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Bubble Guys

Going off the top of my head here, and I am sure you guys will make me look like an idiot in a matter of minutes (no big accomplishment, there), but which guys on the roster last year face the toughest task sticking around? Of course, it is horribly early in the game to be predicting anything like this, but, hell, this is a blog and it's the middle of June with nothing else going on, so why not, right?

With the overload at CB, could this be Ade Jimoh's last stand? I say he still makes it as the 5th guy over Butler, based on his special teams play. They really love him there.

Reed Doughty, for all he's been through, will be a real fight to stick around. Vernon Fox will be tested, too. If other younger guys show they can bring it on special teams, then Vernon might be in trouble.

Joe Salave'a needs to stay healthy and get back into form. But that's hardly certain and could see him on the outside looking in. Given the lack of upgrades at D Line, I think Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels make it, but they too need to be in full health.

I still think Todd Collins is a few weeks from getting his chance to find a place where he might actually play, at least as a backup. If such a place exists. I keep hearing the Skins won't keep Brunell and Collins, and Coach Joe seems pretty satisfied with Mark's recovery from the shoulder surgery.

A lot of people are thinking Rock Cartwright might be on the hotseat with Derrick Blaylock here now, but I don't see it. They carried four tailbacks last season when there were some health concerns with Clinton, and I figure they do it again. The love Rock's work on teams and to me Blaylock fills that depth RB spot that Duckett filled last year (sorry for bringing that name up round here).

Mike Espy might give a real push to show he belongs (looked good this offseason). I think they still keep Thrash for his size and teams ability and to be that possession guy in the slot or over the middle when need be, and can't see him getting cut, but you never know for sure.

Okay, who I am forgetting (and remember we're talking about guys who actually got on the field last year, not just practice squad guys)?

By Jason La Canfora  |  June 20, 2007; 12:00 PM ET
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git me the damn ball, i tell ya. look at the game films from '05!!!

Posted by: Sellers in the Red Zone | June 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, it's lunch time and everyone is gone.

Posted by: Hellloooo... | June 20, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

You know who I think should be on the bubble, and I prepared for the blowback, but Thrash. He is old, slow and would much rather see a young guy there. I reallly feel like he is a bit of a waste....

Should be bubbleworthy but isnt: B Lloyd

Other bubbles: One of the new corners, Lemar Marshall, D Evans, the back up center Raibach

Posted by: chris larry | June 20, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Just based on potential, I think that the 'Skins keep Butler over Jimoh. Jimoh has been with the team for four years and hasn't really demonstrated anything special.

I realize that there are some injury concerns with Butler, but, if it looks like he's healthly, I think that the 'Skins keep him because he has shown flashes of brilliance.

Posted by: Jamos | June 20, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

too soon to cut Braindead Lloyd, from a pure talent standpoint, but wouldn't it be great to see Espy beat him out for the spot?
that would drive the coked up hamsters into a frenzy about wasted draft choices, but it would certainly send a message to the players.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | June 20, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The bubble guys will live or die based on their special teams play.

It's been a while, but I still remember with the Redskins were know for outstanding special teams play (I think it was George Allen's tenure, correct me if I'm wrong).

Special teams aren't lost on Joe G either.
Sellers and Cartwright are both safe, because of special teams play. Some other one dimensional players will be cut first. Versatility is really important.

Collins goes, I think because Gibbs is all about experience at QB. I'm not sure how the salary cap might factor into the decision though (read the golf outing rumor in one of the previous threads). Based on the hype, Soup, Collins, Bramlet might be workable too.

How many slots are there in the practice squad?

Posted by: Stumped | June 20, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The Special Teams corollary: Special teams alone, keeps you on the bubble.

Thrash is a "Realist" Redskin, but hey CL, at some point Thrash becomes trash.

We may be in for some surprises this year. Gibbs has 2007 and 2008 to work with. He's probably hoping to get back to Post season play this year and go for the Show in 2008.

The only place for Deadwood is on cable.

Posted by: Stumped | June 20, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are going to carry five receivers so Thrash and Espy are both going to make the team.

