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Time to ask "Who's on the Bubble?"

I'm starting to worry about my man Chris Wilson making the team. Wilson was one of the real feel-good stories of 2007, coming out of nowhere (Norwood College and the CFL) to win a job and contribute on third down and special teams.

But he's a DE, and all of a sudden with Jason Taylor and Erasmus James coming here in trades, there are plenty of ends. Last year, the Skins opened the season with nine defensive linemen (including swingman Lorenzo Alexander, who was playing a lot on the offensive line).

Barring injuries, and assuming James progresses as they believe he will, you've got eight "locks" - Taylor, James, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Demetric Evans, and Lorenzo Alexander. That leaves Wilson and rookie seventh-round pick Rob Jackson fighting for that last spot, assuming they go with nine. Now there's a good chance they could put Jackson on the practice squad and get away with it. But Wilson missed a few weeks with his calf injury and he's not at a point in his career yet where he can afford to miss being on the field for a significant stretch.

Wilson and Jackson were working as the ends with the second team in practice - Evans was getting a lot of work as a tackle with the first string, as the Skins were working a lot on their nickel package this morning (Evans can excel at rushing or dropping back in coverage in that sub package).

He's a hard worker and a great kid and I think he'll claw his way back onto the 53-man roster again, but it'll be a fight. Other than Wilson, I can't think of too many other guys who contributed last year really being in jeopardy of not making it. (Unlike a year ago, when guys like Renaldo Wynn, Lemar Marshall and Joe Salave'a were let go.)


Punter Derrick Frost, obviously, could be gone. And veteran tackleTodd Wade could end up out, too, with guys like Stephon Heyer and Chad Rinehart passing him by. But that's about it off the top of my head. I gotta think they start the year with three tight ends, given how much rookie Fred Davis has to learn, and even then Zorn seems to prefer using three TEs to going tackle eligible with a Lorenzo Alexander-type in his jumbo packages, so you need bodies there. So Todd Yoder would seem to be safe.

I think Matt Sinclair is gonna be fine again as a reserve LB/special teams guy. Vernon Fox is the only reserve safety on the roster who has actually played in the league, and his ability to play both spots as well as shine on teams puts him on the 53-man.

And I'm sure some of you guys will throw out Rock Cartwright as a possible casualty given the rise of Marcus Mason and all, but I think if they keep Mason he's the fourth RB, and not the third. Rock means too much to every single special teams unit for me to see him being cut now.

Anyway, that's my take on the situation. What did I miss? Where did I screw up?

Next practice is at 3, so I'll check in with any updates from there.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 12, 2008; 1:37 PM ET
 
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Posted by: mooch | August 12, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Go Redskins

Posted by: WoodyFL | August 12, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Byron Westbrook? They seem to really like him and while he got torched once last week, that was Roscoe Parrish, who also torched Torrence and Tryon.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 12, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I think the team moves on from Wade, agreed on that point. Some backup OL battles are worth watching, as well as the 6th wr spot

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Greg,

You have to keep these young O-Linemen that are playing well, much more upside then keeping an old guy who can not stay healthy.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

How many corners will they keep anyway? Springs, Rogers, Smoot, and Torrence for sure, but how many total? 6? I think if it's 6 Westbrook makes it.

Posted by: Jork | August 12, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

km, me personally, I'd like to see both Wade, and Fabini let go, and a youth movement take place. Reinhart, Geisinger, could be as good, while much less expensive. Stick Crummey on the P-Squad, and learn him up for next year.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I just do not think that Rock is anything special as a RB. STer, yes, but not as a running back. I say give the kid Mason a try IF we can find a kickreturner to replace Rock.

I do agree with you on Wade. Would like to see one of the young OL guys replace JF too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

My gut tells me that if Horton and Moore continue to shine, Fox gets cut. After Hortons performance in the HOF Game, i don't think he would last on the practice squad. Moore might be able to, but the coaches really seem to like him and he is starting to make some plays. If one of the rookies slips, then its another matter entirely, but Fox really needs to start making some plays if he wants some job security.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 12, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook covers like Barry Wilburn used to... he sticks to the man but never looks back for the ball. I like Richardson's man-to-man skills as a long shot.

