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Bugel: Shanahan's 'going to build the offensive line'

Whether or not you want to believe that Mike Shanahan expected or hoped Joe Bugel would stick around and coach his offensive line next season, we can probably at least agree that Bugel and Shanahan both respect and value offensive line play more than most in the league.

Bugel, who retired Wednesday, will still be watching the Redskins from afar, so I asked him what he expected to see out of the Washington line next season. "A great zone blocking team," Bugel responded.

"One thing about Shanny, he believes in the running game," Bugel said. "He don't mind calling 40-45 runs on a Sunday afternoon. He's going to build the offensive line. Then you can draft a back in the sixth or seventh round. If you have a solid big-time offensive line, Joe Doakes can play behind it."

Bugel thinks Shanahan will figure out a way to build off the existing personnel and said several players benefited from the adversity faced by this season's line.


"I think that's what they'll do," he said. "It's going to be a physical football team. I think the advantage this year was the young kids had to play. There's a lot of guys who probably wouldn't have played [who] played. So I think they got a little bit better, and they realized what it takes to play in the National Football League. I think they'll be better players after going through this past year."

While no one's going to argue that Levi Jones and Mike Williams are young players, others, such as Edwin Williams, Chad Rinehart, Will Montgomery and William Robinson all saw playing time because of injuries ahead of them on the depth chart. It's tough to imagine that Shanahan will review film of those players and start handing out starting jobs, though.

Bugel said Redskins' scouts have identified six or seven tackles who will be available in the draft, but he's not certain how Shanahan will use that No. 4 pick.

Shanahan's lines usually have smaller linemen who are quick on their feet and especially mobile. While Bugel's unit relied heavily on zone blocking schemes this season, it'll look markedly different when Shanahan finds better players to fill the trenches.

By Rick Maese  |  January 14, 2010; 9:45 AM ET
 
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Agree to disagree, LS. Seems to me if he wasn't good for Gibbs or Zorn, he wouldn't roll out of bed a better ST coach than Bobby April just because Shanny keeps him.

And you gotta see the irony in you making the statement "If three teams want to interview Smith, and Shanahan wants to keep him, then the guy's a lot better than you're willing to give him credit for" after you fought me tooth and nail over whether Russ Grimm would be a good HC.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with LS here, brownie. Danny Smith has an excellent reputation around the league. And that is confirmed by 3 teams wanting to interview him. The "if he wasn't good for Gibbs or Zorn," statement is your opinion, not a fact. Apparently he is vary valued as a teams coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Then you can draft a back in the sixth or seventh round. If you have a solid big-time offensive line, Joe Doakes can play behind it."
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Good bye CP!!!

Posted by: hbu_dog | January 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I love the idea of building the O-line and we definitely need to. But at the same time, I don't see how we can pass up Spiller with the Number 4 pick. We can address the O-line with the other picks.

Posted by: johntaylor2 | January 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

" It's tough to imagine that Shanahan will review film of those players and start handing out starting jobs, though.
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By MEase

See, this is why you are NOT a HEad Coach. It is about looking at the positives and negatives of a player in his body of work. Then, you think to yourself, 'Does this guy have any upside?' And if he does, you work with him, get him motivated, and they come out completely different players on the field. You just don't throw then to the wayside.

More evidence that we are NOT picking a Tackle with the 4th pick in the draft.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan's lines usually have smaller linemen who are quick on their feet and especially mobile."


(INSERT image of Skipper the penguin)

"Lean,long, and athletic, boys, lean and athletic."

"Maulers need not apply...."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan's lines usually have smaller linemen who are quick on their feet and especially mobile. "
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And therein lies the Shanny achilles heel when his running game was neutralized by larger lines in the NFC East.
Hopefully, he has a good memory.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with LS here, brownie. Danny Smith has an excellent reputation around the league. And that is confirmed by 3 teams wanting to interview him. The "if he wasn't good for Gibbs or Zorn," statement is your opinion, not a fact. Apparently he is vary valued as a teams coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 9:51 AM

Danny Smith has worn out his time here.....Thanks to ARE, Swiss HAm, and all that Faux Head Coaching he was doing for Zorn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

who is Joe Doakes??

Anyone got a height, weight and 40 time on him??

What does PFT say about this guy, and where are most draft pundits saying he'll be drafted??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

4th - 3 out of our 5 lineman would be backups, if not completely off the roster, on any other team in the league.

Dock is a decent starter and should be OK for another year or two, but who knows if he will fit the scheme.

Rabach is a smaller, agile center, but he only has a year or two left.

LT, RG, RT all need to be replaced, and it sounds like with guys who will be better zone blockers.

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with LS here, brownie. Danny Smith has an excellent reputation around the league. And that is confirmed by 3 teams wanting to interview him. The "if he wasn't good for Gibbs or Zorn," statement is your opinion, not a fact. Apparently he is vary valued as a teams coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 9:51 AM

Danny Smith has worn out his time here.....Thanks to ARE, Swiss HAm, and all that Faux Head Coaching he was doing for Zorn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM
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Yes, but isn't Danny Smith recognized for his coverage on kicks and punts, and not for any punt returner, outstanding kicker/punter, or kick returner? Seems like he is only half a special teams coach, IMAO.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Draft OL!!!! Yeah!

