from the University of Nebraska"

I could see this happening with the team taking M Iupati (remember, Hicks can play right tackle) in round 2.

That would make for a very dull draft: two stud linemen.

And there's nothing wrong with that, mind you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Allen hasn't responded to The Post's requests for an interview since the free agency began.

LOL thats because you WaPo Azz hats have locked yourself out of your own market, hahahahahaha.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Rick Maese and Jason Reid are careful readers and re-writers of other people's work. Not sure what their value added is, but at least RI is a place for us to copy and paste Peter King, ESPN Insiders, PFT, etc.

Posted by: League-Source

You do have the address where to send your resume, right?

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm. BA will speak to SI but not the Post. It looks like one of the conditions of the Allen hire was that he wasn't going to speak to the Post....

Posted by: charley42 | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM
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I am sure Boswell, Jenkins and Feinstein have made the RI writer's jobs much more difficult in acquiring news out of Redskins PR. They probably have to check the newswires all day for late breaking news out of Redskins Park.

But, without those columnists calling out Snyder's management tactics, the past few years.... I have to believe the likes of Vinny would still be here along with the now dismissed season tickets lawsuits.
The Press has its place.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I POST IN BOLD I AM SO COOL

Posted by: supuradam | March 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I could see ... the team taking M Iupati ...

And there's nothing wrong with that, mind you.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Hold on just a minute...No wait, that's what Iupati does.

Dude has slow feet and grabby hands. Let him be someone else's problem.

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Earlier, we wondered whether the signings of Kyle Vanden Bosch and Nate Burleson -- as well as the trade for Corey Williams -- would change the draft plans of the Detroit Lions this spring.

The replies are coming in, and it's looking more and more as if they'll stick with Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy at No. 2. Daniel Jeremiah of MovetheSticks.com posted on Twitter, "I don't see the Lions altering their draft plans after these signings ... McCoy and Suh are head and shoulders above Okung on tape." John Niyo of The Detroit News weighed in, writing that to get the most out of the Williams trade and Vanden Bosch signing, the Lions need to invest their top pick in one of the big two.

Seems to indicate that Okung should still be there at #4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The $100M contract for AH last year pretty much determined that the Redskins would NOT be able to afford another such high profile contract on the DL.

The cap comes back in 2011 and Peppers deal would have been unworkable after 2010 for the Redskins.

Chicago had no choice because of all the picks it traded for Jay Cutler and the fact Gaines Adams passed in the offseason tragically after the Bears gave up a #2 pick for him.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

....The Washington Redskins Select N'damaken Suh from the University of Nebraska.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:47 AM

Two months ago zj mocked at my suggestion that the Skins would need a DT and take the BPA at #4 and that player would be Gerald McCoy. A month ago bloggers scoffed at my suggestion that Suh could fall to #4 and he would be the BPA. Just saying is all.

Posted by: TWISI | March 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

calm before the storm?
Or, before the mega blockbuster Cutler deal??


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 8, 2010 10:53 AM

I think this year will be calm....NExt year, prob not...

No way we get Cutler now that the bears heavily invested in their offense...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:56 AM================
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agreed.. Bears investment is VERY large in Cutler.. So, it would have to be a "blockbuster" transaction.

Shanny loves Cutler (whether he is good or not).. Drafted in the First Round by Shanny in 06, makes the ProBowl in 08.
And Bears just fired the guy (DePaul) that was the architect of the Cutler Deal. Not sure if that makes a difference but, interesting nonetheless. Especially, if the Bears FO now thinks it was a poor acquisition.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 8, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Two things about that SI article -

1) Peppers has the widest set of cheek bones and mouth I have EVER seen!

2) Ryan Clark's available! (Not sure, he'd want to return here though.)

Posted by: charley42 | March 8, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

McCoy and Suh are head and shoulders above Okung on tape." John Niyo of The Detroit News weighed in, writing that to get the most out of the Williams trade and Vanden Bosch signing, the Lions need to invest their top pick in one of the big two.