Would like to see the F.O. have some courage to start a youth movement along the O-line. This seems like the first time in a while that there seems like some real talent out there they can develop... Wade is past his prime and fragile...

There are some seriously tough choices this year... which mean the V-man is actually earning his keep by finding young guys with ability.

Posted by: Bob S. | August 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Todd Wade sucks just as much as the food in prison.

Posted by: Prison Balls | August 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

curz, agreed on rock as a rb, but his value is in being the KR, as well as being a special teams demon. The problem is that if you keep Mason, you lose something on kick off returns, and you lose something on special teams.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a transition year, to say the least.
Now is the time to make transitions, so, I'm for a youth movement.

But I don't see any big surprises either. Just which valuable players don't make the cut. And who gets picked up by another team.

Posted by: stumped | August 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

JLac any word on Erasmus James at practice, has he looked pretty good, eventhough it is first couple of days back in pads? Wade I think is a goner, Fabini played well against Buffalo and has some versatility in playing both guard and tackle.
I like Mason as a RB, not a special teamer, but that can be taught, look at Rock he was taught how to play Special teams, Betts could go back to playing Kick offs - I say cut Rock and let him find another home, you know he will.

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

For those of you wondering if the Skins game will be televised nationally - like me - looks like the NFL network will be showing it live!!


Since last week’s live Skins blog went over so well, and the NFL Network was kind enough to put the Skins on Live for a national audience for the third straight week, there is going to be another Live blog this week on Hog Heaven.

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/08/12/announcing-another-live-blog-this-saturday/

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Out with Wade. I think we'd need to keep Fabini they need to reshuffle.

Posted by: stumped | August 12, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's my Take.

Wilson in - Jackson P Squad

Horton, Moore & Hamilton in, Fox out.

Tyron in, Westbrook P Squad.

Mason & Rock in.

Yoder in

Wade out, Crummey P squad. Rinehart, Heyer, Fabini, dress each week (the backup center makes the roster but doesn't dress. name?)

Nemo out.

Only 5 wides.

3 TE's, 1 FB, 4 RB's, 3QB's, 9 Oline, 5 WR's.

9 Dline, 6 LB's, 5 CB's, 5 Safeties.

Posted by: ryan c | August 12, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's give Vinny his props. This team has the best talent I've seen here in years.

Posted by: MJ | August 12, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I like the poll results on the mvn.cm site -

POLL

How about it fans, should the Washington team drop the name "Redskins?"

Hell No - 440 - 81% of all votes
No - 101 - 19% of all votes

Total Votes: 541

Posted by: charlie | August 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Wade is gone, and I think we go like this:

QB: 3
Campbell
Collins
Colt

RB: 4
CP
Betts
Rock
M & M

WR: 6
Moss
ARE
Thrash
Thomas
Kelly
Mix
McMullen

TE: 3
the Captain
Davis
Yoder

Oline: 9
Samuels
Kendal
Rabach
Thomas
Jansen
Heyer
Fabini
Rinehart
Geisinger

Dline: 9
Carter
Taylor
Griff
Monte
Gholston
Evans
James
Alexander
Wilson (Jackson to the P-squad)

LB: 6
Washington
Fletcher
Rocky
Campbell
Blades
Sinclair

Secondary: 10
Springs
Smoot
Rogers
Torrence
Tryon
Landry
Doughty
Horton
Moore
Fox

Specials: 3
Albright
Brooks
Swiss and Ham

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 12, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

mhartz, "I say cut Rock and let him find another home, you know he will"

he had the opportunity to sign with 31 teams this offseason, and didn't so much as get a sniff.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

WR: 6
Moss
ARE
Thrash
Thomas
Kelly
Mix
McMullen

Thats 7, not 6.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wade is past his prime and fragile...
Posted by: Bob S. | August 12, 2008 1:56 PM


I'm trying to remember when Wade's "prime" was

Posted by: cej75024 | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

IMO Crummy gets picked up from the practice squad by another team. I say keep him over JF since both Heyer and Rinehart can play tackle.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm sayin, Greg. I know there's a glut of running backs out there. But no offers for CP, Betts or RC? Not right!