As far as Starke’s idea…..bleah….you let groups in , then where do you draw the line? Let a whole team in? Like someone said, it dilutes the value of individual membership. IMO, the only Hogs who really deserve to be in the HOF are Grimm and Jacoby. Don Warren should get consideration based upon his being one of the greatest (according ot Lawrence Taylor anyway) blocking TE’s in the history of the game, but it’ll never happen. The rest belong in the Redskins “ring of honor” or whatever, but not the true HOF. The sad thing is that Grimm (who should be in already) gets to the finals every year b/c he is still an active coach in the NFL, but Jacoby is all but forgotten. Bad luck this year too, as Rice and Emmit are locks for the first two spots, and Tim Brown is prolly a lock for one as well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 14, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

who is Joe Doakes??

Anyone got a height, weight and 40 time on him??

What does PFT say about this guy, and where are most draft pundits saying he'll be drafted??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM
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I had to look this up because I had never heard it before. Apparently Joe Doakes is the same as Joe Blow, or just an average guy. Who knew?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I've been playing Tecmo Super Bowl as the Skins and Don Warren is a straight up beast. His 10 yard slant pass play is unguardable, even when the defense picks the play.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"It's tough to imagine that Shanahan will review film of those players and start handing out starting jobs, though."


I think he will find players in E Williams and might decide to keep Jones.

Rabach, M Williams, Heyer: welcome to the unemployment line, take a number, please.

Dockery is someone who might stay around.

After that, it's not too hard to disagree with your assessment, mistamaese.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith has worn out his time here.....Thanks to ARE, Swiss HAm, and all that Faux Head Coaching he was doing for Zorn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse
Danny had a lot on his plate, trying to keep JZ from calling TO's at the wrong time, helping make decisions on clock management, etc.

I do agree that using ARE on punts was stupid. Just don't understand that. I don't think DS was the problem with Swissham. After all, he made 18 of 21, just missed the important ones. And he did go out and find a keeper in Gano.

The decision I really wonder about was that fiasco shift for a field goal. After the time out, he should have gone back to a kick.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What picks do we have this year? Or how many, in what rounds?

I hope we go after all O-line and a RB, and pick up the other pieces in FA... then wait till next year to look for the other pieces... REBUILD.

Posted by: noseman4681 | January 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

do we have to waste a late round pick on Joe Doakes or can we get him as an undrafted free agent?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Bryant could follow Mann out of Tampa Bay
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 14, 2010 10:07 AM ET
Mike Shanahan's new staff in Washington won't be entirely made up of his former Denver buddies.

Jim Haslett, the defensive coordinator, has never worked with Shanahan. And Bucs receivers coach Richard Mann, who will interview for a job Thursday according to the St. Petersburg Times, has a history with G.M. Bruce Allen, not the head coach.

The Bucs granted the interview earlier this week.

The news won't make Antonio Bryant very happy. Bryant said that Mann's presence would be his biggest motivator to possibly return to Tampa Bay.

After getting franchised last year, Bryant will be very expensive to keep and could be one of the few intriguing names to actually make it to unrestricted free agency.

And wouldn't you know: The Redskins could certainly use some receiving talent.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Joe Doakes is the same as Joe Blow, or just an average guy. Who knew?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:10 AM

You're thinking of the other guy, Joe Dokes. Joe Doakes is a beast of a rugby player in New Zealand. Put him in pads, coach him up. Bugel coulda done it. Now let's see what Shanahan can do.

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
I agree with that, Ryp. Having the QB backside protected is crucial. So even if you want a quicker OL, get Okung.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And therein lies the Shanny achilles heel when his running game was neutralized by larger lines in the NFC East.
Hopefully, he has a good memory.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM |

Last time I checked Shanny holds a good record against the NFC east, and who in the east has huge D-Linmen anymore?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Bryant could follow Mann out of Tampa Bay
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 14, 2010 10:07 AM ET
Mike Shanahan's new staff in Washington won't be entirely made up of his former Denver buddies.

Jim Haslett, the defensive coordinator, has never worked with Shanahan. And Bucs receivers coach Richard Mann, who will interview for a job Thursday according to the St. Petersburg Times, has a history with G.M. Bruce Allen, not the head coach.

The Bucs granted the interview earlier this week.

The news won't make Antonio Bryant very happy. Bryant said that Mann's presence would be his biggest motivator to possibly return to Tampa Bay.

After getting franchised last year, Bryant will be very expensive to keep and could be one of the few intriguing names to actually make it to unrestricted free agency.

And wouldn't you know: The Redskins could certainly use some receiving talent.
Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I like it, somewhat, I like it.

Posted by: noseman4681 | January 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The decision I really wonder about was that fiasco shift for a field goal. After the time out, he should have gone back to a kick.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


That was all Zorn. He ran onto the field to tell Danny Smith to run it again.

Re Starke: Puhlease. He was the original Hogs weakest link and could always be counted on to jump the snap or get flagged for a critical drive killing holding penalty. Of COURSE he wants a group induction...its the only way he could get near Canton without buying a ticket.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 14, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

LT, RG, RT all need to be replaced, and it sounds like with guys who will be better zone blockers.

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM

Edwin Williams (The Black RG) and Levi Jones can be starters. They fit the smaller mobile build. So, that leaves us with trying to fill one starting position if we resign Rabachs.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

And you gotta see the irony in you making the statement "If three teams want to interview Smith, and Shanahan wants to keep him, then the guy's a lot better than you're willing to give him credit for" after you fought me tooth and nail over whether Russ Grimm would be a good HC.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 8:09 AM

brownie,

You're backwards here. I side with the experts: they like Smith, I like Smith; no one who interviewed Grimm wanted to hire him, I questioned whether he'd be a good head coach.

You, on the other hand are a contrarian: If four teams want Smith, you think he's a bum. If no one hires Russ Grimm as HC, then you believe he's the next coaching HOFer.

That's your MO: "everyone's out of step but me."