Seems to indicate that Okung should still be there at #4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM

If that's the case, why would WE want Okung just 2 picks later if his game tape isn't up to par??!!!?!?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

If that's the case, why would WE want Okung just 2 picks later if his game tape isn't up to par??!!!?!?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 11:14 AM |

Just because one man from Detroit says so doesn't make it so. And we need OL more than they do.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are going to be in big trouble come April if they are relying strictly on the draft to shore up the O-line. There is a VERY good chance both Bradford (Rams) and Okung (Lions) will be off the board by #4, and it is virtually impossible to trade out of that spot.

I am pretty sure this is how it's going to break down, which is a complete nightmare scenario for this team because the other guys out there are just not worth the $$$ we would have to pay.

Posted by: McMetal | March 8, 2010 10:04 AM

First of all, it is not "virtually impossible" to trade out of the no. 4 overall slot. Trades involving top-5 draft choices have occurred in four of the last ten years (2009, 2004, 2001, 2000), with three such trades happening in 2000 alone. It is harder to trade out of the no. 1 overall slot, but even that has happened twice in recent years (2001 with Vick and 2004 with Eli Manning).

Second, even if Okung and Bradford are both gone by pick 4, which is by no means certain, this draft is supposed to be deep in O-tackles, which should mean that we will be able to find at least one later in the draft.

Finally, servicable NFL offensive linemen should become available at relatively-bargain prices, either through free agency or trades, as teams go through the draft and through their mini-camps and determine which players they no longer need to keep around.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 8, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

....The Washington Redskins Select N'damaken Suh from the University of Nebraska.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 10:47 AM

Two months ago zj mocked at my suggestion that the Skins would need a DT and take the BPA at #4 and that player would be Gerald McCoy. A month ago bloggers scoffed at my suggestion that Suh could fall to #4 and he would be the BPA. Just saying is all.

Posted by: TWISI | March 8, 2010 11:10 AM


1. BRadford
2. Okung (the previous post about Okung was disinformation to have you think the Lions won't draft Okung).
3. McCoy (The next Gen Sapp)
4. Suh (If we stay Or someone trades up from someone looking to get Clausen)
3.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

One man from movethesticks, I should say.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What we need to do is begin to leak that we want a QB with #4 and that we would take Cluasen if Bradford is gone. Make it seem that were taking a QB no matter what... and then maybe some stupid team below us will freak out and trade up (in a perfect world with us) and then take Clausen and Bradford thus assuring us one of the aforementioned, Suh, Mccoy and Okung... That would just be too perfect... especially if we can trade back and pick up a few more picks

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

WWVD - Just ask yourself What Would Vinny Do?

And do the opposite.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 8, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You do have the address where to send your resume, right?

Posted by: TheCork | March 8, 2010 11:01 AM

Why would I want a job like Reid's? I think this is more up your alley.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Seems to indicate that Okung should still be there at #4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

With Williams and Sammie Lee Hill they still only have 2 DTs on the roster. Adding McCoy would significantly help that rotation. I think McCoy and Williams would probably become the starters with Hill being the rotation guy. Then they have Hunter at left end. If they get a stud right end in the draft or if someone works out a trade (Andre Carter) they could have a very nice front 4 in Detroit. The thing about them is that they really need help all over the place. I think they take the best player available at #2 and that's going to be McCoy or Suh.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Skins would be happy with any of the players that would be left at 4 Bradford, Suh, Okung, Berry.

Posted by: charley42 | March 8, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Seems to indicate that Okung should still be there at #4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM

I think Tampa would be more likely to take Okung than the lions.

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Completely non related thought:

With new B. Marshall to Cincy noises sounding, it would be oh so entertaining if the Team Obliterator finds himself on the outside looking in at all 32 teams.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"It's sad when common damn sense becomes news."

I so agree with this statement.

For years, it's been a$$ backwards around here for so long that it got to be common place.

A big two thumbs up for the new administration!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 8, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I hope Redskins fans will be patient if/when this measured approach doesn't bear good fruits early.

Posted by: tundey | March 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

McCoy and Suh are head and shoulders above Okung on tape." John Niyo of The Detroit News weighed in....

Seems to indicate that Okung should still be there at #4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 8, 2010 11:05 AM


Well it might "indicate" it if John Niyo were the GM, but he's a reporter like Jason Reid, right?

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The one thing I like about Shanny/Allen is this: Everyone on here has some conspiracy theory about the draft. McCoy,Suh,Bradford,Okung...etc.etc.