Posted by: Dik | August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but I gotta second MJ -- Vinny has done a nice job of stockpiling talent and the coaching staff is coaching them up.

(Also props for taking the gamble on Erasmus James in exchange for a conditional 7th round pick. If the guy is healthy, he'll be a beast.)

Posted by: tfirey | August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 12, 2008 2:18 PM

From what I've seen, keep Richardson (Hot Wheels) over Tryon.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but I gotta second MJ -- Vinny has done a nice job of stockpiling talent...

Don't hate to say it. It is a very very good thing.

Go Vinny, after all it's your a$$ on the line.

Posted by: stumped | August 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

E James a lock to make the team??? The Vikings cut this guy for a reason. I think Chris Wiloson is far better than James and is easily our third best DE.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson looks like he has more upside than wilson. From what I have seen he can pass rush and play the run.

Posted by: Great One | August 12, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The game is on NFL network on Saturday at 7:00pm est.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

No one took a bite on Cartwright, b/c they knew he wanted way too much money for his play.

Posted by: mhartz1 | August 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

mhartz, or that Rock wanted a #2 job somewhere, and he just doesn't have the skill set to pull that off.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

E James a lock to make the team??? The Vikings cut this guy for a reason. I think Chris Wiloson is far better than James...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:29 PM

Really? When did you watch James play?

The Vikings drafted him in the first round for a reason, and that's the reason we gave up a conditional pick in the seventh for him. Once we see him play -- and he played well for Minni as a rookie -- then we can make an "informed" decision. Right now, it seems premature to compare a guy we haven't seen to one who we have seen.

Posted by: Motivator | August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Irascible Erasmus - we are hoping he will come back with a vengeance.

We will see.

Posted by: stumped | August 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Would like to see one of the young OL guys replace JF too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 1:54 PM

Right now, with Heyer hurt, Fabini is our first replacement at G or T.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else a little concerned that Thrash is still our 3rd WR? I mean he's old, and not that good. He's good on Special teams, but how many other teams in th NFL would love to have him as their third WR? I know the rooks were injured, but come on guys. Also, Mason this, Mason that. unitl he gets in with the first string O-line against the D-line, we won't know. I do know RB's straight from college make the transistion quickly, (the good ones do)

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Gee one guy who takes the place of 3 on your roster. Yeah - too high priced. I'm sure..

I'm tellin' ya. These guys will get more respect once we're in the NFC finals.

Posted by: Dik | August 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE OF THE DAY:

"He's a great guy with talent, a good nose for the ball, he brings a lot to the game. I'm excited to have him here," said Thomas. "He can cover tight ends, play defense, play the run, so I'm excited to have him."

So, who is this guy that Thomas is talking about???

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

WR: 6
Moss
ARE
Thrash
Thomas
Kelly
Mix
McMullen

Thats 7, not 6.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 2:21 PM

great point anon... Plus dude left out Mike Sellers

Posted by: Larry Bud | August 12, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

why are people giving us 10 dbs? that seems a big excessive to me. I think we go 9-7-9 with DL, LB, and DBs respectively.

I agree with zjfr2's roster except he cant count (WR's) and he forgot all about the FB position and left out sellers. My projected roster is identical except I say we keep 5WRs and 4Safeties with McMullen and Hamilton not making the squad.

Replacing them is our lone Fullback, Sellers and an extra LB, Alfred Fincher.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 12, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

al, they would be speaking of Archuletta.