Posted by: Matt D. | June 20, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Boschetti (who they didn't even want to give a minimum RFA tender to), Khary Campbell (with all the new linebackers who came in, some of whom might actually be able to play linebacker in addition to special teams), Collins\Brunell (one of those two is likely gone -- probably Collins, but if Brunell has a rehab setback...), Doughty (for much the reasons you said), Jimoh (he's our 6th corner, to me -- if we keep six, he's in. Otherwise...), Sykes (I expect him to make it, but he hardly has a secure place at the moment), T. Whitley (did he ever even get dressed for us last season?) all would be on my list. I have no clue why you included Fox, however, who was our best starter at the position last season and who is still young. Yeah, he'll probably be a back-up and special teamer, but then he is a special teams specialist who has proven he can fill in for injury as a starter.

Posted by: Yoderfan | June 20, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Seventeen names mentioned so far.

How about rookies and journeyman; who makes the team, who gets cut?

Is it possible at this late date for the Redskins to pick up defensive linemen who might get cut by other teams?

Posted by: Stumped | June 20, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I really don't have a know who is on the hot seat but I really hope we keep all our new cornersn jimoh would have been a H*ll no to me a few years ago because he can't cover to save his life but he is a great special teamer. I also would like us to give a strong look at brain westbrooks little brother he might be ok. To be truthful I don't think we have many open spot this years mybe one at reciver that all I can think of.

Posted by: j wood | June 20, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I think landry and blades make it not sure about palmer but he might make the partice squad. The other rookie lineback might not make the team this year maybe another partice squad guy.

Posted by: j wood | June 20, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Can the skins ban jimoh from playing corner, ever, and just keep him for sp teams?

Posted by: ngu | June 20, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

J Wood...

I think you are tripping... Of Course Landry is going to make it, he was the number 6 pick overall and will be our Starting Strong Safety... Looks like you have some cathing up to do ;-)

Oh yah. Anyone who mentioned Sellers is a crackhead... Sellers isn't going anyhwere.

Would be nice to see Espy make a push for #2 or #3 Reciever... The more competition the better the end product should be...

Not sure about this McCardell news... He used to have it - no doubt, but I'm a bit skeptical as to whether he does or not... Will he be better than Thrash? That is the question.

Posted by: E in VB | June 20, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

E in VB,
From what I've seen posted up here, most people think Landry won't start (at least right away). But he obviously will see a lot of playing time.

The McCardell vs Thrash question is a good one. Frankly, I'd like to see the spot go to a developing younger player that shows some promise (Espy?). There are 7 WR with less than 3 years experience.

Posted by: Stumped | June 20, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I respect him for his work ethic, but Jimoh gives me nightmares when he is on the field. You can never have enough talent at corner and Bulter has certainly shown he is a better corner than Jimoh. Cutting Butler would be a mistake in my opinion.

Posted by: BT | June 20, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it the McCardell thing doesn't say much for the young crop of WRs.

Or, could it be the FO just really needs to write a BIG check on a player that is beyond their most productive years?

.....Naaw, that would never happen.

Posted by: Stumped | June 20, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Stumped -I'm with you. I have been an Espy fan since he was in college. WR is a position where you can find diamonds in the rough. I think the Skins need to try and find those diamonds. Esp. since I hope the Skins cut Lloyd if he gives us the same BS play as last year.

Posted by: BT | June 20, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Rock will make the team. There are only 5 HB's on the roster right now and they will probably keep 4.

Does anybody know how Marcus Mason UDFA is performing? could he beat out Blaylock?

Posted by: Luke | June 20, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Rock will make the team. There are only 5 HB's on the roster right now and they will probably keep 4.

Does anybody know how Marcus Mason UDFA is performing? could he beat out Blaylock?

Posted by: Luke | June 20, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was impossible to cut Lloyd this year because of the cap hit. Cut him and you'd have to cut, say Springs, at the same time. Lloyd's on the roster, for sure.

Posted by: KK | June 20, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

reed- made "jacked up" last year and gibbs would never cut a guy going thru what reed is. based on that he's in.

fox- started for us last year so his job is secure

jimoh- garbage, finally gone

rock, espy, thrash- in

collins - gone

Posted by: Potter | June 20, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Cut Lloyd and move on.

Posted by: Raljon | June 20, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I thought Saliva was gone already. He should have been cut mid-last season. I hate to say it but I think if we get McCardell, Thrash is gone. Thrash's big thing he had going for him was that he was a return man. Now we have the following other guys who can do that and are equally good at it: ARE, Rock, Betts, Moss all can return, ARE and Moss have more speed, Rock and Betts do more hurting.