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on ABryant....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"And therein lies the Shanny achilles heel when his running game was neutralized by larger lines in the NFC East."


Trudat.

And if you are looking forward, elite athletic linemen are the best way to implement Shanny's running system.

The likes of Tuck and Ware must be fought back against with top linemen, not undrafted and 7th round guys who can be 'trained up'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, Kurt Warner considering retirement, Boldin looking more and more like trade bait.

Hmmmm, how about JC for Boldin straight up.

Would you take that trade?

Posted by: fzone | January 14, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
I agree with that, Ryp. Having the QB backside protected is crucial. So even if you want a quicker OL, get Okung.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:18 AM


SO...I geuss you guys will conviently GLANCE over the fact that Bugel has said the Redskins Scouts have identified 6/7 Tackles so far in the draft??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with LS here, brownie. Danny Smith has an excellent reputation around the league. And that is confirmed by 3 teams wanting to interview him. The "if he wasn't good for Gibbs or Zorn," statement is your opinion, not a fact. Apparently he is vary valued as a teams coach.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 9:51 AM


I love how we're getting comments like this for Danny Smith, but many up here want to run Jerry Gray out of town. And Gray has actual statistical backing that he's a good DC, not just "3 teams want to inverview him". Simply stunning.

Whether Danny is good or not, this team needs a housecleaning. FO, coaching staff, roster. And when there's a clear upgrade available (Bobby April), it should be an easy call to let Danny Smith move on.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

SO...I geuss you guys will conviently GLANCE over the fact that Bugel has said the Redskins Scouts have identified 6/7 Tackles so far in the draft??????

Posted by: 4thFloor

Edwin Williams (The Black RG) and Levi Jones can be starters. They fit the smaller mobile build. So, that leaves us with trying to fill one starting position if we resign Rabachs.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

I don't understand your point. I think we SHOULD get a tackle in the draft. Thats why I said Okung.

And if you want to have Edwin Williams and Levi Jones be starters next year, you're going to be looking at another 4-12 team.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"The news won't make Antonio Bryant very happy. Bryant said that Mann's presence would be his biggest motivator to possibly return to Tampa Bay.."


Bryant can play.

I'd add him to the mix of Thomas, Moss, Kelly, and Mitchell.

In fact, he'd probably force himself on the field, given that only Moss is a proven receiving threat.

Is he worth the money?

I'd say yes if he comes with Mann.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The likes of Tuck and Ware must be fought back against with top linemen, not undrafted and 7th round guys who can be 'trained up'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:24 AM


You get Football players who want to excel on the field...IRREGARDLESS of draft position....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, how about JC for Boldin straight up.

Would you take that trade?

Posted by: fzone

I would, but Arizona wouldn't.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And Gray has actual statistical backing that he's a good DC, not just "3 teams want to inverview him". Simply stunning.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 10:27 AM

Here's my opinion: If Mike Shanahan wants Smith, I think we should keep him. Shanahan knows what's gone on with the special teams, he knows why, and he knows who in this league can produce and who can't.

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Back to Blache:

Anyone else notice he went silent about the same time 980 was reporting Shanny was a done deal once the season ended? (i.e., the bye week)?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

you maybe right.. I thought the larger NFC East DLines out-muscled his smaller OLines in the playoffs.
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And therein lies the Shanny achilles heel when his running game was neutralized by larger lines in the NFC East.
Hopefully, he has a good memory.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 14, 2010 10:04 AM |

Last time I checked Shanny holds a good record against the NFC east, and who in the east has huge D-Linmen anymore?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2010 10:19 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I do agree that using ARE on punts was stupid. Just don't understand that. I don't think DS was the problem with Swissham. After all, he made 18 of 21, just missed the important ones. And he did go out and find a keeper in Gano.

The decision I really wonder about was that fiasco shift for a field goal. After the time out, he should have gone back to a kick.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:14 AM |

these were Zorn's choices and he said as much.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

lmao @ Fzone!!!

plus, I believe it's spelled 'Fonz'.

...dyslexics UNTIE! eyyyyyyyyyyyhhhhhh!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

You're thinking of the other guy, Joe Dokes. Joe Doakes is a beast of a rugby player in New Zealand. Put him in pads, coach him up. Bugel coulda done it. Now let's see what Shanahan can do.

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:18 AM
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I don't think you'll ever find an offensive lineman in rugby. They call blocking "obstruction" and it is not allowed. Now, I have often watched some of the barn burners that play rugby in Australia and I think there's a decent running back / punt returner in the mix.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Bryant can play.

I'd add him to the mix of Thomas, Moss, Kelly, and Mitchell.

In fact, he'd probably force himself on the field, given that only Moss is a proven receiving threat.

Is he worth the money?

I'd say yes if he comes with Mann.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:28 AM

I agree with this. Seems that Bryant has been a good teammate of the last couple of years. That relationship he has with Mann seems to have matured him.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

There should be no nickname for the 2009 Redskins o-line.

The 2009 Redskins should never be spoken of again.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 14, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

How about we refer to them as the no-line? It seems like a fair compromise.


BTW, to the person saying we can't pass on Spiller I say why not? Running backs are a dime a dozen and there's a ton of different routes you can go. You can do a 2 back system with later round specialist backs(Jacobs/Bradshaw, Choice/Barber). You can do a 2 back system with 2 every down backs(Stewart/Hall). You can do the speedy pass catcher back(Spiller, Westbrook, Bush). The Jets lead the league in rushing without a super awesome game breaking running back. The Titans placed second with their super awesome game breaking stud running back. The Vikings were all the way down at #13 even though they have the best running back in the NFL.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Bryant can play.

I'd add him to the mix of Thomas, Moss, Kelly, and Mitchell.