Keep the bonus points if that is what I've won...

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

AL Zeke etc.

Your own, your very own...

Adam Archuleta!!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I disagree on Thrash. I don't think he has had much of an opportunity in Washington considering the conservative style of Joe Gibbs.

The brass seems to think highly of him; and with the more "wide open" approach of Jim Zorn...I think this will be his chance

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

So Cindy, 'Herm the Germ' strikes again!!!

Just when you thought he couldn't break your heart again....

Posted by: Redcoat | August 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If you want to get rid of someone, I've always felt that now is the time to do. If you think you want to let Wade go or Chris Wilson go, trade him for pick. But get something in return.

Asking for a 7th round pick in 2010 is something teams will part with in order to keep a guy they might need out of FA (which is what happens when he gets cut), especially if its a position where a team is thin.

The Skins should take advantage of this if the writing is on the wall.

Must admit though, I did like what I saw of Wilson last year.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Archibungus.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Why ya'll knockin Rock? If I recall correctly, in the only game where he actually got playing time at RB a few seasons ago, Rock ran all over the opposing team for 100+ yards, in a REAL GAME.

I like Mason, but what has he done besides perform well against guys who will be sacking my groceries next week.

Plus his special teams ability and hustle is proven, Mason's is not. Recall last season when Rock sprinted down field to recover Thrash's fumble after long punt return to set up a score.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I don't see Fabini in the team's long term plans, but it would be hard to see them cut Fabini at this point. He made several great plays in the two preseason games. Bett's touchdown in particular comes to mind, where Fabini made TWO key blocks in one play. Coaches notice such plays. I think that Fabini makes the team unless he totally screws up in the last three games or gets injured.

Posted by: M | August 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Love Rock...hope he stays

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2. Skins will have to keep 5 RB if Mason makes the team. Don't forget about Sellers. I think the skins will keep Mix over McMullen. Mix is very good on kickoff coverage. Also if the the skins keep 3 Qb's, then I think they'll go with less safties because Springs can rotate there.

Posted by: MJ | August 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, just curious. Lots of people seem to think Zack Thomas was this great player. But everytime I saw him, he never stood out as great. Not like Seau with the Chargers or other top LBs. Was Thomas overrated or did I just see the some of his more mundane games?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Love Rock...hope he stays

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 3:00 PM

ME TOO!!!

Posted by: Marion Barry | August 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

I understand what you're saying about Thrash. I read how he's a gym rat and a gamer, etc.. but still, how many NFL teams would seriously want to trade their starting 3rd WR for Thrash?

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Love Rock. Remember Spurrier used him in short-yardage 3rd & 4th down plays in his rookie season, actually with some success. Plus gotta keep a guy with the name Rocky.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Rock fumbled vs KC a few years back and it was returned for a TD. And for that sin, he has basically been kept off the field as an RB since.

I've always felt that was an overreaction.

I'd like to think the new coach would see that Rock can carry the ball effectively, and see if fumbles are really an issue or just an unlucky moment

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the relative anonymity of James Thrash will help him stand out as the No # reciever. With Moss and ARE drawing the bul;k of the attention, Thrash will make it happen.

JC is poised enough to be patient and look at his options.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Just to add to my previous post, there is no way we go into the season without 7 linebackers. No way. Our top 4 linebackers all have serious health/age concerns. McIntosh and Blades are injury risks, Fletcher is old, and Washington is both. Yes, Fletcher been rock solid throughout his career but he can't continue to play at that level indefinitely. its not hard to imagine all 4 of these guys missing games throughout the season. We need depth here BADLY. Fincher has done a great job for being on the team such a short period of time.

The only way we go with 6LB is if we go with 10DL since both Carter and Jason Taylor could play LB in a pinch... Taylor will probably play some LB for us anyway this year on obvious running downs, as it suits his strengths. That might open a roster spot for a guy like Jackson to make the squad...