Everyone seems to think we are doing something different. Since we are all GM's in our daily fantasies, let's hope real GM's from other teams are guessing as much as we are.

Hopefully it will get a team to take the bait and want to trade up. I hope that team is the Seahawks.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN:
The Redskins dropped $63 million of dead salary cap pro-ration with the retirement of Chris Samuel and the releases of veterans Rock Cartwright, Todd Collins, Randy Thomas, Latrell Betts, Cornelius Griffin, Antwaan Randle-El and cornerback Fred Smoot. If there were a $123 million salary cap, the Redskins would have been $39 million over the cap after those transactions. For cash, the Redskins cut their payroll to $70.6 million, fourth-lowest in the league. Knowing Snyder, that number will grow.

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Anybody think there is any chance in hell the Rams make a move for Vick and go DT with the first pick?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is on ESPN First Take...he's saying he wants to "retake his crown" as one of the top young corners in the game. Says Shanahan has a ton of credibility in the locker room and that he'd take an O-lineman #4 in the draft.

Hope he's right on all counts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Two things:
1. Damn, Betts can't ever get any respect... ESPN didn't even get his first name right.

2. The national press is still having a hard time figuring out that there is a new sheriff with a new plan in town... and that Snyder is NOT running the show. Not surprising, even the locals didn't seem to get it until two months after Hamster Nation.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

At this point, it seems that there are a number of you congratulating Bruce Allen for the following:

- doing nothing
- Following a 'plan'

There is nothing so far to indicate that doing nothing is the better choice or that the plan they are following will bear fruit. Not jumping on FA talent quickly can mean that you miss out on someone who could actually help out your team (not saying he actually is, just saying it could happen). There is nothing inherently wrong with a quick pursuit of a player so long as the player is good for your team (a critical flaw that materialized too many times for VC). VC had a plan too that he followed. You may not have agreed with it, but it was there. VC's single biggest fault was not his plan or his approach, it was that he got, more often than not, the WRONG players. If VC had had a better track record with evaluating and selecting talent, the strike while for iron is hot approach could have been successful because it really does not matter how you build a team (FA vs draft), what matters is that the people you choose to put on your team are the right ones. Dan Snyder gives us the ability play the FA game in any manner. Our big spending ways have never seemed to block our ability to pursue any player whatsoever. You would think that after all the years of VC and DS spending wildly, signing Albert Haynesworth would have not been doable. But it was.

BA seems to have a different plan. But if he does not pick better players than VC did, he won't experience any more success. So for me, the jury is still out. I am not impressed with 'the plan' per se because it's the results that matter.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall is awful. He will not retake the crown as one of the best young corners because he consistenly gets beat like a redheaded step child... He gambles too often and fails to make the necessary tackles. He will pick off 5 balls a year but will give up 15 yard 1st down passes 5 times a game. NOT WORTH IT.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

will_ga, that's EXACTLY what we needed to do and that post highlights why. We did about 2 or 3 years worth of house cleaning in one offseason...the ultimate "get out of jail free" card!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 8, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"DeAngelo Hall is on ESPN First Take...he's saying he wants to "retake his crown" as one of the top young corners in the game.

How do you 'retake' what you were never given?

I don't ever remember reading where folks thought Hall was in the class of, say, D Reavis or A Winfield.

Or C Woodson or even A Samuel.

In fact, if you listed the names of the top ten corners in the league from 2006-2009, I doubt Hall's name gets dropped.

Hall should re-watch the tape of the skins v. falcons' game from the past season, highlight his mistakes in character, and let them be his teaching guide.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to think we are doing something different. Since we are all GM's in our daily fantasies, let's hope real GM's from other teams are guessing as much as we are.

Hopefully it will get a team to take the bait and want to trade up. I hope that team is the Seahawks.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 11:32 AM

We (I) can only work with what we (I) got....And that's hardly any thing...All of us are on the outside looking in....And the real ones in 'The Know' leak whatever they want for whatever reasons to the Beat Reporters and NAtional Press.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Is there ANY way we can get CJ Spiller?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

For cash, the Redskins cut their payroll to $70.6 million, fourth-lowest in the league. Knowing Snyder, that number will grow.