In fact, he'd probably force himself on the field, given that only Moss is a proven receiving threat.

Is he worth the money?

I'd say yes if he comes with Mann.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:28 AM

I agree with this. Seems that Bryant has been a good teammate of the last couple of years. That relationship he has with Mann seems to have matured him.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

More WR's on the team? Really? We need more?

Posted by: mattylight | January 14, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

SO...I geuss you guys will conviently GLANCE over the fact that Bugel has said the Redskins Scouts have identified 6/7 Tackles so far in the draft??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse
Not at all. The expectation is that 5-6 OT's will be drafted in 1st round. We have fifth pick in 2nd round, so we should be able to get perhaps the first and sixth or seventh OT, if we choose to use both picks on OL. And if Okung goes higher than 4th but Suh falls, we take Suh and use 2nd rd pick on OT.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Tuck and Ware...

hmmm... is that like Prêt-à-Porter?


huhuh football/fashion humor.... not that there's anything wrong with that...

..maps..just sayin'... suchas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
I agree with that, Ryp. Having the QB backside protected is crucial. So even if you want a quicker OL, get Okung.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:18 AM


SO...I geuss you guys will conviently GLANCE over the fact that Bugel has said the Redskins Scouts have identified 6/7 Tackles so far in the draft??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:25 AM
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What would be interesting is to find out how many tackles Buges identified before LAST year's draft...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

who has these larger NFC east lines?? which team are we talking about??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The decision I really wonder about was that fiasco shift for a field goal. After the time out, he should have gone back to a kick.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


That was all Zorn. He ran onto the field to tell Danny Smith to run it again.

Thanks, Kaneohe. That basically confirms my thoughts about JZ, and I feel even better about Smith.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand your point. I think we SHOULD get a tackle in the draft. Thats why I said Okung.

And if you want to have Edwin Williams and Levi Jones be starters next year, you're going to be looking at another 4-12 team.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:28 AM |

You left out one post by me that would make it complete.

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" It's tough to imagine that Shanahan will review film of those players and start handing out starting jobs, though.
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By MEase

See, this is why you are NOT a HEad Coach. It is about looking at the positives and negatives of a player in his body of work. Then, you think to yourself, 'Does this guy have any upside?' And if he does, you work with him, get him motivated, and they come out completely different players on the field. You just don't throw then to the wayside.

More evidence that we are NOT picking a Tackle with the 4th pick in the draft.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:02 AM
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It's all about the offseason. Like Buges said above, these guys have experince and understand what it takes to play in the NFL now since they were thrown in there.

All I was saying was...these guys are all options...Let's not narrow our options at this point in time.

And I believe that we don't need to draft Okung with #4...I'd rather get a difference maker. The scouting staff has already identified 6/7 Tackles in the draft. We don't even know if Okung's name is on that list.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I love how we're getting comments like this for Danny Smith, but many up here want to run Jerry Gray out of town. And Gray has actual statistical backing that he's a good DC, not just "3 teams want to inverview him". Simply stunning.

Whether Danny is good or not, this team needs a housecleaning. FO, coaching staff, roster. And when there's a clear upgrade available (Bobby April), it should be an easy call to let Danny Smith move on.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse
I would love to see JGray stay with us. I think he adds a lot of value to the staff. But I was happy to see Haslett get DC position. Both are quality people.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

mattylight

"More WR's on the team? Really? We need more?"


ARE will probably be a goner.

So adding Bryant just replaces him.

How is that wide receiver overkill?

Plus, in a passing league, you really what to be 3-4 deep at the position.

The cards put Fitzgerald, Boldin, Breaston on the field every Sunday.

The iggles have the young'ns Maclin, Jackson, and Avant.

We know that the chargers and colts have some gems in Jackson, Osgood, Nnanne, Wayne, and Garcon.

The cowboys even have proven receivers in Austin, Williams, and Crayton.

We need proven receivers and linemen.

For now, we lack in both spots.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

4th - I wouldn't cry about it if we got a Spiller, but I'd rather trade down for him - say to the 13th or 17th pick, grab Spiller/Best, then we have 2 2nd rounders or a 2nd and 3rd to grab 2 lineman.

If we're staying at 4, I think it has to be Okung or Suh.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If you have a solid big-time offensive line, Joe Doakes can play behind it.
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LOL. Priceless

Posted by: thor2 | January 14, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You, on the other hand are a contrarian: If four teams want Smith, you think he's a bum. If no one hires Russ Grimm as HC, then you believe he's the next coaching HOFer.

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:22 AM


Contrarian? Because I see certain things and make my own conclusions instead of just buying wholesale whatever an analyst says?

Riiiight.

I see Russ Grimm turning O-lines into solid units everywhere he's gone. I've seen him be the assistant HC on two Super Bowl teams.

Danny Smith has been a mediocre ST coach on a perennial loser that rarely yields a ST touchdown or change the game with field position.

Is there an analyst that paints a different picture for you?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, how about JC for Boldin straight up.

Would you take that trade?

Posted by: fzone

I would, but Arizona wouldn't.

Posted by: Rypien11

OK, so we'll throw in ARE ;)

Posted by: fzone | January 14, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

We're not going to trade JC for Boldin. And we're not going to draft Spiller at #4.

That first-rounder is either going to be (most likely) Okung or Clausen I think. It will NOT be for a defensive player. Course, we could also trade down, perhaps with SF.

Count me with frediefritz -- I think (or at least would prefer that) D Smith's days are done here. While he may be respected elsewhere, I think our Special Teams have been mediocre at best since he arrived. Granted, Snyder rarely gave him the personnel, but I find it hard to believe we can't find someone who can do better. And I'd like to remove another trace of the old regime anyway. If other teams like him so much, other teams can have him.