Anyway, what it comes down to is we are going to have to make a choice between a few key players at different positions. I do not see zorn dipping into Blaches 25 defensive players. He's not going to tell Blache he can only have 24 players so he can have 26 on offense. Our offense is stocked with talent (especially at the WR/TE position) and our defense is much more injury-prone. If anything, we'd go with 24 offenseive players and 26 defensive.

Assuming Zorn sticks with 25 offensive players, its going to come down to this. Between Cartwright, Mason, McMullen - pick two.

In the event Zorn does the smart thing (IMO) and goes with 24 offensive players to help our injury stricken, talent-depraved defense, only one of those 3 players makes the roster. In that case, theres no way its McMullen. and Mason is going to make a case to push Cartwright out the door.

Having so much talent and potential on offense is not a bad problem to have, people.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

M, agree to disagree. I'd rather they kept one of the youngin's, and coached them up. I think Reinhart has as much ability as Fabini, or at least as much potential.

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I've updated what zjif2 did to include Sellers. But that leaves 54 Positions. I think the Skins only Keep 9 Safeties. Only one of the 2 rookies (Moore/Horton) will make the team. The other they will try and stash on the Practice squad.


QB: 3
Campbell
Collins
Colt

RB: 4 (7 Total)
CP
Betts
Rock
M & M

WR: 6 (13 Total)
Moss
ARE
Thrash
Thomas
Kelly
Mix/McMullen

TE/FB: 4 (17 Total)
the Captain
Davis
Yoder
Sellers

Oline: 9 (26 Total Offense)
Samuels
Kendal
Rabach
Thomas
Jansen
Heyer
Fabini
Rinehart
Geisinger

Dline: 9 (35 Total)
Carter
Taylor
Griff
Monte
Gholston
Evans
James
Alexander
Wilson/Jackson

LB: 6 (41 Total)
Washington
Fletcher
Rocky
Campbell
Blades
Sinclair

Secondary: 9 (50 Total)
Springs
Smoot
Rogers
Torrence
Tryon
Landry
Doughty
Fox
Horton/Moore

Specials: 3 (53 Total)
Albright
Brooks
Swiss and Ham

Posted by: Paul S. | August 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Love Rock. Remember Spurrier used him in short-yardage 3rd & 4th down plays in his rookie season, actually with some success. Plus gotta keep a guy with the name Rocky.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 12, 2008 3:03 PM

Gibbs used to drive me crazy with this. In short yardage you give it to the bulldozer, not the ice-skater

Posted by: Cheyenne, W | August 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Mix is gone. He did play well last season on teams, but that was only when Thrash was out. I seriously doubt the team keeps Thrash and Mix.

Secondly, we've got guys with size now (if they can ever get healthy), so that's less important.

Lastly, guys on the bubble who get injured during camp are generally SOL.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Talkshow. So how many players at WR do you think make the roster?

Posted by: MJ | August 12, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, that is one of the all time great sentences

"Hopefully the relative anonymity of James Thrash will help him stand out ..."

Though anonymity is not a quality one looks for in a WR.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Herm Edwards is killing me and it's only Aug. 12.

Posted by: Cindy | August 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Training Camp: August 11
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Aug 11, 2008

How is Carlos Rogers looking? How about Devin Thomas? What is the big debate at camp on the offense? Why was Marcus Washington razzing Colt Brennan? All this and more right here...

...Best wishes to the Bugel family. Coach Joe Bugel is in Houston with his family and daughter Holly, who has a rare form of bone cancer. He could be gone for a week. Owner Dan Snyder let Bugel fly to Houston on his plane after the Bills game. Say what you want about Snyder – and we have – but he always comes through during times of crisis for his family and staff. It’s happened every year it seems.

...Defensive end Erasmus James was taken off the physically unable to perform list after passing his physical within the past week. James participated in individual drills and is expected to take part in full-pad work Tuesday morning.