Posted by: 35332 | June 20, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree if we do get Mcardell thrash should clean his locker. Also Tood collins will get his pink slip in a few weeks considering how well brunell's shoulder is holding up(for right now )!

Posted by: dave | June 20, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Tight end" Chris Cooley
May not be on hot seat butt
Cover up those hot pants!

*as usual, the puns are free!**

Posted by: HaikuMan | June 20, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Jimoh should keep his roster spot. Not only is he a great special teams player, he is also a great character guy, a workout warrior and does whatever he is asked to do. The problem with Jimoh has always been poor coverage skills for a cornerback. I think it would be great to move him to free safety. His coverage skills are good enough to play center field, and it would also put to use his great talent of hitting like a truck.

Posted by: midniterc | June 21, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't count out Rock's return capabilites. I know he's not a true speed guy, but he was effective and had the one long TD run.. more than ARE has had.

I don't like the McCardell rumors. If we p/u an over the hill guy to help in slot and red zone.. they need to be like 6'3, at least ... no point in bringing in another "smallish" reciever.. we have plenty.

Saliva did terrible last year and can't stay healthy... BUT, we can't cut him unless we have another D Tackle to step up. Saliva would help if only to spell starting DT's a series or two a game. With our aging D Line.. being able to rotate people in and stay fresh will be imperative. Lets hope Montgomery (most NFL teams wanted to make him an O Lineman??? ) can step up big this year.. a lot to ask from a late round pick, but it seems were counting on those 5-6th round draft picks to help us out a lot lately, great trades front office.

Posted by: cwprice | June 21, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I think that a lot depends again on injuries. Ade Jimoh has proven that he is not able to step up as the nickel back. Letting Walt Harris go was a mistake as they were thinking Jimoh could step up. They have plenty of new young guys who can stop up on special teams.

I think Doughty and Fox make the team over guys like Stoutmire. Its all about injuries and how far those two have progressed. I'm guessing they make it going away.

Cartwright will make it. No doubt. Portis is coming off injuries. I think he loses his starting job and gets traded. (His choice.) Rock has proven he can be the third guy in there behind Betts. Rock is a great special teams performer. Gibbs would never part with Rock. He's not like Marty, Spurrier or Danny boy for that matter.

On the receiver front. We note they are still looking for someone to anchor things there. Lloyd gets another chance thanks to Danny's stupidity and the contract he gave him. Randle El is still adjusting ... I think this year he breaks out. If Espy can prove he can be the other speed guy ....
otherwise he is gone.

Age: Wynn may not be on the bubble. But Daniels may be even though his contract makes his harder on the team. Wynn is cheaper. Khary Campbell, Salv'e are gone.

Brunell doesn't make the team if the young guys show they are worth grooming. Collins is gone. Gibbs DRAFTED a QB this year. And signed another later. That can't be a vote of confidence for Collins and in spite of what he may say, Brunell as well. If his arm is gone what good is it to even risk putting him in? Bramlet may have assigned Brunell to the coaching ranks by having a standout year in Europe. Expect Jason Campbell, Bramlet, Palmer to be the 3. Risky without a veteran. But Gibbs has done this before. Hollenbach might make the practice squad. They might just put Brunell on IR. Run him through the waiver wire to reactivate him if they need him. pseudo Coaching ranks. Again Campbell, Bramlet, Palmer.

Posted by: periculum | June 21, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The only who is sure to be gone is Collins. Rock stays for sure.

Is Jimoh that much better than another special teams guy? Because he has to be, since he's useless on D. They have 5 corners with starting experience plus Westbrook.

I think Doughty, Fox and Salave'a all make it. But I'm an optimist. Stoudemire gets cut.

I think there is a real chance that Blaylock gets cut in camp.

Thrash is beloved by the staff, but Espy could make it as the #5.

Posted by: Newbie | June 21, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

jurgensen has said it before during games, and i must agree: all thrash does is catch the ball. didn't we go thru a spell last year when all our WRs had a bad case of the dick-fingers? or was that the year before? bottom line: he's a true 'skin. i'd be sorry to see him go

Posted by: finko | June 23, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

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