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2010 11:33 AM


The thing is...Snyder doesn't control the Football side of the Redskins anymore!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN:
The Redskins dropped $63 million of dead salary cap pro-ration with the retirement of Chris Samuel and the releases of veterans Rock Cartwright, Todd Collins, Randy Thomas, Latrell Betts, Cornelius Griffin, Antwaan Randle-El and cornerback Fred Smoot. If there were a $123 million salary cap, the Redskins would have been $39 million over the cap after those transactions. For cash, the Redskins cut their payroll to $70.6 million, fourth-lowest in the league. Knowing Snyder, that number will grow.

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2010 11:33 AM

Yep get the skins healthy again with regard to the cap and then build through the draft. No more huge contracts for aging players (Clifton). I like it. Question remains whether they build the lines first or take a QB.

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall is awful.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:40 AM

Agreed, ...stupid! Only reason he went to the Pro Bowl was because of his good looks.

Posted by: League-Source | March 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Is there ANY way we can get CJ Spiller?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Do you mean other than drafting him at #4?

There are a lot of good running backs in this years draft. If Spiller is available at 4, I'm not sure the Redskins should pick him.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Brown... we still have a lot of house cleaning to get done as well... Portis, sadly Moss should go soon, Rabach shouldn't have come back, Dhall really should be let go...

At the moment i cant think of anymore but im sure i will soon.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

This is a change we can all live with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 10:54 AM

For now. When you say "we," please remember this line after about Week Four when the peeps up here start screaming about the current level of inactivity (i.e., inactivity compared to the Cerrato/Owner/Gibbs/Zorn regimes).

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Is there ANY way we can get CJ Spiller?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse


If the team trades back into the late teens, maybe, but no way they pick him at #4.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"I will be livid if that happens.But if it does, no need in reaching for Claussen or something crazy...I'd just take whichever of the big DTs is left (probably Suh...I've heard McCoy better fits what the Bucs run) and be glad I've got a potential impact player at #4. Then go OL at #37 and hope for a great pick in the late rounds."

There are probably four or five OTs who are in the same class as Okung, just not as well known. One of them could very well turn out to be better. I suppose the team could take one of those DTs, but it's not compulsory.

We're not talking about Jon Ogden or Chris Samuels here. Okung is your converted TE type.

What you hope for is for some team to fall in love with Claussen and trade up from, say, the 15-22 spots. But that's difficult
to arrange. If you recall, Mangini accepted a bunch of Cleveland reserves along with a pick for Sanchez. That's because he had been coach of the Jets. Hard to see that happening again.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

BA dumped 11 aging, overpaid guys who were preventing better value players from appearing on the roster, and he has NOT chased and overpaid the very limited pool of UFA. Peppers? LOL good luck with that, Chicago. Their hand was forced with no 1/2 picks and Adams shocking untimely death and they WAAAAAY overpaid. Nobody was gonna beat them for Peppers. Dansby was never coming here, nor was Clifton. Cleveland can have Pashos. He has an overinflated sense of self worth and I think he wanted a guaranteed starting job that Shanny/BA were quite correctly not willing to give. IMO, Pashos = Heyer.

The above is NOT doing nothing, and oh by the way, is EXACTLY what they have said they would do all along.

CR22 is going to be traded, possibly extended with what he will consider a very low deal, and most likely kept on the roster for his tender if nobody wants to give BA good value in return and CR22 refuses to sign.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I really want Okung at 4, but I would not spaz if we took Spiller. Bradford, Suh or Clausen....then yes I would have a cardiac.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

League- that was a joke right?

You really believe Hall deserved to go to any pro bowl? Did you watch skins games last year? Did you realize how awful our 2ndary was, with Rogers and Landry included... but Hall leading the way? THe man did come down with 5 picks... yes. But he gave up at least 5 catches a game. He would give WR's 10 yards when it was 3rd and 3.... the man is not an elite corner and I would much rather have Rodgers and his inability to catch anything than Hall and his inability to cover anything.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins should trade down REGARDLESS of who falls to them at #4. If we can trade down and trade 1st round picks with someone, and pick up a 2nd and 3rd round pick or at least a 2nd and later rd pick, it'll be more than worth it. Pick OL with the pick and our 2nd rd pick, then with the rest of the picks, grab RB, LB, DB, DL. I'd also sign Thomas Jones IN A HEARTBEAT to a 3 year deal. Force Portis to either get on the bus, or look for a new team.