James would give the Redskins another potential pass rusher, though he has just five sacks in 23 career games. Can he go inside? Guess so. But at 261 pounds he’s small – and fragile. The Vikings did not like him in that role for those reasons.

...James said he hasn’t ruled out playing Saturday.

...Defensive line coach John Palermo put his group through an agility drill in which they run around two large hula hoops, touching their hands down halfway around. At one point, he yelled to Matthias Askew, "Get that big ass down! Keep your eyes up straight."

...Chris Wilson did a good job in that drill. Still haven’t seen him do ANYTHING during team drills.

...When James did this drill, he went fairly quick. "I don’t care how fast you do it," Palermo told him.

...Rob Jackson was very quick getting around the hoops. The kid has some ability, but he was rather quiet against the Bills.

...After Colt Brennan threw an incompletion to Chris Cooley in a four-on-four drill, Marcus Washington chirped, "Get a new play! Get a new play!" Washington is having as much fun as anyone this camp.

...Alfred Fincher picked off a pass in practice today. But I wonder about his ability to play special teams. It’s not anything I saw in the game, but Danny Smith chided him in a special teams practice this afternoon.

...Antwaan Randle El turned around Leigh Torrence on one route. Randle El looks good as well.

...Here’s the big debate (well, not that big): Who will catch more passes, Chris Cooley or Santana Moss? Cooley will be open a lot, but if this offense is to be dynamic, Moss has to be the guy. One thought is that Cooley will have more catches, but that Moss will have more yards. Could be.

...Couldn’t see who he was talking to, but Fred Smoot got off a good line during practice after a good play by one corner, "Got a little peanut butter with that jam?"

...Khary Campbell had a pick today.

...Carlos Rogers is in midseason form. Want to know why we say that? Because he dropped an interception. But I will say, he’s looked as good, or better, as any corner.

...Rogers still likely won’t play until the Carolina preseason game at the earliest. That’s what he’s looking at and, thus far, he’s been dead-on with where he was at.

...Devin Thomas returned to practice for the first time since July 24. He dropped one pass, but he did show a good ability to get in and out of his break. Thomas might play this week.

...Chad Rinehart stuck around after practice to work on his pass sets.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/778362.html

Posted by: Keim to da Post | August 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have 3 conspicuous receivers than one who is obscured by anonymity. Go figure.

What is Fred Davis doing?

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

You are not going to have a premier corner covering your No 3 reciever. Thrash has the speed to mkae things happen. If he can get one on one with a LB in a mid-range passing play, he can do some damage

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agree with the roster discussions. Reality is that injuries determines who stays and who goes.

If a guy like McMullen is hurt and would miss several games, he's gone. Same for a lot of the bubble guys.

3 more games before the season starts, injuries will be a big part of the roster calls

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I got it Cheyenne, you like Thrash.

Nothing else matters. :)

Posted by: MyrtleBeachMike | August 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

How exactly is James Thrash anonymous again? Old, sure.. but anonymous??

Posted by: Dik | August 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Are there any kickers out there right now. Suisham makes me a little nervous

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 12, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

thanks Keim.

Posted by: Skinz | August 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I know last season they only kept 4 cb's because they had guys like fox and prielouaeoii (sp?) who had experience as a cb at some point in their career. Does anyone knoe if horton or kareem abdul jabar have said experience / will springs exp as a safety this year allow them to keep one more cb aqnd one less safety?

Posted by: andrew | August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, just curious. Lots of people seem to think Zack Thomas was this great player. But everytime I saw him, he never stood out as great. ... Was Thomas overrated or did I just see the some of his more mundane games?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:01 PM

I'm pretty sure Zach leads the league in tackles/solo tackles since he came in.

He's unspectacular, and he's probably not as stylish as LFB, but he's very solid and for many years was practically impossible to run over or past as he has/had a great knack for reading offenses and being exactly where he needed to be.

A lot of people say he's a lock for first-round HOF but I don't think that's a given.