Posted by: RIP-21 | January 14, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

ACtually, I though DLines were getting Lighter and/or Taller and Faster?

Ware is like 265. Tuck is like 250. Osi - 245. SackPo - 245.

(all numbers I pulled out my @ss, but am sure I am close).

With the 3-4 D, WCO, and lighter DLines coming to the Beast, I would say we are watching the tail end of an NFC East evolution that has been 10 years in the making.

Thoughts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

who has these larger NFC east lines?? which team are we talking about??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Lawrence Taylor had the biggest lines evah!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 14, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Guys, I find it interesting that Samuels has not officially retired. He's only 32. I could be wrong but I take that to mean he wants to return. I know that narrowing of the spinal column is nothing to be taken lightly, but I also know this guy loves playing football. To flip the adage- if there's a way...there is a will

That said, DRAFT OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

rak is 260 at least.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

More WR's on the team? Really? We need more?

Posted by: mattylight | January 14, 2010 10:39 AM

5 Wrs right now. ARE offers little and is most likely a 4 or 5 WR on most teams. If ARE is released this off-season, as he should be, you have 4 WR on staff with experience. Three of those WRs haven't established themselves in the league to date. Do you suggest going into the season with only 4 WRs under that situation? The OL isn't going to be the only position addressed this off-season. While WR is not high on a needs list, if a starter becomes available to you, and the price is right why not?

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

who has these larger NFC east lines?? which team are we talking about??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Lawrence Taylor had the biggest lines evah!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 14, 2010 10:51 AM
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Unfortunately, he snorted them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think I am a Spiller fan now. All that I have read. I wouldn't be pissed if we got this guy.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I've done lines off of LT's boner

Posted by: noseman4681 | January 14, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that the combine and individual team workouts have not happened, in fact arent even really close yet. A lot will change in draft order for the offensive line. A guy like A Davis LT out of RU who is know as an amazing athlete will have his stock rise greaty once they time him and bench him compared to other LTs. Any projections for Oline are still pretty early, dont be suprised if in many pundits opinions Okung is not the clear #1 LT come draft day.

Also in no way is Spiller a must have at #4. The guy is a talent but more so for me in his versatility the in his RB prowess. He scores TDs in a variety of ways but hes not an overwhelming RB like AP or someone that warrants that high of a draft choice. Plus he was rockin out against a mediocre ACC recently.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I still think you need a mauler and big protector at LT (Okung). The guards do more pulling anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
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I never played in a zone blocking scheme in my high school playing days, but from what I can tell, it looks to me like there's not alot of individual pulling, ala the countergap play, in the zone scheme. I think you need a mauler, but not one that doesn't have lateral quickness and agility. We'll need a Chris Samuels in his prime type, not necessarily a big ugly who isn't quick enough to operate in the zone. It looks to me that, for the most part, all five linemen maintain their zones and the RB makes a cut one way or another depending on what's happening. CP suceeded, and hopefully will succeed again (yes I'm being optimistic) b/c he's decisive, has great vision, and at least used to have alot of burst, which is what a RB seems to need in this scheme. Just my thoughts; I'm no expert.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"While no one's going to argue that Levi Jones and Mike Williams are young players..."
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Uh yea, actually I will. Levi Jones and Mike Williams will be 31 and 30 respectively this year. A young man in the real world, but hardly a spring chicken in the NFL.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Is there an analyst that paints a different picture for you?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 10:49 AM

Brownwood: "Danny Smith has been a mediocre ST coach on a perennial loser that rarely yields a ST touchdown or change the game with field position."

Mike Shanahan: "I want Danny Smith for my ST coach." (Assuming rumors are correct).

Let's see here. Brownwood is a TV-watching slappy. Mike Shanahan? Studied coach's films of every Redskins game (and probably most other games), knows what happened behind the scenes, and keeps a book on every coach in the league.

So, yeah, I guess there is an analyst I would trust more than you.

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If we're staying at 4, I think it has to be Okung or Suh.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 14, 2010 10:46 AM

I can respect that....

Suh, I can agree on....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't make much difference what sort of line you have so long as you have a dickweed at QB.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that the combine and individual team workouts have not happened, in fact arent even really close yet. A lot will change in draft order for the offensive line. A guy like A Davis LT out of RU who is know as an amazing athlete will have his stock rise greaty once they time him and bench him compared to other LTs. Any projections for Oline are still pretty early, dont be suprised if in many pundits opinions Okung is not the clear #1 LT come draft day.

Also in no way is Spiller a must have at #4. The guy is a talent but more so for me in his versatility the in his RB prowess. He scores TDs in a variety of ways but hes not an overwhelming RB like AP or someone that warrants that high of a draft choice. Plus he was rockin out against a mediocre ACC recently.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

That's very legitimate, Stu. And I'm certainly going to trust MS's pick at #4. I'm just saying I think we will take the top OT there.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Just my thoughts; I'm no expert.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse
skinsfan, if you're no expert, what are you doing on the blog? Just kidding.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

that's my point redskinhead

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 14, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

LS, I think part of your problem here is that you're assuming an inverview of Smith is the same as offering him the job. When I hear Mike Shanahan offer Danny the job, I'll deal. Just because 3 teams want to interview him doesn't mean all 3 teams (or any of them for that matter) will offer him a job.

And I'm still waiting for you to oppose the thought that Bobby April is a better option. I really wouldn't care whether or not Danny Smith came back if April wasn't available. But if you have an obvious upgrade out there, why not explore that option?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"...who has these larger NFC east lines?"