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | March 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

You really believe Hall deserved to go to any pro bowl? Did you watch skins games last year? Did you realize how awful our 2ndary was, with Rogers and Landry included... but Hall leading the way? THe man did come down with 5 picks... yes. But he gave up at least 5 catches a game. He would give WR's 10 yards when it was 3rd and 3.... the man is not an elite corner and I would much rather have Rodgers and his inability to catch anything than Hall and his inability to cover anything.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

LOL did you really just say that Carlos "double move" Rodgers is good in coverage?

Carlos is a better tackler than Hall, but that's about it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 11:39 AM

I don't agree with many of your points. First thing is that part of BA's plan is to plan for the future. I think the prudent course would be to put the team in a better salary position in the event a cap is re instituted. By releasing the 10 players he did, it help clear future dead cap issues. Secondly, BA has established a budget for the team. He has mentioned paying FAs for their expected contributions to team (years on the team, starter v. backup, versatility). He's stuck to the budget letting players like Clifton and Pashos walk. Finally, this year in particular, we'll see players that have roster bonus coming due, that don't fit with their current team's structure/needs being released. This is a good offseason to slow play the FA market, and that is a plan I can tolerate. Will it pay off in the end? We shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | March 8, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts...

I'd take D'Angelo Hall over Carlos Rogers any day...Hall is agressive and tends to be around the ball. He's not as good in run support though.

This is a sink or swim year for Campbell's career. He sunk with me two years ago, but for those that continue to ride that bus, I understand you need more time.

Don't think that just because we still have people like Cooley and Rogers on the roster means they won't trade them. If you can get a 2nd or 3rd for Cooley, I'd do it today. Yoder is a good 2nd Tight end.

I wonder if Marko Mitchell can beat out Kelly, Moss or Thomas for a starting spot.

We need to draft London Fletcher's replacement

I like Edwin Williams to groom at Center.

Emmit Smith's comments were a total low blow...totally classless...Dan Snyder did nothing to him.

...Be back later!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I still vote we try and trade back in the draft.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

"When you say "we," please remember this line after about Week Four when the peeps up here start screaming about the current level of inactivity..."


I suggest many of the whiners attend a BA metting.

You know, BA--Bloggas Anonymous.

You sit in a circle of sports fans who admit they addictively blog when they should be working, and know they have a problem.

I sat in one where a Mets' fan admitted he posted in a Red Sox blog that he was glad that Buckner's '86 World Series error had helped deepened his sorrow.

A Knicks fan said he still blogged that he believed W Reed was faking it in '72 and wasn't hurt, but had to rile up his team mates, especially Phil Jackson.

A Houston Oiler blogga complained that that the Titans had stolen his team's colors.

Yeah, that dude was massively confused.

Just like these skins fans who wanted change, but beg for more of the looney FA deals they later learned to hate.

Go 'head, admit you're craving a Vinny Cerrato-style hit of overpaying for Clifton/Pashos just to get that old feeling back.

Me?: now that I'm clean, all I'm feeling is happy that some people with clear heads are running things.

I now prefer to be hooked on common damn sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I missed Emmit Smith's comments.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Second, even if Okung and Bradford are both gone by pick 4, which is by no means certain, this draft is supposed to be deep in O-tackles, which should mean that we will be able to find at least one later in the draft.

Finally, servicable NFL offensive linemen should become available at relatively-bargain prices, either through free agency or trades, as teams go through the draft and through their mini-camps and determine which players they no longer need to keep around.

Posted by: rbpalmer

I hope you're right and there are takers for that #4 slot, but historically the odds would seem to be against us. Generally when teams move up it's to take a franchise QB, not a DT or Safety.

As far as grabbing guys further down the draft or bargain shopping after training camp cuts, we have tried that before with very poor results. (Rinehard has never developed, and none of the FA's we brought in recently have been remotely impressive)

And I know Rhino was a 3rd, not a low 1st rounder, but I really think they need a "lock" OL pick at least, and by all accounts Okung is that guy and is considerably ahead of the next closest guys.