If he's not been turned completely into scrambled eggs by the most recent concussions of last year he may give your offense a tough time of it in the Dallas games, but I can't help thinking this year is totally his last hurrah.

He's not a physical specimen like Seau who got 'rested' at some points in his career by njuries - as odd as that sounds - Zach was an every down player for many years, really until last year, so he has a LOT of miles on the clock.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Chey - never trust a CowPatty!

Posted by: Dik | August 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

That screen touchdown to Betts wouldn't have been possible w/o Fabini, he squashed two defenders in a row. Of course new blood's welcome, but this season I think that Zorn's passing game is going to be well-complemented by keeping some of Gibbs' old power running plays, which might mean holding onto to some of those vet linemen who served under Gibbs.

Posted by: Josh | August 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is in midseason form. Want to know why we say that? Because he dropped an interception. But I will say, he’s looked as good, or better, as any corner

Comedy, and good news all wrapped up in one....

Posted by: Greg | August 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Technically FBs are RBs....butt I digress....

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 12, 2008 1:03 PM"

Do we really have to go over this again???

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's my prediction from Sunday with two noticeable revisions...

think Mix's recent injury will have him on the outside looking in unless he blows Hixon & Zorn's socks off in the last two ps games... Sounds like Tryon continues to get burned, I would say he's a project...

Opening day roster prediction:

QB: Campbell, Collins, **Brennan**(3)
RB: Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason (4)
FB: Sellers (1)
TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder (3)
WR: Moss, Randle-El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen (6)
OL: Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Rinehart, Fabini, Heyer, **Geisinger**(9)
DL: Taylor, Griffin, Montgomery, Carter, Evans, Golston, Alexander, James, Wilson (9)
LB: Washington, Fletcher, McIntosh, Sinclair, Blades, Campbell (6)
DB: Springs, Landry, Doughty, Smoot, Rogers, Moore, Horton, Torrence, Richardson (9)
LS: Albright (1)
P: Brooks (1)
K: Suisham (1)

Practice Squad: Tryon, Devine, Westbrook, Jackson
Cuts: Mix, **Wade**

Posted by: JinxMan7997 | August 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Carlos Rogers is in midseason form. Want to know why we say that? Because he dropped an interception."

Maps! Irregardless and like such as.

Posted by: stumped | August 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, glad you like Thrash -- and I did understand your point about how a defense might play a guy that they don't think can hurt them. Still, loved the comment

"Hopefully the relative anonymity of James Thrash will help him stand out ..."

Yogi Berra would be proud.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Beep! Beep!

Posted by: | August 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

MJ, only 5 WR make the roster if we keep 4RB. Personally, i dont think we should have 6WR regardless.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Any word on how Tryon looks in practice? He's been unimpressive in the games so far. Maybe he goes to the practice squad and they keep Horton and Moore - keep hearing good things about them at least. The LB Fincher? seemed to be around the ball alot during the Bills game as well.

Posted by: skinswest | August 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

beepbeep

Posted by: Cindy | August 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet that they will keep Fabini, Crummy (sp?) and Rhinehard, and put Dan Quisenberry, er, Colt Brennan on the practice squad. Nobody's going to pick him up.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | August 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Redcoat. There are couple of guys that people seem to think are HOF/great players, but I haven't seen it when I'm watching them. I've seen Seau dominate a game. Never saw Thomas do that.

Based on what I've seen, I'd say London Fletcher is a better LB than Zach Thomas was. I've seen Thomas a handful of times and most of my knowledge of Fletcher came last year, and he was outstanding -- perhaps not a good basis to compare.

Anyway, I do agree with you that Thomas probably shouldn't be playing. Concussions are one of those things where once you've gotten to 3, its time to leave the game with the marbles you still have.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

AL Zek,

Betts has a bit of a fumbling issue. That KC wasn't the only game. I recall a Rams game where he broke out for a huge run got caught from behind and had the ball stripped. I also think he had a run up the middle against the giants, I believe, where he got hit and fumbled. He fumbles more per touch than you'd like to see. I hope they've corrected that.