It's not just the player's size, but their speed, athleticism and how they are used.

The cowboys J Ratliff is de-end size, but plays NT.

So his speed and quickness can be used to force a double team.

Then, because of the double team he knows has been created, D Ware delays, and stunts in behind Ratliff: and he's a big fast man, too.

This puts immediate pressure in a quarterback's face and flushes him out of the pocket or forces a bad throw.

So you have to have interior linemen who can block one dude, then move quick enough to handle the other big guy the defensive stunt is designed to create a play for.

That's a move the jints, iggles, 'boys, and a lot of other teams in league execute.

This past season, M Williams got used a lot on these kinds of stunts: in fact, again, this kind of defensive line play is what the 'boys featured against McNabb and Brees to success.

It's not that the guys are big.

It's that they are big and athletic.

And fast.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Spiller is not nearly as awesome looking as Reggie Bush was when he came out of College, and look how that worked out. Reggie is good, but not worth a #4 overall pick and neither is Spiller. Spiller is a gamble, just like every other player. Less of a dice roll than a QB, more than OL.

Okung is both the least risky and most needed position to draft. Easy decision imo.

Posted by: REXskins | January 14, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

4th, your my boy but I have to do this:

Let me remind everyone one that 4th was anti drafton o-line last season listing it no higher than 3rd on his "fact" needs list. And that for at least the first 10 weeks of the season was saying the o-line was fine.

He is also a big s. heyer fan...

4th is one of the funnest cats up here to scrap with about sports, but I call AGENDA with his hating of improving the oline.

Caveat: I can't scream that they MUST draft oline with 4th pick now. It would be my default preference, but it also has to be viewed in context with other moves made around draft time.

And oh yeah anyone notice jeremy bridges is the starting LT for division round playoff team (Cards) protecting the less than mobile kurt warner? Yeah we couldn't have used him this season...nice cut corny zorny

man am I glad that clown is gone.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan's lines usually have smaller linemen who are quick on their feet and especially mobile. "
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And therein lies the Shanny achilles heel when his running game was neutralized by larger lines in the NFC East.
Hopefully, he has a good memory."

Big linemen are the type of linemen that Shanahan's running game decimates.

You counter a big defensive line with quick offensive linemen by getting them on the run. This is the staple philosophy behind the zone blocking scheme.

You counter small defensive lines with big offensive linemen by overpowering their front. This is how you beat a Tampa-2 defense, which employs smaller quicker defensive linemen (think Tennessee and Jacksonville vs. Indianapolis -- both of whom are power blocking teams against Indi's smaller front-4).

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Zoron the Moron. Good Riddance!

I don't think you can really rank the talent properly in much of our position players, yet.

The last coarching staff had its hed so far up it's "damn near killed'em" who knows WHAT those cats could do. Bridges in Zona is a good example.

I'm sure the new guard has their eyes on some talent already, but I bet you see a lot of holdovers through training camp.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood--

I'm not sure what you base your opinion on, but it's not obvious to everyone that April is an upgrade over Smith. This comment from PFT:

"although April may be an upgrade for many teams' special teams units, i'm not convinced of his "genius" abilities after failing to adjust to the 'no-wedge' rule on kickoffs (not to mention 2 screw ups that cost the bills 2 games vs. pats and vs. browns)"

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Danny Smith has been a mediocre ST coach on a perennial loser that rarely yields a ST touchdown or change the game with field position."

If I'm not mistaken, didn't we score 2 special teams TDs this season?

And didn't Santana Moss score a TD or 2 last season as a PR?

Rock Cartwright was a top 5 league leader in KRs in 2008, wasn't he? (Really, Rock Cartwright).

He even managed to make Suisham look passable for the Skins, going 18 for 21 (good enough that a playoff team scooped him up following his release).

Sure, everyone remembers Randle El back there, but that's hardly the entire story. And given the report of ARE changing Zorn's mind following his demotion, something tells me that player selection was on Zorn, not Smith.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cl - You are correct...Last Year we needed a starting SAM more than anything...and we drafted SackPo....And he got burnt on a few TD passes/1st down completions early in the season.

I said our OLine was good (enough at the time) all the way until circa week 10. If only we had a HC who made thoughtful Head Coaching decisions.

I stopped being a HEyer fan (for a starting position) mid-way through the season.

NOW, I am saying we don't need to draft a OLineman as the 4th pick in the draft.

NO Agenda, save for going to the SB....It wasn't my fault they didn't sign any OLineman or drafted differently in the later rounds. It wasn't my fault they cut Bridges.

ALSO....The draft consists of MORE THAN THE 1ST ROUND. FYI for those who didn't.

I think when peeps look to call me out, they look at it narrowly....but you have to see the broad plan...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Okung is both the least risky and most need position to draft. Easy decision..."


So if he's your left tackle, who plays right?

I'd re-sign L Jones, draft Okung, and let him be a right tackle.

Then, there's the issue of guard.

Should the second rounder be the best right guard on the board in round 2?

Yes, if you add Okung.

That's a right side of the offense with two rookies and a left with two vets.

Maybe Williams v. Rabach decides center.

And maybe since we got competent people running things, we should all chill and see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what you base your opinion on, but it's not obvious to everyone that April is an upgrade over Smith. This comment from PFT:

"although April may be an upgrade for many teams' special teams units, i'm not convinced of his "genius" abilities after failing to adjust to the 'no-wedge' rule on kickoffs (not to mention 2 screw ups that cost the bills 2 games vs. pats and vs. browns)"

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 11:22 AM


Well, by your standards he should be a superstar since he's been mentioned for head coaching jobs in the past. Plus you can't blame him for the idiot KR who inexplicably took that kickoff out of the end zone in the 4th quarter against the Pats. That's an obvious player error, not on the coach.