They will need at least 2-3 solid starters on the O-line and they will really have to be lucky to get anyone good to fill those slots either through the draft or through FA. The quality we need at those positions does not exist on the roster currently, IMO.

I've thought about it all weekend and I think they took a big risk passing on Pashos. If the FO plan is to take their lumps and limp through the season with a bunch of stiffs they have to settle for on the O-line, I don't think that helps at all. The offense will continue to stink, whoever plays QB is going to get creamed all year, and the fans will be in an uproar.

I realize there's a lot of time between now and the start of the season, and a lot could change, but part of me has a sinking feeling they are almost too willing to tank next year in the interest of future stability.

Posted by: McMetal | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

look these things take time it's a process and i like the poker face these two bring to the table- allen & shanny- not that i was ask but anyway look for the finished product, beside thesa bums want to much money for them selves but its a team sport do you undestand u need the right people to do this and their isno i in team u getit man u get it huh huh huh

Posted by: teresabogans | March 8, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

BA seems to have a different plan. But if he does not pick better players than VC did, he won't experience any more success. So for me, the jury is still out. I am not impressed with 'the plan' per se because it's the results that matter.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

BA is doing exactly what we want him to do. Doing nothing in FA is the first phase of the dreaded R-word. Don't kid yourself kids. This is a total rebuild. Trades and FA are ways to fill roster spots on a contender. That's not how you build a team. We are not a contender. We need to stockpile young talent and let them fight each other in camp. Clearing roster spots on the eve of a very talented undrafted free agent class is a good move. We'll turnover a lot more of our roster during camps and the preseason. We may have less than half of the 2009 Redskins still playing for us in 2010 and that's a good thing. During the blood bath we will get much much younger and guys you never thought were any good are going to surprise you. We may end up with more picks in next year's draft too. Guys like Carter that don't fit with what we are trying to do and have some value may be traded to a contender that only has 1 hole in their roster. It's good for the long term because it doesn't suppress the development of young talent but it may suck in the meantime.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation, brace yourselves. We will not make the playoffs again until the 2013 season (2012 AT BEST)! Youth movements (I know you all hate hearing the word rebuilding) take time. New coach, new system, and new players. Name the last team that rebuilt their team with FA to win a SB? It starts with the draft, and gets tweaked with FA. It's gonna take us at least 3 drafts to solidify the essential positions, and from there, we should've either developed our own players, or signe KEY FA here and there. 2013 people. Just suck it up, be patient, and stay tuned.

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | March 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

BA dumped 11 aging, overpaid guys who were preventing better value players from appearing on the roster, and he has NOT chased and overpaid the very limited pool of UFA.
Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Everybody is dumping old vets-it's the start of FA (and the uncapped year). A number of them were not overpaid and until we get their replacements, we can't say for sure they were in the way of 'better value players'. Your analysis of the talent they are passing over may or may not be correct. Again, that is the key. What players will be here. Every year, the FA roster is filled with both Randy Thomas' and Deion Sanders'...the key is knowing to pick Thomas and not Sanders. And for the record, Vinny followed his plan EXACTLY too.

Look, the Detroit Lions, under Matt Millen had basically the current BA plan - (re)build through the draft and supplement with mid and lower range FAs. They stayed with their plan. The fact that MM was uniquely HORRID as a talent evaluator has everything to do with why the Lions are where they are. Not the plan itself.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

During the blood bath we will get much much younger and guys you never thought were any good are going to surprise you. We may end up with more picks in next year's draft too. Guys like Carter that don't fit with what we are trying to do and have some value may be traded to a contender that only has 1 hole in their roster. It's good for the long term because it doesn't suppress the development of young talent but it may suck in the meantime.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17

I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find some Matt Millen quotes that echo your thoughts. It comes down to getting talent on the field...whether it is via FA, developing your current players or drafting well. I'm not saying BAs plan is bad (or unwanted). But just because it is different than VCs does not make it necessarily better. It all comes down to results, of which we have none yet for BA.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I see many people warning that we should be patient and not to expect too much this year, which may be right, but I remember a few years ago when Marty came in, cleaned house, and didn't let the inmates and star veterans (Bruce Smith et al) run the asylum. Then he ruled with an iron fist. It took them 5 games (all losses) to buy in, but they went 8-3 the rest of the way, and actually had a shot at the playoffs late in the season. I see Shanny in that mold. He has made some comments about coaching this team up. If he rules and gets them to buy in, I think we will be pretty competitive. If BA makes the right moves, who knows. Either way, it is obvious that they are planning long term, which is a breath of fresh air, but don't rule out a solid season this year.