Posted by: MK-ULTRA | August 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook and Tyron both have A LOT to learn. The need to both be on the P squad if not cut. They have both looked terrible against 3rd and 4th string guys.

Posted by: Bill | August 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I don't think that Reinhart is in any danger of being cut. If the choice was between Reinhart and Fabini, it's a no brainer - rookie or not, Reinhart wins hands down. But the team needs both of them: Reinhart backs up Kendall and Fabini backs up Thomas according to the official depth chart. It's the other young guys, who are less talented than Reinhart, that could be sent to practice squad in favor of Fabini. Fabini is a known commodity, he will never be a star but he is a capable back up. He was a starter, by necessity, for most of the last year including during the winning streak that led to playoffs. Plus he looked pretty good this preseason and won't cost much. I suspect that the coaches will want to keep him. Next year, he will most likely be on the bubble, particularly if they draft a couple of guys for OL.

Posted by: M | August 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, that's my take on the situation. What did I miss? Where did I screw up?

Next practice is at 3, so I'll check in with any updates from there.


By Jason La Canfora | August 12, 2008; 1:37 PM ET

Jasno, no screw ups, but you missed the wide receivers. With the exception of Moss, ARE, Thrash, Thomas and Kelly, the rest of them might be on the bubble.

Posted by: M | August 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, Junior Seau has more career tackles than Zach Thomas, but Zach Thomas has more tackles than any linebacker in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: M | August 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Its worth carrying 6 WR if we're really going to be using 4 WR sets given the health of these guys.

AND one of the WR regardless of the number almost has to be McMullen or Mix since theres no way Kelly or Thomas is going to be ready when the season starts. Also besides Kelly, M & M are the only receivers with height.

I'm sorry but we don't need 4 RB - Its Rock or Mason as much as I hate to say it.

The only way around this is to stick one of the 2nd round pick receivers (or TE) on the PUP list and I don't see that as likely.

Posted by: Mike C. | August 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

i am told the plan is for 9 offensive lineman and the intention is to only have one true veteran. The team has a hunch that two or three vets will retire at year end. That means Wade is gone. The team, more importanly Bugel, values versatility at this point more than anything. Anybody who knows football, knows not every tackle can slide over to guard and its even more rare that a center can play guard. The reserves will be Fabini, Heyer, Rhinehart and Crummey.

You need one vet who is versatile and at least 2 out of 3 youngsters who can play other positions. Crummey practiced early at center and they moved him back to his college position at guard because Bugel felt there was no reserve lineman who could pull as effectively as he can.

Geisinger seems to be a good kid and showing promise, he is just way too slow on his feet to play anything but center. He makes the right calls, but you can teach a more athletic guy to play that position. There is a reason a 4th yr guy has never made a roster. Remember, Crummey was a 2nd Team All-American...despite missing 5 games with a broken leg.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | August 12, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Opening day roster prediction:

QB: Campbell, Collins, **Brennan**(3)

RB: Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason (4)

FB: Sellers (1)

TE: Cooley, Davis, Yoder (3)

WR: Moss, Randle-El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen (6)

OL: Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Rinehart, Fabini, Heyer, **Crummney**(9)

DL: Taylor, Griffin, Montgomery, Carter, Evans, Golston, Alexander, James, Wilson (9)
LB: Washington, Fletcher, McIntosh, Sinclair, Blades, Campbell, (6)

DB: Springs, Landry, Doughty, Smoot, Rogers, Moore, Horton, Torrence,Tryon (9)

LS: Albright (1)
P: Brooks (1)
K: Suisham (1)

Practice Squad: Richardson,Gessinger, Jackson, Mix,Fincher,T.Washington,Gatewood,
Devin Clark (8 man)


Cuts: **Wade**Fox**Broughton


Posted by: ChickenMonkey | August 13, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

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