So again, agree to disagree. I don't hate Danny Smith so much that I'd be furious if he's brought back. I just have a hard time believing he's superior option to April that you don't even bring the dude in for an interview.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And maybe since we got competent people running things, we should all chill and see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2010 11:27 AM

Good advice, but what's left to talk about? What did you think about Avatar?

Posted by: League-Source | January 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

return performance is only one aspect of ST. There's also coverage. How did we do on that? Stats, anyone? My memory seems to indicate that we gave up more than we got...

...then again... K holes....

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I've never heard of Joe Doakes, but I looked him up and I like him! We should take him in the 2nd.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 14, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Sure, everyone remembers Randle El back there, but that's hardly the entire story. And given the report of ARE changing Zorn's mind following his demotion, something tells me that player selection was on Zorn, not Smith.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2010 11:22 AM


Good point. I'm sure that plays into it somewhat, but I still think you owe it to yourself (the team, I mean) to at least bring in April for an interview.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 14, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't seem that any of the 1st, 2nd round OTs from last year were busts. It seemed like they were all starting in the latter half of the season.

That being said there are quite a few 1st round OTs projected this year. C'mon Danny sports cars are great, but don't you want a Hummer, too?

Okung, Campbell, A.Davis, Balauga all seem worthy of a #4.

If they could trade down and get one of these guys plus a Spiller that'd be outstanding

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

DAN SMITH:

Dog couldn't adapt when the wedge was outlawed. He knew it was coming. Had all spring, summer, X-games to adapt.

Had GANO, arguably the best kicker the REDSKINS have had in a decade, popping up kickoffs to the fifteen instead into the endzone on a directional basis. You don't start a kick-off from the fifteen. You drive the opponant deep to the goal line or shallow into the end zone, and start the return there no almost at the twenty.

The guy sucks in my book. A bone-head "my way or the highway stiff." Stuff that shyt, and save it for the military. This is football. Use the talents the player has, not change them. Great coaches don't stick to their system. They adapt their system to the personnel on hand. He's a bum.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 14, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Best case we sign the best OL in the first and the best available OL in the second. RB in the 4th. QB prospect in the 5th (you can switch the 4th and 5th depending on talent available) and whatever in 6 and 7.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Caveat: I can't scream that they MUST draft oline with 4th pick now. It would be my default preference, but it also has to be viewed in context with other moves made around draft time.

By cL

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While OLine is not my default....I agree on everything else and has been my primary stance since I've been posting....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

the key to returns is BLOCKING! there is always 1 or 2 guys that 'electrify' like Cribbs, Jackson but, most guys need blocking.

special teams is usually an issue of depth at LB, DB, RB, TE

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 14, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

t's all about the offseason. Like Buges said above, these guys have experince and understand what it takes to play in the NFL now since they were thrown in there.

All I was saying was...these guys are all options...Let's not narrow our options at this point in time.

And I believe that we don't need to draft Okung with #4...I'd rather get a difference maker. The scouting staff has already identified 6/7 Tackles in the draft. We don't even know if Okung's name is on that list.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse
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Yo! 4th Floor... basic football here, a STUD LT would be the BIGGEST difference maker on THIS offense!

Posted by: bschaef12 | January 14, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

We don't need RB's in the second round. I'm a JOE BUGEL man. Build the 0-line with that second rounder and get a fifth rounder for the new RB. And forget CLAUSEN or BRADFORD. Let the young guys we draft this year learn about the NFL, and get the QB with a high pick next year. Then go for the gusto. This team is not one off-season away from the Super Bowl.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 14, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Caveat: I can't scream that they MUST draft oline with 4th pick now. It would be my default preference, but it also has to be viewed in context with other moves made around draft time.

By cL

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While OLine is not my default....I agree on everything else and has been my primary stance since I've been posting....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I too have always thought they don't have to take a OL with the 4th pick.

They still have four picks and free agency (x2) to get linemen.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If they could trade down and get one of these guys plus a Spiller that'd be outstanding

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I would love that but the reality is that only a few teams have 2 first rounders. Seattle and San Fran do but both their first rounders are to high for a straight up trade unless we get a player they absolutely covet. Suh or Berry could be that player but I doubt it. The draft value chart says we'd have to give up our first and second for both their first. Unless they overpay we are stuck at #4. We could trade our first rounder for a first this year and a first next year though. We could also work out a trade for our first and their first plus 2 second rounders but only a couple teams have more than one second rounder. New England and Kansas City are potential trade partners for that scenario. I'd assume we're staying at #4.

At #4 I'd go in this order:
#1 Russell Okung
#2 Ndamukong Suh
#3 Eric Berry
#4 C.J. Spiller

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Last year the skins needed
O-Line
A Free Saftey
A OLB
A backup RB

We got a DE and tried to make him into a OLB, I guess it worked but not sold on it

So this year we still need:
O-Line
A Free Saftey
A OLB
A backup RB

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Don't go too far with this you could put a sixth round pick behind shanahans lines and they will run for zillions of yards..that is refering to terell davis who was that 6th rd pick what was NOT mentioned is that davis was coming off a injury before he was drafted and would have been picked much higher, same thing happened with wilbur mongtgomery of the eagles years ago. these players had alot of talent, because shanahan is a "white HC he can by way of magic create a superior o-line and get any low round draft pick negro" running back and make him a top player because of his line is a stupid, bigoted joke.

Posted by: wathu19 | January 14, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Joe Doakes" is a name for an anonymous person, like "John Doe" or "John Q. Citizen."