Posted by: mj25 | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Why does JR post an article every day about nothing? Give us news when there is news about the skins. Stop stealing money.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with alwaysactingafool.

Build through the draft, tweak with free agency.

Rarely does a Drew Brees show up in free agency.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

all well and good to take things slowly..but how many O linemen worth having will be around to sign by the beginning of camp?
If they need to reduce the salary figure..trade Fat Albert.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"What we need to do is begin to leak that we want a QB with #4 and that we would take Cluasen if Bradford is gone. Make it seem that were taking a QB no matter what... and then maybe some stupid team below us will freak out and trade up (in a perfect world with us) and then take Clausen and Bradford thus assuring us one of the aforementioned, Suh, Mccoy and Okung... That would just be too perfect... especially if we can trade back and pick up a few more picks
Posted by: peoplearestupid1"

Sounds like you're hoping people are stupid.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Build for the future....and plugin veteran FAs that fit AT THE RIGHT PRICE.

Love this regime......I cannot wait for the draft!!

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 8, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Do you know what's really cool? Nobody really knows what the Skins will do. The Skins were totally predictable under Vinny Cerrato. Now they are totally unpredictable. Who wasn't surprised when they did not chase after Julius Peppers? Nobody knows for sure what defensive scheme they will be using. Very refreshing!

The team's management seems willing to allow unknown scenarios unfold. That's a huge change from Vinny's overly aggressive approach. Who knows what opportunities might open up before the draft and during the Pre-Season? When the right opportunities arise, I get a feeling that the new regime will be totally prepared to pounce.

On a different matter, I'm not sure that the players who were released would appreciate DHall's characterization of them as "dead weight." It will be interesting to see how Shanahan handles outspoken players when they consistently miss tackles.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | March 8, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Colts dump starting guard Ryan Lilja... get him asap

Posted by: tfiggy1729 | March 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

first 5 picks of the draft in my humble, hopeless stupidity:

St Louis: Sam Bradford QB
Detroit: Ndamukong Suh DT
Tampa Bay: Eric Berry S
Washington: Russell Okung OT
Kansas City: Brandon Spikes LB

Posted by: willfacc10 | March 8, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade down, get a top OT and Spiller?

Posted by: artsnsportz | March 9, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

What is that........is that hope I'm feeling? Wow...........it's been so long!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RealConservative | March 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Nothing will make a difference unless we get a new QB... people are fooling themselves if they think the reason the Skins were 4-12 was just because of the OL. Campbell had a BIG hand in it. He made the line look worse than it was by not being able to read defenses or blitzes, holding the ball to long and dumping off underneath to often causing 3 and outs... Like to see Colt get a shot or bring in Clausen.. but Skins will not be winners again until Campbell is gone!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 9, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Nothing will make a difference unless we get a new QB... people are fooling themselves if they think the reason the Skins were 4-12 was just because of the OL. Campbell had a BIG hand in it. He made the line look worse than it was by not being able to read defenses or blitzes, holding the ball to long and dumping off underneath to often causing 3 and outs... Like to see Colt get a shot or bring in Clausen.. but Skins will not be winners again until Campbell is gone!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 9, 2010 10:08 AM |

sovine- that could be true, however, when 90% of the league see you have a dead line, your team knows you have a dead line, and the fans are offering to help by playing OL, it's OBVIOUS what has to be done. Now I'm not opposed to bringing in another QB. Hell, they could draft 1 in the 2nd rd and i'd be ok with that, but fix the line FIRST. Let's not forget that the QBs everyone is talking about are COMING OFF OF INJURY. You can't run for your life if you can't run. Keep Campbell for the year, fix the line, and draft another QB AFTER the line has been addressed. Let them compete with a level playing field after that.

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | March 9, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

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