"Joe Doakes" supposedly is a circus name that originated with P. T. Barnum

Posted by: pjfromva | January 14, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If they can get Okung at 4, they need to take him.

If they can get Suh at 4 (they almost definitely won't)....they could go either way and I would be happy, since Suh is a monster.

They can address G/C further down, with maybe a top G/C in the 2nd. No skill position O players, please.

I have to believe Shanahan knows the O-line needs an overhaul. One good thing about a new guy: he has objectivity regarding current players, and anyone being objective knows that are current starting O-line is almost entirely backup quality, if that.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | January 14, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

1st round - Bradford QB Oklahoma
2nd round - Best RB California

get your playmakers, you can always trade back into the mid-to-late 1st round to get your tackle.

Shanny should use free agency to build his zone blocking o-line


Posted by: coparker5 | January 14, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Not sure on this but if someone can compare Suh and Jay Ratliff height and weight...I can see us plugging Suh in at NT to be the same type of NT as Ratliff,that super quick but strong as a bull type interior lineman, who gets up field penatration and QB pressure...You then have Moneysworth to play the DE in the role of lets say Haloti Ngata or Igor Olshansky that big strong agile run stopper and gap holder/penatrator...All this being said this is if we switch full time to the 3-4, you can get anybody to play the other DE in a 3-4 maybe even someone in house like LoAlexander,Golston or via FA's Marcus Spears,Ray McBean,Dwan Edwards,Johnny Jolly just to name a few of the would be 3-4 DE's set to hit the free agency market...If I was a betting man I would say we are on our way to making the full time to switch to a 3-4 scheme but that could be without London Flecther its been rumored that he's not up to converting to a 3-4 MLB and maybe contacting other teams about the possiblity of a trade...So we have for now 3 out of the 4 LB's needed to for a 3-4 set with Orakpo and Wilson as OLB and Rocky Mac inside LFB???So I sadi that to say this if Suh is taken at the number 4 overall pick look for the 3-4 switch to be made also with the hiring of Lou Spanos as LB coach look for Orakpo and Wilson to create tons of age pressure in the 2010 season!!!

Posted by: robbkels | January 14, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

If the skins go to a 3-4 it won't be for all 60 plays. For one thing, as teams go for spread packages you have 5 DBs a lot of the time. Sometimes 6. And on passing downs when you line up Orakpo with his hand in the dirt, that's a 4-3. And things vary depending on your opponent, etc. Plus everyone wants to mix up their scheme, going from man to zone etc., because you have to keep the O guessing. So they may be planning on mixing things up a bit. Just wonder what you do when the other O is playing hurry up.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 14, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Buges was told he would not be hired. Take it to the bank.

This O-line is bad. Why didn't Redskins scouts identify 5-7 O-linemen 6 years ago at Bugel's insistence?

Buges: You WERE good. You have not been good in the last 6 years.

Posted by: hz9604 | January 14, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

In this league you win with the Fat Boys upfront!

Let's hope Shanny can keep Danny boy from meddling in the draft and maybe trade down from 4th to get two later 1st round picks and pick up a couple of solid linemen.

Its nice to have grown ups in charge of the Redskins again.

RIP Vinny!

Posted by: Rohit_334101 | January 14, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coparker5 |
1st round - Bradford QB Oklahoma
2nd round - Best RB California

get your playmakers, you can always trade back into the mid-to-late 1st round to get your tackle.

I disagree with Bradford. I disagree taking a QB at this early round. Bradford is a system's QB and for that matter he is coming off an injury...hmmm, the OU basketball player (Blake Griffin) is out for the Clippers and he was the first pick. That is a bad omen.

A OT is the best course of action. The Skins cannot have the QB blindsided constantly. Second round maybe a QB or RB, fourth, fifth and seventh should be concentrated on OL and a LB...perhaps somebody to eventually replace Fletcher unless they have HB Blades in mind.

Posted by: impact32 | January 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You're thinking of the other guy, Joe Dokes. Joe Doakes is a beast of a rugby player in New Zealand. Put him in pads, coach him up. Bugel coulda done it. Now let's see what Shanahan can do.
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lol - I was removed from submitting sports recaps to local newspaper for sending in the player's name who had the winning goal in my soccer game as "Joe Derks." My team's arch-rival was salty and Rick over that one! still kills me!!! Buges - too much - I'll miss him and I'm a Giants fan!

Posted by: terptek | January 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I am not pleased to say that Tony Romo has developed into the best QB in the East, and he is entering his prime.The cowboys will probably be the class of the division for sometime.Sad.

Posted by: mark65 | January 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

who is Joe Doakes??

Anyone got a height, weight and 40 time on him??

What does PFT say about this guy, and where are most draft pundits saying he'll be drafted??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2010 10:05 AM

Joe Doakes : 5'4, 172 lbs, ran a personal best 4.99 in the 40. He rushed for over 350 yards last year for the Tonowanda Riverats, but it was only a 10 game season.

Posted by: scoot21 | January 14, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

As an organization the Redskins have neglected to address both the offensive and defensive lines early in the draft for the past 8 to 10 years and the team has suffered for this very fact. I am not a GM, but I am of the opinion that we need to spend or draft pick on Offensive Tackle that will be a corner stone for the organization for years to come. Reviewing the first round QB's none of them are overly impressive to me as top prospects, two of the young men suffered injuries to there throwing shoulders and Jimmy Clausen does not have a strong arm. When the Skins were great there lines were flush full of young prospects. Draft a lineman, o line and d line set the stage to win championships.

Posted by: rjohnson022 | January 15, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

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